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Dreadshift is #1

Dragon players, are you taking out Grimnir? I want those luscious vials, but don't want to regret the decision. I don't need his enhance anymore, another board clear for 10 mana is just bad. I know he has value as a 2/3 ward for 3 pp, but I feel like these days a 2/3 ward just gets rolled over by stuff like BKB and Neutral.

>a 2 drop that trades into 3-drops is still not enough for haven players
>a 2 drop that trades into 3-drops and gives +0/2 and ward to dogs is still not enough for haven players
>a 2 drop that trades into 3-drops, gives +0/2 and ward to dogs, and double trades with x/1s is STILL not enough for haven players

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Runebros you ready to Dshift hags and Banish shadow lolis?

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This is Luna's meta dayo!

Why the fuck did they nerf snow white? Literally just a legendary fighter now. Only good thing is 3500 vials back.

How do you play a card game against a wolf? Why is luna so shit

>>184432573
>but don't want to regret the decision
It's physically impossible to regret the decision, crafting him costs the same as vialing him so there's literally zero risk to vial him now and then craft him later if you decide you want to run him again.

>>184432593
This is dumb. We were talking about the nerf. Of course Snow White was a good card before. Maybe even too good. But she's a card that becomes pointless if you change her stat values. Who wants to spend their turn 2 playing a 1/2 that becomes a 2/2? It's negative tempo. If you want a slow, negative tempo gameplan as Haven, there's plenty of cards for that.

>>184432479
I just threw in 2 hungering hordes and 3 razor claws.
I deleted the old deck so I don't really know what I had there before.

>>184432616
>muh Grimnir doesn't stop all attack and take two followers down with him anymore

>>184432705
Yeah, and shadow plays lurching corpse and a 3pp 1/1. Cry most, hagfag, even though I don't think snow white needs the nerf.

Reminder.
Show White was balanced.
Teatime is balanced.
All Haven cards are balanced
Shadowlog data is false data
Cygames date is false data
Aegis has 30% winrate. This is real data
Storm has 30% winrate. This is real data
Haven has 4% playrate.
Everyone who disagree is shadownigger

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>basics everyone is guaranteed to have saturate the prebuilts
the fuck is this kike shit

>>184432690
Well, eventually that vial period will run out.

>>184432705
>Negative tempo
Who would want to play an amulet on turn 2 that becomes a 4/4 and a 2/1? It's negative tempo

Need a concede, 48732.

>>184432705
>playing a 2 drop that is sticky, has free ping, activates dogs, and can trade into any 3 drop is negative tempo for hagfags

>>184432774
>2PP Destroy almost any single follower
Nerf corpse now

>>184432821
Thanks Magisa.

>>184432705
It's not negative tempo to deny almost any 3-drop right before the turn they play it

That is literally the opposite of negative tempo

>>184432838
Yes? It fucking dies instead of surviving.

>>184432840
>cannot trade into non-ward
>need an activator
She's balanced.

>>184432785
The full vial refund from vialing him will run out, but he'll always cost the same to craft, so if you vial him now you can craft him whenever you want and there's still no risk to it since you'll have spent the exact same 2400 vials you got from throwing him away.

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Birdcraft is best craft.
I really need to get Garuda.

>>184432817
That's actually one of the weaknesses of amulets originally, and has been forever. It's slightly slower than aggro, which means it can get blown out by really strong early decks. It's changed somewhat now because Teatime is just so crazy strong, but that was how amulets were balanced from the start.
You meant it as sarcasm, but yes, this is totally correct. Creature amulets ARE negative tempo that become positive tempo if you survive.

>>184432924
Yeah, but if I vial my Grimnirs, I'll have to recraft them later, at full price.

>>184432897
>help my 2pp cannot survive against a 3pp
Hagfags are all the same. Senile and self-emtitled.

>Animated Spawn
I don't want to kill you but, sorry

wait what the fuck why is the game installed on my SSD now?

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>mfw I almost got memed
wew lad

>>184432994
But you got their full price in vials when you vialed them, so you don't actually lose any vials if you craft them again

>>184433008
>same vial count
For what purpose?

Post Nep decklist

>>184432907
Remind you, we're looking at cards in a vacuum and in the best possible conditions. It can literally l i t t e r a l l y kill a zeus FOR FREE. Not to mention soulsquasher doing the same for also nearly every card. How is this allowed?

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>>184432454
>Cleared previous dragon campaign with Pendant
>Grimnir nerf sinks in
I'M SO SORRY OLD FRIEND... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yYJ6ZAYns
F

>>184433056
I won't have them if I vial them though, so getting full refund now isn't worth anything if I have to craft them later, at full price. Liquifying a Grimnir should give vials and a 2nd Grimnir to replace the one you vialled, later.

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>>184432897
>unless my two drop can survive killing their 3 drop, it sucks and is negative tempo!

Why aren't you watching Satan cat desperately climbing towards GM before the points reset?

why are people mad that a legendary card is better than bronze / silver followers? why aren't people mad that other legendaries are far better than other followers at around the same cost?

>>184433145
Just neutral. bro

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>>184433108

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>Isabelle has a special taunt emote against Rowen on the story mode
Why can't we have them on PvP too?

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>>184433194
Thanks for reminding me bro.

>>184433008
>Throwing away a 8% of 1.5% of 1.35%
What? You'll get 3500 vials in a fair bit of arena runs. You ain't gettin that animated lego back.

>>184433196
Because Fairy Dragon and corpselord exist, hagfag. What? Never had bad legendaries before?

>>184432779
>4%
That's Forest playrate.
Haven deck with Aegis is 7.6%, not counting Storm variant which doesnt run Aegis at all.

>>184433172
You should check previous threads
>"2PP legendary supposed to be BROKEN because of 3500 vials"
>"some gold cards are broken! Why 2PP legendary can't be broken?"
Pure gold

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>>184433278
>haven
>not having bad legendaries
Sometimes you can get so blinded by your hate that you become just as delusional as the people you're shitting on

>>184433278
What is your argument here? Good legendaries shouldn't exist because there are also shit legendaries?

>hagfag
Nice assumption you made there.

>>184433252
But animated lego is just animated lego? That's all. No any bonuses

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Nice Ouroboros there dragonfriend.
>tfw on a 6 winstreak with dreadshift

>>184433389
>>184433393
Hey, you assholes are butthurt about a 2pp that can trade into most 3pp. Cry me a river.

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I can only buy 5/7 of the prebuilts, which 2 are the worst of the bunch?

>>184433473
>general shitpost

>>184433278
>what is jeanne, skullfane, and eidolon

>>184433486
Thorned anomaly is only good for elf queen which you only need 1x of anyway.

>>184433008
I have an animated Spawn and an animated Ouroborus. I'm not vialing them, and you shouldn't too, unless you REALLY need those vials.

>>184433486
Forest and Rune.

>>184433506
Yup, butthurt/10

Quick, I need a ramp deck to deal with aggro

>>184432462
You literally cannot
If Seraph costed 1pp, they would say that it was balanced

>>184433194
>this late to climb
Is he just waiting for the meta to be ant eater free?

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>>184433508
>Fite me
>Was so powerful they had to mutilate him. The first of the legos to be nerfed
>Was absolutely savage within the power curve of the cards when he was being designed and is only bad because the dev team went full retard

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>>184433473
>implying I'm butthurt about it
I didn't think Snow was worth it in my Haven decks to begin with, don't take your obvious asspain out on me just because you forgot Haven has some pretty shit legendaries.

>>184433389
>Using a card that got nerfed as proof of bad legendaries
???

>dshitter emoting after top decking lethal
Can we just put them all in concentration camps already?

>>184433786
>nerfed
stop this meme

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>>184433696

Standard:

>Angelic Noble
>6 mana 6/6 with huge drawback

WD:

>Carabosse
>6 mana 6/6 with hugely powerful effect

Powercreeeeeeeeeeep

>>184433829
>implying it's not
Post Jannu instead

game ai isnt update their tier list
where the hell should i netdeck then ?

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Are you having fun?

>>184433829
What would you call increasing his pp cost then?

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>scarlet sabreur

the only people who would be seriously complaining about snow white are neutral aggro shitters that get stopped in their tracks by the card.

Reminder that Snow White was literally balanced and only Shadowniggers and Dragoncucks think that a 2-for-1 lego was broken

>up against shadow
>completely winning board
>they play eachtar into eachtar
>lose
yeah, this card is totally fair cygames

>>184433928
Fits perfectly in aggro blood.

Uhhh...Guys I just started up Shadowverse on Steam after downloading the update. Why does it want me to download the whole game again?

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>prebuilt legos have different voice acting
ayo hol up

>>184433918
I would call it a beta test
since the beta is for testing things
and you weren't even playing this game

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Maybe it's because it was against AI, but Tempo Dragon is fun.

>>184433994
You see, you were winning the board, which means you were losing it all along.

>>184433929
>huuuuur why won't anyone let me "chemo" in peace

>>184433134
NOOOOOOOOOOOO DELET THIS ALL OF SHADOWS CARDS ARE BALANCED REMOVE HAVENCRAFT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

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why do rune players always have to be such disconnect faggots?

>>184434003
Cygames changed the place files are stored on your computer. Also you don't download most of the files from valve's servers anymore, but cygames's.

>tfw first grimnir play with no burn
>Even pendant boosting its attack doesn't help
Ow.... It's 10pp help your opponent win and all cause people ran low curves and little to no healing. Whew lad

>>184433000
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HIS LEGO WENT 2 FOR 1 PRESSING THE EVOLVE BUTTON IS SO HAAAAAAAAAARD CYGAMES PLZ NERF don't nerf eachtar tho plz

>>184434064
i think you might have brain damage
seek immediate medical attention

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>>184434003
Forgot pic related. I was playing it just fine before the maintenance.

>>184434064
>>184434129
Take your meds please

>You need an activator for snow white
So
They play nothing that you can activate it off of. Which means they made a rather low tempo play, and the hag player considers this not in their favor?
If they play a 1pp/2pp/3pp that you can't trade in to die you're doin' pretty well.

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Roost is back, bois.

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>>184433224
I hope you not fucking with me and this deck worth it.
But what about Satan Cat Nep deck?

>>184433303
legendaries are supposed to have strong effects, and all snow white did was go 2 for 1 as a stat stick
>its okay that grimnir consistently goes 2 for 1 though

>>184434014
>Nerfs don't count if they were during a beta
It amazes me how far disconnected from reality Haven players are.

>>184434028
It's solely cause the AI, especially count haven, lets you do it

>>184434123
>Clears the board and puts a ward up between you and storm followers
>Some classes have no healing
>They should be punished by a neutral card for not having any healing.

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>legos should be broken
>why can't I have overvalued cards in every single pp slot
No one can be this delusional, right?

what are the chances that they nerf jabberwock or tsubaki next month?

>>184432616
Reddit complained, Cygames complied.

>>184434236
kek

>>184434107
Ah, so everyone went through it too? Whew, I thought it was related to using SaveDataDeleter.

>Cygames changed the place files are stored on your computer.
Is that even allowed? How can a Steam game be allowed to have the game files outside of the Steam folder?

>>184434107
>Also you don't download most of the files from valve's servers anymore, but cygames's.
FUCK. No wonder it's taking so long. What the fuck made them think this was better than uploading the files to Steam?

>>184434267
>I don't know what a beta is
wew lad

>>184434302
Le chemocraft. Did you expect a fair fight?

>>184434107
>Also you don't download most of the files from valve's servers anymore, but cygames's.
I dreamed about 100kb/s. Thanks cygames

>>184434250
>Completely stopping your opponent's early game in a class based around getting to lategame is balanced
Oy gevalt

>>184433278
>redditphane
>jannu
>eidolon
haven has lots of outright bad legendaries, arguably more than other classes

>>184434281
Sheeeit, what if, what if we gave them healing like Aerin???
What if they ran curve or were given multiwarders like jungle protector which shit all over cucknir?
What if they had clear and burn like dragoon?

Please tell me it's only 2 completely autistic people sperging out and not quoting each other because they have some advanced form of autism where even acknowledging that they are talking to each other means losing the argument.

So is this game finally worth uninstalling yet?

All this snow white talk about going two-for-one almost made me forget a certain extremely balanced turn 7 drop that can go five-for-one. thats right, it's Alexander boosted by gawain!

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>>184434380
>more than other classes
>what is forest

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Concede pleaase
66781

>>184434357
Yeah, I'm replying to one right now.

>>184434427
Oh yeah, how about 15 for 1?
Alexander boosted by Athena

>>184433994
JUST
PLAY AROUND IT BRO
HAHA
WORKING
AS
INTENDED
*nerfs haven cards*

>my conspiracy theory that Rowen murdered his family was right all along
not like someone cares but eh

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POST YFW when Neutral Witch is still shit

>>184434449
Thanks Magisa !

>>184434409
What if you just don't print broken cards and make them neutral?

>>184434504
>>184434427
>Alexander was so broken they had to nerf his attack limit to 14

>put Usher of Styx in my Nep deck
>play with 4 mordecais or add a clutch Nep to your hand
I love her. I even have her animated, so i get an animated card in return every time.

>>184434539
He didn't though?
Otherwise he would've remembered it by now.

>>184434371
better nerf spiderweb imp

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>>184434565
Don't sweat it.

>>184434517
Please take your meds, you're embarrassing yourself

>>184434427
Don't forget dread queen with edgehog on the board and a morde to beat on

>>184434351
The game files are all in your AppData\LocalLow folder of your main drive now, by the way, if you want to mod your client.

why is it impossible to have a discussion about a card in these threads without someone immediately deflecting to something else
and no one try to take the high road here, everyone from every fucking class does it

30843
Onegai

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>>184434635
Got this out of the pack

>>184434637
>shadownigger has no argument
what a surprise

>>184434427
>>184434504
wtf i hate swordcraft now?
>>184434591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez4Y5XiZZtQ
They knew what was going to come in the future

>>184434597
She seems like an obvious pick for Nep because late game you're shitting shadows out of your ass. The biggest problem is still RNG though, that can't be mitigated if you're using a proper Nep deck.

>>184434693
People wanting to be the underdog and deluding themselves into thinking they win with their skill and not by abusing broken shit

>>184434693
>svg
>decent discussion
not now
not ever

>>184430612
Please give decklist for thicc vengeance

>>184434662
What the fuck is this?
They literally installed game on different disc without permission.

>>184434693
just play the game you silly billy
come here to laugh at people arguing, maybe take a side if you feel like it
its all in good fun anyway

>>184434703
Thanks!

>>184434825
I'm pretty sure they put it on their website saying there would be changes to how the game is installed.

>>184434761
There is no real RNG, it's always either Nep or Morde, since they are the only 8pp followers you run, and getting Nep means you are pulling Morde from your deck most of the times.

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big bonkers > flat chest

>>184434693
there was literally nothing wrong with snow white, literally all it did was go 2 for 1 (as a lego) and activate dog, which would be done on the turn before your opponent just evolves and kills your board anyway
>complains about cards going 2 for 1
>plays levi/bkb/soulsquasher

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Do you think he got a bit miffed?

>>184432573
They should lower his enhance cost, honestly. There's no good reason for it to be 10 anymore.

>>184434573
It's not broken at all. It has many mediocre effects for a whopping 10pp. Something you'd grasp if you had even a rudimentary understanding of the card pool.

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>>184434249
It's what I use in __Masters__ so yeah I'd say it's worth it. You can save some vials by using pic related over Urd if ya want though, I personally like Urd a lot more but the deck will still work without her.

>>184434890
>50/50 chance is not RNG
But that's exactly it. You want Nep because you can pull Kamura too, but if you've already played your first Nep, even that is not a guarantee anymore.

>>184434887
>>184434825
You also have to manually delete the Cygames folder in AppData\LocalLow when you uninstall the game. If you uninstall from Steam it will just delete the steamcommons files to launch it.

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Reminder that Bapho died for nothing and Cygames can't balance for shit.

Seers Globe on Nep or Balanced Headless Man?

>>184434984
>clear your opponents board and burn them for 20% of their max hp
>while leaving behind a ward to block your opponent's storm followers
>literally the best topdeck in the game
>while also having an overstatted body for a 3pp ward
>neutral so there's literally zero reason to not run him in every single deck no matter the class, pushing out class 3-drops
I can't believe that people are actually defending grimnir, this place really is full of contrarians

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>>184434794
Losing all the combos the baph reduction enabled hurt. I hope cygames goes bankrupt so hard.

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he played baphomet on 5
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>184435084
Nep. Big tits always anon.

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>>184435084
Balanced man. He won't get nerfed, trust me.

so what does a ramp deck look like now

>>184435078
That's story mode isn't it?

>>184435256
The same as ToG. Don't add trash like Dragon Summoner/Wrym God if you want to win.

>>184434887
They didn't say you have to install it on your C:\ drive now.
What the fuck, my partition doesn't have enough space if it gets any bigger.

Also, this is a HUGE security risk by installing the game in our OS drive now. I made my OS it's own separate partition for a reason! WHAT THE FUCK CYGAMES

>>184435176
Is Galretto actually worth running?

Satancat needs your energy.

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HEAR THE DRAGON'S ROAR!

>>184434758
>Berserker Soul Sword
>Exodia JO Dragon
More Yugioh meme decks when?

>>184435176
>Baph better than literally every other tutor for 2pp
And this was okay why?

Need a private match win famalas.

48491

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>>184434894
>that artist
Good fuckin' taste, anon

Should I make a Nep deck or an Oz deck? I have 8k vials because I don't want to nerf my SWs or Spawns yet (and I think that Spawn is still really good)

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>>184435365
>play dragon
>face nep
>play haven
>face dshift
Poor guy, that last 1k will cost him an arm and a leg.

>>184435365
Is he streaming?

>>184435356
No. At this point you should already understand that this anon is completely retarded and all every his deck is a complete mess.

>>184435464
Because slow Blood decks needed more support than D-shift and Sword.

>>184435531
check live.shadowlog.com

Anyone have a list for Corpselord of Woe + Siren's tiers?

>>184435515
I think Spawn is fair now but you might as well vial them for now and recraft them later if you need them, since it's not like you lose anything by liquefying them.

I'm new to this game. If I want to craft haven should I go for garuda or not?

>>184435114
God forbid you run anything with healing or play curve followers that have more than a whopping 4 defense

Of course stormniggers have a problem with anything interrupting their unceasing face bumping. God forbid you need to use a little removal

Hardly the case at all and a highly contextual spot regardless

He's exactly on stat for a 3pp ward

Since you're a retarded shitposter, take a refresher on all those amazing class 3pp 2/3 wards that they totally have a choice to take, their board clear, and their burn. It's almost like where they actually did have them, they would run the better class card or grimnir would be taken specifically for its flexibility to deal with deck limit and hand advantage despite its weaker 10pp play

>>184435671
He's good, but not used in every deck.

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>>184434894

>not appreciating DFC

>>184435591
Ah, so you get to have a 2/1 follower that fishes for something rather specific because your deck needs more support. And on top of that he gets an enhance effect.

though honestly he should have been nerfed to 1/1 with enhanced remove, original tutor intact.

>>184435671
As in the card? If you want to go storm, sure.
As in the leader? No.

>>184435671
Tribunal is the most central Haven card, it's played in every single Haven deck. Themis is core in defensive decks but not offensive ones.

so what do burn dirt lists look like nowadays? i haven't played since the start of WoD

>>184435662
Play a normal midrange list with woe tossed in, it's way better and can actually win games

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>all these Hags and Dragons on ladder
I hope you enjoy eating Flame Destroyer dick.

>>184435245
>finisher
>takes a non-threatening board of measly 1/1s and 2/2s and doubles/triples/quadruples the damage
>also shits out zombies
>gives them rush too so it's effective even if all evo points were wasted earlier going face
>all on T7

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>people went back to playing dragon
>all the aggro and neutral cancer seems gone for now
Thank you.

>>184435719
>implying aggro metas like this one will have anything with more than 4 defense on the field after their wincon has already traded into something
>complains about mindlessly hitting face but defends grimnir
>literally name a better topdeck, protip: bahamut and eachtar don't hit face
>firstborn dragon

>>184435752
I have about 8k vials so I dont think I can craft seraph/aegis yet.

>>184435821
I already have 3x tribunal but only 1 themis

>>184435798
Storm seems affordable for my rank.

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Explain this, hags. I thought you guys hated shadowniggers

>>184435762
His enhance was the whole point of the card. There's nothing unbalanced and wrong with a fucking 5pp 2/1, especially in Shadowverse.

>>184435356
I liked him before. He's occasionally get a large body/ward to live cause they couldn't just DoD bro. Especially since he sat right in the baph mana cheat. Gonna have to see if I can keep running him in this meme deck

>>184435464
It was a tempo loss that struggled against defensively statted bodies and was 1:1 mana ramp that enabled a wider pool of decks for variety that until spawn and its ambush could be dealt with. It'd have been trivial to reduce spawn's attack instead of unfucking the rampant lack of options let alone viable options that hit ambushed followers and leave baph and everything else that used it alone but just like roach they went after the wrong card twice.

Can someone post their dreadshift? I want to meme.

>>184435892
>>184435719
Also
>reddit spacing
figures that people who defend grimnir are literal redditors

>>184435912
eris is luna's mom

Did Cygames changed the VA of Isabelle for the ENG dub?

>>184435719
>Exactly on stat for 3pp ward
the only other 2/3 pp ward on turn 3 in the entire fuckin game when he was introduced was a forest legendary

>>184435671
Garuda is very good. And you rank up consistently with Storm

>Grimnir apologist in this thread
Jesus Christ.

>>184435923
Bapho would be a problem again once they inevitably released another broken blood lego, the enhance at least had to go

>>184435908
A single aegis can go a long way. But if you feel like it's a bit excessive, know that before Test of Strength got "nerfed" Aegis had 55%+ winrates in B and C and such, lowering as the rank goes up. Make of that as you will, Garuda is strong still, especially when combined with Tea Time.

>>184435923
>Huge tempo loss
That didn't matter to the current iteration of blood thanks to early high tempo plays like bkb and tove.

Baph is a design limiter and if not now, he'd be bonked later.

Enhance had to go, but they could have kept his tutor effect itself and nerfed him to a 1/1 to be more in line with maid.

>>184435858
Look man I didn't come here for logic, I came here for memes.

>>184435472
Thanks!

I heard that Cygames has been reading up on Reddit for nerf advice. This true?

>>184436042
That makes no sense. If they release a broken lego then just fix the broken lego and leave Bapho alone.

>>184436164
Yes and reddit has been reading /svg/ for nerf advice.

Seriously, what the fuck do I play to do Forest dailies?

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>>184435930
Winter's Caprice can be swapped out now since Spawn is dead.
There's another version with Illusionist + Teena and one which is Wallet Rune using Dread Queen, if you want I can share them.

>>184436247
You play the reroll mission button.

>>184436247
Roach, neutral roach, neutral.

>>184436164
Are you really retarded? Cygames is japanese company from Japan.

>>184435892
And that's entirely fine. That's a deckbuilding choice you made which will have consequences against control choices

It's weakened by any play that has more than 4 def, heals, runs low cost removal to tear past him. This is fine

It depends entirely on the matchup and game state. One play, a genesis will lethal, another grimnir will clear the board and let you keep stalling to try for hand advantage and chip from storm/burn depending on your deck

Doesn't have ward on curve you fucking shitposting twat

>>184435938
It's almost like you put a break between paragraphs. I'm not greentexting so it's not clustered.

Is this the time of day, I dare say?
>yfw Control Blood is tier1

>>184436247
Roach
Wolfbolt
Highroll with tempo elf

Same faggot probably defend pre nerf LB and Zell

>>184436104
>Baph is a design limiter and if not now, he'd be bonked later.
It's the complete opposite, he allowed the birth and viability of decks that only he, could. By nerfing him they nerfed the whole class. The most ironic part is that Neutral Blood is what complied them to do this (while leaving actual cancer like Alice alone).

FUR MAH FRANS, WHATEVER IT TAYKES

>>184436087
1-of legend in a deck seems inconsistent for me.

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>>184436276
I'm gonna try a mix of the original gamepress one and yours, since the gamepress one is a lot cheaper for me. Are the sahaquiels necessary?
Granted, I'll try it out soon enough, I only have a single copy each of saha, luci, and israfil. I have enough vials for more, should I see the need. Mostly planning on going two copies of dread.

I wouldn't mind seeing the deck, but I wouldn't want to spend too much either. Thank you, kind anon.

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Don't even know what to craft family

How is tove useful now?

>>184436391
>d-shift and haven back to be 1:9 match-ups again thanks to bapho nerf
Nah.

>>184436334
obviously they have a western division
dumbass lol

>>184436391
>can't beat aegis, ouroboros or morde
Nah.

>>184436495
Both of those were wildly out of control

>>184436104
Cool, and while later is some day in the distant future, which was easily worked around thanks to his condition, he's killed moon snakes, azael otk, meme peddler, and many meme decks of people trying to make stuff work

>>184436603
30 vials

>>184436603
shit useful

>>184436523
No, baph is a design limiter, and spawn is the perfect example. If they thought about it hard enough they'd never print spawn while baph was able to fish him out for play on turn 6

That's why he was nerfed because they realized that this problem would keep coming up even if they butchered spawn.

>>184436527

YER FINE NOW

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>>184436379
>u-uh it's fine now because i say so, never mind that doing nothing but dropping single big bodies is just begging to be removed and a second grimnir will just kill those anyway
>implying most heals themselves aren't tempo losses unless you're playing elana, go ahead and play two fervors and see how that works out for you
>literally has no better topdeck because no other card can do all of the things that grimnir gets to do
>doesn't understand that a 2/3 only having conditional ward and not on curve is exactly what i'm talking about
>more

>reddit

>spacing

>>184436523
If Snek had been Spawn levels of power he would have gotten hit last set. Tutors are incredibly strong in a game where there's no counterspells or hand disruption.

>>184436584
dread
shift

>Satan cat went from 9000 points to 8700 in more than 12 hours
kek

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>>184436164
Yes.

>>184436523
Just like Roach did, oh wait no because Roach had so much potential to make cards completely busted Forest has gotten nothing but complete garbage since DE

What is the best deck to grind master points after the nerf? PLS someone tell me I am a filthy netdecker and I don't know what to play and I am only 500 poinst away from GM.

>>184436746
time to write a thesis on Teatime I guess

>people defending baphomet
>people defending snow white
>people defending fucking grimnir
were you guys dropped on the head as children

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Which deck do I take online first?

>>184436638
>western division
What? Are you underage? Their office in Japan.

>>184436818
There was literally nothing wrong with Snow White
>waaaaaaa it went 2 for 1 waaaaaaaa
>*plays levi*

I've waited the nerf before liquifying anything from WD. Now it's time, but what to keep in case of future nerfs?
BKB? What else?

>>184436780
Should have gotten these points with neutral blood, now you'll never make it.

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>>184436247
This is what I've been using

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Time for vials

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>>184436576
Saha package is pretty important but I think you can manage it by putting in Taboo Profs. and maybe some other cheaper followers.
It's an expensive meme but if you really want to craft them, at least they can also be used for ramp dragon.
twitch tv/hwh610 , this chink plays a lot of it on stream

>>184436645
>later is some day in the distance future
They realized the problem when they printed spawn and decided to nip it in the bud.
"This card that was meant to come out at this turn ends game very easily when it comes on on this turn"
"Wow you're right"
"This could continue to be a problem if baph continues to exist as he is limiting design"

>>184436818
You should know by now this is /classwars/. Every card is perfectly balanced or even weak if it's in a class you like. Every card not in a class you like is bullshit, nerf now.

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How do you like this Luna?

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>>184434249
>>184435006
I lose 5 times in row bricked in every game.

>>184436667
Or they could design all incoming Blood cards with Bapho in mind, like any competent company would do. The most frightening part is that was what they actually did, Spawn's design was already done when they released Bapho. I really fear for the future of this game when i see how dumb the devs in charge of balance are.

>>184436879
>doesn't require evolution and can do it on Turn 2
>requires evolution and has to be played on Turn 4
thinkinggg

Cygames fixed the meta. I'm seeing every class except Forest and none of them feel opressive like Midshadow during ToG or Nblood. Wish they realized it sooner that you need to nerf more than 1-2 cards including problematic legendaries to fix shit.

>>184436907
I couldn't play during the weekend because I had an exam today, now I am finally free and I can't play my net deck anymore.

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>>184436584
Same

>>184437056
>blood legos can no longer have more than 4 attack
this is what we call "limiting design space"

>>184437113
That's because today is the first day after update.
Watch it become a cancerous meta within a week.

>>184437064
I didn't know that Snow White had storm
>meanwhile Levi can go three for 1 or 2 for 1 and hit face for 3

>>184437056
>Or they could design all incoming blood cards
Yes, which means your meme decks would never get any other support like dshift or roaches.

Y'know
A
Design
Limiter

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>PtP haven

???

>>184436679
>If Snek had been Spawn levels of power he would have gotten hit last set.
And this exactly is why Spawn needed the nerf hammer, not Baph. It's not Snakes only by the way, there wasn't a single card that made Baphomet's design an issue when they released him.

haven protection squad is here in full force today i see

>>184437181
yeah but Levi can't do that in the Earlygame.

>>184437218
25 Shadows so maybe it's coming up?

>>184436750
What kind of comparison is that? Those two cards are nothing alike at all.

>>184437323
>SW can do it a single turn earlier
holy shit plz nerf

>>184437010
Welcome to Nep decks.
Just zombie, foul and Kamura next turn. You'll be fine. If you've made it to turn 7-8 alive you've most likely won.

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Snow White had it coming. A 2 drop that could kill Grimnir the Balanced Staple was clearly a broken card that needed to be nerfed asap.

THIS is what a balanced 2 drop looks like. Full stats that kills your 4+ drop. Balanced 2 drops should only punish your opponent for playing the game, not kill your 3 drops.

>>184437378
Gobbo mage

Is no one else here bothered by the fact that Cygames forces you to install the game files on C drive now instead of the drive you specified during Steam installation? This is fucking horrible!

>>184436943
Not worth it; if they had hit a bunch of silvers sure, but you have a very low chance of hitting one of the nerfed legends.

>>184437392
yes. a single turn means a lot in the earlygame.

Why does Nexus need to job with everyone, can't they make 1 or 2 of them fall into the dream or something

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Are you happy to see her again?
what a shit thread

>>184437469
I actually am and I uninstalled and deleted it from the appdata folder, I keep games on my ssd for a reason

>>184437469
really?
i specified it to install in my D drive and its all there just fine

>>184437549
I'm only happy to see Mordecai players

>>184436603
Hits 1/x's and leaves a body behind unlike removal spells

>>184436678
So you should be able to all-in on aggro without consequence? Should demonic sniper gain target immunity and clash: destroy attacking follower if it has 1 attack too? There may be a big lack of cards like jungle protector, maelstrom serpent (rip), Zirnitra and others that put of multiple midrange bodies but that's a hole that will be filled simply from a design headroom standpoint. Continued grimnirs is just stalling, have a better win con or a persistent threat like polyroar/DAlice/Aegis/Morde/Corpselord/etc that can't just get meme'd. The counterplays exist, I'm sorry that you can't handle not autowinning with aggro cancer when their grinder deck has a preferred matchup against you.

Card power curves got fucked as cygames shifted towards from hand do everything cards. It's simply out of step with the existing library not overpowered for what 10pp plays power. Consider Aerin.

Except where 4 damage and 3 def ward isn't enough

Pointing to one of bottom barrel standard set bronze cards is hardly proving a point. 2/3's curve defensive statting for a 3 drop and it's got ward for its keyword.


English. Language.

>>184437523
>balanced Levi clears your board literally next turn
meanwhile grimnir is a guaranteed 2-for-1 if you don't have removal but that's ok right?

>>184437443
dude just don't evolve lmao

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Thoughts?
I sued to play 2378 Nep because I don't really like 2478, but demon eater seems like a waste in 2378.

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>>184437549
Yes

>>184437443
You should always play around Lolisquasher, you filthy d-ranked.

>>184437610
>continued grimnirs is just stalling
not when it hits face for 4, retard
>reddit

>spacing

>>184437129
Snakes did and nobody complained. Dealer did and nobody complained. Never seen any complain about Carabosse being fetched either. Deleting Baph from the game is the biggest proof that Cygames have no idea how to properly design their own game.

>>184436818
Only if you were shaken violently every day of your life. Snow white's the only actually problematic card

>>184437617
>Snow White used to be able to kill Grimnir and not die
>grimnir is a guaranteed 2-for-1
what did he mean by this?

>>184437552
So you're not playing Shadowverse anymore or did you get it to work somehow in another file location?

>>184437569
It doesn't use those files anymore. They just didn't bother to have you delete those.

>>184437687
Because Snakes and Dealer are fucking shit

>>184436818
kys shadownigger

>>184437687
Guaranteed shit in an rng draw based card game is always too strong.

>>184437113
It was just like that on launch. It needs a few days for people to playtest then netdecks start getting handed out and it goes to shit

>>184437218
4-6/turn if you get two hare's and eido out

>>184437687
Because Sneks and Dealer are fucking terrible. Even vengeance builds were cutting Dealer by the end of ToG.

>>184437731
Against every other card it was going to take at least two cards down with it, 2/3 ward is overstatted
>its okay when grimnir does it

I dare say that nothing changed for cat

>>184436750
Forest got several good cards since DE. They just doesn't directly synergize with Roach.

>phantom cat deck is exactly the same shit because alice and actress are still broken
>still winning at turn 5
>turn 1 STILL the same because alice
This is fucking hilarious. Please go neef spawn again

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>>184437403
Please use english names as to not confuse the newfriends. This is an english website.

>>184437715
Looks like you were kicked in the head daily.
Snow white is the only ok card out of those 3.

>>184437739
I play it on my phone until they change this or I can make space to feel comfortable with it there, I don't like my main drive to have less than 20gb free
also as some anon pointed out earlier you need to delete the cygames folder from appdata if you uninstall because uninstalling doesn't bother deleting those files
literally superior japanese coding

>>184437816
he got powercreeped by Snow White and Tove.
good thing they both got nerfed.

>>184437825
That's why Forest has been completely JUST-tier for three straight expansions now, right?
>Deepwood Anomaly

>>184437113
Enjoy it until the next cancer netdeck pops up.

Shadowverse anime when?

>>184437549
She never left.

>>184437679
It turns out when you heal for 4+, which also doesn't get re-grimnir'd, the boogeyman falls down

>>184437893
Neither of them had ward, 2/3 ward for 3 is overstatted and you can't prove otherwise
>firstborn dragon

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>realize no self respecting person can give this game money
>but that Belphegor alt. art is too cute

>>184437883
>I play it on my phone until they change this
lucky you

>I don't like my main drive to have less than 20gb free
Me either. 2gb out of my OS drive is really annoying. It's like they went full retard this update.

>>184436831
Disco Dragoon

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>there are people in this thread that don't understand why a 2 drop tutor that can kill other 2 drops and also mana cheat is not fine
>there are people in this thread that don't understand why a 2 drop that can trade into a 3 drop and still live is not fine
>there are people in this thread that don't understand why a card that clears your board and also takes off 1/5th of your health is not fine

>>184437882
>2pp going to valuetown on a board or trading with a 3 drop while enabling doggo was okay
What? How?

>>184437932
What class besides Haven is going to heal for 4+ in a single turn outside of meme cards like Elf Queen? Even Dragon only heals for 3 at a time with Sybil and Ouro (or used to) Most classes don't run big heals because doing nothing but healing just stalls out the game and does nothing to help your board unless you're playing Elana

>>184437639
>PTP aggro vamps blood
What is this meme? Do you have a dick?

>>184437962
This, snow and tove were broken as fuck.
They arr shit now. Tove doesnt even needs an explanation amd snow just shits herself against a standard 2/2 drop.

>>184438043
there was literally nothing wrong with that, legos are supposed to be strong
>every lego should be anomaly

>>184437010
>play nep decks.
>feels like 80% of the time I get Morde in mulligan or as first draw.
T-Thanks

Post your neutral sword lists

>>184437904
>Three
Forest was constantly top tier until ToG, where it couldn't deal with Mid-Shadow at all. Sword ran into the same problem, neither of them got a good board sweep so they can't deal with board flooding at all.

>>184437749
>>184437812
Whether this is true or not, you're just proving me right by confirming that Baph by himself was not a problem until Spawn. All they had to do was to properly design all the future +5 atk Blood cards with him in mind but that was too much asking, apparently.

>>184437853
It's worse because you can't chain baphomet into cat anymore.

>>184438150
Gobbo nerf killed Roach decks, which were their only decks, and Forest has been in the gutter since

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Finally had some extra vials after the nerfs to buy a seer globe for the best guy!

>>184438191
So in other words all future Blood legos should be complete trash like sneks and dealer? Again, that's a design limiter

>>184437995
Self respect is for normalfags who don't play weeb card games.

Are you a normalfag scum, anon?

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>>184438040
>There are, however, people in many threads that understand that a seven drop that can kill an nearly an entire board for the low, low, cost of 12 shadows is fine, and can drastically sweep a lost board state to a winning one is totally fine and not worthy of a nerf.

>>184438228
who the fuck waited for bapho's enhance for dropping him lmao

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>>184438095
I have a list but do you truly want it? It has a negative win rate and only win when your meme spirit is at its highest.

>>184438230
Forest was still present and doing well at the end of RoB in both ladder and tournaments.

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Finally. Fulfilling my destiny.

>>184438040
>there are people in this thread that think that a 2pp kill anything for only 4 shadows is fine

>>184438314
Balanced man is balanced, stop this smear campaign against him.