/fog/ Fallout General

OH MY GOD WHY ARE THE COLLISION MESHES IN FO4 SO FUCKING BAD I CAN'T EVEN SHOOT THROUGH A FUCKING RAILING WITH A 1 FOOT WIDE HOLE IN IT FUCK YOU BETHSHIT

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I like your story Cait. I can't wait to read more of it :)

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>>183468294

Looksmenu

You will need FO4se. Save your game with your new Nora. Then use looksmenu to save her face as a preset. In your other game with Nate, use Looksmenu with your old Nora. Then load the preset. Simple.

But if you're gonna go through all that you might want to look into similar presets and then do tweaks to them because, I'm sorry bro, your Nora doesn't really look like the woman in the picture. Its very hard to make a waifu from an image, its best to download a similar preset and edit it.

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>>183468647
Thanks buddy.

Yeah I realize it doesn't look too similar. I uhhh have fucked around exactly once with making a character when I made Stark/Solomon and have never done it since. I've got a bad eye for detail and only got Solomon right because I've had the warhammer mini for years.

Idk of any presets that are close to Inquisitor Lillith besides the Loving Piper mod that doesn't work anymore. It's what I used when I turned Piper into Inquisitor Lillith last year or the year before, whenever I did it last.

>>183468584
So even though there is a fallout4.exe in the update pack dropping them in the same folder as the original Fallout4.exe won't break anything?

And even though they're not .esms they're somehow included?

>>183468194
Yeah, they were pretty awful last time I played it.

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>>183468194

Reminds me of this

>>183468996
No fucking way. Where is this?

>>183469136
Not too far from Pickmans. Can't remember the exact spot. But it's around there, northish of it.

>>183469136
Any window ever in fallout 4 retard.

>>183468924

Loving Piper is still up on Nexus. There's an entire section on Nexus for character presets, it wouldn't hurt to sift through them. I'm sure with the right combo of hair, makeup, and textures, you could find one thats strikingly similar to the picture.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/searchresults/?src_cat=58

>>183469136

iirc it was somewhere near the Railroad HQ. Might have BEEN the railroad HQ!

>>183469353
yeah but it doesn't work anymore. I've tried. Only the uhh reporter edition works, and it wasn't the one I used.

>>183469703

Thats odd. Its just a face preset. There's probably some way to extract it.

Oh well, later /fog/.

>>183468982
see
>>183469336

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>>183468093
Lies

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>>183471583
>admiting to being one of Maxson's dogs
anon... anon please.

Fairly new to modding, generally don't like doing much of it at all really. Other than "Every full body armor counts as an undersuit" and maybe "Weightless chems" I may try getting a body mod of some sort, do those work with the "All armors as undersuits" mods? Because I really liked mixing the various suits so they clipped into interesting new designs (Usually one of the BoS pocketed armors or the Helmeted Cage armor as an undersuit. Oh yeah I also use one that let all body suits accept the superkevlar.

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>>183472265
Let no threat to humanity survive, ad victoriam

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>>183472839
Lets be honest here. The Institute is the best hope for the Commonwealth getting Fig Newton's back. The bos will have me eating subpar snacks for the rest of my life. Id rather die!

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>>183473080
If they had kept themselves in check and actually been attempting to improve the well being of humanity as a whole you would have a valid point. Unfortunately they are too preoccupied with playing god and oppressing their fellow man allowing one man to rule them into ruining the lives of innocents. Their pursuits are not to better humanity but to replace it and make it obedient to them.

While they do research that would benefit everyone they keep it for themselves not because it is dangerous but because they see those on the surface as beneath them.

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>>183469981
Just tried it again and there's no change. r i p.

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>>183473379
It's not such a bad thing, to step over the trash of the commonwealth. Progress takes sacrifice. And the quality of life has been improving, down in the institute.

Like I said anon, they can bring back Fig Newton's. The bos is trash and can't even into fancy lads. They are shit! Shit!

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>>183473573
Unfortunately their quality of life has been leaking to the surface, they have proven to be a threat to humanity's survival due to their unwillingness to go against one man pushing for such extreme measures. Any threat capable of completely earasing and replacing humanity will be dealt with, with extreme prejudice.

>>183473519
those 1024 textures hurt my soul.

Remember when we used to be alive?

>>183476605
>hurr I hate half the people who post here, I'm gonna complain about them until they feel bad and keep quiet
>"where did everyone go?"

>>183476605
Anon can you truly prove that any of us have ever been alive? Just like the ss, can he ever truly prove father is his son?

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>>183474121
You should've listened. We could've prevented this.

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>>183478001
>Tfw the good guys never win
Orders were orders
Also you guys shouldn't have been dumb asses and turned anyone one you met against you until after you had already re-established control.

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>>183478217
Sums it up pretty well

If I add a perk with console commands will it not work? I have one luck but I consoled Idiot Savant in for the EXP gain. It has yet to proc, though.

>>183480023
It has a random chance to proc, and the chance is substantially lower depending on your int. So if you have 10 int it will rarely proc. Also, stop cheating you cheater.

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>tfw finally rid of felicia day
>tfw her last minutes were spent hearing the screams of her family and friends
>tfw no face
Blowing up the BOS bunker is my favorite moment in vanilla NV.I hoarded every single explosive over the entire game to mine the fuck out of the place.

>>183476995
>implying waifufags are self concious enough to ever stop
Make no mistake, this general is going straight /tesg/-tier cancer and nothing will stop it.
What Skyrim did to /tesg/, FO4 is doing to /fog/.

>>183481808
Its kind of sad that the person that contributes the most around here is Buff.

>>183482065
Any time I ask for input on something I never get replies.

>>183482065
Contributes fucking what, starting shitty arguments, posting fetish shit and making some mods, oh best suck his cock
You're a fucking faggot and so is he, kys

>>183482065
>Trainwiz
>High functioning socially capable autismo who doesn't stop

>Buffscale
>Autistic scaly with repressed sexual emotions involving his mother

>>183482253
>>183482390
Buff contributes more than the average anon. These are facts.

I want to nut in Nat
[Spoiler] pls dont die i have nowhere else to say this [\spoiler]

>>183482530
How can you monitor and tell what the average anon posts?

>>183482596
You should die instead

>>183482253
>>183482764
I watched Buff help a guy for several hours with a hat mod on here. I rarely see help as in-depth or as caring as that. I don't care what you say, but Buffscale has been nothing but beneficial to /fog/. Unlike your shitposts. Its clear that Buffscale cares about this community, unlike you.

>>183482860
The one when buff sent him the file that was wrong?
>Nothing but beneficial
That's like me saying he has been nothing but a detriment, if you're gonna believe in absolutes like that then you can fuck off my man

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>>183468996
>>183468194
This shit makes me want to commit Sudoku.

>>183478217

Elders lyons a best.
Maxson need to be more humble, let go the deus vult against synth (the war against the institute was a good move to protect the commonwealth and humanity). Otherwise he's a decent mix between the fanatics xenophobes technofachist from the west and lyons the humanist.

>>183478365

>creating super mutant and want to emiminate the humans who suffered from the radiation because you see them as inferior.
Enclave is the same as the institute. A shit. Ad victoriam.

>>183483192
>ywn be as triggered over a FOG tripfag as this anon

>>183484486
Not an argument

Cait an uggo and a shit. A shit!

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Bump

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reminder

Why's he called the Sole Survivor when he wasn't the only survivor of Vault 111?

Do Bethesda just name their protags because they think it would sound cool?

>>183489476
Where's the part about the Institute murdering innocent, unsuspecting human beings in order to have more toasters in more places

>>183489605
>get kidnapped by the institute
>steal my identity and memories
>get transformed into an immortal robot with my memories and personality
sweet deal to be honest

>>183489476
But how would the minuteman treat the toaster?

>>183489605
Synths are objectively superior to humans.

+They're smarter, you can make a synth to be as smart as you're able to program it which is infinitely smarter than most humans
+They're stronger, you can make a synth to be as strong as you want.
+They're immortal, synths are immune to radiation, disease, ageing and basically everything short of being dismantled
+Unlike Super-Mutants they can replenish and expand their population. You can just program a synth with the knowledge of how to build more.

It's like if the Master's plan was actually flawless and there was literally no reason not to side with him. The Institute know what they're doing and only post-apocalyptic SJW's and Cyberpunk ISIS are against them.

>>183490009
>We got a settlement that needs your toast

>>183489670
>>183490048
That's all well and good, and I can even agree with this to a very large extent. But it still doesn't address the wanton slaughter or innocent people who were of zero threat.

>>183490237
>I don't like slaughtering innocent people
>Therefore I will use nuke a university.

Non-institute endings are retarded.

>>183490048
>>183489605

The sole existence of Synths with free will has to be one of the most retarded things i've ever seen in my life, who in their right mind would be ok with giving free will of thought to a machine that is designed to be BETTER than you in every aspect, without mentioning Synths could eventually learn to manufacture more Synths?

I love it when a bad writer tries to do something grand because it is satisfying to see them try to justify their shit writing.

>>183490387
Because the entire goal of the Institute is for synths to eventually replace humanity and for everyone to be turned into a synth. As I say, it's literally just the same thing the Master was trying to do only without the fatal flaw that meant the Master's plan wouldn't work.

Not that the plot of Fallout 4 isn't shit or badly written mind you, the fact that the supposed villains are actually the only semi-sensible faction in the game is one of the reasons why it's so shit.

>>183490009
Dismantle the toaster to build more turrets.

>>183490337
I'm not defending the other factions at all, anon. But again, killing non-threatening members of my fellow man is an objectively morally wrong thing to do. Not actually sure what is meant by "Therefore I will use nuke a university"

>>183483251
Is there still no mod to make collision meshes in FO4 not shit?
Skyrim, FO3 and NV all got several eventually.
But then again the modding community was still motivated back then.

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I have to consider the possibility my game is fucking dark.

>>183490805
>Skyrim, FO3 and NV all got several eventually.
>Skyrim
Why would you go on the internet and tell lies?

>>183490939
>lighting mods that turn the brightness to 0.1 in order to increase INMERSIVENESS

i don't understand why people do this

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>>183490707
>Objectively morally wrong
>mfw

> Not actually sure what is meant by "Therefore I will use nuke a university"
What I mean is the game is structured in such a way that if you oppose the institute you're eventually going to be forced to nuke the institute. It doesn't really allow for you to meaningfully oppose the institute on the basis of them hurting innocent people when the game forces you to do exactly that no matter what path you pick.

>Downloading FO3 impregnation rape mods
>It includes super-mutants
Not lore friendly, immersion officially broken.

>>183491048
I've yet to encounter a solid argument for killing innocent people, but I'm willing to try. As for the second point, yeah that's just shitty writing. If I had my druthers, I'd force every faction into a state of peace. Yes I'm aware of the dichotomy there, but I'm willing to use force to ensure peace because I'm a faggot like that.

>>183490707
>Therefore I will use nuke a university

It means that the writing is so shit that apparently the Institute can't be useful beyond Synths, despite showing evidence they can improve life in the Wasteland by cloning animals, cures, cybernetic enhancements, early-version synths to guard people.

All is thrown away because we need to have big explosions and Liberty Prime blowing the Institute up because the game needs large-scale faction warfare

>>183490994

I like darker nights, but not the way these mods do them. Mostly because it literally feels as if EVERYTHING got dark as opposed to, you know, the Sun hiding away and thus things naturally getting darker.

Case in point: my Pip-Boy is almost pointless, campfires illuminate basically nothing, and thus it is a bitch to play in the dark in those conditions.

>>183491503
Yep, I agree it's really stupid writing that has that be the only way to deal with them. Hell's bells I saw that they had toilet paper and fell in love.

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>>183468093
Give me the platinum chip so I can upgrade the TempleOS drivers, you fucking nigger monkey.

https://youtu.be/RIuOU00ucjY

>>183468093
Fallout 4 is trash. For the first time ever, I played a fallout game that couldn't keep me playing for more then 10 hours.

Meanwhile, I still play New Vegas. Loaded with mods, of course.

Despite mods existing for FO4, I just can't see myself playing it again. The gunplay is alright, but New Vegas' janky gunplay with mods has more charm to me then the hitmarker generic FPS gameplay of FO4.

The factions have no depth to them. The NCR, Mr. House, and the Legion all were interesting in New Vegas. None of them were perfect. I'm about to do a Legion run and the only reason I know I will be a tad disappointed is the lack of content related to preparing for the Legion's inevitable collapse.

Wouldn't that be cool?

Once Caesar dies, the Legion will fall apart within a year. So there should be quests related to groups within the Legion that are preparing to pounce once Caesar is dead.

Since there's actual discussion here for once, anyone know how to get Preston to give me his sick ass companion perk (I maxed his affinity)? Every time I converse he talks about the Castle instead, which would be fine but I'm fucking around in the North-West of the map and I'm not going to speed off to the Far East right now, I can't get the perk without his affinity conversation activating, which it won't because he talks about retaking the Castle instead.

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>>183489476
>>183487396

I lol'd

I wonder what the BOS would do to the angry toaster from OWB? Or even Muggy? Would they keep him around to turn all the salvaged coffee cups into useful equipment?

OWB is Zeta tier

>>183492291
Fairly sure you have to advance the MM questline at least till after the Castle to be able to get his final dialogue.

>>183491503
I dont understand why beth didnt give us a single option to use institute tech to help the commonwealth, they assume if you sided with them you 100% agree with every action they have ever made and will make and are content to work as their new kellog bitch boy while the department heads call the shots and hide underground for an indefinite amount to time for the vague goal of saving humanity (by killing everyone and mass producing synths for no reason)

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>>183490517
>without the fatal flaw that meant the Master's plan wouldn't work
Wait, synth can have kids?
Aren't Synths created using F.E.V. so pretty much all sterile?

>>183490994
Vanilla Nights in all Bethesda games are way to bright. It's important to get well implemented darker nights mods though. Those that do take lightsources in urban areas into account,for a start.

>>183492531
That's the thing I maxed his affinity in my last playthrough and got his perk because I didn't do the settlement quest that lead to retaking the castle. So there doesn't seem to be a progression requirement. It's just now all he talks about is retaking the castle, instead of his final affinity conversation/dialogue.

>>183492676
No, Synths could only "procreate" if they got control of the institute manufacturing equipment.
To be fair by the same account Super Mutants can "procreate" by simply dipping people into vats.

>>183492795
Shit nevermind I reloaded my save and he started the conversation.

>>183492635
I think the idea that a new Director could entirely turn a culture that has grown into a slave-based society over the course of two centuries is rather naive.
I'm fairly sure if a US president would declare the reinstitution of slavery in RL there would be some resistance as well.

I think the 'tute goverment is split into a legislature in form of the Divisionheads and an executive in form of the Director.
That would explain why the SS can't simply order the division heads from stopping to attack the BOS or RR.

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You are a given the option of going back in time with a suitcase full of money to prevent the closure of Black Isle. This will result in Fallout Van Buren being completed and released, but erases Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4 from existence.
Do you do it?

>>183493340
Well to be honest his idea could work, You could edited the railroad/minute man ending so instead of nuking the institute, you just take control by force.

>>183493549
I have no fucking idea where the love for Van Buren even comes from, it looked like a shitty attempt at a cRPG.

I'm fucking glad that died so we could have NV, i would never choose no under any circumstance

>>183494016
You do realize NV picked up the pieces of Van Buren and that is what makes it so much superior to either 3 or 4 in the first place?

>>183493340
>split into a legislature in form of the Divisionheads and an executive in form of the Director.
>when father does literally anything he wants even when the other divisionheads are all against him
uhh, sure.

>>183494348
You could have the best story ever and if the game looks/plays like shit it won't matter much

>>183494593
How old are you? I'm 45 and I would take a cRPG over an FPS any day.

>>183493340
Yeah they would never let you have Father tier control of the place so soon after become director and shut down whatever projects you want to order them to turn everything around, but I think after a few years of kissing ass and rubbing elbows, you might be able to convince them to make small changes here and there to clear out raiders, etc, you would pretty much be playing at politics to convince doctors like Holdren not to kill the warwick family after the experiment needlessly and stuff like that

>>183492676
>Wait, synth can have kids?
No but they are artificial so they can just build more synths.

>>183492853
>To be fair by the same account Super Mutants can "procreate" by simply dipping people into vats.
The thing about that though is eventually the super-mutants would run out of people to dip into vats.

Synths would only stop being able to build more synths when there was no more raw materials left to build with. And even then humans have the same problem, and unlike synths humans can't just recycle dead people.

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I have NVSE installed but it says this

>>183495686
Is it version 5.0b3 or higher?

>>183495754
Yes,i tried both the stable and beta version and even if i click ok the window reappears.

>>183493549
Never. My girlfriend and I bonded a lot over NV.

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>>183495524

I wondered what the earth would be like if the synths actually took over. Without Railroad fucking with their minds, requiring no food or sleep, I can only see one scenario: First, rebuilding. Defending from dangers like deathclaws, etc. Past that? A non-stop synth orgy and other such debauchery that goes on forever.

And I imagine the synths would start to make random shit with the fabricator, like whatever the fuck they wanted to. "Let us make a woman with crab arms for no reason!"

Shit would be like a WH40k Slaanesh dominated world eventually

How do you argue with morons? I feel like whenever I get into a Fallout discussions I always "lose" because I just give up, it's impossible to change a moron's mind, and what's worse is that they actually feel they've "won"...

Some faggot literally called that Shandification video "bad criticism" and that people "fell for it", holy fucking shit.

>>183495686
>>183495887
Ok apparently its this mod's fault
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/61666/?
I tried also installing the JIP NVSE but it still says that,anyway its no big deal since its a pretty minor mod.

>>183496296
>How do you argue with morons?
Why bother?

>>183494849
Why? If you can have a good story and good FPS mechanics then there would be no fucking reason for cRPGs to exist beyond the turn-based combat.

>>183496704

I usually don't mind the average retard comment, but it gets on my nerves when they start saying plain false stuff and get on the higher ground.

Like, "These New Vegas fans are so annoying, people are allowed to have different opinions! Plus the game is really boring and there's nothing to do", it triggers me so hard.

>>183496296
> I feel like whenever I get into a Fallout discussions I always "lose" because I just give up
I'm sure that's on the mind of everyone who just "gives up", they don't admit to losing so they stop replying and make comments like yours in an attempt to deflect the idiocy, going as far to call other people "morons" when you can't finish a debate to save your life.

This is hopeless!
>This is hopeless!
This is hopeless!
>This is hopeless!

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What is your opinion on savescumming?

>>183497092
>>>Devastated

>>183497301
I don't blame people for doing it, but you should allways try a run of a game where you live with the decisions you make, even if it ends with you dead or important NPCs gone

>>183497092

Feel free to explain over here, then, how "world building" is something "people fall for".

Because what that other user did was this, in essence: call world building "Shandification" in an attempt to make it seem like "world building" is something made up by a YouTube user and thus discredit his opinion.

>>183497301
>game can crash literally at any moment
>feeling bad about saving every 5 steps

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>>183497301

I usually only savescum when a lot of settlers die and they shouldn't have

>I'M GONNA RUN UP TO THIS DEATHCLAW WITH MY PIPE PISTOL OH SHIT IM DED

Although I helped rectify the situation somewhat by giving everyone monstrous weapons

>>183497321
That's usually more or less the reply too, or a randomly generated "bait" image, or a funny meme image of Todd Howard raging (XD). The same people who respond with these epic argument invalidators
>>183497471
See to explain a word it has to exist, "shandification" is not a word, nor is "ludonarrative dissonance". Were we discussing worldbuilding? No, I replied to a comment stating other people were morons and that giving up arguments makes you superior intellectually.

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>>183497506

This too

My game used to crash a fucking shit ton because of shadows for some reason

>>183497705

"Shandification" is a term coined by a YouTube user to design something that existed before it. You can very much justify the logic of a made-up term.

So I ask you to explain how am I wrong by saying world building is important. It's all I ask.

>>183497830
>You can very much justify the logic of a made-up term.
You can't justify a word that doesn't exist, too many people involved in videogames believe they're the next Shakesphere and coin phrases and words no one has any interest in outside of semi-obscure forums and boards.
>So I ask you to explain how am I wrong by saying world building is important. It's all I ask.
You aren't, which I never argued, you're saying I'm implying worldbuilding isn't important when it had nothing to do with the comment I originally replied to, I never brought up worldbuilding in the first place.

>>183498186
Get a load of this retard

Jesus, i can tell you know what Shandification means, why discredit someone's argument because they use a word you don't like? You sound like the huge fucking faggot who argues semantics and annoys everyone

>>183498351
Because there are other words you can use to describe worldbuilding (if you insist on debating it when I never mentioned it in the first place), semantics is making up pointless and pretentious terms for aspects of game design that can already be described without spending 30 seconds thinking up of something crazy and wacky to describe the same thing but make me sound more intelligent in the process.

>>183498693
If you understand what they are talking about and still you try to argue semantics just to salvage your dumb argument then you are probably a huge faggot no one likes to talk to

>>183497830
You're being incredibly pedantic.

>>183498186

>You can't justify a word that doesn't exist, too many people involved in videogames believe they're the next Shakesphere and coin phrases and words no one has any interest in outside of semi-obscure forums and boards.

Why don't you attack the term as opposed to attacking terms at large?

"Shandification" is a good term because it goes beyond "world building", it draws a parallelism between that Shandy book and how New Vegas' world works, which is by connecting a lot of stuff together.

>You aren't, which I never argued, you're saying I'm implying worldbuilding isn't important when it had nothing to do with the comment I originally replied to, I never brought up worldbuilding in the first place.

But you did say this

>I'm sure that's on the mind of everyone who just "gives up", they don't admit to losing so they stop replying and make comments like yours in an attempt to deflect the idiocy, going as far to call other people "morons" when you can't finish a debate to save your life.

So I demand satisfaction.

>>183498887
Fuck, that was meant for >>183498186

>>183498948

Also >>183498693

The issue isn't "Shandification" itself, the issue is that some retard refused to acknowledge WORLD BUILDING and kept insisting on discrediting "Shandification" when I never even brought up that term to begin with in the discussion.

That's what triggered me so much, that someone would be so assblasted about Bethesda not giving a shit about worldbuilding they felt the need to defend their favorite developer by attacking some YouTuber's term based on a real life phenomena.

>>183498887

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WORLDBUILDING?

It's the guns, you asshole! Gunpowder is intelligent and evil and controls your brain! The more gunpowder that's near you, the crazier you become! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

/fog/ I have a very an extremely important question.

Did Magnolia fug Swan?

>>183498835
There was no dumb argument, it was implied out of fucking nowhere I was suddenly arguing worldbuilding and then the term "Shandification" was brought up, I'm not going to debate non-existent words.
>"Shandification" is a good term because it goes beyond "world building", it draws a parallelism between that Shandy book and how New Vegas' world works, which is by connecting a lot of stuff together.
So it only addresses a very specific form of media to inflate the ego of those who play New Vegas, because I highly doubt everyone who watched that video and repeated that term read Tristram Shandy. You can't make up terms if they don't apply universally.
>So I demand satisfaction.
I won't satisfy anything when no one brought it up again, you went straight to worldbuilding instead. You can't give up an argument and call other people morons because they would rather continue it.

>>183499321
>You can't make up terms if they don't apply universally.
Nigger what? Are you saying it has to apply to movies and books to be a valid term? Or are you saying it has to apply to all games?

If it's the latter, then it kinda does. If it's the former then you're late for operation dumbo drop.

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>>183496217

I think I'll call my first child Fallout. I had a son once, but the radiation ate him in his mommy's womb.

>>183499759
I'm saying you can't make up terms and then treat them like everyone should respect and know them when they apply not to books or movies or games as a whole, but 1 book, and 1 game. And then you apply this term to whatever you want anyway because who gives a shit. Why do you need to address Tristram Shandy in regards to videogames, what relevance does it have that can't be more easily explained with recognised phrases and terms?

>>183499321

(I'm the one who started this)

I know you were not arguing about anything, anon. I don't know if you were serious when you said this

>they don't admit to losing so they stop replying and make comments like yours in an attempt to deflect the idiocy, going as far to call other people "morons" when you can't finish a debate to save your life.

So I asked you to take up that other user's position instead to see if it is even possible to argue for "world building is a meme".

I don't need to inflate my ego through some video, but the video tells the truth.

And yes, the term applies universally. The author only made that video to compare New Vegas and Fallout 3, but the term very much can be applied for anything.

>You can't give up an argument and call other people morons because they would rather continue it.

The purpose of a discussion is to get to a conclusion. What's the point of a discussion when I know I'm right, the other person "thinks" they are right, but they won't listen to reason?

It was either "good bye" or calling him a fucking retard (which he deserved).

Buffscale is cool, I like Caitfag, waifufags are neither good nor bad, this general is ok.

>>183499972
Sometimes people use words that I don't know the meaning of and I have to google them. I can do the same with shandification so I think it matters not.

>>183499975
>So I asked you to take up that other user's position instead to see if it is even possible to argue for "world building is a meme".
But I'm not arguing worldbuilding, again. Worldbuilding is important, and either that, "believability", or "elaboration" would be better terms to describe worldbuilding and context of life in videogames than some bullshit term without any foundation other than a no-name Youtuber's favourite word.
>The purpose of a discussion is to get to a conclusion. What's the point of a discussion when I know I'm right, the other person "thinks" they are right, but they won't listen to reason?
Because you "knowing you're right" is the problem, how do you "know you're right"? Has the other person stopped making sense entirely, are they only replying with anime reaction images or are they actually addressing all of your points? Can you point me to an argument you had where the other person is essentially just prolonging a debate for the sake of it even when they can't actually debunk anything you said? They could well be thinking the same thing you do.

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Gaaary!!

>>183497363
>you should allways try a run of a game where you live with the decisions you make
I mean, thats real life anon, in a videogame you can mold it to make yourself the perfect hero, you don't need to also suffer in videogames.

>>183489602
Because they like the SS.

>>183500720

>Because you "knowing you're right" is the problem, how do you "know you're right"?

Because constructing a believable world is important for an universe to make sense. And what the other user did is completely disregard that.

>Has the other person stopped making sense entirely, are they only replying with anime reaction images or are they actually addressing all of your points? Can you point me to an argument you had where the other person is essentially just prolonging a debate for the sake of it even when they can't actually debunk anything you said? They could well be thinking the same thing you do.

It's from [SPOILER]Reddit[/SPOILER].

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6ojaot/fallout_new_vegas_neon_light/dkj4elt/

I'm "Sigourn". It all started because some people said New Vegas didn't get the recognition it deserved (I agree).

>>183481325
what armour mod is that anon?

>>183489602
>he

>>183495524
>The thing about that though is eventually the super-mutants would run out of people to dip into vats.
Unlike raw materials, which earth has run short of pre-war, humans are a regrowable ressource though.Theoretically Super Mutants could run breeding camps for humans and hold them like cattle. I'm sure there's a sexmod for that somewhere

>>183496217
How furiously are you masturbating while making posts like these?

>>183489602
>he wasn't the only survivor of Vault 111?
Well by the end of the game you basically are.

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>>183504029
Venom Snake from Gunetwork

>>183496217
What would happen is the Institute would rule over a bunch of synths that pretend to be human. Jesus it's like everyone forgets the Institute isn't just going to give up control once they've "improved" everyone. Yeah they make a near immortal copy of you but at the snap of someone's fingers you're doing whatever they want or being shut down, mind wiped and your personality tweaked to be more obedient.

Reminder that every Fallout game except for Brotherhood of Steel is a good game.

>>183480227
he can play how he wants anon


after playing off and on since launch I do tons of console command fuckery in the game from stat edits to look changes on people to spawning things or adding things or deleting things.

Just cuz you're a boring autist doesnt mean we have to play how you play.

now brb console commanding myself some named raider sluts order around like pets. oops not playing how you demand

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>>183489602
>implying father was really your son
>implying babby shaun isn't in some bioscience storage room in several jars

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are there any mods for reducing/eliminating radiant quests that aren't game breaking?

>>183506005
yes, it's called ignoring your quest tab

>>183506005
But then the game would be only 3 hours long anon.

>>183506005
Too many radiants are linked to main quests to get rid of them entirely. I often just use console commands to """finish""" them.

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>Install Nevada Skies with the brighter nights mod
>still dark as fuck

>>183506536
But not being able to see 1 foot infront of you is IMMERSIVE

Are there any mods that will take care of all the settlement-related shit for me? I don't want to waste time gathering resources and building shit, I just want to explode?

>>183506840
Sim Settlements

>>183506840
>I want to explode

*I want to explore

>>183506840
sim-settlements so you dont explode anon

>>183506840
What >>183506969 said, make sure to have plenty of fiber optics and go to the museum in Concord to get the things needed to start

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>first and only
not gonna be the only one for long darling ;)

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>>183506536
>install nevada skies
>install darker nights
>it's just the way i like it

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>>183490146

>>183506969
>>183507175
I never used Sim Settlements and probably never will because i hate steelement shit but am i understanding from these posts that you have to stockpile of shit in the workshops or the samfecae settlers wont build anything and just stand around?
Do they account for supply lines or does the shit have to be in the workshop?
Can it happen that you run out of rare materials because some dickhead keeps building shit out of aluminum in some ass-end settlement?

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>>183504316
>not wanting a normal, healthy, straight relationship with one of the female companions

>>183507743
nice haircut faggot

>>183507743
>not wanting a normal, healthy, lesbian relationship with one of the female companions

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>mfw the Minutemen are the only faction to not treat me like a fuckboy

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>>183507710
Honestly I'm not 100% on the details, I haven't really had much problem with resources coming up missing for no reason. If you want more info I'd watch the video, I mostly grabbed it because I was fucking tired of have to rebuild settlements each time I started a game.

Is FROST gud?

>>183508238
Not even remotely.

>>183508091
>gets tricked by some nigger to be the laundryboy for illiterate pigfarmers
>not the lowest of fuckboys

>>183508238
Just like DUST it's fairly fun once you pile a million mods on it just like vanilla Fallout games

>>183508091
The Institute quest where you run into the MM should be more than enough evidence that the MM treat you like dogshit.

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>>183507743
Is that...

Jesus. Fucking. CHRIST.

I've just had the most fucking annoying fight I've ever had in New Vegas.

It was me and an ED-E with no laser against SIX Legionnaires in an open battlefield.

Long story short: combat in this game is fucking terrible. They kept stunlocking me in the worst ways possibles, I was unable to open my inventory, I was unable to shoot, I was unable to reload, my aim kept going bonkers every time I was hit, I was getting shot from the front and getting shot from the back, everyone was Neo and even with bullet time I had a hard time hitting them (I'm about to drop bullet time at all since it is clear FO3 is meant to be played with VATS).

What sent me over the edge was three Legionnaires that I tried to kill using a Katana and SURPRISE SURPRISE it was fucking useless, you would imagine using a Katana means they will drop dead fairly quickly, but no, they kept tanking like bosses and shooting straight at ED-E without even flinching. In the end I got them all, but HOLY FUCK, I'm so pissed. It took me like 15 tries.

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>>183508091
>the only faction less competent than the Railroad
>actually managing being worse than people using the name of their secret club as an entrance password

>>183507710
lol no
you don't need shit in terms of junk
they build stuff out of thin air. what they do require is food/water/defense, but that can be turned off in the holotape.
aslo, if you don't like steelement shit check out some of the addons. recently he added the option to blacklist buildings so if you don't like how something looks you can just change it and have that building never pop up again.

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>>183490939
Nights being actually hard to see and pretty spooky is immersive though. I love it

>>183507851
>>183508602

>>183496482
Do you have the Solid Project by any chance? I always felt tat TommInfinite hated Xilandro or something and was copying is mod ideas and completing is mods first to spite him or something.

>>183508943
caitfag pls don't use a trip when you're not talking about cait. its unimersive.

>>183468093
>Sole Survivor
that guy won't be surviving for much longer

>>183509508
Yeah he really tried so hard, but in the end it didn't even matter.

>>183506268
decent solution, cheers.

>>183508943
I love Caitfag! Also, more story when?

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this turret is shooting into the ceiling or something.
sure as fuck isn't shooting me.

>>183509950
Don't encourage them.

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>>183510319
it just works

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>>183510475
these pebbles have physics. I wonder if the game would crash I if I just let enough of them pile up

>>183509950
Please no, this thread has been good so far, don't fuck it up.

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>>183510704
>general is good
>little to no Caitfag, best waifu
Does not compute. Requesting more of my waifu Caitfag. Please stand by for delivery.

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>>183510657
I'm starting to notice a pattern here.

>>183498948
> and how New Vegas' world works
Not the person yo uare replying too, but the whole shandifcation thing doesn't really work for New Vegas either,. as its world has just as many holes in it as Fallout 3's does.

The biggest problem is that the whole world falls apart if you go back more then 7 years because the entire economy of every town besides Goodsprings is totally dependent on the NCR, yet the NCR wasn't in the region 7 years ago, yet the people were.

-There are no farms in Primm, Nipon, Novac, Nelson, or Searchlight.
-There are no remnants of farms to show that they may have had some before the NCR showed up.
-No one talks about having farms in those places at any point.
-There isn't enough wildlife in the mojave region to feed people.
-There is no one actually hunting animals anyways. The only person who mentions anything close is sunny, who kills geckos who come too close to town and sells their hides, but she doesn't actively hunt them for meat or anything.
-The level of naturally growing plant life is far too small to support a stable population, and any attempts to feed off of local plant life owuld quickly result in all plant life near the towns being depleted
-None of these towns, sans Goodsprings, has a source of clean water. As all of the water towers give out radioactive water, have small pools of radioactive water under their spigots, and theres no visible or mentioned water purifiers like even Megaton had.
-The most any of these towns have is 2-3 brahmin/bighorners.
-To make matters worse, none of these towns have any history, we have no idea where these people come from, or how these towns were re-founded, everyone JUST sort of lives there.

The Mojave is a place that doesn't really work, and couldn't really have existed, for the nearly 200 years before the NCR showed up and started giving them everything.

There is no history, no explanation to how anything worked, its as if the whole region just sort of plopped into existence

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>>183510819
>look at me shitpost
>look! xD

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>>183510949
But what if I am sincere? Plot twist.

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>>183510842
Thats because NV is shit. Remember /fog/, if the game isn't made by Bethesda it's shit. Obsidiots need to see that without our guy Todd at the helm the game is bound to suffer.

Even the motivation for the courier was shit.

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>>183511026
Can we just cut this short and you just tell me how many replies you want from me until you finally neck yourself?

>>183511221
Yes
No (yes)
Sarcastic Yes
Maybe Later

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>>183511243
I don't want replies from you. I want more Caitfag in my life. If you can't do that, then I need you to stop being a bully and post more pics of Cait. It's the best way to draw out my Caitfag waifu.

>>183497301
I do it. I'm not proud of it. But its necessary in a game where you can fail a speech check with 15 Charisma

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>>183511412

>>183511221
You sound like the dictionary definition of a falseflagger to be honest

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>>183511541
Don't be upset because I value Caitfag more then I value you. You aren't the honest good girl that Caitfag is. Have some more Cait.

>>183511662
>t.Obsidiot shill
You probably think PoE was a good game too. How does it feel to know that Obshitian will never get the reigns to another fallout game?

>>183511765
>his waifu is a waifufag
I don't think you understand how this waifu business is supposed to work.

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>>183511765
We must have more Cait to summon my Caitfag Waifu! Who will help me summon her?
>>183512224
Hows it feel to have a terrible opinion?

>>183510842

I have to disagree with many of those points.

I very much doubt the people of the Mojave rely exclusively on soldiers (and other NCR population) to sustain themselves. Consider that the settlements in Fallout didn't rely on the NCR, for example. People were already habitating the Mojave before the NCR showed up.

>There are no farms in Primm, Nipon, Novac, Nelson, or Searchlight.

With the exception of Nipton, Nelson and Searchlight (since they are all torched to the ground), the other two rely on trading. The routes they are in see a lot of traffic. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case for Nipton as well.

>There isn't enough wildlife in the mojave region to feed people.

I don't know what would you base this on. There are Geckos, Coyotes, Bloatflies, Brahmin... New Vegas the game isn't mean to be New Vegas "the real place". Otherwise, the player would be facing animals every step of the way.

>There is no one actually hunting animals anyways. The only person who mentions anything close is sunny, who kills geckos who come too close to town and sells their hides, but she doesn't actively hunt them for meat or anything.

You mean "we don't see people hunting"? It's not something that bothers me, it's a given that people hunt, but yes, Obsidian could have added a few hunter NPCs (like Skyrim did one year later).

I just got here who is Cait

>>183510842
>>183512535

>The level of naturally growing plant life is far too small to support a stable population, and any attempts to feed off of local plant life owuld quickly result in all plant life near the towns being depleted

Just like above with the animal life, I'm not sure what you base this on. It is a videogame, there will always be limitations. I very much doubt "Broc Flowers" would exist in pieces of 1-3 in real life, but that's how you find them in the game to prevent the player from making thousands of Healing Powders.

>None of these towns, sans Goodsprings, has a source of clean water. As all of the water towers give out radioactive water, have small pools of radioactive water under their spigots, and theres no visible or mentioned water purifiers like even Megaton had.

Considering in the lore New Vegas is doing fairly okay when it comes to radiation, there's a good chance it isn't anywhere near as problematic as it is in the DC wasteland. Which is why it had the whole "Project Purity" quest.

There's also Lake Mead that has clean water, and could be used for distribution.

>The most any of these towns have is 2-3 brahmin/bighorners.

Again: scale. And I wouldn't call them "2 to 3", there's more than that in Goodsprings.

>To make matters worse, none of these towns have any history, we have no idea where these people come from, or how these towns were re-founded, everyone JUST sort of lives there.

This would have been nice to have, but I don't think a "normal town" needs the amount of explanation as a place like Megaton or Rivet City needs. The one place that do need it have it (New Vegas, Hoover Dam).

>The Mojave is a place that doesn't really work, and couldn't really have existed, for the nearly 200 years before the NCR showed up and started giving them everything.

I simply don't agree with this, unless you also admit that the Capitol Wasteland doesn't really work and couldn't really have existed (in which case carry on, good sir).

>>183512325
I'm pleased to see you succeed where I failed. Continue triggering the resident faggot by any means necessary, I'll be saving some of these images for use in the future. You're doing good work, caitfag-fag.

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>>183512628
Cait is a waifu in the game. Caitfag is the best girl in the general, pure and innocent! Post pics of cait and help me summon her.

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>>183512702
I don't know what you are talking about anon. I only want the best girl to come and let us bask in her glory. Caitfag, stay pure!

>>183512535
>>183512676
>>183510842

There is also stuff that I simply can't "complain" about since it's kind of a given nowadays. Like Nuka-Cola and Sunset Sarsaparrilla being in vending machines 200 YEARS after the bombs dropped.

Like with the rest of stuff, Obsidian had to make concessions. I'd rather think of world building based on the lore, but at the same time with grounds on the videogame.

Novac has a ranch because we see there is a ranch. In the lore, it would probably be considerably bigger. What matters is that it is there for us to understand how the town works. I don't mind hunters not being in the game just like I don't mind people not going to the bathroom in the game: it's a given that people hunt, it's a given that people trade, but it is not "a given" that every single town has a ranch of animals and crops to feed themselves.

>>183512535
>With the exception of Nipton, Nelson and Searchlight (since they are all torched to the ground), the other two rely on trading.
Which is exactly the problem, before the NCR showed up ,there was no one in the region to trade with.

>I don't know what would you base this on. There are Geckos, Coyotes, Bloatflies, Brahmin
The simple fact that none of those animals exist in any really large populations anywhere close enough to any town for them to be a viable and sustainable source of food, unlike the Captial Wasteland region where they are.

>You mean "we don't see people hunting"?
That isn't how games work, unless its shown or mentioned, it isn't happening. Period.

>It is a videogame, there will always be limitations
This is not a rebuttal. Plenty of games show sustainable plant life when needed. Also, look up the mojave IRL, it isn't viable.

>Considering in the lore New Vegas is doing fairly okay when it comes to radiation, there's a good chance it isn't anywhere near as problematic as it is in the DC wasteland.
Except it is because its literally every water tap in the southern half of the map outside of Goodsprings.

>There's also Lake Mead that has clean water, and could be used for distribution.
Yes, everyone walks the 40-100 miles to the lake every time they want a glass of water to drink. Totally viable.

>Again: scale. And I wouldn't call them "2 to 3", there's more than that in Goodsprings.
Scale isn't a factor. Fallout 3 shows more brahmin begin raised for food then New Vegas does both Brahmin and bighorners.

>This would have been nice to have, but I don't think a "normal town" needs the amount of explanation as a place like Megaton or Rivet City needs.
Except MEgaton and Rivet City are normal towns. All places have history, and its that history that makes them credible places, which is something New Vegas lacks.

>,unless you also admit that the Capitol Wasteland doesn't really work and couldn't really have existed
Actually it could

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>>183513150
I'll post some Cait pictures but you shouldn't do what you're doing. They don't want attention they just like talking about Cait.

So, which one of you is the Anon who's been spamming /mlp/ with Piper for the past few days?

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>>183514197
Not me, but have some Piper for showing up here anon,

>>183514197
buff

>>183513475

>Which is exactly the problem, before the NCR showed up ,there was no one in the region to trade with.

How so? If we agree that there are towns before the NCR arrived, we must also acknowledge the high possibility of other people living in the Mojave (and thus being able to trade with towns).

>The simple fact that none of those animals exist in any really large populations anywhere close enough to any town for them to be a viable and sustainable source of food, unlike the Captial Wasteland region where they are.

You mean Capital "animals everywhere" Wasteland? There are coyotes and geckos in the vicinity of Goodsprings, coyotes in the vicinity of Nipton. There are also Bloatflies in the vicinity of Primm. Lots of radscorpions near Mojave Outpost, as well as Nightstalkers (whether they would be food in the lore is another thing, but Ruby Nash is able to make Casseroles out of scorpions). Brahmin in Novac. Bighorners near Searchlight. Geckos and Bighorners near Nelson. And so on and so on.

>That isn't how games work, unless its shown or mentioned, it isn't happening. Period.

People don't shit or piss in Fallout 3, so it couldn't really work as a universe, right?

>This is not a rebuttal.

It very much is, unless you don't notice the difference between "video game" and "real world". All games have limitations, and I'm pretty sure they will always have limitations. You just can't show everything.

>Plenty of games show sustainable plant life when needed. Also, look up the mojave IRL, it isn't viable.

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be viable in the DC wasteland either, considering how it is an irradiated hellhole... yet "actually it could".

>Except it is because its literally every water tap in the southern half of the map outside of Goodsprings.

Radiation spreads, color me surprised. Did you miss the part where I said it isn't as big of a problem as it is in the DC wasteland? Just because it is irradiated doesn't mean you will die of cancer.

>>183514291
Buff's too much of a good lad to do that, and there haven't been any of his pics, from what I've seen.

>>183514290
Still a weird fetish.

>>183513475
>>183514614

>Yes, everyone walks the 40-100 miles to the lake every time they want a glass of water to drink. Totally viable.

Traders travel and trade. If they are willing to trade ammo, I'm pretty sure they would be willing to trade pure water, which would be extremely valuable.

>Scale isn't a factor.

This is ridiculous. It's a huge factor. And a very important one. Because if I show you one Brahmin and two people in a town, and then I show you five Brahmin and two people in a town in the same game, then it is clear I'm implying "the latter town is much better stocked". Even then, what matters is consistency. Not to mention GameBryo shits itself if you add too many stuff into a place, so much for "believable Brahmin pens" with hundreds of Brahmin that would destroy a console.

"Limitations aren't a rebuttal" my ass.

>Except MEgaton and Rivet City are normal towns.

Yeah, "normal". A town built around a nuclear bomb and a town built inside an aircraft carrier. Totally doesn't need an explanation.

>All places have history, and its that history that makes them credible places, which is something New Vegas lacks.

So do New Vegas' towns: based on real life places. Is it really that important to you to know what the hell happened since the bombs dropped? It's not like the citizens literally built the town themselves so you must know HOW they did it.

Even Novac is clearly a Pre-War place, despite it not existing in real life.

Who should I bring along on my wacky adventures using TEE party? I'm thinking Desdemona. For the leader of the Railroad, she does surprisingly little. Time to put her to use as my traveling cum receptacle

Are there any ways to have an npc in your settlement give out quests to you other than that faggot garvey?

I want to create a grinding hub, with vendors and quest givers, but I am stuck on the quest part.

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>>183514937
>tfw you will never be captured and held as a slave for breeding
Life is cruel.

>>183514614
>How so?
Because there is nothing to trade for, as no one produces anything that can be traded.
-Novac gets scrap, and would have had no one to sell it too
-Primm works via its casino and hotel, which would have gotten no traffic since Vegas wasn't a thing then
-Nipton runs off of selling its hookers and motel, which, again, wouldn't have gotten any significant number of people through it before the NCR.

>People don't shit or piss in Fallout 3, so it couldn't really work as a universe, right?
That is a silly as shit straw man, basic biological functions are not the same as tasks one does not have to do.

>You just can't show everything.
No, you can't, but, again, that isn't an argument as games have shown this pretty easily. Oblivion did it.

>I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be viable in the DC wasteland either
A sustainable amount of plant life isn't viable in D.C., but there is an explained story reason for that, and we actively see people working to find ways to survive around that.

>Just because it is irradiated doesn't mean you will die of cancer.
No one said they would, but to think that in 200 years no one in the mojave thought of making the process of cleaning water easier is stupid, but its something New Vegas pushes as having happened for reasons.

>Traders travel and trade.
There weren't any traders before the NCR came around though.

> then it is clear I'm implying "the latter town is much better stocked"
YEs, but, again, that wasn't the point. The point was most towns in Fallout 3 have brahmin as well, and that isn't enough to sustain them.

>So do New Vegas' towns: based on real life places
Yes, but that is pre-war history, what matters is post-war history, about how those people survived the war, resettled the towns, and spent the last 200 years living before the NCR came.

Of which New Vegas has no explanation, they just did despite doing nothing that would have allowed them too.

>>183514937
Lucy Abernathy seems like a good girl to bring along and sell to the raiders.

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>>183514290
delet this

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>>183515664
But why anon?

>>183515609
Lucy Abernathy is homely as fuck. I'm not sure the raiders would want her.

>>183515407

>Because there is nothing to trade for, as no one produces anything that can be traded.

>There weren't any traders before the NCR came around though.

I still don't understand why you are basing your arguments off the idea that "before NCR, there were literally no people in the Mojave". Do you know something I don't with a canon source? I could see your point then, but I can't really argue against it when I'm not sure if you are basing your thoughts on false information.

>That is a silly as shit straw man, basic biological functions are not the same as tasks one does not have to do.

I don't think so. People hunt. Like I said, it would have been nice to see random NPCs hunting in the wild, but I'm pretty sure it is a given that "people hunt". Incidentally there's a cut NPC from the game who says he hunts Geckos for meats and hides. His shitty delivery of the lines is probably what got him cut, though.

>No, you can't, but, again, that isn't an argument as games have shown this pretty easily. Oblivion did it.

Oblivion wasn't set on a post-apocalyptic wasteland, though. It's much more harder to show it in a game like New Vegas (especially since you mentioned that bit about the Mojave desert IRL).

why the fuck does every npc bob his/her head forward when turning away from me
are they birds

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>>183516039
wut. she's hella cute.

>>183515609
I'll rescue her anon. As soon as you do this, Preston's "settler needs help" radar will cause him to notify me, and I'll rescue her.

>>183506536
>>183506739
>>183507301
Man, have people never been to an un light polluted place? Vegas and the few poered towns don't put out enough light to fuck your night vision that bad.

>>183515407
>>183516174

>A sustainable amount of plant life isn't viable in D.C., but there is an explained story reason for that, and we actively see people working to find ways to survive around that.

"Working to find ways around that" for 200 years, makes it sound like everyone should be well dead already.

>No one said they would, but to think that in 200 years no one in the mojave thought of making the process of cleaning water easier is stupid, but its something New Vegas pushes as having happened for reasons.

Some people simply don't know how to make clean water. I don't think it's that terrible. Then again, there's also the traders with the purified water.

>The point was most towns in Fallout 3 have brahmin as well, and that isn't enough to sustain them.

In what sense? As in, "the NPCs say the Brahmin aren't enough", or "there's no way those Brahmin would have been able to sustain those NPCs"?

>Yes, but that is pre-war history, what matters is post-war history, about how those people survived the war, resettled the towns, and spent the last 200 years living before the NCR came.

IMO, if we accept traders are a thing, I really don't need much more info on the towns. I DO wish we got more info, I like reading and I'm a sucker for the lore, but I don't go to bed wondering "what is Goodspring's history?". Something like Megaton is much more annoying, and that's why there's an in-game explanation for it.

>no mod that lets me tell Curie, "no," when she asks to become human

How the fuck has it been however many years its been without anyone making this? I just want to raise affinity with her as a robot, idc if they have to cut out all her 'human' dialogue and replace it with voiceless text. That synth is stupid and weak and can't be upgraded with a missile arsenal.

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>>183516279
If this is all I have to do to get Caitfag to spend time with me, I will kidnap everyone in her settlements. But if she ignores me, thinking that if she does I will stop kidnapping her settlers, then maybe I will have to start killing some of them. I won't kill Lucy first, but Blake seems pretty dispensable.

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>>183516487
It's just not worth it anon. Do as I do, raise her affinity till she wants to be human, then never introduce her to Amari. Sure it might hurt you in the feels to lie to Curie, but this way is better. She just doesn't see how perfect she already is.

>>183513238
>There is also stuff that I simply can't "complain" about since it's kind of a given nowadays. Like Nuka-Cola and Sunset Sarsaparrilla being in vending machines 200 YEARS after the bombs dropped.
Shit, there's an NPC that mentions the Sass machines mysteriously restock for the Blue Star quest. And the journal entries in the loading dock mention robotic truckdrivers replacing humans. I think that was intended to imply there was a robo-delivery service still functioning after all that time.

>>183513475

>>With the exception of Nipton, Nelson and Searchlight (since they are all torched to the ground), the other two rely on trading.
>Which is exactly the problem, before the NCR showed up ,there was no one in the region to trade with.
There were other towns, it was just difficult to travel.

>>There's also Lake Mead that has clean water, and could be used for distribution.
>Yes, everyone walks the 40-100 miles to the lake every time they want a glass of water to drink. Totally viable.
Water Caravans are a thing, they were a main point in Fallout 1.

>>183516174
>I still don't understand why you are basing your arguments off the idea that "before NCR, there were literally no people in the Mojave".
I'm not you fucking illiterate retard. Where on earth did you get that idea?

>but I'm pretty sure it is a given that "people hunt
No, this is not how games work, period. Outside of basic biological functions, unless they say it, or its seen, they aren't doing it. You can't just hand wave shit into the game that isn't there.

> It's much more harder to show it in a game like New Vegas
Not really, because, as I originally mentioned, the mojave DOESN'T have a sustainable amount of food in it in the first place. Which is the point you keep trying to weasel out of.

> makes it sound like everyone should be well dead already.
No it doesn't. Also, nice totally avoiding the actual statement made.

>Some people simply don't know how to make clean water.
You can filter it through dirt. It's not difficult at all. If the hick o nthe East Coast, and the west coast, could figure it out, then the people of the mojave should have been able too.

>In what sense?
In the sense of scale(you know, the thing you tried to use to weasel out of actually making a valid response). Even if you scale it up, there wouldn't be enough to sustain a reasonable population to last asl ogn as they have.

>IMO, if we accept traders are a thing, I really don't need much more info on the towns
Traders are a thing, but all the ones we see in-game are from the NCR. So that still leave the mystery of what they were doing for the nearly 200 years before the NCR showed up.

>>183516995
>There were other towns, it was just difficult to travel.
But again, NONE OF THE TOWNS PRODUCE ANYTHING.

Primm, and Nipton are economies based on services i nthe town, of which, they only function due to the large number of people from the NCR moving through the area.

Likewise, Novac's primary trading mateiral is high tech scrap from Repconn, which would have been useless to the nomadic trbials roaming Vegas city, and the backward hick towns of the southern Mojave, since none of them have high tech shit to use it on.

>Water Caravans are a thing, they were a main point in Fallout 1.
Yes they are.... in the NCR. The Mojave never had any that we know of.

>>183516879
I can't do that, anon. I'm too autistic to not get that companion perk, I just wish there was a way to do it without ruining Curie forever.

>>183517182
>>but I'm pretty sure it is a given that "people hunt
>No, this is not how games work, period. Outside of basic biological functions, unless they say it, or its seen, they aren't doing it. You can't just hand wave shit into the game that isn't there.
Maybe since the NCR is there they stopped NEEDING to hunt constantly?

Benny mentions hunting before House civilized the tribes.


> It's much more harder to show it in a game like New Vegas
Not really, because, as I originally mentioned, the mojave DOESN'T have a sustainable amount of food in it in the first place. Which is the point you keep trying to weasel out of.

Not him but I'll admit that having the NCR be the first and apparently only people to repair a Lake Mead Pipeline was a mistake.

nice

reddit

spacing

faggots

Is a drunk playthrough of fallout 4 really worth it? Since they didn't do a low int option for conversations I can't imagine a booze drunk playthrough being all that different from the base game of 4, since that would take effort.

>>183517471
Im positive theres mods and console commands that allow you to keep her as a robot and progress her quest

>>183517489
>reddit spacing

What is this meme?

Everyone who goes to a public school in any country that's relevant is taught to put a space between paragraphs for 12 years in a row.

>>183517489
>muh reddit space meme
No. It's an attempt to not having giant walls of text that the message box makes you feel like you're creating when you type a message that is of any decent length.

Furthermore it separates different ideas from one another and makes shit easier to read overall.

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>>183517471
If it makes you feel better almost all companion perks are shit in 4. The only really good ones are MacShitter and preston. Mac's is only good because of a bug that gives you always 95% chance to headshot in vats. Preston's is just plain old useful. Every other perk is really shit.

Best girl Piper only gives you more xp on speech checks. I want to die.

>>183517412
>>Water Caravans are a thing, they were a main point in Fallout 1.
>Yes they are.... in the NCR. The Mojave never had any that we know of.
Loading waterskins onto a Brahmin isn't hard.

And Primm/Goodsprings DO use electricity, so they had SOME use for spare parts from Novac.

>>183517748
>paragraph
>barely one line worth of words

>>183517713
There aren't, I have searched definitively and there are zero (0) mods, and there is literally no way for you to find one I haven't. There are also zero combinations of console commands that allow me to do what I need to do, and absolutely NO ONE on the internet has ever found such.

If you're sure, prove me wrong. I am 100% certain about my findings and you're 100% wrong.

>>183517783
I use an overhaul, all perks are worth getting, pretty much nothing is what it was in vanilla.

>>183517182

>I'm not you fucking illiterate retard. Where on earth did you get that idea?

Well, you are implying that without NCR there are no traders. And yet there was no NCR in Fallout... yet there were traders and caravans.

>No, this is not how games work, period. Outside of basic biological functions, unless they say it, or its seen, they aren't doing it. You can't just hand wave shit into the game that isn't there.

I'll simply disagree with this. There is plenty of "shit" that is handwaved in videogames because you can't simply show it all. What I'm willing to put up with is clearly different than what you are willing to put up with.

And it's not just "basic biological functions". For hunting to make sense, we would need to have an NPC that lives in a town, that gets up, that goes around hunting, that returns (and SELLs his product to the town trader) and so on. That's more work than most are willing to put into their games, even Bethesda.

>Not really, because, as I originally mentioned, the mojave DOESN'T have a sustainable amount of food in it in the first place. Which is the point you keep trying to weasel out of.

I'm not trying to "weasel out" of it. People in New Vegas don't live off plants, they live off meat.

>No it doesn't.

Yes it does. If you've been trying to find a solution to your problem FOR 200 YEARS it means you haven't found it yet. By then, you should be more than dead, as well as all of your offspring. Else, the problem clearly wasn't such a problem if you can live it off, isn't it?

Now considering that New Vegas has even less radiation than the Capital Wasteland, I don't understand what your problem is exactly.

>You can filter it through dirt. It's not difficult at all.

I very much doubt it's as simple as that, unless you have some real life source for that.

>>183516675
>i'll be evil, so that this moralfag anti raider person will like me
anon....

>>183517868
Length isn't the most important part of defining a paragraph.

>>183517486
>Maybe since the NCR is there they stopped NEEDING to hunt constantly?
The problem with that is every town mentions how the hate the NCr, and don't want the NCR to take them over, so the idea that they would willingly stop any sort of activity that would make them self sustainable to some degree, and thus, make themselves totally reliant on the NCR to survive, is pretty far fetched.

>>183507220
I want to fuck that robot

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>>183518140
It will work out anon. I will slowly capture and force Caitfag to make mistakes, and one day she will slip up and let Cait get out of sight. Then I can nab Cait, and while she is tearing up the commonwealth I can spend some quality time torturing Cait, prying every nuance of information about her mundane life. Then I can kill her, take her face and have Doc Crocker put her face over mine. Then I will stage it so Caitfag finds me and loves me like i'm the real Cait.

How much longer till this heaven happens?

>>183517489
I'll chime and say the same thing as others already. I've been here forever and formatting posts has been around for longer than reddit has existed. "reddit spacing" has been a meme for only a year or two, and how people post, including myself, hasn't changed at all in that time.

It's just another sign someone is trying too hard to fit in.

>>183518285
Don't waste your time, it's just a bored internet zombie parroting things he perceives to be in vogue. There's nothing to debate with him because there's no basis at all to the original post he made, he doesn't understand it himself.

>>183517182

>In the sense of scale(you know, the thing you tried to use to weasel out of actually making a valid response). Even if you scale it up, there wouldn't be enough to sustain a reasonable population to last asl ogn as they have.

Good job ignoring the second part of my reply.

The reason Obsidian didn't bother (and why I wouldn't bother either) to accurately display the proportion of Brahmin to people is because it's pointless but, more over, because you just can't spend resources like that on stuff that isn't that important.

Why? Because it's been always like this in videogames, and especially so in GameBryo. For fuck's sakes, NPCs have been cut down from the game because of consoles.

>Traders are a thing, but all the ones we see in-game are from the NCR.

How so? None of the people I trade with have an NCR tag attached to them.

>>183517489
what the fuck

>>183518139

I want you to know anon that I appreciate our current discussion. I'm glad we are allowed to call ourselves names in here and still talk like adults, unlike in fucking Reddit where if you call someone a retard HURR DURR YOU ACT LIKE A 12 YEAR OLD I WON THE ARGUMENT BYE

>>183518139
>Well, you are implying that without NCR there are no traders
I made no such implication.

>And yet there was no NCR in Fallout... yet there were traders and caravans.
And those were both seen and mentioned. Whereas the mojave has zero seen or mentioned pre-NCR caravans.

>What I'm willing to put up with is clearly different than what you are willing to put up with.
Obviously. You are willing to put up with being shown nothing, I am not.

> For hunting to make sense, we would need to have an NPC that lives in a town, that gets up, that goes around hunting, that returns
No you don't. You just need groups of randomly encountered hunters in the wilderness(like in Fallout 3) to show the process happens. You don't need to have them physically go to each town and sell shit.

>People in New Vegas don't live off plants, they live off meat.
Except the primary source of food in the region is the NCr sharecropper farms, and Goodsprings is mostly based on its plant farming as well. Meat is always shown to be secondary.

>it means you haven't found it yet
No, it means you try many different things, each of which works with varying levels of success.

>Now considering that New Vegas has even less radiation than the Capital Wastelan
Becuase having less radiation voerall doesn't change the fact that the water all these towns live on is irradiated, and to the same levels as found in Fallout 3's water towers.

>I very much doubt it's as simple as that, unless you have some real life source for that.
Look up filtering radiation in water on goggle you idiot.

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>>183518718

Fuck, I replied to myself. I meant you >>183517182

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>get weapon sound mod
>weapon sounds from milennia guns are faint and poopy

>>183518535
>The reason Obsidian didn't bother (and why I wouldn't bother either) to accurately display the proportion
No one is asking them to do such.

Why do you constantly straw man?

>How so? None of the people I trade with have an NCR tag attached to them.
Because they are all crimson caravan traders

>>183518293
People are lazy and hypocritical, news at 11.

>>183497547
It makes me question why settlers all have aggresive ai behaviors by default.

>>183518546
Summerfags trying to fit in, memeing away.

>>183518063
>theres Curies romance dialogue recorded in her robot modulated voice
>there was going to be an option
>It didnt make it into the game
Hold me, mates

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>>183518140
>Believing you can reason with the mentally ill or trolls

>>183518758

>I made no such implication.

Allow me to rephrase: without the NCR, there were no traders in the Mojave.

>And those were both seen and mentioned. Whereas the mojave has zero seen or mentioned pre-NCR caravans.

Unless you consider "caravan" to be synonymous with "Crimsom Caravan" or "Gun Runner's", I don't see how you can say that there were no caravans before the NCR arrived.

Traders have been since forever in Fallout. Those two caravan outfits just happen to be the best supplied.

>Except the primary source of food in the region is the NCr sharecropper farms

The NCR sharecropper farms are farmed inside greenhouses and with who knows what chemical stuff (if any).

I don't see how fucking huge Bighorners could be considered "secondary".

>No, it means you try many different things, each of which works with varying levels of success.

And those things are...? Drinking irradiated water and hoping for the best?

>Becuase having less radiation voerall doesn't change the fact that the water all these towns live on is irradiated, and to the same levels as found in Fallout 3's water towers.

I hope you are not comparing in-game levels of RADs with the "lore" radiation, because that would be NMA-levels of autism (one user once made a detailed explanation on the value of slaves in the Capital Wasteland, cross-referencing it with the value of slaves in Fallout 2).

>Look up filtering radiation in water on goggle you idiot.

Here comes the obvious question: if filtering radiation is so easy, why is purified water so scarce in the Capital Wasteland?

>No you don't. You just need groups of randomly encountered hunters in the wilderness(like in Fallout 3) to show the process happens. You don't need to have them physically go to each town and sell shit.

Yes, I do. Else for all I know they could be hunting to provide only for themselves.

See? This is what happens when you start getting anal at stuff. So much for "except for bodily functions".

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>>183518502
I already love you anon. You're a person so you have my love already.

But being IN love is different. It's born from shared experiences and hopes and values and beliefs. Pulling a Hannibal Lecter on people is just going to make them afraid.

Come join a settlement, let's travel together, go on some Preston Gravy quests together, build some pointless settlement stuff together, and see where life takes us.

>>183519037

>No one is asking them to do such.

Yes, you are. In order to have "proper world building".

>Because they are all crimson caravan traders

Look at >>183520138

>Those two caravan outfits just happen to be the best supplied.

Which translates to "of course they will be the guys dominating the business".

>>183518063
>Tell her about the doctor
>Open Console
>Slect Curie
>Type SetStage COMCurieQuest 600
>???
>Enjoy

>>183520249
This is why Caitfag is so pure! Pure! I was right to choose you when it comes to my plans Caitfag. Check Abernathy farms, some people are missing already!

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I'm much more satisfied with my waifu now.

>>183520314
Can't tell her about the doctor. I can walk right up to Amari and have even explored my memory of vault 111 with her, but because I haven't done kellogg's brain Amari effectively doesn't exist to Curie.

>>183520643
>she ask about a doc
>use setstage 16454E 150
>Select Curie
>Type SetStage COMCurieQuest 600
>???
>Enjoy

>>183520138
> without the NCR, there were no traders in the Mojave.
This is true based off of in-game data.

>I don't see how you can say that there were no caravans before the NCR arrived.
Because none are seen or mentioned, thus, they did not exist.

>The NCR sharecropper farms are farmed inside greenhouses and with who knows what chemical stuff (if any).
Except all the plants farmed outside the greenhouses

>And those things are...? Drinking irradiated water and hoping for the best?
-Making water purifiers, such as those seen in Megaton, Rivet City, and Tenpenny Tower,
-Establishing a system of hunters to hunt for food, as seen in random encounters.
-Raising Brahmin where possible, such as seen in Arefu, the Charnel House, Regulator HQ, Republic of Dave, Canterbury Commons, etc.
-Using Rivet City's pre-war science labs to grow food hydroponically.

All of which, sans a few token bighorner raising, no one in the mojave was doing before the NCR came.

>I hope you are not comparing in-game levels of RADs with the "lore" radiation
I hope you seriously don't have this level fo cognitive dissonance.

>Yes, I do. Else for all I know they could be hunting to provide only for themselves.
Except that doesn't make much sense, not mention, you can buy meat off of the hunters in Fallout 3, showing they do in fact sell it.

>>183520890
I'll give it a try...

>tfw /fog/ might actually come through

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>>183516039
Quiet... my pet does not need your bully

>>183520293
>Which translates to "of course they will be the guys dominating the business".
This is not how it works, at all.

Holy shit, the levels you are willing to go to defend inexcusable poor world building that even games a decade older were able to do on the same engine is pretty pathetic.

>>183517489
I remember this "reddit spacing" when the web was still fairly new in 2000. fuck off faggot you're just another meme tard that isnt funny or witty.

kids these days

>>183521198
Jesus that other anon was right, she has no meat on her bones.

>yfw they killed the hot sister and left them with the runt of the litter

Raiders are unforgivable scum.

>>183521024
>>183520890
You are a hero anon, I'm still making sure nothing's broken now and that Curie will give me her perk, but it seems ok.

>>183521198
holly molly, give her a fucking sandwich, she is skinny as hell.

>>183521198
The first time I saw her I thought she was pretty good looking. Now I get more disgusted every time I see her.

>>183521503
>holly molly
what, you meant holy moly right?
>>183521919
Most female (humans) in this game don't look good, oddly enough Nora has the most attractive face that I can remember for females in this game, the female companions are mediocre in that regard.

>>183520902

>This is true based off of in-game data.

Could you point it out to me?

>Because none are seen or mentioned, thus, they did not exist.

For what reason would they be seen (if they are out of business) or "mentioned"? Just for you?

>Except all the plants farmed outside the greenhouses

Except all the plants farmed inside the greenhouses, which means there's something going on there that you or me may not know about (I'm not a farmer myself).

>solutions

So the solutions to food and water are to have pure water and hunt for food?

Explain to me then which is the DC Wasteland's actual problem then. Food and clean water are apparently not a problem to get, yet everywhere you go the emphasis is on "the water is bad".

>All of which, sans a few token bighorner raising, no one in the mojave was doing before the NCR came.

"Because the game doesn't show me people hunting".

Come on, dude.

>I hope you seriously don't have this level fo cognitive dissonance.

I hope you actually reply to my point instead of changing the subject.

>Except that doesn't make much sense, not mention, you can buy meat off of the hunters in Fallout 3, showing they do in fact sell it.

So does the NPC from New Vegas. Wow. And you ignored the fact that "we" (the player) aren't "we" (the town). Meaning we still need to see that NPC selling his stuff to someone from the town to see that the town get their stuff from the people selling it to them.

I never saw the traders reaching Megaton to do any actual trading, now that I think about it. They just... stand there.

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>>183522065
>the female companions aren't hot

>>183520459
very funny anon
>start playing
>there's actually a kidnapping radiant quest at abernathy farms
WUT
HOW
Anon please, wait, they dindu nuffin

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>>183520614
I honestly can't see a change. Didn't you want to turn that frown upside down?
I like her but she looks so sad.

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What the fuck man. How do I unlock this fucking terminal?

>>183522802
Now most people would call this bait but considering this is a consolefag you never know.

>>183522969
Thanks for the help

>>183522690
You know what you have to do Caitfag.

Your insane stalker is waiting in some musty lair, knife at the throat of poor little goblin-bodied Lucy, and if you don't storm in there and kill him she's gonna die. She'll die because you let this go too far.

>>183522802
The terminal hacking is tedious bullshit but that doesn't excuse you being retarded.

>>183522386
>Could you point it out to me?
Yes, the total lack of any visible or mentioned ones.

>For what reason would they be seen or "mentioned"? Just for you?
For basic world building that has been standard in RPGs for decades to make the world have an actually believable history. Even Fallout 3 fucking managed it.

>Except all the plants farmed inside the greenhouses, which means there's something going on there that you or me may not know about
That is totally ignoring the point that most of the sharecropper farms crops are outside.

>Explain to me then which is the DC Wasteland's actual problem then.
If you actually played the game, and bothered to talk to NPCs, or listen to what James said, the problem was that white water purifiers exist, they are unable to purify water in large quantities due to the pervasive radiation in the area being unable to be filtered out via normal means, which greatly limits how much clean water can be produced. Manya Vargas, and other Megaton NPCs, mention that even with their water purifier, they don't give out pure water to non residents, aka, the Megaton Settlers, because they can only produce enough to give to those who own their own homes, and what little excess they have is sold for money.

>"Because the game doesn't show me people hunting".
>The game doesn't dop basic game design 101
>Why is it bad
Please tell me you aren't this much of an Obsidian apologist. If Bethesda could easily do it, Obsidian should have also ,especially given that they had all of Fallout 3's code.

>I hope you actually reply to my point instead of changing the subject.
You are the one who keeps changing the subject as each of your nonsense points gets shot down.

>So does the NPC from New Vegas
There are no hunter NPCs in New Vegas.

> And you ignored the fact that "we" (the player) aren't "we". Meaning we still need to see that NPC selling his stuff to someone from the town
No we don't. Why on earth do you think we would?

>>183522712
this looks like a bad 1999 render

>>183522802
>i can hack pretty much every terminal in FO3 and NV first try
>in FO4 it's faster when i just randomly pick words without thinking
I honestly can't tell what exactly they changed but it's annoying.

>>183523075
I dont get this shit someone just fucking help me.

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>>183523127
You take that back.

>>183523340
Just take 3 guesses. If you don't get it right, back out and try again. Repeat until terminal is unlocked.

>>183523340
Answer is Laser, obviously.

>>183523340
There's no helping you.

>>183522969
Id rather buy a console for $150 and a laptop for $100 than a $2000 pc.
PC fags are so fucking retarded

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>>183523340
>INT check failed