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Where the fuck are the nerfs? I want to uninstall already

>>184056561
29th, you fucking nigger. The date was announced alongside the fucking expansion release.

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M U H
U
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Negros of the black magic must be killed

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Reminder that familycraft soon. Dictator can be the uncle

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Tilting so hard right now. Playing nothing but shadowniggers and bloodcunts. Please delete eachtar and spawn

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>Highroll, topdeck lord, beat a cancer shitter in their trials
Feels good. Shame I don't think corpselord can be salvaged

>>184057216
>he's still complaining about eachtar
AA rank?

>>184057216
Run haven then you dumb cuck. Post dick so we can all point and laugh

>>184057263
>forest being cancer in these times
Like, I know they used to be treefuckers, but even I feel bad for them. Not to mention Alice nerf will hurt their B&B package more.

>800 points to masters
>meta upheaval soon
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>184057216
Your not gonna make it anon the months gonna end soon

>>184057462
>neutral
>not cancer
Class doesn't matter.

>>184057216
>crying about a 7% craft

Oh right that is master stats. Hows it like being an irrelevant Dshitter?

>>184057462
Neutral is cancer and must be expunged at all costs

POST ANOMALY ANCIENT FOREST DRAGON DICKLIST PLEASE I WANT TO MEME

>Play tyrant
>Not getting my shadows
>Play kelord of woe
>20 shadows after 20 shadows
Jesus christ

>best standalone Forestcraft card
>best standalone Swordcraft card
>best standalone Runecraft card
>best standalone Dragoncraft card
>best standalone Shadowcraft card
>best standalone Bloodcraft card
>best standalone Havencraft card
go

>>184057863
Alice, done.

>>184057683
I don't think there's an actual list like that. Just take a regular neutral or non-neutral wolfbolt and replace bolts with anomaly and dragon. 2 of both should be enough.

>>184057863
Roach

I started laddering the other day but why do the low ranks have neutral blood in them, I can barely put together a workable deck and people in the D ranks have the strongest deck in the meta, what the fuck bros

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Tournament signups
http://challonge.com/svgwonderland3

Takes place 9pm PT/12pm (Midnight) EST/5am CET
BO3 Double Elim
2 deck format
Neutral Alice, Spawn and Eachtar banned
These last about 3-3.5 hours

Any questions or difficulty registering please ask here.

>>184058029
Neutral Blood isn't expensive, especially the Cat build.

>>184057963
Roach by itself is just a 2pp quickblader

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ANIME WON HEARTHSTONE BTFO

>>184057683
Good luck. No such deck exists.
Now go buy the anomaly prebuilt

>>184058035
>Any questions or difficulty registering please ask here.
Can't I ask on discord?

>>184058029
>I can barely put together a workable deck
Have you rerolled and gone through the single player shit (story, Elite AI) and the private match achievement?

>>184058197
Mob is fucking garbage, it's literally 30k reddit viewers

>>184057863
Aerin.
Albert.
Old Levi.
Ouro.
Don't really know. Thane or Morde?
Spawn.
Aegis.

>>184058197
Anime? What the fuck is those western shit

>>184058261
no I came back from playing a bit during rage and didn't feel like rerolling since I had 3 darias, I still most of the private match packs to grab, but I was waiting for the patch to really decide what I want to work towards

Why Bahamut have fucking 13/13 and board clear? Why can Dragon drop it on your turn 5?

>>184058197
What's the point of watching live something that is not even new?

>>184057683
Run a wolfbolt skeleton. Tweak for more control than hand building. Replace the bolts with anomaly/dragon. Play it for 20 matches then quit because it's unplayable

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>>184058401
Just corpse into demon eater bro. It's just a single follower.

>>184058385
Vial some stuff and make a burn dirt. You should have some things for it already if you played Daria, so it wouldn't be that expensive.

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You here?

>>184058991
>he actually got memed on by angel crusher

>>184059156
>What is tilting at wildmills
What point are you trying to make?

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>baited all the removal by aggressively evoing behind wards and then got 4 free evolves from lumi mage

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Reminder this game will probably be suspended around next year so don't buy premades or leaders.

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Reminder that Eris is young and fertile.

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>>184059807
Please anon. Don't do this

>>184059807
>so don't buy premades or leaders.
Fuck you I'll buy my wife Albert leader and premade and you can't stop me

>>184059807
I love how post-nerf is always m-maybe this ca... Nope, still shit.

>>184059807
The 'after nerf' one kills me. "Oh boy I can finally play this game ag..."
The same thing is going to happen with the WD nerfs.

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>>184060278
Go to sleep, Arisa. Maybe next expansion you will be t1 again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgwQLOCR_yY

>>184060426
>The same thing is going to happen with the WD nerfs.
Not as long as they kill spawn and neutral.

>>184060467
>>184059807
>next expansion

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Never going to not hate CoCK. 1 storm kills so many post-trades. The ward blocks aggression leaving the ban for a free -2ep from the opponent

>>184060503
They have to rip out almost the entirety of WD, nerf midshadow, nerf ramp and then do minor nerfs to the other broken bullshit cancer that still kills the shit out of stuff when there isn't a more virulent cancer pushing it down. They wont do this. SV is beyond dead

88189 PLZ CONCEDE

>>184060818
>dullahan
Why not just use midnight haunt if you want shadows that badly

>>184060835
say thanks faggot

>>184061041
thanks faggot

>>184061028
Cause it's for woe sustains. Don't want the tempo loss

>>184060818
I am never going to not Love CoCK. 1 shot kills so many post-pussies. The hymen blocks aggression leaving the ban for a free -2ep from the opponent

latest news: spawn can only attack followers

>>184060818
>Dullahan
What spicy meme are you cookin'?

>>184061152
>dont want tempo loss
>5pp 4/5 needs evolve for effect
>also wastes turns droping spartoi soldiers for the opponent to get free evolves on while running a deck with minimal removal

>>184059807
Well I was going to buy if they release aerin instead of fairy princess. Fucking hell how did fairy princess even win.

>>184061361
I was trying to get woe to work. It doesn't. Gonna just go back to ptp tyrant. Keep getting 20-40 shadows

>>184061342
>Go 1st turn 1-4 perfect neutral aggro curve
>Keep hitting face till your opponent have 8 hp
>Turn 5 baphomet
>Turn 6 spawn and evo clash

>deal with the early neutral curve
>play COCK
>play Alice
And Sword isn't even the strongest craft right now.

>>184061571
The same way DG won. VA cocksuckers.

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how to win going 2nd?

>>184061691
You don't.
Just concede and queue again

>>184061342
>8 face damage through wards as early as turn 6
Wow, you fixed nothing.

Kill yourself.

>>184061691
Stop playing against Shadow and Neutrals

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>>184061182
You can say it's the perfect form of CoCKblock, taunt prevent the storm/bane dude from dying, bane prevent opponent from dropping anything valuable without a removal fanfare.

>>184061656
>balance knights into alwida
fucking bullshit gay ass class i swear /svg/ is swordbabs safespace i never ever heard anyone complain about this shit

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>>184061691
You play a 1234 curve when they skip their first turn.

>>184061830
Just themis, hag.

>>184061691
Keep 2 2PP 3 damage removal. Oh, and draw into Teena on turn 4.

>>184061830
>balance knights into alwida
>respond with enhanced wrath drake

There's no better feeling, I bet ungatards get really triggered after that.

>>184061571
It's a VA thing; Same reason dark general won

>>184061432
Gotta get shadows somewhere. 6/turn is really hard without highrolling t1 burial and two dullahans. Nobody ignores board so you can't catacuck engine

When he gets out he can slambang around pretty good.

>>184061691
if you have a decent curve stay. if you opponent does the turn 1 goblin into tov into goblin leader into alice then concede

>>184061853
>they skip first
>get tove out
>activate it first
>get goblins out first
>get alice out first
>shit on your board and then on your face and chest

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>>184061592
Why not both?

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>no KOUSHIN SEYO in the last 2 threads
WHERE DID YOU GO

>>184061853
>Playing tyrant ptp
>Opponent is playing Elana
>Broken curve and they highrolled elana
>BM's like they did something

>when its obvious your opponent hand is full of removal and you get angry that they just remove your follower ever single goddamn turn

>>184056217
need a concede, pls. 62001

>>184062393
Thanks Rowen!

>>184062227
>BM's like they did something
Oh, like dragon players.
You sure showed me playing a 10 cost card on turn 6 you twat

>>184061691
Have a perfect curve of removals

>>184062135
I was worried cause the shadow engine was pretty frail. and I was already getting issues with drawing them before.

How's that workin out?

>>184061830
That's because every craft (except sword and forest) can deal with turn x do nothing board flood

Just Themis bro
Just Conflag bro
Just Hungering Horde bro (alternately play Yurius and make them hit themselves)
Just Levi bro
Just Eachtar bro

>Hit 35 shadows against csword and die without tyrant/ptp
>Draw ptp t3 next game but have no burial or dullahans
I feel the warp overtaking me

>>184062749
That never happens. Neutral Sword just has weak end game overall .

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concede pls
36509

>>184063062
thx nigga

>t6 9 shadows
>Only play I got is skullcradle+ptp
>2 forms, 1 tyrant, 1 deadmoon in hand and 7 shadows+haunt to go

>>184061571
open your eyes and look at her limped leg anon

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>>184062691
You can beat other meme decks with it. Neutral is just too strong for it. Once they drop alice its game over

>>184062985
>Albert
>weak end game

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Nobody plays this anymore, right? We all moved on to Elder Scrolls The Legend, right?

>>184063254
>It was the worlds worst dshift list
>They exorcised my ptp too
>My feet hurt
>My win cons are at the bottom of my deck
>I want to die but poisoned apple of rebirth wont let me

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>>184063683
Currently going to grind Arena after getting to GM. Gonna need to get 2400 for those leaders.

>>184063683
I play both and HS

>>184063949
kys shadownigger but quality taste on leader choice

>>184063683
I played for about an hour before it set it how all the card art and themes were so boring and samey that I dropped it.

>>184063949
How do you win even? I just constantly lose in arena.

>>184063548
They waste too much evolve points on their neutral bullshit.

Concede please

76267

Thanks in advanced

>>184064562
It's pretty much luck-based due to the drafts, but generally try to curve out as good as you can.
Generally, what I go with.
- Keep a 2PP and/or 3PP
- If you have either, a 4PP is keepable if you can make use of it on turn 4 (Say, Othrus)

>>184064845
Yeah. Whenever I evolve, they are pretty much forced to use an evolve back.
Too bad Sword doesn't have a 5PP Follower that could save you evolve points.

>>184065056
Neutral Sword doesn't play Luminous Mage, retard.

>>184065235
>must... follow... netdecks....
I literally never have a problem with saving an evolution for Albert.

anyone have a good forest decklist?

>>184065467
swordbabs are not different from homebrew daria or mid shadow tards, do not reply to them

>>184065592
no
not even meming

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>>184056473

>>184065592
40x Concede Button

>>184065629
What daria have to do with it. I bet you're a Oztard.

Guys, give me control blood decks to curb this neutral aggro shit. Even lethal blade + revelation + black mask aren't enough

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>>184065592
57% WR going second

>>184066014
you're better off playing haven

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>>184065629

>anyone who isn't a metaslave is a snowflake

Nice meme

>>184066014
>control blood
Give up on that meme deck, it will never be good. This is the third or fourth time it fails.

>>184066014

https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.6.6F6FS.6F6FS.5_pzw.5_pzw.5_p-4.5_p-4.5_p-4.67SGY.67SGY.67SGY.6BIrA.6BIrA.6BIrA.68zBM.68zBM.63iGi.63iGi.63iGi.6923i.6923i.5_rhS.6ItyC.6ItyC.6ItyC.690MA.690MA.6IwOI.6IwOI.6IwOI.63i_Q.63i_Q.63i_Q.6IyqY.6IyqY.6IyqY.67WPY.67WPY.63i_a.63i_a.63i_a

Botalz OTK Azazel

It loses to Spawn decks though.

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Oh look I just won the game

>>184066323
>meme deck
It's unironically good, neutral spawn is just better. That's why no one plays it.

>>184066779
That's not a tove

>>184066779
>discord

>>184066738
>implying it won't be dead post nerfs when Cygames decides to go after Baphomet

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>go first 10 times in a row
>get t2 oracle and t5 Sybil every game
>10 game win streak
You can't stop my dork wings

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What's a deck that could justify Olivia? I want to play her in constructed, even if she's obviously too slow. I played her in Sword and she gave me some games but Sword doesn't have enough card draw to afford a dead card in hand.

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Say nice things about MEL

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explain this one, shadowbabs

>>184068459
>creature - crab
That's awfully specific

>>184068459
Ours is worse so it's ok.

>>184068385
Elana. Aegis... well, kind of. It doesn't really need those evos anyway. Some dragon decks use one. Also control dirt, but it doesn't exist anymore.

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>>184068459

Designed by MTG pros

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Post cute girls (male)

>>184068624
>Elana
I can't stand that playstyle, I prefer Seraph. But that's a solid idea, thanks. Dragon is probably the safest bet for an Olivia deck but that's a bit boring.

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>>184068557
It's so you could build a crab deck

you cant really build a crab deck but you can try

>>184068974
>dat bulge
i guess you werent lying

>>184068385
Nothing meta. A lot of tier 2.5 use her ti recover EP though.
Obviously in sword you should be using luminous mage/assassin instead. If you need to evolve officers you already lost and should focus on winning before t9

>>184069107
I was hoping that forest was going to become a sliver deck to revive combo forest but nope. Without a fairy trait and basically rebasing all the stats of most of forest it's dead eternally

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>>184068981
SEA CRAFT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF3Ej62MqXE

SEA CRAFT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF3Ej62MqXE

SEA CRAFT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF3Ej62MqXE

>>184069686
>Without a fairy trait
Meme dragon could literally be saved by fairy trait.

>>184070181
I still like meme dragon protecting a board for a fairy dance bounce 12 nuke to follow up with fairy driver for another 8

>>184068386
Jesus those are some delicious feet

>>184068386
I hate her cowtits and I hate her retarded LOOK AT THESE PANTSU~~~~~! charlotte art. It completely kills what could have been decent

>>184071023
no, don't

>>184071023
I prefer the space between her belly rolls.

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>want to go to sleep
>on good win streak
Always happens when I get sleepy

>>184071023
my melanin-enriched sibling of exquisite taste

>>184071681
night night anon

>>184065056
>Filling the 5pp slot with more cards
This is how I know you don't play Sword, Neutral or otherwise

>>184068386
bretty fugging gud

>>184071935
you can remove cards from your deck, anon.

>>184057216
you are shit just like that anime you posted

Everyone keep saying that Fairy Princess won because of her VA but nobody says who her VA is.

Should I craft 3 Caraboose or 3 Beauties (these two left), /svg/?

>>184072179
What cards could you feasibly remove from a neutral Sword deck without making it weaker?

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>>184071898
Goodnight dragonkin

>pulled 3 Dragoon Lancers a long time ago
>every couple of weeks start wondering why I never built a disco dragon deck for fun
>check cards
>0/3 Dracomancer's Rites

Oh yeah. Definitely can't justify 2400 vials for memes like that.

>>184071681
May you have an eternal sleep.

GIMME NERF PATCH NOTES AAAAAA

>>184072674
Tommorow Autist

>>184071935
Reminder that, after they nerf Alice to 5pp like they probably will, Neutral Sword will have even more cards in the 5pp slot.

>>184072821
I can't survive another day. I even went back to playing Hearthstone arena.

with both sets of precons in consideration, which ones are actually worth getting

>>184073290
The new Dragon pre-built is by far the best one.

>>184072342
don't play Neutral with evolution saving in mind since they're goal isn't to reach turn 9 in the first place.
moron.

>>184073594
The whole point was about using Luminous Mage in Neutral to save points for Turn 9 Albert, fuck off retard

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tfw you beat the cancer

>>184073290
Old Shadow, new Shadow, old Forest, new Dragon, new Sword, new Haven. New Blood will be good as well if Belphegor goes back to being relevant, same with new Rune and Daria. The old Dragon one should be fine if you want Forte.

>>184073808
>sibylnigger
>anything but the most malignant form of cancer

>>184073773
If Turn 9 exists for Neutral Sword then you already fucked up. Get good.

>>184074006
Nothing is worse than neutralshit right now.

>>184074006
Oh that retard again. Maybe you should get gud in this game little fag.

>>184074006
t.ungasword

>>184073960
I agree with everything except

>new sword
>new blood
New Sword has Albert and Fangblade. It's not worth the money imo. Same thing for New Blood, there's Belphegor and that's it, the other gold cards are bad.

>>184074113
Sybil is just one card which severs no purpose afterwards, there's nothing cancer about it.

>>184074136
>>184074208
Mature arguments from the mature dragon playerbase as always

>>184074006
I didn't even draw Sibyl that game, buttmad neutralnigger.

>>184074246
>New Sword has Albert
That's why I say it is worth it. It has the absolute staple of Sword that has been carrying the class for 3 expansions.

Alice is just one card that serves no purpose afterwards, there's nothing cancer about it

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>Luna, Mordecai and now Cerb
Why can't I hold all these leaders?

>>184074840
>boost your entire hand
>8/8 Hectar
>4/4 Lyrial
>3/4 goblin leader
Etc

>>184074873
>Shadow has 3 decent leaders
>Blood has a gaylord, discord incarnate and seiyu cancer
It's not fair.

>>184074246
Compared to that shitty turtle, it's much better. Ask those who bought 3 of the old prebuilts on an impulse.

>>184075041
urias is better than both though

>>184075007
If a constant 3 damage heal serves no purpose after t5, a 1/1 buff the the few cards in your hand serves no purpose after t4 so it can't be broken

>>184075106
He is, but he still isn't good. I wanted Soul Dealer.

>>184075228
good taste

>>184075053
>>184074790
Compare that to the Shadow or Dragon prebuilts. You get much more than just a staple, you get the good golds around that staple. It's not a good investment, it's best to craft Albert with vials than spend 2k crystals (real money) to get him.

>>184074873
I'm just glad I don't have to use that stupid bitch Luna anymore. I can use a cute doggo now.

>>184075041
>gaylord
Rude, he just wants to TATAKAE

>>184075176
One's oppressing the opponent since the start while the other isn't. Sybil just fuck Dragon's pull and evolve points (if any) she also doesn't help to flood the board or bring a real comeback. Alice however is a centered deck.

>>184075932
They are literally one turn apart and are equally oppressive and over-valued
Cut the mental gymnastics dragonnigger

>>184075361
Good point, but if you really want to start on sword, Ikuzo is the way to go.

>>184076051
Dragon needs finishes to win, it isn't Sybil nor Fever that will do that.

>>184076102
I'm not denying that. IKUZO is the most important Sword card by far. The prebuilt doesn't even give a "start", just the most expensive Sword staple.

>>184076375
Blood needs finishes to win, it isn't Tove nor Alice that will do that

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>>184076640
>it isn't Tove nor Alice that will do that
D0?

>>184057863
Aerin
White Ridge Asshole
Winter Caprice
Jabberwock
Cerberus
-
Themis

>>184076802
Tove won't close out the game so that means it's balanced :)

>>184075041
WAGA MUNE NI HIKARI WO CHIKARA NI KAETE!!!

>>184076640
I bet you're a Swordbab since Shadow, Rune and Haven can all deal easily with Sybil or any turn 5 follower such as Feena. Oh wait, COCK and 2pp destroy a follower can easily outvalue Sybil, as well as Tove trading into Sybil without spending any EP, oh my.

>>184076375
Enablers are more problematic than finishers. They become staples that narrow deck construction and give decks life enough that your finisher can just be changed out. I don't think enablers should all be removed or anything since decks should have some life, but they need to be balanced and hit more than the finishers do.

Using Blood as an example, Spawn has not made Aggro Blood or Control Blood top tier. People bitch about him but he's not the problem isolated.

Neutral Blood on the other hand can remove Spawn and it's still cancer with Phantom Cat added. The Neutral part of the engine shared with other decks isn't game breaking, but it's obnoxious and warps the meta as a whole.

>>184076896
>jabberwock
I don't think you get what standalone means. Should be Sybil for dragon.

>Fairy Princess
>Only reason she won because she was voiced by KanaHana

Fucking ayy. No wonder they said the industry is done.

>>184077073
Nope those don't count because they're not finishers sorry, that was the agreement. Nothing can matter if it's not a finisher.

>>184077163
Ah yea, forgot. Very sleepy right now, should be sybil or ouro. Jabberwock could finish game in 6 turn otk if lucky enough

>>184077256
>Still touting this meme
She's a very popular character in RoB, same as Dark General

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>>184077256
You my friend, think pantyshot and fairy royal grade navel.

>>184057863
Aerin
Alberto
Old Levi
Sybil
Khawy
Sabreur
Themis

>>184077256
She is just lucky that May, Liza, and Lily is not included as forest candidates by Kikegames

>>184077256
Forest didn't have Ancient elf, May or Liza. FP was like the best option on the poll

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>>184077586
>>184077692
>anomaly over any of those 3
Clearly they are hamming it up with memes.

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Who would vote for roach leader here?

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>>184077728
>this faggot over any of those
I honestly don't understand how someone could've made a poll so bad. It must've been KMR himself, since he hates Forest.

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>>184071289

Bellies are cute

>>184077803
Honestly roach probably would have won if it were an option. Anomaly got third place and the top two were fairly divided. Forest's most iconic wincon would have a good chance of winning.

>>184077692
ROSE QUEEN.

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>>184077803

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>>184077692
>>184077586

>No Liza or May

I'm so fucking mad about this still.

Guys I'm really scare after the nerf we will just go back to Shadow vs Aegis meta ...

>>184077917
THICC

>>184078159
There never was a Shadow vs Aegis meta.

>>184078159
I don't think anything is strong enough to beat haven's current bullshit if the aggressive neutral package is gone

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>>184078325

>>184078254
In tournament, yes.

>>184078325
Vengeance Blood could make a comeback

>>184077459
>>184077586
>>184077692

Oh come on, you all know that Rose Queen is far superior than Fairy Princess in the poll. Even Cynthia and Aerin are better.

If AE, May, Liza and Lily are in the poll, Liza should be the one getting it no questions ask.

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>>184078325

>>184078407
I want to hatefuck this infuriating whore

>>184078325
There're a lot of decks that can beat Haven, the problem is that they lose to the neutral package. Once that's gone we'll be seeing DShift, face aggro and ramp decks again.

>>184077154
Unfortunately, Sybil doesn't actually enable shit, don't tutor, don't draw cards. All she does is recovery a little from the early curve punishment, bonus Play Point does nothing for you if you don't have a hand to play with or tempo. This has been said before but when playing ramp you either do one thing or another, there are few options other than Bahamut to deal with multiple overstated followers. And you can have so much finishers in your hand, you're probably fucked if anything backfire.

>>184078897
>enables ramp
>a pseudo-ward that must be removed the turn it's played
>on curve stats to enable board presence
Yes it enables a fucking lot, mental gymnastics dragonchild
>but what about these specific situations where it doesn't enable EVERYTHING? can't you understand my suffering??

>>184078051

What happened to Liza? Why is she a blood card now?

Unfortunately, Tove doesn't actually enable shit, don't tutor, don't draw cards. All he does is remove a little from the early curve punishment, bonus rush does nothing for you if you don't have a neutral in hand to play with or tempo. This has been said before but when playing blood you either do one thing or another, there are no options to deal with multiple overstatted followers. And you can have so much finishers in your hand, you're probably fucked if anything backfire.

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Is it too late to be a shadownugger?

>>184079142
>>a pseudo-ward that must be removed the turn it's played
Any follower is a pseudo ward dumb, you don't just keep your opponent's Levi alive or some other apparently useless shit. But you trade 'em anyway. My feeling got nothing to do with Dragon, I don't need to be a cuck to talk about it.

>>184078897
>>184079454
>this terrible english
Are all dragon players this illiterate? I guess that explains them being collectively underage

>>184079454
Stop replying to him. He is a shitposter that ruins entire threads by calling people "children" and doing shit like >184079381

>>184079664
Get a trip.

>>184079454
Not everything needs to be traded, especially when playing aggressively. Sibyl absolutely needs to be removed or your opponent heals to full. Wards are officially a useless mechanic because all followers need to be traded at all times. Thanks for your insightful game knowledge and proving that you're literally C rank.

>>184079681
Yes I'm sure everyone who disagrees with you is the same person

>>184079454
theres no point talking with a sensible argument to a retard on a anonymous chinese gook onion imageboard anon.

>>184077856
My gf voted for him.

So he got at least one vote.

>>184079664
the irony

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88722

I need a private concede, please.

>>184079806
Fuck off

>>184079681
>>184079806
>>184079896
Nice argument, thanks for proving my point
Guess dragon kiddies can't form a coherent argument

>>184079951
>but... no u!
Yep, all dragon players are underaged, literally proven right here and now. Thanks for that

>ungas still crying about sybil

>>184080076
Her stats are too high.

>>184079887
>Yes I'm sure everyone who disagrees with you is the same person
It's not everyone who disagrees with me. I don't even agree with >>184079454 in the first place.
He in particular just makes insanely obnoxious posts and just ruins the thread everytime he appears. He doesn't even make an effort to use different words or insults. Just look at this >>184080067

>>184080076
I play tempo elf and never see Sybil as a problem. Sure having a heal and ramp on a good body is not easy to deal with, however Sybil is the least of my worry compare to other broken shits that dragon has.

>>184080076
Reminder that only unga can complain about overstatted healing
There is not a single non-unga class in the game that aims to bring the enemy's defense to 0. Only seraph is allowed to be played or else it's le unga boogeyman

Honestly, all cards should heal your leader at the end of your turn equal to their attack. Only unga babs would complain about it, right?

>>184080076
You will cry again soon. Dragon will be the strongest deck once blood and neutrals are nerfed.

>>184079887
>Sibyl absolutely needs to be removed or your opponent heals to full.
>Goblin, Lyrial, Leader, Alice, Hectar doesn't
>Tove, Bloods Cudgel, Scarlett doesn't
>Aria and Tin Soldier doesn't
>game surviving though absolutely need and is "unfair"

>>184080067
Seriously, get a trip.

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Forest confirmed Tier 1.

>>184080270
Yeah and you're contributing highly to the thread by spamming offtopic replies and accusations to everyone trying to discuss anything dragon-related as if they were this boogeyman of yours

Kill yourself

>>184080415
Putting everything else aside, Leader is the card the Japs were complaining the most about. Even Spawn doesn't generate as much salt.

>>184080353
I wouldn't mind a dragon meta. In fact, I think they shouldn't nerf Lightning blast.

>Lightning blast board
>It is filled by Eachtar again

It is not that strong tbqh since you have to dedicate your whole turn to do it. If you don't have a body on the board you are fucked next turn anyway.

>>184080581
Not everyone has a card like Eachtar, and Eachtar shouldn't have been a card in the first place.

>>184080581
>play anything other than Shadow
>get LB'd
>you're fucked

Yeah, that seems like a shit fucking idea to bring back LB.

>>184080443
Stop encouraging shitposting you retarded newfag.

>>184080415
I never said they weren't, the neutral package is obviously broken as shut but sibyl is the same kind of busted pseudo-ward overstatted cancer

And the only one of those that absolutely needs to be controlled and removed immediately is leader, which is beyond broken. Like lucifer, there's a need to remove it as soon as possible or you lose an insane amount of tempo.

>>184080676
It makes it easier to filter him.

>>184080581
Lightning Breath was an awful design. It's meta-warping, straight up keeps a lot of weaker decks out of the meta and effectively forces people to play other bullshit like Eachtar to be relevant.

>>184080468
>Turn 9
>100% battery
This stop my suspension of disbelief.

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>>184079348
>What happened to Liza? Why is she a blood card now?

She got raped.

>>184080468
>Neutral mirror
At least they know their game well.

>>184080762
It would create way more shitposting that you can't filter, though.

>play the 35 match winstreak meme Dragon deck
>5 match winstreak
>matched against Blood
>lose
>7 match winstreak
>matched against Blood
>lose
There is no fucking way that 35 match winstreak shit is real.

>>184080861
delet

>>184081195
he got lucky on the queue ups didnt you see his twitter? Not a single row of fucking blood in it

>>184081195
Anyone can get lucky. Need I remind you someone got a 30 game streak with roach in pre-nerf ToG

>>184080512
I'd complain too when 2 neutral commanders are scheduled to popout on turn 4.

>>184080512
Nips are retarded. The problem are the buffers, not Leader. Leader is just a slightly better Ascetic Knight without Alice and Feria, which isn't anything special seeing as how, even though he is Neutral, no deck plays him outside of decks that make use of the Neutral engine. Meanwhile, Alice and Feria are still absolutely broken even without Leader. Leader just has good synergy with them.

>>184080861
This vile creature who defiled a child of the forest should be tortured and killed. Also all people who are related to the blood should be killed too.

>>184081892
>3pp summon 2 bodies
>don't kill it right away
>3pp summon 3 bodies
You're right, but you gotta admit he generates too much value for a 3-drop. I don't know if he deserves a nerf when the buffers go away, but he powercreeps a good amount of aggressive class 3-drops imo.

>>184080754
You just accepted that Sybil is just another card, my post doesn't only mention neutral. If a card like Sybil force a braindead to do some decision making once in a while, that's fine with me.

Quick question for /svg/ blood players using spawn decks. If you guys have a baphomet turn 2 would you use it if you do not have any 2 drops? Or wait for turn 5?

>>184078051
>>184080861
muh dick

>>184082274
Yes. I'd keep it against Dragon since they're very vulnerable to a T5 bapho into T6 spawn, but any other class, you need the body for tempo imo.

>>184082548
How about Haven? They seem to always have too much amulets on board for me to need to do anything.

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3 day(s) before Blood tier 4

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This deck is delivering some surprisingly decent results.

>>184082648
>tier 4 when Kys still exists the 2nd most broken deck in the game after midrange shadow

>>184082114
He is a good card with good value, but he isn't broken or anything. He is trash going second, he is nothing special outside of turn 3. Even the free 1/2 ends up sometimes doing nothing, it can barely trade or deal significant face damage. The extra Goblin doesn't even get buffed a follow up Alice.
The problem is that, thanks to Feria and Alice, you can't ignore a single follower on their board or they just snowball out of control. You left that Goblin live? Now that mere 1 drop has the stats of a 3 drop. Oh, you couldn't kill him again? Now he is a 4 drop.

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Beauty and the Beast is fucking retarded

>>184082648
I've never been a Blood player but I feel bad for the guys who've stuck with it for ages, play an actual Blood list instead of a Neutral list that rapes the craft identity, and are going to get hit by nerfs in the peripheral.

>>184082646
Play it. You won't cheese them with a T6 Spawn (unless you finish them with the evo), but you can bet on the chip damage/momentum in the early game to get a kill on T8. The early game is the only moment where you can expect a card to live the turn.

Honestly, having played Spawn from 6k to GM, Spawn generally with a good early game, good chip damage and a T6 Spawn evo with 8 burn damage. It's like Aggro Shadow but Bapho Spawn is like Cerb Howl. Except that Cerb tutors Howl in this case, which is why it's broken.

>>184082825
>turn 6 play in turn4verse

>>184082935
Spawn generally wins with*

>>184082829
Blood has been cancer since aggro bats. Bloody Mary was utter shit but also a no-fun stupid combo. Blood is just straight up triggering no matter what they play.

>>184083102
Nerf Yurius?

>>184082829
Of the cards likely to see nerfs BKB and Spawn are not fine in any way and the rest is just part of the neutral package. I don't care if some Blood loyals get "hit" as collateral damage. They don't get a free pass on having retarded broken cards.

>>184082829

KYS and control blood won't be affected.

>>184083257
Its very balanced, can be removed with most 2 drop removal and the card itself dont have self reduction, unlike tove.

>>184083315
Wrong. Yurius is overstatted and needs to be nerfed.

>>184083257
He's powerful you know
http://usamin.love/card/yurius_levin_duke/j_attack.wav
http://usamin.love/card/yurius_levin_duke/e_evolve.wav

>>184083365
I never understood the "Yurius is overstatted" thing. I could understand if someone thought he was broken even if I disagreed, but his stat line is absolutely in line with the game standard.

>>184083493
Were you here at the start of RoB?

>>184083493
Because he is a 2pp 1 3 no 2 drop should have more than defense

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>turn 7
>le Dreadsea into 9/11 dragon into Arriet/Urd
And yet dragoniggers will still cry about Saha+Baha+ Zell combo getting nerfed when an even more broken and more consistent combo exists

>>184080076
>Complaining about dragon having 50hp

>>184083493
>never understood the "Yurius is overstatted"
Shadowniggers and elfscum. I don't mind it since blood was full of faggots.

>>184083521
I was and I remember how good he was. I also remember how he stopped being so good once the typical early-expansion aggro match ups were sorted out.

And even if he is broken, let's assume that hypothetically, it's not by being overstated. 1/3 with a conditional trigger is absolutely normal, strictly speaking.

>>184082825
Just play curve followers It can't take two hits

>>184083694
Yurius is fine. We have Teatime as the current "X is overstatted" meme. It's no use talking about it, some people like to complain about specific cards.

>>184083694
He is good card against swam decks like sword,aggro bat,forest and shadow.

He will be back whenever these crafts start to have relevance

>>184083694
Yurious stopped being good when aggro blood more or less did. The spotlight didn't last that much for him.

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Your days are numbered, bloodfags.

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Holy fuck, /ourguy/ is back!

>>184084104
Who the fuck is that?

>>184084104
MOMM I POSTED LEDDIT

>>184083257
>>184083365
But he's powerless.

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>>184083559
Does desert rider's bodyguard trigger you then?

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>>184084104

>>184084230
No more! >>184083449

>>184084104
>celebrating your 21st birthday on a livestream
pathetic
i celebrated mine alone getting angry at dota

>>184083643
>more broken and more consistent combo
It just deals more damage. I'd throw away Dreadmeme without thinking twice for pre-nerf Zell.
Dread Queen and Arriet/Urd are near useless or very situational outside of the combo. Most builds I've seen don't even play Arriet/Urd because of the bricks and would rather just use Zeus+Genesis. Meanwhile, Zell is a 2/2/2 that you can use in the early game to trade into aggro, since it's a match up where you know holding onto an evolve is pretty hard, Saha is Saha and Bahamut is Bahamut. Zell could also just be used with Ouro for another stupidly big amount of burst.
Playing Dread Queen with multiple big Storms doesn't give you space to run the Saha engine, that is much more effective at keeping you alive and helping you stabilize against your worst match ups.
SahaBahaZell can be used at pretty much any moment in the match, since it comes at no cost, and leaves you with a 4/4 and a 4/4 Rush. On the other hand, you can pretty only drop Queen as a finisher because she discards your entire fucking hand.
Even the extra damage from Queen isn't even that relevant considering that SahaBahaZell was 90% of the time a guaranteed win anyways since dealing the rest of the damage with Zeus/Genesis or Ouroboros/Isra poke was insanely easy.
Dread Queen combo is dumb and strong as fuck, but Zell was much worse, and anyone saying that the nerf was unfair or that it should be reverted is fucking retarded.

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One day left, guys.

>>184084104
>Haha look at me guys, I drank some alcohol! I'm so cool!!
Fuck off loser

>>184084319
As for me I ain't that old however I don't even have sure about my age anymore. Every year I forget what it's.

>>184084482
Naisu postu.

Wasn't very strong wasn't very usable

"Why did you have to change it?"

It left a big impact

And now it's here

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>>184084319
>tfw drank and watched Hidamari Sketch
>>184084482
In summary, fuck Dragon

>>184080861
What power does Liza has and why Zain is trying to steal it?

>>184084482
Zell needed evolve point fuck you. And Saha deck was a brick fest. I suggest you to think about it a little more.

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So I just crafted 3 belphegors and 3 soul dealers because I hate myself. Does anyone have a kys dick that they're content with? Pic related is what I'm running, but I'm not sure what the progression should be like. Should I add a 1-drop? So far the ideal curve for me seemed to be t1 do nothing, t2 wolf/yurius, t3 devil, t4 belph. Also, should i be playing soul dealers at t4, or save them for the t7 laura combo? Do I even include them at all? I also sometimes accidentally myself. Plz help :(.

>>184084763
is that show good? i heard positive things from someone i respect

>>184084860
>Zell needed evolve point fuck you
It wasn't hard to hold onto an evo point. Dragon didn't have anything that they particularly needed to spend an evolve point on. You also could combo as soon as turn 6.
>And Saha deck was a brick fest
Every Dragon deck is a brickfest. That doesn't mean anything. Also, if you are trying to imply that the Saha build wasn't the best Dragon build on pre-nerf ToG, just stop posting and go finish your A rank trials.

>>184085141
kiss and laura are both really bad soul dealer doesn't even need to be in there no bkb or scarlet is questionable

>>184084860
Does it matter when Saha Baha Zell came stright 13 face damage turn 6

>>184085251
The direction makes a mundane thing visually interesting, the voice acting is good too. If you don't like slice of life you won't like it, regardless
>>184085141
>3 Laura
>3 Dealer
>2 Emeralda
Brick town: population, you

>>184084843
he is a pedo

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>>184080861
He really only wanted his dead waifu and elf/Liza magic iirc. Liza is a really nice girl so she fit the replacement bit. Luckily Hero, Titania, Daria, Yuel and friends managed to get her outta there. But don't worry about Zain, he's a shota now and friends with Liza. He's got a rough case of amnesia in the meantime and is figuring out stuff again, I hope he's remembered his sweetheart by now

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>>184085141
>2x razory claw
3 razory claw in every Blood deck, my man