/pg/ - Persona General

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I love Ann!

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She's mine /pg/

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robot is forever!!

>>181882262
You mother fuck

No canon romance discussion below this post allowed.

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Quick Ann claim.
Model.
Compassionate.
Proud. Love her.

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I can't wait for Persona 5 Akechi Goro of the Resurrection!

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Kawaclaimed.
Kawawriter looking for ideas

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Could you, you know, not "get" with Makoto?

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Spin off incoming faggots
>>181882421
Please look forward to the spin off!

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>>181882301
>Makoto beats every other girl in every poll, Japanese or Western, by a landslide.
FAKE NEWS!

>>181882354
Ryuji saves everybody's lives in Shido's Palace.

Ann... uh.. convinces that Noble in Shido's Palace to give up his card? Even though they ended up fighting him anyway? I guess she helped with Yusuke.

You got me on Yusuke. Yusuke's awesome but worthless.

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Snuggling with Sadayo

Phantom is from Sumaru City!

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no bullying

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Obligatory Makoto post

>>181882414
Uh, okay? I'm just getting ahead of the waifufaggotry here, anon

why is the thread so lively?
where did all these -fags suddenly come from?

>>181882626
I already put (your waifu) in the trash where she belongs

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he's mine /pg/

>>181882531
You can deny claims about your poor taste but you can't deny reality.

>>181882390
>>181882646
>>181882709
Makotofags are the worst

>>181882684
Well at least /pg/ is not dead

Ann!!
https://i.imgur.com/U3vyGNM.png

>>181882724
Only normie plebeian trash would choose Makoto, the least wifeable candidate in P5.

Them's the facts.

How are you feeling?

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>>181882882
Pretty good anon

>>181882684
Futabafags come from /v/, notice how they just showed up out of nowhere? Just look how fucking obnoxious they're acting

>>181882535
>You got me on Yusuke. Yusuke's awesome but worthless.

Yusuke is primarily comic relief, but he's also the one who makes the calling cards and is the only one to notice shit is getting weird with the Phantom Thieves rise in popularity.

>>181882850
>not posting images on an imageboard
You baka-ass nigger.

>>181882850
Why would you post an imgur link instead of posting a picture regularly?

>>181882912
>4chan
>not 2chan
ONE JOB!

>>181882882
I wanna plat the game but I'm torn between starting all over again with Japanese voices or using a save I got from August.

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We have to deescalate the tension before it becomes another waifu war shitstorm.

/pg/, what was your favourite Palace?

>>181882514
Reiji had some mad abs in his second year. Joker needs to git gud.

>there will never be another Takashi Kido fanfic

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>>181883023

>>181882795
Not that anon but my problem isn't that Makoto doesn't take credit for the ruse cruise, it's that everyone else acts like she is. It's bad writing that someone at Atlus put in because she's their waifu or so it seems.

>>181882850
Hello, Reddit!

>>181882989
>>181883007
The file is malicious apparently, so I can't upload it here.

>>181882912
All correct except
>art

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>>181883050
Casino

>>181883050
Bank
then Casino
then Boat
then Castle
then Space Ship
then Museum
then Pyramid

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>>181883121
Luckily I have a non malicious version.

>>181883121
>>181882989
>>181883007
webp isn't supported you idiots

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>>181883050
Tomb

>>181883121
>infecting the entire thread
Wow, thanks a lot.

>>181883054
“You didn’t have phones and internet. Cut me some slack here.”

Yeah, Reiji literally said the same thing in the fic.

>>181883050
Casino

>>181883194
what the fuck is webp

>>181883050
>/pg/, what was your favourite Palace?

Sae > Futaba > Kaneshiro > Madarame > Kamoshida > Shit > Okumura > Shido

>>181883121
annefags are the worst

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>>181882960
But I'm literally always here. I just don't post Futaba unless it's brought up. Or I find new art.

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>>181882850
Don't click on these, it'll give you the donut virus

>>181883101
>bad writing
I won't disagree with you there, but saying that "she does literally everything" like the other anon was saying is just stupid

>P5 PC port still not announced

>Akechi complains that he can't get adult attention and care
>Sae bothers with him enough to take him out for sushi sometimes
>According to Makoto, she even relies on his intelligence and values him as a person
>Akechi doesn't seem surprised by this and chases after muh daddy's love
Defend this

>>181883050
Casino is objectively the best, but Pyramid has amazing music and Boat has baller design, rats notwithstanding. Bank is dull and Space is the fucking worst

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>>181883185
Thanks

>>181883354
August 2nd 2018

>>181883380
Daddy issues make you fucking retarded.
Next question.

>>181883269
Some shitty format no one uses but imgur

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Is ryuji a homophobe?

>>181883349
That's the thing, she doesn't but the rest of the PT acts like she did for no reason other than "lol look at how super special awesome we made the "lead female""

>>181883050
Castle > Casino > Art Gallery > Bank > Boat > Tomb > Space

>>181883243
>calling Yukino "aunt" as your cheeky way to call her a hag

I could see Joker do this.

>>181883349
There's no reason Makoto needs to be the strategist. You have Morgana (an actual thief) and Joker for that. Since Makoto is the one that comes up with everything you do, why even have Joker be the leader?

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>>181883509
Closet gays are the most likely to talk shit about the gay community.

>>181883101
>>181883349
I just played that part and I disagree. I don't think it was bad writing, and I don't think everybody overly praises Makoto. Makoto's the one that came up with the plan and she did logistics work. The person who did most of the legwork was Futaba considering she had to hack Akechi's phone to record it AND to launch him into the Metaverse. And none of it would be possible without Joker and Morgana discovering the pancakes thing.

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>>181883387
no problem

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Men who have canonically ravaged Whoro's boipussy:
-Shido
-SIU director
-Principal Kobayakawa
-One or more foster parents
-Social services workers

Who else?

>>181883385
Of course. But I've never met a waifufag brigade that didn't have its share.

Unless only because the fanbase just plain don't exist.

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Teacher! Ann's texting in class, I saw her!!

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>>181883587
THE GAY COMMUNITY?!

>>181883512
Not really. I really don't get what people mean when they say this stuff.

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>>181883583
>Makoto recruits herself as a """tactician"""
>does literally nothing, Joker is still in charge of everything

>>181883603
>Makoto's the one that came up with the plan

>>181883684
snitches get stitches, bitch.

>>181883583
Because Joker is a silent protagonist, that's a fault of the decision to keep that.

>>181883630
Nyarly in his Abyss

>>181883583
I think of it this way, she is the tactician who comes up with the overall plan, Joker is the Field commander who directs the PT's in the metaverse as well as act's as the president of the PT's
>>181883512
Yeah occasionally it's a bit jarring when they do it, but she isn't the only one this happens to. People seem to forget that Futaba also gets this kind of treatment
>>181883603
Again I think people just seem to forget how important Futaba is
>>181883765
Futaba came up with that phone plan, Makoto came up with the interrogation room plan

>>181883765
the plan being to hack his phone, that conversation was Joker and Morgana asking Futaba to devise something to get evidence that Akechi was a traitor

>>181883630
-Joker
-Cognitive Goro

>>181883684
>Ann sits in front of you
>Never talks to you ever outside of the first day of school
Missed opportunity desu, give me more scenes with my waifu.

>>181883765
She came up with a plan to bug Akechi's phone.
Makoto came up with "Drag him to the Metaverse and let him kill a Cognitive Joker", which Futaba's hacking skills made possible.

>>181883684
Is Kawakami the type of person who would pick on Ann in class if she found out Joker was cheating on her with her

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>>181883684
Please don't make me show what she sent me to the class.

>>181883874
I was pissed that I had to savescum my dreams to rank her up faster instead of just fucking talking to her.

>>181883838
I don't think people forget how important Futaba is. If anything they ascribe too much importance to her. Talk about Futaba for a while and it's impossible for somebody to not bring up the term deus ex machina

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>>181883925
point proven, don't steal my wife's glory

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Guys, guys... Does it really matter which whore is the main whore? They all look the same from behind, right? Whiever's idea it was, it was still just a dumb woman who made it.

>really like Haru's look as a phantom thief
>she has very little plot relevance and is just sort of there because she joins so late

Oh look we're having the "Futaba and Makoto's rues cruse" again
for the tenth time this month

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>>181883874
That bothered me too. Surely it will be a feature added in the re-release.

>>181884087
she had enough time to develop, her problem is that she just has a boring generic personality. I wish she was a cunt or something, something to make me care about her.

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>>181883630
Akechi is not used goods.

He died a kissless virgin, most likely.

He was an 'unwanted' child afterall.

>>181884002
>deus ex machina
I know what what you mean, but Futaba's hacking skills was literally their only way out and that's the fault of the game's plot

>>181883761
What I mean is that Makoto's ideas aren't anything super complex or out of the box, yet the PTs treat her like the genius of their generation and that jammies my jimmies, personally

>>181883838
Futaba is less insulting because she really is a genius in-universe, even if she doesn't show it as much as she should. She had more to do with the success of the ruse than anyone barring Joker, but it's all "oh wow, Makoto's plan was awesome"

>>181883975
I saw something like that once, Kawakami catches Joker and Ann texting and she gets mad I guess

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Where are my Pixie doujins?

>>181883838
Yes, but why isn't the role of the strategist for Morgana? The person that actually knows about palaces and thievery? I think that could work even better because you could have a way to partially attribute the plans to Joker as well if he's constantly with Morgana.

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>>181883975
Kawakami would sink into despair if she found out Joker was cheating on her.

and find comfort in Ms. Usami

Do you go into Futaba's palace the same day you send the calling card? Or is it the next day like the other palaces?

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>>181884164
Seemed like she had a different personality earlier on

>>181883727
GAY-J STYLES!!!

>>181884021
Based adachi with the truth

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>>181883976
>not posting the higher res version

>Because the protagonists in the Persona series do not speak, the Persona 3 character was designed to be the introverted type, the Persona 4 character to be the type who talks with his expressions, and so on. For Persona 5, Soejima imagined the type who plans things but does not talk about them.
Why does Joker never get any credit for any of PT's plans? It's always only Futaba and Makoto.

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>>181883874
Speaking of interactions, anyone else tired about how you have to keep your dating secret from the group? The older girls I can kind of understand, but I'd of loved to let Ryuji and Mishima in on the gossip.

>>181884164
Atlas will probably never add a real bitchy cunt again. Yukari is the meanest we're gonna get, can't have any girls insult the player anymore, though.

>>181884257
yeah, you go in the next day

>>181884193
Whoro's asshole is so loose he needs diapers. His adult-baby fetish doesn't help either.

>>181883975
Joker would never cheat on his cake waifu

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>>181884395
Kawakami is for brewing coffee while Joker is plowing sloots in the attic above her

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>>181884110
This has to be the most confusing line in the game.

>She's in literally every class with you
>You can spend your entire day with her
>You even have "work" together

Usually people need space. Anne apparently just wanted to be your conjoined twin

>>181884205
not sure why

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it: Makoto was more important than Futaba for that Akechi plan. All Futaba did was bug Akechi and get remote access to a phone. It was way more impressive that she basically took over all the TVs in down town.

>>181884361
Marie constantly insulted the player.
With both her words and existence.

>>181882912
>might be sadist
>might be

>>181884331
Idk, it's kinda weird that they put that scene in where Ryuji talks to you about you wanting to date Ann but that's about it other than the girl you're dating blushing when you're asked of you ever want to get married.

Sojiro finds out at the end of the game at least.

>>181884305
>sees areolas
MIIISHIMMMAAAAAAA

>>181884454
>Anne literally only drinks energy shots and soda
Why isn't she at least Chie level hyper? Or dead?

>>181884549
That's why I phone posted :^)

>>181884549
no, that's just her boobs blushing

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>it's a "Makotofags try to take credit for everything positive everyone else does and say Makoto was solely responsible" episode
HOO boy.

>>181884504
That doesn't count and I'm insulted that you even brought her up.

>>181884361
>can't have any girls insult the player anymore
But anon, that's my fetish

>>181884549
Areolas are fine, only nipples aren't.
Which I guess means inverted nipples don't have to be censored

>>181884586
She doesn't drink soda. She specifically asks for non-carbonated drinks.

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>>181884586
I don't think she's actually much of a soda drinker. After her awakening Ryuji buys drinks for you and her and she asks for whichever one isn't carbonated but they both are.

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>>181884454
I would have no problem with her staying next to me forever. I may not always want to talk, but I would never object to feeling her near me.

It's not like couples aren't like this anyway. Kids will go to school together, talk to each other nonstop in class, then text each other nonstop when they're away.

>>181884235
>but why isn't the role of the strategist for Morgana?
Just like his relationship with Ann, he got cucked out of it. Serious answer: Morgana shows later on that he barely knows anything about the metaverse outside of the basics. After the introduction to mementos, idt he ever brings up any more new information about it. Also Makoto does plans for the real world too, idt that Morgana has any experience in that department
>>181884205
>Futaba is less insulting
Idk a lot of her actions in her introduction were pretty dumb, like her suddenly hacking medjed after sleeping for 3 weeks nonstop and don't even get me started on the shido calling card. Again you could argue that this is the same thing as the "muh tactician" excuse but I digress.
>She had more to do with the success of the ruse than anyone barring Joker, but it's all "oh wow, Makoto's plan was awesome"
Again Futaba came up with the phone plan, Makoto came up with the interrogation room plan. The "wow she did every" is just bad writing

>>181884674
>nipples don't have to be censored
I guess we found a loophole

>>181884205
>yet the PTs treat her like the genius of their generation and that jammies my jimmies, personally
Not really. I never once got that impression. I always felt, at best, the team treated the team right and really only mocked Ann and Ryuji for not being too bright, and Yusuke could go either way. There wasn't a single moment where I felt praise wasn't fine.

Are the Phantom Thieves just?

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>>181884452
>implying any of those bitches and whores will set foot in my attic unless strictly on business
>implying I'd let anyone but my lovely meido partake in the comfy atmosphere of after hours LeBlanc

>>181884754
I agree that he gets cucked out of it, but that is a huge problem with the game's writing. Make Joker the real-world connection, and make Morgana the palace genius. Honestly my guess is that they wanted a student council character on the team, but they couldn't figure out a way for her to contribute to the team besides being smart.

>>181884498
She also created the program to remotely access the Meta Nav, a recording to keep Sae in the building, and then activated it again by a timer.

>>181884867
just what?

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>>181883975
>>181884395
It's not cheating if you were never dating the teacher in the first place.

>>181884087
At least she isn't poor Yusuke, who joins early then may as well as not exist for the rest of the game, as far as plot is concerned.

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>>181884868
>There will never be a direct sequel where Joker graduates and moves in with Kawakami.

>>181884950
JUST

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>>181884389
If Akechi's boipussy was so loose, he wouldn't be complaining that nobody wants him. Getting fucked by old men implies they desired him, even for some time.

>>181884515
Sojiro and anyone you're two timing, but they seem to hand wave the latter. Other than that you can only drop a couple of hints.

At least in P4G you could have everyone walk in on you and your date in the cabin, which was pretty much coming clean.

>>181884931
absolute madman

>>181884754
I don't think it's bad writing. It's what her role on the team is. It'd be bad writing if they handled strategy any other way, IMO. Part of me does wish that everybody had a part in the plan, especially if it utilized their own unique talents in some way, but I could see it being difficult to work in having to draw something or whatever.

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>>181884931

>>181884964
T O O H E A V Y
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>>181884931
Hoo boy

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>>181882525
Idea for smut eh?
>Kawakami starts birth control for the first time because she's going out with joker.
>her boobs get swollen and she can barely fit into her maid costume, her sweater starts riding up in the front and her students start complimenting on her now "perky" figure.

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>>181884931
I really don't like inverted nipples, but they're connected to Sae so that makes up for it.

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>>181884257
I thought you went in almost as soon as you hand her the calling card.

>>181884975
Yusuke is going to get it even worse than Fsteak or Protein in terms of flanderizing.

Protein at least got jacked and may or may not be fucking every girl in universe.

>>181884935
that's what I meant by remote access, she basically just used Joker's phone from a distance. The recording isn't a big deal, any of us could do that, and I don't think it was activated again by timer.

>>181885213
I meant that, whoops

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Wow sae's a bitch.

>>181885226
Yusuke should've been the guy that did research on mythology before a dungeon. I loved it when he did research on Medjed and their connection to Egyptian mythology. Then everyone shits on him for focusing on unrelated shit like mythology, in a world where everything is based off of mythology.

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>>181884931
hoo boy

>>181884964
>being this wrong
Sad

>>181884754
>like her suddenly hacking medjed after sleeping for 3 weeks nonstop and don't even get me started on the shido calling card.
I was talking more about the whole comeupance plan thing. The Medjed case I feel is more bad writing because it had to be the same whether the player completed the Palace day 1 or on the last possible opportunity. Shido's was just too anime, I'll give you that.

>>181885020
Whoro knows their desire is fleeting, and none of them will stick around once they find another twink with daddy issues.

>>181884331
>anyone else tired about how you have to keep your dating secret from the group?
Japan.

>>181885229
>The recording isn't a big deal, any of us could do that, and I don't think it was activated again by timer.
You can't call or use your phone in the Metaverse beyond the Metanav. Futaba had to remotely access the phone and then set a timer to activate a message to distract Sae before remotely taking them back on a timer because they couldn't get a signal into that world.

>>181885302
She's under a lot of stress, she gets better later.

>>181883874
>implying its not like real life

Screw real interaction this is 2017 we only text message

>>181885342
I hope in Crimson, Yusuke randomly brings up the story of the Demiurge and Satanael in the first ten hours.

>>181885302
It gets better

>>181884925
The reason why she has to though is because of this
>Make Joker the real-world connection
He's a silent protagonist, he can't do these things. If he did it would be Morgana telling and suggesting him actions and ideas and judging by the fanbases' reaction to him telling you to sleep, this isn't a very good idea. Having Makoto act as a way to develop these plans allows the silent protagonist to exist, I think that's why there so many people that claim she's like a FeMC.
>>181885071
>Part of me does wish that everybody had a part in the plan
This. If everybody did their share then I guarantee you that there wouldn't nearly be as many people who complain about Makoto. The shido palace was a great example of this, having everyone use their skills that make them unique to achieve the goal. Unfortunately this is poorly utilized and results in Makoto and Futaba being the only useful/relevant PT's outside their initial arc's
Idk about Haru tho

>>181885342
Yeah, but other than foreshadowing for the audience, that information was actually unimportant. It had no bearing on the mission.

>>181885378
Oh, you mean the recording was activated by timer. I thought you meant the MetaNav was activated via timer. Either way, she set up a recording and had it activated via a timer. It's not unimpressive but I think it's not as big a deal as what Makoto does, or even what Futaba will do later in the story.

>>181885425
I would talk to my friends who sat next to me in high school. And that was only like 2 years ago

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>>181883727
BAWD GAHD KING!!!

>>181885609
>Oh, you mean the recording was activated by timer. I thought you meant the MetaNav was activated via timer.
Both were. Futaba had to create a program to make the phone think someone was using it, set it to play a message, and then set it to activate and deactivate the Metanav on a timer so that Sae and Goro would enter and leave together.

cheating on your girlfriends:
>Kawakami notices different coloured hair in the attic while cleaning up.
>Tae gets saliva samples and find not only Jokers DNA
>Ohya has stake out and takes pictures of you cheating on her.
>Chihaya consults the cards for the truth.
>Futaba sees all your texts.
>Haru smells perfume on your body.
>Makoto bribes Morgan's to spill the beans
>Ann grills you until you get caught in s lie.
>Hifumi [has no idea]

>>181885476
Ryuji's an athlete/the muscle
Morgana can turn into a car, can fit into small places, and is one of the 4 party members that isn't a dummy
Ann's sexy and a model
Yusuke is an artist
Makoto's the strategist
Futaba's the tech
Haru's rich

>>181885740
>things that would never happen because I would never cheat on my waifu

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>>181885376
Goro is not a Whoro!

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>>181885302
The only reason you have time to think about that is because you depend on someone else.
You don't have to do a single thing and you're provided with food, clothes, a home.
I've had no time to think on such ridiculous thoughts.
'Would Dad have been happy with them?'
I don't care! He died upholding some lofty sense of righteousness, leaving all his responsibilities on us.
Isn't it about time you grew up and acknowledged our situation?
Right now you're useless to me.

All you do is eat away at my life.

>>181885739
I don't think that's what happened, that last part. Sae certainly didn't leave at the same time as Akechi because she was outside the MetaNav while in the Interrogation Room, while Akechi was either still in there or had just left.

>>181882525
Kawakami runs out of string when crafting tools and tries plucking some pubic hairs to finish the work.

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>>181885836
For god's sake sis, I tell you every week...

The batteries are in the top drawer in the hallway cabinet, right next to your lube and your otome games.

Why the fuck is the second male character in every game Emperor

Akihiko, Kanji, Yusuke

>>181885836
That was my favourite part on NG+. Makoto deserves more abuse.

>>181885903
The reason they needed to keep Sae in the building was to make sure Goro left. They had no way of forcing him out otherwise. And then he'd walk outside and see the Casino.

>>181886067
Why the fuck does it matter?

>>181885508
Then perhaps they should've made it important.

>>181885476
He's a silent protagonist still, but he also has a remarkable amount of personality for one. It's also worth mentioning that in P3 and P4, you were somewhat limited in your scope as a leader, but I never really felt unnecessarily held back in P5 like I did with Makoto. In P3, despite being the field leader, you're joining a preexisting group and still defer to Mitsuru. In P4, no one has any particular expertise, and even if you're not following the story, the Q/A sessios you get with Yosuke where you can see if you're understanding what's happening or have it explained to you help to reinforce the idea of you being the leader. In P5, you are basically just Ryuji or Ann, except better. You have no unique skills besides being a better fighter.

>>181886042
This is offensive. Delet this immediately

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>>181886067
Because best boy arcana

>>181884931
Ok this has been up for a while so theory confirmed

>>181886042
I'll take "shit that makes no sense" for 1000 Alex.

>>181886067
Why is P5 the only game to not have a female party member that starts with "Yu"?

These are the questions we need to answer.

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>>181886042
>>181886153
No, have another.

>>181886243
>who is Yusuke

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>>181886146
>Then perhaps they should've made it important.

>>181886204
It's AU fan wankery.

>>181886120
I've actually asked that question to /pg/ before and everybody told me that you leave the MetaVerse upon walking past the place that you entered at. If that's true, then Akechi left shortly after leaving the Interrogation Room, and Sae left when she returned back after the recorded message.

To be fair, I personally don't remember that explanation in the game.

>>181886280
Ok this is cute

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>>181886243

>>181886280
Thank you good sir!

>>181886042
wait
wait
He was 18 in 2010 and 42 in 2005?

>>181885378
>Japan
Yeah, I guess it really is that simple.

>>181885476
Shido's palace was the exception to the norm and even then all the interactions ended up in fights anyway. Most of the time (and in previous Personas) you have one or two leading the rest who are only really used for banter and combat. That's the problem when you have to juggle all those wacky characters.

>>181886301
>female
I hope they don't pull the blue hair = reverse trap thing again

>>181886359
He's a time traveler, there are actually two Akihikos in this universe

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>>181886359
That's Akihiko for ya.

>trying to make FeMC canon
My sides

>>181886341
I like this design better

>>181886280
what the fuck is he doing with that newspaper
Is he about to smack her with it?

>>181886310
It's not really explained. I believe you need your phone to leave. Returning to the same spot is likely a better idea so you don't, you know, pop back into existence in a weird place. Like roaming Kamoshida's Palace and then appearing in the middle of a classroom.

>>181884331
>anyone else tired about how you have to keep your dating secret from the group?
that would require to program flags and write multiple scenarios that are simply too much work for the hacks at Atlus

>>181885776
I agree with you on Ryuji/Makoto/Futaba. The problem is the others.
>Ann's sexy and a model
This is hammered into your head way too much and only adds to her irrelevancy after her inital arc. It's amazing how the only thing that comes of it is that her beatuty works as a great negotiating tactic. (yes I know all PT's have a similar ability)
>Yusuke is an artist
Yeah and outside of calling cards and skill cards, he doesn't really do anything. They needed him to be more like how he was during the okumura arc. He questioned the target's validity and was very perceptive to the situation. They should have kept this going and added something else.
>Haru's rich
And she's does fuck all with the money outside of destinyland. She definitely needs work
>Morgana can turn into a car, can fit into small places, and is one of the 4 party members that isn't a dummy
The big one, yes he's useful but he isn't very bright. He has , and I'm putting it nicely, somewhat limited knowledge of the metaverse and isn't very smart. Again this might be because of bad writing but the okumura arc shows me that he isn't.

>>181886572
>>181886042
>>181886042
This is actually the dumbest shit I've ever seen

>tripfag

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>>181886591
Play DeSu 2 then

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>>181882912
>makoto
>canon waifu

>>181886620
Why do they really need important roles which are constantly needed?

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>>181886572

>>181886572
This is the stupidest AU yet. Dumber than Joker being Tatsuya and Jun's gayby and Joker being Reiji's son.

>>181886280
>>181886572
I'd rather deal with the Ryujifag than have to look at this shit

>>181886620
>The big one, yes he's useful but he isn't very bright

Morgana is actually a genius. He somehow manages to remember a conversation about pancakes from over half a year ago when it's important.

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>P3 Remake
>FeMC is no longer another route, but the obligatory added waifu
>she represents MC's will to live, a part of his personality split off from the trauma
>Voiced by Laura Bailey

Y/N?

>>181886770
>Joker being Reiji's son
H-he isn't?

>>181886697
reminder to report him cause he keeps changing his name and trip so you can't filter him

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>>181886818
Alright well this is the last one, she isn't that bad of an artist she just has an obsession with Akihiko and this weird headcanon

>>181886892
for what purpose

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>>181886892
Y Y Y Y

>>181886937
Has akihiko ever been seen drinking a fucking coffee?

>>181886572
Piano black hair dye, not a hairclip.

>>181886754
Because why are they in the story if they don't contribute? It becomes pretty boring when every heist turns into
>Makoto tells you what to do
>Futaba unrealistically hacks something
>everyone else just kills stuff

>>181886308
I mean they fucked by for once having a character that acknowledges the influence of mythology in-universe, and then never have that knowledge actually be relevant.

>>181886863
I'm sure they were suspecting him from the moment that happened so it wouldn't be that hard to remember.

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>>181886958
>>181886973

>>181886937
I found it cute even if it didn't make sense as if any other head canons make sense at all

>>181886958
My dick

She can be a voice into the MC's brain and also be cute. She won't be a party member or anything. She can even say that you'd look cuter with short hair, foreshadowing that you're identical to Ryoji except for the haircut.

>>181886892
Street Fighter did that first weirdly enough

>>181886907
Shhh... he totally is. So d-don't worry. It'll happen for s-sure!

>>181886892
>Laura Bailey
>ever touching weeb shit again

pick one

>>181886613
I don't think you're going to find many companies that are willing to write that much extra dialogue for so many scenes.

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>>181886892

>>181887049
>Because why are they in the story if they don't contribute?
I mean, why is contributing the end all be all? Everybody loves Yusuke but he's basically completely worthless the entire story. But it doesn't matter because Yusuke is great. There's more to a character than just a resume of their accomplishments.

>>181886341
"Sae, I'm becoming an artist!"
>Sae mutters a "that's nice" while reading an article
"I mean, right now. Yusuke told me I had potential."
>Sae looks up and spits her drink, too shocked to laugh
"And well, I'm moving in with him."
>Sae slams her laptop closed and starts telling Makoto off. She gives Makoto an ultimatum, stay here and get college funded or leave and get loans.
"You don't have to worry about that, in not going to college anymore!"
>Sae's rage causes her to throw the computer charger across the room, the laptop flying with it
>"this is the dumbest idea you've ever told me"
"It wasn't my idea, I have to give credit to Ryuji. He gave me the plan to drop out of high school too in order to work full time on my art."
>Sae is curled up into a ball, rocking back and forth. Grey hairs are strewn about the floor and more are being pulled out

>>181886754
they don't necessarily need roles, they just need to have something they can bring to the table that is actually relevant. Otherwise you get characters like Ann and Haru
>>181886863
I mean yeah that was big, but having good memory doesn't automatically make him a genius
>>181886146
Again, bad writing excuse. They could have done better, but the way they presented it does make some sense though. But it isn't just Makoto that does this, looking back at the PT's meetings, they all talk non-stop and only occasionally ask you a question to make sure you are still holding the controller. There is no input regardless of who is dominating the conversation

What will these threads be like when there's a huge influx of PC players that emulated P5?

>>181887049
>Because why are they in the story if they don't contribute?
Because they're your friends and teammates and you already have an emotional attachment to the characters in story and hopefully in reality.

Also as >>181887179
notes, you're just supposed to like Yusuke. You want Yusuke around because he's cool.

>I mean they fucked by for once having a character that acknowledges the influence of mythology in-universe, and then never have that knowledge actually be relevant.

>>181887269
won't matter, P6 will already be out

>>181887124
Man I remember when Gears of War was an important game series.

The year was 1978... Tsun Zu had just united the Prussian empire from the shores of the Nile all the way to Chichen Itza

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>>181887124
No! No! She'll come back! She can't leave us!

at least Burch won't be coming back now that she's on strike indefinitely

>>181887082
Takashi Kido, uh, makes timeline sense.

>>181887238
>Otherwise you get characters like Ann and Haru
Then we need more of that.

>>181887269
by next year you'll have another game to be discussing

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>>181887269
I don't even want to know

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>english dub

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>>181887238
>Otherwise you get characters like Ann and Haru

I'm not seeing the issue.

>tfw shorter than your waifu

>>181887409
>>181887358
There was some kind of update to that emulator recently and it's looking somewhat playable.

>>181887501
I hope your waifu is Sae anon

>>181887390
>>181887472
I'm not talking about waifus, I'm talking about characters in a story. Thank you for missing my point

>>181887269
Even fucking worse
PCfags are a menace to society


>>181887468
>He doesn't think Laura Bailey's Rise voice is pure sex
>He doesn't get hard just from watching the midnight channel

>>181884931
Does this mean inverted nipples are fair game?

>>181887501
Is your waifu Sae?

>>181887534
>looking somewhat playable
>stutters everywhere
>randomly crashes all the time

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Makoto only becomes, or feels like, the main character by virtue of the fact that Joker isn't allowed to have genuine agency or take the lead on conversations. Despite who he is, or how important he is, due to bullshit Persona/Japanese tropes the man barely talks or does anything of any consequence in a group setting. With that in place, Makoto ends up getting relegated to doing everything that Joker would be more than capable of doing.

It's just shit tropes and constrictive writing.

If you blur your eyes a little bit and cross east with west, Makoto ends up doing all the shit the Inquisitor or Shepherd might end up doing with regard to actual main story shit while Joker does all the characterization and bond-building. It's simply a matter of the fact that he isn't allowed to talk so he can't lead. Everytime it comes down to brainstorming ideas, people merely ask his permission or for an aswer to an obvious question.

I can only hope SOME DAY the Japanese cast off these bonds of antiquity and allow the main character to fucking talk. I still have just as many western waifus despite having a character with a fucking personality and emotion.

>>181887534
"Playable" on an overclocked 350 dollars CPU

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I like Futaba.

>>181887550
I personally thought Haru was boring and I think that's the worst thing a character can be. I thought Ann was great. My opinion isn't really based on how little they personally helped the team.

I am Futaba

>>181887550
I missed it intentionally because they're good characters. I'd rather have more of them even if they don't somehow magically affect the plotline than not have them. Hell, almost NO ONE in P3 has any major plot relevancy and the game would be worse without them.

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>>181887639
Me too!

>>181887561
Also yes, Laura Bailey's 'sexy' voice is amazing.

>>181887542
>>181887581
>Sae is 6 feet tall
Wow

>>181887579
Or Mishima is sleeping

Heartbeat, Heartbreak > Want To Be Close > Beneath the Mask

>>181887610
Hell no, i don't like the idea of being a leader!

>>181887561
Laura Bailey's voice is only boner inducing when it's soothing and deep, and not the that high pitched SEEEENPAIIIIII! bullshit

>>181887780
Isn't she the best?

>>181887542
>>181887581
Yes actually

>>181887764
>haru
>anne
>good characters

>>181887610
I think it's interesting that everybody focuses on Makoto because she's the logical one who strategizes. But there's no rule book out there that says the Protagonist has to be like that. I say if we're going to have a Protag with an actual character, make him a meat head or something. Something I haven't seen before.

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>>181887269
>>181887561
Would it get worse? Maybe more shitposting but what else is new? Might get more Futfags since they would romanticise her NEET lifestyle.

>>181887639
you don't love her?

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>>181887792
then someone add hifumi to this

>>181887867
Haru's getting dumped if Sae ever becomes romanceable, I'll say that much.

>>181887926
Ohya isn't on there either.

>>181887709
>Haru was boring
People say that its cause of bad writing/ pacing but I found her boring because she does fuck all in the story besides opening ONE door. If she had actually done something it probably would have been memorable and I wouldn't have found her boring
>>181887764
>they're good characters
Yes, but with tons of wasted potential. They do absolutely nothing outside of their arcs and thus become forgettable

>>181887901
aren't pretty much all shonen protags in manga and anime like that?

>>181887780
Stop spreading lies.

>>181887873
>your favorite character
>good
>green text makes it true

>>181887989
Why not?

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>>181887958
>Haru's getting dumped

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>>181887561
>complains about PCfags in persona general
>when the majority here have already beat the majority of the games on emulators
ALSO
>new people flowing in, discussing the game
>less waifufaggotry
>something bad

PT ability/skill division chart:
>Ryuji
muscle, distraction, runner

>Ann
seduction, acting, field information gathering

>Makoto
planning, supervision, research

>Futaba
hacking, navigation, intel, communication

>Yusuke
perception, counterfeiting, detail planning, general presentation

>Haru
funding, interrogation, evidence destruction

>Morgana
instruction, infiltration, getaway

>Joker
leading, front man, combat specialist

>>181887610
Yosuke and Naoto did the same thing in P4.
Other P3 characters kind of did that except there really wasn't a lot of plot for the first 2/3 of the game for them to dump exposition over.

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>>181888035
Wait, you mean to tell me this isn't real?

>>181888035
How tall is she then?

>>181888005
>People say that its cause of bad writing/ pacing but I found her boring because she does fuck all in the story besides opening ONE door. If she had actually done something it probably would have been memorable and I wouldn't have found her boring
I personally found her boring because of her personality. I think that you could've put Haru at the very beginning of the game and given her the utmost plot relevance and I'd feel the same way. The problem isn't under-utilization, but that she just isn't a very interesting person.

But this is all subjective, I understand if you guys feel differently.

>>181887926
What is that in Sae's bush? the tiniest bandage known to man?

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what if they announce nothing good at August? I'll have nothing to live for.

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>>181887901
Games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect at the very least allow you to slip into several different personalities. I'll always believe that having Joker/Yu/Anybodyfucking else have ANY personality rather than being this terrifying void persont that's just a doll people talk to and inexplicably trust.

Hell, at several points while building links in P5 characters just say: "I just trust you for some reason and feel comfortable sharing deep dark secrets." while that's not particularly jarring in itself, coupling it with the fact that Joker is still ultimately more characterized than Yu, he's still about as engaging as an untuned TV and only a leader by virtue of having the wild card in essence.

Just try and imagine Joker or Yu as a supporting character, with just as much dialogue as you get in the actual game.

>>181888005
>They do absolutely nothing outside of their arcs and thus become forgettable
But people do remember them. Often quite fondly. I sure as heck don't remember characters because they did something in the plot. I remember them for the things they say and how they act. Stop worrying about what else a character could have done in some theoretical world where a Persona game can last 500 years.

>>181887273
>>181887179
I guess I can see your point. When it comes down to it, my issue is that I don't really like Makoto as a character, so I don't feel particularly happy when she takes such a prominent role in every single heist. Ann and Yusuke were my favorite characters in the PT. And I want a chance to applaud them at some point for actually doing something in a heist. It's like cheering for your favorite team as they lose every time.

>>181887858
Nah, it's sexy all of the time.

I wish all girls I liked had her voice.

>>181884164
I blame more of the story setting on the lack of more intimate group interactions. In P3, everyone lived under the same roof. In P4, everyone went to the same school and had downtime between the fog setting in on their side, giving them the liberty to do more group-related shit (beach, festivals, winter break, etc.). In P5, PT don't get an honest moment of rest to engage in any group bonding.

Compared to SEES and the Investigation Team, almost everyone in PT feels emotionally disconnected from one another. It's always some sort of business they must tend to. Summer break? Nah we need to figure out how to stop a cyber terrorist group from doxxing us. School festival? Oh fuck Akechi knows who we are. Winter Break? Oh shit you're in jail. Joker's life fucking sucks.

>>181888186
No official height but in heels she's still shorter than Joker

>>181888424
Honestly, SEES feels more disconnected to me. They all lived under one roof, but they felt like they kept to their own little groups.

>>181888140
I like it, if only they would implement this
>>181888191
Not a Harufag but I can see why people like her/found her interesting. But you're right its subjective
>>181888306
Ok so ignoring the memorability of a character, what is the point, from a story perspective, to have included when they add next to nothing?

>>181888297
it's difficult with a game like Persona because a lot of what appeals to people is the self-insert, making-decisions, etc. appeal. I think the perfect reconciliation would be making it like The Witcher 3, where the Protagonist is a defined person and the choices that the player are always internally consistent with that person's personality.

Of course my perfect world would be a completely static character and take away any decision-making for dialogue except for maybe once or twice in the game, in special circumstances. But I know I'm pretty much the only person in here who would prefer that, and I accept that.

>>181887610
>the main character has to do literally everything or he isn't the main character
what
Also, Makoto doesn't take over the phantom thieves and leads everyone during the main story, I honestly have no idea where you guys got that idea. She has a lot of screen time during planing, yes, and she does come up with a lot a suggestions of their next course of action, which is not strange for a tactician, but most of the time Joker is the one who everyone looks to for the final word on what should and should not be done.

>>181888651
FURSONA!

>>181888589
>what is the point, from a story perspective, to have included when they add next to nothing?
Comic relief. Flavoring. Their story adds to the theme of the work. Another voice for a different character to bounce off of. There's like a million reasons you can have a character in a story beyond their actions directly furthering the plot.

>>181888702
>Also, Makoto doesn't take over the phantom thieves and leads everyone during the main story, I honestly have no idea where you guys got that idea.
This. I'm honestly at a loss for where this comes from.

I think haru would have been more interesting with more moments like telling yusuke to shut up when he kept telling mouse puns. Her getting real annoyed at the group and possibly even not liking them. She'd only be in the group because she likes Morgana. age could be the rich girl that calls out Ann's unladylike behaviours, ryuji's stupidity, yusuke's annoyingness, and makoto's bossiness. All because she is still secerely accusing them of killing her father, no maybe that's too much.

>>181888940
Makoto is smart and comes up with strategy. People associate that with being a leader. Joker is the leader, Ergo, people conflate Makoto's role in the story with her usurping Joker's position.

>>181888702
It's pretty shallow though. You really don't have any agency. Makoto comes up with the plan, you get a choice of 3 options that are all variants of "okay," then you do it. I sure as hell don't feel like I'm the leader just because I'm always the one getting the last word.

>>181888794
I get that, but I still want them to contribute more besides being a muscle or another talking figure during a meeting

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>>181888702
There's no need for hyperbole, obviously she doesn't take over the phantom thieves. The points made stand though, while Joker is the main character because we follow HIS story and HIS offtime, Makoto often comes off as the leader because she does a lot of talking, and interacting with enemies and the group in the planning stages which ends up being rather vital for characterization.

The consequence of such is accidently making her appear overcapable and like a mary sue due to her having to do thinks that Joke could, or SHOULD, be doing in essence. Things that a leader of a group might actually do. Of course it's possible that a leader doesn't have to do everything themselves and the work could feel more evenly distributed between the team, but as the others have noted it ends up falling squarely on Makoto a lot of the time due to Ann/Ryuji being too human and unexceptional in anything other than combat capacity.

You can call it rain and I can call it sleet but these are the ultimately the complaints people have.

>>181888651
Is Goro a turkey? A pheasant? Why not just make him a crow?

Ryuji would definitely be a jock character.

>>181888297
I'd love it if Dragon Age Origins' conversation system went into P6. No voiced lines, but you're given much more choice and also more chances to have your say. Companions chime in less than in Persona, but you can actually have proper conversations with them. It's also much more believable that the MC is the leader. Might be too much of a departure from what we're used to though.

Want to point out though that Mass Effect and later Dragon Age games suffer a bit as you don't know what you're going to say until you choose the option - a deathknell in a social sim JRPG.

>>181889092
Wanting to see more of a character is fine. But forcing everyone into some plot mandatory role doesn't really fix this. Maybe somehow every Palace needs someone to draw a thing to open doors. Yusuke is now super important. Does this make him a better character? Not really.

>>181888180
Holy cow!

>>181889146
>I'd love it if Dragon Age Origins' conversation system went into P6.
"People help me, Joker"
YES
NO
>SARCASTIC

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Why is the issue of female initiated date rape in Japan ignored?

>>181888342
I guess I see your point. But if we're being real here, with all the Waifu Wars /pg/ has a culture of making you want to pick a side or whatever. But you'd enjoy the game more if you try to approach it differently. Don't think of it like character relevance, as tenuous a concept that is aside, is a score board. You'd be happier just trying to appreciate all the characters in the game and the journey itself.

>>181888180
DEATH BY SNU SNU!

>>181888424
>It's always some sort of business they must tend to. Summer break? Nah we need to figure out how to stop a cyber terrorist group from doxxing us. School festival? Oh fuck Akechi knows who we are. Winter Break? Oh shit you're in jail.
I hate how there is no clear-cut between PTing and free time.
I know it's incredibly important to the plot but it's tiring how no matter what you can't escape hearing about PTs, Akechi and the current arc in general. There is no real downtime even when you are doing Confidants.

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>>181889146
>you don't know what you're going to say until you choose the option

I mean if we're going to strike on that, I'd like to point out that exactly that was what ruins L.A. Noire. It's never nice to fail an interrogation because doubt meant threatening to cut a guys balls off when all you wanted to do was suggest he really did know the number on the back of the taxi.

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>>181889146
I agree and totally believe that a compromise between those two systems could really work in Persona's favor without compromising its essence. Forgotten realms rpgs and other such games still got away with the player having a sense of agency and assertiveness without necessarily being voiced. It gets a little weird with everyone else talking and the main character NOT talking though.

Persona protaganists end up so being SO tabula rasa that they don't feel even remotely like real or authentic people in the midst of a pretty well written cast.

The issue is verisimillitude.

>>181889405
They have to resort to desperate measures because of the low birth rate.

>>181889084
And you were never the leader of any heists in GTAV because Lester came up with all the plans and you just got to choose which one you preferred.

>>181889254
>Does this make him a better character?
You're right it doesn't but from a narrative standpoint it gives him so relevancy and importance. I'm not trying to say that giving them bigger roles would improve the characters, I'm saying that if they all did a relatively equal amount of things the PT's team dynamic would have been much better. The game kinda feels like the Joker/Makoto/Futaba in a catbus show with the other;s tagging along

>>181888651
>turkey

Which of them is the MC because MC doesn't have red eyes.

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She's mine /pg/

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>>181889509
>>181889405
>No doujins where Rise drugs Yu and fucks him

>>181889389
Sometimes you'd get to ask questions though which might let you find a different method of tackling the problem. I don't know, maybe it'd just be flawed but in a other ways.