/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General!

1st for next thread is definitely /btg/

"/gerg/" is a shit name for a Stompy robots thread anyway

>making the thread early to keep forcing the /gerg/ meme
no more

/btg/ is up
>>183991374
>>183991374
>>183991374

Implying gerg isn't here to stay

>>183991436
>He actually thinks people will post in this one salty autist's thread instead of ignoring it for the simple reason of making him mad

>>183991619

gerg is shit.

kong is shit.

almost every time i see you guys play you just die, like ass. i've seen exactly one of you not be a retard. and that was in a pug when the guy was solo.

your hivemind of shit is just that. shit.

>it's a that one autist wants to change the name of the thread episode

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>>183991886
Go back to outreachHPG grandpa

>>183992028

>hurr durr running around like headless chickens shooting at all different mechs and never ever focusing is totally FUN LOL SO RANDUMB! WHEEEE!

No. fuck off. you want to be retards, fuck off and play some single player game.

playing with you guys is a fucking chore 80% of the time.

>>183992005
>its that newfag who doesn't know it was always /btg/ or /mwog/ until kong faggotry starting making gerg threads in praise of sucking greggles dick and ass and eating his shit.

>they still do it despite greg being known for being shit at literally everything

>>183992226
just stop posting on /gerg/, easiest way to make the move

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>tfw according to the posters count in the autist's thread, he's having conversations with himself.

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>>183992419
That's sad.

meanwhile this thread is full of 15000 unique posters and i already nearing post limit.

OH WAIT...

Why do PPCs have minimum range?

>>183993154
So you can shoot the armchair generals in the back of their assaults at below minimum range and hear them rage over comms

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>3 unique IPs in /btg/
>7 in /gerg/

o im laffin

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>>183993021
He's still going and he uses reddit spacing

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WHEN?

>>183993154
in the lore wise, even though they're called 'lightning guns' it's not like it shoots an actual bolt of lightning.

PPC seem to work more like a CRT or cyclotron, except of course at MUCH MUCH higher exciter levels.

inside of minimum range there must be like, the particles aren't excited enough to do any dmg.

>>183993373
you know i didn't make the other thread, right?

also
>reddit spacing
just because you're 12 years old and don't understand common formatting that's been around since darpanet came BEFORE reddit the godawful site of shitness, doesn't make it any less the case.

>>183993303
5 people in /gerg/ are kakos posting from different IPs

>>183993506
>>183993154
They have a safety mechanism to prevent the particles from interfering with the electronics of the mech firing them. It can be disabled in lore.

>>183993634
but would you WANT to?

i mean, would not the net effect be basically helping the enemy shoot you.
it'd be like toggle masc on and leaving it on, except you'd cook and kill whatever component our ppc was in with internal dmg.

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>>183993373

>>183993754
If you can shrug off the damage, it could mean securing a kill and saving a teammate.Why not?
>PGI
oh

>>183993754
It's a last ditch effort sort of thing. There aren't rules for it in TT as far as I know, but I doubt the intention is that it will physical damage the armour or structure of your mech very much. The big thing it does is short out sensors and targeting systems.

Really though there's not much reason, if something is inside minimum range you can probably get close enough and just punch it instead of trying to fire your PPCs at it.

Don't ask me why ERPPCs don't have minimum range, I've never seen it elaborated why they don't use the field inhibitor regular PPCs do despite ostensibly dumping even more power out to get the range increase.

>>183993958
Disregard that, there are advanced rules in Tabletop for it.

"The to hit rolls were resolved as normal, but the controlling player had to roll 2D6 to determine if the PPC exploded due to feedback. If the target was 1 hex away, the firing unit had to roll a 10 or more to avoid the explosion. A target at 2 hexes away required a roll of 6 or higher, and a target 3 hexes away needed a roll of 3 or more. A successful roll indicated no damage occurred to the unit firing the PPC.

If the firing player failed to get the roll needed, the PPC was immediately destroyed and critical slots for the PPC were crossed off the record sheet. The firing unit also took ten points of damage to the internal structure of the location housing the PPC."

Yeah you don't really want to do this unless you absolutely have to. Especially if they're 1 hex away you'd be completely retarded to, I can't imagine a situation that'd call for it unless I guess you're getting gangbanged by a group of mechs and want to try to take as many down as possible.

>>183993939
exactly. piggy can' even make autocannons,

ac are supposed to shoot in bursts. as it is, they're merely autoloading-cannon-so-you-don't-have-to-get-out-and-reload-your-antiquated-howitzer-by-hand-every-time.
ac's are ostensibly the 'best' most reliable all around goodness slugthrower of the BT universe, and yet they cannot even into bushmaster tier AC from our current tech base IRL.

>25 CW matches
>9929/12800 score
I don't know if I can do this. The patterns are looking less and less tempting after every game.

>>183994232
Autocannon is a very general term. Some autocannons fire pretty slowly, under 100 rpm, while others fire several times that.

The AC2 is a perfectly acceptable autocannon. The AC5 is lacking a little, and the AC10 and 20 don't really deserve the term at all.

>>183994585
my point is that you never use an autocannon to shoot once. otherwise you'd just use an artillery piece or a mortar. the entire point of having the AC is to have faster rpm than single shot weaponry. that's the only reason the tech even exists.

even a modern MBT today has a truly horrific rof from it's main gun from a basic crew, let alone anyone actually experienced in using that tank.

and the rof from an mbt puts the so-called 'ac' of mwo to shame.

>>183994232
>PGI can't even make autocannons

RACs are literally exactly autocannons though. How would you design an autocannon that is intended to do 20 damage to a single component (and always a single component) per shot or burst within 10 seconds?

ACs are flawed from the source material to begin with.

>>183994819
racs have 'spoolup' which ac don't, and have the option to fire much faster.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Autocannon

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rotary_Autocannon

"it is capable of firing up to six times as many rounds as its standard cousin, allowing it to deal three times the damage of even an Ultra Autocannon"

>>183994809
That's not entirely true though. The slower firing autocannons in existence are commonly fired at lower-than-maximum rpm, at least those mounted on IFVs. The point is they have the flexibility for supression as well as slower, more accurately placed shots.

>>183994819
NO mwo 'ac' is an ac though.

>because piggy are retards who think mechwarriors would willingly go into battle with an autocannon loaded only with HE.

>to fight other armoured battlemechs
" firing HEAP (High-Explosive Armor-Piercing) or kinetic rounds at targets in bursts. It is, basically, a giant "machine gun" that fires predominantly cased explosive shells though models firing saboted high velocity kinetic energy penetrators or caseless ordnance do exist."

because piggy are retarded there isn't a damage model and physics model in place in the game, despite being cryengine, to account for precise shot locations piercing that armour or even having a chance to pierce armour depending on calibre / velocity etc to do through armour crits.

>>183995007
What are you trying to say with this post exactly?

The point is the way RACs fire in MWO is exactly as an autocannon would, spoolup ignored since I'm focusing solely on the firing mechanisms. They don't fire as they do in TT, where they would effectively have 5 doubletaps after their original shot for a total of six 2 or 5 damage projectiles within the span of ten seconds, each capable of hitting or missing individual components.

All I'm saying is that autocannons in Battletech are flawed and PGI is working off of the TT stats. Whether they should have followed TT so closely is a whole other thing (they shouldn't have) but my point is solely that PGI could make autocannons just like real life ones and have in the way RACs operate. The problems would then be that half the playerbase would riot and figuring out what to do to make Ultras and Rotaries functionally different.

>>183995043
and the entire reason they fit AC's to afv's etc is for that very reason, a single shot weapon is obsolete nowadays, their only use remaining is in battery parks of arty and mortars, and man portable squad mortars (which are rare as f anyhoo because now they'll just radio that shit in instead or call in a drone. or use their manpats)

>>183995309
AC2s are 100% an autocannon. Their RoF is definitely fast enough (~70rpm) to rank among actual, real life autocannons. On the lowest end, sure, but not every autocannon made is 1000rpm.

>>183995309
Nigga please. Even the standard armor in BT can only be penetrated by extremely unlucky hits or super-advanced warheads specifically designed to do it, and even then it's only a maybe. That's why all the autocannons and missile launchers fire high-explosives, because the only really practical solution is bruteforcing the penetration-proof armor off the target.

>>183995510

>ignoring the point.

bt ac's are NOT single shot HE throwing howitzers. they a burst firing HEAP / HEAT / sabot / KP throwing cannon.

because piggy are too incompetent to give ac a proper dmg profile and model individual AP hits on components either visually OR mechanically, OR have mechanics for the interaction of shells with armour properly,

we're left with HE only for ever and ever instead.

>>183995309
There is certainly a physics model in place generally speaking, just not applied to armour or damage. The game models air resistance for absolutely no reason on all maps with air.

Modelling realistic damage models would make this game worse. Adding in through-armour-criticals would be such a retarded decision, but this is exactly what you want because... realism? You want an entirely different game altogether. I don't deny it would be interesting to see a Mech game played out this way, but it would be a drastic departure from all the established workings of Battletech and be a very, very divisive project.

>>183995882
Battlemechs (and everything in BT) use ablative armor and are highly resistant to common AP ammunition. The act of the armor shedding off when impacted drastically reduces the kinetic energy of the round hitting it, making it that much more resilient than armor we currently produce today, though it's obviously comparable to reactive armor.

>>183995947
for weaponry having a purpose.
as it is you need to mass laser fire to cause a component to glow cherry red, which is OT melting the armour off like in lore etc.

having a proper dmg model would allow the different weaponry to have it's place. as it is theire's usually no reason to take a fat heavy ac instead of the stale pepsi goose meta (other than the newly introduced ghost heat pepsioose nerf)

heck even missiles are kinda screwy as it is since they're sandblasters too.
projectile weapons have no kinetic impetus other than the lol screen shake' and 'lol screen of fire' bs to blind the enemy. there's no chance of concussive blasts even momentarily fucking with any of the delicate internals, or for the shitty he blasts to spread their explosion internally on components with dmg'd armour.

in mwo your components have 1000% protection, or 0%. and until every last point of 'armour' is stripped from a component, it is still functionally armoured exactly as if it was 100%

>>183995882
ACs in Battletech vary in RPM and shot count drastically, there is no one rule. The only rule is that however they deal their damage it is done to a single component within 10 seconds. It can be a massive 200mm cannon firing a single shot for an AC20, or 200 shots of plinky bullshit that somehow add up to the same damage.

You're right they are HEAP though, but overall armor is stronger than the rounds being fired at it and through armor criticals are a rarity, not common in any way.

>>183996325
I hate to tell you but most people don't want a game that advanced for their giant shooty robot games.

You also don't need a "proper" damage model to have all weapons have their place, not in the slightest. All that's required there is for someone with an eye for balancing and a readiness to give a middle finger to TT values.

Why would you want to take an AC20 over a Gauss? Well if the AC20 has a sizeable DPS advantage over it you've got yourself a pretty good start.

Like I said I agree I'd be interested in playing a BT game that did away with the videogamey, pure number crunching values for things, but you are overthinking the shit out of this if you think defined weapon roles can only be achieved by dialing the realism to 11.

What does /btg/ have against Hawken, HGA, MAV, etc.?

>>183997482
The world may never know.

>>183997482
Because the OP of /btg/ doesn't interact with people other than himself
But when he's talking to himself, he really talks up a storm

>It's a distract 3 of the enemy assaults so much they're turning their back to my team with my LPPC locust and my team still gets rolled as they frantically back up into each other at any sign of aggression episode

Is suicide frowned upon in battletech lore?

>>183997917
Not if you're an 80 year old Clanner with nothing left to live for on a backwater reserve planet who has been waiting for decades at another chance to relive the glory days and go down in a blaze of fire, thus bringing honor to the rest of your solahma.

Alternatively, if you're a Kuritan and don't want to shame your famiry. Which fits if you're using light PPCs.

Where are the cougars ingame?

>>183999006
Being outshined by purifiers

>>183999006
In the beds of young men.

>>183998384
So Kurita is the house that likes fun?

>>183999006
Like most pay-to-pilot mechs they'll become more widely seen and played once they're out for C-bills. Likewise I barely saw supernovas until they came out for c-bills, and now they're everywhere. I hope the same will be said of the roughneck. That mech doesn't deserve all the shit it gets.

Can we add this to the OP? It's the best skill tree sim out there and it's a pain to lose it now and then:

https://kitlaan.gitlab.io/mwoskill/

Put it below Smurfy

Is there any reason to take an AC20 on IS over an UAC20 apart from weight?

>>184001078
IS AC20 is pin-point 20 damage that doesn't jam and comes with extra quirks. what you should be asking is "when should I use UAC20?" and the answer is never

>>184001168
But the UAC20 is the same except you can fire it a few extra times to steal kills

>they don't understand

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>tfw no ac20 capable zeus with masc

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>>184001168
>the answer is never
>he hasn't played the UAC20 Hunchback yet
you are missing out

>>184001889
fixed ur build (:

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=367&l=12969e328e0792c619f835f1f7b0a9eadbb50130

>>184002450
Haha, wow, spreading damage more than your mom's legs

>>184003004
>never used LB20s

They don't spread for shit when you're in facefuck range. Less than a UAC20.

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>>184002450
>clams
lul
lemme fix that tech for you
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=1&l=db8c4a4c957846e135cd3c125772dc45126c9db2

Greg please calm down.

>>184003279
>In a hunch

Enjoy losing your sides more than me when your mom says she's calling a few friends.

>/btg/ died

B-BUT I THOUGHT EVERYONE HATED THIS GENERAL BEING CALLED /GERG/

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>>184004298
I legit deal with kids/young adults with autism in my line of work and they are 1000000000 times less autistic than the autists who want to change /gerg/ to something stupider

then again we might all just be playing 4D chess with the funpost mastermind doodbooty

>>184003567
No

>>184004878
>dudebot never left
>he just retreated to the shadows

spookier than spooky ghost heat

>>184001373
this it could have been a fun mech like the wang

>15 unique posters
holy shit kongers you've scared away all the normies with your autic shitflinging

**** you, you pieces of ****. You are not a "Unit" you are a collection of "Top tier" meta ******* ******** players who congregate under one name you are dog **** to the rest of us, worthless on the attlefield. Majority of times you have your Viop disabled and **** you PGI for messing up your "Mach maker" all you do is give priority to the higher tier players half of witch have installed aim bots and bull **** hacks - those of you running in groups of 4-6 "**** you". PGI is constantly ******** on the little guy, the group that has the most variation between their ranks. Those of us who might run with large groups but have a mix between T5 and T1 are always paired against ******** T1 metta ******* with their inabbbility to ******* think outside of the box, they just google what the best fit for what ever mech they are running and point and click "**** you". I have spend a ridiculous amount of money on this game to be constantly pushed aside as a "Casualty" of capitalism. PGI, fix your ****. Your QD match maker is broken, your goal is always the bottom dollar and it has reached it's climax.

****

Next thread is /btg/ for sure.

No, next thread is /mwog/.

what

Next thread is /dash/.

Next thread is /plax/.

next thread is /quadmechswhen/

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IT BEGINS

>>184016006
>units can guide the balance of the entire game
Ayy lmao

>>184015601
Do we have any hi res pics of good quads for the next thread?

Next thread is /Greg/

>>184016006
Is that the same as what Clans can take, or are clans still at an arbitrary tonnage disadvantage (particularly for scouting)?

Can we stop using Mumble and switch to Discord? I'm tired of using this outdated program.

this general is honestly really pathetic like no lie

t. konger

>>184019140
yet here you are. what does that make you?

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>>184019140
>>184019248

>come back to game to shoot new weapons
>new skill trees
>okay, I guess
>after starting to set up for a tree on a mech I didn't have mastered before I notice it wants huge amounts of cbills
>they are actively fucking you out of buying new robits by pilfering a few million extra per mech

Cunts.

>>184019248
I just posted to make it known, now I will close the thread because it's not worth having open

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>>184019795
>tfw have historic SP and experience out the ass and will never have to deal with this shit

>>184019795
You make more cbills than you spend when you're leveling a mech. A lot more.

>>184019795
The XP costs are actually worse than the cbill costs. I think it's something like 3 to 4 million cbills for 91 skill points, which isn't really very much.

>>184021313
3-4 million for the same thing I had before at 0 cost if I just elite'd the mech line

m e h b o y s

>>184021728
But bro you don't need to buy three mechs any more, surely that's worth it right?

>>184021728
>elited

Would have cost you more to buy two variants you maybe didn't want.

Besides, if you mastered your mechs you get 91 historic skill points to use on any of them that were mastered, or a fraction of that depending on how many of the skills you got.

>>184019140
>t. konger
If you were an actual member of kong you'd say konglet.

>>184023015
Whatever

t. real konger

>>184023090
Not now kakos.

>>184021313
>>184021910
>>184022053
Unless you're using exclusively IS lights, you'll spend less on skill points than you would on buying three of any given mech. You play only the variant you want, don't have to dedicate extra mech bays to garbage mechs, and don't have to spend even more C-bills outfitting bad variants to get them to perform decently. I only started about a month ago and I have four of my five mechs at 91 SP. And that's in addition to blowing money on mechs I didn't end up liking, or weapons I wouldn't end up keeping.

im the best mechbarbarian

How do I become a worthy kong pilot? Is there a certain damage threshold I have to meet?

>>184024864
Defeat 6+ premade of 12 dogs in group queue

>>184024864
reach 11 dmg

>>184024864
There is only a certain autism threshold to meet. The /btg/ guy was actually trying to get into kong, but he overdid it.

>>184025984
>tfw /btg/ OP guy is most likely one of the 35> year old battletech fans who have been into battletech forever, but are still tier 3 even after 5 years of playing mwo, ever since the very first closed betas.
I almost feel bad for the guy.

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>tfw I climb to tier 1 on a uac 20 + 1 c-lpl gargoyle and most other people can't manage to do it on something half decent

>>184026925
>implying that guy isn't in kong and his name isn't pardo

>>184027843
The guy could be any number of fagets from kong.
We'll never know for sure; mostly due to reddit spacing which makes me suspect an outside influence.

>>184027979
>reddit spacing

This is among the dumbest memes people have ever started on 4chan, eclipsed only by the concept of summerfags.

What if all quirks were removed and negative quirks like heat gen, cd duration and so on were put on overperforming mechs instead?

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>>184029640
Says the reddit spacer

>>184029685
The game would play completely differently and it'd be a nightmare of balancing.

>>184029685
With nutech evening the odds between clams and IS, I wouldn't mind all that much.
I'll still overperform on my zeuses.

>>184029685
They basically already did that to mobility quirks with engine shittering
>fuck we promised no more negative quirks
>lets change the entire game to circumvent that promise without position changes lol

>>184029828
>use formatting for over two decades, starting all the way back in the Usenet days
>suddenly quote markers are unique to 4chan and having breaks between lines is unique to reddit

I don't understand how people can be so retarded.

>>184029685
It would be easier to just give clams quirks by pod instead of the 8/8 dumbshittery

>>184027843
It's boogeyman. He had his mod powers taken away on mumble after he kept kicking and banning Greg for not liking the same fast food restaurants. Boogey sperged out with harabec and wants to make his own gang now. All he does is sit alone in the scat fetishists room in mumble or instantly disconnects when he sees people on he doesn't like. He's about as bad as pardo now.

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>that one guy upset about reddit spacing
it's the same guy who created /btg/, isn't it?

>>184030151
They're summerfags.

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>>184030353

>>184030313
You left out the literal, actual 5 minutes of grovelling for his mod powers back in hopes he could continue to flex his e-peen.

Change the name of the thread into /grack/ tbqh family man

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>be so wasted you're hearing double.

>>184030313
CHICKEN 65

NEVAR 4 GET

>>184030313
>after he kept kicking and banning Greg
Lmao I bet that subhuman mongrel autist got mentally scared forever.

>>184030734
alcohol lmao

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>mumble drama.

Pic related is my default reaction to it.

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>>184031653

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>>184031942

I haven't played since clan invasion, what's the state of this shitfest. I have a powerful craving for robots buy I dont want to download of it's still a totally unbalanced train wreck.

>>184032629
IS is dominating almost as much as clams during the invasion

>>184032629
Newtech was added but most of it is lackluster. Balance is pretty decent though, IS got some much needed buffs and things are fairly even.

Weapon balance was probably at its peak a year or so ago, and lights got size increases across the board that fucked them, but it's leagues better than things were in the year following the Clan invasion.

>>184032907
lackluster for clams*

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>the team's two deathstrikes go basement in manifold
>"good try"

>>184033495
RACs and MRMs aren't really making waves.

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>>184033735
4 u

>>184033902
>high damage screenshot ""evidence"" memes

Come on anon.

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clams balanced, buff is

>>184033991
I don't mind the scepticism about mrms.
If piggi buffs these babies, I'll be even happier than right now.

>>184033735
>implying RAC5 isn't the most broken weapon that's ever been in the game

>>184034876
Not even close, only good for scaring pubbies like all other screenshake meme weapons.

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>>184035068
>hasn't tried to equip racs on a mech with tonnage that's likely to be ignored in a firefight
The rac bushwackers and riflemen have become forces to be reckoned with

>>184035286
>they're totally good if you get ignored!

You don't say.

What the FUCK are any of these grab deal robots besides Nova Cat

>>184035286
>tfw Urbies can equip a RAC5 and be a credible threat

>>184035592
>Not knowing the Osiris

No excuse. You ought to know the Arctic Wolf if you played MW4 online at all too, the Arctic Wolf was and will be a ridiculously strong robot.

>>184035574
Believe it or not, but it's a team based shooter among other things.

>>184035703
Believe it or not, every weapon is good if you get ignored. Difference being in the time you were running about in the open using your high spread DPS weapon, you could have let off a laser vomit alpha into the CT of the stupid fag standing around firing Really inAccurate Cannons.

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>>184035689
I will finish remembering this robot when they finish drawing the legs

>>184034264
You're forgetting most of the big groups swapped to IS for the event since the nutek came out. At this point it's less about actual balance and more about group dominance.

>>184035924
racs however are extra good when ignored
great for being cheeky behind the assaults

>>184036332
proofs?

>>184030636
>You left out the literal, actual 5 minutes of grovelling for his mod powers back in hopes he could continue to flex his e-peen.
I wish someone had recorded that.

>>184035924
The difference is that the RAC5 potentially lets mechs punch so far above their weight class it's ridiculous, it's an assault/slow heavy killer. The disabling effect of covering the target's screen in explosions is just a bonus.

>>184036332
>>184036332
>it's less about actual balance and more about group dominance
>implying it's not been that way far longer than just the doatech patch

>>184036405
Between Clan players that jumped ship to IS, and others that went Freelancer or Merc to avoid as much BS, there's definitely an imbalance right now.

>bait
>autistic shit flinging
>5 hours later
>kakos bumps the thread from page 10
>repeat

>>184036545
>so far above their weight class it's ridiculous
>RAC5

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=576&l=b60cb03550d89ba2aa4fb2d90af57453c2228ea3

How cute. ECM instead of probe, but smurfy doesn't have the ECM head omnipod shown. Doesn't matter how hot it is, this thing shits out damage.

>>184037423
>http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=576&l=b60cb03550d89ba2aa4fb2d90af57453c2228ea3
>Not the purifier
What are you dumb?

>>184037534
Purifier runs even hotter and requires the HLLs to be mounted in much worse places. Cougar is also better at corner peeking with the MLs in the right arm.

>>184037423
>only 3.05 sustained dps and 29% efficiency
>heavy large flashlight beam durations

>>184037423
>>184037534
>>184037778
If you want to get really crazy you can take 4HMLs 2HLLs for an absurd 76 damage alpha, which is still just manageable enough.

Purifier can't do the first build nearly as well, let alone this one. Purifier is pretty much awful for heavy lasers because the STs are incredibly crit starved.

>>184038058
I'm not sure you appreciate how big an alpha that is for a light mech. That's enough to core out most heavies with a single shot to their rear.

HLLs have the highest damage per tick of any laser btw.

heavy lasers are basically clan racs
though toastier in the good ol' mwo clan fashion

>>184038058
>RACs are good! What do you mean they require too much facetime? They're awesome on light mechs!

>HAHA Heavy lasers? LOL MORE LIKE LIGHT SABERS! That facetime will get you killed!

Almonds: Activated

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>sustained dps

when will this meme finally die

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>>184038540
>want to use heavy lasers to meme on kids
>no idea what the fuck to put them on

Guess I'll experiment with 2 Heavy Laser cheaters sometime

>>184039527
Sustained DPS can be an important factor though. Anytime you're going to be brawling, for instance, it should always be taken into consideration. 8SRM6 in the Huntsman is great and all but when you can't sustain firing it it hardly has any advantages over 6SRM6.

Pointing out a build designed for high alpha strikes has bad sustained DPS is missing the point entirely though.

>>184039894
2HLL was designed for the Shadow Cat.

>>184039985
1HLL to open up the back armor of mechs
6MGs to destroy lots of components

>>184039894
Just do what you do with racs
Put them on tonnages that are likely to be ignored

>>184039527
spook heat on gauss pepsi hit long range alphas pretty hard

2RAC5 is what 6HMG Scat wishes it could be
22 DPS at range for easily 8 to 20 seconds, and not cucked by having to ass-ram for effective range

Any Mech more than two seconds out of position gets to eat at least 80 damage all over their face and that's only from you

>>184040579
That's why you switch to ERLLs/Goose

>>184041298
The effect is largely the same as equipping heavy lasers though
Especially on mechs that can't really deal with dual gauss

DPS Matters

>>184041151
>6HMG

No one uses HMGs. LMGs, senpai.

>>184041439
Can't deal with dual gauss as far as tonnage is concerned, that is.
That's what makes them so very similar with racs

>>184040579
Not really. Goose/Pepsi fell out of favor on pretty much all mechs except the Night Gyr once the skilltree hit. Once it did everyone shifted right back to laser vomit thanks to the skilltree buffing lasers more than any other option. 4ERPPC Warhawk is one of the few outliers. The Mad Cat MKII likely would have seen a lot of 2Gauss2PPC builds had they not been nerfed, given the height of its mounts, speed, jumpjets and hitboxes, but I think even had they not been nerfed the Gauss vomit builds would have been more widely used anyways.

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>tfw getting demoralized by under performing teams

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>>184043864
>tfw get called a tryhard for running goose vomit mechs
>tfw they don't understand that I do it to reliably carry my potatoes in solo queue

>gauss vomit is back on the menu
>2gauss 2erll 6erml dire whale
Now if only the mech wasn't dogshit we'd be in business

>>184044835
*points*
Tryhard!

It'd be about time piggi acknowledged the imbalance between team positioning in grim plexus domination
Building side team has little chance at winning

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>*points*

>>184045803
>implying they give a fuck
They can't even fix Mining Colonoscopy by swapping alpha and charlie lances on the side where they spawn on the wrong edges.

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>>184039894
Heavy medium lasers are useful.
They can support other weapons well, like add 40 alpha for just 4t to some less hot weapons.
Or give large alphas to lights for back stabbing.
I've been having fun with some hml ebin memes.

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>>184048390
A testament to how sometimes you just can't carry enough

Vederation

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This game is making my RPG use-item autism surface again.

I will sit there not using items because WHAT IF I NEED THEM to the end boss, and now I have 800 general SP that I am reluctant to just slap on mechs I want to play.

I am retarded.

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>>184048476
Was a fun game, tho.

Have you accepted the mrm60+uac20 AS7-D as your lord and savior of fun yet?

>>184049497
Holy shit I do this too
>well I have over 800 GSP but that's only enough to fully master less than ten mechs
>well my assaults and heavies do enough damage they'll probably level themselves easy enough better save the GSP for total shitmechs
>well maybe just 30 GSP but no more for you goymech, gotta farm the rest as xp

>>184049187
YIFFE!

>>184049497
GSP is best saved for brand new mech insertions like 2C for Cbills and such
The in game consumables your should just spend the moment you see a good red smoke target, the longer your wait the worse it gets

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>rotary autocannons are ba-

>>184054554
>not even 1k

what are you trying to prove

>>184054607

look at dat efficiency though

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>>184049557
I'm more of a mrm 60 + lpl zeus myself
But it's good to see others appreciate the missing registration missile

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>>184054778
I'd try if I had a zoose.
Missing registration missiles are fun.
That uac synergy is real, tho.
You can lead the stream of shells and missiles at the same time and get dat raw alpha on doubleclick.

>>184055145
A real man's brawling tool

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>>184056117
Just keeps doing damage no matter what.
100 alpha at 300 and 90+ at 400 is a fun thing.

>>184056345
Let's just hope piggi doesn't find out

>>184054778
MRM60, 2LPL?

>>184056804
mrm 60 + 1 lpl
Gotta have tonnage for the masc

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>>184056556
I'm enjoying it while I can.
Finaly a legit atlas build that is not worthless beyond 270m.
Gives me a bit of a mwll vibe.
If some of you got scammed by piggy into buying a founders atlas back in the day, now is the time to play it.

>>184056916
Oh, a Skommosh(sp). I have a 6T and 9S2 currently.

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>>184057105
Arm mounted mrms are a bit too wonky at close ranges
They kinda spread out due to how wide the zeus is causing an angle
The torso mounted hardpoints and the masc are the secret ingredients when it comes to mrm brawling on a zeus
Not to mention it's the only variant with 4 missile hardpoints even for srm builds

I just spend 6 million customizing a firestarter. What the hell was I thinking?

>>184060303
That you like to waste c-bills?

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>muh stealth armor

How's this event treating everyone?

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So this works well with the High Roller. It blasts the shit out of everyone and few if anyone expect it coming out of a bushwacker.

>>184068112
>single LRM 5
F R E E DAMAGE

>>184065450
I wish I was dead

I think clan ERPPC's ought to do 12 damage for 12 heat

>>184068112
Double RAC 5's with 3 SL is still my jam.
>>184060303
Its made me back a cool million in less than an hour

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>>184065450

>>184068112
you've got 5 weapon groups. I never have more than 3 cause thats all i have room for on my mouse.

Firestarter FS9 A

6 ML's
2 LPPC's

>>184068112

If you're going to drive a shitfit, at least swap the LRM5 for an RL20.

>>184070759
With how the meta is right now they could be real Clan ERPPC's and just do 15 flat damage where they hit.

It was too good when clams were released, it's not too good now with all the bullshit crazy weapons

>>184071443

>it's not too good now with all the bullshit crazy weapons

If you want a 15 damage PPC, you can give up your 2 slot DHS

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Why waste a perfectly good assault as a LRM boat? I think I'm utilizing my position in the team quite well here

>>184071663
How about giving up some of those magic bonuses for your 15 pinpoint ppc
Or some of that full customization with no locked trash

:^)

>>184065450
Having only just started and still in trial mechs can I take part in the event? How often do events happen?

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>>184068112
>all that back armor
>available armor for the right arm
>all those different weapon groups
>a single LRM 5
>XL 275 instead of 280
It's like everything someone could possibly do in a mech to piss me off.

>tfw in a 1v1 situation
>peek the guy once
>go back into cover to cool down for a second
>suddenly I get hit by a shit ton of damage and die
>the guy spammed 3 airstrikes on me.
Wow I sure love getting killed by pure skill

>>184072035
you are going to die so fast

>>184074713
I die as soon as I alpha strike

>>184073017

Ok, do we get 7 slot endo and ferro too?

I wish the Uziel's arms were out about 15% more and dropped down a few feet.

It just looks off and it's not like the Ebon Jaguar is trash for having wide ass arms. I feel like they more or less altered the design to make it "good" by not having its hardpoints too spread out or too low, and they ended up with a scrunched up abomination of what it should have looked like

I hope you weird fuckers arguing actually autistically only play Clan or IS Mechs.

Because you sound like you do with all this retarded "WELL YOU GOTTA GIVE THIS UP THEN!!!".

For most of us, that's basically "I want this weapon to be better because its band-aid fix isn't necessary anymore, but hmmm, I better fuck over some of my other mechs in the process because of reasons, also reasons"

>>184073464
There are a few mechs that can't take more than a 275 so it can be an economical choice to buy that instead of a 280. I only have both because I've been playing the game for way too long.

>>184076986
>I want this weapon to be better because its band-aid fix isn't necessary anymore
Except the band aid fix is still necessary for balance, hence why it is there.

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>>184076505

>Uziel
>"good"

>>184079034
>There are a few mechs that can't take more than a 275
Right, a few. Everything else can use a 280, which is reason why you should prioritize that and only buy 275's for the oddballs. You're doing the inverse of that, which makes you a fucking retard. You're going slow purposefully for no reason.

>>184068112
This thing is a nightmare
Drop the LRM, drop the machine guns, drop AMS, move the rotary AC5 to the right torso, strip the right arm and go from there.

>>184080264
Which is worse?

Cougar or Uziel?

>>184082903
Uziel easily

>>184082903

>memey UAC20 light
>armor quirkless pinata medium

i unno

So, um, are DWF viable again?

>>184084987
No, why would you think that?

Does anyone know if the Cougar has any quirks on its frames? Or is it the usual Clan 2.5% exp boost "quirk"? I'd like to know whether I'd want one mech and go happy with pod swapping, or two for specific builds

>>184086474
Open the mechlab and hover over any omnipod part. The set bonuses will be shown in the card.

>>184086772
>set bonus
This is still the most retarded mechanic in the game. It is antithetical to omnipods.

>>184086772
I don't own a Cougar of my own yet, and so far as I can tell quirks don't show up on Smurfy, which is why I'm asking

>look at nightstar variants
>standard package variants are all the same thing
>only interesting variants are from reinforcement
piggi really milking now aren't they

>>184086952
Picking the pods with all the hardpoints and stuffing literally everything on one side is antithetical to Battletech. You either use your butt ugly but efficient deadsided mech without the bonus or you give it up and get a small boost.

Never ending bitching about why you can't have everything in a system designed around weighing tradeoffs.

>>184087070
Oh right, can't preview it if it isn't in the store. I think you might be able to see if it has set bonuses if you look far back enough in the website's news reel but not entirely sure about that. Wait until someone who owns Cougars to post screenshots then.

>>184087796
How do you want your Mauler?
Just make it 5 tons heavier and better in every way.
>Nightstar 9P

How do you want your King Crab?
Just make it 5 tons lighter and better in every way.
>Nightsar 10P

Make Greg Great Again

>>184087901
Guess I'll have to wait then. If they are quirkless (or the quirks are garbage) I think I'm going to get the COU-H and buy variant arms or side torsos for quick weapon swaps, since I think the ECM and jumpjets will help its survivability. If it does somehow have decent quirks, I think I'll be getting the COU-H and PRIME and work from there. I know I'll be getting one no matter what, because not only is it a Jade Falcon mech it is also cute

>>184087070

All of them have +16 structure to legs

>prime
LT/RT
+5 structure

>c
RT
+10% accel
+10% decel
+10% turn rate
+10 armor

LT
-5% ballistic CD
+10% armor
>d
+5 ST structure

>e
nothing

>h
LT/RT
+2 JJ

>ba

nothing

>>184088487

Nightstar will have shit awful convergence compared to Mauler. No way it's better than it on a pure geometry basis.

>>184089095
Fuck. Well, guess I better start saving up my C-bills

Let's be real here is the Nightstar worth it at all

>>184089442
see >>184089217

There are powerful build options, but the convergence issues caused by the arm mounted ballistics will probably make most of them more frustrating than fun to play.

>>184088487
How is it a better King Crabby besides the ostensibly better yet still untested hitboxes? With the engine rating cutoff at 345 it is just under the magic number; so both bad choices are to either stick with 325 and move slower than a KGC with a 350, or take a special snowflake 345. Alternatively scrounge up a 340 somewhere because other older mechs may have come with those. It even has hands in the way of the arm ballistics.

Only thing its got going for it is ECM.
>skillpocalypse
>ECM

>hotfix
>no fix for uziels upper torso
thanks pgi

Guys is MWO p2w?

>>184091412

In the grand scheme of things? Not really compared to other F2P games.

Anything by Gaijew or Wargaming is orders of magnitude more P2W.

>>184091495
I want the Nips to create a Battletech version of GuP so that my big stompy robots can be cuter.

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Help me make the MX90 fun plz

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up to 59 robots now, remade every single one from scratch too to make them more consistent, still have some robots left that require manually making transparent cutouts

>>184091862
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=326&l=0015ac6a6706693418e6d9da15f09b126419b84d
arm lasers because stumps are ugly and I don't like becoming a stick when I run out of ammo

>still no quirks for uziel
what the fuck are they even smoking?

>>184091862
CASE? Wut.

>>184091862
tier 5 deadweight build
s m h

>announce the Uziel, an icon of the franchise of legendary magnitude, only mech that can stand against the Mad Cat in fame
>release a minimally viable, worst medium mech in the entire game instead

10/10 PGI

>>184094060
>a minimally viable, worst medium mech in the entire game instead
I must remind you that Trebuchet, Penis Hawk and Kintaro exist as well. I know it's easy to forget they exist but they are still there as shit as ever.

>>184094856
Trebuchet is a legit large laser boat or AC/5 PPC boat or an SRM brawler

Phoenix Hawk does very well with 6 ER mediums and stealth armor

Even the Kintaro as an LRM/SRM boat is better than the Uziel, hell maybe it even has some MRM builds now

HLL + ERML Executioner is sleeper OP
Don't tell anyone

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pick for me

>>184096865
Do you like mad dogs?

>>184096865
Kurita for Mauler-chan.

>use MRMs
>1,000 damage 3 KMDD
>post screenshot
(^:

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>>184098006
>It's not like I could possibly be shit at this game

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Somebody ask Russ when he's going to start selling golden mechs to pay for the lawsuit!

He could call it: The Harmony Gold Supporter Pack.

>>184098561
https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/255438-plz-pgi-release-a-legal-eagles-mech-pack-so-we-can-say-f-u-to-harmony-gold/
>plz pgi let me suck your cock

>>184095760
>HLL
Where did the tonnage go?
I have more than critslots available.

>>184099170
You use 3

>sacrificing beam duration, range, reload time and crit slots for extra damage at the cost of extra heat
I seriously hope you guys dont do this

>>184104502
Literally racs

>>184099201
I like /gerg/ to have a name for such people like (you).
Something like
>ghost heat cuck
but more funny and offensive

>>184103992
B-but it all stacks really well in smurfy!

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=470&l=a0a35d5ff01224eee33c14fecad8139435678536

>>184104746
Not with that dps and dph

>>184105017
That's just clans being clans

Next thread is /mwog/ right?

>>184105182
no it's /grack/

>>184105262
Giant robots what?

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>>184107185

>>184107185
>>184107316
Ebin ancient memez

>>184107185
I seriously don't understand how they managed to fuck up so badly.

>>184108094
It's great desu
All I'd want them to do is flatten the jutting CT

>>184107185
>>184107316
rip in piece spurdo

kong drops happening I guess

>>184109905
but i hate mumble

>>184110362
i hate my team

Why does Uziel, a 50 ton mech with the front profile the size of a Mad Cat (with ears), have no quirks?

>>184111074
PGI thought it was clam until the last minute and forgot to fix

What is a good starter mech to get after Trials?

What is the best assault in the game?
Something that can do over a thousand?

>>184111570
Warhammer 6R, it's just a really easy mech with many meta-friendly builds available. Unless missiles somehow become the best thing in the world, the 6R will always stay relevant.

>>184111570
Stormcrow does everything
not sure about IS equivalent that will teach good habits

>>184111638
Supernova

>>184111638
Victor

I wish this game had less shitmechs

>>184112540
It could have every single mech be viable if PGI had been thinking long term when they designed the game. But because PGI are incompetent hacks, they weren't.

>>184111638
Awesome 8R
Original goat 1k assault mech

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>>184111638
>>184111758
Can confirm

>>184112909
If engine scamming meant giving every mech good torso twist speed regardless of weight or engine like it's on TT, assaults might actually be minimally viable instead of nonexistantly viable.

>>184113042
Original?

You mean ancient

>>184113128
That's not what I'm talking about but sure.

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>>184107185
>>184107316

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>>184113102
Posting Solo Q screenshot

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>>184113495
Who could be behind this post?

>>184113495
>>184113102
>posting airstrike screenshots

>>184114007
>posting this much jelly

>>184114091
>airstrikes vs 8 assaults
>look at my damage numbers!

>>184113102
>1,800 damage using lasers
that's just bad aim

What hero do I buy?

>>184115706
two Purifiers, milk AMS, get a quick UAV smoke kill then suicide to your spare and repeat

non-obsolete atms when

>>184118009
when lrms become meta

>>184113102
Ain't that the top playa in GONK, esteemed Whispers-sama?

I wish I was half as good as Whispers-sama

t. Kakos Kolos

>>184113102
I'm just glad you rekt that loud manchild puresin

>>184113495
>censoring names
>really?

>>184126219
hi new friend

>>184126219
>implying it's not a phat red smoke plume from Acc"Collateral Damage"curs3d airstrikes

>>184126872
I have 5 consumable slots on over 100 mechs.

>>184126872
>Acc"Collateral Damage"curs3d
kek

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>>184126872
They should've gotten out of the way

t.
Art of War by Kakos "Kill Them All" Kolos

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>>184129991
>Art of War by Kakos "Kill Them All" Kolos
Foreword by Acc"ON MY POSITION"curs3d

>>184131581
Th hero we need

The Black Knight really is impossible to make good again isn't it? Even though they patched the PPC quirks to work on the new models.

That rescale truly murdered it.

>>184132642
>PPC black knight

>>184132642
It'll be fixed at the same time as when they buff clams
:^)

ゲーマー勢のMercユニットがISに移動しただけじゃないの
ISだろうがClanだろうが中の人がすべてだから

very funny kakos

>>184134005
And a ching chong nip nong to you too, young lady.

Regards,
your uncle Rank 10 Mercenary

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wew boyos

https://mechwarrior.com/mechcon

>>184132642
It's still 75 tons worth of laser vomit which hurts but the knee high weapon mounts just aren't worth it over the Grasshopper which is a little lighter but has way better mounts.