/poeg/ - Path of Exile general

If you don't kill the boss, does that map become available for drops in other maps? The wiki is not clear on this detail.

>>184195758
No. You HAVE to kill the Map Boss for it to drop in any Map that isn't directly next to it. You do not have to get the Bonus, however. White version of the map is enough.

>>184196005
whats the bonus even for then

>>184196146
the chance for a map drop to be 1 tier higher

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>>184116479
>free
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>free
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>FREE
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>free
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>free
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>free
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>free
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>free
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>FREE
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>free
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>FREE
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>free
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>Free
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>Free
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>free
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>free
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>FREE
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>free

Is anything wrong with dual wielding innsbury edge?

>>184196597
Your character may be drawn to dark places only a handful have ever been to that none have returned alive from. A place where even a Softcore character die forever.

>>184196597
well it's still only a 200 dps weapon

>>184195518
How do I into theorycrafting builds? what makes a good build different from a build that stops being viable before or at maps? Should I have a goal amount of life/es/insert stat here beforehand?

experience

>>184197145
>>184197026
Lots and lots of experience. Youre going to have to accept that youll be following build guides for a thousand hours before you can make anything more complex than a crit bow build.

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>>18419702
hacking

>>184197026
Grab Path of Building. At least 150% life if you're softcore, I guess 200% es? I'm not sure anymore. Try to get at least 100k dps, keep playing with different paths and setup ups and gear in order to perfect your build. Wiki is your friend, find things that you think would be amazing to work with, try different combinations. It takes awhile but honestly Path of Building makes it easier than ever to create a build

>>184195518
this has NOTHING to do with Path of Exile

FUCK
YOU

>>184197457
Do you not see the Dying Sun flask on the table?

>>184197675
I think at this point it's safe to call it the Dead Sun flask.

>>184198139
>still adds 2 projectiles
nope

>>184198139
>Nerf completely irrelevant to the true flask power
>"it's dead guys :("

Dying Sun? More like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGfKMV5AbMI

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Elemental BV or Spark with the new gem Scion for 3.0?

>>184198737
One is a great boss-killer, the other is a watered-down V.Spark that requires no souls which is completely redundant because you would probably want to use V.Spark anyway. It'd be like playing EK nova when Vaal EK exists and is a ring of blades that casts continuously around you for 5 seconds.

Public stash tabs Still lists individually set price if you try to override with tab set price

Like, in what world is this acceptable

>>184200291
That makes sense.
>Set general Tab price
>Set specific overrides where needed

Does PoB have bleed stack functionality yet? Wouldn't mind testing something out with the new shit stone.

>>184200291
That's the way it should be. Individual price > tab-wide price.

>>184200390
Yes, I dont recommend wasting your time though.

>>184200390
just tick target is moving and double the damage for a max stack bleed

>>184200472
I imagine it would be shit-house, however, my planned tree is next to it by pathing anyway and my build will have bleed.

>>184200486
Good point.

So, if my build does lots of small elemental hits is it safe to say that i should use Elemental Focus since, with the new ailments, there's no way in hell to shock the boss?

>>184200576
You werent going to shock the boss before, youll use Vaal Lightning Trap and deal with losing 30% damage on shock.

>>184200576
Nice tickle-me-elmo build

>>184200721
Yeah, pretty much what i though, thanks. Honestly i'm kinda excited for 3.0 inb4GGGshill.

>>184200827
Dont let /poeg/ get you down, sitting in this general for years would make you hate any game.

>>184200472
>Was fiddling with it, out of curiosity
My god, these numbers are a fucking joke. What were they thinking?

>>184201134
Its simple really. They dont have time to properly fix DoTs and double dipping, and the testing pool in betas is pretty low. So instead they use the first league of 3.0 to get mass testing and feedback on these systems and they get a nice 3-4 months to get them in a decent place. The reason theyre so shit now is because they dont want to overlook something and end up having to balance mid league because someone figured out some super secret 100m dps ailment build. Everyone always throws a shitfit when nerfs happen in the middle of a league, so why take any chances?

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Do the equivalent for every class

y/y poe saved

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>>184200486
>>184200524
This is while target is moving and not having the keystone. This is with high damage, high level etc. The bleed is from Atziri's Disfavour.

What a meme. Oh well, never cared for DoT and I don't think I'd get any benefit out of the guaranteed bleed.

Has anyone tested Caustic Arrow on the beta? I'm wondering how it's doing with all the changes and new supports. Poedb did list that it's damage values were buffed.

>>184201413
Ailments are fucked for now cause like >>184201316, they didn't have time to test it (lets not kid ourselves, the beta was just to generate hype and money). I'm betting that for the league after Harbinger they'll (over)buff them and it'll be ailment meta desu senpaitachi.

>>184201563
Most likely. Wouldn't be surprised if that happens after Harmemer league.

Not bothered by it, my build is just generic melee with Disfavour. Was just curious what the bleed would be like since Disfavour has bleed into it.

>>184196597
Since Poison is RIP you can no longer use meme weapons to double dip and still make good builds. I think pretty much all builds that got most of their damage from Added Chaos gem and Poison through it are ded.

>>184197026
It comes through experience. Start by making one or two builds of your own per league. Look for inspiration in other builds and try to understand the choices people make building them.

PoB is great but it can be really hard to distinguish something that's good on paper from an actually functional build.

>>184201349
Wouldn't this be quite a heavy nerf to Scion though? Or rather it would buff others so much that Scion would be a lot less desirable due to it's position in the tree. Maybe if it were a couple more new nodes of travel.

>>184201953
Any decent scion build uses uber lab to move their starting position anyways.

> Shock is kind of useless (vaal lightning trap) + bosses are hard to shock since its based on % HP
> Frost is very strong against regular enemies but hard to freeze bosses since its based on % HP

> Fix them by making still making them based on % HP but you're getting lower effect

It's not a good fix.

>>184201413
Bleed never did good dps in the first place. It was even really hard to double dip because there's very little generic physical damage compared to shit ton of chaos damage. The base value of bleed needs to be way higher considering it doesn't stack.

Also why are charges being nerfed? The power amplification they give is decent but not super huge. Flasks on the other hand are crazy overpowered. Lion's roar + diamond flask + taste of hate tripples people their dps numbers lol.

>>184201349
what if every node was interconnected with each other xD

>>184202042
It's as though the design team don't understand basic mathematics.

They can easily make Crimson Dance better:
>No move damage
>8 stacks
>60-65 % less DPS from bleed
>Each bleeding stack reduces enemy's phys damage, cast speed and attack speed by 2-3 %

Then it's not just a new poison but instead turns you into a predator circling around and bleeding out a larger, slower prey.

>>184202313
>>>r/iamverysmart

>>184202641
>>>>r/iamverysmart

>>184202267
Flasks were hit across the board, with damage going down and ranges added to force divining them. The charge nerf wasnt that bad, as a caster you regain the 4% damage that you used to get from Frenzy by getting Power charges, the reduction in crit chance was fine and picking up additional charges are still worth it for the spell damage. Overall im actually happy with the charge changes because im no longer forced into getting frenzy on a caster or power on a crit based attack character.

Is it really that bad that Power charges are primarily casters with minor benefits for others and that Frenzy charges are primarily attackers with minor benefits for others?

>>184202902
Yes, it is overall a good change.
Sadly, I'm afraid they are gonna give in and revert the changes.
You can't really fight stupidity, even if more and more people are waking up to the fact it's actually a good change

>>184202902
The changes were bad in that they didn't change anything else that had to do with Power or Frenzy charges. A bunch of 2.6 is still designed around the old charge system and there's a disconnect between the mechanics.

>>184202902
The change to making them casters and attack based primarily is just bad for the direction of the game. It's the kind of thing that slowly kills build diversity and is against the core values of path of exile.

>>184202902
>your build can no longer use [insert mechanic here] and is nerfed because of that
>a-at least i'm not forced to get it anymore!
ladies and gentlemen, this is how GGG drone's mind works

It would have made more sense if they moved the % more damage on frenzies to power charges and gave frenzy charges move speed. That way power charges are about "power" and frenzies would be about being in a "frenzy". Staying thematically consistent and still shifting the balance of the game as it's difficult for attack builds to get multiple power charges.

>>184203348
Because being forced into getting frenzy and power charges for every crit build was diverse? With the change im still forced into getting one of them but now I have this room for exploring other options instead of having to pick up the other charge somehow. Ill still pick up frenzy charges on casters if im in a situation where it doesnt gimp me and the same with power charges on a crit attack character. I even have the option of picking up power charges on a non crit caster now.

Im really not seeing how this is restricting build diversity, by lifting the base requirements on builds I have room to experiment.

>>184203413
yeah dude, power charges really convey that increased damage over time and increased bleeding and increased melee and increased ranged damage

is everyone here fucking retarded?

>>184203410
based retard

>>184203627
What? How does it not make sense for Power to equate to More damage in your head? Are you braindead?

>>184203568
So every non crit spell caster has to get power charges now but its okay as long as every crit build doesn't have to get frenzy charges!

>>184203757
Most builds were expected to pick up 2 charges before, now most builds are expected to pick up 1 charge. I dont see whats so hard to understand.

>>184203675
are you retarded?

>>184203864
Are you?

>>184203881
that was a rhetorical question

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>>184204119
>>184204119

new thread proper

>>184202902
>im no longer forced into getting frenzy on a caster
Were people really travelling half way across the tree to get 3 additional frenzy charges ?
Isn't that the whole point of investing passive points into something anyways ?

>>184202902
>power charge provides less crit than a minor node
>good change

>>184204732
Hey you still get 3 for free, so if you have an easy way of generating them thats 90% crit.

>>184204342
This thread is fine, stop being butthurt.

I am amazed. It's incredible to me how much of a shitstorm formed over some... balances changes in Beta?! I myself couldn't sleep thinking about the changes and how many interactions would stop working and how many more could be done, or if GGG finally got something wrong and fucked up and then i realised... I was overreacting. It was just some balance changes on things that could be easily reversed and worked on and I usually have absolute confidence in GGG's balance team, but I doubted them. Why?

GGG are freaking amazing in creating hype and they know this subrreddit and it's players REALLY WELL. All the trailers, the drip feeding of information, the manifestos, all these things making everyone so hyped. I mean, the harbinger league reveal gave me a mix of anxiety, antecipation and joy that no other game do and that's AMAZING. And all those things made me so hyped to the point of developing a irrational passion for it.

Then, the changes announcement came. Subtle, not proven to be really a huge deal, therorycraft food at most. But it affected what I yearned and desired to be perfect, I got scared about PoE. The fact that some balance changes on a still going beta make a generally stoic, calm, patient and skeptical person myself even consider it to be a extremely serious problem for just a bit shows how much I care and how much I want the 3.0 to be the best thing ever, feelings I'm pretty sure a lot of you share with me. The closer 3.0 gets, more hyped we get and more protective about it we end up being.

I made this post to share some thoughts over the latest shitstorm and I would ask people to calm down a little bit, PoE will not die because they changed how charges work on the BETA. And shoutouts to GGG for being the masterminds they are at making this game and I ask for forgiveness because love blinded me and made me doubt you. If I ever find someone that makes me thing about and amazes me as much as PoE I would gladly marry/lose my soul to that person.

>>184205246
>subrreddit
Explains the rest of the post I guess.

Pretty hyped about dark pact desu. We get FREE minion instability with it.

How sexy is the Gore set, on a scale from Ascendant to Zana?

>>184205561
>free minion instability

what?

So is Mind Over Matter basically mandatory for 99% of builds in 3.0? Since CI is worthless now and pure life will still be shit outside of RF and Dark Pact

>>184206825
If youre a caster your choices are MoM/VP or MoM/Acro

>basically mandatory
if you're a brainlet, sure, take comfort in knowing there's a "mandatory" path for your to choose but who cares, you'll copypaste a streamer build anyway

What are the best spells for 3.0? Frostbolt any good?

>>184207549
Any 100% pierce proj based spell works.

Anyone going 100% phys melee in 3.0? What are your reservations (if any)? Not sure whether to go with Haste + Some shit or try and squeeze triple purity.

>>184208146
>What are your reservations
No pure physical skill that interests me at the moment, just that.

And i have a question about Atziri's flask. If i'm going 100% phys->elemental conversion to i get both of the bonuses?

I'm so fucking confused by this game. I don't know what to play because it always feels like I'm going to fuck up my build or something.

>>184208645
Why are you replying to that post?

>>184208709
copy the fotm shit what people will talk about, after the first day like everyone else

>>184208786
He asked what my reservations are if not going phys and i answered that desu.

>>184208908
No.

>>184202902
Problem is power charges are bullshit to generate for non-crit spellcasters, who might actually use them for the spell damage now
What are your options, really? Shitty assassin's mark, OoS/Ice Spear PCoC, be Assassin lol, culling Power Siphon? Nothing good

>The only excuses people bitching about the charge changes can think of, when asked about why they hate the changes, are Tulfall, Power Siphon and the new shitty trap armor
Really activates my health nodes.

>>184209101
Ascendant hierophant gets sick pcharge generation senpai.

>>184208908
kek

Is anyone really surprised about the recent changes ? People have been pigeonholed into specific classes for specific builds since 2.0, GGG has been artificially shifting the fotm builds around while slowly killing build diversity for a while now.

>>184209537
Ascendancy was the real build killer. That along with GGG opening the floodgates with the removal of reflect auras.

>>184209178
all three literally nobody gave a shit before yesterday
Real reason:
>muh generic charges stacking build that i copied from my favorite streamer is nerfed :;(

>>184209537
yeah, because stacking frenzy and power charges on literally every shitcrow build ever is so promoting diversity

>>184209828
>every build ends up using all charges cause why not
Remember, this is true diversity.

>>184209828
>>184209897
The worst thing is that people on forums and reddit are hating on.... the charge changes. Which are mostly irrelevant and not even that big.

Meanwhile GGG is going to make shock and freeze even worse than they already are.

>>184210015
This, fuckers been crying about "muh speed meta" that started with 2.0 but now that they revert somethings back to pre-2.0 levels (like the frenzy charges that didn't fucking give 4% MORE damage) they cry like babies while they barely mention the ailment shit which is retarded.

I'll speak with my money
If GGG reverts the charges changes because of reddit stupidity and underage crybabbies, they'll never see one more cent from me.

>ggg wants to dumb down the game for xbone players
>poeg defends it purely because reddit doesn't
ebin

>>184210135
>>184210015
I'm on the fence about the charges. On one side, it's slightly reducing the whole clear speed meta. On the other side, it's reducing build diversity in a pretty piss-poor way.

The ailments however are hilariously bad, same with DoT.

playing poe from my bed is gonna be hella fucking epic

>not killing Shaper on your laptop while lying in you bed
Shitcrows get out.

>>184197337
>Try to get at least 100k dps
against shaper or white mobs?

>>184210015
It's funny considering most of these changes do fuck all overall : ailments from hits are still irrelevant, you're still likely to pick up relevant charges if you pass by/if it helps your build, people weren't playing attack traps and won't be playing attack traps, etc.

>>184210834
CA trap DoT Trickster builds with the new armor incoming?

How difficult is the uber trio compared to the t16 trio?

>>184209537
forgot your cat picture

>>184210914
what is the t16 trio

anyways, uber trio hits like a fucking truck

chaska rain will oneshot you on pretty much any build

>>184210980
Vaal Temple.

How hard is uber atziri compared to the guardians? I've done the Guardians and they're quite scary I manage. Nearly die to them once or twice in the fight.

>>184211021
oh right, they're spooky if combined with pretty much any mapmod that modifies their damage/hp

for all the builds i've played in the last few leagues, guardians have been much easier than uber for me

if you play something that can frontload a ton of damage and force phase her, it's not as bad

>>184210914
>>184211021
poedb states that T16 does a bit more base damage than Uber trio.

And that's not counting the mods you'll get. Good luck.

Came back after some hiatus, last time I was playing around Torment/Beyond leagues.

Are there any open secret hacks that everyone is using like poe hud was?

Also, what the fuck is wrong with scaling around the 4th act, it's like it jumps 1.5 difficulty level up, then again goes down when you go to a1 of the higher diff.

>>184211386
game is totally shit now and it will get even worse next week

>>184198391
>true flask power
but the extra area is now worthless after the changes too

>>184211421
>will get even worse
Only for 2.0-shitters.

>>184211421
Seems as shit as it always was - nothing REALLY interesting, but with a constand stream of dopamine and instant gratification on currency/loot drops with bigger, but still achievable goals if eq upgrades. And that's what I'm in mood for.

hey guys just came back after a 5 year hiatus to be an obnoxious summershit, please spoonfeed me info I can easily find if I click on the homepage of the website

>>184211373
I ran Vaal Temple with monster damage and boss health. Does poedb also include the mods of Uber map where mobs have +100% life and damage?

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do you still have to gulp in 3.0?

>>184212934
yes, even more so now that vinktar's doesnt leech mana

Is a build with blight as its main skill, and ED, contagion and wither as cast when channeling links, retarded?
it seems to be doing good enough in PoB

>>184213038
I don't think you can CwC Wither since it's a channeling skill itself.

can you cwc a curse?

>>184213205
yes

What's the current meme meta build? I haven't played in a few months and I don't want to make a build for the new league just to get stonewalled by prices on a key item being crazy high because some streamer said it's good or something.

>>184214634
anything ele will be crazy expensive
anything dot or ailment will be almost free

>>184214634
dots have been removed from the game

>/poeg/ has become so reddit people don't realize that prior to 2.0 the "era of build diversity" frenzy charges are still buffed.

Y'all niggers need to go back.

>Y'all
Disregard.

>>184214703
Shit, I was thinking about trying out Frost Blades.I guess that idea is dead on arrival.

>>184214703
>anything ele will be crazy expensive
Please no, i even picked the shitty element.

>>184214907
Claws of anguish won't be that expensive maybe around an exalt?

>>184214907
you can still do frost blades and get to maps without the touch of anguish claws.
Better start saving tho.

Anything meme WILL be expensive, that's how it works.

>>184214789
Oldfag and true poeg posters are still here and welcome the changes of course.
Sadly we are now overrun by redditshit with their bandwagonning behavior; they come here to anonymously shit on the game while they are forced to suck GGG cock over there. They tried yesterday to rally us to their pathetic outraged movement against charges changes and got told hilariously.

>tfw my meme build wants xoph's blood and it will be worth like 5 ex because of breaches being so rare
at least i'm only 3 points away from aof

>charges changes
Wait, what's changing about charges?

>>184214789
>prior to 2.0 the "era of build diversity"
yeah flameblast prolif was so diverse

just roll an actual decent phys claw it's better for frost blades anyway

The chain on Touch is nice for mapping but frost blades already does mapping pretty well on its own, a good phys claw is much stronger for bosses though

> not recognizing a pt meme

The game was never diverse newshitter player like you always copied their favourite streamer.

>>184214789
why do you type like that

>>184215450
they are kill

pt meme xD
le our guy xD

kys

>>184215672
>mandatory PT was shitter cause he didnt play meta only and did SSF answer post

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>>184215817

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>spend the last 4 hours in PoB
>don't manage to make a good build
>everything sub 500k dps
>the ones that almost reach 500k have sub 200% life
>give up and decide not to play 3.0
See you in 4 months nerds

>>184214703
WHAT ABOUT SCORCHING RAY DOES THAT MEAN THE PRICE COMES OUT EVEN??

>500k dps

>>184214634
Double-dipping is kill.
AoE is kill (Sunder is an exception).
Top builds will most likely be elemental, spells, projectiles with innate 100% pierce chance. MoM got buffed to work with degen, RF is still strong despite the nerfs and the pantheon system barely does anything for non-RF builds.

Piercing frostblades are homing projectiles anyway and you now get +1 pierce for free with the quest reward jewel. Fuck Touch of anguish.

>>184216150
>Literal immunity to stunlock for free
>can't die to corrupting blood anymore
>nothing

PT was right

>>184216353
was he though?

>>184216353
and is now streaming the mighty hardcore WoW on a dead channel with literally 0 views.
Being right is suffering

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>haha pt is such a crybaby xbox poe lets go I love ggg
>ggg is retarded now I cant use power charges on every crit build, I cant kill guardian in 2 seconds with ignite, I cant survive shaper slam due to 20k es

>Path of Building

Does it understand skills with stacks or shotgun effects?
Like Bladefall and Blade vortex? Is it giving me optimal vortex stacks based on my cast speed or just one stack? Does it assume only the first hit of Bladefall lands?

What about multiple traps and mines? It seems to just recognize the less damage mods and nothing else from them.

>>184215567
I thought ele claws were better for frost blades

>>184216771
just download it lol

>>184216712
>PT still streaming wow

umm try again sweetie

>>184216712
is he? his last upload is from 1 month ago.
I bet he wont be able to resist at least checking the game for 1 playthrough to see the changes for 3.0.0

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>>184216771

>>184216705
yep!

So I just cleared first few areas in the game.
I like the gem system and passive tree but where is the challenge?
I haven't died a single time, barely used my potions( never more than one flask) and just swept trough everything so far. Plus my build is ineffective as possible, I started as archer and now taking shortcuts to two handed swords so I don't have any passives active besides starting evasion and dex/str upgrades.

tl;tr Why is it so easy?

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>ggg pls remove immunities from bosses
>ok we remove immunities from bosses but also reduce your damage by 95% and make chill and shock only do 1% of what they did before

>>184217165
play more

>>184217165
>i'm playing the tutorial, why is it so easy?

>>184217165
You wait you little turd you'll get what you wish for.

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>>184217165

>>184217165
its easy because GGG keeps listening to retards.
game has been getting progressively easier with time, maybe in 3.0.0 there could be some semblance of challenge but Im not sure.

>>184216771
It can't properly calculate Bladefall/Firestorm/Icestorm, but that's because of how many variables there are. You'd have to do a shitload of assumptions to get a DPS from that.
In my experience though, it handles everything else just fine.

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wonder if GGG would say that the cost is not enough with the new charge changes

>>184217724
So it just lists a single hit then?

I'm asking mostly for multiple/cluster traps.

>>184218469
>cost
there's gems that only give -1 to to single charge type, this is massively OP

>>184218521
Yeah. Something like a blast rain cluster trap will list the damage of a single hit, when the skill launches 4x4 hits. 4.75 with the enchant.

>>184218521
I haven't ran a mine/trap build through it, so you'd have to try it yourself, sorry.
On the upside though, if you notice problems, the developer is extremely active on GitHub so he'll probably fix whatever issues you find if it's reasonable to do.

>>184216326
>caring about corrupted blood in the era of ailment immunities
My bad, I should have said that only RF builds get to chose their pantheon powers and everyone else pick brine king and yugul.

>>184218469
this has literally no downside

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what class to roll?
i've been away from poe for 1-2 years

>>184220108
roll into fucking reddit

>>184217335
>>184217342
>>184217353
>it gets better later on ¨

if the game isn't engaging from the start why would I keep playing?

>>184220505
this desu

game is shit

? dont play then u little hsit we dont need weak fucks like you here

>>184220505
because you aren't a dumb 12 year old kid with attention deficit who needs instant gratification to keep doing what he does

or in case you are, farewell, you won't be missed

If you're not an ELITE player you shouldn't post in /poeg/

Got anything better to do
It's rhetorical you don't
Get to redmaps you poop rook

>>184220849
phoneposting scum

which rmt site is the most used one? :^ )

Negromanca :DDD

nobody in /poeg/ ACTUALLY plays softcore, right

its a meme, right??

>>184220505
the game is engaging from the start, its just a bit slow
if you're too blind to see all of the content and potential this game offers to you at the low low price of free jk buy a currency tab then you should checkout diablo3, might be more your speed

>>184218630
doesnt it being zero makes it a bigger downside than just -1?
I can see it being OP though

>>184221176
I'd guess about 30% of the posters play SC and 80% of the lurkers

nothing wrong with playing softcore desu

softcore is the redpilled version of poe

yes i play SC and yes i am a cuckold and there is nothing wrong with it

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I just need the fucking patch notes already
Why do these inbred hobbits always wait until a few days before a new patch hits

>>184221494
ok that's kinda weird but as a fellow softcore player i won't judge

>>184221571
because they do changes literally into the last minute.

and even change the patchnotes a few hours before the league starts, keep watching reddit exile!

>>184221251
All those buff modifiers when you reach max charges, anon.

With that gem you will always be at max charges (zero).

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When we will get patch notes?

>>184221921
wait, what buff modifiers? I only know of Ahn's items and only the shield is nice and the third item is not out yet

>>184221926
Like 2-3hours before the patch releases usually.

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What's better?
Frostbolt versus freeze pulse
Talking crit inquisitor

>Cute tiger alone makes the harbinger supporter pack better than every Oriath pack

Bravo ggg

I usually don't post in poeg, just read, but I will post here, because I feel that every post that's made here will contribute to the well being of OUR favourite game.

Change is difficult. Yes, with the changes many builds may die, but how many new ones will come up? The game is evolving, we should too. Aren't you tired of playing the same old builds since 2.0? 2.1? 2.3? Why are we so afraid of change? GGG as a company has a plan for it's game. And maybe some things haven't been unveiled to us just yet. Maybe this change to charges, ailments and balance changes to keystones and nodes is essential for the game further down the road.

We are missing the big picture as we are missing a big, big chunk of 3.0 content. 2 Acts??? Probably some more skill gems, unique items etc. Is 2 acts that little? Did we forget when we got act 4, how much content it brought? Or is it just because "now we will have 10 acts", we will neglect the content that act 9 and 10 will bring.

Change is good. I strongly stand by GGG and all of their decisions for PoE. These people got us to believe that there could be something so good in the ARPG genre that deserves our support. We played the first beta. We fell in love. Did we forget that?

GGG always delivered. I will keep trusting the company that never betrayed my trust. Will you?

P.S. I read many comments that these changes might kill build diversity and no, they wont. In fact, they might bring more new builds in the game.

>>184221084
fuck off chris I'm not ratting
tfw the only reason I have premium tabs and a currency tab is because of RMTing my hard earned exalts

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>>184222141
>P.S.
I have a weird feeling you copy pasted this from a forum with edit function and then slightly changed the post

>>184221571
What are the odds they'll kill berserker?
I want to try him out just this once before they make him assassin-tier

>>184222101
There is literally no reason to use freeze pulse over frostbolt if you're inquisitor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/6q4ssk/chargeailments_discussion_megathread/dkulotg/

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>>184222354
;^)

nys

I play hc builds in sc temp leagues. What does it say about me?

every build is a hc build if you don't get hit

>>184222640
best type of player

>>184222640
it means you're me
and I'm a sexy bastard

>>184222354
>>184222141
it's obvious copypasta because peog is not against charges change

>>184222640
>temp leagues
Don't even acknowledge the perma leagues. They don't exist.

>>184222889
you mean chris' cocksuckers and that one intern who posts here aren't against changes

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>Being against the charge changes

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so why is hierophant's dual charge ability so shit, is it to offset the overall power of the ascendancy?

>>184222351
>implying retarded devs ever visit
i actually wanted to sell shit myself this league

>>184223504
Hierophants defensive power is bullshit tier so maybe
You'll have to mail chris or one of his ELITE coworkers if you wanna know for sure

>>184223504
Wait what hierophant changes?

d2legit dot com

Is there anything more infuriating than on-kill effects? Good vs trash, which you just rape anyway, and shit vs bosses that don't summon a shitload of adds

>killing bosses

>calling Cast on melee kill trash
It's secret OP

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>>184224097
>15% chance to gain a frenzy charge on kill

Really good boss skill.
You melee kill the boss then cast a spell.

>only increases and reductions to Spell Damage are applied to attacks. More and less modifiers do not apply to attacks.
Epic

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>>184223321
>thinking the charge changes make any fucking sense and were expertly tested

>using the same spell to kill trash to also kill the boss

shitter.

>>184224097
Considering you spend 90% of your time in a map killing trash it's okay. I can see it being annoying if you're mostly doing guardians/shaper but then you'd rather be using a build made for cheesing bosses.

>>184224338
this change improved build diversity because CoE builds were no longer FORCED to take pain attunement

:^)

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nah dude, having every build be strictly better by running blood rage was a good thing

Are they going to nerf leech again?

already did nerf GR and VP

VP is going to be capped to your max leech rate

Well there is your berserker nerf guys

>>184224338
What is this? I don't have any idea how to interpret this.

the goose is loose

>>184226752
It's a meme you dip.

Crown of eyes you stupid newfag

reminder that if you're not playing hardcore it's time to start playing diablo 3
>hurr DUrRRr muhh disconnections
>hurr DUHUHURHRR i play for fun

>>184221084
at the end of leagues i sell my shit for d2jsp then buy runescape gold or csgo keys and sell those for real money :^)

>>184215959
>im retarded
>i use a third party program thats not even accurate
>i suck
>im not playing, bye!

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>>184228091
I'm still here and reading your rude post fyi

>>184228217
>rude
y-y-you called us nerds

They should just move VP to its old spot desu senpaitachi. I'm kidding, they should just delete it.

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>anime

>>184227748
If D3 had even a slightly better crafting system it would blow this game out of the water. Such a shame how that game was on launch. You can only fix so much.

>>184228346
I'll consider it desu

>>184228465
D3 on release was good

>>184228668
You're allowed to have that opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree
Actually you're not allowed to have that opinion in here, because what you said is just wrong.

did d3g die again?

I missed D3 AH. Too bad it had to go because of salty shitty player.

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>>184229445
>you're a salty shitter if you don't spend real money getting decent items to not get one shotted in inferno ac2 ->

>>184229792
I wish poe was like that
Requiring an incredible skillset in trading, grinding, game knowledge and party play to just beat merciless

I got really bad diarrhea from playing poe

>not playing on the new japan gateway
what are you some filthy gaijin

>>184230136
>already get game fatigue before end game content

Naw, by the time I get to end game content I already want to kill myself. Ffs don't make the game even longer.

Yes, Im sure that is the reason

>>184230136
You're a fucking retard

>>184229792
I'm talking about AH, not RMAH.

>>184230609
It may have been good during the first few weeks but then the goldfarmers had already hiked the prices up by gorillion. Just a failed system that they removed for a good reason.

im hyped for GoT tonight

it's tomorrow

>>184202009
Not Whispering Ice and HoWA!!!!!!!

>>184201316

Fixing double-dipping is pretty much down to changing the equation that calculates poison/burn damage.

As in, it should scale from final hit only, unless modifiers such as increased/more DoT.

No bullshit like if poison is attached to projectile, it also scales from projectile damage in addition to its scaling from final hit.

GGG is too lazy to fix that, hell, they are in denial about that. So what do they do? NERF it to the ground, and shift meta. Which is bullshit.

If the game has meta, it means it is a failed game.

>>184223504
Conviction of Power is great with a certain ring.

>>184232307
isnt romiras shit for crit though

>>184232605
The point is to get perma IC, actual crit builds wouldn't want to play hierophant anyway.

>>184231970
It is actually insane how much they overnerfed Dots.

Tried a to make Lioneyes Raider in PoB.
Had Snakebite so all my hits would poison. Just for curiosities sake i went into the ALL the poison nodes to see if they would increase damage in any meaningful way.

And they fucking dont. Even if you have 100% chance to poison and grab EVERY singe god damn poison damage and duration node and the vile toxin and unbound ailments support, it would STILL be better to just spend the points on generic damage or generic crit.

I mean what the actual fuck is the point behind poison and bleed now? Generic proj/bow/crit nodes beat poison by a long shot EVEN IN THE BEST CASE POISON SCENARIO.

>>184202902

The changes are terrible and they do not fix anything to begin with.

Nerfing Berserker (that 100% dmg leech should only apply to melee attacks), Pathfinder (fixed/static buff for potion effect magnitude), Vaal Pact - effects only leech rate, as in, its instant.

>>184232605
My build hits dozens if not hundreds of times per second. Each of those hits generates a Power Charge which gives me 1 Endurance every 4 Power. I can generate upwards of 10 Endurance charges with good luck per second if I had that many slots.

why the fuck are redditors complaining about bosses not dropping enough loot ?
They do drop enough loot
if GGG fucking listens to them and makes every fucking boss drop 10 uniques and 5 tier 15 maps im done with this shitty game

Speedshitter redditors are ruining this game

scorching gay will be meta in 3.0 (don't tell reddit)

>For the Ascendancy system, we felt that being restricted to a single character in order to get a specific ascendancy class just wasn't right. So, starting in 4.0, upon completing the labyrinth, any character can pick any ascendancy! I look forward to seeing how the playerbase will use these changes.
Is PoE saved with this?

>>184233163
ok reddit

>>184233029
>goes to reddit
>complains about what he saw on reddit
>continues to go to reddit anyways

you smart

>>184233163
reddit already knows mathil made a build around it in beta

>>184232838

GGG is shifting meta, thats about it.

>>184233029
>They do drop enough loot
No, they don't. I'm going to assume you're not baiting just because, even though you probably are.
>Roll a 100%+ Quantity map with 20% Packsize and Double Boss
>Clear the trash and get like 2-5 maps with 1 of your current map level and 0 +1s
>Get to and kill double boss
>A smattering of Rares, Blues, and Whites, 0 Unique items, 0 Maps
This is also a regular occurrence outside of Guardians and Unique Map bosses. The reward for doing difficult content is not conducive with the difficulty of said content by a county mile.

>>184233029
>implying
this game is the cheapest on lootdrops.
However the bosses should become more difficult as well. The problem is shitter casuals of which reddit is full of, they want both good drops and easy bosses. GGG would do well to just avoid them

>>184233169
Scion exists and can pick any ascendancy she wants, plus another on top of that

your move, you fucking retard

>>184233001
shiiiiiiit hundreds of times per second? didnt think that possible but sounds like itd be hunky dory for generating endo charges

>>184233336
This drove me crazy this race, almost no map drops, was stuck on tier 9s for a while.

How bad is the CI nerf? I'm tempted to respec my hybrid build to ES. Please tell me if this is a bad idea.

Why can't they just introduce a party mode that disables all spell MTX for other players, and caps the actual amount of spells (like individual fireballs) you see to be like 2 per second per player

>>184233336
You see this is the problem in general with the mindset of people
People want insane fucking loot from every single map for no effort
Every time I run a guardian map I get returns
If I run a shaped strand I dont get returns every time
People like you want great loot from every single map, because mobs drop more than bosses , you want bosses to drop as much as mobs

What if GGG just made mobs drop way less loot so theyre in line with the boss loot ?
Lets say 1 unique per 20 maps and rares would actually be RARE and wouldnt drop every fucking 2 seconds.
If this loot powercreep keeps on increasing this game will turn into D3
Just look at what people are doing with shaped shore with sextants
Uniques dropping every second and exalts everywhere, disgusting
PT was right

>>184233298
That aint shifting. That is fucking it up to the point that you could just as well delete the mechanic.

Dots are a fucking noobtrap now. Fuck build diverstiy, fuck player choice. Play ele conversion.

>>184233547
It's dead.

I was sustaining 13s on day 23 of every SSF event since Legacy (3 events) but clearly map drop rates are not enough currently, said every little reddit shitter who's too busy whining about the game to get past t8s

>>184233547
In 3.0, the Nerf to ES is an effective 30-40% drop in total ES for most builds unless you have a high investment, then it's closer to 20-30%. You also can't leech instantly to ES anymore and your ES recharges 50% more slowly if you use Ghost Reaver. Hybrid > CI now.

>>184232838
>remove double-dipping
>nerf dot values accross the board
>nerf dot scaling
>nerf their new crit dot keystone
>remove 100% poison chance from viper strike as well as nerf its duration
>nerf assassin
>add a worthless bleed keystone
>change frenzy charges
>nerf chill, freeze and shock just because
They don't want people to play ailment builds anymore.

>>184233608
>Every time I run a guardian map I get returns
because it has a guaranteed drop, it would be dogshit if it didn't, same as every other boss that doesn't have a set drop table

@184233608
This pasta is fresh off the stove as far as I can tell. Not bad.

>>184233547
>>184233704

They did not touch Incadescent Heart at all though. If you can spend a shitton of currency on your other gear it could be a viable chest with CI.

>>184233547
You have to expect roughly 30% less ES on your finished build
>bad idea
You'll have 10k ES instead of 15k, which is still better than a life build

But not by all that much, going with a kaoms and good life gear nets you over 8k life without having to worry about freezes or stun durations that much.
Run the numbers and decide if it's worth it, but most builds are better off going pure life or life+MoM in top area now. At least early in league.

>>184233757
They didn't change Freeze.

>>184233757
>5% slow

>>184233784
Guardian maps don't have guaranteed (map) returns you retarded fuck. Have you ever stepped in one in your life? You get a Shaper fragment, which is 1/4th of an actual map, which itself doesn't guarantee more map returns.

>>184233967
You're right, my bad.

>>184234004
And you'd need to deal 8.34% of an enemy's life to get that. Anything less is totally ignored.
>100% increased Chill effect
4.17%.
>200%
2.78%
>300%
2.08%
It's utterly useless versus bosses even if you invest heavily in this new stat they haven't implemented yet.

>killing bosses
I'll just buy my boss kills for atlas in 3.0 tbqh my friends

>>184232838
>overnerfed
Or nerfed just right? Think about it, you're using an item that grants poison on hit; should this come with an exponential increase of your damage? No, your damage should come primarily from your 6L, with any other indirect sources being BONUSES, not the actual main source of your damage.

>Generic proj/bow/crit nodes beat poison by a long shot EVEN IN THE BEST CASE POISON SCENARIO.
Calling bullshit on that one, provide PoB pastebin or shut up

>>184234280
>his build is so shit it cant kill bosses

Speedshitter-kun, return to >>>/reddit/ to join your speedshitter strand spamming friends

>>184233169
I never got this. People say that everyone should be able to make any kind of build with any characters but even before ascendancies some would be better than other (a witch necro would still be a better choice than a ranger). You can still do that if you want, make a hipster build on another ascendancy, so what's their issue?

>>184233910
It's also a viable Hybrid chest.

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>>184233757

>They don't want people to play ailment builds anymore

And yet, from Chris' own words:
"We make this game for you guys".

What a bloody farce, eh Steve?

I just wonder about one thing. WHo the fuck did complain about Assassin and wanted his nerf?

Only three needed hard nerf: Berserker, Pathfinder and Aura-slut.

>>184234381
If we're playing spreadsheet warriors, Poison still wins simply because of shit like standing still and forcibly stacking Poison while wearing legacy gear.

>>184233757
I remember GGG saying they would try to make up for the dipping nerf with base value buffs. What the fuck happened?

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>>184234381
>double boss life
It's literally impossible to kill bosses now.
You remember that beach boss? Voll? I only beat him because I could kill him before his slam could come down. If he has double the life that is no longer possible and since it's basically impossible to dodge his slam, he'll definitely hit me for half my life with that attack. Way to risky.

>>184233910
>>184234415

Chaos Explosive Arrow anyone?

>>184234658
>weeb
>is a bad player

not suprised

>>184234605
Chris also said that the development team would show the build in Beta wave 3 that warranted the huge Nerf to Assassin "millions of (bleed/poison) DPS without compromising defenses."
They never delivered in the timeframe provided because they lie just to appease the community. They don't give a shit about what people say. It's all PR to soothe the masses and keep bitching to a minimum as they force more MTX down your throats.

>>184234551
>WHo the fuck did complain about Assassin and wanted his nerf?
Literally anyone who had a clue about the game and wasn't selfish enough to want to keep their cheesy build unnerfed. Players were killing Shaper with a Mortem Morsu and an Added Chaos gem. Read the stats of that lv. 34 claw and ask yourself if that was reasonable to keep Assassin/frenzies as they are.

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Mortem_Morsu

If you answer yes, you're a complete retard and should stay away from discussions about what balances are healthy for the game.

>>184234415
But with CI it gives you 25% elemental reduction. Which is kinda a big deal.

As a Hybrid it would in most builds even increase the damage you take. While only offering you a mediocre life roll and a bit extra chaos damage.

>>184234680
Are you thirsty, Anon? I know I am.

>>184234658
>he has so few defenses voll in oasis hits him for half his HP

SHITCROWS OUTTTTTTTTTT OF MY GENERAL

>>184234658
>AI-poster
>is a bad player
Not surprised

>>184234780
It's probably barrage on a split crit poison assassin linked to point blank or some stupid shit.

>>184234848
this and all similar builds were killed by double dipping nerf, no need to nerf assassin further

>>184234867
On a good Hybrid build, you'd still get 18.75% Elemental Reduction on top of having a higher effective HP pool.

>>184235006
>this one doesn't count because it doesn't fit my narrative
>mom don't nerf my dd-ing poison build please

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>>184234551
>Only three needed hard nerf: Berserker
delete this

>>184235062
you can't get any reduction unless you're CI, because that requires over 75% chaos res

>>184234658
Such a bad bait yet it was effective with some. For that, have my (You).

>>184235086
Where did I ever say that the nerf was unjustified?
I just said what I believe the millions of poison deeps build was.

>>184234848
double dipping already shifted assassin from hero to zero you retard
there's no need to further nerf him by 70 fucking percent

>>184234182
Better than the current version of the game where any boss that isn't implicitly immune to chill like a couple Guardians completely neutered with a level 1 Vortex and Temporal Chains.

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>mommy I cant kill bosses with my 3k life mathil build now, they have more than double the HP of a white mob :-(((

Pic related is a build with 90% phys mitigation, immune to stun and freeze and 8,5k EHP
Stay mad shitters

>>184235145
You're right, a nerf is not enough. Delete Karuishits (+every piece of their equipment, Kaom's included).

>>184232956
>Nerfing Berserker (that 100% dmg leech should only apply to melee attacks)
what's with you faggots and your hard on for pigeonholing everything in the game for just one thing
fuck off

>>184235323
The cheese methods needed fixing, I agree, however, utterly ruining all forms of Chill and Shock in the process is not a good thing.

>>184235086
>take the MILLIONS OF POISON DPS barrage build
>change all the damage nodes to elemental
>it now has twice as much dps
poison too strong pls nerf

>>184235546
There will be an ele conversion nerf in 3.0 patch notes
otherwise GGG is flat out retarded

>>184235289
Why not? it makes no sense to let an ascendancy keep a literal double poison bonus damage when they're trying to nerf poison shenanigans and relocate scaling avenues through the passive trees. You can nerf the baseline for poison scaling even further and keep Assassin intact or you can nerf both and offer possibilities for non-Assassin builds to compete, making "balance" easier accross the board. The disparity has to go.

>>184235408
>EHP
don't make me post that pasta again

>>184235675
>relocate scaling avenues through the passive trees
but they're not doing that, they're just nerfing.

>or you can nerf both and offer possibilities for non-Assassin builds to compete
point being absolutely fucking nobody will be playing assassin, or poison in general, because it does 5% the damage of a normal on hit build

>>184234551
>WHo the fuck did complain about Assassin and wanted his nerf?
Pathfinders probably. They didn't want to lose their sc most popular ascendancy title.

>>184235675
>Some poor soul who just likes to have fun:
>Hey, can you not Nerf the Assassin Bleed/Poison node? It's the only method of dealing good Poison damage left ;_;
>GGG Rep:
>No, all methods of applying Poison must be shit!

>>184234848

The issue with poison was the equation that is used to calculate its damage. GGG did not fix that. They nerfed shit into ground.

And what did you expected out of 40% of phys to chaos conversion, 100% poison chance, statstick crit and crit multi from a fucking weapon (as it should be), when players slap on that Abyssus, T1 steel rings and amulets with phys damage on a full crit build with Blade Flurry? Especially when the retarded equestion was not fixed?

By nerfing Assassin, GGG went full fucking retard.

IF you are disagreeing with that,
>you're a complete retard and should stay away from discussions about what balances are healthy for the game
should be applied to you immediately, as well as a FREE ticket to gulag for 10 years.

>>184235675
>offer possibilities for non-Assassin builds to compete
except ggg didn't do it in beta and won't do it in 3.0, haven't you learned? EB is still fucked after 2 years of irrelevance

>>184235661
at this point will there be anything in the patch notes that's not a nerf?

>>184234924

Eh?

>>184235998
auras now get a flat radius bonus with levels, because as we all know necro support needed a buff :^)

>>184236015
I'm so thirsty, I could drink a whole lake, fish and all.

>>184235675
>offer possibilities for non-Assassin builds to compete
Please remind me when they made non-Necromancer minion builds able to compete.

>>184235891
>statstick
I wish those disappeared desu.

Guys you know what would be amazing ?
If GGG buffed underperforming skills in 3.0.
That would be great, heh.

they wont

>>184236202

Fuck off Kitava, you've fucked up enough shit as it is. No more.

>>184236338
That'd be amazing, honestly. Even if it's not T1, I love what they did to Glacial Cascade.

>>184234343
Here is some generic little shitty Lioneye build with snakebite, that goes out of his way to grab all poison and bleed damage nodes for a total of 9 points.

It does 62k dps with barrage.

https://pastebin.com/PM3TgnDk

Here is the SAME shitty fucking build. But instead of the 9 poison nodes i got the generic proj dmg nodes from ranger start and bow cluster. IT DOES 63k damage WITHOUT taking the Notables.

https://pastebin.com/k4JWCG40

>>184236425
A perfidious meal indeed...