XCOM general - /xcg/

Squad wipe averted

Reapers or Skirmishers? Vote now

First for Valhen did nothing wrong.

>>182857847
Reapers look like their gonna be more fun but skirmishes are gonna be better.

I'm calling it

>>182857847
Don't make me choose, they both look incredible in their own way.

Skirmisher is going to be a fantastic frontline troop for your battle-line to hinge around, and Reapers are going to be the replacement to a concealment ranger, doing everything they do but better, with a lot of new tricks (Your only trade off is losing the high damage of the shotgun and the sword) for assassinating enemies/groups of enemies and remaining in concealment.

>>182857803
How many did we had to leave behind though? HOW MANY!?

>>182857847
Reapers look more flexible.

>>182857889
Cuties can do no wrong sneks arent cute, you collaborators.

>>182857847
>>182857970
Although in terms of lore/aesthetics etc, Skirmishers ALL the way. I've been using Jsleezy's repurposed vanilla stuff to create my own Advent defectors/defects since it came out, as it is an idea I love.

>>182857847
Skirmishers. The idea of liberated ADVENT defectors teaming up with XCOM tickles me in all the right places. I don't care if they're the worst or least interesting mechanically of the three hero units, they're getting all my focus.

>>182858156
This guy gets it.

>>182858156
This is also a good explanation, I also like how the skirmishers have to fight extra harder to prove that they're not puppets anymore and that they have to kill their brother and sister even though given a choice wouldn't be fighting for the Elders. Templars should have a cooler lore, DAMN IT JAKE RELASE THE INSIDE LOOK

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>>182857847
Skirmishers have the best aesthetic of all three groups. You can't deny this.

>>182858156
What happens when xcom win?

Do they go free or are they banned from reproducing if they can? Or get fucked by the reapers and the general population?

>>182858927
We talked about this in a previous thread. I like to believe they'll be dechip and if they're still loyal they get executed, I mean they did help liberate the world, or maybe make a ADVENT reserve in africa or something.

>>182858412
Its the fur man, it fits so well.

>>182858412
We should try and bully Advent Pathfinder anon into doing Skirmisher aesthetic version of the armour when the DLC comes out.

(I kid Pathfinder!Anon)

>>182857847
Skirmishers.

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>>182858412

I wish the TF gear mod was updated with all of TF2 armors.

Are Codices the projections of beings from a higher dimension? How did they fall under the control of the Ethereals?

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>>182858412
>>182859753
Is this still X-Com or is it Destiny already?

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>>182860201
Skirmisher reminds me more of Titanfall than Destiny.

>>182860071
aren't they artificial or something

>>182860438
Even in the Codex brain project Tygan isn't exactly sure what it is, but he decides it is an "organism" rather than a machine, just entirely beyond our normal definitions of life because of it being some kind of manifestation of the psionic network.

(IIRC, been a while since I read the Codex brain report)

At what sort of tech level is it best to take on Rulers?

>>182860627
They're basically XCOM 2's Outsider.

>>182860696
Tier 2.

>>182860696
Tier 1

>>182860696

tier 1 but everybody has superior repeaters equipped

not clickbait
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYJ_gC79x90

>>182861982
I feel like everyone has seen this by now.

Where is The Elders Most Loyal Champion?

>>182862073

Who cares about that loser, where's muh EXALT Templars?

>>182862073
Warlock. He somehow Psi-ed up a stool that could support him while the Elders were talking. That or he has mad squatting skills on par with a Slav.

>>182858412
The Templars look ten times better. They are fucking Grey Knights.

>>182862287
No I'am asking about the lack of Warlockposting on this thread.

>>182862342
Templar Helmet mouthpiece looks a bit off but besides that they look great.

>>182857847
Skirmishers. Michael Dorn seals the deal for me.

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Who are these ladies?

>>182862421
Maybe it's because there's not enough posts dedicated to warlocking posts.

>I want to braid the Warlock's locks!

reading up on the old x-com plotline is kinda weird
>theres fucking psionic bacteria that controls your mind

>another botched campaign
I think my head is on wrong and I need to take a break to get into the right mindset before I try again

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>>182862719
Advent is A E S T H E T I C

>>182859360
Between the Pathfinders mod and WotC giving us Skirmishers, I am starting to find the idea of ADVENT defectors to be a lot more appealing.
I blame good aesthetics.

>>182865052
>Have skirmisher resistance order that gives you double agent troopers
>Can't let them evac with you in the skyranger
Xcom really hates them Xenos.

>>182862719
Propaganda to make it seem like ADVENT aren't hybrids.

They don't actually exist.

>>182865232
>Advent using Anime as propaganda.
They must be dealt with. What are the newscasters tho? Actual collaborators or robots?

Should I use the Pathfinders with the expansion when it drops?

>>182857617
Someone please post all the map mods and parcels they have, half of them are incompatible with eachother for me

>>182858927
It's very likely that their ability to breed has been genetically engineered out of them by the Elders.

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>>182866183
If you look closely at Mox's face, you can sort of see that his sectoid face has been grafted onto him, so I would think that everything else is pretty normal so if his face alteration is that crude.

>>182866183
This, though it isn't like they wouldn't have access to a gene therapy to try to get that back in. I would think that would be a priority for any rights activists that would want them on an equal footing to humanity, especially for their service in helping to win the war.

It would really all depend on if they feel like it is even their place. Their bodies were created from the remains of hundreds of thousands of humans, they might feel like they could never have that right and just want to live to ensure that humanity gets their planet back.

Man, there is a pretty interesting story to tell with these guys. I can't wait to get them in game and get a feel for them. Mox seemed so bro tier. I want to hear about his time in Advent, if he was conscious during the time he had the chip, or if it's like being in a haze from the data feed.

>>182866678
I suspect that he's one of the first gen, since the Reapers talk like he was well known. Process for making them wasn't that good yet, so it involved a lot of graphing and conditioning. Not to mention the Chip implantation. Oh man, I forgot to look and see if he has the same Scar that Tygan has.

>>182866678
Without meaning to sound rude, I have some objections. Firstly, the face grafting doesn't need to be sophisticated; their helmets, Tygan notes, are designed to make seeing inhuman features virtually impossible, so whilst they can afford a hack-job there it doesn't mean they haven't either been physically sterilised (Hysterectomy or Castration) or more likely mentally sterilised (their drive to reproduce removed by altering their brain structure either genetically, surgically, or chemically). I would be surprised if the Elders would want, even by accident, for ADVENT troops to reproduce. They seem like right regular control freaks to me.

I respectfully disagree also that that is necessarily a skin graft at all. Although the skin tone is a of a separate colour to parts of his cranium, you can also see a Deus Ex CASIE-style line of metallic circles, which indicate that instead he's had augmentations implanted into him. From what Elena says in what we have seen of Lost and Abandoned, Mox was once a successful ADVENT officer, so perhaps he was an earlier model of officer with a different make-up or training, or simply augmented differently to his companions. I will admit, it has piqued my curiosity that the tone difference should be so pronounced.

>>182866678

The scarring/modifications on his face was something he did to distinguish himself from his fellow Skirmishers. They are clones so they all share the same "face."

>>182867639
>clones
>having the exact same face
That doesn't make sense.

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Retoasting for ScoutAnon

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=974478357

It's finished, normally i'd write something long here but i just got done writing a book for the mod's description(fun fact, there's a limit of 8k characters in the mod description). And if you have been keeping up you already know what the deal is.

tl;dr: 2 new aliens with 4 variants each, plasma weapons for advent, new weapon type for Xcom complete with the 3 tech tiers, Proximity stun mine, some doohickey scanner that gives flanking bonuses(and mobility for the one you get from the T4 Advent), a vest that gives 3 mobility(so you can go super fast with an SMG) and more!(disclaimer: there's nothing more).

>>182867391
Maybe because it was still early and they couldn't ramp up production without mass abductions and were using the humans they had already managed to abduct during the war, it was better to try to save Advent when they were wounded. Maybe Mox got a severe head wound that needed a skin graph?

Later, once they had the forge up and running, pumping out Advent would be easy, so they wouldn't have to worry about trying to save him.

>>182867801
It is not inconceivable - such a wound could go some way to explaining his rebelliousness. Someone had to be the first to discover a device or method to remove ADVENT chips, and it predates Tygan's defection (otherwise he wouldn't have been able to remove it). It wouldn't be Mox, but he certainly would have been difficult to persuade towards the Skirmishers if he still had it operating at full function. Perhaps he was recovered like other Skirmishers - injured in action and then dechipped?

Likewise, Mox may have been considered a valuable enough asset that saving him was worthwhile. In which case, the skin graft could be explained again in terms of injury.

So... the elefant in the room.

The entire planet is under control by super advanced aliens.

You swoosh around in a clunky pseudo-space ship and no one notices?

>>182868417
Bradford's flying is so bad they are convinced it is a meteorological event

>>182865608
Actual humans, just reading what the authorities give them as news with no reason to doubt any of it.

The Speaker is a Thinman though, just with a better melding of human genes.

>>182868417
I'm sure the Council spokesman was pulling some strings behind the scenes and altering flight plans so no one notices.

>>182867759
Pathfinder anon, why does the weapon cost in the screenshot display things with the 0 value, like it's not required for the weapon but is still there anyway?

>>182857847
Skirmishers. Kill. Kill. KILL! He's a one man army.

>>182869151
Councilman lives r-right?

>>182858412
>>182860201
what the fuck jake it looks exactly the same

fuck you copycat nigger

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>>182870216
He's dead.

>>182870216
delete this right now councilman lives

he is the one true god

>>182868417
Total global surveillance is harder then you think. Even for a super advanced race. It requires infrastructure and Satellite surveillance requires a lot of them, as we know from EU and it's not perfect. Council man also would have a hand in making sure that your flight plans were going through blind spots, which is why you can only get to certain places on the globe from other locations.

Advent themselves also barely go outside the city centers, so not a lot of chance for the Avenger to run into them just flying around and also why UFOs directly hunting the Avenger have to try to find it.

>>182870216
Councilman is alive, voice actor has confirmed this in a youtube comment. Don't have the related image though.

>>182870653
Voice actors aren't always the best source of information. They usually know less than the writers and might get stuff wrong.

How do I know if the mods are active? I'm having trouble with the mod launcher provided in the pastebin.

>>182857847
Skirmishers. Cool aesthetics, cool voices, cool concept/lore, and I like the idea of just a hardy frontline rifleman.

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>>182860426
>Buildable XCOM Spectres never
>Buildable MRVN engineers never

SPARKS are cool but I want to go full Techno Union and just crank out frontline infantry bots.

>>182869151
Well, also remember that UFOs (and the Avenger is an old supply ship) have some kind of stealth that made them an absolute bitch to detect, plus they do seem to use UFOs on Earth in a limited capacity, maybe part of that is the Avenger getting "legit" transponder/IFF codes from the resistance every month and only in the Dark Event of the UFO hunt or the Chosen tracking you down do ADVENT dedicate themselves to figuring out what isn't legitimate.

Plus, the majority of the time the Avenger is grounded away from Advents zone of control

>>182873220
titan fall weapons when

>>182864941
>ADVENT have neck covers in the concept are
>They don't ingame

JAAAAAAKE

Shit, why haven't any modders done this yet?

>>182873634
Probably the same reason that they didn't go through with it. It's hard to actually make look good without massive clipping.

>soldier from character pool dies
>rename random rookie
>hit load from character pool
You shall be avenged Peter "The General" Van Doorn.

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>77 posts
>no CHAMPION posting
If only you knew the truth, miscreants.

>>182874731
he looks dumb

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>>182874859
Restrain yourself, lest you be restrained.

>>182874731
>forcing shit is so fun, I learned it from imgur!

>>182873220
There's a mod that lets you build Reaper units from COD: IW but it requires some character pool fuckery to set up.

>>182874984
I'm sorry his delivery of that line was just perfect.

>>182875667
Remember... we will be watching

>>182874979
he looks like a dumb old metalhead

>>182875910
Your previous directive to preserve all human life has been, rescinded.

>>182876160
Councilman will always have the best voice in all XCOM

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>>182876096
Nobody cares honey bunch

>>182876361
umm sorry sweetie but nobody likes some dumb old fart

Do you think the assassin likes back rubs

>>182876558
i think the assassin likes black nubians

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NO HE CAN'T DIE REEE

>>182857847
Templar. Though between the two I'd pick Skirmisher

>>182867741
It's been outright stated by the Firaxis devs on reddit. All Skirmishers have the same face, the head options simply give them different scarring patterns. The only face differences are between genders.

>>182876637
Iwant to corrupt the assassin

>>182876652
I understand, but ackshully, clones are not necessarily identical in appearance but it was everyone thinks.

>>182866678
We see in the game proper their faces aren't grafted on. The implication is that the process to become a Skirmisher and remove your mind control chip involves removing your face and bolting it back on after the chip's out, which is why Bradford calls it a brutal procedure in the skirmisher trailer.

Wait, skirmishers are ADVENT clones?

what

>>182876808
lol are you dense? It's been in their description from the start, they're ADVENT soldiers who had their chips removed in a brutal procedure, becoming free.

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>>182876808

>>182876808
The important thing is, can they be impregnated?

>>182877201
>>182877014
>>182877118
I was trying to not spoil myself with WotC stuff, but thanks.

This is what the spoiler tag is for, not for your funny memes you know

>>182877201
Considering the Elders have a hateboner for the concept of intercourse-based reproduction to begin with, it's doubtful they have the means to do so in their bodies. No use in creating organs that will never see use, after all.

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So, what happens to the enemy VIPs after you capture and interrogate them?

>>182877286
The fuck you in the /xcg/ then? People are obviously gonna talk about the trailers unspoiled.

>>182877387
they get tied up in the male living quarters to be raped and impregnated if they're female

they get killed if they're male

>>182877286

Literally stop reading the thread now and come back after WOTC is out then. Don't even read the official tweets or watch the videos either because there's major spoilers.

>>182877014

>chips are supposed to enhance combat experience
>remove chips
>become stone cold killas

so advent soldiers with chips are like pc with lots of malaware?

>>182877387
They get a free skyranger ride

>>182877387
Drop them in Abandoned Cities to see how long it takes for the Lost to eat them, you know, for a laff.

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>>182877463
>>182877509
>hurr durr we're retarded so you shouldn't browse /xcg/

>>182877014
if the chip is supposed to make you not want to remove the chip how can they remove the chip?

>>182877659

by randomly walking and accidentaly the whole chip

>>182877535
Free will is a dangerous yet sturdy force, one that terrifies the Elders. Given the chance to act on their own, even the lowest freed trooper becomes a badass skirmisher.

>>182877659
Bradford says they somehow found a way - so I'm guessing that Betos' chip was damaged in an accident or something and she discovered the meaning of freedom, bringing it to other ADVENT clone,s potentially forcibly.

>>182877659
you tie them down and rip the chip from their necks, I suppose

>>182877286
>Caring about spoilers in a strategy game.
lol

>>182877657

It is my genuine suggestion to you. These threads will not be spoiler free ever and as time progresses even more major spoilers will be posted. Your experience will be ruined if you continue to read these threads.

how do i kill glitch bitch

>>182877774
That's funny, because that is exactly the backstory to one of my ADVENT defector troopers in my character pool.

Her chip was damaged in a firefight with the resistance (not XCOM) and they captured her intending to hand her off to XCOM for autopsy.

>>182878178
you only get one shot
do not miss

>>182878178
shoot her

>>182878178
Protip: To defeat the Codex, shoot at it until it dies.

>>182877774
And on an interesting note, from Mox's introduction, where he shoves his ripjack into the Purifier's chin, it appears the ripjack can act as a poor man's skulljack for Skirmishers to interface with the psionic network, as his eyes go twitchy (and glow a lot more) and his voice takes on a different timbre whilst he discerns the purpose of the Purifiers being in the area, working out that Advent doesn't know about the meeting.

>finally research mag weapons in long cock 2
>it's not a squad upgrade
>i need to build each mag rifle

magnificient

>>182869164

Not sure why it shows up, but it's set that all the prices can be configured in the .ini, so the things it doesn't need are just set at 0. I guess that's why.

>India hits max panic after their satellite is shot down
>Get a satellite underway to replace it
>Canada gets a terror attack, proceeds to max out their panic aswell
>End up giving the satellite meant for India to them since they pay better

It's almost October now. I'm guessing India is beyond saving.

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newfag here
I noticed my sharpshooter sometimes isn't gaining hp like the rest of them when they level, is this natural or am I somehow getting cheated out of total hp?

>>182870216

He snaked his way out of the angry mob

all slithery n shit like that

>>182879526
First of all, game?

Second, it's probably normal. HP rolls are not guaranteed in X2, so you only have a chance to get a hit point.

>>182879548
That's not the Councilman.

>>182858927
well, i think jake is angling for apocalypse

so an underclass like all the hybrids in apocalypse

>>182879858

Councilman is secretly a slippery snake too

duh

>>182880380
>well, i think jake is angling for apocalypse
Probably not. That's what I thought too, but WOTC's big cutscene implies the dark force will be behind the TFTD enemies, instead of them being an offshoot of the main alien invasion.


I won't lose much sleep over it anyway since Apocalypse's enemies were crap.

>>182880495
you will NOT talk shit about the real hero of XCOM

>>182880598
I would bet more that the light at the core of the earth is going to start sending in portals like Apocalypse.

>>182880598
Yeah, but Skirmishers also tie pretty well to Apoc

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>>182878792

>>182880729
Except that light's at the bottom of the ocean, not the core of the earth.

>>182880746
This is true, but I'm pretty sure that homage is already happening with WOTC alone, given the futuristic nature of XCOM 2 combined with the return of factions to interact with.

I'd like to fuck vahlen if you know what I mean *wink* *wink*

>>182881352
she is my wife

>>182879763
thanks i'll keep that in mind from now on

>>182881414

are you king snek?

>>182880495
Is that his official name? I always called him the Chairman, as in Chairman of the Council of Nations. It seemed like he was the overall head of the council.

I haet snakes!!!

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>>182881743
King Snek not into females

>>182882067

is that solid snek?

>>182882041
Some call him "spokesman" because he speaks for the council.

>>182882067
>Xcom's struggling to make an income to the point where they have to make a serious decision if they can afford to buy that advanced scope on the black market
>Meanwhile Vahlen is buying silk scarves and holographic crowns for her favorite snake son

>>182882439

maybe she managing the female sneks so they earn some cash on the side (if you know what I mean )

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>>182881352
Vahlen has some interesting ideas for you bby.

>>182881143
emanating from a crack in the earth

>>182882928
In a blatant tease for Terror From the Deep, because there'd be literally no other reason to set it and the final mission in the ocean. It helps that everyone WANTED to see a TFTD followup to even EU, meanwhile nobody's ever really called for Apocalypse to come back since it's the ugly shame of the fanbase - you know, aside from enforcer.

>>182883284
jake hates TFTD, anon

>>182882716
I wonder how long it took for the command and the engineers to figure out what Vahlen new invention really was.

>>182883435
jakes a joke

>>182883435
Doesn't change that there's far more evidence it's what awaits us and not Apocalypse, especially since XCOM2 already covered apocalypse's unique aesthetic with the city centers.

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Wow, what a... distinct, and... unique... design... yeah...

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>>182882067

>>182884169
>underwater xcom

underwater sewer-themed timed escort mission XCOM when?

>>182884378
Even if they're pretty generic, the TFTD enemies look better than the claw balls that apoclaypse brought to the table. That thing looks like a monster of the week from ultraman or some shit.

>>182884708
I meant to quote the TFTD posts.

Honestly nothing makes me care less for a game than underwater levels.
FUCK underwater levels.

>>182877201
Yes because this is how we will get XCOM: Apocalypse.

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>>182883609
>Shen while creating a 3D model of it for production.

Am I the only one who thinks the next game will be neither and apocalypse or TFTD remake since XCOM 2 has already proven that Firaxis is gunning more for creating new games rather than redoing past ones.

>>182878178
Flashbangs and bluescreen rounds.

>>182885421
How can a flash of light disorient a goddamn program?

>>182885390
This. I think there may be elements of either but I really doubt it's going to be either a reskin of the XCOM;EU formula for TFTD or the lame mega-city thing from Apoc. I could also see the series eventually going interstellar with the new direction - that way they could make new environments without having to go into water hell.

>>182883284
>meanwhile nobody's ever really called for Apocalypse to come back
Lies and Slander

>>182885596
>interstellar

please no
i fucking hate space, worst meme in videogames

>>182882651
>Underground Viper Brothels

>>182885495
Codexes are apparently aliens/living organisms, not machines, according to the autopsy report.

>>182884779
Actually the underwater portion of TFTD are great (which I did not expect). Too bad you spend the entire game on shipping/cruise ships.

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>>182885707
>No space
>In game series with space aliens
>Preferring a game that would basically just be endless city center/slums district missions with extradimensional buildings now and then

>>182885974
Space aliens are fine as long as they're on Earth.

As soon as a game goes into space, the game becomes shit.
Tell me 1 (one) (uno) (I) game set in space that isn't ridiculous shit.

Also there are tons of more enviroments on Earth but devs are too fucking lazy
>deserts
>tundras
>mountains
>swamps
>too much work lads let's just go to space, paint everything black or brown and be done with it.

>>182886253
The idea was that you'd be going to different planets, and that'd be a way to get multiple varied environments. An XCOM game entirely in space would be pure garbage.

And I was refuting the desire for the next XCOM to literally just be Apocalypse, which only takes place in one huge city.

>>182886253
Civ Beyond Earth
the best game set in space

>>182886561
Civ games are a meme.

>>182886489
So you just want cities.
In space.

>>182886253
>ell me 1 (one) (uno) (I) game set in space that isn't ridiculous shit.
Masters of Orion 2. Fantastic game. Don't really know what the point of this is in relation to XCOM though.

>>182886639
>So you just want cities.
No?
>Chryssalid hiveworlds with bio-organic growth like in the upcoming xenoformed wilderness tileset
>Volcanic wastelands
>Alien deserts with strange flora
>Tribal savannah-like areas on the Muton homeworld
>Ominous floating islands in trans-dimensional space
>Gigantic forests with trees so large climbing around on them would be an option
>Crazy, real-world style planets like that one where it's constantly raining molten metal sideways
Taking the series interstellar would allows for tons of crazy locales unlike anything before seen in the series. We're about to run dry on environments for Earth considering old-school cities, the underground, and an alien-tainted creepy forest are being added in WOTC.


That being said, I'd be down for anything that isn't endless cityscapes like apocalypse or shitty underwater spaces like TFTD.

>>182886975
You'd have to wonder how did XCOM grow so big from a shitty resistance group to a literal interstellar empire.
Unless they go "dude alternate reality lmao".

I get what you're saying but honestly I'd much rather replicate those in here.
>volcanos
>jungles
>deserts
>savannah
Those other things you mentioned (gigant forest, floating islands, crazy wacky worlds) are just too ridiculous for my liking.

There's so much more in Earth yet devs always reharsh the same shit
>city
>forest

>>182887249
>There's so much more in Earth yet devs always reharsh the same shit
Not sure what these random "devs" have to do with the discussion. How does this relate to x-com/XCOM's use of environments?

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>>182887249
...I mean no matter what it's going to get that wacky. XCOM has always been a wacky series, and it's going to stay that way, especially now that the at least partially grounded Elders' empire is on the way out in favor of Yog-Sothoth and the Elder Gods or some shit.

>>182887525
XCOM was made by devs
developers

>>182887714
Your talking about random devs not taking advantage of earth's different bioms, but what does that have to do with XCOM devs who do take advantage of different bioms?

Post yfw you field a squad of six Skirmishers with Battlelord.

>>182887705
There's a difference between "Elder Gods/ancient Aliens that crashed on earth during the Hadean and alien Empire"-wacky and "dude lol crazy orange lasers and soldiers wearing epic funny rage comic masks and hats"-Sims 4 tier-wacky

>>182887249
>interstellar empire
Not necessarily - they could go for the route where it's small expeditions instead of outright interstellar campaigning, after all, no matter what you do the XCOM series is always going to be about small-ish squads as opposed to whole military battles, so them exploring the cosmos on a single expeditionary ship avenger-style would make sense. Hell, the first interstellar space program would be idiotic to NOT bring weapons and the means to adapt to threats after everything Earth's went through.

>>182887854
>XCOM devs who do take advantage of different bioms?
No they don't

>>182888168
But they do

>>182888007
>dude lol crazy orange lasers and soldiers wearing epic funny rage comic masks and hats
Anon... the mere existence of all the silly shit coming the DLC (arm-blade space knights, anyone?) means that you're going to be disappointed. Maybe you should shift your focus to that new game Gollop is making if XCOM's natural style is upsetting you. We already know the cosmic threat destroyed the Elders' homeworld, so it didn't just crash on earth in the hadean era.

>>182888168

Do you just want environmental tactical effects or something? Because you do see a ton of different climates in XCOM2.

>>182888235
Why can't I fight the ayys inside the caves near an active volcano, or wallow through swamp waters to fight ayys, or fight ayys inside a glacier?

>>182888268
I'm hoping Firaxis does the right

>>182888451
Barely. You see "urban city", "ADVENT base", "grassland resistance shantytown", "grassland resistance shantytown painted yellow" and "grassland resistance shantytown painted white"

>>182888626
>Snow doesn't count it's just "painted white"
>deserts don't count it's just "painted yellow"
>fuck forests too, those don't count
ok dude

>Why can't I fight the ayys inside the caves near an active volcano
Because you fight them inside Ice Caves instead? And why the fuck would there be regular missions in volcanoes?

I just honestly pin down what you want. You are ranting about not wanting ridiculous shit, while saying you want to go and fight the ayy menace in volcanoes.

>>182888626
>I'm hoping Firaxis does the right
You already know that's not going to happen, they're been going for goofy pulpiness and silly shit ever since EU came out. If you really need proof of this look at the original XCOM FPS announcement, where they replaced the silly aliens of the previous games with freaky geometric forces kinda reminiscent of NGE angels, only to immediately shift back into pulp sci fi for EU after the overwhelming negative response - to the point even the Bureau, which was going to be what remained from that FPS, shifted to classic sci-fi as well.


This franchise really isn't for you if you can't ignore the story/environ in favor of mechanics and also can't stand it being silly, purposefully cliche Sci-Fi.

>>182888626
Everything about XCOM is governed by the rule of cool. If this upsets you that much, you should just ignore the game story and world completely and focus on the mechanics. You will ltierally never, ever get what you want.

>>182889094
gee sorry I didn't know snowlands/deserts were exactly like forests painted white
maybe go get an ecology class my dude

>>182889172
Classic sci-fi is fine.
Retarded sci-fi isn't.

>>182889353
>Everything about XCOM is governed by the rule of cool
Rule of cool isn't rule of goofy wacky stuff.

>>182889094
>And why the fuck would there be regular missions in volcanoes?

It would be pretty cool if the aliens put an energy or science facility inside a volcano. Maybe not for generic missions though.

Now we have people whining about the devs not having missions in volcanoes and icebergs and the La Brea Tar Pits and at the same time whining about not liking "weird places".

No fandom in the history of mankind knows what it wants and will be hypocritical for the sake of it while still demanding things then complaining when they get them.

>>182889659
>Rule of cool isn't rule of goofy wacky stuff.
Then the rule of goofy, wacky stuff is staying, because there's legitimately nothing to indicate they're shifting from this style whatsoever. Already discounting how complaints about the story/world are microscopic among the general criticism of the franchise as opposed to criticism of the mechanical aspect, complaining about the goofy stuff isn't part of even the majority of those. Firaxis has literally no reason to suddenly change it since you, overall, have one of the smallest viewpoints in the entire consumer base for the franchise, and nothing's suggested Jake is getting kicked out of the series director chair at all.


Just let it go, dude.

>>182890119
Yeah pretty much this. The arguments are inconsistent as hell.

>>182890119
>>182890337
Anon this might come as a massive surprise to you, I know, but I'm going to drop it on you, because you need it. You might suffer but you need it
I hope you're ready, here goes nothing

fandoms aren't hiveminds and people have different opinions

>>182886253
Homeworld

>>182890326
But XCOM isn't ruled by goofiness yet.
I don't see how aliens kidnapping humans and liquifying them and turning them into hybrid clones is "goofy"

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>>182890392
>fandoms aren't hiveminds and people have different opinions
I expect a single person to be able to present a consistent argument that does not contradict itself. I know, so very unreasonable of me.

>>182890119
Lurker here. I'm kind of in the middle ground of this argument. Just because I may want to fight in a swamp or on a mountain doesn't mean I want to fight kooky alien space clowns on a purple jell-o planet in space. I like the balance that XCOM has right now between realism and rule of cool, but I wouldn't mind a little extra spice.

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>>182874731
But bitch is better

>>182890727
volcanic caves and glaciers exist and are rather common
"floating islands" and "sideways molten metal rain" don't, and honestly both sound like the ideas that an 11 year old would come up with

there, difference between ridiculous and not ridiculous

>>182890941
why do you keep posting this picture
she looks awful, her proportions are all fucked up

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>>182890651
Have you not been paying attention to the War of the Chosen videos, dude? The series isn't going backward in goofiness and over the top plots, what with the reveal of space knights with mind-powered arm blades, big temples complete with purple braziers, The Warlock summoning exploding ghosts while also implying Psionics causes an AFTERLIFE to exist, a super alien ninja who can turn invisible, summon a tidal wave of psionic energy with her mind, and more. The series is quickly shifting into stylization overdrive.

>>182891268
I know, which is why I don't like the WotC videos, and I think Firaxis is doing the wrong thing.
I like this series. I'm not liking where it's going. I don't care whether I'm the majority or the minority.

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>>182891186
I wanna XCUM inside her.

>>182891429
I don't like it that much myself, but I at least recognize Firaxis really doesn't have any excuse to change it since story and setting is pretty much meaningless in XCOM - they make it for the gameplay and the money that the gameplay draws in.

I'm kind of sad to see it go this way, but I don't think there's legitimately any reason why it'd stop. The mechanics at least look up to snuff - so far, when the product is actually released they could turn out a dumpster fire.

>>182891547
Ability to acquire an alien harem when?

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>X-COM has at any point been a "serious" franchise

>I wanna fight in volcanoes and glaciers
Literally the mind of a 12 year old

>>182891987

Ignore EW babies.

>>182892082
>i wanna fight in wacky alien cities with floating islands XD and have my soldiers dress up as rainbows and one wearing compeltely AMERICAN colours XDD so funny
literally the mind of a 12 year old

>>182890996
It's only "ridiculous" because we're used to Earth and what it has. If Earth had floating islands and bubbling purple goop swamps we'd find that normal and see places without those as ridiculous.

Also, alien worlds, where anything is possible.

>>182892129
EW was pretty fantasy too.

I really don't get what's so fantastical about WotC anyway. I mean the Warlock/Templars have psionic abilities but that's nothing new.

>>182892392
>Also, alien worlds, where anything is possible.
This. I can't wait to see how autistic this dude gets when we get a proper look at the xenoformed wilderness tileset in WOTC.

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>>182892347
>person 1 uses actual examples of what has been said
>person 2 builds a strawman statement that no one has said

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>>182892392
>>182892547
>Also, alien worlds, where anything is possible.
Woah, didn't know alien worlds didn't obey the laws of physics.

Really made me think desu senpai

>>182892585
This your first day on 4chan? That's the most common style of counter-argument here.

>>182892528
>I really don't get what's so fantastical about WotC anyway. I mean the Warlock/Templars have psionic abilities but that's nothing new.
They're sad because it's confirming that psionics can basically do anything instead of it being basic "mind power."

...You know, despite the fact that the volunteer literally had enough psi strength to lift + explode a colossal spaceship and survive.

>>182892347
>implying I'm that anon

>>182892585
>>182886975

>>182892585
But he said that.
Floating islands and "sideways molten metal rain"

That's a 12 year old mind at work.

>>182892820
https://www.space.com/22614-blue-alien-planet-glass-rain.html

>>182892720
I was under the impression the volunteer just took the wheel or something

>>182886561
Are you 4reel? BE was pure untampered garbage. Alpha Centauri is miles better

>>182892936
Not quite. His psionic power was necessary for it, he got psychic visions of the world being consumed, and it was confirmed he survived, transported to some other dimension, by jake.

>>182892720
He also tore open a portal in time, where Ethereal's evils are law.

Now the fool seeks to return to the past and undo the future that is Ethereal.

>>182892683
Just pointing it out, not implying I have made a discovery.

>>182892720
>you know, despite the fact that the volunteer literally had enough psi strength to lift + explode a colossal spaceship and survive.
You know he's not lifting with his mind right? He's just interacting with the controls. At least I'm pretty certain.


>>182892775
>>182892820
Oh yeah my bad. Though you probably should include the
> trans-dimensional space
part

>>182892910
>metal = glass
>sideways

yeah, nah, fuck you

Is getting suicide bombed by sectoids in OG XCOM a regular occurrence? I just lost four rookies at the UFO door to Ayylahu Akbar.

>>182892653
So do you not have any ability at all to suspend your disbelief when experiencing a work of fiction? If even the slightest thing that isn't 100% realistic occurs your mind shuts down and you get upset?

>>182892820
>Floating islands and "sideways molten metal rain"
nigga that shit literally exists: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/its-raining-its-pouring-molten-iron-scientist-create-first-ever-weather-map-of-a-brown-dwarf-9095623.html

>>182893178
Yes

>>182893160
It is sideways though, the windspeed makes it so it moves sideways. Literally read the article you faux-intellectual slime. It's likely whoever posted the molten metal thing was thinking of a brown dwarf, which rains molten metal, but not sideways, as seen here: >>182893281


>>182893128
>trans-dimensional space
Confirmed to exist in the Bureau, plus with the Codex and Outsiders. Sorry mate.

>>182893281
That's a fucking failed star anon

Do you have any idea how hostile an environment that is? There isn't even a surface

>>182893128
Ah yes, "transdimensional", the fancy word for "I'll just do whatever the fuck my ass pleases and I'll have a reasonable explanation for it".
Excuse me if I don't have faith in the creativity of a game developer. They've never been good at creating actual worlds.

>>182893256
I can, in fact it comes very easily to me.
But when the writer asks me to believe things that would conflict with reality itself, like "raining molten metal", I just can't find it believeable anymore and my immersion shuts down.

>>182893281
>planet = star
holy fuck you people

>>182893281
In venus it rains sulphuric acid :^)

>>182886253
Dead space

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How can we wait 6 weeks? How??

As hyped as I am for this expansion I can't help but feel a pang of apprehension also. I was about as hyped for vanilla X2's release but I had so many problems at launch. Initially it wouldn't start at all, my profile would go green after the launcher then just go back to blue and never go any further. Eventually it got shadow fixed by a patch and I could play, but I've never felt so let down by a game. My concern is whether WOTC would truly have its performance problems sorted out or whether I'll run into similar issues at launch again. But I'm still going to preorder because I'm the truest goyim.

That said, I really hope my favourite cosmetic mods can be brought over easily like Symmetrical Kevlar Arms and Capn Bub's Accessories Pack (considering he's gone fucking AWOL since joining Pavonis) so I can keep my character pool looking consistent with how I designed them

Does anyone know if Pavonis are ever going to update the Long War Perk Pack to reflect the version in LW2? I also hope that makes it across to WOTC since I don't look forward to having two perk trees again, unless there's been a new development I'm unaware of

>>182893520
Don't forget psi gate

>>182893657
Also it's 92 atmospheres of pressure and 95% CO2

>Come back after getting a bite to eat
>It's a "anons with nothing better to do argue about realism in a game series that only exists as an excuse to blast some aliens with some guns" thread
Well, see you guys in an hour or two, I suppose.

>>182893843
safer than a brown dwarf

>>182893869
This is what we become when there's nothing to actually do/talk about. 6 weeks can't pass any faster.

>>182893938
No argument there I'm just saying.

Two things can be true at once.

>>182893869
>realism has nothing to do because the game is about blasting aliens with guns

jake please remove the cover system, cover is realistic and realism has nothing to do with a game about blasting aliens with guns
also please remove the money system, money is realistic and realism has nothing to do with a game about blasting aliens with guns
and also the whole "time" thing, time is realistic and realism has nothing to do with a game about blasting aliens with guns
also why can't my soldiers one-shoot aliens all the time? Health is realistic and realism has nothing to do with a game about blasting aliens with guns

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>>182894091
>Being this butt-blasted

>>182894091
I've seen children make better arguments than this. Try again.

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>>182891802

>>182894259
>i said something retarded
>b-better call him buttblasted and post an anime picture
why don't you go back to your mmorpg generals

>>182894321
sorry i'm making too much sense

>>182894091
Those are all gameplay features, mate. I don't see how some silly alien stuff in a game will immediately make its mechanics crumple in on itself.

>>182893584
So no, you don't have that ability. I pity you. It would be fun watching you play Mario or Sonic, though, watching you flip your shit at the midair directional changes and things.

>>182894404
See the funny part is you're not making sense. Those gameplay mechanics are not at all realistic.

>>182894091
I don't see how floating islands affect gameplay at all?

>>182894613
>>182894530
Lads, you're arguing with autism, just let it burn itself out and stop feeding it.

>>182894413
>>182894530
>>182894613
Right, your non-realistic mechanics are fine, but mine are wrong
ok, cool, great arguments

>>182894483
>It would be fun watching you play Mario or Sonic, though
I have a different mindset when I play children games, though

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>>182894678
True, shifting topics.


What're your favorite 90s-era alien designs? I really like the classic Ethereal, it's pretty effective in its simplicity.

>>182894091
>flailing around this hard

>>182894404
You're not, though, you're going "WELL ONE THING IS FANTASYISH BETTER REMOVE ALL THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE!" which is retarded.

>>182894713
Hiding behind cover is a bit different from a location being set on a floating island, retard.

>children's game

I don't see XCom being gritty and realistic and mature for mature audiences, especially with the silly-looking aliens.

>>182894892

The ethereal in the end cinematic is goofy as fuck, it's just a tall sectoid in a robe

>>182894356
Now we just need Vhalen in a pimp outfit surrounded by Viper pole dancers.

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>>182895049
Well yeah, you can see that on the autopsy screen too. Doesn't change the simple shroud is rather cool.

>>182893128
Eh, no worries anon. I think both sides of this argument are massively retarded. One side wants hyper-realism with no cool stuff, while the other want "lmao so wack and CRAZY randumb XD" shit like Soldiers shooting flaming acid from their asshole. They should just leave XCOM how it is now.

>>182894974
Fantasy-ish is fine.
Again, floating islands, molten rain, and other retarded thigns aren't "fantasy-ish", they're retarded, plain and simple.
If you're going to implement retarded things like that, might go all the retard way and do away with everything that makes sense.

>Hiding behind cover is a bit different from a location being set on a floating island, retard.
Yes, one makes sense, the other is completely fucking retarded.

>I don't see XCom being gritty and realistic and mature for mature audiences, especially with the silly-looking aliens.
You're right, it's exactly on the same level as a game about funny looking characters racing in a cartoon world.

>>182894974
>You're not, though, you're going "WELL ONE THING IS FANTASYISH BETTER REMOVE ALL THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE!" which is retarded.
In my experience the majority of hard sci fi fans are like this. Just let him burn himself out or give up.

>>182895295
>while the other want "lmao so wack and CRAZY randumb XD" shit like Soldiers shooting flaming acid from their asshole
I don't think anyone wants that desu

>>182895295
>One side wants hyper-realism with no cool stuff
No, I like cool stuff.
I like plasma casters and miniguns and shoulder mounted missiles and beating giant aliens to death with robots. I like silly aliens and psi-shit. I don't want XCOM to turn into some realistic alien invasion simulator.

But dude whack lmao crazy shit just bothers me.

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>>182895295
>"lmao so wack and CRAZY randumb XD"
I'm glad we're all in agreement that Gordon Freeman shits out acid at speeds of 100mph 24/7, it's been ages for people to finally recognize this fact.

>>182895353
I don't get it. I love hard sci fi but I also love xcom.

Why can't someone like both?

>>182895687
It's fine, it's fine.

The trouble the series isn't for you.

>>182895687
That's completely fine! It's just the series was not made for hard sci-fi fans and never will be.

>>182896040
>>182895892
Allow me to clarify, I am not the anon in question.

I was just asking why someone would think it's a question of one or the other.

>>182896283
Well, some hard sci-fi fans get extremely ornery when any sci-fi series dips into the realms of fantasy or implausibility. I think that's what the anon you were replying to meant, since he didn't say "all" hard sci-fi fans were like that, he simply sees th emajority that way.

>>182895687

I'd love a reimagining of EU with the original X-COM's aesthetic

>>182895443
I don't know. I saw a few anon acting like XCOM is always supposed to be some super crazy partyhouse.
>>182895568
Well when you voice it like that, that sounds pretty reasonable, no?
>>182895669
How exactly did you think he moves as fast as he does? Anybody who didn't know what is a jokester.

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>Major Cutie
Was this intentional?

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>>182896656
>I don't know. I saw a few anon acting like XCOM is always supposed to be some super crazy partyhouse.
Do you refer to >>182888268 and >>182891268 ? I wasn't saying that I think it should always be a super-crazy partyhouse, I was simply saying that in my jaded view that it's probably going to keep shifting that way, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem, since the heart of the series is the mechanics, not the story-excuses for them. Still a bit sad about how borderline-anime everything's getting though.

>>182896757
Archons look really cool imo

>>182896656
I never meant to say anything that wasn't that.
I like implausible things when they look cool. I like MECs, even though they should be complete shit compared to SHIVs. I like mindmagic and stuff like that.

But if you go all the way into pink sky, blue ground, and things that are impossible just for the sake of making the alien worlds feel alien, my suspension of disbelief breaks.
Not to mention WotC feels anime.

I enjoy XCOM, as in both the mechanics and the setting, but the way it's going it seems I'll only be able to enjoy the mechanics in the near future.

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>>182896906
HUMAN X SNEK
HETEROSEXUAL LOVE ADVENTURE

>>182897201
>I enjoy XCOM, as in both the mechanics and the setting, but the way it's going it seems I'll only be able to enjoy the mechanics in the near future.
Mechanics are all that matter anyways. You're completely justified in feeling that way, honestly, but it's probably not something you want to voice here because every time it'll just result in an argument incapable of going anywhere because both sides believes their position to be objectively correct, unless you're a masochist who enjoys arguing, as I often am.

>>182897417
>>182896906
>People STILL masturbating to disgusting snake monsters when pure Skirmisher waifus exist

Remember, collaborators will be shot along with the aliens.

>>182897524
I enjoy calling people retarded I guess.
Setting does matter, if this game was about paintball I wouldn't enjoy it as much.

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>>182897417
>Giving her a generic head instead of keeping how vaguely freaky their faces are in the game.
No taste.

>>182897030
>>182897201
>anime
You know, maybe this isn't a good time to bring this up, but if you ask Jake where he is getting his inspiration for stuff, he's going to answer movies and other games.
Like I know people are paranoid about "anime," but all this stuff is just extremely common tv/movie tropes at the end of the day. The only truly "anime" part is the DBZ hair + fight.

>>182895337
The islands are floating because of psionic power

>It's going to be another week before they reveal the Templars
>Tuesdays reveal is going to be the Hunter
Why is the most interesting faction saved for last? Nobody gave a fuck about the Reapers so they were the first.

>>182897938
whose psionic power
what do they get by making them float
why do they spend psionic power on making them float

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>>182897762
>B-but the Assassin is egotistical, honor-focused has a Katana and can do crazy shit with it! Must be anime!

>>182897762
And even then I'd argue that comic books have been doing the exact same things, it is hardly anime.

>>182898025
Ethereals
Aesthetics.
Making XCOM awe in the face of the fact that they are powerful enough to raise the earth with just their minds

>>182898019
>Nobody gave a fuck about the Reapers
Patently false

>>182897584
If by "collaborator" you mean "Dude that kidnaps and then ties down Vipers in order to rape for weeks", then yes.

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>>182898053
>B-but the Warlock's psychic powers are crazy strong and weird, must be anime!

>>182898053
>brothers that fight amongst themselves
>one is edgy as fuck
>the other is loyal to a fault
>the other is honourable katana pssht nothing personnel kid
>3 factions that are super powerful
>they hate each other
literal anime 101

>>182898115
so what, it's like
>hey john holy shit xcom is coming
>oh, well, uh, raise the ground
>what
>yeah make shit float, this will surely intimidate them, even though they kicked our asses out of their planet and are coming for us now

>>182898239
I guess real life is an anime too

>>182898239
>literal anime 101
Ironically, only someone who has only watched anime could possibly believe this. So I'll just assume this is bait.

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>>182898237
>B-but the Hunter can do insane gun tricks that shouldn't be possible! Must be anime!

>>182898454
The Matrix is literally american live action anime though.

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>>182898454
>B-but the Templars obviously have an anachronistic culture vibe going and have energy swords! Must be anime!

>>182898592
>Matrix
Literally in the filename, anon.

newsflash, western anime shit is a thing
something being "anime" does not mean "from japan", it's a state, it's a set of characteristics that make something "anime"

>>182898395
>>182898408

The anime aspect is how superspecial they are.

so will WOTC do anything to prevent the endgame from being a fucking joke?

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>>182898858
>>182898924
>all things are anime
Fools we were from trying to run from it!

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>>182898053
You used the wrong pic, anon. Or maybe both?

>>182899010
'Boss' enemies like Sectopods and Gatekeepers are apparently getting more HP, but given that we're also getting more powerful toys to throw at them, I imagine things will about even out to how they are now.

>>182899105
Oh wow, she even has the dreadlocks and honor fetish, too.

>>182899010

I imagine it will make things even easier with the bond system, the supersoldiers, the superweapons you get from the chosen, and the base OP shit like the Ruler armor.

>>182899282
She also gets a mask while her brothers get ornate helmets. Literally blatant. The only reason she doesn't have a ripjack instead of a katana is because that'd be copyright infringement.

Why am I only seeing the Reapers and Skirmishers now? Did the Psychic faction get cut?

>>182899309
Apparently lategame enemies are getting severely buffed, but given all our new toys I also bet it won't get much harder either. The Chosen can shake things up with how they can become immune to the meta via their strengths, but alas, you can permanently kill them. I bet all of us will eventually get to a point we let them live so they add to the challenge as the game goes on.

>>182899113
I actually expect them to be even more of a push over. A Reaper with a maxed out vector rifle with some breakthroughs to increase it's damage, with a superior expanded magazine can dump 6 shots into one of those in a single action. With Bluescreen rounds, that is going to be insane damage.

If any alien deserves a buff, it's the archon. Needs armor and more health, other wise they are just way too easy to deal with.

>>182899529
Templars are just a later thing, requires Sargent rank to start their story missions. We will see them next month in the lead up to release.

>>182899529
The fuck u talkin about? They still on the website, they're just being hidden because they're intriguing.

>>182899814
>Templars are just a later thing, requires Sargent rank to start their story missions
Source?

>>182899627
Having it so that they appear on the final mission and you have to fight them all at once will certainly be amazing. I can't wait to see how that entire thing plays out. Which do you think will be the priority target most of the time?

>>182899882
Some german youtuber put up vids and showed the covert actions screen, they were one of the missions you could take.

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>>182899882
This pic. At least it's gated behind a soldier rank and not the actual psionics tech.

>>182900040
>>182900039
That's lame.
I suppose that confirms they have to be the strongest faction though, right?

>>182900208
In theory.

Reaper stealth seems broken af though.

>>182899882
Watch a few videos, ChristopherOdd clicks over it but that annoying as fuck German guy from the last thread looks at the window in greater detail

They're not cutting something they literally showed in the trailer for something coming out in two months, they're just not showing off the Templars yet.

>>182900208
I mean Sergeant is only the third rank. This one also takes place after the Lost & Abandoned mission, so it's possible that the other two need a sergant rank soldier to recruit them normally, WITHOUT that mission enabled. They might honestly be kind of weak AT FIRST, since the only have melee and an automatic pistol, but they have the bonus of being able to move again after a melee attack no matter what.

>>182900435
>I mean Sergeant is only the third rank.
Oh yeah, kind of forgot it's not that high of a rank. Never mind then.

>>182897762
>>182898053
>>182898237
>>182898239
>>182898395
>>182898408

Avatars are basically Stand Users

>>182900208
I think they will, but they have a large ramp up time. So while they are gathering Focus, they won't be doing much, but once you have it, they will just decimate everything. Reaper seem very burst and done, with various abilities that allow them to remain as your scout while still contributing, but outside of that seem kind of underwhelming. While Skirmishers seem like reliable DPS that just get better when faced with a larger group, only held back by their ammo.

Having one of each for the final mission will probably be one of the best feelings in the game, but very hard to get all of them to max.

>>182900435
>Getting two factions right from week 2
Don't like it desu. Gonna def. play without Lost & Abandoned for a full experience. Mox and Elena are cool but not that cool.

>>182900834
Remote Start allows Reapers to detonate explodable things for double damage and double radius.

Sting is an ability that allows them to empty every bullet in their magazine at a single target for increased damage, scaled by how many are left. So probably increases with extended mags.

Reapers are going to p. terrifying desu.

Do you guys think the volunteer is going to come back?

And use the save file from xcom 1 to get the volunteer you used?

>>182901325
>come back
Volunteer never existed

>>182901150
Did you not look at the gameplay video? You lose Mox during the mission so you only get Elena.

>>182901325
Not in War of the Chosen.

>>182901385
You get a mission to rescue him immediately after desu, german guy filmed it.

>>182901245
That is why I said they are a burst and done. Remote Start is amazing, but situational, not good for things like the final mission where there might not even be explosives. Sting is incredible, but you can bet it will have a long cooldown.

Reapers will be at their best when you have missions where you can take your time, or have lots of explosives or people that can make use of their claymore effectively. Heavy offensive missions they would pretty much just be your scout.

But that's pretty much what I had the Rogue class for and he was stupid powerful with even an SMG. Fucking 20 damage crits, I swear to god that class was broken.

>>182901325
It will turn out the Templars were taught Psionics from the Volunteer, who appeared from a Psionic gateway. He took the name Geist because he shouldn't exist in this timeline and wants to return to his own.

>>182897759
the only freaky thing about them is the massive chin

>>182901938
I wouldn't be so sure it's that benign. One of the logo picks for the Templars has a tentacled monster front-and-center.