/pso2g/ - Phantasy Star Online 2 General #1293

Reminder that minute differences in stats only matter at the top level (unless you're trying to play bow with 150pp or something) and until then your ability to play is much more important. Yamato weapons are fine.

t. someone with three qliphads

How bad is the fighter domination in ep 5 actually gonna be?

>>181979046
>cucking as a gameplay element

SOLD

So Hero's gonna be shit right

>>181981391
Assuming Force is nerfed half as much as people fear and Maron is truly dead without assuming anything else? They would be far ahead every other currently existing class. What people aren't keeping in mind is that Force techs are being buffed across the board (probably still worse than they are now but far from dead), Katana is getting lots of buffs, Gunner is being buffed, Partizan is being buffed and Hero is coming out. Bow is getting buffs too but bow is probably actually dead.
The last demographic survey shows that Fighter already sees a massive surge in play rate among max level characters. Fighter population will probably continue to rise since on paper every class close to Fighter right now is getting nerfed and Fighter is only being buffed.

>>181981381
you mean EQ?

>>181981894
Whoops, yes, EQ.

>>181981880
>Katana is getting lots of buffs, Gunner is being buffed, Partizan is being buffed and Hero is coming out
None of those are going to matter. Fighter is going to be the only relevant class through all of ep 5.

>>181981880
Ranger is also getting buffed for content that matters.

>>181981735
Zieg giving you +35 quickly only works for weapons that started off as OT. The majority of weapons in the yamato CFs are NT from the get go and thus need 6 sheets to +35.

>>181982075
So all the yamato CF weapons are NT? If I wanted to do the skip I'd have to get a weapon from kagaseo stones, which would then be stuck at 15 element?

>>181982264
Not all of them. The military weapons and some of the older weapons like seiga sword start as OT.

>>181982264
The yamato CFs will give you OT for weapons that originally were OT. You can get them from sheets, but it's only a handful of Seiga/Tokyo 13* available that way. Some of them aren't that great either but around half of them are pretty decent.

>>181982054
The premier content of ep5 is basically TD and unless I'm remembering wrong, Ranger only received rifle buffs. They might be a tad less dependent on massive hunter but that's probably not enough to get them near Fighter level. I don't think people quite grasp how strong Fighter is right now since parsing is taboo among a lot of people and they don't have a geared fighter they can compare to their current class with.

>>181982473
Which ones were OT?

>>181982840
The bottom half of the Seiga/Quotz/Tokyo collection, they don't have exp bars.

Everyone arguing over Zein vs Yamato and here I am still using Union Rod for fire.

>>181981880
>stinky fighters thinking they'll ever be popular
LMAO, fuck off

>>181983514
Fuck off with this shit

>>181983541
Stop stinking my game and I will.

>>181983641
I'm a gunner and I still want you to die

>>181983751
Gunner is pretty much melee.
Oodan armpits go in your face.

>>181983514
Fighter used to be the 3rd least popular class and in ep4 alone it's climbed up to 3rd most popular. I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to climb in ep5 if they screw up balance bad enough.

>>181984042
H E R O B O Y Z
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>can't s-roll while in z-aim with twin machineguns
Why. Fucking why.

Reminder if you play bow you should uninstall

>>181984357
You can though

>>181984357
There are separate binds for over-the-shoulder view in controls. You have to bind your weapon action to the same key as regular view mode.

Reminder if you play melee you need to shower and change classes

>>181985313
>Change off a master race class receiving buffs to ranged receiving nerfs
Nice meme

Why would you want the game to be balanced anyway? Balanced games are boring.

>>181985479
>rubbing onto space monkey aberrations
Fuck off, stinker

>>181985606
Competitive games? Sure
MMOs? God no. I still have awful memories of WoW where 2/3 the class combos would be refused entry to any real content. In games like this if one class just does everything better there's literally no reason to play anything else unless you don't mind handicapping yourself and being excluded from premades.

>>181982045
Oh, can you show us the numbers for the buffs, since you seem to know them?

>>181985856
Why does everything need to be viable?

>>181985305
That helps a lot, thanks.

I really wish enemies with unblockable stuns and grabs would fuck off.

>>181984042
Think of it this way: It makes it easier to single out Fighter for nerfs later if nothing else broken pops up

ITT: People too shit to play fighter complaining for fighter nerfs instead of learning how to play it

>>181988780
I play fighter, and do very well with it. I think it should be nerfed, because there's no reason for it to be as strong as it is. Maybe in the past when there wasn't much you could do about surviving in limit break, but definitely not now.

Hell, actually, I like that idea. Make LB take away 90% of your HP instead of 75%. That would fix all the problems I have with fighter.

>>181988995
>Wanting the class that takes the most skill nerfed
???

>>181988995
It takes very little skill to play current meta fighter. The change I suggested would make it the high skill high damage class again.

>>181988780
>everyone should just become an anesthesiologist
>its stupid not working as an anesthesiologist when its the highest paying job

>>181989259
Meant to reply to this >>181989186 how did I even fuck that up

>all these story board events that give me a Dio Tigredor-NT
Why. Why do they keep giving me this exact weapon? Just give me a fucking excube.

>>181989350
Nice strawman

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splurt splurt

>>181989824
Fuck. Off.

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>>181987915
>mfw people say gunslash is viable
>all those stuns, aoe cones, explosions that cover your entire character, 5 second long attacks and beams that hit multiple times
>gunslash has nothing to combat this other then a short hop
>on top of that you have to be fucking balls deep on the enemy if you want to hit them with your PA's so you have to deal with all this shit full force
>still now techniques or ability's that support gunslash despite the fact that its been in the game since day 1
Nu-pso2 has eliminated the gunslash player

>>181989824
t. fly airport

>>181990073
If people can do it on solo mother and PD you can do it on basic bitch ass bosses

new player here, quick question can photon arts crit?

>>181987915
>unblockable
There are very few things in the game that cannot be blocked, and none of them are grabs or can stun you.

>people complain about force and summoner all ep
>not even happy they're being nerfed to the ground, now they just think fighter deserves to be nerfed now which takes 10x the effort
fuck off

>>181989818
with you? always splurt

>>181990248
Yes but it's only relevant if you're gunner or fighter

>>181989818
where the new pics

>>181990370
The meme of fighter being a high skill class needs to die. Nobody who actually plays fighter thinks that it is anymore. You would have to try to die in LB most of the time.

>>181990309
Goldrahda grab can't be blocked

everyone should just report that "fighter takes skill" guy. Seeing his shitty bait all day long gets really boring

>>181990515
Yes it can be. I do it all the time with katana.

>>181990534
>>181990490
Fighter takes more skill than all other classes combined.
I could multibox 12 forces and it'd be easier than playing one fighter.

>>181990212
>implying mother and PD compare to shitfest like everything in Ult Amd, Deus Hunar and 90% of the newer quest.

>>181990759
>Ult Amd
Only the sword dragon is bad. Anga only gives you trouble if you're a single weapon shitter
>Deus Hunar
He's a really fun fight and honestly one of the ones that gunslash would be able to deal with best given how quick his attacks are
>90% of the newer quest
Assuming you're talking about LQs most people can't deal with those regardless it's not unique to gunslash players

>>181990534
Fighter does take skill. You have to be able to parry enemy patterns.

>>181990951
>Parry enemy patterns
let me just tap a button with a massive window like every other melee class has to but get more reward :^)

>>181991072
The reward doesn't eliminate the fact that you need to be able to learn and respond to enemy patterns. This is a slippery slope.

I think they're going to nerf limit break next and hero might be the god
https://youtu.be/4yoXTF-teIg

>>181991278
>you need to be able to learn and respond to enemy patterns
literally every class

Did an FF14 crossposter really leave a suicide message in this general?

>>181991371
Would be a god-send for ff14 players. The drama queens that infest ffxiv are worse then the ones here.

>>181990534
Mad he can't play fighter and would rather complain about it than learn.

>>181991371
He left it in ffxivg

>>181991278
So have you never played fighter, or have you never played anything other than fighter?

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>>181991790
Here's your (you)

>play everyday
>log in today, 6 craft requests
>go into room
>no craft requests

I hate this so much, I want people that do this to drown in a sea of dicks

>>181991303
>solo videos
>relevant
No shit you all think Fighter is too good, you're looking at stupid shit that doesn't matter.

>>181991360
Since they're usually far away from danger, ranged classes don't need to do this as much; their dodge times are longer than average (bow is a bit of an odd situation). They can simply dodge on reaction.

>>181991975
That's not a counterargument. Where is your data?

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>>181992219
>bow getting btfo in ep5
never stops making me laugh

Why the fuck did I just get an S-rank on story board 4-7?

It said something like "Quest Progress 0/100" with a bunch of runes.

>>181992219
What? What are you even talking about dude

>>181991303
>EP5 launches
>people notice their class nerfed to uselessness
>change to FI
>the player base follows
>Sega notices the pattern
>no fun allowed so BAM, FI's limit break nerfed to 1 HP
>everyone switches to HERO, new class, so can't be nerfed

KMR: WHAT HAVE WE DONE
SGNM: you know what you did
SAKAI: wow those schoolgirl outfits look really great
MOMOI: kawaiiiii
ENOMOTO: eeeeeeeeeeeee
ICHITARO: /la dance2

>>181992601
What part are you responding to?

>>181992589
Err, A-rank

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>>181992438

>>181992665
The second part. What data are you even talking about? My point was that the things you are saying sound like someone who only knows a little bit about fighter, or only knows a little bit about classes other than fighter.

>>181992929
And I said this isn't a counteragument. By data, I mean where is your evidence that leads you to believe this? An assumption alone isn't an argument.

>>181992929
Fighter can only mess up once or else they die and they're always in melee range. The other melee are way tankier and can eat hits like candy while ranged is never in danger and have long dodges anyway.

I think Fi betas piss me off more than any other class now

>>181992002
I hate the idea of leveling Force.

>>181993232
They're nerfing it so you don't have to play inferior ranged classes. Rejoice

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what the fuck is this "Stinky" meme


how low did /pso2g/ go

>>181993614
actually kill yourself

>>181993614
lilith

REMINDER THAT DEADLY CIRCLE TYPE 0 LITERALLY HAS OVER 100 FRAMES OF GUARD POINTS ON IT

>>181993007
My own experience as a fighter? You can tank through pretty much anything with fornis daggers and massive hunter. You don't need to watch out for anything other than the biggest and most telegraphed of attacks, which can be very very very easily blocked by deadly circle.

>>181992125
Fighter is also top tier in 12 mans so i have no idea what you're crying about

>>181994235
Prove it.

>well known shitposters from shitpost teams shitpost ERP logs
>no replies
I never thought I'd see the day

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>trying to S-rank story quest 4-7
>make it through the first time
>eat it at ESC-A Falz Mother
>restart from the autosave and beat it
>lose points for resuming from a save
>lose points for TAKING DAMAGE
>A-rank
>try again from the start, doing the entire quest all at once
>100/100 for quest progress
>very low score for taking too much damage
>try yet a third time
>doing fine, only 2 dimates in when I get to ESC-A Falz Mother
>get hit by one of her enormous energy balls that I don't see coming from off-screen
>does over 1200 damage and one-shots me
>no halfdoll
>even if I had one, the damage would've pushed my score into A-rank again
>have to start all the way over from the very start if I even want a chance at S-rank
This is fucking garbage. No amount of star gems is worth this bullshit.

>>181994589
No offense dude, but you sound really, really bad. She shouldn't be able to attack at all since she has so little health.

>>181994025
That's for reminding me man.

>>181994723
What the fuck are you talking about? It forcibly cuts you off if you do too much damage. I got two satellite aims into my chain trigger, did 400k damage, and she exited her stun prematurely to move to the next phase.

Did you play on Easy Mode or something? The enemies scale to your level.

>>181994589
Why S rank it?
Who cares?

>>181994984
Fat star gem title reward

>>181994984
You get 50SG for getting an S-rank on it.

>>181994959
You should be able to kill the arms immediately. She won't have time to do shit, let alone a massive fuckoff attack.

>>181995126
It was literally right as her second stun ended. One of those huge fucking energy balls came from off-screen and hit me while I was killing a hand. As I was sitting at the halfdoll/retire prompt, the walls for her super attack went up.

I don't fucking know how she works, I've only ever even seen the EQ once.

>>181995296
Everything is telegraphed in some way, the meteor has a sound effect and a visual cue.

>>181995296
>One of those huge fucking energy balls came from off-screen and hit me while I was killing a hand
She doesn't have an attack like that.

Or wait, are you talking about Elder's meteor? Lol dude you can see that coming from a mile away

>>181995502
Stop trying to gaslight me, you prick. Go back to arguing about fighter.

>>181995621
>lilith this shit he cant clear a story boss
just uninstall you shitter

>>181995621
The elder hand fuck off outside the arena and starts forming a massive meteor, holds onto it for a second, then slowly lobs it to the center of the arena, all while the apprentice hand fucks off to the side of the arena and charges a laser. This lasts for like 10-15 seconds and should be noticeable to someone fighting her for even the first time.

If I do a Yamato EQ during the 150% boost week, does the post-Yamato rare drop boost stack with the boost week boost, giving 250% total RDR?

>>181996049
Yes, RDR can stack very high.

>>181995073
>>181995093
I see I must have S ranked it without even realizing it with little effort and just thought it was the reward for completing it.

>>181990073
I mean, it is. If all you like to do is Serpent Air until stun then Slash Rave into Kreisen. Maybe the odd Tri Impact 0 or Ein 0, Streiz when they're out of range. If your job isn't getting just high enough with Serpent that the enemy can't hit you and spamming Kreisen, then it's step attack Serpent spam into the other things.
Additional Bullet? Crappy mobbing, you only use it for the additional range for trash monsters who happen to have a ranged weakpoint it will hit reliably.
Thrillsplosion? Niche as fuck use and god forbid the boss moves and fucks up the ranged weakpoint hits midway. Oh wait that happens all the time. Any time it's a strike and ranged weakpoint you're really better off using strike.
Rage Dance or whatever is a crappier Ein with less step cancellable frames. Benefit is more strike than ranged scaling, but it's got shitter DPS so why even fucking bother.
Regenschlag? Pretty much just for the height IF the boss you're fighting has a targetable high up part, like Gryphon's wings. Its slow as fuck startup means you'll be missing even that fairly often. Only really felt use for this against Falz Loser when his clock wasn't vulnerable, which lets be honest, was a shit mpa for breaking clock before arms. Getting the target is a bitch too, forget about TPSing it right either.
If you can do half decent damage with Aiming Shot you're probably a ranger, stop using your gunslash.
5/11 PAs doesn't sound all that bad on paper, but in practice against a decent challenge you're really fucking limited compared to actual main class weapons. You don't have i-frames, there's no real benefit to tanking either that the weapon can offer. Two of your damage PAs (slash and kreisen) have backloaded damage and are slow as hell. You pretty much just spam Serpent Air because it shits on most of GS' PAs in DPS+speed+safety+DPP and step cancel any time anything winks at you.
Its doable and many have done GS runs for tough shit but its repetitive dull shit.

>>181992589
I have no idea which story missions are which after the change to the story board, but keep in mind some of the latter ones are damage-based, meaning you can't take X amount of damage

>>181997145
oh, I was too slow. gomenasai

>>181992589
is 4-7 a multipart on the moon or something? you probably took a shitload of damage.

How far behind Zeinesis are the Tokyo TDs?

>>181998674
I know fuck all about fighter but they're probably nearly even across a boss fight if Fi has 100% crit given it's 2% less overall damage with a 6% boost to weak points.

>>181998674
Wait until after Mother and I can check

>>181998674
Do you mean Zen or Quilf? Pretty far for Quilf, but not too far and actually ahead on weakpoints for Zen.

>>181999102
I meant Zein pot2, I don't want to spend the last pot3 I'll be able to afford on TD

How does the whole IP blocking thing work?
Is it just in SEA?

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ded

>>181999782
Too fast for me.

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>>181998674
TLDR: They aren't behind at all
This assumes you're using effort symbol ring which you should be

Boost week 100% or 150% triboost
Post-Yamato and Magatsu RDR boost
250% RDR boost
125% triboost
50% daily triboost
40% party triboost
Seasonal triboost items (Xie's donut, etc.)
15-20% RDR boost with Umblla Stick
Timed ability RDR boost on units
Karaage 10% triboost
Quna concert 10% triboost
Premium drink 10% RDR boost

Am I missing any more rare drop boosters?

>>181998942
>>181999102
>>182001192
Thank you all

>>182001406
lucky rise units
go full placebo and craft them to be LR3

>>181999651
Do they still IP block SEA? There's no more reason to since the SEA server went down.

>>182001783
They do
>>181999651
Only SEA is blocked

>>182001406
This is a dark hole you're going into. I did over 100 mother triggers during the 150%+100% boost week. Not even a 13*.

>>182002209
Deus and Yamato are a lot more generous with rare drops than Mother. I've gotten over 5 13*s from Deus and got two 13*s in a single Yamato run, and only got my first 13* from Mother last week.

>>182002421
The 14* rates aren't much better, they still haven't cracked 0.01%

>>182001406
you're missing EX RDR boost (+75%) or EX Triboost (+50%)

And there's 300% RDR and 150% Triboost too

>>182003689
That's going into a territory that costs real money though.

>>182003772
and premium didn't cost money? if you get prem, you might as well buy RDR bundles at AC shop

>>182003996
>15 USD for a month of fringe benefits but benefits nonetheless
>10 USD for 3 hours of RDR
Yeah they're totally comparable

>>182003996
Nice slippery slope
I bet you buy and finish a pizza
and then think might as well have one more and order another

>Have over a dozen things that need to be grinded
>Only enough dio drops to +35 one a week
Cost efficiently grinding is hell

So far PSIII isn't bad at all.

Fucking memesters smdh...

>>182005151
and back to facebook you go

>>182001192
This is not accurate. How much attack did you put on the zeinesis?

>>182005954
>This is not accurate
So have you're just talking out of your ass right? They're 10 s atk less and 2% pot damage less with a bonus 6% damage on weak points. They're absolutely that close.

>>182005954
The anon specifically asked for pot2 Zeinesis, not the affix doubler.

>>182005151
I found early game pretty tough, so that's what I say to most people. If you're enjoying it now, you'll love it later on.

>Web panel 2
>Already 2 rappy coin slots and it's only on row 2
nobody gives a fuck about ES Sega stop

ARKS Live in about eight hours
Don't expect anything new, just some details

July's PSO2 Station is on the 15th

the post-EQ boost for yamato is RDR, right?

>There are people here who don't always have xie's donut buff on
You get over an hour of buff per XHLQ run what's your excuse?

>>182007959
>arks live
lmao

>>182008370
I honestly forgot event doughnuts were a thing

>>182008390
what are you lmaoing about you dickfuck

>Hagith's dick seeking plasma balls before you kill the ships guns
Is there a more annoying thing in this game?

>>182009982
gitgud

>>182011630
more like gitstunned

Does mission level affect gathering loot?

>>182013068
No. Do it on normal with friend partners so mobs don't dick you out of gathering during fever.

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>1 fuse

>>182013861
Yes that's how that works what about it

>>182013068
Neat. I'm like 5 sapphires away from maxing my crit ring now. After that I just need sanctum gems and I'm good to go.

>>182013068
Quest difficulty does not affect gathering

Which R Ring should I get for Hero?

>>182016612
The way they phrased some things Hero might be able to equip more than one so I would just hold off until the next PSO2 station to worry about it.

>>182016612
Burn Resist

>>182001406
>Karaage 10% triboost
Koltova juice for 50% rdr
spf collab food for another 50%

>>182017168
da fuck is karaage

>>182018502
weeb for fried chicken nuggets

>>182018502
Poorfag's gathering food for rdr

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Plunder my booty, Qunachan

>>182018916
I want to plunder that booty alright

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>>182018916
>>182019946

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youkoso

I wonder how much of forces complaining about ep5 nerfs are just mad because they never bothered making a rainbow set or buying multiple skill trees.

How do you land Chain Trigger and Chain Finish?

Most of the time, with the way enemies flail all over the place, leap around the area, and have multiple points of lock-on, my CT winds up on the wrong body part because the enemy raised his hand or something, or worse, I go to set it off with a finisher and Satellite Aim decides to hit a nearby part rather than the part the CT is on.

How the fuck are you supposed to pull it off reliably?

>>182024030
I'm having this problem too, especially with ultimate bosses like Deadleon and that bird from Naberius. I can keep a chain easily on Deus and Mother's cores but on them it's a pain.

>>182024030
Oh, and then there are times when I land the chain trigger, and I go to activate finish with a PA, and... nothing happens. I'm hitting the right part; often the ONLY part, in the case of human-sized enemies like Ardem or Phaleg, but chain finish doesn't activate. What the fuck is with this?

>>182024030
>>182024163
Sometimes you just need to accept you can't use chain on cooldown. A good chain delayed by 15-20s is better than a completely screwed up chain. For example on Deadleon I typically wait until he either phase transitions or just does the recoil where he yells in pain to start chain to make sure Chain actually goes on his face. You just have to accept the circumstances, you're not always going to get an 80+ chain and some chain is better than none.
>Oh, and then there are times when I land the chain trigger, and I go to activate finish with a PA, and... nothing happens. I'm hitting the right part; often the ONLY part, in the case of human-sized enemies like Ardem or Phaleg, but chain finish doesn't activate. What the fuck is with this?
Welcome to Gunner, Sega has hated us since ep2 and still haven't fixed this bug

>still need six NT weapons to overlimit an NT to 35 and then 20 fuses to upgrade
>only need three OT for 60 element, 20 fuses, and instant 35
is this fair

>>182024413
Just bitch as much as Austere players did

>>182024413
Sega is giving you free stat VI fodder, what's the matter?

>>182024385
I may seriously go back to Hunter at this rate. I feel like my clear times have gone WAY UP and the fun that I'm having has gone WAY DOWN ever since I went back to Gu/Hu from Hu/Fi. It feels like the only time I'm doing as much (more) damage on Gu as I was on Hu is when I'm getting Chain Finish off. Mobbing ability seems way worse, too, which bums me out because I was really enjoying being the one clearing all the trash mobs.

Also, while I like the copious iframes on stylish roll, doing a just guard just FEELS so much better.

>>182024603
Gu is a masochist class, if you want to just have fun go play something else. I'm still mad that Gunner is joining Force in the ranks of "Sega adds QoL changes that players of that class have been begging to receive for ages but sticks them on a 14* to tell them to fuck off." At least force is (or was) good, Gunner has been a black sheep for ages. The only class more neglected is bouncer.

>>182024856
The 14* rod potential is honestly what every rod and talis SHOULD have (through a skill or something) but don't. It's unreasonable of Sega to expect most force players to obtain and grind/affix 12 good weapons for a single class.

>>182024856
>At least force is (or was) good, Gunner has been a black sheep for ages.
If you ignore the fact that gunner is in the top 4 best classes for relevant content, sure.

Will the upcoming boost week have an affixing boost?

>>182025061
Rainbow classes are kinda fucked up in general. With the exception of force, all the rainbow classes needed to grind/affix 6x more weapons than every other class just to perform worse. Why does the pso2 elemental system even exist? Surely no DB mains say "I love needing six weapons." The problem was so much worse pre-CFs. It was depressing seeing people with austere need to switch to a 9* to cover an uncommon element.

>>182025259
Yes, 10% affix/ot grind (including rings)/15% nt great success boost.

>>182025235
>It's ok for a class to have major faults if it's good at hitting motionless deus esca core

>>182025947
It's not okay for a class to have major faults
But every class has major faults

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This endgame grind with little visible progress is sucking the will to play out of me. I'm tired of grinding the same content to get dupes of the same item to smash together into a better version of the same item so that I can... ???

I don't think I'm going to make it. I've never met any of you in-game before, but I want you all to know that I love you, except for Lilith.

>>182025947
Wow some classes are better in some situations and worse in others. It's almost like you can switch classes at any time and should do so depending on the situation.

>>182026136
Is fighter's fault that DC-0 needs another hundred guard point frames
>>182026328
That's why I play Fighter now

>shitters crying about how they suck at gu
lamo

>>182025334
I'm annoyed by the idea of having to get multiple copies of anything

It's exacerbated by those classes sure but even just having to do so for element grinding and the 35 limit seems wrong. There are alternative methods like the element booster items and hundreds of class cubes but they're more like last resorts for the desperate or late.

>>182026369
Stance dancing existing as a mechanic is still some BS

>>182026558
Is that even a problem any more with bosses like PD and Elder irrelevant now? Fighter damage with the wrong stance is still higher than some other classes while under LB anyway

>>182026558
The general worthlessness of the chase branch

>>182026429
The good players aren't wasting their time with Gunner

>>182026909
except the top players in the whole game are mostly either gunners or fighters.

>>182026675
They're still "relevant" for other reasons. Building specifically for them these days is questionable though.

And even in that case making a whole section of the tree pointless is its own problem?

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>>182026984
Substantiate that claim

>>182027101
he said top, not majority.

>>182027101
I hope you're not suggesting that chart has anything to do with it

>>182026259
Good, quit while you're ahead. I'm too deep in this pit of despair.

>>182027410
>>182027420
Still waiting for the proof that Gunner is top tier. Gu can barely keep up with Fighter, Summoner and Force in content that favors Gu and falls behind everywhere else because those three classes have no weaknesses.

>>182027521
They beat force in many things and can come close to fighters. Also it's almost like force and summoner are being nerfed for the exact reason that they have no weaknesses???

Also it's not like you're providing evidence for that statement either.

>>182027641
It's night and day if you go from Gu to Fi. A single orchestra on my Fi who isn't as geared as my Gu is around 60% of the damage of a 99 chain DA. I blow my load on a chain for a few seconds that's possible to completely lose or get sub optimal chain stack because of npc behavior like deadleon deciding not to cooperate. Meanwhile, Fighter limit break lasts 60 fucking seconds and eclipses Gu in no time. Force and Summoner deserved to be nerfed into the ground but Fighter consistent dps being so high makes Gu burst pointless for anything that's vulnerable for more than like 8 seconds.

If so many top players are playing Gunner, it should be no problem to name a few right? Hard mode, you can't mention ares.

>>182027996
>Name one, but not this one because that would defeat my point
lol

>>182028145
If all the top players are gunner and fighter like >>182026984 suggests is it really so hard to name more than one single person?

Fighter is broken. I wish classes like Bo got half as many steroids as them.

I do worse DPS with fighter on Deus than gunner because I'm always too scared to use LB and get killed by a lightning bolt from nowhere.

>>182028376
I'm ok with being average or even slightly below damage with half the utility of fighter if they'd just fucking scrap the concept of rainbow palettes. Depending on how the nerfs go Force might be joining all the other rainbow classes at the bottom. I love needing 6x the gear for worse performance.

>>182028556
That's pretty much the catch. You either know how to dodge damn near everything (or are able to tank it), or you wimp out and just dont use LB thus heavily cutting into your dps.

Main thing that shits me during deus/gracia is that the forced cutscenes fuck with cooldowns and active durations, so I either LB before the final phase and enter it with like 10 seconds left and a 50 second cooldown, or I don't use it and he's able to jump up because mpa dps is too low.

>>182028730
Does Fi still do more damage than other melee classes even without LB?

new player here. really interested in playing force. how bad will force be in the new update?

>>182028903
In that situation you probably wouldn't even know what you were missing

>>182028831
Sometimes it does but not in lots of situations. With LB you become a god that eclipses almost every other class in the game though which is not hard in the age of Izane + Massive Hunter + Fornis
>>182028903
We don't know because we don't know the numbers on the tech buffs. It's basically guaranteed they're going to be worse than they are now but we don't know by how much. The bigger thing scaring me is how incredibly dry Force will be. Force play right now involves spamming a single tech over and over and using compounds. We're losing compounds so we're looking at 90 second blocks where we can't compound and PP conversion is down. Force PP regen without PPC involves equipping orbit and running around waiting for PP to recharge or equipping queen viera gunslash and shooting things so you can regain PP and go back to spamming a single tech over and over. It sounds really really dry and if Force doesn't end up good why would anyone want to play the class.

>>182028831
I'd say a distinct "no". Fi weapons excluding knuckles have a pretty low base s-atk, so the raw s-atk boosts for FI give a larger boost than the raw s-attk boosts for say HU. Depending on your build, you're potentially missing between to 200-400 s-atk, which is a considerable amount for FI.

>>182027101
>Most popular classes being buffed
>Least popular classes being nerfed
What did they mean by doing this while not also nerfing fighter

>>182030567
popularity isn't everything
player numbers are really an issue if something so blatantly better than anything else that everyone abandons what they've been doing for it

>elegant powers hovering around 80m per
S-atk affixing is really getting out of hand and it's going to get worse in ep5 with all melee buffs + hero too

>>182032827
sega can't fix the elegant price problem without either bringing them into regular rotation (wont happen until ep5 at some point probably), or flat out absolutely FLOODING the next special scratch with them in sheer number.

>>182032897
Just fixing noble would be more than enough to satisfy me personally, they go for 20m+ nowadays if they aren't in the current scratch. R-atk and T-atk pay a fraction of these prices.

>>182028556
>get killed by a lightning bolt from nowhere
Thats why you use izane set and get automate

>>182033234
It's messed up how getting izane to drop realistically increases your dps by allowing you to be a degenerate with Fighter more than getting most of the 14*s to drop would.

So what if future content just does enough damage that fighter can't face tank through it all with LB up no matter how much health they stack?

>>182016612
Assuming you keep swapping between pa's like they want you to then you cant go wrong with stuff like taja pp save/conversion/massive hunter for the utility depending if hero pas have super armor built in

>>182032953
You can blame noble skewing on the weapon selection:
S: sword, wired lance, partisan, double saber, twin daggers, knuckles, katana, dual blades
R: rifle, launcher, twin machinegun, bow
T: rod, talis, wand, jet boots
SR: gunslash
Basically, there are too many things that utilise S boosters compared to R/T. It's also in part why people have been dumping noble power in favour of noble (or elegant) stamina, they might as well improve survivability in exchange for a little extra attack.

>>182023730
Who is that guy and why is he even in this game?

Is the story a masterpiece?

>>182034248
No but Patty and Tiea are.

>>182034449
Only Tia is. Patty a shit, only good for her tits.

>>182034516
You don't like ogenki girls?

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>>182034248
Without a doubt.

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Hero mug

Of course material storage would be ac.

>>182038407
I miss the old darkers.
When we getting some new ones and not gay ass blue reskins (or bright orange ult reskins)

Apprentice Soul, Ether Factor, Modulator, Ability III. What else should I affix to my all-atk units?

>>182039678
doom break
elegant stamina

>>182039678
doom break goes hand in hand with abi3

>>182039802
Is there any affix that boosts abi3 or just mash 3 of them and hope for the best?

>>182040961
Doom break...

What boosts the transfer rate of Mark Couragena?

>>182041203
Marks cant be transfered

>>182039118
what? Does it just get 200 in the other stats since you have 200 in one?

>>182039362
Yep, of course. Fuck Sega.

>>182041669
Yep
>Tfw bought and have been leveling a R atk mag for no reason

>>182039362
>premium offering even less thanks to cross block matching
>not making material storage a preemium benefit or a one off purchase
fucking sega, they'll probably get huge complaints about this.

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>>182006574
Nothing seems hard after doing the first half of PSII mapless

>If you're enjoying it now, you'll love it later on.

Awesome, looking forward to it.

>>182042686
>doing shit before an official announcement
you're an idiot

>>182042905
>Expecting them to give 100% of the stats into the other stats of the mag
Just based off of precedent it would have been pretty safe to say 50%. Nobody expected it to be 100.

>>182043226
That doesn't you any less of an idiot. I wasn't expecting anything, and I was waiting for an official statement on it and this has saved me 3 bucks. Meanwhile your dumb ass went ahead, spent money on a new mag before we even know how it's going to work and now you're here whining. What's the fucking rush with a fucking mag? Not like they're increasing their prices, you idiot.

>>182043472
here we go another spergout

>>182043472
>being this upset because someone now has an ratk mag

>>182043472
Is making one post in a semi joking manner really whining? I get that you're probably the usual autism anon but that doesn't make you any less retarded.

>>182043472
holy shit dude take a break

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>630 in the middle of boat phase
>get back
>all blocks are full
>check the one I'm in
>there's a 7/12 mpa
>join that
>as soon as I get to campship, notice that people started the mission
>"why the fuck would they do that, its 8/12"
>first phase takes forever to finish
>at the start of the second phase, I finally notice why they started it with 8/12
>mfw its a team mpa
>hug everyone after we finish

>Nobody attacks the spirit bomb
>Nobody attacks the turrets
>Nobody attacks the ships rear
Why have people gone retarded since the Yamato update?

>fighter is only OP with Izane
>clearly this means the class is the problem, not the ability to face tank hits with limit break on
Fighter is fine, the only thing that needs to happen is that it actually stays a glass cannon.

>>182044069
Nah it's pretty op without Izane

can someone post the recipe on how to make the all atk units for hero?

>>182044069
fighter doesn't need izane
qliph units are better

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>>182043908
Slut.

Should I drop my favorite class for fighter?

>>182044532
no? why would you do that?

So am I supposed to be feeling like I do shit damage on Bo unless I hit a perfect spot for PBF? Even then I only feel like I'm doing damage up to par with everyone else.

Feels like bo is only useful for reaching high up weakpoints or constant shifta and deband refreshing

>>182044069
>>182044532
Can we get a new meme? This one is getting stale fast.

>>182044558
Because fighter is better

Which units should I be going for on gunner? I'm too late for qliphads, so what's the next best thing? Or should I just wait another few months until we get something new that's any good?

>>182044912
red shine rear for big dick damage and ray / union are good general purpose replacements for zein.

Are austere units still worth getting?

>>182046325
Yes, if you play force or bow braver.

>There's a launcher called Illegal Negro
lol

military TMGs or arena pot aura? what's better?

>>182047025
Military is almost equal to Zein normally and actually better when attacking weak points.

is meseta+50% good for anything
why is it even in the game

>>182047108
early on, meseta drops werent as shitty as we have right now, you also could sell equipment for decent cash

these days, save them for when a mesetan spawns and XQs

>>182046934
Them dropping from darkers also add to the fun.

>>182046934
There's even negro units bruh
also drop from darkers iirc

How commonly do ray units drop in the LQ?

>>182047840
You're not gonna get them.

>>182047840
I wouldn't say they're very common especially if you want them

>>182048212
What should I get for hero then?

>>182047840
I got the rear and arm without really grinding at all. The leg has been an absolute bitch to get and is the last 12* I need though.

>>182048408
There are legitimately no good options for units because Sega is retarded.

>>182048884
Qliphad is good though. Not their fault if you didn't go for them while you could.

>>182048884
I mean, there's red shine but that still leaves you without an arm and leg piece. I still don't understand why they put two rear units in the arena shop.

>Doing weekly tacos
>The campship fucking CRASHES
>I'm in the darker nest now
The fuck is going on

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Who here will try hero first and after the dust has settled and theorycrafters done the dirty job will make all attack type units if they are proven to be the "best"

>>182049724
as the general's hero it's only fair that i try hero first

>>182049724
more like try hero and then drop it because it's fucking bo tier trash

>>182049814
Nah, I already play better than most of you that my Bo is the same tier as your Fi.

>>182049802
i thought solus was the hero posterboy though?

>>182049814
>it's fucking bo tier trash
but bo under coolodowns is considered pretty awright no?

>inb4 hero is going to be super broken that everyone who haven't will scramble and level their shitty classes to 75

>>182049949
no, solus is an inferior version of me

>>182050025
who you

>>182048408
Austere rear and arm, then any 11/12* leg.

>>182049963
You mean there are people that don't already have all classes at least to 75?

>>182050743
>austere units in 2017
lmao

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Fazz

u

r no longer needed bb

>>182050984
haha nice graphics lol!

>>182050789
yes there are
what are you, retarded?

>>182051295
desu they should just cull all accounts with sub 1000h played and no longer allow new accounts to be created

>>182050743
how long would getting the dark nero fragments take?

>>182051790
Not nearly as long as getting the torana stones would.

>>182051790
It's an autism level grind

>>182051790
they call it autistere for a reason

>>182051790
You can just buy them on the shops. Rear costs 6m and arm costs 9.8m on ship 2.

>>182051860
You can exchange 20 2017 badges for them. That would be equal to 40 5th Anniversary tokens. Not very difficult at all really.

>>182052232
Oh. That's easier.
Are they worth it though compared to, say, union though?

How's Austere for gunners anyway?

>>182052443
Austere units (rear+arm) with a 12* leg give the most stats of any unit set at the cost of being down 2 ring slots.

>>182052564
Not that good since Gu has a lot of L/rings that they want to have and don't benefit that much from having lots of HP/PP due to how the class is designed so you'd be giving up fairly important things (ring slots) for minimal gain (HP/PP)

>>182052564
Toss Front S-Roll into the leg ring slot and equip the stance ring I guess? I can't think of anything else you'd need. I mean there are a ton of rings that are quality of life stuff like atomizer lovers that give you iframes when you use one, but they're not really necessary.

>>182052443
Very much so. The stats are the best in the game, and hero is confirmed to not have any new rings, so you don't have to worry about losing 2 L ring slots.

>>182052564
It's good as long as you're okay with living without air reversal, which is admittedly a pretty big loss.

>>182052803
Oh I forgot about High Time Keep.

>>182052842
yeah but hero is also confirmed to be shit so why would you buy units for it?

>>182053119
>confirmed to be shit
this meme is shit and so are you

Will katori bully stratos?
will mai furiendo end up getting some respect?
will saga finally get fed up witk katori's shit?
hope we find out in ep5

>>182052842
But are they still going to be top tier by the time I have enough meseta to affix them?

>>182027439
It's okay anon, I changed my mind, I'm still down here with you. Only death can save us now.

>>182053753
As in, how long are Austere units still going to be good?

>>182054832
Probably a very long time. They'd have to make some insane 12* units to match austere stats.

>>182050984
>Solus trying to start some shit when he paid for an LQ weapon camo

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>put chain trigger on an enemy's face/weak point
>build up a chain of like 70
>set it off with elder rebellion because satellite aim likes to hit the wrong parts
>the part breaks on the first hit and CT disappears
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHY WOULD THEY DESIGN IT LIKE THIS HOLY SHIT

>>182055982
While it does suck, your whole post screams shitter.

>>182055525
delete this

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It's summer.
Post summer.

>>182056986
Frank's cafe is nice. Dunno why everyone hangs in the gate area when all the basics are in franka's

How important is PP on your units? I can get a relatively easy 100/70/70 S atk R atk T atk unit set for hero but it wouldn't have any pp on it from affixes.

>>182057281
I'd wager it depends on class. Some are a lot more PP hungry than others. Coulda also look for skill rings like killing bonus or JAPP if your setup can't access those

>Say しゃわこボイス爆誕 in chat for Sawako Hata’s voice tickets.

Any of the Weapon Badge 2017 13* weapons worth using?

I've got like 900 5th anniversary badges, so I could theoretically get one with max affinity.

>Generally you’ll see them weak to Fire, but others might be Light.
The era of fire is here

>>182058174
Just get solo PD triggers. The 2017 badge shop weapons are alright but not anything worth really investing into.

>>182057191
Can't change class or get boosts or tek in Franka's.

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>>182056986
>tfw have 50 ether fuses because nu yamato keeps shitting 5+ for me each run

>>182059071
>can't change class
/mysetx
>get boosts
>not having a large stash of boosts
>untek
This is the only legit point. I'd rather idle in franka's cafe over the regular lobby because joining crossblock parties is faster due to lesser stuff needed to load.

>>182058174
If you play summoner, get the takt. Its potential will help you a lot in solo PD and unlike other 2017 badge weapons you don't need two of them to max the element and you don't need to affix it.

>got the new swag rear within the first 3 days of lq
>2 stat6 fodders for future weapons possibly 14s
>ether factor fodder making ready for affixing my new unit on boosh week
Ah feels nice to able to relax.

https://twitter.com/cheeto2014/status/883197068692598784
https://twitter.com/cheeto2014/status/883195869289467905

>>182056130
>suboptimal play when solo makes you a shitter
>suboptimal play in a game where all relevant content is just a 12-man zerg DPS race that allows you to be grouped with 11 other people wearing mismatched +0 9 star units on XH and still succeed
Do you even play with anyone outside your circlejerk? You have no idea what shitter even means anymore.

>>182061674
But you're a shitter, why would you chain something that's going to make it fall off

>>182061838
This is exactly what the astronauts from Pioneer 2 had in mind when they went out into space.

>a black guy having an online relationship via pso2 with an obese american
>they're both obviously not gay
https://twitter.com/cheeto2014/status/883065059110518787

>>182062796
>Name yourself after a trash tier anime character
>Somehow make a character worse than the character you're named after
At least cosplay Enju you'll look less garbage.

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>>182062796

leveling feels really slow
am I doing something wrong? Should I be spamming advance quests or something?

>>182062960
That's not the worst part, his character is actually an imitation of some random JP on twitter he likes to steal other shit from
https://twitter.com/out69_pso

>>182062791
>>182062796
>>182062969
why is it that 90% of the people who play this game are pathetic thirsty homos? Are they so detached from reality that they can't separate the person from the game character and actually think they're in a relationship with that character, or are they just so lonely they'll take whatever they can get?

>>182063251
>When you have 0 creativity you steal other peoples content and act like it's yours
Wait till you see those ERP logs lmao

>>182062960
>>182062791
>>182063251
fuck off lilith. atleast my character looks better than all you characetrs combined including your shitty matoi clone

>>182063395
Shit am I today's Lilith? How do I start the usual shit storm?

>>182063331
>anime game with tons of revealing clothing and otaku pandering
>with a general
>why is everyone so gay

>>182063395
>When you've reached numerous amounts of lows you start defending yourself behind liliths name

>>182063572
>>182063490
>>182063516
>lilith this salty i called him out on his bullshit and afk'ing in VR
pottery