/mggg/ - Monster Girl Games General #155

>>183997237
OPPAI
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I WANT TO PROTECT LUKA!!

>>183997378
Don't worry, Luka is super safe with his mommy.

Too bad mermaids are a shitty race...

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>>183997502
https://pastebin.com/QQaVgXa3

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Is there a way to translate the names of your characters using Dargoth's translation tool or do I have to do it manually?

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>>183997629
http://exhentai.org/g/581098/0e6cd408ff/
http://exhentai.org/g/671438/9cfbf44f4d/
http://exhentai.org/g/749499/500b0e94ab/

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>>183997681
*I meant the names in the save file

>>183997681
I believe the patch attaches a trigger somewhere in-game that updates them. I think it might have been when you talk to the job change priest.

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Make way for best girl

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I want Jingaimamo on my dick and Shikimamo on my face!

>>183998153
Cute! I think Eden trained her whole life to fight her sisters.

Reminder that the succ sisters couldn't even take Alma Elma alone and needed to gang up on her.

>>183998247
I don't think the sisters know kung-fu

>>183998296
What disappointing succubus

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>>183997961
Ah yes, you are right. Thank a lot.

>>183998510
Their sex-fu is superior though

>>183998296
True but when Alma struck an actual fighting pose you'd think that would have clued Lilith in that this wasn't going to be easy.

Minagi is still much stronger than Alma so it doesn't matter
It's all up to Luka to defeat everyone in the end

I want to bully Rami's Rammies with my mouth

>>183998775
We're making fun of the Lilith sisters her minagi is irrelevant

>>183998247

Alma ain't going to be shit compared to part 3 power boosted Rami, she's gonna literally get blown out

reminder that paradox luka isn't as strong as VN Luka and doesn't have a 10th of his character.

>>183998885
At least make fun of Morrighan's small boobies
There's nothing shameful in favoring sex techniques as they do. If anything, Alma is the weird one

How do you do the lolistein vampire quest?

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>>183998885
Minagi should be the biggest titcow.

>>183999219

Good because we're spending time on all the other characters instead of rebuilding a character we already know

I assume you're easily capable of trouncing Nanabi and the Armor on a new game plus, what happens to Nero and Neris's scenes if you do, does the game still play out like you lost?

>>183999331
In the first case, Neris remarks that she didn't have to get involved like she thought she would. In the latter, Alice/Ilias are visibly confused that you won.

>>183999254
That doesn't look right to me, here's how I'd estimate it
team cow: Lilith, Rami
team huge: Astaroth, Alma
team big: Nun, Eva, Saki-chan kira~, Sara
team smol: Morrighan, Naccubus
team flat: Chrome, Remi, Rumi

Also you should update this and include part2 girls

>>183999313
Who is we? Are you Torotoro?

>>183999219
Was VN Luka a vampire ?
No. And that's why Paradox Luka is better.

>>183999243
>If anything, Alma is the weird one
Morrigan battle talk disagrees

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>>183998153
I wish that whoever made this would make a version with eden and her sisters

>>183999313
>time on all the other characters
>Sonya and Ilias
I get that being an hgame protagonist requires you to be a blank slate, but paradox Luka literally exists to be rapebait.

So, how does Frendenz's request scene play out?

>>183999965
>pls rape me
>affection check
>10: eh okay but you don't seem ready for my vagina so I rub you with butt
>50: okay, I'll ride you
>100: okay, stick it in
>Luka misses and sticks it in her pooper
>she doesn't mind
She's really cool about it, but not enthusiastic at all, and always stops after the first orgasm

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Reminder that I have the real pastebin

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>>184000176
https://pastebin.com/AvCBLMh4

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>>184000176
>>184000359

stop spamming

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>>184000359
http://exhentai.org/g/581098/0e6cd408ff/
http://exhentai.org/g/671438/9cfbf44f4d/
http://exhentai.org/g/749499/500b0e94ab/

>>184000139
She does seem rather cool for an elf. I wonder if Valkyrie has mellowed out in this world,too.

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>>184000176
>>184000359
>>184000524
Do you think this will be scanned?
https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/detail/detail.php?product_id=266402

>>183999313
A fan of the sacred and profane approach I see.

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>>183997502
>>183997629
>>183997787

>>184000176
>>184000359
>>184000371
>>184000524
What the fuck
One of you was bad enough.

>>184001636
From what I've heard the person who scanned the last one won't be likely to scan this one. And I heard it sells out rather quickly, so I have my doubts.
Hope for the best as usual.

>>184001628
>wonder if Valkyrie has mellowed out in this world,too.
She did
She plays with polar bear girls in secret from Eden, and carries out her execution by 10000 years of rape only at nights

>>184001636
>>184002095
I'll try asking him, but not high hopes on that, also yes, it sells pretty fast, last time it was sold out on the day the sales started. The bounty is up as last time, let's hope it's scanned

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That's a very nice soul you have there.

>>184001636
haha what you the fuck is this
they're hanging out in a stomach like it's a hot spring
and you fucks fap to this ??

https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=63399314

>>184003301
Nobody said it was a fetish we're proud of

>>183863797
Whew. In case anyone still cares I went through the trouble of cataloging all* of the untranslated skills. Do note that it focuses primarily on what they're called and what they do and thus, aren't up to the usual standard the "official" patches and bitbucket provide.

*Goddess' Apostle and Corrupted/Fallen Hero not included due to being outright unobtainable (I don't know if the item is even in the data) and no one having it. Granted, Quadruple Giga and Element Spica can be learned by the latter.

https://pastebin.com/YPh1XXGp

>>184003301
What always confuses me is who they're identifying with, the eater or the devoured.

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>>184003301

>>184001636
sample: https://e-hentai.org/g/1089683/56b1dfd951/

>>184003593
some people with the one eating, some with the one being eaten and some as observers

>>184003696
I don't get what this is supposed to prove.

>>184003696
>not same-sized
Nah

>>184003769
nothing

>>184003839
there are 32 stories, some of them are same size

>>184003696
>some as observers
Cuckolds??

>>184004405
from what I've saw, having a girl eating someone and fucking her is an example

>>184004572
Who is doing the fucking in that scenario?

>>184004847
the observer

>>184004909
They're not observers in that case, that's participating.

>>184005091
they aren't eating or being eaten, they are observers considering only the vore aspect

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>>184002551
I Love You Archangel Ariel!

>>184005297
Do they fuck before or after the vore?

>>184002234
nice, I wonder if anything happens if you bring Morrigan or Natasha Luddic village Lily's quest there is untranslated but going by her expressions and the excalimation points, she's pretty pissed off about what those women went through

>>184005748
after
if you really are interested, take a look at aryon/eka

>>184005829
apparently her and pochi's quest were low dargoth's priority yet paintgeists was for some reason.

>>184005829
I don't know about Morrigan but Natasha was the girl who covered that box with "die".

>>184005996
That's still participating.

>>184006146
Wait a minute, didn't we meet her before the sisters showed up,then or was that a different girl? You know a town is bad when Luka,Sonya and IIias, especially IIias express nothing but disgust for it and Promestien won't even bother talking to these morons.I hope IIias really does go through with making the so called mayor of that place have a special type of hell if she ever gets her power back.

>>184006486
The mayor's dead dude, that one guy who Natasha was after was the only person who escaped from the village.
Luddite Village still exists in Angel World though.

>>184006701
Oh,godI am not looking forward to going to angel world or monster world, shit seems grim all around

>>184006701
And Pornof in Monster World

>>184006146
Yeah it's explained that the box was used for transporting stuff in and out of the village so she would write messages begging for on it in hope that someone outside the village would see it and come help.

But that went on for a while and no help ever came but she kept writing shit on it because that was all she could ever do.

>>183984231
>that's how it was intended to be, else the impossibility of the first zone wouldn't make any sense for just the hardest mode playable from the start if you so choose
Except Torotoro said that wasn't intentional and changed it. Also once again, Paradox was in the game (And beaten) before NG+ was patched in. You can't seriously believe that Paradox is a NG+ difficulty because the 92 HP slimes on the mountain require you to gain some levels first. If the slime's were turned to level 24+ character levels at the start THEN you would have a leg to stand on.

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Where is Salamander in MGQP2? I searched the entire volcano past the gate that the king opens. The volcano with the girl stuck in the chest in the lava right? I swear, I can't find her at all.

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>>183998162
Why are there 2 tamamos now

>>184007894
That's the dungeon with Orichalcon not Salamander

>>184008053
Two dicks are better than one

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Were bike shorts what caused Spatsune to be smug?

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>>184008187
What do you mean two dicks

>>184008185
Holy fuck I'm autistic. How did I miss the actual fucking volcano.

>>184009192
Anon please. You're stupid, not autistic. There is a big difference.

>>184007217
I see, god that's depressing hope she's alright even if you don't side with her, I doubt she'll have h scenes in the castle as it sounds like it'd go against her character

>in the monster world, all the water spots have been turned into lava pits
That's one way to keep humans in check.

>>184009786
You mean Fanta pits.

>>183999219
Actually, I came to talk about that. Just defeated both Alma Elma and all three forms of Black Alice with Luka alone, all in two turns. By the way, I haven't grinded all the third tier jobs and I wasn't even a third tier race as I was grinding the Vampire races. And this before he even goes to Hellgondo.

Comparatively? VN Luka is the better character. Paradox Luka would kick VN Luka's ass twenty ways to Sunday. At this point saying VN Luka is stronger is laughable

>>184007032
>the boy breathlessly ran as fast as his legs could take him, his heart thundering in his chest as he tried to escape. Escaping from his monster owner was a daunting task, and his once numerous party dwindled to only him. Their fates were seared into his eyes, he could still see them when he blinked; men eaten whole, drained into desiccated corpses, forever leashed to their masters all with a smile on their face as the pleasure was forced upon them.
>Behind him, he could hear the pants of the beast monsters chasing him. They were toying with him now, waiting until he exhausted himself before dragging him kicking and screaming. But he was so close, the mythical human controlled town was just beyond the clearing he was in.
>He ran for his life, managing to break through the foliage in his path and making for the buildings in the distance. But as fate would have it, an errant rock in his path caused him to trip just before the city gates. More than the feelings of dread that filled the boy in that moment, it was failure. The victorious hoops and cries of the monster horde following him only added to his shame.
>all of a sudden, a shot echoed through the night. A blonde man stepping through the open gate carrying a musket was the source. "Colonel, you're in the way! You need to move!" someone shouted behind him. "Foolishness..." he replied while removing his glasses.
>There was a blur, before all of the monsters cried out in suprise. A mostly naked white haired man appeared, his hands filled with the undergarments of the monsters. "It's him!" they shrieked.
>A man with red hair helps the boy up. "Stand Proud." he solemnly spokewhile bobbing a cherry around his tongue.
>A regal elderly japanese man takes his hand and leads him into the town. "Victims. Victims of a transitional period of morality. That is what we both certainly are."
>The silver haired man puts the panties on his head and several in his mouth. "Welcome to Pornof. You can drop the f."

>>184009848
>soda left out in the sun for over a thousand years
I'll take the lava.

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Guys what is your favourite Tamamo?

>>184009954
There is a big gameplay vs canon difference there. Paradox Luka is meant to have a party and VN Luka solos a majority of his game excluding part 3 which most of the time he only gets 1 attack or heal to help.

>>184010312
MGQ version Loli Tamamo.

>>184010312
Shikimamo!

>>184009494
She's fine with sex. She just really hates her tormentors.

>>184009954
You beat did 4 million damage to Black Alice in two turns with a character that can't use consecutive action and doesn't have anyone to help him buff?
And you managed to solo Alma Elma in two turns while not using Clara or buffing yourself against her many status effects?

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>>184009954
>it's another "my 9999 stat Luka is canon" episode

>>184009954
haha oh yeah well my Luka beat Lucifina in the LoC solo he is totes Ilias tier in Paradox guys mirite

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>>184010312

>>184009954
Yeah I call bullshit.

>>184010490
So what are her scenes or scene with Luka like?
>>184010353
Well, isn't Paradox Luka capable of fighting slime girls on his own with just a normal sword at the very beginning while VN Luka was so bad he had to resort to that awful Fail Wildly move?

>>184010353
Oh god, are we really going to go into this again? No. At this point it's solely trolling.

VN Luka is weaker than Paradox Luka. I dont even think it's possible to argue otherwise. At this point honestly he might even be as strong or stronger than VN Luka at the end of part 3 with the exception of Quadruple Giga and Element Spica.

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>>183997583
>meia is a retarded cheating hypocrite
>laura wanted to give all of her blood to her husbando and got so angry when he died she just kept sending storms towards the port

>>184010886
>Well, isn't Paradox Luka capable of fighting slime girls on his own with just a normal sword at the very beginning while VN Luka was so bad he had to resort to that awful Fail Wildly move?
He didn't need to gang up on the spirits unlike horrible Paradox Luka that needs Sonya, Ilias/Alice, and slaves.

>>184009974
Pornof ! Fuck yeah ! Coming again to save the motherfucking day yeah !

Pornof best town confirmed.

>>184010353
>>184010894
Gameplay isn't an indicator of strength as the story plays out regardless if you one shot everyone on the first turn or barely win with one hp left. The only comparison is story feats.

>>184011065
Yeah and even then he ends up coming/dying in like 2 blows.

>>184011262
Nah dude, when they ran into ancestor Tamamo Luka literally could have soloed her they just pretended to lose because they thought it would be more fun that way

>>184011034
God, Laura hits all of my strike zones.
Immediately surrendered in both the VN and Paradox.

>>184010490
Luka was level 60, with theBerserker class and Vampire Kunoichi.

I had the Frenzy mask equipped. Henrich sword, Zantetsuken, Great pirate helm, Enriken shirt++++ , a bunch of skills focused solely on sword and holy boosters for the heavenly sword skill. I also made sure to have the 30 percent crit rate skill and high berserker.

With everything on I have 9999 attack. No buffs, no status effects. I didn't cheat engine any seeds or anything like that.

If it means anything I was suprised I did so well as well. I thought for sure I would lose when I tested if Luka could beat Black Alice.

Berserk stuff is OP.

>>184011034
Meia isn't a cheater or a hypocrite. Laura just wanted to be with her husbando but the townspeople literally decided to punish the person keeping him alive, so it's understandable why she would be angry.

>>184011474
Do you like emo/goth chicks, cold tuna bitches or fatty fish tummies?

>>184011659
>Meia isn't a cheater or a hypocrite
She is in canon.

>>184011783
None of those apply to Queen mermaid.

>>184011659
>isn't a cheater
>fucks someone aside from her husband
>isn't a hypocrite
>gets mad when she thinks her husband is fucking someone aside from her
haha what

>>184011806
>>184011923
She doesn't love Luka so it's not cheating.
>shocked that a monster would give a blowjob
What game do you think this is?

>>184011262
So then it is literally impossible to compare is what you're saying? Then why the fuck did the dude bring it up in the first place? I wasn't the one to start the bullshit VN-Paradox comparison. But if people are going to compare the characters then they need take everything into account or shut the fuck up about it.

>>184012058
Love doesn't have anything to do with it, she fucked someone that isn't the person she's in a relationship with.

>>184012058
2/10 made me reply

>>184012058
So if your wife fucks someone else it's fine as long as she loves you but not him?

>>184012076
>Then why the fuck did the dude bring it up in the first place?

Did you actually read that post? It was brought up to troll obviously. What the fuck did you think it was brought up for?

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Newfag question about rpgmaker here, don't know where else to post,
Does anyone here know how to fix this ? I'm trying to get to work the patched MGQP with Nekorpgxp on android that does support rpgmaker vx ace, but i don't get how to fix this.
The reason is because i don't have time to open my pc.

>>184012076
>Take everything into account
Gameplay isn't a narrative measure of a character , it's purely to test the competency of the player.

>>184012286
If she has her husband's approval then it can't be cheating.

>>184012286
>>184012396
She didn't even fuck him, it was just a blowjob. Torotoro doesn't consider this sex as during all the Alice sex scenes she makes a point of using her hands, tail, or tongue so Luka doesn't sperg about breaking the commandments. She even uses her human form when actually having sex with him the first time.

>>184012753
So it's not cheating if your wife sucks dicks behind your back?

>>184012408
To compare the characters? Why else? And if it was purely trolling people wouldn't be replying to me. Apparently, people DO care enough about it.

>>184012485
Then it's literally impossible to find out how powerful EITHER characters are then if you are completely ignoring all gameplay mechanics.

Fuck it. Alright then. My apologies then, no one cares about comparing the characters.

I'm just going to assume from now on that Paradox Luka is always stronger than VN Luka, no need to argue anymore.

>>184012727
Her husband doesn't know about it.
>>184012753
>lol i just sucked his dick it wasn't cheating hahahahah
Also yes she literally does fuck him.

>>184011653
Interesting, I didn't expect the Berserker accessories to stack with the Berserker abilities.
I doubt having a Berserker dude would be that useful in the LoC 2 and you'll end up with more damage done overall with a conventional character using scrolls, but I still want to test it.

And even Luka being a manwhore isn't cheating on Sonya because he's not in love with those monsters and angels, through I struggle to see if he's even in love with Sonya.

>>184012952
If she was literally a monster that survives on semen, I wouldn't be suprised.

>>184013025
I don't know if they do. I just did it anyway, just in case. I don't know if it would be helpful if you were to do it in LoC but it makes the story fights trivially easy. I use a Levia, Sara, Luka, Alice party and give them the best weapons and armor possible and then equip them with frenzy masks. They do godly damage.

>>184013060
Of course it's not cheating, he isn't going out with Sonya. If he was then it would be.
>>184013247
Good thing absolutely no monsters need semen to live.

>>184012969
>Then it's literally impossible to find out how powerful EITHER characters are then if you are completely ignoring all gameplay mechanics.

What are you talking about. You use canon story feats.

>>184013249
And to confirm, you were playing on Paradox, right?

I am angry about Epee girls getting no new scenes

I wonder if luka is going to have some blueball problems due to all the heavy petting he gets from those battlefuckers, somehow I get the feeling if those scenes are canon it's canon Luka didn't get to cum.

>>184013581
He just quickly goes into the pocket castle and asks Lime, and the Imps or kitsunes to solve that.

>>184011653
So Paradox Luka is only stronger if he's a raging madman while VN Luka wins every fight simply with an Enrikan Shirt and a single sword that doesn't even seem to give stat boosts.

>>184013581
Or maybe he goes to bed and has a wet dream about his perfect oppai imouto

>>184013908
That's oddly specific
>>184013835
I don't think Luka is a lolicon

>>184014087
>That's oddly specific
TT said Luka's type is a younger sister-type with big boobies
Also, inns are a thing. It's not like Luka never catches a break to whack it. There's even an event where slimegirls next door overhear him fapping(?)

>>184012969
Taking gameplay into account is a circuitous argument since there's comparing the entire gamut of playstyles and difficulties against one another, and entirely subjective. Who's stronger, level 60 seeded Luka on very easy or EX mode Luka? They're both at their best, why not compare them?

trtr even said that the gameplay values aren't strict canon, the gameplay is broad strokes for the story to establish who fought who.

>>184013459
But therein lies the problem. We CAN find out how strong VN Luka is. If you do what the game recommends he's always the same strength and level every fight.

We don't know jack shit about Paradox Luka without using gameplay mechanics since he's, supposedly at least, always with a party that always includes at least Alice/Ilias and Sonya.

Since we can't take gameplay into account For all we know canon Luka could be level 4 and not trained in any job by the end of part 2. Or he could be level 60 and trained in all jobs. There is too much variation.

The only way to know for sure is to look at him at his best. Max level, max possible jobs, and best equipment.

People don't like discussing power levels, it seems to send them into a rage. So from now on I'm just going to assume Paradox Luka is stronger than VN Luka, I'm not going to be comparing shit, I'll just be assuming.

No since normal difficulty is likely canon and I don't see much reason to go higher if it doesn't reward me.

>>184014234
Are you sure

Q.ルカ君自身の女性の好みは年上なのですか?
A.お姉さんタイプに弱いようです。

Here he says he's into older sister types

>>184011138
thanks for noticing me

>>184014448
Or just stop using gameplay like a moron

Are you trolling wtf

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>>184014448
>it's a "luka has the skills to perform surgery" episode
>it's a "luka is an ultrapowerful wizard" episode
>it's a "luka is a crossdressing incestuous pervert" episode
Oh joy.

>>184014671
Lolice is so cute!

>>184014448
Would you admit that if VN Luka were exposed to the same game mechanics, he'd be just as strong as Paradox Luka and vice versa?

>>184013843
That's assuming Angel Halo isn't the infinity plus sword I think it is. But that's just a theory and should have no bearing on deciding between the two until Angel Halo shows up for comparison.

So, yes. That's absolutely correct. Because Paradox Luka trains in other forms of combat than just the sword he has access to higher forms of skills that allow him to hit harder and better than VN Luka.

>>184014275
You go with the normal difficulty, since normal is what would likely count as canon. Same thing, you don't use easy mode paradox Luka, you use normal mode Paradox Luka to compare. So long as you don't use cheats it's fine.

Sonya's blushing face is scary, she looks like she's gonna jump Luka right there

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>>184000176
I love you, possibly Voreanon! Here is your (you)!

>>184015057
I wish she jumped me...

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>>184014448
Look man, we have word of god from the creator that gameplay mechanics do not represent the lore.

No, lorewise Teeny can not eat a giant narwhal that is the size of a football stadium.
No, lorewise Pilate can't create a supernova.
No, lorewise Luka isn't a master chef, surgeon, ninja, gunner, prostitute, idol, maid, necromancer that ate a bunch of magic seeds that gave him the strength to suplex a continent.

>>184014894
If he trained in other skills and had the same opportunities he could. Yes. But he only ever trains in the sword. Paradox Luka is far stronger purely because of two reasons. He has a far greater amount of skills and abilities compared to the hyper specialized VN Luka, and he has the ability to be more than human.

>>184014469
>Here he says he's into older sister types
Then he should just marry Lilith the onee-san fetishist and be done with it.

>>184014991
Isn't Angel Halo just normal sword that's covered in holy energy?
I mean it probably hits a bit harder and has holy attribute thanks to that but it's not that amazing outside of it's sealing abilities

Could Ilias theoretically create Angel Halo that doesn't look like it's made out of rotten meat?

>>184015197
Are you going to reply to the twelve posts that say that doesn't matter in reality or are you going to continue to be willfully ignorant.

>>184015145
>No, lorewise Luka isn't a master chef
You're wrong about this part though.
I always make sure to level up Luka in the cook jobs because he's actually great at cooking.

>>184014647
Then tell me. HOW do you find out how powerful Paradox Luka is? There is no point where he 'canonically/narratively' fights alone. There is no metric where you can point to and say 'this is undeniably how strong paradox Luka is canonically' WITHOUT looking into gameplay. Or, we could all just stop here. I'm tired of arguing with people who don't care to actually compare the characters. I'm done. I get it. People don't like to do that. My apologies for trying to use facts and numbers. I'll stop.

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>>184015145
>No, lorewise Teeny can not eat a giant narwhal that is the size of a football stadium.
I hate canon now! I want everything in Teeny's tiny belly.

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>>184014671
Snek is a
Miracle of the
Universe
Get it?

>>184015453
Im going to continue replying because I'm bored enough to do so. I don't know how I'm being willfully ignorant I've literally explained my position half a dozen goddamn times.

>>184015197
I think Paradox Luka will be forced to be a swordsman regardless of his chosen profession, much like the Hero job was forced upon him. Regardless of gameplay values, I don't think Luka will be acknowledged as a better martial artist than Alma Elma, Taoist than Tamamo, scientist than Promestein, etc.

If we're going to include gameplay, including every job is ludicrous. At most, you should only infer what jobs benefit their trait the most; that's a better argument for canonicity.

>>184015643
Are you that same nigger who kept talking about how "his" Luka was super powerful and could kill Adramelek in one turn? It was fun seeing you sperg out about how CANONICALLY that didn't matter for shit.
>>184015807
Your position is completely invalid and you don't choose to realize that.

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>>184010652
>implying this isn't canon
I got to this without using cheat engine, what makes it not canon?

I have a question. How strong IS paradox Luka, then. How CANONICALLY strong is he? If I'm wrong then correct me. What level is Paradox Luka at the end of part 2? What is his jobs? What is his equipment? What is his skills?

If apparently I'm 'willfully ignorant', 'retarded', 'trolling', or however the fuck all yall want to call me then correct me. Give me some canonical numbers so I can do a run through and see how it works out.

How strong IS Paradox Luka, canonically?

>>184015892
Paradox Luka is a prostitute.

>>184015643
>There is no point where he 'canonically/narratively' fights alone.
How about at the very beginning of the damn game,idiot? VN Luka couldn't take a single slime, Paradox Luka can fight 3 of them at once and win with just a custom sword.

>>184016065
The fact that you keep trying to bring levels and shit into how strong a character is when such a thing is completely irrelevant to their strength makes it sound like you're not really comprehending the issue

>>184016000
I don't know how I was sperging out. But yeah. That was me. Because it's true. If not then, please, tell me. What position SHOULD I take? How strong IS Paradox Luka?

>>184014275
>gameplay values aren't strict canon
Then what's the point of making an rpg maker game?
Why not keep it as a vn

>>184016338
For fun?

>>184015664
She's so cute I'd willingly jump inside her tiny belly desu desu.

>>184016232
Except Luka at the beginning of the VN had never fought anything before. Paradox Luka could have fought half a dozen before fighting the three slimes. So that doesn't work.

>>184016338
>why make video games with gameplay if that gameplay isn't canon to the story?

Really?

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>>184016065
>what level
Doesn't matter.
>what jobs
In story he has Hero so that means Apprentice and Warrior are maxed.
>equipment
Custom Sword.
>skills
All the shit from those jobs along with his race and tutor bonuses.
That was pretty easy.
>>184016252
>because it's true
Yeah it's true that no matter how much damage you did in that one turn Adra came back and was about to kill Luka.

>>184016065
>What is his jobs?
Hero. Races would be just High angel and vampire.
>What is his equipment?
Enrikan shirt +infinity and Custom sword.
>What is his skills?
Hero and racial skills. Those few warrior skills. Angel skills or random skills taught by Alice/Ilias. Most importantly Talk.

>>184016065
We can only go off the relative strength of his opponents, Luka and co could defeat, but not eradicate a 10% Adramalek in part 1, who was on par with La Croix previously. In part 2, the same occurs with Chaos Sonya, who was considered a world destroying threat. I wouldn't be suprised if Apoptosis Sonya was on par with Black Alice after absorbing Ilias, but the fight being interrupted before it's natural conclusion throws it into doubt.

>>184016491
He never fought a monster before but Paradox Luka fought with Sonya a lot and Sonya was trained by Lazarus so Paradox Luka at least is probably stronger than VN Luka at the beginning. That's legit.

Doesn't say much for what happens afterwards though. The only thing you can really do is compare what they accomplish as a party and roughly compare it to what Luka accomplished on his own. But yeah, the only time you could draw a definite conclusion from that is when what they accomplish as a party is less than what Luka accomplishes solo.

There's not much information to go on at this point and that's okay. There's no need to draw upon stupid irrelevant shit just to force a comparison.

>>184015892
If we're going to infer based on trait, why not race as well?

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>mfw that Russian empress' table that xelvy retweeted

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>>184016992
https://mobile.twitter.com/sovietsoreyuke/status/890191068125208576/photo/1

>>184016065
Well I know that part 2 was designed with the assumption that Luka was level 23 and had one intermediate job mastered by the end of part 1.
That's the closest thing we have to a concrete skill set at any point in Paradox.
There are also some other instances of canon power levels:
>The party could only reduce Alma's health by 7% at the colosseum.
>Alt Tamamo wipes the whole party with no real effort.

Captcha: TABARZ CERVANTES
When are we going to recruit him?

>>184016580
Thank you. FINALLY

So only Hero, Apprentice Hero, and Warrior. just the custom sword?

So level doesn't matter? He can be up to level 60?

>>184016732
Why high angel? Why not only low angel? Does vampire actually count? It was a side quest.

Is the custom sword upgradable like the Enrikan shirt? What is his max level?

Good. So far we're finally getting somewhere. With this I can run a canonical campaign and tell the results.

Does Paradox Luka have any accessories?

>>184017184
So when I reach level 23 I should put on a hard grow bracelet or something that stops his leveling until part 2?

To everyone else, what is the canonical party? Alice and Sonya are a absolute, but what other characters? Hild? Promestein?

>>184017483
If you're trying to compare the two characters then you wouldn't have other party members.

>>184016980
This is why gameplay is a slippery slope, not every human is a master wordsmith, not every insect is a time mage spider, not every ghost is a grimoire alchemist.

That's not how you're supposed to play the game.

>>184017631
Obviously not any of the monsters in the wild. But what about the characters you get via the story?

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>>184017483
>What is the canonically party
These guys

>>184017724
None. This isn't "how strong is Luka's party" it's "how strong is Luka".

>>184017756
Why are there 2 Luka's?

>>184017285
>Why high angel? Why not only low angel? Does vampire actually count? It was a side quest.
High angel because it's the one needed to get the fallen angel race which Luka is. Vampire counts slightly as it is within the story unlike becoming a tentacle freak, but whether he becomes intermediate is unknown without a QA.
>Is the custom sword upgradable like the Enrikan shirt?
Yes. It even has multiple elements.
>Does Paradox Luka have any accessories?
No.

>>184017873
Right. I forgot. I got caught up in the idea of a canonical playthrough that I forgot it's supposed to compare how powerful Luka is. so I need to go through with no one. As soon as I can I need to get rid of Sonya and Alice as well. Thanks.

>>184017894
Play the game.

>>184017756
>Snow and cold
>Sara completely naked
>Who is that by the rock above the spirits who are using Salamander to keep warm?
>Mica and Lucy built a snowman?
>Hild and Promestien enjoying nature?

Why do they camp when they can sleep in the castle until morning? We know none of Luka's allies will take advantage of him while he's sleeping

>>184017285
>>184017483
>>184017724
>>184018038
This is doomed to fail. Is he going to fight each enemy only once and never use items or gold as well? Is he going to restrict himself to the same XP growth that VN Luka had as well?

>>184017995
Alright. So I'll go Human, Lowly, and High Angel, but only the initial vampire race. No accessories. Only enrikan shirt and Custom sword. I need to stop leveling once I hit 23 until part 2. Anyone have anything else I need to remember?

>>184018305
I don't see why I couldn't use items or gold. my XP growth is already limited to 23 for part 1. This isn't about VN Luka. This is about Paradox Luka and how strong he is. I'll be playing on normal difficulty since it's the most 'canon' so I shouldn't have too much trouble.

Can I make Morri-chan into a superstar? Will she kira~?

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>>184018607
>shouldn't have too much trouble

>>184012472
I've heard it has problems with games which uses lots of scripts

>>184018401
Keep Sonya in your party at all times, stubborn lass won't leave Luka alone in the story and she even blushes when you use her healing spells on Luka, in fact, even when the enemy talks to you, you get options such as
>Neither is Sonya
to respond to a question on if it'd be okay if they came with you even if they aren't very helpful
>Take Sonya instead
To a question of which of you they should send to heaven first
>Sonya
To a question of who your benefactor is

and you're given a choice to steal Sonya's panties off her and sell them to a pervert for 200g, she may be useless but she's prime bully bait,oh, and if you ever get charmed while using Sara she'll attack Sonya instead of Luka so she can be a good meat shield as well

>>184018607
>I don't see why I couldn't use items or gold
Because VN Luka didn't. If you got hypnotized in the VN, it was essentially game over.

This isn't even possible anyway, as binds will be impossible to escape at this point.

>>184019063
>and if you ever get charmed while using Sara she'll attack Sonya instead of Luka
Are you just pulling my leg?
If not then that's incredible attention to detail.

>>184018889
>>184018889
I have heard that the imps give trouble, but I was always too high level for them. This is my first time since it came out that I've done a playthrough that isn't a NG+.

Though that raises a point. Do I need to do all the side quests? If not I could quite easily skip the Cave of Trials.

>>184019063
No. This is supposed to show how strong Luka is. Not how strong Luka's party is.

>>184019079
True I suppose. However VN Luka also has the benefit of healing between battles. So no items in battles, but I can between battles.

>>184018889
Considering that whole scene near Gold Port never happens in Paradox, I think it's safe to assume Luka got raped by Rami shortly after leaving Iliasville. The rest of the party had to save him.

>>184019259
Is there something about Sara and Sonya I don't know?

>>184019462
Well Sara's a lesbian with the promiscuity of a succubus that just turned.

>>184019462
Sara is normally a lesbian.
Sonya is a girl.
Do the math.

>>184019368
>Though that raises a point. Do I need to do all the side quests? If not I could quite easily skip the Cave of Trials.
Imps are also in the canyon with the merchant plus Mandragora, and in the Bandit cave.

>>184019706
So I will indeed fight them eventually.

Alright then. So one last question. Which initial pick gives the harder bosses, Alice or Ilias? Or does it not matter?

>>184019462
Look at their castle conversation

>>184020028
What do they say?

>>184019895
Alice skips Ant Queen and the second Granberry fight but you fight Eden, and funnily enough Ant Queen would probably be the hardest of those since Gran isn't thinking straight and all Eden seems to do is spam Mass Heaven and Dispel.

>>184019585
>>184019591
Sara was probably bi with a female crush, not a lesbian.

>>184020495
>Luka points out that Sonya and Sara seem to get along quite well
>Sonya says that are practically best friends
>Sara calls Sonya one of her "girlfriends"
>Luka and Sonya are shocked

Also as a bonus:
>Sphinx notices that Succ Sara has fully acclimated to her blood, but still doesn't seem to be in control of herself
>Sara asks Sphinx to teach her new things...Immoral, abnormal things
>Sphinx wonders if the blood did anything at all and if this is just how Sara actually already was inside before the transformation.

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How much does Paradox share with leveling and stat grinding from Disgaea? Never played Paradox yet.

>>184020571
So I should go with Ilias then for the harder fights?

Alright then. So I'll go ahead and start my playthrough then. Here are the rules:

no items in battle
-Luka only, no teammates
-picking Ilias
-level 23 limit for part 1
-Can only use Enrikan shirt and custom sword only, but they can be customized.
-can only be race wise Lowly Angel, High Angel, Vampire (first race only), human
-Can only be class wise Apprentice Hero, Warrior, Hero

If I can't beat the game with Luka only then Paradox Luka is weaker than VN Luka. Period.

>>184021143
Sara wanted to engage in lesbian incest with her ancestor?

>>184021495
Yes

>>184016559
Why have a story then?

>>184021523
Granberry is CUTE

>>184021523
I don't mind this, this is way better than the art ingame.

>>184020495
>Sara:"Oh, Sonya. Have you had the rice in the dining room?"
>Sonya:"Yup! I had it in their new dish, the salmon bowl."
>Luka:"Sonya, Sara, you two seem to really get along."
>Sonya:"There weren't any girls my age in the village. She's like the friend I never had."
>Sara:"The same goes for me. I guess you could say we're girlfriends."
>Sonya: "Yeah....huh?!"
>Luka:"Huh?!"
>Sara:"Huh?!"
>>184021495
When the lizard bandits and their boss make the threat that they're going to gangrape the party after beating them up Sara asks them to please be gentle and apparently in part 2 she did something to the vampires that makes them quiver when she shows up in succubus form and ask if they want to play with her again. Oh, and she's been goosing her maids, Paradox Sara is a deviant perv

>>184021424
Needs reincarnation.

One more thing. No seeds and I have to do all side quests. I'll report if I finish or not. That's all.

>>184022338
How can we be sure that you're following the challenge? You didn't seem like the least biased guy earlier...

>>184019259
Game data seems to point to skill 4116 for succ Sara and skill 3487 for regular Sara. Both target Luka so...

>>184022783
I'll vouch for him

Would you be opposed to a let's play stream of monmusu quest paradox 2 were semi translated on the spot?

>>184022893
What can you expect from the known liar. He can't even get a sentence straight, let alone facts of the game.

I wouldn't watch it but I wouldn't send a cease and desist or something.

>>184023014
>let's play
Reported.

>>184023014
If it was no commentary, didn't waste time fucking around or losing, then sure.

>>184023014
Never use the world stream in this general unless you are referring to a body of water or Ilias

>>184023251
>no commentary
But how would one be able to tell what's going on then?

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>Odette
Jesus christ...I think I just legitimately prematurely ejaculated.

I want to release a stream of piss on Ilias!

>>184023760
Who?

>>184023760
Careful she killed her old husband through sex.

>>184024038
Xelvy minotaur

>>184023760
Post pics

>>184022783
You could always take the challenge yourself. It's pretty fun so far.

>>184022893
How mean, I just wanted to give the guy hope of some hot SonyaXSara action.

>>184024674
Instead, you were exposed as a shitposter. Go away.

>>184025019
Fine, I'll go away for today, but I WILL be backl.

>>184025408
And I will be here to expose you, obsessed freak.

>>184025723
Aren't we all sick fucks anyways for being in this thread.

>The sexual maid skills get an 80% increase in damage when used with a sex toy
Huh, no wonder their damage values are so low

>>184023760
which scene?
that spanking paizuri broke my dick

>>184026126
Bathing Suit

>>184023317
Why not?

I like losing against Mini. I want a doujin about it. I also feel jealous during that scene.

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>>184023760
I want Xelvy to do more mamallians

>>184027789
Streams nearly destroyed the general back in the /mgqg/ days. It was worse than population wars.

>Hild even points out in her talk dialogue that she was made with the power of chaos to fight chaos, she's effectively the same as the other apoptosis beings except that she's artificially made. It's the opposite of Nuruko whose the natural incarnation of chaos.

My current theory based on the Part 2 trailer is that Nuruko is an artificial spirit to control Chaos, made by the same future Promestein who made Hild and sent her lab back, and who presumably even kidnapped one of her past selves to send back.

An alternate Luka, or clone of, is perhaps the father, needing him as a sample of the 4 original spirits, to make a better artificial one.

This does a reasonable job of making sense of:
>The Part 2 trailer shots of Hild presumably giving birth to Nuruko
>Why the above even remotely makes sense
>Why you find both Promestein and Nuruko "randomly" in these Tartarus Reminas (future Promestein is dropping these gifts in front of Paradox Luka intentionally)

Riot's 100 percent scene is literally her cradling Luka like a baby as he sucks her tits as she strokes him off with an onahole, then when he cums she sticks her tail in it it, they both cum and exhausted Riot starts rocking Luka and mutters that she wouldn't mind doing more stuff like this.

What in the fuck. I mean, it's sorta sweet but, who wants to be treated like baby to fuck? This is such a massive change from the 10 affection scene.

>>184028480
>who wants to be treated like a baby
I mean, who wants to be eaten? That isn't a particularly rare or strange fetish.

>>184028480
>This is such a massive change from the 10 affection scene.
After that scene you have to be careful what you ask for.

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>>184028480
haha yeah I know, right? what kind of disgusting pervert would want that?

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>>184028480
>He doesn't like nursing

>>184017756
Don't forget
>Mini is in the Pot, as she is in all the camp scenes
>Eden is in the snowman, because she'll do anything her little sisters want her to do

>>184018253
The top-right by the rock is Mephistopheles
The snowman is Eden, being bullied by her little sisters
Promestein is taking samples, as she does during many camps
Hild is generally off doing her own things

>>184028846
Is the 10 affection scene just a re word of her rape scene if you lose to her? I mean she immediate strips Luka naked and plants him into a wall and the cgi looks like tartarus and has claw marks on the wall from how hard she's thrusting into Luka

>>184029048
It's just, who would expect a scene like that from not only a xelvy creation but from a tartarus monster? It's as uncanny as the possibility of Sonya's scene becoming love making in everything but name

>>184028391
>even kidnapped one of her past selves to send back.
There is a problem with that, as far as the story shows there is only 1 angel world where presumably prom cames, but she doesn't come from F00793 nor F02767 which are either the Angel or Devil world, she comes from F9623. What the nips are saying is that she could be a copy of the angel world Prom, just like the white rabbit coppies the bunny slime as F10357X042Y772.

xelvy's girls are the best

>>184028381
I don't get it

Jaysus. After several attempts I finally took out Imp with a lucky critical. The real enemies are the slugs, they hit like the bunny slimes until you get slimed and then hit you for like 16 damage a hit. I've lost over ten times already the most to the slugs and Rami. Now I know what you were all talking about with the BS rape she does.

>>184029215
I don't know if Lolistein is actually that Angel World.
Besides which, there's other times where the coordinate system doesn't seem to be consistent.

>>184028480
It's my fetish

>>184029360
She recognizes Gnosis and Shion and those seem to be only from that world.

>>184029181
Many of Xelvy's creations seem to be kind-hearted but abominable. It's kind of a theme he's got going.

>>184029181
Pretty much all of the castle request scenes are the same as the loss scenes with minor differences, just as most of the old girls' scenes are copied from the VN. Though obviously that excludes scenes they only have in the castle.

>>184028480
>her tail
That's a penis

>>184029328
There was a Halloween stream where someone streamed themselves playing the vn and after that several people from the general starting streaming regularly and drawing traffic from the general, causing the threads to die during a time where traffic was declining already due to lack of new content.

>>184024114
D-do you have any pics of Odette? Been searching but can't find anything online and I'm not that far into the game yet. You lot are making me curious.

>>184015389
>Isn't Angel Halo just normal sword that's covered in holy energy?
I mean it probably hits a bit harder and has holy attribute thanks to that but it's not that amazing outside of it's sealing abilities

If I'm not wrong from what VN describes AH as it would seem it should always deal at minimum 100% damage, ignoring enemy resistances that are higher or lowers than 100%

>>184028480
This is for the people with an Oedipus complex.

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>>184016003

Welp. I give up. This playthrough is going to require so much grinding, and the constant dying does not help.

So yeah. VN Luka is TOOTALLY stronger than Paradox Luka. That's that I guess.

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>>184016992
>>184017179

>>184030354
That's cool but gameplay isn't representative of canon power levels.

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>>184030302
It's pretty common to want to be pampered by big sister/motherly types.
Though not necessarily literally to some of the extent other scenes go to. People have different threshholds.

>>184030354
There wasn't even a Paradox difficulty in the VN, it stopped at Hell, which this game even has, and is probably easier to manage than VN's Hell.
So Paradox Luka > VN Luka, easily, by a lot.

Paradox Luka has more sex than VN Luka

>>184023317
Or the cup games.

>>184030886
>>184030885
Oh for fuck sake. You guys are trolling at this point. Sure. Alright.

>>184031017
Not according to White Rabbit at least.

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>>184030034
>>184024137
She's this lady

>>184031112
Does it really count if Luka never remembered?

>>184031205
Thanks. Those are some great big cow tits.

>>184031065
Power levels are bullshit, everyone is as strong as they've said to be. Comparing game statistics is a pointless errand. I thought this was a concept easily grasped by most people.

>>184031205
I meant of the precum

If a doppelganger copied Paradox Luka and fought a doppelganger that copied VN Luka, who would win?

>>184031539
I will never understand how a thread dedicated to monster girls can have gay people.

>>184031396
Except it doesn't say how strong Luka is in either version.

Whatever. From what I can tell. The "Canon" Paradox Luka, which is only Enrikan shirt, and custom sword, with only the jobs necessary for Hero is weaker than VN Luka. VN Luka is weaker than Max level, Max Job, and Max races Paradox Luka.

That's that. Everything's solved. That's that.

Of course that fat cow Alma Elma would like almost everything.

>>184031608
The one with Daystar.

>>184031669
I'm not gay.

>>184021435
-Play on Normal or Hard
-No Side/back tracking or farming
-Go straight from point A to point B for story and quests

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>>184031772
>which is only Enrikan shirt, and custom sword, with only the jobs necessary for Hero
Paradox Luka has reached a 77% divergence rate from VN Luka by the time he reaches Esta, and that's with Alice.
He's so far off the true history rails that he can be killed without causing any serious problems.

>>184032178
The problem is that you're going to be underleveled. I was level four, took on an Earthworm girl, and she beat my ass like a bongo, several times. You have to grind and a whole lot if you want to get anywhere.

>>184021435
>If I can't beat the game with Luka only then Paradox Luka is weaker than VN Luka. Period.
VN Luka didn't have to deal with monsters regularly attacking him in groups.

>>184032178
He should play on Easy.
Seriously. Even with Alice on my no-Sonya run Gob was a zazoom death machine on Normal.

>>184032649
He did. Just not as early as Paradox.

>>184032178
-Fight each enemy (solo encounter) only once
-Only use demon sword skills
-Use XP seeds to boost yourself up by the same amounts in the VN.
Sounds kind of fun.

>>184032649
He likely did, it's just the VN skipped the fights we already experienced to streamline the process.

>>184032842
The point wasn't to actually make it through. it was to see if I could find out how strong 'canon' Paradox Luka was. I decided to call it quits after two hours of grinding up to level 4, losing over ten times, and then immediately getting my ass raped several times by the Earthworm girl that I gave up.

'Canon' Paradox Luka can't handle it alone, VN Luka could take on the Earthworm girl and at least win.

>>184009974
>spend 20 minutes writing something
>no one cares
That sucks. Is this how edgy felt? No wonder his story turned out the way it did.

>>184034339
Hey, I care, anon ! Liked it, too.

Saki-chan! *twinkle*

>>184034924

Saki-chan Kira~

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monster girl gamu!

>>184034786
That makes me feel better. If there's at least one person who enjoyed it, that's enough for me.

>>184034924
>use petal dance with alplants
>confuse, blind and stun some poor mob after three consecutive procs
>dancer's Kira~ somehow goes through, cancelling the confusion and stun as their limbs contort into that pose
thats some serious star power

>>184033025
There are only a handful of gangbangs in the VN. The vast majority of Luka's fights were 1vs1.

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>>184034924
Saki-chan! UOOOOOO

>>184011653
>tfw tried out build on yamata no orochi
>disabled all active skills except snake
>if she uses a snake skill that uses attack as the stat for damage calculation she hits everyone for something close to a million damage 6 times since her trait makes snake skills activate thrice and super berserker lets her act twice
jesus christ

>>184037140
>disabled all active skills except snake
That works with berserker? Good to know.

Does Paradox Luka kill monster instead of sealing them?

>>184037398
No. Or so we've been told.

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Why is Barnny now being called Barbun?

>>184037398
No, even death skills don't actually kill anything. Which is why climax has the same effect.

>>184037398
No, he just beats them up until they run away or get knocked out.

>>184037580
She's been Barbun for as long as I can remember.

>>184037580
Same reason all other names that change do. The translator thought of a more fitting translation, in their opinion at least.

>>184037580
>"Me and my comrades will never lose so long as we work together"
I honestly didn't expect to hear that line from any of Luka's castle mates. I guess a few of them genuinely do want to be there and help instead of leeching

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>>184037845
I heard Paradox 2 was released and decided to check my 01/20/2016 save, walked around for a bit and when I realized, her name changed to Barbun. I only noticed because sometimes I use her on my party.
>>184038014
That's interesting, but at this point I'm more used to Barnny, so I will keep calling her that. Do you know of any other characters whose name got changed?

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>>184038217
some of them are fighting for a better tomorrow

>Dorothy Canaan: If you don't take me out to eat some enemies I'm going to start eating your allies instead

You know you're a bitch when you make the carnivorous monstrosities from the tartarus look like nice people

Wait, I also just realized Flirt is now called Gadabout, a word I didn't even know existed. Just how far is the translation now and how much has changed from back then?

>>184038401
Neris is now Nelice

>>184038410
I really don't think they'll stop being labeled as perverts

>>184037140
>Berserker Orochi
God dammit, that is what I was working on.

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>>184038751
delet

>>184038410
So many Char quotes said by him(including this one) that probably won't come across in translation. Such a shame

But inevitable really

>>184038489
she's just being tsundere

>>184021435
>>184032178
>>184033078
What fresh breed of autism is this?

>>184037140
We all have to keep in mind that the mastery bug is inflating damage waaaaaaaay past where it should be right now

So berserker builds are now broken?

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>>184039506
>that is not being tsundere, its terrorism
turning her into the potato lord was the best character injection the chief succ could have gotten

>>183800730
>that's not much different from a standard image of a maou/monster lord
its been a while since I played the VN but I remember alice that its mostly dumb backwater monsters that vore humans.

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>>184009974
>>184034339
Made me kek