/fgoalter/ - Fate/Grand Order NA General

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Are you saving your quartz for her, anons?

WHERE IS THE GRAND FINALS MATCH

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Only 147 days until Christmas!

Summer mama

>>184449384
I was, but then I decided to read her dialogue and saw how mean she was in all of it and decided that it wasn't worth passing up good waifus for her.

>Farming Nerofest is a waste of AP
>Farming for Exp feels like a waste after having gotten too used to 1/2ap dailies.

This is true suffering.

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I love my alien wife!

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>>184449251

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lmao finally something dropped

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>>184449384
Depends how lucky I get with the rolls before her.

>>184449384
When will I able to roll for her again?

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>ten(10) seeds

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Fluffy servant

It's the 20AP that's dropping claws, right?

>>184449579
next month

>>184449536
delet this

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>>184449384
I fell in love with another Avenger

>>184449602
Stop making me hate Altera

>>>184449146
The one with 80 Waver/80 Gil/70 Jets. Anything is fine, seeing different grailed servants to use as supports just sparks my interest more than one or two mainstream memers.

That aside, gonna grail him myself >>184449251 or Scat.

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Who /grailingTaiga/ here?

>>184449384
She is like my waifu in how much I love her, so yes. Now that I spent everything on Altera's NP. I can save for girls who aren't my wife, but definitely close to my heart too.

>>184449473

Kintoki can't get here fast enough.

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>>184449384
saving for superior slut

>>184449635
>next month
Source?

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>>184449412
>Trying to prosper on my lands

Just in case I will never get a Serpent Jewel drop which is very likely, should I just forget about Gil and rather ascend Carmilla or Medea?
Oceanos isn't there yet and considering how abyssmal the chances to get a Jewel are there is like a 0% chance of getting them in that shitty once-a-week daily.

If anyone here played JP, how hard do you need to grind the Honnoji event to get an NP5 Nobunaga when that comes around?

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This can't be happening /alter/bros. How can they do this to us? It was supposed to be our turn. What am I going to do?

>>184449676
>tfw desperately scrabbling in the dirt for exp cards to ascend random things

What's a fluffy servant

>>184449602
Fuck off

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>>184449753
its been almost a week of constant masturbation to scathach, i need help

What do ever are mana prisms fetch you?

>>184449805
You just need the the event CEs to boost your points, as well as hoping your resident whale nabs an okita and use it as support. Since Nobu is initially given to you as temporary, use her as well.

Having Okita/Nobu increases your points

>>184449862
Harada loli already gets to have art like this?

>>184449805
Just play normally and you should get her easy

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>>184449873

>>184449805
Not that hard. Just utilize the right party setup and an Okita with event CE support on the 1AP everyday. Practically everyone that played the event that wasn't a shitter managed to NP5 her. More so with actual grinding involved.

>>184449862
Evil Cat is a slut

>>184449862
Proto Arthur looks like a clown
Karna looks drugged out of his fucking Mind

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What are you doing while waiting for AP refill?

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>>184449938

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>>184449873
Asterios

>>184449873
A walking mass of STDs

>>184449482
She's a dirty Hun, not your alien waifu.

>>184449805
>trusting JPfags after "nerofest has all the mats you need!!!"

>>184449676
This is why I hate the possibilty that the Dango thing might come just after Nerofest.
At least give me a fucking week free time to grind exp cards, materials and do interludes.

>>184450030
Read Sherlock Holmes stories or play DDS

>>184449862
Is that D'eon next to Mordred or am I losing my mind

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>>184449862
>Stheno and loli Medsua get cute dress pictures
>Euryale doesn't get anything
What the fuck? How is that fair?

>>184449765
His ass. probably won't even be this year.

>>184447806
I have an account with two evil cats on it if you want. No five stars though, and I got it back when the game first started and haven't logged into it at all.

>>184450030
Play JP

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>>184450030
thinkin'

>>184449862
Got a bigger picture of Ishtar and Altera?

>>184449862
Asterios is cute. CUTE!

>>184449862
>medusa lily instead of regular medusa

Fucking degenerates need to ruin everything

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>>184450174
That's not Euryale?

>>184449862
Can't believe they actually managed to make Emiya Alter look cool.

>>184450134
Same. As much as I need those rider monuments, I need time to gather exp and work on the story.

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>>184449862
Wait what? That weird thing behind her is real?

>>184449536
I can't stand to check drops while ingame, personally I'd rather a pleasant surprise than double the dissapointment.

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>>184449384
>5* servant

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>>184450030
>redoing my CV

>>184450383
No, just look at the ice cold eyes.

>>184450386
All they had to do was wipe the piss off his face.

>>184450030
Pretending to work, while actually at work. It should refill about the time I get home.

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>>184449919
Getting THIS mad over an alien

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>>184450030
reaching out for another apple

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>>184450398
Have you seen Nito's attacks?

>>184450174
that is euryale you dum dum

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>>184449862
Gonna need a bigger picture of my emperor, lad.

>>184450030
fightcade

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>>184450353
Both are cute and deserve to be better units.

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>>184449384
Yes, every quartz, every card. My entire being.

So, I used 3 quartz on the Nero banner and got fucking Seigfried. H-he has some uses, right?

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>>184449965
>>184450009
>>184450014
>>184450174
>>184450162
>>184450353
>>184450334
>>184450347
>>184450386
>>184450398
NONONOOOO
You are doing this wrong. You aren't suppose to discuss the art. /fgog/ is winning. You are losing.

>>184449938
Tickets and limited event CEs usually.

>>184450812
sumanai

>>184450592
She's a dirty Hun, not an alien.

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This is a bullying free zone! Any form of bullying is prohibited, especially towards Jeanne.

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>>184450127
Nerofest did have all the mats I needed though

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>>184450812
sumanai

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>already my third scale
This is the best luck I've had all Nerofest

>>184449862
>>184450830
damn bros
we got cucked again

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Will I be able to farm the grand finals reliably?

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>>184450030
think about my life choices

>>184450873
>>184450881
wew

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>>184450859
She is both, and my wife.

>>184450812
I'm sorry.

>>184450812
The next couple days are possibly the best Siegfried will ever be, with everyone farming a lancer dragon boss.

>>184449384
No, I want other characters and don't care about her.

>Serpent Jewel
>Chaldea (Fri) Caster 30AP - 22.1 %
I am either too stupid to read this drop rate chart or it is fucking shit and fake. It has maybe a 1% chance or something, maybe a 3% rate at best and I am just unlucky but it's certainly not 22%.

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BUENOS DIAS KIRIA

>>184449384
Why bother saving for Jeanne alter and Merlin when half the serious players are doing the same? It'll be like release where everyone has 10 Wavers and Jeannes on their friend list. Unless you think you need both to do anything.

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>>184449862
>that boudica mama

Wow, Ushi's NP is kinda powerful. I was fooling around with random friendlist servants while grinding gold medals and accidentally stumbled on this nuke.

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>>184450656

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>>184450030
Practicing fighting games and a bit of >>184450964

>>184449862
Jesus Christ, look at the tiddies of Scat.

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>>184449862
>shit dailies.
>no collab events.
>eternally two years behind.
What went wrong?

Quick question, does the NP get the first card bonus? Like, with an Arts NP or something is it better to go NP>B>B or B>NP>B?

Also, which brave chain will do more damage, B>A>Q or Q>A>B? I'm new to the game, still figuring stuff out

>>184451058
How do her honkers look even bigger in a dress

>>184450985
Sure, sure, and king Arthur is male.

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>>184451058

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SHOULD I DO IT

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>>184450334

>>184451231
Now I understand why Romans fucked her and let her be rather than just killing her

>>184451190
Yea, NP gives the first card bonus. So if you use a buster NP, the subsequent attacks do more damage.

>>184451024
You're looking at a JP chart. They get class specific dailies with way better drop rates.

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Fluffy Servant

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>>184450920
>>184450830
But the art is good. At least best boy gets justice in his suit. Dpesn't help that his disinterested look just screams
>my feet hurt
>wish i was at home eating curry
>why is arjuna even here

What makes Jeanne Alter good anyway?

>>184451190
NPs gain no benefits from other cards, but will give their normal effects to others, i.e, starting with a buster np increases the damage of other cards, but starting with a buster will not affect the damage of any type of NP.

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>>184451107
Much appreciated

>>184451190
Someone said a few threads ago that NPs don't get the first card bonus. They seem to grant it to other cards, though. Starting a brave chain with B will do more damage.

>>184451285
You will do it if you are a true royalist.

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>>184451398
THE HIGHEST ATTACK

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>>184451398
Her being Jeanne Alter.

>>184451285
Snek eyes are hard to get

>>184451285
"Yes"

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>>184451058

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>>184451285
That's not a hard question.

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>>184450278
Thanks for offering (twice), the Jannu anon's sent their code and I don't want to take two accounts.

Evil cat is less painful to pull for than Jannu, so hopefully I'll get her one day.

>>184450812
Sumanai, anon...

>>184451368
I already liked Medb before you started posting these.

>>184451393
looks like he did so much drugs before coming to the party and didnt give a shit about it

>>184451087
Gets even better after her quest.

I'm literally drowning in snake jewels. Any questions?

>>184451190
NP doesn't get the first card bonus, but it can give it. I don't know if being in a buster chain will boost a BNP's damage though.

BQA will generally be the most damaging brave chain. Check out Cirno to understand better how card order changes their effects.

>>184450956
Honestly your vlad and saber could really do with some levels.

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should i do it

>>184451480
HAAAAAAAW?

>>184451583
Do you digest sperm?

>>184451693
How Gae are you?

>>184451393
>why is my hair styled down holy shit
bet that's all he thinks about

>>184449862
>No NOBU
Delete this at once.

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>>184451398
Her fun personality.

>>184450030
playing fate/extra on an emulator

>>184451205
Inconsistent art

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>>184451393

>>184449436
Dumb female master

>>184451398
Solid class with +10% damage against all normal classes, good skills, strong single target buster NP, and one of, it not the highest attack in the game. not necessarily the best in all situations because of class advantages, but very consistently strong against all things that aren't BB.

>>184451751
just 1 because thats my first non proto Cu I have

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>>184451480

>>184451673
Buster NP Buster Buster is generally how roachzerkers (

>>184451693
"Yes"

>>184450858
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>>184451541
Yamero. This is the resulting bad luck of having that guts card drop day one, isn't it?

>>184451693
Already did
Do not regret
I'd go for his final if it didn't take feathers away from Waver

>>184451368
Stop making me like Medb.

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interesting

>>184451345
Well damn.
Will we ever get their dailies?
I have almost given up on some materials, I already spent around 800AP for the Jewels today and didn't get a single one and the fight has 6 monster that could drop them.

>>184451231
>>184451480
Fucking disgusting

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>>184452036
intriguing

>>184451693
I did, but I had 11 crystals.

>implying any other Lancer is worth ascending right now

>>184451972
Just pair him with Georgios and make the meme work.

>>184451972
Anon... the guts card isn't good either.

すまない。。。

>>184451972
>resulting bad luck of having that guts card drop day one, isn't it?

That card is poop. I got 4 copies to drop and got a 5th with useless silver medals, so I've limit broken it, and I still won't use it.

>>184452078
>Not ascending Leonidas for the best tank in the game as of now

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>>184452075
Never respond to my Mom again.

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>picked a level 82 Gil as offensive support in a team of two berserkers and wet noodles
>forgot that the dragon was a lancer and so is Romulus
>entire team gets wiped out with that Roman faggot standing with 200 HP left

JUST

>>184452076
lmao wtf

>>184451939
>Buster NP Buster Buster is generally how roachzerkers (
I assume you are saying that a BNPBB Buster Brave chain is pretty much the highest damage chain. I know that, I'm just wondering if the NP by itself gets a damage boost from being in a buster chain.

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>>184452063
Around Okeanos should be the time they implement it. iirc though

Luck shitters purge when?

>>184452158
She looks like a wax figure that melted

>>184452186
It doesn't.

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>>184452076
delet this

>>184452245
k

>>184452158
please suck my peepee again mommy

>>184451231
This looks more like her legs were cut off as opposed to her kneeling

Human boudica onahole when

>>184452153
I ascended Georgios for that

>>184452186
Then no, NP cards doesn't get any bonuses from chains, but can grant first card bonuses. Roachzerkers are Cu Alter and Herc.

Is there a guide to which CEs you should put on which Servants?

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MI~KON~

>>184452410
There is. ____________git gud____________

>>184452410
Kaleido Kaleido Kaleido Imaginary Element Kaleido

>>184452410
If it's not Kaleido, burn it.

>>184452440
Im fucking hungry now

>>184452440
>Only 60

Moriarty and King Hassan make me doubt my decision to roll for waifus. Are these two fuckers any good? Because their art is cool as hell.

>>184451231
Saggy breasts is a thing now?

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So why isn't he in F/GO yet?

Is he not popular?

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>>184452440
Now get her to 80, anon!

>>184452561
Those jewels never drop, bud

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5 HOURS UNTIL THE SHOP RESTOCKS

>>184452681
he is and he is lancer

>>184452619
You should be rolling for husbandos instead.

>>184452503
>>184452508
That's nice but I need to equip something to my other characters.

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>>184449783
Says the code or password is wrong. Can you still get into the account?

>>184450919
FUCK YOU

800 AP

4 golden chests

NO SCALES

>>184452619
Both are decent. Moriarty moreso because his ST NP while having low modifier gives 20% def down, and his NP gain is great for an archer with a high hitcounts all around. King Hassan has great passives, great skills with the best single guts effect in game, but being a buster-based assassin diluted with death specialty hurts his gameplay potential.

>>184452740
>5 hours
Are you fucking retarded

>>184452747
Fuck woops, quick google search showed me before i could cancel the post.

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When are you gonna spend your shop tickets, anons?

I'll roll them in current gatcha for NP2 Nero, more NP Hunni or Kaledo.

Prolly gonna bet BLACKED though.

>>184449708
SSR Saber Taiga when?
SR Zecchan when?

>>184452619
They're worth getting if you like them, but if you need an Archer and and Assassin then get Gil and Jack

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>>184449708
Me. Not sure if I'm going to take her all the way to 100, but I'm definitely giving her a few grails.

>>184453072
As soon as I get them.

ROLLS

ROLLS

AND MORE ROLLS

>>184449384
Yes.
What other characters are mean to (You)? I already have Gil.
Her being actually good is just a plus.

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>>184453072
I cannot afford to waste anything until Jeanne Alter comes out.

>>184452370
>Georgios
>Best tank when he can't even taunt for four consecutive turns or feed your dps stars

>>184453072
I am also going to roll my tickets immediately, still hoping for literally any 4* or above ce.

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>>184453072
Saving for my wife's twin

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>>184453072
Scathach. Not even the chance of getting better CEs will make me spend quartz since there's nothing I really need until the servants I want come out.

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>>184451041
>wanting sloppy seconds Jannu Alter
Disgusting.

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My luckiest drop all Nero fest

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>>184453072
>Tempted to roll a ticket for civilization
>Decide why not because of this post

Thanks priest

>>184453072
I'll try to see if rolls 91-95 will finally net me my emperor.

>Roma in captcha
Is this a sign from the priest?

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>>184449251
The better saltman meme but only because Saber is in it.

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>>184453407
you should try another one, im sure it will be better

>>184453407

Isn't it amazing how so many shit rolls are tied to Kirei and Shinji

>>184453440
priest smiles

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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-07-31/interview-the-staff-of-fate-grand-order/.119365
>wanting to extend the brand instead of looking for profit

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>>184450873

>>184453195
>implying I'm not on a budget run
>implying I won't ascend both eventually

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>Enough materials to full ascend ushi and carmilla
>Not enough monuments

Dango fest when?!

>>184453072
Spend half on dango whenever that is and hoard the rest for KnK event someday

>tfw female master
>all the females servants are lesbians
>all males servants want to date me
Who is dumb now?

>>184453385
nice anon

>>184453553
>posting oda non
That's unfair man, I just fapped twice.

>>184453712
All servants are mastersexual, it doesn't matter what gender you are.

>>184453553
Why is Mashu with 2 garbage servants?

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>>184453553
Oda Non is still making stuff?

>tfw no translations

>>184453072

I just want any saber other than Lily.

>>184449805
So what I'm getting from this is whale for Okita, grab a partner Okita, use free Nobu, and you'll be fine.

>>184453553
>THE GAME IS DEAD
Who's laughing now deadfag?

>>184449862
>Mozart actually looks good

When the fuck is Kirei demi-servant?

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>>184449536
Check this!

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>>184453553
>Fate/Grand Order's Japanese team always wanted to put out an English release, but the primary motive came last year at Anime Expo 2016, when we saw so many Americans cosplaying Fate/Grand Order characters. So we realized that we needed to hurry up and get going on the English release.

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The heck is a support servant? I can't burn it neither use it to level up his noble phantasm

What is the deal?

Where can I check the upcoming events and, more importantly, what they drop?
I'm scared of using my Talons, Scales and Octuplets because I have no idea if there'll be another event that gives some for free anytime soon.

>>184453807
Dumb frogposter.
sukebei

>>184453553
>The basic idea is that we want English-speaking fans to have the same experience that Japanese fans had, so the order of events would try to follow the Japanese versions
not fair bros
literally cuck version

>>184453553
>Iwakami: Fate/Grand Order itself was released as a mobile title, but that platform wasn't what we had in mind when we were developing it. We wanted to have a great general game experience as our first priority.
Then where's my PC version you fucking jews

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Since Nerofest doesn't drop anymore ascension mats that I need, should I just grind for medals for the lore or just go back to grinding regular dailies for XP cards?

>>184453921
Stop posting her. You make me want to roll her.

>>184454045
>Rare, limited material
>OR
>XP cards you can get every day
Really?

>>184454045
Lore, you'll need them eventually

>>184454008
all the hype events, twitter memes, and artist attention is from jp though

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>>184454107
Roll for her.

>>184454107
Every time we roll Altera we get one step closer to end gacha hell

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>>184453929
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/quest_event.php#nav

>>184454228
I can't afford to waste my 150 quartz.

>>184454107
Answer me please

>>184453897
based burger cosplayers

>For Fate/Grand Order, there are plenty of fans in Japan who would love to spend plenty of money to win the characters that they want, but the game itself is clearable without spending any money. So it's something that you can still enjoy for free.
W-Whales btfo???

>>184453921
Are you trying to burn other people's servants you dumb attilafag?

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Are we getting Orion event right after Nerofest or do you guys think they'll take a week off?

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>>184454352
Nani?

>>184449753
>slut
>had to use 2 command spells just to have a go at her melons

>>184454517
They need to give us at least a week to finalize our leveling the servants we just ascended. That is if people didn't clear out the shop yet

>>184453921
It's encouraging engagement with friends. If you think it doesn't work, just look at the occasional posts in these threads thanking specific players by name.

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>>184454228
I would if I rolled her without wasting more than 60.

>>184454045
Lore is the rarest thing in this game after Grails. Both are a finite amount.

>>184453553
>Kawasumi: I think that my grand premise is that there is one Saber, which always refers back to Saber from Fate/stay night. You can add different elements to that, such as the Saber who discovers the joy of good food, or the Alter Saber who discovers junk food, but they all go back to the original Arturia Pendragon.
>Alter Saber who discovers junk food
>burgerland release
BURGER SEIBA CONFIRMED

burn mashu

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when?

>>184454781
new year

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>>184454723
>Wife is free
>It'll take ages and something else for CCC event
I know it has Beasts and all that so I hope it happens.

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If I begin playing with Extella over Extra and CCC, how confused will I be or is Extella self-contained?

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>>184454521
>>184454502
>>184454107
This is strange

>>184450030

[Spoiler]Working while I wish I was at home building plamo and practicing fightan gaems.[/spoiler]

>>184454868
You put him in your support list, you imbecile

>>184454868
Is he in your line up somewhere, dumbo?

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>>184454781
Going to grail him to 100, around New year/ America.

>>184454868
dumb alterafag

>>184454781
3rd of January, I'm not spending anything until then

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I CAN'T DECIDE BETWEEN THEM.

>>184455004
Pick the one with the thicker pubic hair

>>184455004
You won't get either.

Fucking hell I've been farming hands all day and I barely got enough cards to level up Saber from 80 to 85

>>184454731
>>184454045
you only need like 33 for every 1 class in support that's if all 3 of their skills are good enough to be maxed to 10. There are 80 total in jp right now

>>184454868
hello braindamage

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>no announcement will be fun because we get everything like 2 years later
WEW
E
W

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>>184454838
Extella is a direct sequel to Extra, so go play that first.

>>184454945
Do you mean If I put a servant on the support team I can' use it or burn it?

>>184454984
Holy fuck the guy who did Karna's art in FGO does him justice, moreso than A-1 or even the LN illustrations.

>>184455004
Neither, dumb bitches don't know how to wear a sweater right

>>184455196
Then what is CCC?

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What do you think of this comic?

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>>184455136
I'm not that dumb. How rude!

>>184455105
Just farm more bro.

>>184455204
You can use him in your main party too, but to burn him you gotta take him out first

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>>184455256
>tfw EOP and will never get to play CCC

>>184455195
>2 years behind with no surprises

eng fgo truly is anti-hype and just a cash grab

>>184455262
sensiblechuckle.gif

>>184453881
Wait the Jewels are silver chest objects? That makes their drop rate even more ridiculous.

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>>184455262
It's cute

unlike Nero

>>184455256
Also a direct sequel. Extella is based on a different route than the ones you can actually play in Extra, though. People are thinking the anime is going to show that route.

>>184455262
Nero is for being here for her smile!

>>184455386
The TL project is not dead.
It just takes a shtiload of time because the text system is shit

Ask again in a year.

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>>184455196
>tfw Drake was pretty cool but her rateup is after Tamamo

>>184453072
I want the onis
so I'll save dozens of them
and the most fun part is: I'll probably wont get them!

>>184455262
Altria*

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>>184455262
Umu.

>>184455439
On the other hand we will be aware of all bait gachas, long-term planning with the knowledge about tough fights and which servants will be buffed.

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What am I supposed to do until she comes out? How to fill the void?

>>184455195
>>184455439
Fuck off to /fgog/ then

>>184455528
Arutoria*

>>184455678
By killing yourself.

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>>184455262
>left to right

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>>184455678
You knew what you signed up for.

>>184454812
>>184454984
>>184455000
NOT SOON ENOUGH

So what do you guys play on the side while you wait for AP?
I played PTCGO before this gatcha hell. With Burning Shadows coming up I'll be back on there.

>>184455834
Think of it this way - the further away he is, the more rolls you can prepare and increase your chances of getting the best boy.

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Who /bigboy/ here?

>>184455439
I'd rather know what is coming and be able to plan ahead desu

I mean, what even is the alternative? It's not like they can just release all past JP events at once to catch NA up...

>>184455835
I masturbate to unhealthy amounts about impregnating Liz or Jeanne Alter. I listen to music too.

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>>184455684
Not them, but genuinely wondering: How bleak is the situation for us?

With that 2 year gap and constant paranoia, I honestly am hoping for some good news.

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>>184455835
Rance 6
It's pretty fun so far

>>184455096
>pubic hair
>no armpit hair
fag

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>>184455814
No, my first thought was blowing my load on Scat.

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>>184452681
Peak Li Shuwen never?

>>184455835
I play games. Girls Frontline, Fire Emblem Heroes, Smash Melee, Bloodborne, Splatoon 2, BOTW and so on

HOLY SHIT BB AND BOTW ARE BOTH BURIED UNDER SO MANY FUCKING TECHNICAL ISSUES FUCKING CONSOLES

>>184455984
Paranoia? About what? Like the servers dying? Yeah I worry too about that.

>>184455835
Replaying Skyrim and a new multiplayer game called Foxhole.

>>184456084

Why not both?

>>184455835
Splatoon

I have enough mats to fully ascend Hans (he's level 25 atm). Should I bother or should I just keep using support Wavers?

>>184455835
I play a fender stratocaster standard. I don't like most mobile games and most steam games I like I already beat or I've played them so much they're boring

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>>184455503
I plan on using my one free monthly roll to get Tamamo and then I'll get Drake with my next one. It shouldn't be too difficult.

>>184456180
You should be ascending REGEND

Can I have the JP and NA version of the game on my phone?

>>184456123
We have a steady stream of posts arguing about Western impression to gacha and constant monitoring of the app's revenue too

>>184456345
Yes

>>184456359
All jokes aside, is there actually a chance that the servers will be shut down?

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Servant Ayako when lads?

>>184456102
Those images are always so hot.

>>184456428
If it stops making money, of course.

>>184455946
release all the chapters and remove chapter rate up banners
remove download milestone banners because they're never going to compete
remove random japanese holiday banners
remove random jp fate event banners because pretending a fate game released two years later is dumb

eng should catch up to jp within a year

>>184456428
probably next xmas

>>184456180
You can use both, or you can get a dps/tank support instead and use Hans instead of Waver, etc.
I have fully ascended smug shota caster and it gives me some more choice when building teams for battles instead of just "2 damage servants + Waver support"

>>184455460
No, they're gold chests.

>>184456469
>Ayako
Just get Ryougi, they look similar enough.