/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General!

Clans and IS are balanced.
First post proofs it.

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Robots.

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Mechwarrior is a simulation game!

I can't read!

>stupid opinion
>stupid bimbo reaction image

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>>183525969

>>183524992
post proofs

>>183524636
make a new fucking OP already come on

>>183526136
What do you want added?

>>183526286
remove kong cuz they suck ass

>>183526568
that's only dashing though

How's the new IS stuff?

Should I get back into the gaem for it?

>>183526598
11 (eleven)

2HML+2ATM9+2UAC10 Niggyr
or
2ATM12+2MPL+UAC20

I'm liking ATMs so far, better than LRMs and the spread is decent.

>niggyr

>>183526052

X-pulse lasers when?

>>183527804
2nd Quarter 2020 is the plan.

hello?

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What's your favourite mech sim game?

>>183528474
Future Cop L.A.P.D.

>>183528651
Great fucking music too.

RED SMOKE REEEEEEEEEEE

>>183528474
MechAssault.

>>183528474
lamao who is this autistic slag wtf?

>>183528474
Battletech: The Crescent Hawk's Inception

>>183528474
MechWarrior 3050.

>>183528474

Mechwarrior online.

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>Escort
>Do assault duty, dying only after opening a good few CTs and losing all non vital components
>Oh boy time to spectate pubs
>Fully fresh, fully projectile banshee who just absolutely can't use ballistics or other projectile weapons worth a damn
>Activates after all other assaults are dead going into spray and pray mode, using advanced zoom at close to medium range
>mostly hits trees and a few teammates' backs, but still manages to finish off 2 people
>Goes on to pad his damage numbers on the VIP's back
NAITCRALR you make me sick

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>tfw we would have mechwarrior 10 by now if a competent company like EA would have bought the license

>>183528474
Megaman3

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>1236 match score
just don't die ez event btw IS are op op :^)

>>183531404
goto bed

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>>183528474

Walking War Robots.

>>183531807
only if you come with me

>>183531339
>wanting everything from companies like EA or Ubishit
this is the devil's bargain, anon

>>183531404
>those ass textures

>>183531964
high skill requires high fps :^)

>>183532065
>high fps
good joke I get about 40 on crimson

>>183531339
>competent
>EA
I don't think you know what that word means my friend

>>183531913
already shitposting from my bed
i just want to play with my grab deals somewhere next week

be advised

>>183528474
Mechwarrior 3.
I freaking play it every once in a while to remind me what a good sim could be,

>>183532161
kmp

is it me or does fw have really shitty fps compared to regular games

>>183532320
more shit = more unoptimized PGI garbage to filter

>>183532320
Yes, especially sulfurous rift

>>183532196
"We're tracking the Thor, lance leader do you read?"

>>183532196
Out of all the games mentioned this one is an arcade shooter not a sim tho.

>>183532196
>>183532812

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMlJQ0G3zk4

The cinematics alone sell the game. It's a shame it was rushed.

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>>183531919
>>183532143
we would have at least a real sim by now

>>183532812
On the /btg/ thread on /tg/, someone put in the second to last pastebin the audio for I think Mechwarrior 3 and Mechcommander 1 as workable files.

I wish I had that pic of the chick saying they found smoked cheese and it can't fit in the MFB.

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>>183533324
>I wish I had that pic of the chick saying they found smoked cheese and it can't fit in the MFB.

Here.

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>>183533243
>stackpoling

>>183533514
And he scores! Thanks, man!

>IS are even winning scouting now

feelsbadclan

is it time to sell all my clan stuff and change to IS

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>>183528651
>>183529094
>>183529319
>>183529568
>>183530031
>>183530481
>>183531352
>>183531882
>>183532196
Thanks, senpais!

>>183534036
All me ;)

All the fucking mercenaries and freeshitters are playing clans no wonder clans suck in FW, every IS group is full of faction tags.

>>183534293
>implying the biggest tryhards aren't merc units

>he doesn't try hard

wow, never thought /gerg/ would have underachievers, guess that explains the 11 damage warriors around here

30% missile cooldown and 20% missile velocity mad dog with 2ATM12s

y/n

>TFW no GONK FP/FW/CW group drops

>>183535925
Kit's actually really bad isn't he

>>183536480
They're better than anyone else in Kong

They proved this in batchalls

>>183536610
>they
what did xe meme by this?

>>183535847
I'm legit thinking about this rn too. Or in a Timber Wolf for added armor

>>183535847
Atleast you're going to feed those delicious missiles into AMS at a good pace with all that cooldown.

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>>183536610
>they
Not even human then?

>>183537214
Furries are animals

>>183535847
If you insist on doing atms then do them poptart style on a huntsman or scat

>>183537348
> insist on doing atms

what did he mean by this

>>183537524
There are people that love going ass to mouth despite obvious repercussions

Do LFE work the same way as clan XLs?

>>183540558
Yes

>Grabdeal cute fox hero
>Deal 500 dmg average per game, melting all low slung arm CTs over hills with quad med pulse while removing missiles with normal ams x 3.
pssshh
nothing personnel kid

>>183540558
Literally exactly the same except heavier. No reason to use standard unless for some reason you really want that 11-slot ballistic in your torso.

>>183541720
zombie mech and not move slower when you lose a torso

>>183541720

What if I want to zombie and now I can't put it in my cent.

>>183542045
Cent without LT is already dead.

So with the new tech what should I be doing with my MX90 Mauler?

I've been using AC2's for sometime but the dakka isn't great. Thinking it's time to switch out to UAC5's

>>183542356
6x ac5

>>183542457
Can I even fit that many? Light Engine?

>>183542565
It can, but you won't have much ammo. I think you'd end up with around 7 tons for those 6 AC5s.

>Bushwacker
>more armor than 65 tonner

piggy quirks are so fucking stupid

>>183543573
It's that way because the arms are useless.

whats the point of clan lasers now, they're so fucking hot over IS lasers, and the whole array of choices clan lasers offer is complete garbage because they're mediocre at everything

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Totally not pay to win
6kmdd

>>183544973
I'm still not convinced the new Mad Cat is op

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>clam assault is op because it isn't shit

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I guess I'm not getting that free camo pattern.

The niggeraids is to high, just had a dom game where fucknobs just gave up and stood outside of the circle not doing anything but waiting for a timer to run out.

>>183545536
it's the best clan assault ie the thing at the top of a pile of shit

I have like a 1-4 winloss ratio as clan in fw

>finally get into a team with prem stacks
>in the end every single one of them does triple digits
Kerensky spins in his grave.

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who /regret buying clan mechs/ now

>tfw you can't carry a pug with over 1k damage

the forces of potato are too much

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>>183549680
only bought the cougar b/c i like it
fucc u i do what i want

>>183549680
I still like my Stormcrow and Ebon Jaguar

>shitcrow

>>183549680
I dunno I only own 3 mechs and frankly the Black Knight and Mauler are poo

>>183549680
Nope, but then again I don't do faction shit.

>>183549680
I play my Timber Prime and Hunch IIC and Arctic Cheetah AND my Supernova No regrets.

I sold my Timber Wolf because it doesn't do anything outright better than Niggyr, Ebin or Hellbringer

>>183550858
ppc srm brawl?

>>183550858
Then you're a fool.

>>183550858
Good call, at this point it's the shittiest clam heavy, even worse than the thor.

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>clan mechs constantly nerfed
>linebacker is still the most fun I can have in a mech
>Redline is proving to be a solid investment

not a single regret

yeah, rip

>>183554851
>Redline
>65t mech with less space than a 55t
What do you even do with it? 6SPL + 3HMG?
[SPOILER] build pls

>>183554948
6 CMedicine Pulse, 6 extra Heatsinks. Strip one arm all the way down and jam the sinks in the free arm. You can do the same build without the Redline, you just have to put one of the Medicine Pulses in the arm with the heatsinks. I guess if you really wanted you could do 6 CERMemes with more heatsinks or something.

I might go FULL MEME and attempt to make a heavy laser build,
but heavy lasers are pretty shit so I doubt it will work out.

>tfw greg is the most successful man in kong

how will haruko ever recover?

>>183555865
shut up Greg you autist grognard dunce

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t-thanks piggy

>>183554948
>check build

>fits perfectly and keeps 8/8 quirks

what the fuck??

>>183556035
Do you need a safe space?

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>>183556035
proofs that IS is better than clams

>>183556156
yes pls stop is mechs from bullying me

>>183555484
From what I've found, heavy lasers are best used sparingly, or for specific purposes. For example, I've got 4 Heavy Mediums on my Viper. Bad for brawling, but when I can take snipe shots and backstabs, 40 points of focused damage in a little over 1s will cripple a part or strip a damaged one off anything short of an Assault.

>>183561302
They're really shitty when you have to fight things that can dance around a lot. If you're a light mech backstabbing distracted heavies? Shit's pretty fucking cash.

just saw a lurm hellbringer in fp holy shit

heavy lasers are lasers you want if you don't have heat problems but you want heat problems

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>>183556035
>clans win three tukayyids reaching 100% in less than a day each time
>whining when the inner sphere finally wins a crappy faction play event

It's like you didn't know your own tech superiority until it was suddenly taken from you.

>>183562393
Clans are supposed to be better than IS though :^)

>>183562393
all that nutec should be omni we should be seeing loki's with rac2's and hml's

>Direwolf sitting on spawn sniping the enemy 1000 meters away with double Gauss

are there bots or did I seriously ust watch this retarded shit

>>183562739
Maybe if they beyond the actual Civil War era instead of lol3057 and get faction play to IS vs IS and Clan vs Clan they will eventually get to mixtech later or at least having faction drops with mixed units. But it'll probably not happen considering how much they are fixated on Clan vs IS balance.

>>183563521
NERF CLAMS

>>183562350
I use one on my Shadow Cat and I still don't have heat problems
It's nice

Which weapons are good? It seems like they all suck except for a few ACs

>>183563521
They do need to open up inter-faction fighting. The IS were still fighting each other just as much as they were fighting the Clans during the invasion. And it'd be great to see which IS side would actually win in a fight amongst them all.

>>183565427
Are you talking IS of Clam?

>>183565497
both sides

>>183565427
If you're talking about "being able to blow someone's arm off in two hits", yeah, the large autocannons are pretty much your only option for that. Everything else you have to fire multiple times or focus fire to get good results

>>183565582
>not aiming at center mass to explode side torso while damaging center and popping the offending arm clean off

Heavy lasers feel better on lights, the opposite of boating lots of smalls, you just put on one or two HLL and alternate fire.

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I am the team, double LBX20 double pepsi

Are my Shadow Cat bros still out there? What builds you runnin'?

>>183567514
I see no KONGer on that list.

>>183567585

you would be right

>>183567529
HLL, 6HMGs
Go for the juicy ass shots.

>>183566992
They are good on lights, but they're terrible for fighting other lights.They're great for killing things that are standing still, or are slow enough that you can maintain full burns on.

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>>183567695
>HLL recommended
>(X) Doubt
>check Smurfy
>HLL has better damage per heat than Large Laser, Medium Laser and Large Pulse
>this is Piggy's grand crescendo

W H A T ?

>>183568193
What did you expect from the pig? Like, for real?

>>183569462
I expected Large Laser to be more efficient than the Heavy version of the Large Laser

>>183569558
But it's a ClanERLL, it's still paying for the sins of the early era of the invasion.

If you want to pick a unique color from the event, pick Clan Wolf Dark Tan. No other color in the game is like it.

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Why is the top barrel so much shorter than the bottom ones?

>>183554948
>6SPL + 3HMG?
>>183556084
>8/8 quirks

Is this Linebacker build actually good? I thought SPLs got nerfed into oblivion.

>>183570971
PGi is all about consistency.

Being consistently half-assed.

>be RACwacker
>grabbed all armor skills, all heat gen skills, all heat cap skills
>always 2 kills 700 damage every game
>tfw 55 ton death vomit machine vs anyone that dares allow me to stare at them
>tfw this mech is the one that will get me through tier 2 instead of my old laser vomits and srm brawlers

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>>183572693
Forgot to say, I know 700 damage isn't a top tier, but it means a lot to me when I'm getting it /every/ game and not only in the easy ones. Before I'd go anywhere between 0/200 and 4/900 without any consistency.

>wan't to play robots
>update game (Steam)
>launch game
>won't launch
>the process just sits there doing nothing but taking up a whole core's worth of CPU power
Did the game just get replaced with a bitcoin miner or what?

>>183572910
700 damage is relatively top tier considering the kinds of mooks that play the game
And 1000 damage every once in a while would be a testament to legit piloting and mech building skills

>>183573220
1000 damage is a testament to a) red smoke positioning and b) retarded enemies

>>183573265
If one uses red smoke then yes, you would be right.

loose
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=315&l=c190241befb6baf79b826e84b027f05f8db64511

>>183573965
>80 ton mech
>less armament than a medium
Get out of here Greg

>>183574225
It's a Zeus, what did you expect?

>>183574282
I don't know, something that moved 60kph and had a weapon combo stronger than 2AC10s

>>183574338
Then you have set your expectations too high.

>>183574385
What about something like this? This one has a bunch of armor quirks but the others have 10% velocity of you want that instead.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=315&l=20afb5246d128a234c36bdffb2f934a246c7ace7

>>183574385
alternatively you could do two smugs and a UAC instead of the medium range sand blaster, cut off the arm armor of you need the space

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please kill yourself

>>183575435
>>183575495
You are piloting a Zeus. The only reason to pilot a Zeus is because you like the way it looks, this means tubes in the right arm and a big gun in the left arm. Any other way just means you are piloting a sub-optimal shitbot for no reason.

>>183575982
You can have fun with a mildly optimal build instead of an obviously bad build.

>>183576163
Shitmech with style is a lot more fun than a shitmech with no style.

>>183576449
That's just your opinion.

>>183576637
No it's a fact.

>>183575982
>>183576449
>>183576868
With the advent of nutech and light engines, the zeus can perform just fine. The 5s has all the structure quirks, but all its hardpoints are in the wrong place.
The missile arm should be a shield arm and any and all missile builds should be preserved for the skokomish.
The 6s is the real nigga variant with its 4 energy torsos which you can mix with a uac10.

>>183577269
>Zeus without missiles
Some people have standards you know.

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So are 4 guass rifles on the annihilator just a meme or is that a thing since I saw that earlier

>>183577353
That's what I have the skokomish for

>>183577385
lmao no crit slots

>come back to stompy robots after a year
>completely overwhelmed by changes
Send help

>>183577748
It's a beautiful learning process

>>183577353
>>183576868
>>183576449
Is this Greg?

>>183578104
No it's someone who isn't shit at this easy game.

Redpill me on the new weapons.
Is there ever any point in going with heavy lasers over pulses?
Are ATMs basically straight-firing lurms?

>>183578408
Heavies are pub killers since most of them don't grasp twisting
ATMs are best used as a poptart weapon system on mediums like scat and huntsman, but even then, only effective against pubs, and EVEN then, only if the enemy has no ams amongst them.

>>183578408
heavy is worth it if you are exceptionally heat efficient and have one or two free energy points spare, their extra heat is not overwhelmingly worse

atms are worse lrms, don't even bother

>>183578314
If you're the guy who posted that zeus build then you shouldn't flatter yourself all that much

>>183578676
>>183578686
So there really isn't any major shakeup in how you build clambots?

>>183579203
Get good.

>>183579238
Yep

>>183579238
Oh wait I just noticed they murdered pepsigoose.
>novelty IS ppcs and HGoose in the game
>seearrpepsi still not uncucked

>>183579248
Stay mad, Stay bad

>>183579238
clam weapons got worse and gauss+ppc builds are dead, switched back to gauss vomit or laser vomit. heavy large and heavy medium are okay but only because the other ones got painfully nerfed. MPL is still viable but again, because others got nerfed harder than MPL did.

IS builds changed massively, clam is basically unchanged and exists only for lightweight dakka and omnipod hardpoint count at the expense of quirks and heat efficiency

>>183579382
If you can't perform in solo queue with that Zeus build, really you need to get good. A single UAC10 is enough to perform in the solo queue.

>>183579317
Technically you can still pepsigoose, just gotta stagger your fire a bit

>>183579429
ability to perform with shit builds in a pub setting does not make your shit builds good

>>183579317
>>183579386
>pepsi goose being dead
lol these shitters

>>183579429
Anything can work in solo queue

>>183579498
>>183579518
Holy christ how can you miss the point this hard.

>/gerg/ I can't read edition 2: electric boogaloo

>>183579570
You're not making your case all that well, so you shouldn't flatter yourself about your thought process either

>>183579637
Pretty straight forward, learn to read.

What is with this influx of retards in /gerg/ all of the sudden? I want to go back to dead game dead thread.

>>183579687
You're embarassing yourself

>>183579687
nutech means nuretards in /gerg/ m8

>>183579748
Man you ran out of things to say pretty quick.

I don't know who this nuGreg guy is, but I want the old one back. This guy is even worse at coherent discussion, he makes no points then expects us to pat him on the back.

>>183579920
>trying to fit in by being a passive aggressive kaelus

>>183579967
you do realize we're both anonymous, right? don't waste time giving me shit about fitting in

>>183579967
It's time to stop posting nugreg
Passive aggressivity is the norm on all boards and all threads

>tfw kaelus in /gerg/ shitting up the thread

>>183580057
Not in my general, here we say "kys faggot" and not some sugar coated reddit bullshit.

>>183573965
This build is genuinely awful, even as a fellow Zeus pilot I cannot endorse such a subpar build in good faith. You should listen to what >>183577269 had to say and apply it to your Zeus-building.

How do you guys run the MX90?

>>183582491
with a lotta gun

>>183582534
Pure gun or or gun+splat?
Are RACs actually worth taking over UACs?
t. clueless

>>183582574
pure gun

>>183582574
RACs aren't worth mixing with other weapons, if you can boat UAC you should boat purely UAC.

>>183582574
But preferably no racs
It's better to boat acs and uacs on the mauler
Mechs of fewer tonnage have an easier time getting the most out of racs since they're more likely to be ignored, while something like a mauler would just get alphad by the enemy from cover over and over while revving the racs up

>>183582806
I see.
So what's the best platform for RAC5s?
Something along the lines of Rifleman/Bushwacker?
Also do 'IS AC/5' kverks also apply to UACs and RACs?

>>183582963
rifleman or bushwhacker are your best bet I'd say

>>183582449
800+ consistently is good enough for me and it's a fun loadout. I'm not expecting 1300 damage games in a Zeus, I've had maybe two of those in total with a typical brawling setup.

>>183582963
and no, the kwirks don't apply, only general ballistics ones

>>183583073
Thanks.

Huginn any good?

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really loving my new uziel, everything about it is well-put-together

>>183585136
thx 4 ur money :^)
no refunds :^)

>>183585136
you gotta spice up your texture quality doe

>>183585136
Wait until you see the hip gap :)

>>183585498
huh? what's a hip gap?

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>>183585654
Oh sweet summer child:

I want more assaults with masc

How's the spirit bear nowadays?

>>183586074
ded

>>183586074
Might as well not exist in the game anymore.

>>183586074
It was already a dogshit variant, then piggy nerfed Kodiak torso twist angles and removed the quirks. And then they dumpstered the entire chassis even more with engine retarding.

>>183586159
>>183586182
>>183586192
shit

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>pure f2p and planned on buying a hero mech with mc accumulated from events
>decided on the huginn, but then the uziel was announced just as I almost had enough to get it
>hold onto my mc for the uziel's mc release so I can get the belial
>suddenly hero mech sale
Fug. I've been doing really well with my kitfox, and it earns about 200k per match on average, so I'm now super tempted to buy the Purifier so I can really turn it into an earnings machine. But I also still want the Huginn as well. I could easily get both, but I've only got 4880 MC, and I expect the Belial to be around 3500-4000 MC. What should I do? Is the Belial worth holding onto my MC for, or is it better to splurge while the sale is going on and get the Huginn I've been wanting for a while and the Purifier that I know I'll get plenty of use out of?

>>183587104
well purifier is the best clan light in the game so there's that

>>183587104
Purifier makes sense for the torso pods and hero bonus. the other two frankly aren't very good

>>183587250
>100kph light is the best clan light in the Huh?? What happened to the Arctic Cheetah???

>>183587104
I'd get the purifier if I were you
I sure did

>>183587457
Cheetah was indirectly nerfed through the nerfs to clan small pulse

>>183587104
There's only a few reasons to get a hero
>the chassis is your mechfu and you want to make bonus cbills with it and also the hero isn't garbage
>the hero has p2w omnipods that let you meme harder than anything you can buy with cbills and you really want the build that they let you do (Pajeet, Ultrawhale)

>>183587457
>What happened to the Arctic Cheetah???
ECM got nerfed to uselessness, especially on Clan side since they don't get Stealth Armor to make it remotely useful again.

cSPL crutch got removed from the game, which is the only build the Cheetah was worth for. Which isn't even that relevant because Purifier did that better too.

Uhhh... so rewind, why is the Kit Fix good when it only goes 100kph??

>>183587697
Speed is a meme.
Nobody needs more than 80 sanics.

>>183587697
Purifier is good, the other Kit Foxes are not. BIG difference.

4HML Cheetah :^)

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>>183587738
... huh??
If that's true then why does everyone love the Ice Ferret???

I'm confused

Is there any way to make Banshee viable in the current meta?

>>183587738
Nice meme fag
>t. Redline

>>183587896
ballistics
projectiles
don't miss

>>183587896
UAC20 on a light engine with a bunch of ERMLs maybe.

Maybe some kind of gauss HPPC meme

What Mechs are on sale? I want to spend money

>>183587896
It's already minimally viable, you don't even need to change your build. 3LPL 5ML or whatever it was. Get some torso twist speed from skilltree so you can use the shield arms better. It doesn't even need to switch to LFE.

Are sawn-off pepsis any good?
Is the era of kitchen sink shitmechs being minimally viable finally upon us between them and murms?

>>183587868
>everyone love the Ice Ferret
>everyone
There are like 5 diehard meme magisters in the game that actually like that thing.

>>183588203
Smug PPCs are bretty gud, hot as fuck tho, gonna want those heatgen nodes.

Missing Registration Missiles are a meme. I've pumped 1500 of them into stationary targets and only done 700~ damage while spreading it everywhere. Literally better off with ASRMs unless you're trying to meme with a MRM40 in your single missile slot.

>>183588203
smug and hepsi are okay, uacs are better than ever, racs are okay on their own, murms are not, new gausses are kind of a meme,, andver go ass to mouth

also LFE made every IS mech in the game better

>>183588203
I'm struggling to think of a good kitchen sink setup
Maybe SRMs, UACs and one smug?

>>183588490
>LFE made every IS mech in the game better
not lights
not 40 tonners
not 45 tonners

>>183588619
sink builds will always be srms, medium lasers and acs because everything else is too hot together

>>183589197
wrong

>>183589253
example?

Is this a good NCentIX setup? It's hard to fit everything on with an LFE and a ballistic, but this one manages

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=440&l=99bd05427c07896293142cc460fcb2fc878bfcb6

>>183589640
move srm ammo from torso to head,
switch to full ferro for an extra half ton ammo
uac5 might bite you in the ass but the alternative is removing another weapon, try it out first

>>183589640
Nice kitchen sink you have there
Would be a shame if something... happened to it

>>183589532
Vindicator
You just have to look for the meme quirks

I used to like Mechwarrior 1 and Mechwarrior 4 as an early teen, will I like MWO?

>>183588619
Probably combining a single rac5 with mrms if you're on a mech that got fucked on hardpoints.

>>183590349
Probably, at least for a while. It's free so try it out.

>>183587250
>>183587356
>>183587461
Alright, looks like I'm at least getting the Purifier if nothing else.

>>183587612
>mechfu
Uziel is my mechfu, that's why I've been hanging onto my MC since it was announced. Raven's pretty close to mechfu status, and the Huginn pattern and hardpoints+quirks are quite nice.

>pajeet
Fuck, that's another one I wanted. Shit, I might have to say fuck the Belial and Huginn for now and get the Pajeet for those sweet shoulder missiles. Is it worth it?

>>183588203
MRMs are great. It doesn't matter if they're practically quite inaccurate and inefficient at their maximum range, the fact that they can be used in the first place at Large Laser distances is a big advantage over SRMs. Up close their spread becomes a non-issue. Best thing to happen to kitchen sink mechs in a very long time.

heavy laser nova is kinda fun

>>183590451
I don't have it but I don't think it's worth it anymore. They increased the ghost heat multiplier on SRMs and nerfed the spread on SRM4 to the level of SRM6, so that eats the benefits of being able to bring 8 missiles.

why aren't heavy lasers heavy?

>>183591184
The Pajeet, I mean.

>>183590618
MRMs are not too great on their own, but they complement other medium range weapons very well.

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>>183528474
Starsiege

Is mk2 basically a shittier mad toosee?

>>183592008
2c cant even do goose vomit

>>183592008
it's a little better at a few things but animation quality is not one of them

>>183592008
MK2 is one of the strongest mechs in the game.

The Deathstrike IS the strongest mech in the game.

>>183592347
uh no excuse me but clans are literally unplayable garbage

Why do all the youtube fags think ATMs are good? Are they all just minimum range and nerf clans apologists who won't want to admit the weapon is trash?

should i buy this instead of scotch?

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=581&l=ea8859b910f11811c06dd2c1d9ef8d68867f9523

Fixed ferro is cancer desu.

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>>183592347

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>wake up
>shit zoose builds being posted
if you do not have big guns on da zoose you are not a proper zoose
if you do not go fast in da zoose you are not a good zoose
if you do not have either items on your zoose then nigga what the fuck are you doing
t. Zeoose expert

>>183593508
who?

>>183593185
Almost everything about omnimechs in this game is cancer

>what kind of mechs you want
>gimme the light mech with a locked active probe, the heavy with no endo or ferro and zero quirks, the heavy with a bigger engine than assaults and no free weight, the assault with max engine and ferro no endo, the assault with a huge engine and 12 tons + 8 slots of garbage and also ferro no endo, and the assault with a minimally viable engine no ferro no endo and random heatsinks cockblocking your critical slots in torsos
>say no more my man

>>183593558
fuck off you autistic shitter
FUCKING LEAVE

>>183593558
me

>>183593614
I disagree, I think the Omnimech/Battlemech differences are incredibly interesting and better handled than any other MW game.

Overall Clan vs IS balance is handled better in MWO than any other game too.

>>183593508
Tried to warn him, he didn't listen

>>183593508
XL too squishy when everyone else is running LE
LE wont let you go fast enough because you need room for guns

This is not loose, the update actually made Zoose worse :(

>guided ATMs
>ATMs with minimum range
why

>>183593724

That's really not saying much.

>>183593947
Definitely not, since the other games didn't even try. But the ideas in MWO for them are certainly good ideas.

Longer laser durations, multiple shell autocannons, streamed LRMs etc. They're all great ideas to take the edge off of Clantech's superiority.

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>>183555865
But that's not true. Everyone knows the most successful alpha male in kong is kakos karlos kozzi kolos.
>tfw he refused to go on a date with me when he was in sf for a wedding
REEEEE

>>183594353
>Kakos "Literally Cucked" Karlos
>alpha

You're not up to date on your Kong lore.

>>183594353
>implying anyone is more alpha than the big man on campus himself

at least we can all agree that the least alpha male is 11 damage dashing

>>183594945
I'm sorry but dashing is literally perfection personified.

>>183593724
Omnimechs are handled horribly in this game. You have to play them like half stock, and if half stock sucks then too bad faggot. There's no excuse for retarded garbage like locked JJs and locked heatsinks.

>>183594083
All great ideas to make everything into shit that feels like shit and unsatisfying to use, maybe.

>mechs renowned for being able to swap shit around easily
>less customizeable than the mechs that supposedly require months and months to refit
>have retarded shit like locked engines and JJ's

I can't fucking wait for mixtech

>>183594538
What happened? I-Is kakos OK?

>>183595892
that'll be another 4 years

Could you please not talk about old (2013) stuff
Implying someone would want to meet me irl

I would not say I am the most successful male in kong but there are surely several huge American failures in kong

>>183595989
Cucked out of enjoying the update.

>>183596182
thanks for reminding me

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>>183595892

Forever relevant.

>>183595413
Locked JJs and DHS are interesting to me. The ability to change your hardpoints out should come with a downside. There's nothing wrong with JJs being locked except that JJs are shit in MWO and they refuse to re-buff them.

DHS being locked isn't a big deal either but that's the only piece of locked equipment (other than weapons or the CAP in the Mist Lynx) that I would agree could be unlocked.

Otherwise, there's too many mechs already and letting them all freely select whatever means you'd end up with even more samey, useless mechs. Omnimechs are interesting entirely because of their limitations. Any downsides they have like the Summoner can, and for the most part have, been fixed by quirks. Both the Summoner and Warhawk are great mechs right now, something you would never think given their construction.

Also, if you think cLPLs, cERMLs, and cERSLs feel like shit, I don't know what to say. Even the cERLL feels pretty good now. C-UACs need better velocity but otherwise they're not bad either.

so how long do you guys think before the mad cat mkii gets nerfs because it's clam and not completely shit?

>>183596612
Not until December. The cbill release date isn't until next year, so gotta keep it strong for the paying customers.

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>>183596693
>December Patch notes
>goose and lasers now are linked together for ghost heat

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>>183593750
>XL too squishy when everyone else is running LE
the only mechs that should run a LE are the ones that previously had a standard and can now fit LE
XL is gud since it gives you both speed and firepower, something that most brawler 80 tonners need despite that an XL makes you more squishy
>LE wont let you go fast enough because you need room for guns
then swap it for an XL dumbo, then you can both go fast and have big guns
>This is not loose, the update actually made Zoose worse
Zoose has been unloose for a while m8, pretty much ever since it got its armor qwerks swapped for structure and since clans and IS got bigger assaults

>>183594353
>got dumped by kakos kolos the man himself
lol
rip in pepperoni habanero

>>183596879
>clan LBX20 now linked to AC20 ghost heat group with a limit of 1

>>183596976
>the only mechs that should run a LE are the ones that previously had a standard and can now fit LE
wrong
god fucking damn it greg how many years have you played this game and you still don't know shit

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY HYPERGAUSS, PIG?

>>183597076
>>183596879

>SRM, LRM, narc, streak linked for ghost heat.
>heat scale multiplier: 16.00.
>to trigger: 1.

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post spicy builds

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>>183597219
But it's tru famm
XL engines in light mechs is still and will always be an absolute must
Mechs like Dragons and Blackjacks still benefit more by having an XL engine
You could argue that certain mechs like the Crab and Cents could work with a LE since its speed doesn't change that much with the swap, but still having an XL doesn't hurt either

>>183598219
What are heavies you dumb shit.

What is the Honda Civic of IS mechs?

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>>183598394
heavies such as?

>>183598941
Dragon
Quickdraw
Rifleman
Catapult
Jagermech
Roughneck
Thunderbolt
Archer
Cataphract
Grasshopper
Warhammer
Black Knight
Marauder
Orion

>>183595413
>There's no excuse for retarded garbage like locked JJs and locked heatsinks.
The excuse is so that each and every one is unique and so there is a reason for so many to exist. If something is falling behind due to intentional original design flaws then quirks are applied so that they can be effective while playing completely differently.

The only thing retarded here is you. If your favorite shitbot can't do what you want it to do then use another robot. There are so many it is guaranteed at least one of them will fit your desired playstyle. If this is something you cannot do then there is no helping you.

>>183599125
Out of all those mechs, only the Thunderbolt, Marauder, and Orion run plausibly with LE, but said mechs previously could only have standard engines
DRG-Flame and a certain builds on the warhammer also apply, but again previously only doable with STD engines
Putting a LE on anything else just makes you slower and more under gunned

>>183599845
The problem is that mechs like Spurdo, Exe and Direwhale basically have no fucking quirks to make up for the bullshit because "muh clamz op"

If there were IS mechs with such ridiculously crippling restrictions and tonnage deficiencies they'd have offensive quirks out of the asshole, or in the Whale's case hp and heatgen like the Annihilator.

>>183600051
>only the Thunderbolt, Marauder, and Orion run plausibly with LE
Greg you can't honestly be this retarded like please be memeing come on now.

>>183600051
>thunderbolt
>running a standard
???
You really have no clue what you are talking about do you.

>>183600051

You run the LE over XL when:

>your mech has both vulnerable side torsos and poor speed-tanking ability, but std engine is too heavy
>you will be brawling and need lots of guns but dont want to risk getting blown out from a single side torso loss
>you want to take a uac/20 or similar in a side torso but not go super slow with a std engine
>you need extra crits for endosteel in the few fringe cases where the diff between endosteel and std struct is higher than diff between LE and XL

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>running anything but a standard on a thunderbolt

what kind of a shitfit are you running with senpai?

>>183600727
Those three have certainly gotten the shit end of the stick, yes. Especially the Executioner, which has never really tasted greatness at all. The Dire Wolf was meta as fuck for quite a while and the Garg is still a reasonable choice and has been for a while, having a decent enough role that it does well.

On the otherhand you have the Hellbringer, Summoner and Warhawk, all three of which should be completely fucking trash by any objective mech design metric. To a lesser extent the Nova, too.

The problem isn't with the system they've designed, the problem is with their ability to do what needs to be done for it to fully work rather than work for 75% of mechs.

>>183600727

If anything PGI should just tone down IS survivability quirks across the board since they now have tech close to the level of the clans

Ghost heat was a mistake.

>>183601020
The Thunderbolt has had 3 builds that have ever been noteworthy over the course of MWO history, all three of which used standards:

7MPL 5SS, 3LPL 9SE, 3ERPPC 9S.

What are YOU talking about?

>>183601319
Sure if you want to be slower with no jump jets and less heatsinks? Who the fuck takes a standard in a thunderbolt

>people still too dumb to figure out what mechs to run with LE
pro-tip: the answer is every single mech above 45 tons, with some exceptions

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>>183600884
look my main man if you want to run subpar builds then go for it
>>183601020
Thunderbolts cannot take engines bigger than a 310, and usually you will need as much crit space as you can get for heatsinks depending on what you are running. That and the mech is wide as a fucking barndoor and you would have to be whiteeagle tier dumb to run an XL on it
>>183601115
Pretty much this. Being a nice sweet spot between and XL and STD is what the LE does best

>>183601682
>Who the fuck takes a standard in a thunderbolt

Literally everybody who isn't shit and wants to do more than 11 damage.

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>>183601682
>Who the fuck takes a standard in a thunderbolt

Literally everyone except you.

>>183601825
>implying lights aren't going to start running LFEs en masse

They barely lose anything for taking one compared to an XL, you'll see all but a small few switch to LFEs.

>>183601891
Even the dual goose whammy runs LE, the most tonnage starved build of all IS heavies.

Get the fuck out you retarded shitter.

>>183602203
>Dual goose Warhammer
>Relevant

Warhammers exist to boat lasers, just like every other relevant IS heavy.

>>183602262
>dual goose vomit not relevant in the dual goose vomit meta
hmm

>>183602449
>Dual goose vomit
>implying the Warhammer can vomit anything when it takes dual goose
>implying goose vomit isn't exclusive to Clans
>implying implications

>>183602610
is this your build?
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=355&l=b14e9548c11b093cbe4382a833f413fd552d8e49

>>183602449
4 medium lasers and 2 goose is goose vomit now? What?

Nevermind that build only fits on an XL in any usable fashion if you want to keep your DPS up.

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>>183602203
...except you can run that build with an XL and go even faster and have more tonnage for other things like ammo and backup weapons

I think you are mistaking LE for clan XL m8. Greater survivability does not always mean the mech will instantly become better when using a LE, especially in your case since you both looses guns and speed

see >>183601115

how will piggy nerf clams again i wonder ???

>>183602716
If you don't have Gauss, L/PLs and ERMLs you are a pathetic build unworthy of the title of "vomit."

Dire Wolf: 2 goose 2LPL 4-6ML
Deathstrike: 2 goose 2ERLL 4ML
Warhawk: 1 goose 2LPL 3ML
Mad IIC: 2 goose 2ERLL 2ML
TBR: 1 goose 6ML

Even that rather lackluster TBR build has a higher alpha than 2G4ML Warhammer with better speed and survivability even if you gimp your dissipation to take an LFE.

>>183601194
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Warhawk. Even with FF armor it struggles to find space to fit all those heat sinks, because energy boat and all. Relatively modest quirks are all it needs to do well so as long as that good 64 kph speed is full taken advantage of over other slower boats.

>>183603661
>nothing wrong with the Warhawk

Having FF instead of Endo is always stupid and suboptimal, period. If it had endo it could have a larger engine. If it didn't have so many locked DHS it could take heavier ballistic loadouts. The only reason it doesn't do 2Gauss 2PPC, which it has the hardpoints and desire to do, is because of this.

There's a lot wrong with the Warhawk by MWO design standards, but quirks have made it excel at what it does.

>>183603661
In a game without quirks, the Marauder IIC would show you every single fault the Warhawk has. FF is a burden, the locked 340 engine is a burden, and the five gorillion locked DHS are a burden.

And this is without touching on the geometry or hardpoint placements.

>>183603874
>but quirks have made it excel at what it does.
And that's precisely the point? The Mad IIC has come in and finally filled the more ballistic heavy role at this weight and speed range. The Warhawk makes a good representative for its particular job in the game, especially considering it has to follow stricter rules and has none of your "bigger engine" shit.

Only thing I hate about riding my second favorite chassis in the game is that its torso is ugly and not done justice. Don't quite remember what the rescale did to its proportions though.

Executioner and spurd also have locked FF and not endo which make them pretty bad

>>183604332
And we're talking theoreticals here. The whole point is that by design the Warhawk is an inferior mech to what it could be, end of story, and MWO made it work.

I am literally the one arguing for Omnimech design in MWO and saying the Warhawk DOES work now. The fact is, though, it is poorly designed out of the box, and if you played it on release you'd know that. Saying FF instead of Endo isn't a flaw is flat out wrong. It always is. There is no advantage.

And the guys who think locked heatsinks aren't a blight on mankind, you clearly have never dealt with EXE's right torso or the Direwhale's side torsos that are critfucked by the unremovable heatsinks.

>That guy that brings an ERL + 5LRM5 Stormcrow to FW

t-thanks clanners