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>>182595238
Previous Pantokrator: >>182279989

First for fall bears.

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>>182565598
looks to me like somebody expanded in a straight line with a party of giants

Why does R'lyeh have consistently the highest win rate among UW nations? Is this why they won the UWbowl for LA?

>>182595981
they're the most likely to get somebody to stale and then ai

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>>182571621
Reminder to join the AI BOWL.
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AI_Bowl

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>still have no idea how to actually sign up for games

blease elp i wanna play with the magic mens

>>182596464
'Play by email guide' in the OP/pastebin.

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Repeating question from prev. thread: What's the damage from the fire dome and do you get notified if it triggers?

Also how likely is Purgatory to deal damage to each undead unit and how much is the damage?

>>182595238
>tfw you realize banes are just recolored ether lords with the horns cut off.

>>182596170
What does the ai even do well? Can they summon Lanka's undead? do the blood hunt?

>>182596851
Trust the wisdom of the inscrutable asians:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=ja&sp=nmt4&u=http://wikiwiki.jp/dominions4/%3FSpell%252FEnchantment%252FDome%2520of%2520Flaming%2520Death&usg=ALkJrhhnxTnYZyz-sArfDPZA4y8LteyzbA

>>182596565
>manually downloading turn files
holy shit we 1994 in here

>>182597769
'PBEM Manager' in the pastebin.

>>182597196
Holy shit the japs have a nice wiki, i it all like this?

>>182597964
read it all and report back imo

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>TFW the Bane Charms hit just right

>>182597196
>Fire against the magic dome. Unlike other dome, it does not have the function of blocking the ceremony itself, instead it specializes in automatic counter attack function. The use conditions are also moderately loose.
Automatic counter attack is damage defense penetration fire damage. The power is randomly determined every time between 1 and 20. Luck is involved, but if you are not a high HP, you can instantly kill it, and you can expect to leave a battle if not.
Furthermore, at the time of counterattack, there is a possibility that the laboratory used by the counterattack target itself will also cause a fire and destroy. The probability decreases as the Luck balance of the counterattacked state gets higher.
Duration of the dome itself depends on additional jewels consumed. If you do not add one, only one turn will be effective.

amazing
now i wonder how many spell effects involve luck scale and how underrated it really is

>>182571621
>It's just a cybertaur why are you even looking at this.
You tell me. I'm trying to figure out how I can watch my chosen AI. Though running the first 36 turns of a test game is hefty....

>>182596170
why not add an observer nation for every player so that everyone can see how their nation is doing?
the only problem is that they would have to be played by admin for the first 36 turns

>>182601147
I'll upload all Observers turns after 36, so everyone can check and see how badly their AI is doing.

>want to play multiplayer
>just want to durdle and cast fancy spells
I just don't want to get steamrolled by aggressive players ;_;

>>182602875
Play a memegame

Speaking of- http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Latus_Endtimes

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AI_Bowl

NEEDS TWO (2) MORE MEMERS

Memes

>>182602875
>>182604026
I'm up to meme but I'm pretty sure I'd give my AI a truely terrible start

>>182604026
LET THE MEMES
BEGIN.

Alright, favourite maps to play on, go!

If they're not in the base game, provide links for the newblets.

I'll always like Cradle of Dominion. It's got a good size, clear art style, variety of terrain, isn't too big, but is large enough that you can expand to a reasonable degree... Plus the regions with a bonus to magic sites really helps direct searching efforts, rather than having to blanket every area of your land with mages of every stripe and colour.

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>>182607348
We need llamabeast to upload the map manually, it seems. We'll start as soon as he's done that.
Stay tuned.

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>>182610619
Oh, actually not.

>>182610937
>Moatilliata
Found a Malakal.

>>182581245
EA Ur is Pangaea with shitty troops and no blood. Which isn't very good because what makes Pangaea good is excellent sacreds and then extremely buffable Revelers and Ur has neither of that. However, in the end Earth is a really good path so on the other hand it's a workable nation, it's not that you don't have good tactics to try out.

>>182611323
>found a meaglin

I am here to save the world from the Burden of Time. You may express your thanks in advance by sending gold.

>>182611775
I'm not falling for your tricks, Emperor Evil! You're just going to dispel your own BoT by overcasting another BoT.

I've seen through your tricks.

>>182611775
>I don't share a sea with Therodos

ah fuck

>>182612165
Just go ai now?

>>182612268
I can still do it, it's just a bit harder and requires land nations to let me bridge over.

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>t. Malakal

t. Malakal

t. Malakal

Oh, and I'm also going to need a crystal coin at some point (preferably by turn 15, if that's possible)

>>182611407
I did a game as Ur and liked the Nature and Earth magic for the strong buffs and such, but all the troops were shit and expensive so I had nothing to buff

Who would you recommend I try next? I'm think Bangaya :-DDD or Ulm

>>182611775
>Implying I was going to cast burden of time

>>182613707
>be popkill nation
>be UW in your own sea
>not casting BoT

why even bother. Just go AI

>>182611775
Tyranny fan?

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>>182613107
If you like the buff playstyle, MA Pangaea (relative to EA, Panii have better paths as they have higher Earth but don't pay extra for blood, and MA Pan is a capable blood nation in MA terms). LA doesn't have as easily buffable troops (besides Stymphalian situationally: their equipment is of bronze so one Iron Bane later they can actually be very offensive with their 6 attacks per square and initial AoE destroying enemy armour) but they're capable, and in addition to their useful magic being Panii all the way, they also have premier researchers and communion mages in Centaur Sages.

EA Ulm also has decent Earth access and Nature access and their troops also take buffs well so besides EA/MA Pangaea, that would probably be the next best pick for that kind of playstyle.

>>182595924
Uh actually arco apparently doesn't believe in pd so I just used scouts to take all those uncontested.

>>182616113
oh lol

>>182615842
Pangaea sounds cool, but even though they have earth wizards (and water and blood, which is cool) they only get nature gems from their cap. I know most spells don't need gems, but wouldn't a steady supply of earth gems be necessary for the more powerful spells and items?

>>182613107
>>182615842
I recommend trying EA Abysia at least once so you can learn to bloody well rush your opponents.

Turn 4 wars are something you actively aim for with that nation.

Also EA Ulm to teach you how to into magic and raiding. They're about as management-focused as a non-blood nation can hope to be.

>>182617203
Most of your gems come from site searching, not your cap

>>182617203
It's not difficult to exhaust even the highest of earth income with Earth Boots/Bloodstones and gems used in battle magic but on the other hand, you don't HAVE to spend gems to get something useful out of Earth. Strength of Giants, Legions of Steel, Destruction, Earth Meld etc. operate fine with E2+Earthpower (and half of MA Pan mages are native E3) and spells like Iron Bane and such like are highly efficient. By the time you reach the more important research goals using gems in larger numbers (such as Earthquake), you should have an ample supply from site searching.

Furthermore, Horde must take his turn.
Furthermore, Nurgle must take his turn.

I'll be taking it back now then, Pan.

>>182615842
Is it worth cobbling together a strong bless for White Centaurs? They seem strong, but maybe it's not worth it if I'm going more for massed buffed up revelers and such

>>182620659
W9 E4 is a perfectly affordable bless and gives you some frankly disgusting expansion in the form of blending machines masquerading as centaurs.

What are the hot MP mods these days? I see worthy heroes is still around, there's some magic overhaul shit and other guff.

What's good, nigga?

>>182620860
I can probably afford E9, is it worth it for the protection?

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This is in an actual multiplayer game. Spot the fuck up.

>>182620659
White Centaurs with W9 make Pangaea top5 expanding nation out of all ages (rivaled only by the likes of Bats and EA Vanheim) and it's a very economical bless given that you can take sloth 3 and imprisoned pretender without an issue.

>>182621979
Is ..... Is that a F9 Bless on MA Caelum?

>>182621885
Not really. Centaurs get 22 defense with W9 (+due to their recuperation, instead of becoming wounded cripples, they are almost guaranteed to get two or three stars of experience for even more) and are likely to murder any opposition before they get hit once. Moreover, once you can cast protection buffs, the value of protection from E9 decreases.

>>182622014
>>182622381
I'll do W9E4 then, it sounds really solid. Gives me plenty of points leftover to grab scales

>>182621979
>takes f9 bless for archers that don't benefit from it
NICE MEME

>>182623308
Niceu meme-chan desu

>>182618552
One more turn or you risk bumping me.

>>182622147
Someone start an MA game I ahve to try A9 caeulm

>>182621979
Dang, I should rush him.

>>182624243
Why not try A1 Caelum

>>182624243
I really wish there were more sacred archers in the game. Especially a rec-everywhere one.

Tangentially, such a bummer F9 or D9 doesn't work with Mind Blast.

>>182624539
Beware, he clearly dabbles in magic you may not have researched, the arcane art of meme magic

>>182623308
Wait why doesnt it work

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>>182627089
>kill undead

>R'lyeh Waiting for 2h file

Why there no Dom 4 streamers?

>>182628507
Who the fuck would watch 15 minutes of gameplay followed by 24 hours of sitting around?

>>182626964
they are already magic weapons

>>182626964
>>182629089
No, other magic weapons do still work with them. Frost bows SPECIFICALLY don't work with flaming arrows. It's in the weapon properties in the mod inspector

>>182628507
Raiel streams his duels sometimes

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>>182629165
Holy shit this is problematic

Our shitty English wiki didn't help at all and the only thing I found with Google was pic related, which would be great, if only desura wasn't dead
I might actually try to learn jap just so I could learn gook secrets without bothering weeb people

Question, how do you properly use high mobility units? Especially flying ones since what will happen is they'll outpace my infantry and get swarmed and wastefully die.

>>182629989
Set the fast ones at the back and the slow ones at the front?
Otherwise, if you've got similarly quick commanders, you can set the faster troops to Guard Commander, and the commander to wait 3-5 turns and then Attack Rearmost or whatever. Hold and Attack will only wait for 3 turns, so this can buy you some crucial turns for your front liners to get into contact with the enemy.

>>182629763
まあ、その日本人のウィキが良く出来た見える。しかし、内容物はちゃんと確かめたかなあ。

>>182629989
Ar far as tactically mobile troops are concerned, that's often of relative low value. I must confess I'm much weaker in tactics than other parts of the game but for me at least, movement speed rarely changes how I plan the battle. It has some uses, though. For starters, it gives you some leeway in positioning the units such that they gain the first strike (sacred cavalry with W9 bless for example is effectively guaranteed to hit standard ~10AP enemies before they get hit, even if you position them by random, and understanding movement ranges is critical in scripting elephants for instance). High AP also enables units to flee from battles without taking too much losses during the rout, or chase and kill routing enemies more effectively.

Speed can be used in getting to the back lines of the opponent quickly (such as rushing a thug in the middle of its buffing sequence), or catching up to your front line after being initially deployed out of reach of enemy missiles/spells, or being told to hold while your mages buff them. Line formation causes units to move as one (being limited by the speed of the slowest unit in the group, be sure to select wounded troops with 'w' and remove any cripples if you want the line to advance faster) and can be used to prevent fliers from going in solo (Storm can also be used to the same effect: for example, I once used Storm so that I could walk W1 fliers in frozen heart range of an enemy SC with attack one turn commands), and supposing you have flying chaff like harpies or hawks for sieging forts, you might just want to use guard commander instead of letting them to fight in melee.

too your durns

>>182629763
Well, at least you can do really slick shit with bows of war and stone birds.

>>182630990
>>182629989
Fliers can be annoying when used in conjuction with other troops, but on the other hand flying is a guaranteed first strike (Spire Hown Warriors for example might not look so great on paper with their middling at best stats, but in actuality just 20-30 of them can rout most indies instantly), it allows you to get a full surround (more of your guys fighting fewer of your opponent's troops) and attack rear/archers command can be extremely valuable (it forces all sorts of tough decisions from the opponent, like deploying mages at the range of missile fire, and failing to keep the commanders safe may allow a small force of fliers to assassinate the leaders and cause the remaining army to rout for even greater losses).

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>>182631285
Case in point.

Yo Jomon, you got Arnberg (80), right? That's Pan's only fort that isn't over 100 unrest, so if you can clinch it, he won't be able to make any more dudes.

Speaking of, I've finally managed to kill some of the goats. They're still doing work, though, and everyone else should be showering me in money and wellwishes for removing the seducers from the game.

I may be pointing out the obvious, but NewGamePlus Ulm is going to blob out of control at this point.

>>182632647
t. pan

>>182631759
Stymphalian birbs are great.

Is there a maximum Protection value? I think you can only get 18 MR, so is there a similar limit?

>>182633395
I think you can easily go over 30 with rock reptile

>>182633395
No limit, but it's hard to get higher than 35 or around that. Try E9 cyclops with artifact armor.

man everybody took their turns so quickly except one...ahhh

>>182633563
E10 Cyclops disciple with an E9 bless gets pretty high,

>>182633653
Time for fucking testing.

>>182633653
Turns out cyclops can't be a disciple, you fucking liar.

>>182633867
O fak, right. Try snek or something?

>>182624161
Much longer and I'll start asking for payment

>>182634020
I think having the body slot will add more than the slightly higher base prot

>>182634230
Not sure. The way natural and armor prot stack make it so that the higher they are the less you gain from combining them.

I think Moloch has highest base prot of full-slotted disc. candidates.

>>182633395
I didn't see it in the manual but looking at the Internet, I found this formula for natural protection and armour stacking:

Total protection = Natural Protection + Armor - (Natural Protection * Armor / 40)

If the formula is used exactly as it is, having either 0 armor or natural protection and one or the other above 40 could in principle result in protection value higher than 40 (protection from successful parry with a shield on top of that would probably also increase the protection used in damage calculations), but realistically it goes down to 40 (for example, even Monolith Armour armour is "just" 30 and 3 from Legions of Steel would make it 33, and I don't think 40 natural protection is realistic either).

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As far as I can go without empowering a disciple with E9N9

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Managed to get to both head and body prot 40, but can't go higher. Don't ask me to empower to E100, the last time I tested it my game was banished to the shadowrealm.

>>182634708
And it turns out at this point he doesn't need any of his items to stay at 40.

>>182634519
Looks like Monolith Armor+Krupp's Bracers+Bracers of Protection is 37, and Legions of Steel makes it 40. Would there be anything with body slot and more than 2 misc slots? Protection from multiple bracers stacks (3*bracers of protection and Krupp's Bracers puts Crone at 11 for example, but she doesn't have body slot).

>>182635574
Oh, and natural protection has to be 0

>>182635574
>Would there be anything with body slot and more than 2 misc slots?

When I played Gath I noticed Kohen Gadols have 3 misc slots for whatever reason.

>>182636330
Too bad they have 2 base protection

>>182636330
it's lore based, they have a ton of jewelry

>>182636684
Does that mean rappers would get an extra misc slot if you were to stat them?

>>182636829
yes

>>182633395
40 is max protection. You're not going to reach it, though.

You can definitely get over 18 MR, that's just the highest value that units are given.

>>182636829
Yup, just like Enkidu bone hunters but illfraud hates enkidus

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>>182630859
WHAT DOES IT MEAN ASIA MAN TELL ME
IS THAT A DOMINIONS REFERENCE??

>>182638297
I'm learning Japanese and I tried typing that out for practice. There's probably some errors in it, but what I was trying to say was "The wiki of the Japanese looks well made but I wonder if the contents are properly tested."

>>182636330
Ashdod's Adons also have 3 slots.

>>182638297
>>182638847
It's a reference to tension between the Japanese and Chinese dominions communities. The Chinese Communities (TROW and that other one) are pretty confident in being the best at dominions in the world, something they claim the developers have confirmed as apparently they work through their translators with the Chinese communities for general balance.

The Japanese think they're pretty shit hot at the game but most refuse to play outside of their own servers. The Japanese wiki is one of the most extensive on Dominions but also has a lot of personal opinion (look it up, almost every spell has some opinion on when best to use).

SO to the wiki, what this image refers to is the Chinese community doubting the contents of the Japanese wiki, it's kind of a meme, there's a bit of crossover between their communities (some Chinese players managed to get into Japanese games and wrecked shit and some Japanese play in chinese games and generally manage to pass themselves off as noobs). If you check out the Chinese community a few months back there were a few threads with titles like the one cited in the image.

Did that come across properly? there's a ton of cultural background and shit thats hard to translate going into this stuff.

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mixed skill level games were a mistake

>>182639278
The only way shit players are going to get better is by playing better ones.

>>182639165
This is completely made up, btw. The devs work with their friends from the Dominions community for balance, mostly folks like Maerlande and IRL friends.

>>182639165
Where can I find the Chinese communities? I'd like to play with them.

>>182639460
China most likely.

Man has staled twice in a row and is poised to do so a third time. Might want to do something about them.

Do foul vapors trigger blood vengeance?

>>182639354
Not really sure what Ur learned given that he went AI after losing chaff. It'd be one thing if they asked for advice on how to beat the stuff that the more experienced players were using. But if you don't actually try to figure out what spells you need to use and apply them, you won't get better just because you saw your little army get crushed

>>182641209
Poison damage does not trigger blood vengeance.

>>182642670
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ahem

Stop bullying Salva

>>182639165
>apparently they work through their translators with the Chinese communities for general balance
This is nonsense. The betatesting team for dom4 was a mix of nerds off dom3mods (Maerlande, Amuys, Calahan, Llamabeast, etc) and some swedish friends of illwinter.

>>182620967
WH
magic enhanced
summod

>>182644956
!

>>182647564

But slawa is a monkey?

>>182639278
Don't count out nief. They're gonna get most of ulm and ur unless van stops them.

Game: AI_Bowl
Turn number 1
Next turn due: 02:00 GMT on Sunday July 16th

Abysia 2h file received
>C'tis Waiting for 2h file
Marverni 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
Pangaea 2h file received
Pelagia 2h file received
Sauromatia 2h file received
Therodos 2h file received
>Tir na n'Og Waiting for 2h file
Ur 2h file received
Yomi 2h file received
Observers 2h file received

do your turns or else you'll be set AI

>>182652332
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN

>>182652332
Oh fuck forgot to mail it rip

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I'm going AI next turn. The game's too slow, and Malakal's position is too strong for me to do anything meaningful. If I start killing my neighbors, he'll take the thrones, so it's too late for that.

TC is being retarded and has literally nothing on his throne while Malakal is 2 provinces away from it. Sauro is eating salva no monkey!, but by refusing to attack Malakal he's basically postponing his inevitable death. Everyone else is either dead, AI, or irrelevant.

I blame the original player for shit expansion and a subpar build, but that's basically it. Probably should've attacked someone else instead of Yomi, but I didn't know Malakal is playing Agartha by that time.

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Yeah, and there's this shit too.

>>182654181

BTW I didnt ask for a turn timer change to 48+h.

Don't blame me.

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>>182655249
I blame you only for not doing your turns faster, you normie.

Also, Andre, do you derive some kind of sadistic pleasure from setting a timer to weird intervals?

>>182655249
>>182655249
so do your turns in 24 hours you actual anus

>>182655523
>>182655542

Little point in that as Arco or whatever will always do it later than me anyway.

You well know how longer turn timers work on people.

>>182655523
Is Andre the new Lukas?

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>>182654181
But what if malakal has no more easy thrones to capture?

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>>182655523
The game started with 28h hosting interval. I added 24h on turn 40 or so. As I did in like 4 other games I'm admining, since that's what players wanted
>>178944385
>>179909261
Feel free to tell people that you've lost to Malakal again because of long turn timers, though.

>>182655769
I'm not postponing turns for no reason though.
I also don't have as many reaction images with anime grills as he had.

>>182656552
It would mean that he captured all of them.

Hey Abysia, if you want Urd, I'll just leave it with 0 PD. Go ahead and grab it this turn.
Also sorry, Ulm.

>>182658704
Re: Ulm: Jankeep is left with 0 PD, go ahead and grab that.

>>182658946
Are you really going to give away free provinces to everyone? Can I take your cap while you're at it?

>>182659030
No, just those guys, for reasons.

>>182658704
>>182658946
Well I know who my invasion target is.

>>182659103
Wow, and I was just trying to be nice.

>>182659285
Exactly, you're a cuck who will go AI at the first sign of difficulty.

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>>182659285
It's a dog eat dog world, anon.

>>182659385
Going AI is for cowards. Please try me though.

Why are Enkidu so shit?

>>182661359
Size 3, merely average stats, and bad equipment.

Game: AI_Bowl
Turn number 1
Next turn due: 02:00 GMT on Sunday July 16th

Abysia 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
Pangaea 2h file received
Pelagia 2h file received
Sauromatia 2h file received
Therodos 2h file received
>Tir na n'Og Waiting for 2h file
Ur 2h file received
Yomi 2h file received
Observers 2h file received

>>182661526
I get that, but why are they like that, why does shillwinter hate them so much?

>>182657272
>The game started with 28h hosting interval. I added 24h on turn 40 or so.
Why are you such an autist?

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>>182657272
>28h hosting interval

Arco that was a province trade, not an act of war.

>>182662914
Ya, stop attacking each other and attack ulm

>>182662914
>>182663054
True that.

Attacking Jomon also works, since he is currently playing kingmaker for Ulm.

>>182654181
>Elves are going AI because they still can't beat AI Yomi
Now I have seen everything.

>>182637601
Horrors, starspawns n shit have base 20.

>>182663727

Iron angels have base what 24? 26?

>>182637601
>You can definitely get over 18 MR, that's just the highest value that units are given.
S bless cant make a unit go over 18MR too

>>182664285
Not to mention antimagic and items.

>>182663242
He lost a war with Oceania too

>>182664528
No. it's only bless that won't help beyond 18

>>182663818
Base 20 also.

God Vessel / Legion of Gods / Doom Horrors have 22, don't think anything tops those.

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Major battle this turn. Occurred one turn from Ochrekan's capital. Ochrekan lost this one hard, but he's not totally out of the game; still has five forts up, not counting his capital.

Unlike the Cannum-Nurgle battle, the combat was a slugfest. His Oreseekers spammed Magma Bolts, his Rustminer tried to get clever with Curse of Stones, his Frostbound cast Acid Rain a few times, and his Ancient Jadehulks cast self buffs. However, he was relying on his Jadehulk sacreds to carry the day for him. They did not.

Forces of Ochrekan, in the same order as the screenshot:
420g
140g
(Personal gems:
6 Earth)
235g (cap-only, sacred, E9N9)
(Equip. cost(assuming Hammer):
8 E-gems
4 W-gems
8 N-gems)
1125g (slowrec cap-only, sacred, E9N9)
(Equip. cost(thug1, assuming Hammer):
10 E-gems
4 W-gems
8 N-gems)
(Equip. cost(thug2, assuming Hammer):
7 E-gems
4 W-gems
8 N-gems)
(Equip. cost(general, assuming Hammer):
7 E-gems
4 F-gems)
55g
(Equip. cost:
3 D-gems)
320g (slowrec cap-only, sacred, E9N9)
2025g
120g
5100g (sacred, E9N9, cap-only)
sum:
9550g
38 E-gems
12 W-gems
24 N-gems
4 F-gems
3 D-gems
losses: total (retreat was cut off)

Forces of Meissa, listed in the same order as the screenshot:
45g
260g
3515g
(Personal gems:
8 Earth)
620g (cap-only slowrec)
260g
-180g
120g
-96g
84g
-48g
969g
540g
-180g
3136g (sacred, N9)
-64g
800g (sacred, N9)
-40g
40 W-gems
-35 W-gems
120 E-gems
-40 E-gems
sum:
10349g
128 E-gems
40 W-gems
losses:
608g
35 W-gems
40 E-gems

It turns out that I brought more gold and gems to the fight, but I hold that the Jadehulks are underpriced so it was really just gems. Either way, having more mages certainly helped things. At least Nurgle and Ochrekan, being neighbors, can commiserate over their experiences and possibly come up with better strategies than taking a duel-bless and hoping their sacreds will carry them the whole game.

>>182662318
>Why are you such an autist?
Anon, are you lost? Do you even know where you are? This post will help you find out >>182665894

Arco, ulm, lemuria, how's Man's position? Doesn't feel quite right to sub/AI him in an RP game, but I don't have a choice.

>>182666210
totes rude desu
Just wanted to make sure my victory wasn't Pyrrhic and I figured I might as well post it to /domg/ since I spent so much time on it.

>>182666350
About to be bad.

>>182666350
Ulm defeated an army, but Arco isnt letting him push

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>>182665041
There was no "war" with Oceania. First Sauro bullied him out of the land, then I took the provinces near me. Then he took back his "cap circle" to fight Malakal. He's a cutie.

Malakal and Arco, please do your turns. I want to watch living mercuries killing everything I love and go AI in peace. You had time to shitpost in the thread, it means you should have enough time to do your turns quickly.

>>182667121
Agartha hasn't even invaded you, what kind of a pussy you are?

>>182667460
>what kind of a pussy you are
An elf.

>>182663054
>attack ulm
That's a funny way of spelling "send thank you cards and gold to"

>>182661848
I always thought it made perfect sense, because it shows why their trash race got wiped out.

>>182658704
>>182658946
fug

also :^)

>>182673291
I think everyone should agree, he seems trustworthy.

>>182673291
Not from him, fucking stalling twat

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The secret memesauce Vanheim's been mysteriously gloating over is finally unveiled and it is a thing.

Doubt it will be *enough* of a thing but hey it got me laughing aloud at my desk and that alone counts for more than gold and gems.

memes

>Abysia always last
>Didn't doubleturn

>>182676416

das raite white boi whatchu gonna do bout it? thought so

>>182676492
Enslave your race

do your turns

>>182679532
dont feel like it

>>182676492
I thought the abysians were the ones having problems with racemixing causing their purebreds to die out.

>>182681906
How the hell do abysians even race mix in the first place? Arent they made out of lava and shit?

>>182682439
Magic

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brood of garm cute edition

Would kill for a turn right now buds.

do stealthy units in a province and not under the command of a commander join in province defense or act stealthed?

>>182682439

Blood magic sent by Heliophagis to corrupt the noble kangz

>>182689646
I dont think they were ever noble. They seem like a decidedly violent and angry short of people.

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Well, I don't seem to have much choice here.

Looking for a sub for a staling player in an RP game, LA Man. Great Sage(?) pretender, unknown build.

Decent position, two thrones (Air, Crystal), currently at war with Ulm, recently lost a battle. Borders Lemuria by sea, Arco and Ulm by land.

6 stales, which is the bad part.

Also, turn's postponed by 24h.

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Just won my first game as EA Machaka with friends. Why is MA Machaka so bad

>>182693236

Awful troops and one good mage. The one good mage is expensive so you cant get enough and the few you get cant do everything you need them to do.

bamp

>>182673982
That's some innovation right there

>>182673982
>secret memesauce
>It's just the Bow of War Priest thing
Your friend's a fucking mong

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winning six battles per turn in an initially defensive war continues for my fifth turn in a row

np

>>182687817
they go poof

Holy shit that siren raid what the fuck.

>>182699651
the worst of both worlds eh? nice

>>182699932
wat happen

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Should Earth Serpent be nerfed or should 90% of the pretenders in this game, especially titans, be buffed?

>>182701775
The latter. Gods should be strong.

>>182699419
Are you me?

>>182702340
yes

>>182701775
>>182702214
>titans now instantly sitesearch provinces they walk into (attacking counts)
This makes acceptable wasting extra points in a titan expander or a rainbow-ish titan

>>182702468
Would make more sense for the more human pretenders to do that.

Abysia didn't double turn *again*

how to play la caelum?

>>182703508
skelespam

Hey Sauro, are your bane venoms lost there?

You can always give me your banevenom charms so I can ruin my capital further.

>>182702452
t. Malakal

>>182703508
Get an awake + prod/magic scales. Beeline to evo7 for battlefield clears. Raid shit with burds, kill things you don't want to fight with WoD/RoS.

>>182699932
lmao, killed 500 gold in mages and razed a temple for 2 gems

The random water ele on the other province caught me off guard, though.

do your turns

>>182706973
nah

>>182707909
delet

>>182708147
buly
!

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>>182704303
pic related

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t u r n s

>>182709293
WHAT HAPPENED

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>>182709293

>>182709540
2 gems to cast one air elemental, thought it's be good enough to clear PD

his mages couldn't handle it before a couple of them fatigued out and the elemental scattered them

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>>182709771
W E W L A D
E E
W W
L L
A A
D D

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>>182709293

>>182710186
>newfags can't triforce

>>182710865
>employing I wasn't merely rusing you

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>tfw you mistake a shapeshifted Nagini for a shapeshifted Nagaraja and forget that one of these has stealth and the other does not

>>182712062
Sorry for vulturing, you looked very dead. Please, feel free to keep any lands you take from Lemuria

>>182691240
I'm still interested in looking for a sub.

Again, LA man, 2 thrones, RP game, great sage(?).

>>182703680
The world will pay for putting it's faith in Blessrushing

>>182712062
Speaking of, an update on Patala-Bowl

Patala, as mentioned, blew a few hundred gold suiciding units into a random group of Bats. Arco continues to focus elsewhere, Ghosts seem to be pulling out, I lack UW scouts so I cant say for sure. C'tis has consolidated its forces on two forts, leaving one exposed and Giants continue to summon Pale Riders on their cap, doing little else. Should be an interesting fight when they do their last charge, I'm interested to see if either C'tis or Xilbaba have researched suitable counters.

>>182713868
Well, a bunch of my provinces have patrollers anyways for bloodhunting, so you're more likely to get caught in places that the flag's green than elsewhere.

>>182715990
Trade you gems for blood slaves to move

>>182716272
You want to buy blood slaves for gems or vice versa?

Arco do your friggin turn >:^(

I'm a new player and I think I have a good grip on how to play in general and a vague idea of what most of the nations do. Is the best way to find games just lurk the thread until somebody hosts one?

>>182718808
basically

>>182718808
What sort of character theme do you like in fantasy?

>>182719352
What do you mean by character theme?

>>182719352
>>182720002
Just which nations I like or what?

Also bump for dead thread

>>182721903
Just play Bandar Log dude. It's obviously the best, most balanced, most fun faction in the game, with the deepest and best lore.
No bias or nothin.

>>182723290
t. Malakal

am I doing it right?

Also I have a few nations I like, but I should probably try to learn a few more

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This went as well as I expected. Mercuries with buffs > everything I had on that throne. Malakal has 5/6 thrones now, so he's going to win in like 4 turns, and it's not even all of his mercury stacks.

What kind of pretender does MA Ctis even want? Scales, good dom push, and a rainbow? Awake expander? What?

How many living mercs did he have.

>>182723553
Why are living mercuries so strong? Just really hard to kill?

>>182723941
Hard to kill and a poison aura, plus three armor piercing attacks.

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>>182723941
They have no prot, but have enough defence and physical damage resistance to shrug off most blows. A lot of hp and the usual elemental thing when they get smaller when brought to some hp. 3 AP 28 damage attacks that hit more often than not, and poison aura. They're also mindless, so not charms or soul slays or shit, and they're blind, so casting darkness means they'll get an advantage over non-darkvision troops. Also, fog warriors and/or quickness makes them a nightmare.

Possible counters include killing the mages or routing them, like drowning the battlefield with insects from creeping doom and casting wrathful skies while you buff your army with lightning resist buffs, then maybe casting foul vapors if enemy mages are not poison resistant.

>>182723813
>those troops

Awake, I would think.

>>182723813
I haven't looked into MA C'tis but I'd wager it's Erf Snek. They don't really need a bless, they have mediocre expansion and they greatly benefit from early gold+scales for reaching their Enchantment 5 research goals as well as spreading their miasma dominion for income and dissuading would-be attackers

>>182724035
>>182724325
I noticed the damage resistance and lots of attacks, but missed the poison aura. Abysia used to wreck me with that fire aura in singleplayer games at first, but I imagine throwing a poison resist spell does the trick. I imagine the living mercs are pretty tough with earth and water defense buffs on

>>182723543
no

the t. Malakal thing is when someone is being transparently manipulative or deceitful

>>182724325
The other big thing that was alluded to earlier is that all of the factions that have Living Mercury have the paths to buff it up as well, so they don't stay at no prot in the actual fights.

>>182725114
But he was clearly providing "unbiased" information?

t. Malakal?

>>182725428
No, nation picks are subject to diplomacy only during disciple draft-pick games

>>182725494
>not making your opponent lose on pretender generation

>>182725494
Ok, the malakal memes only apply to in-game diplomacy? Good to know

Also, Bandar Log sounds kinda wonky so I think I'll pass

now what kind of terrible person wouldn't do their turns

>>182727104
What game is this?
I am gonna crash the party as Bandar Log.

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Okay, okay. This is just getting silly.

Assassins and offensive mages? Sure. Random lab rats? All right. Fucking random birds, though?

>>182728745
lmfao

>>182728745
When I saw he had a cool and edgy name, I knew he was destined to be a thug.
*flies behind army
*unsheathes beak
nothin personell, kiddo.

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>>182729327
I mean, I suppose I did build those bola dudes entirely out of spite for Mari a long time ago.

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BTW here are me and Atlantis's graphs. In no particular order

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>>182730784
>>182730784
this could be either of you

>>182731217
?

>>182731217
saved

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>>182731217
delet this

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>>182731265
It had cap in the name and apparently I'm retarded
>>182731363

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also if that stuff lets you hack my bank please don't I only have 30 bucks

>>182731217
saved

>pirated windows
>no skills
>aussies
It all makes sense now.

>>182731217
You can delete your posts you fucking retard.

>>182731783
>no skills
I take offense to that one. Only reason I'm not doing too well is because I am fighting Atlantis and Ulm at the same time.
These posts were a call to action. You know that Malakal is not an australian, so hear me when I say I am not malakaling you. The time has come to end these UW normies. Also Ulm lets have peace and gang up on Atlantis. I'll leave your cap alone and we can work out a border deal if you agree.

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>>182731486
For a brief moment I thought you were bribing someone IRL to win a Domininions game, and if that was the case I really don't know how I woul have reacted.

>>182732168
That would've been a first. I'd have been happy just to be a part of this special moment.

>>182732168
>not just getting all my mates over to my place and colluding while drinking 4x stubbies.
heh, nothing personal, cunt.

Also sorry I haven't been dropping everything to kill you. I've just been fighting you to help out Ulm. My two armies with actual units that can fight are busy washing glamour-goo from the seas

>>182723813
Soul Eater crocco works pretty well for awake. Loads of fear and cheap with ED.

Man is poised to stale for fourth time in row. Can we get a sub or something?

>>182737250
Don't worry, he'll be taken care of.

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PoggiesGoMogII machine broke

>>182737309
host retart???

remember to

do your turn

>>182737309
Just rename your mod file to match the message. There was an issue with the upload to Llamserver so the file had to be reuploaded with a different name.

>>182738267
Thanks anon, just did.

>>182716371
Gems for blood slaves

>>182739586
Send me a message in game with what gems you want to buy and how many slaves you want to spend on them

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>>182739138
people who do turns get hearts

remember to

do a double turn if you were the last to

do your turn

last time

>>182742928
No

>>182744058
Well no dick pics for you then.

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So, hey, anyone wants to take over Vanheim in Earth Attack? They're one of the strongest nations in game for sure, but Agartha just rekt them in one of their thrones (and is close to winning the game, apparently), as shown here >>182723553 and the player is too butthurt about that to carry on.

Let me know here or on discord, if you're interested. If no one wants to sub, Van will be AI next turn.

>>182745181
If Van goes AI there is no reason to continue the game, since Malakal will be able to grab their throne easily, so if that happens just wrap it up.

>>182745334
Sure, if everyone else agrees to concede.

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>>182745334
My throne is in my cap circle, and I have infinite wolfworks in making, but I think you just don't understand the gravity of the situation. You literally can't stop his snowballing now. Imagine every province having 15 magma children and 5 mercuries, and that's just for raiding parties.

Are there any comprehensive introductory guides for dominions that are generalised, going over stuff like what magic elements and schools are good for what and which spells are common staples to counter certain things, like those high evo fire spells for wiping out entire armies of chaff etc?

>>182745583
No, there's nothing comprehensive, and even national guide can be debated to death. There's a beginner's guide on the wiki, but it's very barebones. Just read the manual, play some SP, and ask shit in the thread.

>>182745583
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=692390381
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=667432694

>>182745694
Baka Rejakor, always getting shit wrong.

>>182745737
not him, also i just googled dom4 magic guide and this popped up
Its propably better than starting from scratch

>>182724325

They are worse than size6 water elementals but since you can summon them in rituals and you keep them they are better to buff.

Plus having 53 water elementals would require like 26 mages in battle or so.

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>>182748684
1 less attack and no fire resist, but more hp. If we're not talking about fighting UW, they're comparable. And against chaff poison cloud is more effective than an extra attack.

>>182748846
And +8 str. Pretty big deal for armor-piercing attacks.

>>182748846

You mean less hp since one form less right?

>>182749247
Living Mercury seems to have a tad more even with all forms combined, I noticed the same thing and checked

yeh, on land mercuries are overall better than W elementals - tankier (more hp/form but fewer forms) and generally more damaging, since against low hp targets their poison clouds are impactful and against high hp targets, their extra damage is really nice. The only downside they have in comparison is really the fire resistance

>>182748846
>against chaff poison cloud is more effective than an extra attack.
Hardly, poison takes too long to kill. Poison cloud 5 will mostly hit adjacent squares, and for chaff those squares will be dead next turn.

An extra attack means an extra chance to kill a unit who got lucky defense/protection rolls or took a limb hit.

>>182749247
More hp per form means they'll stay in their stronger forms for longer, which is better than high overall hp, in my opinion.

>>182749970

Yea but one more for means a lot more survivability in certain cases. But I guess its close.

>>182750150
They work around the same in fights, yeah.

Mercuries are mainly better because they are permanent rather than single-battle, so your enemy actually needs to kill them. Permanent water elementals would be about as strong.

Any new games starting?

>>182750571
no

>>182752884

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/2217311444329167141/

summod plus ME

There should be a more vanilla game starting soon too.

>>182754372
link to llama?

>>182754581

Dont think the game is up yet, just sign up for now.

>>182754372
can we join anonymousl

>>182754796

Its not my game but probably no as other players are named.

>>182749970
>Hardly, poison takes too long to kill. Poison cloud 5 will mostly hit adjacent squares, and for chaff those squares will be dead next turn.

How are elementals supposed to kill everything next to them every turn? All attacks from one unit go into one square, so at most they can hit one square each turn. Poison aura is amazing against chaff, the poison builds up pretty quickly and is great at killing regular 10-15hp units in a few turns. One single extra attack doesn't really compare, especially given the +8 Str on the other 3 attacks.

>>182737250
I've asked twice and I'll ask again.

>>182756858

What pos?

>>182758219
A fair share of provinces, one throne, no wars that I know of, bordering Arcoscephale and Lemuria

>>182758427

Scales/bless?

>>182758640
Actually, Man has two thrones (Throne of Air and Crystal Throne). I don't know about pretender build (might or might not be an unorthodox build given that it's an RP game).

>>182662914
Wasn't that the province you promised me?

>>182758219
Two thrones, some forts, war with Ulm, uncertain about pretender. Probably some kind of great sage.

>>182760172

Eh I was going to pass since Man has absolute trash mages and no interesting summons but those thrones seem fun.

>>182761662
Come to steamchat then.

And to be clear, it's an RP game, maybe see about contacting your borders over anything previously established.

>>182762817

I played one of those as Mr Moustache, was Ragha, so I know how to do it no problem.

>>182763048
Now I'm having second thoughts, because I was in that game. You going to be a bit more serious this time around?

>>182763201

What do you mean I played my role, is that not serious role playing? I dont eve have a moustache IRL.