/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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play poschengband you shitters

>>182923787
I don't feel like grinding.

*recalls to deeps*
*hastes during recall*
*creates doors*
*detects*
nothin personnell dungeon

>>182925858
>not being a mage of craft
>not casting regeneration, heroism, seeinvis, elemental branding, telepathy, resistance, haste, weaponmastery, magicarmor, passwall, immunity, and mana branding
>not macroing all this shit to your function keys and just rolling your face on the keyboard whenever it's time to refresh buffs

>>182927574
I do use macros for my casting and some other things though

besides, sorcery gets to literally >*teleports behind you* and that shit is cray cray

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Does anyone play DECj?

If so how can you make it work?

>>182929238
train the conjuration skill, and then cast your conjuration spells at enemy monsters in order to reduce their hit points to 0

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>>182856931

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21430#issuecomment-315647357

Remember me to not doubt you in the future, Anon.

>>182921502
how the FUCK is a mage supposed to defeat Mennas? That faggot is both faster than me with haste, and can constantly cast silence over and over and over and over and over again. What is this bullshit? Fuck this faggot and fuck Zin.

It's unrealistic that a battery that can start an entire car doesn't have enough power to run a minifridge forever. Therefore I propose that there should be a startup option so that people can choose between realism and game balance.

>>182929817
This kevin guy sounds like a fag

>>182929404
hello i am elliptic and i approve of this message

>>182931285
Oh he a fag

>>182931285
NO. HE. DOES. NOT.

http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=3310.75
>Boatmurdered introduced me to df.
>df brought me back to roguelikes.
>Roguelikes brought me to cata.
>Boatmurdered is the crazy step-uncle of DDA.

Blame the goons.

Take a shot everytime Kevin says "Working as intended"

>>182930815
recognize a dangerous situation at the beginning and start running away BEFORE you spend 5 turns mashing spelltab
you can read blink or tele when he first appears before he gets into silence range (holding tab until he gets close enough to silence you fucks you over here, of course)
and even if he DOES silence you:
he's not faster than you with haste, he's the same speed as you with haste
so you can drink haste and then literallywalkaway to the nearest <, the same as you might with a hydra or ogre
i think you can throw a net at him too to help things out

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If he doesn't want to have a new mod for every new feature that people doesn't like. I vote for making the "no Kevin changes mod" as >>182866038 said.

>>182932663
This is kind of understandable, since if you allow players to opt out of a new change, no one actually tests the thing. See: bionic slot limits

It's funny since some of his positions would actually be reasonable if he didn't say them in the most angry autist way.

Gnolls got changed in Crawl again and they're even worse than before. 7/7/7 attributes that are not changed by anything, including backgrounds, gods, potions and items. You get flat +3 apts on everything but it's hard to enjoy them when everything shits on you starting from D:4.
They finally pushed this change live and finally made gnolls unfun for the entirety of the game.

In cataclysm, how do I tell what gear is and is not comfy without trying it?

>>182938301
By the body part it covers.
Shit is uncomfy if it covers mutant plant body parts.
Mutation-friendly parts may still be kosher, though. Shit like foot wraps.

>>182938760
Oh shit, I think it was from something covering my flowers.
Which is real inconvenient. How dare the mutation be all green and happy.

Also, the foot wraps feel bad on my roots, so I think mutation-friendly parts aren't kosher.

>>182938952
Wear your rainbow-colored garlands with pride, sister (male).

>>182939147
See, this is why I make my survivors ladies.
Now to ponder how I'm going to survive the winter, other than just camping inside somewhere and eating dirt while passing time in the most boring manner possible.

>>182939253
>not making beautiful characters with cat ears, cute fangs, sundresses, and maid (male) profession

>>182940083
Sorry, I'm too busy making pretty female unwilling experiments.

>tfw hooked on Demon again
No victory for the 16th. I went hiking.

>>182930815

Cast firestorm.

Ocean man
Take me by the hand
To the land
That you understand

>>182921502
What do you think anon is thinking about in that pic next to gigantic slime?

>>182944019
Ocean man
The voyage to the corner of the globe
Is a real trip

>>182944226
He's disappointed since he expected the slime to be a cute slime girl instead of an amorphous blob.
He's contemplating sticking his dick in it anyways.

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>>182944226

>>182944424
It's a slime demon of disease.
This would be more of a "risky behavior" than getting barebacked in a russian heroin junkie squat

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>raiding a science lab
>too cold despite having warm clothes
>"fuck it, wearing down-filled blanket will fix everything"
Or maybe not.

>>182945319
Nigger, that's an ice lab.

Nothing barring a power armor will protect you from the cold.

>>182945319
Ice labs can have temperatures below absolute zero if you go deep enough.

>>182945393
>temperatures below absolute zero
Wait, isn't it that roguelike which wants to go full realism?

>>182946580
No, it's that roguelike where head dev wants to make players' lives as miserable as possible with tedium and badly designed "features" that he excuses with
>it doesn't make sense that you can wear unwashed clothing with no penalties
while gaping holes in realism, such as mosquito bites re-breaking almost mended broken limbs, are "working as intended"

Then, when someone wants to fix the gaping holes in a way that doesn't make players' lives more miserable, he requires very strict design standards.
But when the fix is a bandaid that causes more problems than it fixes, it will be merged despite repeated complaints from the playerbase.

>>182947030
Well, I guess it cannot be that bad if there is still a playerbase who even leaves comments, suggestions, adds fixes etc.

May I ask what are we talking about? I thought it's Crawl Stone Soup at first.

>>182947303
More than just playerbase: there are people willing to fix this shit for him and actually offering complete fixes.

>I thought it's Crawl Stone Soup at first.
DCSS has a head dev who fucks thing up too?

>>182947369
>DCSS has a head dev who fucks thing up too?
Where have you been living for the past year or so?

>>182947030
Hello Coolthulhu.

>>182947407
I thought it has a band of like-minded devs who all agree to fuck things up, not one person who does it against everyone else.

>>182947504
Oy vey shut it down

>>182947547
DCSS is the band of like-minded devs that wants to fuck things up.

CDDA is one person who goes against everyone else.

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>>182929238

None. It's just a dumb background these days with battlesphere scrapped. Unreliable AOE which main use is single targeting, an interesting and tactical AOE that is dual schooled with a spellschool no one will ever use, a lvl 1 spell that's basically useless. What redeeming points do Conjurers have? Dazzling Spray? Force Lance? lmao

rate my DElf muts

>>182948989
Then what should I pick to be a magic-only character?

>>182949135
FE, duh

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>>182949135

An Earth Elementalist of course. It has none of those pretentious spells that's only practical use is to be amnesia'd. Very straightforward except for a single but quite versatile tactic of petrify+LRD

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>mfw DDA draws 3 times faster with software rendering than with accelerated

>>182937052
>Gnoll
The dog is now literally dogshit
I really hope you like eating because spellcasting with 7 int causes a shitload of hunger

>>182932273
dead from alcohol poisoning thanks buddy

>>182937052
>gnoll

>spellcaster route
>lol 7 max int

>tabber route
>lol 7 max str

>stealth route
good luck stabbing OoF

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>>182937052
>>182953791
The neko is not amused by this, i really dont get what were they thinking with this.. If it were 10 flat stats no matter what then maybe it would have been ok, but 7? Even tho the 777 is THE number, im sure someone gets the reference

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I am going to try to kill Morgy /rlg/. I fucked up and stepped on an alarm, but thanks to Vanish I managed to lose and isolate him. Im gonna try the usual throne room slaying fiesta and see if I do enough damage, if I dont I'll grab more Sils and GTFO.

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AT LAST

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I swear to fucking Vehumet if I splat in the first floor of Tomb again I'm quitting Crawl for good

In Brogue, what's a good way to make an ally stay behind without using items?

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>>182954723
Hmm, mayyyyybe its possible? I put 10+ glyph of warding in the corridor, I tried to attack him after clearing the room but it was too hard to make damage stick while kiting him so I reset the fight and try it this way.

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What the fuck?! Mummy curses are actually lethal now? There goes another 3 hours down the drain

>>182958332
Curses were always lethal, werent they?

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>>182958157
Well no again he's regening too fast now that I have to run away. It's certainly possible but I invested too much in stealth and perception, cant shoot him point blank because my evasion is shit, and I'd need high will for song of mastery (and maybe crippling to work?)

>>182958430

There were some tweaks about mummy curses some time ago. Might have something to do with that

>>182952769

Food is the least of your worries when spellcasting with 7 (seven) int

>>182954703
It used to be 5/5/5 when it was tested, so it's after a buff already.

>>182959806

It's not a buff because those 5/5/5 could be influenced in some way

>>182959891
Nope, the 5/5/5 was also fully locked. There was a commit to enable stat choice later on, but the devs left that one out when they merged into trunk.

>>182937052
So what are you even supposed to do with such low stats?
Spam evocables and pray you have enough charges to get you through the game?

>>182960953

You can still tab things with 7 str. Just always ensure secure your escape route/s and methods

DCSS is so fucking long and tedious. I really like the sprints because every corridor is meaningful as opposed to the vast halls of what is essentially grinding.

It's still fun but there's so much grinding in between fun gameplay

>>182960629

That's just masochistic if it was also fully locked. And the apts were also diminishing to intolerable amounts during that?

>>182961771
No, apts don't scale in any of the stat locked versions. It's +3 on everything from 0.0 to 27.0

I've got a Monkey ally and an empowerment wand. Nothing else yet.
Do I get Firebolt 4/4, Conjuration 3/3, or Haste 3/3?

ded?

Is there a Conan the Barbarian feeling roguelike?

>>182941114
Good for you, but I don't think anybody cares.

>>182970514
MiBe

>>182971672
>DCSS

>>182941114
Thanks for sharing. I hope you enjoyed the tranquility

>>182964493
Firebolt
then zap yourself with it to make all your melee attacks do bonus fire damage

>Be Gargoyle Earthmage
>Cleared Elves and first rune
>Still no See Invisible
>Second rune is Spider

So Ghost Moths could royally fuck me over. Can I just skip the rune and get the second rune in the abyss? I feel like this would be really hard especially for a caster as you can't always rest for mana

If I become planty enough, will plants stop being hostile to me?
CCDDA, if you didn't realize.

>>182973858
Nope
At least not all plants

>>182974046
>not all
What ones DO become friendly?

>>182974215
Looks like none
But having flowers makes monsters in bee faction (not wasps though) give you roughly 2 extra turns of grace period before they decide to fuck you up for being near them.

>>182972797
go clear out Vaults to 4, should be easy

>>182972797
you already have the 1 rune for the Vaults entrance, so you don't need any more until you want to enter Zot

just do Spider to 3 and come back for 4 after V:4, at which point you'll probably have the gear to deal with it and even if you don't you'll be overleveled

>>182974520
Rude.
They just want to suck your nectar.

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How many rats can make it? 1.

Playing tome4 on insane for the first time.
>half of all enemies are rares with a mile-long list of talents
How is this supposed to be playable? I can't read through all of that shit for every fucking enemy

>>182976039
... 1. Make that 1.

>>182977924
You quickly learn to scan for buttrape abilities and ignore the others.
There are many rare classes which do not have buttrape abilities at all.

Why do metal arrows have a higher armor pierce, range, and damage than sharpened metal arrows?

Like... am I misreading this or are metal arrows just flat better in every way than sharpened arrows?

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fak

>>182980138
Why is early game the hardest part?

>>182980374
Cant work with as many resources

Can I be hacked from online crawl. Will I get viruses? Do I need an email

>>182980138
BEOGH SMITES YOU

>>182980697
No. No. yes

>>182981274
Does online crawl secretly use SSH behind the scenes btw?

>>182981168

My fault for fighting a chain mail-wearing priest, did like no damage with my +1 spear. don't play crawl while tired, kiddos.

What combo do I go with now that the Wn-streak failed?

>>182981867
Random species and background

>>182981374
This is on their page

"Playing Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online is possible in non-graphical mode via Telnet/SSH and in graphical mode via the new WebSocket technology."

>>182980697
It's a (very remote) possibility.

>>182980374
It's not though?
Most of my deaths after I got (relatively) good are still around Lair or Depths
It's really not that difficult to not die as long as you aren't fucked over by RNG
Run from orc priests
Run from ogres
Run from orc warriors
Run from Gnolls packs if some of them have polearms

>Kill an entire school of kids
>not a single one is wearing a backpack
How in the fuck is my luck so poor, they always have those when I just find them out in the world.

>>182983312
just use a shopping cart nigga

>>182981274
You don't actually need an email, you can enter anything so long as it meets the requirements (one @ and a ., I think).

Just don't forget your password.

>>182983409
I just figured it'd be a quick skip and jump to steal a backpack from a kid.
Like five hundred kids later, I ma regretting my decision.

>>182983312
check the desks and lockers, there's usually a backpack to find

>>182955062
>you can't go down here
literally lol my man

Whats the best way to use gozag? It seems like the shops in the orcish mines could potentially be gamewinning now, but I'm unsure. Would bribing the final level of zot be legit?

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>>182982001

making good time
/enslave is OP

>>182982746
But in mid-late game you usually have several oportunities to escape with a bit of luck after you make a mistake. Early your only chance if you are stupid enough to fight with an ogre is to run and hope you randomly get a speed boost on him and be near the stairs.

>>182960953
You can probably cast even level 9 spells; Dragon Form (level 7) is at <10% at 18 Tmut and 11 Spellcasting without any wizardry. The problem is every fucking thing has ridiculously low spell power (### for the above example) and anything above level 1 spells costs food.

I think the best idea is to use things that either don't rely on attributes or don't care about high XP investment, like Invocations, Evocations, shields or UC. Fun fact: when I tried to get an UC gnoll rolling, I had to start with a weapon (quarterstaff) and level UC from 0 because a straightforward UC start was dying to adders and ants despite the +3 apt.

>>182985881
Sure, nothing is immune to Gozag. You need around four bribes (12k gold) for the whole vault though, it runs out very fast due to how powerful the monsters are there. Of course you don't have to bribe everything and instead use new allies to kill incoming hostiles.

>>182987927
No you're supposed to learn how to cheese the energy system so that you can guarantee a speed boost by unwielding your weapon and giving him a free hit.

What are some ways to defend yourself from fungaloid infection?
Is wearing a mask enough?
Because I am mysteriously just... not getting infected with mushroom disease, and I have no idea why.

>>182988968
It's RNG, except when breathing in the gaseous spores.

>>182989240
Fair enough. Should I feel weird about shooting people with the same arrows I shot a fungaloid with?
It -feels- like a bad idea.

>>182989470
Don't give Kevin any ideas!
I don't wanna start washing arrows after every use.

>>182989470
Nah, DDA does not have IVAN-style blood covering.
Also, if it stacks, it's identical.

>>182989751
>>182989786
I really wish I could have flaming arrows, though.

>>182989954
Too unrealistic.

>>182988447
wait what? How does this work?

>>182988968
If you don't attack or kill fungaloids and stay away from the boss structures you shouldn't get infected. The former aren't hostile and the latter don't move so this isn't particularly difficult.

>>182989954
You can make exploding ones instead

>>182921502
https://imgur.com/gallery/ttVXC
Cataclysm: DDA just got a whole lot realer.

>>182993242
>exploding a fungaloid
That would just make it WORSE!

Also I make it a point to try to kill them whenever possible.I do not like their fungal bullshit.

>>182993435
You have to go back

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>>182993435
I like where we're going with this.

>>182992671
When you perform an action, it displays the amount of time you took in parentheses after Time. So, typically, it takes 1.0 time units for you to move, and it takes about 1.6 for an ogre to attack. If you wield or unwield a weapon, that's 0.1.

That means you can give the ogre a free hit by doing things that take a small amount of time, which guarantees that he will still be on his attack cooldown when you move away. Do this when you're one step away from the stairs to prevent energy randomization from letting him catch up.

Literally everyone who plays the game knows this already, anon.

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Who else /cavesofqud/ here?

>>182995336
I didn't even know unequipping weapons was 0,1 seconds. Thanks for the tip, finally I don't have to waste 10 minutes to escape an enemy

>>182995618
Can you give a quick rundown on this game? Like what are 3 things that make you love this game?

>>182995618
I only play the free and dated ASCII version of the game.

>>182995618
I play it.
Though, I'm not playing it right now, I'm on a cataclysm kick.
Qud comes once you are tired of cataclysm, and want to move foreward on the timeline.

>>182996000

1) It's a brutally difficult open-world roguelike with
2) a huge variety of character creation/customization options in
3) an interesting setting with a post-apocalyptic retro-science-fantasy aesthetic

>>182996110
I enjoy the free version because some of my favorite builds are more viable, but I still play the most recent updates.

Is there some secret to operating in winter as a plant?
You can't wear coverings or any of that shit without being saaaaad.
Do you just be sad?

>>182996867
In this game you can

play a 4-armed, 4-legged dual-wield short blade fighter

or

a winged, beaked gunslinger with hands that summon fire

or

a psionic who controls thralls, shoots lasers, can teleport, create walls of force, or a bunch or other things,

or

an artificer who can dissemble and build artifacts of an ancient futuristic era

or... just tons of things. Anyone who likes roguelikes and doesn't know of CoQ needs to at least give the free version a try

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>>182997240
nothing wrong with being sad

when you need to do morale-dependent things just put an mp4 player in your ears, a vibrator in your ass, and a gallon of pudding in your tummy and you'll be ecstatic in no time

>>182997240
Just stay inside? And pick a better plant next time

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>>182997240
How sad? If it's less than -50 it doesn't matter for the most part. Or take optimist and you can ignore most any morale penalty short of murder and cannibalism.

>>182997513
Pudding and toast'ems solves all problems.

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>25 speed
>most stats drained to near-zero
>stamina falling faster than it recovers
>actually taking damage it's so cold
Starting at the bottom of an ice lab wasn't the best idea.

Are the most recent meme gods any good?

Stuff like hepqkliana, uskayaw, ru and wu jian

Is spriggan of Fedhas going to die of starvation, or will it be manageable?

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yeah it's a huge pain on spriggan because all those corpses you would normally eat get turned into toadstools instead

>>183002196
No lol, you wont die

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>>183001934
Hep and Uskayaw are okay.

Ru and Wu are good.

>>183001934
You can always follow the suggestion of DCSS's amazing wiki and use a scroll to acquire fruit!

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Holy shit, what a good find this early in the game.

Good thing I'm playing DeMo :^)

>>183002383
But your only source of food is now getting choked by all of fedhas's ability costs.

>>183006171
You can't even turn rations or honey into oklobs.

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*smites u*

>>183006630
*walks away*

>>182998663
>>182997513
why is pudding so good?
Can you make it?

What language would be the easiest to make a simple roguelike without relying on external libraries like ncurses? C++ or C#?

All I want to do is make a '@' move around a map and be able to kill monsters, with no other fancy stuff.

Do you enjoy a game more if you can enter specific features and traits to describe your character even if it has no real purpose aside from better visualization of your character?

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>>183008274
do you... not know what pudding is, anon?

>>183008685
You will want an external library just for that.
Terminal "graphics" isn't actually that simple.

You could just use output simple vt100 escape codes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code), which every sane terminal emulator will support but then you still have shit like putting the terminal into raw mode which differs on every Unix clone.
Not to mention Windows, which does everything completely different.

>>183009381
It's milk with like horse hooves and shit.
S'weird. And ungulates don't drop hooves when butchered.

>>183008873
>enter
Nope, but I like how in Moria it randomly generates a background for your character.

>>183008685
Something that has graphics functions built-in, I imagine. Having to write your own ncurses or SDL or whatever is going to be far more of a pain than bumping an @ around.

>>183008873
customization is fun.

>>183009924
>>183009427
tbqh, I wouldn't mind ncurses at all if I didn't need portability so a few friends from non-*nix machines can play it.

C# seems like an attractive choice, since I can just start off with making console applications and whatever I make should be portable.

>>183010656
There is stuff like pdcursers, or whatever is fashionable right now, which work Windows too.

Don't die

>>182954703
Crowley?

>>183014282
give me 1 good reason

>>183010812
Yeah, pdcurses works fine. Only ncurses-specific stuff like menus doesn't port over.

cataclysm seems to get buggier and buggier all the time.