/tekgen/ - Tekken General

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made a shitty maven wallpaper if anyone else here likes her

>>183052159
White is a shitty color for a wall paper though. I would suggest trying a dark gray as the background color. It helps most things popout more, and it isn't as eye bleeding at night.

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who else wants to see a minion as the third guest character??? or gon

I miss SFxT

>>183052274
I saw the pointless namefag and decided not to read

thanks for the reply anyway i guess. anyone else wanna chime in?

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Raven is pure

>>183052503
pure shit

*orbitals over your mid*

>>183053315
"Eat shit, biiiiiiiiiiitch"

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Yesterday there was talking about how the Tierlists are based on long sets and not tournament matches, so I tried doing one based on EVO results.
Data is from eventhubs because I won't bother checking every match in the top64.

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>people who call Xiaoyu "Ling"

Did they somehow ban xpadder? I was gonna grind some treasure cases as I slept but the turbo katarina 44444 no longer works for me

>>183052456
I agree with him

>>183053391
What are you a Ling main

>>183053385
"Good games, though."

>>183053386
this is terrible. it's not your fault it's terrible since you just based it on evo placements, but if someone was like "this is what i think the tiers are" they'd be made fun of

>>183053386
Doing a tierlist with one tournament as your sample size is just pointless

>>183053440
>Lucifer pls
Just take off your nametag permanently nobody is going to respond to your posts otherwise unless it is to call you out

>>183053386
Just make your SS tier JDCR and Saint and your S Tier Knee.

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>>183053386
>Feng that high

>>183053537
I'm not him though, I just think what he said is true

>>183053537
>he thinks white is a good color for backgrounds

>>183053391
>people who call Feng "Feng" instead of Wei

Do you think Saint and JDCR suck each other's cock?

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*Crushes all your moves by simply existing*

>>183053386
delete this nonsense

>>183053386
I don't think it's fair to give full points to a character if the player didn't use him throughout the whole tournament. Like Knee switching to Bryan, Steve and DJin in top 8 and getting bopped

>>183053745
Saint is too busy jerking it to Christie

>>183053726
I call him Feng Wei.

>tfw got demoted 2 ranks because of tilt
Any tips to help me unJUST my mental game? Everything is going wrong today, whether is Tekken or something else. I'm mentally exhausted and don't know what to do.

>>183053404
that shit was always pretty finicky for me and would sometimes not work for no apparent reason even around the time the game came out
just reboot and try again

>>183053386
>>183053386
Eliza should be lower. You should not get full points for top 8 if you can't win a round.

>>183054034
Walk away.

>>183053726
It's actually different though, if you call Feng Feng you should call her Xiaoyu as those are both their last names, they just didn't invert Xioayu's for some reason.

>>183054034
how about you take a break you mongoloid lmao

>>183054181
Ling is her last name

>>183054152
>>183054221
I wish it was that easy but then I'd be thinking about my tilt for days. I need some psychological advice.

>>183054279
Well i fucked up my bad

>>183054034
just take a break for a few minutes and go breathe some fresh air

>>183054307
What rank are you? I noticed the better I got the less angry I'd get after losing. Mainly because now I recognize where and how I fucked up when before I was just getting my shit pushed in without any clue how to stop it

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>>183054307
Seriously, just stop. Go for a walk, watch some TV, do some sudoku, play with a fidget spinner, go grab a meal at some cheap fast food joint, or whatever.

Just step away so you can get out of your own head.

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how to get gud at xiaoyu?

I immediately got to green rank after figuring out if you can switch sides during around they will drop their combos since people in blue only pracitce one side

>>183054509
>where and how I fucked up
Different anon, but this has never been helpful for me. Most of the time when I get angry I get angry for myself so knowing the ways I fucked up doesn't really help there.

>>183054307
You can also try listening to music, it's what I usually do when I get mad

anyone ps4 asia?

>>183054509
I went from Fighter to Brawler in a 12 loss streak. I suddenly forgot how to play. My mental game is horrible.

>>183054307
You're being obsessive which is unhealthy. Take a fucking walk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Gbw8ljsiU

Sasuga harada-sensei

>>183054554
For me, now that I know what to press I'm slowly getting used to playing on the other side but I still panic a bit

>>183054545
follow this guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

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>>183052346

Why are we so slow

Did Tekken finally die?

Atleast ranked is dead on (EU) pc.

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>>183055769
>>183056021
>bought the game today
>now it starts dying
its NOT fair!!

>>183056093
i bought it yesterday, i feel you

>>183056021
>1pm on a tuesday

>>183055769
>>183056021
>>183056093
Bowling will save Tekken

WHERE IS THE PC PATCH

>>183055769
Americans are asleep
its work hours in europe
Japs dont come here

>>183056135
Ranked was not this dead on last tuesday.
And this thread was more active too.

>>183056306
>>183056135
>implying the majority of players aren't neets
it's kill

>>183056342
Geese kind of killed the hype. We thought we were getting someone good instead.

>>183056021
Dunno, i'm getting enough people in green EU

>>183056406
We shoulda gotten Abigail, man.

>>183056450
Don't kick 'em when their down. Not even they deserved that shit.

I am also now convinced that Capcom is run by Wimp Lo.

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>>183056450
>brumm brummm breeee

>>183056587
Yea sorry man, I guess that was too much of a gutpunch. Kinda like that attack he does in the trailer that doesn't actually hit the character model because snap-animation is hard.

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>>183056406
>We thought we were getting someone good instead.

>>183056723
Buuuuuuut I thought you wanted whiiiiiiiininnnnnnng!

Seriously though, I am not whining. It just saved me some money since I didn't buy the season pass, and bowling and Geese just convinced me that it was the right choice.

>>183056587
>they're*

>>183056587
>>183056947
>Lucifer

aw shit, not again

There's a lot of activity in the test branches of the game today, hopefully patch soon
https://steamdb.info/app/389730/history/

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>>183056992

>>183054758
cringe

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>>183056450
We already have our own special needs strong guy, and he's somewhat likable.

so I noticed you need port forwarding to play online? what the fuck, harada

When should i be using jet upper? after sidesteps? kind of like an ewgf?

>>183057625
whiff punish

>>183057625
whiffed move

>>183057625
as an i14 punish

Is there a /tekgen/ steam group?

>>183057251
Are you not using UPnP nigger?

I think geese was a good choice.

You know when you masturbate and you cum on ur hand so you go to bathroom to clean it off, and you wipe it once, twice, and take a piss, but then you notice there is still some, now hardened cum glued to ur hairs on hand and ur trying to scrub it off, thats what this Lucifer tripfag remind you of, that fucking useless and annoying cum you cant wipe off.

>>183054704
What country?

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>>183059168

Fighting games/Tekken newbie here. I picked Dragunov as my "main". I've been having fun learning some of his really easy juggle combos and whatnot, but I wanna constantly be learning. Korean backdash? Introduction to frames? iWR? What's the next jump up in difficulty?

>>183059540
I'd say you should develop your understanding of frame data and how the moves interact with each other (eg. crushes, parries) as it helps with getting used to the flow of a game. But otherwise, the way to learn a fighting game is very hard to divide into clear cut sections because there are so many things that correlate. Just play a lot, play with people who are better than you and get someone to teach (or at least guide) you offline.

>>183059540
Back dashing is one of THE first things you should learn to do after getting to grips with the basics. The first thing though should be learning all of your character punishes; 10 frame etc etc.

>>183059168
EXCELLENT post

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>>183059540
>really easy juggle combos
Learn to apply Dragunov's F3 crouch cancelling for max damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBpSTK4Sjio

>>183060127
Learn an easy juggle that works off of multiple launchers. Learn your best pokes, and iWR move that every Drag spams. Learn how to block and punish. Don't be over reliant on Juggles.

>>183059540
You gotta learn hard moves like b+2,1,3,1+2 its a really advanced throw for pros

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>finally find some guy who is as bad as me
>first match goes 2-3
>rematch
>3-2
>can't rematch again

why? i was enjoying myself

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is this how far green ranks have fallen in one month?

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>pulling off a neckcrusher in ranked

LUL

>>183061353
from my experience they haven't changed much at all
also josie is really good

>>183060116
Frame data is the most intimidating thing I've seen yet. Where would I even start?

>>183053391
Do you also complain about people who call Sergei "Dragunov"? Calling people by their surname is a common thing you know, especially in Asia.

>>183061037
>PCuck

>>183061431
Meh. Josie is mid tier at best. Everyone who loses to her loses because they haven't learned how to stop mashing buttons yet.

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>>183061440

Is Bryan fully cyborg or just like half

>>183061440
With the basics.

10 frame punishes (jab punish)
12 frame punishes
15 frame punishes (launch punish for everyone apart from a few characters like steve)

>>183061583
half cyborg half zombie

>>183061485
stop evading my filter you waste of space

this game needs a handicap feature like umvc3. my friends refuse to play against me, because i'm 'too good' (in reality i'm a complete noob, they just suck harder than me). handicap would make the matches even and more fun

>>183056406
Who the fuck is "we"? There's no "we".

>>183061687
Tell them to get good. Or play King/Eddy

>>183061440
It's actually not that bad in Tekken, a lot of things are very similar. Most hopkicks are -13 or around there, most tracking moves are safe but pretty minus, around -9. Any low that doesn't make the player stagger is probably -12 to -13, and any low that makes the player stagger when blocked is launch punishable without even knowing the frame data. Most single jabs are +1, and any move that makes a player crouch even in block is plus enough that you don't want to be pressing buttons.

>>183061440
First, just keep in mind that you're far from having to memorize all of it. Just know your punishers up to ~15f, and know what moves you have that are plus on block and try to apply this in the game.

I can't vouch for any of the YT tutorials as I haven't seen any of them, but KingJae has a London accent which makes it automatically more fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwQ8J8iAOLs

>>183061771
If I'm -9 or below on block, what can I be punished with?

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>>183061559
This is actually helpful. I'm surprised

>>183061954
Nothing unless you're fighting yoshimitsu who can launch punish you with flash

>>183061583
>>183061628
Don't forget half-deer

How do you deal with Paul's demoman as Hwoarang ?

>>183062009
do u smoke weed?

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>>183053008
hey shut the fuck up
and thanks

>>183061954
Steve can 1,2,1 you at -9. Or 1,1,2 or whatever his 9 frame natural combo is.

>>183062009
I'm starting to understand this now. Then, as long as my move is not -10 or above, I can continue my pressure until I get down jabbed, reversed, etc?

>that one friend that won't fight you with his main for more than 3 sets because you might learn how to deal with his character

I hope you're not that guy

>14 wins/67 games

Just end me, holy shit

>>183062236
>continue my pressure
unless you're at -1 or 2 frames it is not advised you keep pressuring the opponent unless you think you can crush them with a hopkick or a low
Anything that leaves you on -2 or below and I suggest you either backdash, sidestep or just block otherwise you will get counterhit and potentially lose a lot of health

>>183062462
who are you playing as and why aren't you playing yoshimitsu?

>>183062462
That's okay. When I started with Lars on 3rd Dan, I got demoted to 1st Dan before I started improving.

Any good, extremely newbie friendly character guides?

>>183062062
Josie's wack. Compared to Bruce, fuck no. Are you kidding me? I mean Bruce is cool but I'm not a Bruce player. I can't believe Bruce got replaced by Josie.
It's not like I'm going to main Bruce now that he has big tits haha

>>183062052
no but I like to look at flowers from time to time

>>183062236
Not really. Although anything that's better than -10 on block is not punishable, you still lose your 'turn', as even being just -1 will cause your 10f jab to lose to the opponent's 10f jab, because his will start one frame earlier. However, your opponent may not know that you're minus or he could simply fail to react/notice; or, which is going to happen more often, you'll condition him not to press buttons with crushing moves or well placed frametraps.

https://youtu.be/-YLtTcaCpBg?t=227

>>183062534
Steve/Bryan

I heard yoshi's hard, and I play keyboard

>>183062227

Nobody can punish at -9 on block. -10 is the fastest punish a character will have.

There are moves that are faster like Yoshi's flash and BT jabs but those can't really be used to punish anything.

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i only really played tekken 3 until now. what happened to joke characters like mokujin, gon and the doctor? everyone in 7 seems super serious.

mokujin was my favorite

>>183063057
uhhh we already have meme characters
>panda
>kuma
>lucky chloe

>>183063046
Flash can punish some things

https://pastebin.com/m5WQyEQN

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>Harada brings back the pretzel imput for the Ragin Storm
>all the scrubs drop him cuz its too hard

I can see it now. Me being the only one who now how to play old Geese

Plus frames make the next move come out slightly faster, right? And negative frames adds to it?

>>183063228
holy shit anon you are fucking cool
will you be my step dad?

>>183063250
wrong, try again

>>183062510

The way it works is like this:

If you are -10 or more, you can be punished with guaranteed damage.

If you are less than -10 but still at negative frames, you have lost your turn. Depending on what you throw out, your opponent can beat you with a move of equivalent frames as they are at a frame advantage.

Tekken, however, has some additional things to consider. Sidestepping takes about 6 frames or so to activate so you can sidestep after something like a d/f+1, which will leave you at -1 or -2 depending on the character and you may be able to dodge their jab follow-up (which comes out in 10 frames).

>>183063057
>gon
license expired
>Dr.B
lmao
>Mokujin
It would be a fitting choice for that lazy ass Harada since they can just recycle everything, but it's probably like in Tekken4 where he was missing due to no real evil monster menacing Earth

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>>183055769
>Why are we so slow

Such is the game, such is the thread. A Tekken 3 revival would make these go faster than /pol/ threads.

>>183063250

>Plus frames make the next move come out slightly faster, right? And negative frames adds to it?

The animations and move speeds never change.

Frame advantage refers to the difference between your recovery speed after executing a move and your opponent's recovery out of blockstun. If they recover first, they can input a new move earlier and vice-versa.

>>183063309
sorry, i'm too cool for children

>>183063484
>muh nostalgia

>>183062062
>qcb+2 feign into flipping the bird

This might be peak Aris.

>>183063645
Didn't even realize. That's hilarious.

i still can't get used to fighting akuma.

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>>183063624
>muh functional movement
>muh 8 frame jabs
>muh no juggles after every other move
>muh no input delay
>and now muh fully saturated black

>>183061353
NA Green is Asia Cyan.

>>183063920
He is one of the easiest for me. Just side step his fireballs, duck his focus attack, and block (and get ready to low block) when he flips. If you do that then you have already destroyed the vast majority of his gameplan.

drag's ws4 should launch on ch tbqh

>>183064110
Yeah, d2 also should launch on CH.
And iWR2 should combo off a clean hit.

*iWR 2's you*
[Spoiler]osse[/spoiler]

>alisa has a snake edge move
wew i didn't even know that until now. Why do alisa players never use it online?

>>183059276
pilipenis

>>183064237
>Yeah, d2 also should launch on CH.
I mean leo's does lol i
t's a more complicated input I guess. it's still just as fast, does I think the same damage and is as unsafe on block

>>183064275
lmao SEA monkey
same. PSN? Might've met you in a game or something

>>183063947
Movement works, it's just difficult. 8 and 10 frames isn't a big difference.You just didn't know how to combo when playing Tekken 3 as a child. I agree delay should be less and black should be black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCEi62kGUQA

>>183064405
whats yours ill add you

>>183064456
I'm not the guy that initially asked you but it's Ascelon_

>>183064371
It doesn't launch tho, isn't it only a garanteed hit afterwards?

>>183064580
not sure how it works exactly but you can get guaranteed extra damage after the ch

memes aside, which character is the best for an absolute beginner?

>>183064520
i sent

>>183064682
Yeah it doesn't launch, but the garanteed hits do some nice damage anyway.

>>183064752
yoshimitsu or nina

>>183064752
Lars

>>183064752
i'm a beginner myself and i like bob, nina and josie.

just pick someone who you think looks cool and play them for a bit, you'll quickly find out if you like them or not.

>>183064752
Asuka if you want to learn the game, or Josie/King if you just want to rank up quickly regardless of anything else.

>>183064752
Jack or Kazumi.

>>183064267
we have honor.

>>183064752
just stay away from xiaoyu, all mishmas, steve, nina and hwo

>>183064752
Paul

>>183064752
Bouncing off this, is Bryan a good choice? I've started to finally grasp the mechanics of the game and he's really fun, I just struggle due to inexperience. Am I starting too high?

>>183064905
ah yes, the character with a 2 hours long parry window she can mash through strings and safe mid launchers is pefect for learning the game, she's not gonna teach you bad habits at all

>>183065227
bryan is perfectly fine

>>183064752
Claudio/Lars if you want to eventually learn characters with stances since they're the most basic characters with it. STB is kind of like a stance.

Josie and Miguel I guess for 50/50 and lots of safe strings.

Jack, Kazumi or Shaheen I guess for the most fundamental shit.

>>183065227

Bryan is good. I learned the game with him way back in Tag 2 when I realized Kazuya was too hard, then I went back to Mishimas.

>>183064430

I was saying the number of launchers is very small compared to T5-T7 and execution difficulty exponentially (?) scales with damage, mostly due to air time being much shorter and move lists not design with juggling in mind. The only notable exception overall being Law, I think. Half of the stuff in that video looks like macros, like functionally impossible KYSG stuff.

And you point about movement is very disingenuous. It doesn't work to the extent that it did in T3. Sidesteps are much shorter and slower, and I'm almost sure they've hard-coded it to evade less in general, possibly backdashes too. No amount of execution will make it as good as even T5 movement, let alone T3.

>>183065356
Asuka has terribly offense so you can't just unga your way to free wins like with Josie or King.

Parries are useful but very easily counterable. You can beat them with knees, elbows, shoulders, etc. You can punish them just by delaying them. You can break them similar to how you would a throw.

>>183065730
filtered

last (you) you'll get out of me with your retardation

>>183064752
Dont be discouraged if you want to main Nina or a similar "hard" character. she has high skill ceiling but also has some stuff to make regular ass combos do good damage. this is my first fighting game and having lots of fun with Nina

>>183065876
>get BTFO
>pretends to filter me again
LOL

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What is the coolest Rage Art in the game and why is it Jin's?

>>183066060
yeah its pretty cool
*ducks it*

>>183063250
The plus or minus is how big of a difference there is between when you can initiate your next move and when your opponent can initiate his, plus is in your favor and minus favors your opponent. This doesn't mean one move is faster than another. Moves with plus frames can vary from jabs that recover quickly to heavy blows that cause opponents to stagger through their guard.

>>183054758
Why Harada pointed at Raiden?

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>>183066127
>Duck Alisa's Rage Art
>Hit my WS move too late and still eat it

>>183066060
looks kinds bad, like Kazumi's.

miguels or dragunovs are good but a bit long winded

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>spamming power crush

Feels good desu, even though they can be hard countered by throws

>>183066060
That's not Claudio's

>>183067009
and lows

>my low sweep combos dont work on jack
>the faggot just got up and gets a free launcher
actually just costed me my promotion, i fucking hate character sizes fucking up combos

>>183067021
DAH! DAH! DAH!!

>>183067250
O S S E R V A
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how to git gud with keyboard?

>>183065730

>Asuka has terribly offense so you can't just unga your way to free wins like with Josie or King.

Way to let everyone know you're a scrub right off the bat.

>>183066473
watch the last 20 seconds

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>Beat Asuka while trying out Kazumi
>Rematch
>Starts throwing out 10 strings and random parries 24/7 just to get that win
>Winquits

He played pretty well the first match aswell...

>>183067317
play the game
keyboard is better than pad objectively

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>>183068034

>>183068034
keyboard is less comfy and comfiness is the most important aspect of video games

why do you keep saying that beginners should stay away from nina? i think she's great and i just got this game. what am i missing?

>>183067910
>fighting ranked against someone
>they beat you like 5 times
>start catching on to their playstyle and how the character works
>no runbacks the moment they feel you making a comeback

>>183068034
I didn't see any keyboard users in Evo top 32

Is Leo a boy or a girl? The wiki didn't help me.

Is GeeseMaster gonna drop Feng for Geese?

>>183068520
Yes She's a girl

>>183068709
Did you just assume xher's gender?

>>183068514
Shit its almost like keyboards cant work or are not allowed on ps4 tournaments

>>183068792
Seems like they're not very good then

>>183068520
Don't fucking start this, for fuck's sake
Harada likes to troll people by juggling her gender around, but most people agree she's a girl.

>>183068878
yeah pc version of tekken 7 must suck if ps4 are used in tournaments

>>183054758
literally saving fighting games

>>183068941
>Don't fucking start this, for fuck's sake
I actually genuinely didn't know, I'm sorry.

>>183068994
Playing PC online is like playing the PS4 version offline. It's perfect.

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>>183066060
>el-scar

yoooo I just fought this guy in player match an hour ago, I won 2 and he won 1, at times I felt like he would just throw out launchers and other unsafe shit hoping it would hit

playing against Hwoarang really just saps away my drive to play
>"hey what if we just give a character fucking everything, that'll be good"
maybe it's time to switch to a more cancerous character, Lars is too honest for this game.

>>183069324
wouldn't d/b 1+2 be """""theoretically"""" good against hwoarang. Though I'm not sure if that high crushes.

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>>183069324
>Armor move that launches and converts into a 60% damage combo

>>183069471
No because unless you know what he's going to do next he either 1) moves forward too much and you get hit by a mid or 2) goes back into neutral and sees the attack coming from a mile away, blocks and launch punishes

d/b+1+2 is only good when you absolutely know they're going to attack with a high, or shallow mid/low. Against fagkicks it's a gamble and too big of a risk

>>183069735
>safe on block mid RA

Sagt mal Brudis wo fange ich am besten an wenn ich eine Webseite erstellen möchte? Direkt html tutorial bei youtube reinhämmern?

>>183070118
Leo pls

>>183070118
fuck off Leo

>>183070118
schweinhund

>>183070118
DANKESCHON

Kazuya's HMM HMM HMMMMM HMMMMMMMMM sounds get annoying real fast

DORYA is cool though

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>>183070252
>>183070296
>>183070332
fug:D wrong board.

Bruvs what is goin on wif dis? Oh my days

https://youtu.be/K_v1euMSWQo

>>183070415
cant wait for DUBBAREPUKEN

>>183070415
HAOH

Heihachi did nothing wrong. Kazuya did some things wrong. Jin did everything wrong.

>>183070483
>"...is this a parody?"
kek

How's Raven? I used to main him back in T5.

>>183068452
Because you're probably terrible

>>183070736
Went to Thailand and came back as Master Raven (Female)

>>183070736
He has breasts now

>>183070736
>him

>>183070736
Very strong

>>183070736
pretty cute, nice tiddies

whats the best follow up to Alisa's f, F+3, 4, 4?
another one does 63 damage which is pretty great but is there anything I can do to extend the juggle?

>>183070736
very good character. now she has all the tools to play solid instead of having to use gimmicks and tricks, but she still has plenty of those and dirty mixups.

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First person to give me a (You) decides my main!

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Akuma with Gigas' model is fucking terrifying

>>183071790

leo

>>183071901
i fucking hate you dude

>>183071941

what the fuuuck... I first wanted to say panda, but instead decided to give you a proper main

go with panda if its so bad... geez...

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I'm learning more and more about fighting the characters in this game but how do you fight the nerves? EVERY time I have a promotion chance I start dropping combos I nail with like 99% accuracy in practice mode because I just start freaking out and forget them

>>183072074
dude it's just a game lmao

>>183072019
too late. im already in practice mode

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All I have faced online is rushdown. Hwoarang after Dragunov after Law after Kazumi. Sometimes a Chloe or Asuka comes along, but quickly it returns to normal. Rushdown characters are just way more appealing to beginners because they can only get punished if their opponent knows all the framedata.

>>183072074
Muscle memory. Just stop focusing on the fact it's a promotion match and go with the flow.

>>183072216
i would take a rushdown over asuka any day

>>183072216
That's true of any fighting game.

The most fun parts of any competitive game are at the beginning when no player knows anything and at the very top when every player knows everything. The middle skill levels are always the most frustrating.

The best games always have a relatively small "middle-gap," while unfun games like RTS's have a huge one.

>>183072232
>Just stop focusing
what am I a zen Buddhist master or something? I think I'm gonna have to just stop looking at the screen until I hear ready fight

What is the combo from DJs ss2 the cool one where he flys around and shoots lasers

>>183063228
I got so excited for Geese that I loaded up KoFXIV and fucked around with him for a while.

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU!

>>183064924
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Hit brawler in about 65 wins, from beginner through the kyus and everything
>here I am at 130 wins still a brawler with the same character
like did I die while playing this game and slip into purgatory or something?

Anyone else an ugly neet autist who loves this game?

>>183072760
you were probably abusing gimmicks before. learn how to play tekken. green ranks is still 80% gimmicks though, you have to training mode them and learn how to counter them.

>>183072760
Welcome to the intermediate skill hell. Don't forget you're here forever or till you git gud

>>183072913
No!

>>183072913
I'm a beautiful neet autist who thinks the game is ok

>>183070736

Master Raven has nearly all the moves Raven has, just some differences in that she teleports instead of cloning herself. Due to that some old strings are not possible to do.

Also in general she's a better design than Raven, though I would be lying if I don't miss Raven's amazing shinobi outfit.

>>183072913
I wish I was a neet

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How do I git gud with Lee?

I've been trying to get a feel for what his strongest tools are but he doesn't feel like he has anything super strong. His magic 4 seems okay but inconsistent to convert off of on CH, he has trouble whiff punishing (sometimes it's even hard to punish blocked rage arts because they push him out of range), his homing moves have pretty short range, and his damage output feels very low in comparison to other characters. I've gotten comfortable doing his b2 mist step loops and I like their potential for corner carry, but even with those his damage seems low.

I can try to play him more defensively with things like b4 and try to use his lows like d3 or d/b3+4 to chip away at them, but it can be really hard to make a comeback if they manage to get a life lead.

tl;dr how can I play Lee in a more EXCELLENT way?

>>183072934
wtf do you mean by gimmicks
all I practice are my launchers and juggles and punishers

>>183073172
Who do you play

>>183073140
I was an extensive Lee player in Tag 2 and for little while in 7. And honestly, he's just not worth it in this game. You feel like you put in so much work, just to get launched by an electric and eat the same damage you dealt out, sometimes more, for less work than you put in. Great that you want to play Lee, he's a really cool character, but man he's work in this game.

>>183072913
Good looking neet reporting in

>>183073172
stuff like strings that are unsafe but new players cant counter (junkyard, high, high, high, low stuff, low low low mid stuff, etc).

using a snake edge type move often, using run up hellsweep as a 50/50 when it's steppable, stuff like that. you need to actually what each character can do (the common stuff anyway) and how to counter it to move out of green ranks.

>>183073238
kazumi

>>183073613
Man that run up hellsweep shit is so bad like u legit have to wavedash to realign. Ff3 completely misses and is almost useless for oki if u can't wavedash as kazuya

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>>183073024
shes also missing this intro

>>183069324
Easily the character I have no idea how to counter, it feels like everything he does is +5 on block and every single kick has 1 start up frame, cant even get a fucking jab in. That powercrush into combo, everything launches, FUCK ME. The true scrub killer for sure. Looks like a character you would have to lab for hours.

>>183071878
It just isn't possible to make swap mods without them looking like abortions? That's probably why Mokujin wasn't a thing.

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Paul players are such frauds

>>183073897
Raven was so lame

>>183072913
I'm a good looking normal fag

>>183071878

Anyone got Lucky Chloe as Gigas?

what rank do you have to be not be considered garbage anymore

>>183074956
yellow

>>183072913
Same.

It's a good thing fighting games don't care about how you look.

>>183074956
be JDCR and even then it's a tossup

>>183074956
red

>>183074956
i'm purple and i consider myself to be very mediocre lol

>>183075321
post proof

>>183075321
He meant ONLINE rank. Beating the cpu a bunch of times doesn't count

>>183075321
purple ranks is like top 20 players that's not mediocre at all even this early. unless you are talking about off line purple rank...

>>183064752
Bob, Paul, Josie, Katarina, Claudio, Miguel, Leo

>win quitting on the 3rd game after losing 2

c'mon guys i just wanna play

>>183074956
Orange imo

>>183064752
Jack.

Very simple game plan. Easy execution. Good and reliable punishes. Hardly any panic moves so you're forced to learn real defense.

>>183073405
And because of this Namco is going to conclude "Oh, nobody likes Lee. Let's not include him in the next game then."

>>183069051
It's ok anon, it's just that the she/he discussion gets out of hand sometimes.

>>183073405
That's what I was afraid of

I really like Lee as a character and I have fun playing him. It can just be really frustrating and discouraging when you compare things like damage output or ranges on normals/strings

How to make keyboard work on PS4.
Do I have to make a custom stick from a scratch?

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Keep it down will ya, trying to get some dick here!

>>183067317
>>183076940
>playing fighting games on a keyboard

>go against paul nigger
>he does his shitty demo man
>let go of stick
>still combos at the wall and get hit
>all these niggers do is jab demoman into death fist
this nigger truly is low iq
when the fuck is the damage nerf coming

>>183077290
Never you worthless scrub. I don't even main Paul. He's fine

>>183073405
i think the worst part is how middling poke damage overall is in this game outside of things like CH d+3, HMS 4 for example. pokes alone just suck if your opponent isn't pressing buttons in dumb places. i notice it when i play any strong poke character. tag 2 lee was so much scarier.

>>183077290
it's death on block dawg

>>183077238
There's literally nothing wrong with a keyboard.

>>183076813
He's super fun though. I still play him casually, I just don't take him seriously as I used to in tag 2 and wanted to in 7. His rage drive is super sick, you get two corkscrews in one combo and its super fun.

how does lucky chloe do the rage art where she spells out her name and then ends it with an uppercut?

Paul hits u with ch qcb4? Game over

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>>183077223
>Dude is a hotter girl than most girls

God damnit

>>183077690
>#3: Precise tapping 3~4 during each hit of the RA will yield more damage.

>>183077375
>impossible to sidestep demo now
>deals huge damage from 4 hits, can lead to 100+ damage if it gets you to the wall with an extra string
>impossible to punish demoman if you actually block the entire string, forced to make a guess when the unreactable low is coming
>doesn't even make sense since story wise Heihachi and Kazuya are literally stronger than Paul, but do less damage than him
you must be a retard if you honestly believe Paul's damage doesn't deserve a nerf

>>183067910
Chicken.

>>183077690
>>183077936

Is the timing on this really tight or something? I've never seen a Chloe player do this. Not even Koreans.

>>183076725
Lee is a babby Mishima before Lars. If anything, they'll probably put him in as Violet

>>183076725
I haven't really seen many Lee players since Tag 1, but he has still been in every game since.

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>be a new player
>get matched with this
What do?

Hey faglords how do I feng? You said he was great but I don't see how. He has some okay lows but hes really slow

>>183077949
Yep. Confirmed shitter.

>>183078613
Pick Dragunov and use f+1+2 every time these faggots use deathfist

>FR
Why do they all main him? They really are shit at every video game they play huh

>>183078613
use your armored move like crazy and hit them when they're down/getting up. Most Pauls in mentor NEVER stop pressing fucking buttons.

>>183065227
>>183065356
i'm also a newer player who's interested in Bryan, mostly because as you play him you can get more complicated as your own skill levels up. What is Bryan's general gameplan/playstyle

jesus, I gotta start masturbating with my left arm. That last match gave me a cramp from all the zoning

>>183077949
I bet you can't even block i20 lows on reaction.

>>183078726
only ever had success in soul calibur, and even then when Aris blows you out in that game were you really ever good to begin with?

>>183078613
>>183078803
I forgot to mention if they spam demoman then backdash a lot and start blocking low. It's launch punishable. Hate that fucking move.

how do i channel the gods of autism to improve my mishima play?

>>183079386
Build an altar for the five gods of Melee

>>183079386
Watch TheMainMan and dodge all King and Eddy players

>>183079386
Just copy whatever that autist the main man does

>>183079312
>>183078726
Thanks, but of course i got destroyed. At least managed to punish some deathfists

finally got around to story mode, pretty good. fun with the one button wind god fists and what not. kazuya came out looking pretty cool

>>183079825
Theres a video on YouTube that shows you how to punish deathfist with every single character

Assume you are concerned only with getting as good in Tekken as possible. You don't care about style, aesthetics or "fun", other than the fun of winning. Would you focus just on playing one character or would you learn several characters?

>>183080005
Dumb post

>>183080005
Play one character. Watch recordings of your matches and learn every single move your opponent did and how to punish or respond to them.

Don't talk to me.

>>183080326
make me

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wow every character that isn't kazuya is for scrubs

watch this 5 ewgf into a loss

>>183080005
As many as possible imo

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>win 70% of matches on expert
>whenever I go to grandmaster I lose 90% and get demoted

>>183080436
>does a 5 ewgf combo instead of wall carry

>>183080512
Switch to Paul and death fist

>>183076725
Lee is closely related to Mishimas so he isn't going anywhere until he dies. Same for the bear.

>>183080005
You would focus on one, then all, then one.

Do you guys block with d or db? I've been feeling like if I use d it'll be faster and I want to start low parrying so maybe I should.

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>>183080436
>>183080619
Once you hit the 100 hour mark of the EWGF vortex your neurons have subtly begun to change. By hour 200 you know nothing but EWGF.

Other players simply cannot comprehend the enlightenment that comes with mastering a Mishima. It is a state of pure zen that is akin to speaking with God. Playing another character is dirtying yourself and must be cleansed by performing a ritual in involving hundreds of CH DF2 PEWGF loops.

>>183080005
Focus on one but do a check on the others to not get meme'd by their gimmicks.

>>183073405
>lee players complaining about damage vs electrics
>as if they have anything harder than an electric

you guys are dumb
>muh wall carry

>>183080292
Just to make it clear, this isn't "should a noob learn just one character" question. Neither I'm really looking advice for myself. I'm just curious, for some reason, whether it would be useful to learn several characters if you only care about winning.

Why does PC version not have Eliza reee.

>>183080914
Dumb post

>>183074394
don't forget leos

>>183080827
i'm going to frequent this general

>>183080750
It's better to use db in general.
For example, if you get hit by King's Ali Kick, to block the next ones you have to hold db. d alone won't work.

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>>183080959
>PC version does not have Eliza

>>183080914
Playing characters other than your main is only useful for gathering knowledge. If you have the patience to study everyone without actually playing them you'll have more time to get better at playing your main. Playing long sets against a character is the best way to learn matchup from my experience.