/rlg/ - Roguelike General

first for x0m

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4th win. I'm getting better. Playing chei definitely helps with improvement, and it keeps things a little more interesting

>>181481454
Come play online, friend.
Chei a shit by the btw.

If ponyposter reall left and venereal disease got banned for being excessively obnoxious, who will keep /rlg/ alive now?

>>181482321
I will do my best, but I do have a job now.

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>>181481881
I legit can't. My net is so terrible that I get dropped from the server, no matter which one I try. When I am connected its like 30 seconds between turns. I wish I could.

no bully pls chei is bro tier

>craft knife spear with damaged stick
>comes out undamaged
>gets damaged from use
>disassemble and get my damaged stick back
>reassemble
>perfect condition again
Magic.

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God damn it. I just finished a Nemelex Wizard, I wanted to try something else (Maybe Kiku? Sif? Vehemut?)
But finding this fucker on Dungeon 2 makes it awfully tempting.
I think I might just save this file and restart, using it when I want to play another nemwiz.

>>181482321
found the rat

for the guy who was asking about mellis, gods in Ivan get angry based on the difference between them and the other gods you pray to, and some get angry faster than others. as long as you start them off with some offerings they tend to stay happy if you just keep praying every 2.5 hours. personally I like getting mellis Lori seges dulcis and Atavus since they tend to stay happy after the first set of offers. you're limited by the alters you find but polymorph can help make different ones
posted on my phone for you rlg

>>181483264
Nemelex fucking sucks.

>>181484649
Not in version .14 he doesn't, look at the image again.

>>181484780
Nemelex fucking sucked in 0.14 more than he sucks now.

>>181484873
Why? Please enlighten me.

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>>181482426

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What're the differences between Angband and DCSS?

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>>181485617

>>181485014
Inventory-clogging sacrifice-based/piety upon exploration god which requires ?/c spam until you've memorized every card and manages to inject the """fun""" of
>you miss
>you miss
>you hit.
>you hit but do no damage
>you miss
>you hit!!!!!!
into evoking charge-based items.

Nemelex is the fucking prime case for why the
>don't remove it, just keep it in and improve it, it can't be that hard
meme is a retarded argument.

Granted: he's powerful now, because you get shitloads of summon decks and summon decks are retardedly strong, but he still fucking sucks to play.

>>181486358
You are incorrect.

>>181486462
Wrong, idiot.

>>181486462
No.
Play MiBe or don't play DCSS at all

>>181486548
Sure thing, OTabber

>>181480765
i can only worship xom the other gods are boring

>>181485992
Angband is really old-school and hard to play because there are very few quality of life improvements compared to crawl
Poschengband is a much better fork if you want to play a *band

otherwise, think of crawl as /v/ and angband as /jp/

>scroll of brand weapon turn the demon whip into a vampiric one
I'm probably winning this one

>>181489308
>hard to play because there are very few quality of life improvements
isn't Vainilla pretty good on this front?
it's just the variants like PCB that forked off of it a million years ago and haven't ported over any of the QOL shit since then

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>>181489308
If Crawl is /v/ and Angband is /jp/, then what're the /tg/ and /m/ of roguelikes?

>>181489308
whoa my bad, I forgot elona is the /jp/ of roguelikes. Now I'm not sure what the board angband corresponds to? /tg/? /a/?

>>181491940
the /tg/ of roguelikes is definitely dnd first edition adventure modules

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>>181492736
Tomb of Horrors roguelike when?

>>181491940
incursion is /tg/
gearhead is /m/

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>>181494192
What's Caves of Qud, then? It seems pretty fun desu.

>>181494312
reddit

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>>181494487
But I thought DCSS was the reddit of roguelikes?

>>181494487
I thought that would be Ivan
>DUDEBANANAS

>>181494562
All anons share the same opinions and agree with eachother, yes you are correct: it is impossible to understand how what one anon says might contradict another's statement because we are all basically the same person. Fuck off you dumb cunt.

>>181494562
>replies without reading the reply chain

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>>181494703

>>181494487
caves of qud is more popular on somethingawful than reddit tbqh

>>181494487
Qud is SA
Cogmind is Reddit

>>181494942
>>181495387
Qud isn't pretentious enough to be SA.

>>181495575
quddev is literally a goon

>>181495624
Qud isn't pretentious enough to be SA.

>>181495624
Not just a normal goon either, a moderator of several boards or something.

>>181495908
???? no he isn't
i think he + cogmind dev are moderators of the roguelikedev board on reddit though

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>>181496103
Hmm.
Well I wonder how you know this.

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>>181496453
no clue senpai

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>>181496610
>You hear a distant screeching!

>>181496453
Following that logic, you must browse SA.

>>181496729
DESU someone posted a screen here of one of his posts and I thought I remembeted him being a mod. Agon seemed so certain though (and now we know why).

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>>181497261
Egg on my face for giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Are spoilered bogdanoffs the new rick roll?
I think they are so epic.
Epic enough to be included as a race in slex? We must consult the amy.

>>181498787
the bogdanoffs are ok but not as great as masturbating to crazy frog

Welp, my razorgirl died. She survived longer than I thought she had any right to.

Even freezing and terribly wounded and with her arms broken already on day 2 (and 0 medical skill to make a splint with) she tore through a zombie soldier, a brute, and a shocker, as well as some other miscellaneous Zs, stunlocking them and slicing them to bits.
She was suffering teleport sickness from the damned Mi-go, however, and she suddenly teleported through the wall of a library I came to loot, and that's how she discovered there was a roadblock with turrets set up on the front side. Even then, she managed to run further than I expected before she died from the hail of bullets.

Apparently that razorboy/girl profession is pretty decent because she blew right through a number of nasty situations where most of my early characters would have died on the spot. That subdermal alloy armor made her hard to kill, and adding slashing damage on top of martial arts is fun.
7/10 maybe not the most optimized starting character I've played, but way fun.

>>181497535
Who is this guy? Can I get a quick rundown on him?

Caves of Qud is on sale. Is it fleshed out enough to be good, or would it be better to wait until it releases in full?

>>181501261
The latter.

Just started DCSS, going with a Gargoyle Earth Elementalist.

Anything I should know?

>>181503143
Walk away from monsters that look dangerous whenever possible.
Rest to recover your MP after fights.
It's important to pick up stones to fuel sandblast, a ridiculously good and mana efficient spell.
Don't use sandblast against enemies wearing heavier armour, use stone arrow or Rapid Deconstruction for that.
Eat corpses of dudes after killing them before eating your rations.
Train only earth with a tiny bit of conjurations, fighting, and dodging. Get enough spellcasting to have spell levels to memorize all your spells.
Do not underestimate passwall, it is an extremely good escape spell if you know the layout of the level.
Petrify is extremely good, either use it to escape from single foes, block corridors, or petrify a nearby monster, then when its friends come by, Rapid Deconstruction it up to hurt the friends and heavily damage the petrified guy.
Stick to armour which is lighter than ring mail, try to keep your spell failure rates lower than 10%, and ideally lower than 4%.
Pray at a vehumet or okawaru altar when you find one.

Hope that helps, good luck, don't die.

>>181503658
How do I tell which ones have armour?

>>181480608
Bad threads should die. That was a bad thread full of shitposts.

>>181503787
Press 'x', move your cursor over the monster, and it will list what the monster is wearing/wielding. You can also press 'v' for more information. I recommend doing this a lot if you are new. Knowing what monsters are capable of is important. Mainly only humanoids wield weapons.

Oh also, if you see an orc, try and lure it around a corner. Orcs often spawn in packs, and one early orc monster is the orc priest, who can hit you for up to 17 damage (which ignores AC and magic resistance) whenever you have him in view. This is extremely dangerous for a gargoyle who trades HP for really strong natural AC.

You want to have them in sight for as short a time as possible, and be hitting them with spells whenever that are.

>>181504220
Welp, just got nuked by an Orc priest, you weren't kidding haha

>>181505115
I told you not to die anon. Why did you die?
Why did you betray me?

>>181505240
I did my best, I'm just bad :(

>>181505307
Okay, I forgive you. As long as you try your best and learn from your mistakes, I will always be here to help you out and answer your questions.

>>181505416
Chur, I'm trying again

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Pretty good ride desu.

>>181505549
Are you playing online or locally?

>>181507801
Locally

How the hell to capture balls work in poschengband? Game is so vague I'm scared to blow all my cash just to test them out.

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>tfw you accidentally download the masters of PosChengBand, GearHead 1, and GearHead 2 and have no idea how to compile them or what to do with them

>>181508250
wield in a weapon slot
Activate
aim at capturable monster
capture them
activate again to release

>>181508639
Learning to compile will be the greatest non-gameplay related decision in your entire roguelike career desu.

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>>181508718
buying tips on how to compile

>>181508718
Does this make them into pets or is it just to get bounties?

>>181442117
Damn, I missed the fun. At least I agree with him on Snake, which is a fucking abomination and my least liked location in the game, save for extended.

>>181441116
Minmay seems to have a specific vision of the game and he's smart enough to provide arguments for this vision. He's also autistic enough to be completely sure that he's right and you're wrong, so there's the problem. At least his autism does some good things sometimes, like his code dives to explain some mechanics and formulas of Crawl, and the code base of Crawl isn't exactly the most readable one in the world.

How important is stealth for (octopode) casters?
I imagine being able to walk around a few corners and having enemies forget about you, letting you rest up your mana again, is pretty powerful.
But I'm a badplayer and don't know how useful stealth is in general for non-stabbers.

>>181509008
Stealth is equally useful for anyone. Want to avoid that adder on D:2? Here you go. Want to avoid that caustic shrike pack in Depths? Here you go. Want to avoid those two fiends over there in the random Pan level? Stealth to the rescue.

Basically, stealth is tremendously useful very early on, then its usefulness decreases for anything that isn't a stabber as the game goes (and carrying the orb halves your stealth anyway), then it's useful once again in Pan and to lesser extent in Hells.

That said, casters make a lot of noise on their own, so remember to lure things away from unexplored territory unless you want to attract more things at the same time. By the way, the noise meter is a great addition to the game.

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Hexer guy from Hep is pretty rad, managed to hex even orb guardians.

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Interesting tech.

>>181509665
oh i guess i should have taken the photograph when it was confused and not dead

What's the recommended terminal font for playing ascii roguelikes? I like the font to be somewhat good looking at big sizes

>>181510114
I was using DejaVu for a long time since it has outstanding unicode plane coverage, however, I am using Fira now (see >>181509665 >>181507415 ) and liking it quite a bit.
Many people go with ubuntu mono, it's a great font with good character support and comes standard on pretty much everything.

I also like Liberation, but a lot of people seem to dislike it for some reason and the character support is not great.

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Easy come easy go ;_;

>die
>immediately remember i have something i could have used to avoid the situation in the first place

>>181498787
Amy here. What the heck is a "bogdanoff" even supposed to be? Are they special in any way? Any specific techniques, resistances or something?

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Grey draconian with ring of ice in inventory in need of spell advice. Where do I go from this? I've got a lovely bunch of utility now, but I'm clueless on the effectiveness of higher level spells (because I splat around lair always)

>>181512697
Don't you recognize them from TV? Otherwise you should ask for a quick rundown I suppose

Ice Form is much better than people give it credit for.
- No casting penalties, and since it melds armor, you may actually get better spell chance if you wear something heavier than a robe.
- You can cast Ozocubu's Armor on top of it for some reason.
- Not just rC+, but rC+++. Also rPois, 20% HP and enough AC to not make the loss of robe + aux armor AC noticeable at all, making it possibly a defensive boost spell for casters.
- Doesn't even lower EV for large races.
- Brings your move speed to 1.0, meaning it makes frogs and nagas actually faster, like Spider Form.
- Makes you swim, deep water included, so you can kite monsters into water where they will fumble their attacks or use it to run away.
- Raw damage per aut is the same as statue form, without counting the freezing brand bonus.
- Freezing brand slows a lot of things in Lair, including hydras.

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Hmm, simulacrum+bolt of cold+metabolic englaciation @1139 gold or book of undeath (simulacrum+dchan+recall) @1040 gold?
Thoughts?
Am an ogre with highest skills throwing staves necro fighting hexes and a staff a death.

>>181513408
I mean I could also go for invisibility, but that's a cowardly spell for tiny losers.

>>181512835
What books do you have?

>>181513681
Book of conjurations, book of minor magic, book of air, sif muna's volume of good luck.
Spells I can memorize are in the bottom right of >>181512835

>>181513769
You want IMB and swiftness.
Throw icicle is a decent single target conjuration, but nothing special.

>>181513854
I'll work on getting those, thanks.
But what makes IMB more valuable than Force Lance?

>>181512835
Air spells are a waste because of your apt. Just get IMB or Throw Icicle (latter is better but useless against rC+ monsters) and train some fighting skills (weapon, fighting, dodging) in the meantime. Alternatively you can get neither of these and rely on Fulminant Prism while waiting for later Vehumet gifts, but if you say you're bad, you'd probably do better with switching Prism with one of those mentioned above.

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>tfw nobody touched my OpEn for a month or two
Aww..

>>181514016
Force lance is a fun spell, but its best element is the pushback, not the damage. I'm not saying "don't get it", but if you want to do damage to dudes, you should grab IMB.

Swiftness is, no joke, one of the best spells in the game. Use it to escape from dudes, use it to reposition to a hallway or some shit, use the fuck out of it on the orb run. It's amazing. Just don't use it unless you expect most of your next 15 or so turns to be movement turns.

How come good rougelikes have odd control scemes or poor UI?

Not saying their bad, or not useable. But why not have them made easier to use?

>>181514708
That's because they're old and in those times people were masochists fucks with computers

>>181514825
I really want to make difficult rougelike that show inspiration from the ones. Just modernize it. Maybe normies will actually like them. Just the interface puts them off.

>>181514918
the interface won't lure in normies, the whole genre is too autistic. If you decide to a make a roguelike and modernize it remember to not pander to normies since it won't work

>>181515082
No no I understand. As much as I liked games like dungeons of dreadmore It was very shallow and simple. I like the depth of stuff like DCSS.

I just need..the motivation. ;_;

>>181515252
Congratulations, roguelikes and motivation go hand in hand. Since you won't make any money off of them you only have that, good luck.

>>181515331
I honestly would not mind not making much. I'd love to have recognition for making something memorable.

Ofc I'd make some normie game to make a lot of money.

>>181515453
if you want recognition for making a memorable roguelike you have to make it free and then you'll have a t least a bit of approval from here

>>181515574
>approval from /vg/

I could die happy knowing I made some fellow autists happy.

God dammit. I need to start.

>>181515613
Rev up those design documents.

nazi roguelike pls

>>181508758
Depends on the game, but usually just make sure you have your dependencies and read the instructions.
>>181508816
Monsters released from capture balls are pets.

>>181515252
Imagine become a meme in /rlg/, wouldn't that be enough motivitation? You spend 1 year of work to become a meme for a half year

Holy cow ghosts in DCSS are stronk

>>181516341
Kill self? [y/Y]

>>181516501
Well yes, they're the ghost of other players and other players are stronk.
Use dispel undead on them when you get it.

>>181510930
Not that guy, but Fira looks amazing. Thanks for the tip!

>>181496103
cogmind dev is one of the moderators of roguelikedev, yeah. but he's the only one who's really active on the subreddit.

Is Iron shot worth it if vehumet hasn't gifted me with a blt yet?

>>181521416
vehumet gifts spells, not sandwiches

>>181521507
Fuck didn't even notice, it's not a problem anymore anyway

>>181517502
>>181517502
or berserk and tabtabtab

ded

Where is everyone? I know you don't have jobs.

>>181527591
Im too busy doing important stuff on the interwebs

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who should I choose?
make it interesting!

>>181529030
Hepli

>>181529136
here we go,
I hope I at least get to Lair this time.

>>181529030
>noisemaker
THE ONE AND ONLY

>>181529248
Use your ancestor as a meatshield and poke enemies from behind him.

>>181529457
tru

lol@ this guy sperging out about trannies in the channel. people are so intolerant

>crawl community on the forums is trash.
>crawl community on reddit is cancer.

I didn't even know there was a roguelikes general. I wish more than ~35 people posted here though, seems small. Thank god though, I couldn't take the autism of the forums/reddit anymore. I know you guys are autistic too but you're a good form of autism :)

>>181533947
>you guys are autistic too but you're a good form of autism :)

I guess you weren't here for the shitfest that was the last thread.

>>181533947
you better integrate fast or you better get out now

>>181534037
I saw it, didn't post in it. Nazi posting is better than the shit that gets posted on reddit and the tavern though.
>>181534054
It's okay I'm not from reddit, I just wasn't aware there was a general on 4chan so I went there. Every time I go to reddit I'm reminded how shit it is.

>>181534714
go rejoin the chat channel and bust out more of that misogyny bruh shit was hilarious

>>181535329
>chat channel
wot?

>>181535603
freenode webchat and join ##crawl

>>181535329
Don't know what you're talking about. Never posted on forums or reddit just browsed. Never even visited IRC

>>181535852
try the irc. you can see minmay's retardation in live action

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Yay. Wave at the guardian, kids.

Is Demonspawn Berserker an op late game combo because he can hold his own mid game and still gets stronger because his aptitudes are shitty?

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>>181536645
I forgot to take a picture of my equipment, and the recording goes out of sync halfway through.

However I can tell you I had:

+3 Axe of Fireborn Slaying
+10 Ring of Regeneration
+3 Ring of Regeneration
-1 Plate armor
+3 Staff of Tunneling
+4 Staff of Firebolt
+3 Staff of Entracement
+2 Telepathy charm

First time trying a regeneration build, they seem incredibly strong once you get going. Low tier weapons aren't bad when you can just tank enemy damage till you can deal your own.

I think I saw one spider and one toxic enemy on this seed too, the only counter to regeneration.

Scariest moment was an Agile Tentacle Horror popping out a door 2 tiles from me, but I was close to lava and had entracement. Yay for dickery.

>Just about to strike killing blow on Geryon, well over 100 health left
>Petrified through maximum magic resistance
>two hellephants round the corner and pummel me to death before I can move again

I hate this game so much. The message log doesn't even say WHAT petrified me and I couldn't see any enemies capable of petrification on death.

Was it a fucking wand of randomness?

>>181538086
chaos scythe from a reaper

>>181538086
i would kms if I died like this

>>181538215
Or an hell effect.

>>181538086
As anons said, hell effect or random chaos branded weapon
You should be able to see it in the log tho

>>181538086
lol you should've expected it it's all your fault for dying

>>181539552
Petrification is at least fair that it allows you a few turns before you get buttfucked, unlike paralysis tbqh.

>>181539709
potions of cancellation can break it too. but para has diminishing returns for success as well. so nothing is really too crazy. its basiclly his fault

>>181508894

LOL

DCSS DEVS ARE TROLLS

This entire game is a long trolling operation managed by a team of dedicated autists.

They're literally going to remove all the lair branches haha

>>181540153
They should just do away with everything but the Dungeon and place the orb on D:15. Who needs all that unnecessary bloat?

>>181540272
Remove movement too. Floors is a variable, monsters appear in a sequence and you fight them like in pokemon.

>>181538086
fault
petrification gives you a warning ~3-5 turns in advance
you can drink !cancel at any time before that to live
or even if you have no cancel you can tele or cblink to a safer spot, read ?summoning to get unpetrified buds, or just go up the stairs

>>181509008
Octopodes +4 stealth aptitude means stealth is basically free and is it's biggest defense in the earlygame.

Op isn't so bad in 1v1 situations but any group fighting will probably put you in a bad spot, so stealth allows you to pick and choose your battles. I've asked Yermak this(best player of the 0.18, 0.19 tournaments) and he gave pretty much the same advice.

>>181541404
>stealth in early

Doesn't this imply that you don't get xp and will be weak forever?

>>181541947
just because you train stealth doesnt mean you have to run away from EVERY SINGLE enemy, anon

if you walk around a corner and see 5 orcs, hey stealth lets you pack up and pick them off one at a time instead of immediately aggroing all of them and having to fight 1v5 in an open room

Based MarvinPA.

>>181541947
Enemies later on, give a fuckload more exp than stuff early on. Trust me, that will not happen ever.

The exp lost from not fighting an ogre or something isn't much if it means you survive.

>>181542342
>>181542056

guess I have to try it than. I'm still pretty much a retard considering this game

remember: stealth is not a playstyle, you are not a rogue backstabbing monsters
it is just a defensive bonus skill that makes walking away better
you should be walking away from some enemies even when you DON'T have stealth. having the skill just makes this tactic stronger

how do i use mummy of xom to abuse xom gifts? dont you get killed by boredom

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>tfw your first win is probably going with a character you named nigger because you were so frustated that all your characters die so fast

He is so good, I've never even made it to the crypt, but damn I don't want my first win I worked so long for be with nigger. Is there a way to edit the save file?

>>181542946
Nice cropping, nigger.

>>181542946
just accept the fact that youre a nigger

>>181542946
You're probably gonna die before long anyway

>>181543037
>>181543089
that's exactly what I mean, I can post here bragging with my first win if he's called nigger ...

>>181543132
He won't die Trog has blessed him

>>181542946
You can probably edit the morgue file after you win, since it's just a .txt file.

>>181540272
>brogue would actually be fun and popular if the amulet was on level 15

>>181545415
brogue has too many fundamentally flawed mechanics to be fun for any longer than 1 winning run

>>181546084
Yes but that would still be an improvement over the status quo, in which the game stops being fun even before getting a single win.

>>181545415
>>181546084
>>181546227
Shitters!

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>can read and learn with my partner
Thats comfy. Is there any way to make him teach me his skills beside completing his quest? Its been a long time since I played with NPCs

>>181547667
i think more wholesome npcs would really make the perfect roguelike. Give them a personality and make people care for them

Does anyone have that screenshot of gloorx vloq on d:3 ?

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>>181533947
>the good form of autism

>>181540153
I can't tell if they would seriously do that, but I'd believe it.

>>181548106
Please.

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Thank you based Trog, this speedrun is going so swimmingly. Not like last time where I wasted 1 trillion turns trying to find lair.

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>>181549014

>>181543132
Nigger is still alive and happy, clearing out Crypt 3. I wonder if he can take the tomb after that too, as strong as he is

>>181550672
You're going to die and you're going to hate yourself for not just going straight to the win.

Any new stuff out recently? New FotM? Just tired of the same old.

>>181547818
Either:

a.) They have to come with you and are pets that you have to protect and manage, or

b.) You have to go back and forth from interesting places and doing exploration to the place where you left your NPC.

Did you think this out at all?

>>181551169
Or you can build a community, if you are nice to them you can relocate them. And sometimes if they want, they follow you. They still manage themselves, but you have a bit of control of them

How good is slaying in crawl for a Berserker? Would you take a +2 ring of slaying if it had nothing else on it?

>>181551462
It depends on what my other rings are. That's so fucking obvious that it's no wonder you're playing as the stupidest combo in the stupidest game.

>>181551462
slaying is always good
it depends on which other rings you have/need

remember that swapping rings is really fast so you can still wear that slaying 90% of the time and then swap it for a ring of MR or rF or something when you need to

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>>181549834

>>181551462
slaying is just an extra enchant on your weapon, so +2 slaying means your weapon is effectively +2 on top of what it already has.

>>181552121
Dont forget its a seperate roll

>>181549834
Why is he wielding a dagger tho? Its a xom effect, isnt it? It has to be

>>181552148
when does this make a difference?

I'm dumb. Do you all read what stats do and memorize the best builds from other people when you play roguelikes? Or is it all trail and error+math autism?

>>181552345
Theres a big difference between 1d10 + 1d2 and 1d12

>>181552368
I just found the easiest builds then progressively did harder shit.

Like doing the power races first like Mi,Ce,VS,HO,Gr,Tr then eventually doing shit like octopode.

>>181552368
I look at enough guides to not make the game frustrating, and from there I experiment myself when I know enough to make something new work

But everybody is different, maybe you enjoy blind gaming

>>181552583
There is one guy on the german server who has 1k games with Felid Berserker, never played something else and still hasn't won yet.

Thats a way to play too, you can't deny he has fun

>>181554140
Or you can be like that retard Ketziah and never learn from your mistakes.

>>181554285
I don't know him but he sure sounds entertaining. I like tards if I can watch from a safe distance

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>>181554140
There's that one guy from here a few weeks back that only plays Gargoyle Berserker. It was me. Haven't played much since, I should probably get back into it.

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>>181529030
20 tries later, this going pretty good.
too bad this staff isn't a spear

>>181554647
oh I managed to took down Gastranok if that's a feat,
it only cost me a potion of might and heal wounds

>>181554140
He could just play the training wheels versions of Fe(Troll and spriggan) and then progress onto FeBe, which would be fairly easy to do.

Maybe he isn't playing to win, but I don't see the point of playing crawl at all if you're not even aiming to win.

>>181554850
Gastranok can be harsh, he can do up to 42 or 45 damage with his fucking airstrike and up to 18 with his bite and other magic shit which i forgot the damage off.. So yeah, he can be dangerous for low level/hp races

>>181555209
yah, I was surprised how much he can dealt even with bare melee attacks.
I guess I'll go some levels lower to look for poison resist items and such and then try to take up Lair. I'm always eager to try Bailey, but I don't think I can take it like that.
I got to confess, for the last 5 years of play, I've never won once, and it's refreshing to see making it to lair that often.

>>181555524
I played on and off since 0.16 but got my first win in 0.19 and won 20 more times since then in the span of a few months.

The first win is usually when you internalise the winning strategy and the rest is easy from there.

>>181555524
Bailey is high risk high reward in like 30 - 60% of the time honestly, its worth going in and checking the layout, by the layout you can already know which monsters are in there
If you need more help, just post pictures here regarding your progress and what you should do next, im sure quite a few anons will try their best to help you

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I managed to conquer the fire station from the fucking zombies. But these fucking acid zombies I swear fuck this dumb shit, me and my legs fucking hate them.
Now I have to get back to my car and get it inside with my companion, I hope I have some time until the next horde come closer

>>181538086
Who the fuck dies in the vestibule of hell? God damned shitters

>elephant slugs are gone
>elephant slug skeletons still remain

It just doesn't make sense.

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>>181558740
Doesnt look good. But broken legs still don't hurt your speed so actually all good, thanks useless cata devs!

>>181559210
You cant remove something thats already dead

>>181545415
More or less, yeah, actually. Most roguelikes would benefit from being shorter.
>>181546084
This is not true tough.

>>181558740
Yeah, it makes no sense that acidic ones evolving into spitters that can't hit anything is seen as an upgrade.

Grab some turnout boots from the fire station if you can, they have some acid resistance for your feet (well, if you had any).

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haven't seen a randart double sword in recent memory

>>181558740

If you got acid zombies, find something to stand on to fight them. A table, a bench, whatever. A shopping cart is the tits, since you can haul shit, and then just jump up on it when acid spitters attack.

Are there any erotic roguelikes?

I found one (called Noxico), but it isn't playable yet.

>>181565317
There was a variant of Brogue focusing on vore

>>181565317
>>181565541
MaiDenSnow Eve was recommended last thread, it looked very lewd, but with good roguelike mechanics.

>>181566393
>>181565541
Thanks guys! I'll look for that MaiDenSnow Eve - it does look promising.

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>>181564307

Oh yeah, webm related.

>win Brogue
>want to take a rest
>check my Brogue tiles folder
>conjuration build halfway through the dungeon
I GUESS

>>181552148
Slaying isn't actually a separate roll.

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/attack.cc#L1183-L1197
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/attack.cc#L1299

It gets applied at basically the same time as weapon enchantment, so slaying really is exactly the same as enchantment.

>>181569078
enchantment as a whole including bonuses/penalties from slaying and corrosion IS a separate roll from the weapon's base damage, though

>stumble upon sword of Jihad removal thread on reddit
>the person who requested it was an onvious troll but DCSS devs still removed it
>people complaining about censorship
>they get accused of censorship for "wanting to censor people to request things to be removed"
>le reddit says you're censoring my censorship!!!!

This is so fucking retarded how would you even respond to this? People like this are so good at rationalizing their own bullhshit fuck crawl. I hate the autistic fan base and I hate the remove- everything devs. I know they have some autistic rationale that's good rhetoric for why they want to remove everything that's hard to respond to but completely retarded.

reeeeeeeeee

>>181570829
didn't they just change the name of it

>>181570829
You could put forth a genuine, well-constructed argument against them, thus convincing people to share your point of view, but no it's better to go on 4chan and claim that anyone who disagrees with you is 'autistic'.

>>181570829
link

>>181572971
Did I offend you crawl dev? The thread is archived and the decision has already been made. On top of that I don't care about the name. It's just the autistic rationalization that's annoying, because I realize it carries over to all other aspects of the game as well when they decide to remove content.

>>181570992
There's even a thread on the reddit about changing the name of the game for being too bloated. I think people have realized they can troll the crawl devs into removing everything. Don't even want to remove the thread desu, but I hope the devs aren't that far gone.

Brogue
>kill 2 centaurs, 3 bats, and a centipede all at once with my whip of multiplicity +5
>find two 2 wraith allies on the next floor
>fight some goblins and an enemy wraith
>My wraiths flee and my HP vanishes in fucking seconds and I burn through 2 life potions but die anyway with 1 goblin remaining

what the fuck was that bullshit

>>181572971
I feel like these days, people are playing Crawl out of inertia, trying to feel something that they felt when they first got into the game, and there were lots of possibilities.

It feels like the situation is ready for another game to really take over, but I don't know what that game is.

>>181573301

Google "Sword of jihad reddit DCSS"

>>181573494
>I don't really care
>but I'll continue to bitch about it on 4chan
>and having a rationalization for something is autistic
Gee I wonder why the game is following their preferences instead of yours...

>>181573301
https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5p249j/sword_of_jihad_renamed/

>>181570829
Zealots Sword sounds a bit better desu

Is there a beginners guide to DCSS that will explain the game to me like I'm a fucking idiot?

>>181573565

Crawl was the first roguelike I got into. You're right that I mostly play it for its inertia. I just want it to die at this point. IMO all you need to do to replace crawl is make a game that has spectator mode and a decent GUI. Kind of doubt anyone will though, who wants to create a crawl clone?

>>181573507
You probably underestimated the goblins. Were they all normal ones?

Also wraiths fucking hurt if you're still on leather

>>181573720
Sar's response was great hope he isn't the thread's autist

>>181573652
Do you honestly agree with that rationalization though?

>>181573823
Nah I'm fine with the name change. I just don't like the reasoning that "disagreeing with censorship is censorship", because I know it's probably used to justify half te other things they remove. I'm just tired of removals.

>>181573494
this is why i as serious when i said we could take over the dev team with a crack team of fake trannies and clique members
it would take a week or two but we could run this shit from the outside sooner or later

>>181573720
>>181573494

Lel
it's actually true someone asked them to rename the game. No ones listening though

>>181573948
Just 2 normal gobbos but I rewatched the replay and they were hasted, that musta been it, and I was just in shitty banded mail

I definitely tabbed into them too hard but I wasn't expecting my 2 allied wraiths to flee instantly instead of instantly killing the gobbos

Back to tabbing jackals with my dagger and leather, sigh

>>181573862
Have you tried not playing?

>>181570829
Call out on their hypocrisi and fanaticism about a fictional document written by a neckbeard in a basement, and how much they are pushing the boundaries of such a document to justify their delusion as a failed game developer

>M-m-muh design doc
If Crawl code wasn't such a humongous shitfest, I'd have forked the shit out of it

>>181574210
I agree with the first part of his argument, which is that a term from a specific real-world religion (which hasn't had its content absorbed into standard medieval fantasy) is misplaced in Crawl.

It seems that the actual decision-making was based more on political correctness rather than genuinely good reasons, but since you /pol/ shitheads are too busy 15-runing and terraforming here to actually contribute (whining 6 months after the fact doesn't count), I guess you shouldn't expect to get the game you want.

>>181575630

>don't even reply to what I complained about and call me a nazi

Are you SURE you aren't a crawl developer?

>>181575630
This is retarded, Crawl is full of puns and cliches towards religion (and standard fantasy tropes, no matter how much the fuckheads behind Crawl insist it's not the case)

>Can't have fun mechanics because they clash with their objective interpretation of the holy design doc
>Can't have fun flavour because a specific demographic may get upset about it
>Can't have fun new content without it first being neutered into some shitty bastardization of the original concept
>Can't have fun because people play Crawl to gather e-points
This is the end game right? leech all fun from the game, makes me think that the developers may just be a bunch of Grynches

>>181575925
What you complained about is nothing but a strawman anyway. Here's the actual quote from the guy who pushed the commit:

>First: Jihad seemed like an exceptionally overt reference to real-world religion. We do have various other references to real religions around (Mara, the Robe of Night, etc), so obviously there's no hard-and-fast rule against such references; Jihad was right on the border.

>Second, I think the word 'zealot' is extremely cool and flavourful, and approve of using it whenever possible. It seemed like a straight improvement on all axes to rename Jihad to Zealot's.

Actual Arabs in the thread are saying that they want more references to their culture, so yes this is all the result of SJW concern trolls, but that doesn't change the fact that they're putting forth good reason (or at least excuses) for the changes they want, while you aren't.

Also you need to get away from the notion that calling people a developer is some kind of insult, especially if you're dissatisfied with the sort and amount of roguelike development going on.

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I'm still patiently waiting for Beogh to fall off in one of these games.

>>181578218
Thanks for posting something constructive, unlike the rest of these 2 int players

>>181578218
holy shit how do you have so many warlords
when i played beogh i'd only have ~2-4 at a time

>When tension is greater than 40, the sword will become the Screaming Sword, and periodically scream, dealing minor but irresistible damage to all monsters in sight. These screams deal ((1d2)*(1d2)*(1d3) + 1d3 + 1)*(XL/27) damage. In theory, this can deal up to 16 damage, but is far more likely to be around 5-10 at XL27, and even less for earlier characters. There is a 10% chance per scream that the damage will be doubled; however, damage is still capped at 16. Furthermore, damage is also capped at 30% of the monster's max HP, or at 50% for doubled screams.
DCSS math makes me want to die, who did this

>>181578218
Isn't the usual point that it falls off in extended
How many runes do you have

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>>181578724
I know how to play the god properly, anon.

>>181579092
No, the usual point is that Beogh falls off after midgame.
I have 3 runes there but Beogh is just as good in extended pic related.

Shoals > Swamp

Swamp is a gross pile of suck. Shoals are pretty and relaxing (if you can fly)

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Something tells me I'm not going to make it to minetown at XL 3 (not that I have a means of acquiring the $1200 to make the journey worthwhile anyway).

DDA tip: the heavy duty flashlight is made of aluminum, so you can use it as a bludgeon if a zombie technician steals your weapon.

Not that any situation like that would ever happen to me, of course.

>>181579029
> ((1d2)*(1d2)*(1d3) + 1d3 + 1)*(XL/27)

Just wait till you see how tension is calculated.

>>181579029
why not just make it do 1dXL damage

>>181580332
>wand of fire
Depending on how elbereth works in your version, you might be able to kill it

What does "tab through an enemy" mean?

Also what do people think of S&S: The Pit?

>>181580802
In Crawl pressing tab autoattacks the nearest enemy. Tabbing through is just mindlessly killing stuff.

>>181580802
most combat in crawl is mindlessly spamming tab, the "attack closest enemy" button, because even nonthreatening enemies take way too many attacks to kill in that game

>>181580468
how

>>181581250
>because even nonthreatening enemies take way too many attacks to kill in that game
because literally everything is 1dX because huuUURR
unless you have slaying or GDR there's always a chance of having 1 damage or 1 AC for a round

>>181482426
Chei is a crutch. If you think Chei is good it's because your only strat is standing in a hallway and hitting tab.

>tfw that's the only strat that isn't fucking excruciating to play

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>>181581250
>>181582045

What game would you reccomend instead?

>>181582045
gdr doesn't apply against spell damage or ranged attacks
and slaying only adds 1d(slaying) damage anyways

>>181582530
chei sucks because he limits me from using axes and holding tab the second an enemy appears on my screen
oka into tso/makh all day

>>181578110

>they're being baited by trolls
>but you're an idiot for thinking that's annoying

You still haven't responded to what I'm complaining about anon. You're the only one "straw manning" here. I've already said I don't care, multiple times, about the name of the sword. What's annoying is the way they take these things seriously, and the types of arguments used to justify it. If you look at the thread you can clearly see that people are making the argument that complaining about censorship is censorship, and those comments were upvoted.

I'm calling you a developer because you keep defending them by shaming me for being le evil /pol/ nazi (even though nothing I've said indicates that I browse /pol/) and repetitively accuse me of having no argument for wanting to keep the sword's name when I don't even care about that and have said so many times already. This is behavior that the autistic devs show whenever someone criticizes them of their removal Jihad, which is why I am insulting you by calling you a dev.

I don't expect you to give an honest response and you'll probably straw man me, accuse me of having no argument, or tell me I shouldn't even care about the issue. You can only deflect.

>>181580602
I don't want to kill it. I want to get permanent AC.

>>181582731
Nothing wrong with playing crawl man.
People here have just played it so much that they're jaded and only see the bad.

Take the bitching with a grain of salt. I'm sure you can have fun with crawl. What's the farthest you've gotten?

>>181585282
Level 7, Dungeon level 4.

Keep dying to my ghosts

>>181585572
Ah yeah ghosts you can deconstruct and stone arrow you are pretty spooky as Gr.
Switch it up, try a Fi maybe.

>>181585572
Make a necromancer undead character as a ghostbuster.

>>181586004
ironically necromancers are maybe the worst class in the game for dealing with player ghosts

>>181586004
>>181586491
Yeah. You want dispel undead, which comes from kiku, not ne.
I'm not sure if it's a guaranteed gift and it comes in the second book instead of the first.

>>181586491
>>181588702
Yeah, I meant someone that uses necromancy rather than the Necromancer class. Bad diction on my part.

>>181584941
It apparently only annoys you enough that you bother us with the fact that you're triggered by SJW activists hurting your precious roguelike. I wish it annoyed you enough so that you would do something constructive about it.

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>>181485617
>>181486193

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Never abandon your religion.

>>181591430
>I think I thought I saw you try

>>181590067

>if you don't actively work to make Crawl a good game you can't criticize it

You're just deflecting like I predicted you would. This is because you can't argue against crawl devs being shit.

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>>181592001
Can I get a quick rundown on how are Crawl devs shit, again? Relatively newfag here, haven't exactly been keeping up with what they add or change or remove.

>>181592209
Kind of sad that SJW shit would reach this game, but you can always play older versions I'd imagine.
Last change that annoyed me was swapping out `p` for pray with `<` or `>`. I remember not having to stand on a god's altar either.

>>181592642
What SJW shit infected Crawl? And why swap that key, p made plenty of sense.

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>>181592209
theyre faggots who hate fun

>>181592209
>no real plans for development, coupled with a strict release cycle for muh e-peen tournaments leads to changes that seem like they exist solely so they have something to put in the release notes
>almost all the capable devs are inactive, not that they could get anything major done anyway because:
>the design document is a perfect combination of vague and restrictive that you can (and the tavern / irc sycophants will) argue literally anything is against it
So a lot of their changes end up being pointless renames and minor adjustments and removals because it's easy to push those through.

Well, that and most of us have played the game to death and sucked all the fun out of it.

>>181592770
>What SJW shit infected Crawl?

As mentioned above, Sword of Jihad to Zealot Sword.

But less "offensively", they changed Sharnga (and removed its flavor text) to Zephyr.

Changed a bunch of uniques to be female.

>>181594176
>This is what passes as SJW shit now

>>181594481
Does that not annoy you? Once upon a time, a game was changed only when it was patched or added to in some way. Now games get censored, and that's what this is, albeit minor but censorship nonetheless.

>>181594176

It's not the SJW shit that annoys me. It's the obsession with removing everything that requires critical thinking to understand. It's not the Sword rename that I care about but the overanalyzation of features, and then the "refinement" of them which usually involves their removal (Jihad was just a rename). If you dispute this logic they won't listen because they want to virtue signal about how much better they are at following a misinterpretation of a design document.

Look at the new monk "god" that one dev recently added, it was stripped of all it's fun as the development went on because its much easier to remove everything than to add something creative.

The result of all this is a game that's constantly being dulled down over time. I doubt any people will play it in 5 years, except for the addicts.

>>181594704
It's no different from them changing giant newt to whatever it is now, with the logic somewhere around the new name is clearly superior because it came from my massive, enlightened, game-designing brain.

>>181594947

The thing is they didn't even bother to re-skin the characters so now we have tranny orcs chasing us.

Also Grinder is a girl and doesn't date rape you anymore, DCSS lore is ruined.

>>181594850
>It's the obsession with removing everything that requires critical thinking to understand
tfy to smart to play witout hast wand

Is there a hentai roguelike out there?

With proper Berlin interpretation

>>181594850
What was the monk god like originally?

>>181596285
Maidensnow eve

>>181596049

Lel, well the haste and health wand wasn't an unreasonable removal. The way the DCSS devs remove things is like someone trying to kill a terrorist by firing into a crowd full of civilians and then pretentiously justifying every death by ranting about having superior game design skills.

>>181596437
Honestly I agree up to a point. There's obviously no real crawl dev master plan, so stuff just gets removed when a dev decides he doesn't like it or added because a dev had an idea. For example Forceful Dismissal got removed as bloat the same patch Gell's Gravitas was added. On the whole though I think the game keeps getting better, and the worst excesses of "removal" culture are by tavern shitposters who the devs thankfully (usually) ignore.

>>181597172

I don't see it getting better. It's stagnant at best, decaying at worst. Maybe crawl doesn't need to be updated anymore. I feel like they're endlessly polishing a finished project. Updates are mostly good for changing the game up a little bit so people can keep playing it after all these years.

I've started losing my roguelike virginity with Brogue and POWDER (on PSP). Pretty comfy games. At first I died at each almost at the first enemy.

My question is: will I be able to get rid of the Evil sword once equipped in POWDER or I'm stuck with it for the rest of the game?

A more general question: I usually play crawlers and RPGs in a way that I try to clear every single area before I advance further. Is it a good strategy in roguelikes also, or grinding is not as important here?

>>181596374

Based a lot around your position and giving you special movement and all that. Basically added a lot more than just "run up and hit enemy until they die". They cut A LOT of it.

It's already July and Regeneration still isn't removed. What the fuck?! Who in the world tolerates this abomination of a bloat?

Well, dungeonmans is ass.

Is Elona the only game that does what dungeonmans' tries to do correctly?

>>181598371
Exploring whole floors in Brogue is a good idea but don't be afraid to dodge unnecessary fights.

Also remember that you're doing this for the items. Monsters in Brogue don't give XP, but they do still respawn, so explore efficiently.

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Curses interface for SLEX improved now! Character selection menu still doesn't work, but the crash on engraving can be worked around now by using a terminal that is at least 140x40 in size and turning on the popup_dialog option!

>>181597898
It can always be forked; available on the crawl github. I might mess around with it, it could prove to be a good crawler engine at the very least, and the basis for an entirely new game at most.

>>181600694
>Monsters in Brogue don't give XP
Ah, I see. Interesting mechanic. Thank you for the tips!

>>181601824

Go for it. Have heard its kind of a clusterfuck. I'm honestly not sure how you'd fix crawl at this point, but if you do good on you.

>>181601246
Good girl, keep it up.
It's great that more games can be played like NH4, every game should learn more from it and dyna's interfaces. Having autoexploration and non-rc options and generally taking the bulk of 4's QoL changes really makes *hacks better.

>>181602635
Auto-open doors is coming soon!

>>181600319
what do you mean
what does dungeonmans try and fail to do

>>181600319

IMO roguelikes with animations look shittier than no animation at all. Played neither but hate the look, Elona slightly not as bad.

DMs also has weird shit like real time levels. Watched Eggman stream it yesterday and the dungeons are just open rooms.

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>>181602740

>>181603283
DM is ass to me for a variety of reasons, lack of character progression, the main features are just bloated RNG spots that are all pretty much the same, when you die you propagate your next character but it just boils down to running through the same dungeons over and over again. There are only a few viable builds too, and there are not a lot of sprites/weapon/armor models.

I hate games that try to use reincarnation as a feature but lack the depth to make dying an experience/fun. So it just fails.

>>181603916

you could always turn off animations in Elona+

are you guaranteed to find 4 shops in O:2

>>181607540
yes

>>181607645
weird, one of mine was a mimic so only three generated in the end vault. should i read ?mapping? or does 4 shops not guarantee that none will be mimics?

>>181608260
no idea how mimics work

>>181608260

Did mimics used to do damage? They occur so rarely and have such a little effect on gameplay that they're just an occasionall annoyance. REMOVE BLOAT.

>>181609640
Mimics used to bite and constrict you. They could also be mimicking stairs which was always a fun way to die.

>>181607540
O:2? Which branch is O?

>>181611051
Orc

>>181611232
O fuck im dumb.. Yeah, there should be 4 guaranteed shops atleast no matter what, but they are in their 'special' branches like, so if one in the shops is a mimic, then its just like that i believe
Try going up and down all the stairs and check if you found all the paths

Crawl is so boring. Why do you guys insist on playing it so much? This is basically /crawl general/.

>>181612531
Having a shitload of fun with my current character, my dude.

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>>181612531
Just because everyone else is playing crawl doesn't mean that you also have to. Be unique! Play something that no one else dares to play! Kurwa challenge in slex now! :) Original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/6gycoq/the_nethack_challenge_that_will_push_even/ - now that Junethack is over, there's more time to play such "joke" characters!

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Not even mad, guess it's insta ?fog and leg it when you see ghosts with iron shot.

Through 21 EV and 7 SH, too!

>>181614134
Sorry...
I'm leaving too many op ghosts around

>>181578110
>is extremely cool and flavourful

So... flavour is only a valid reason for change when a developer does it?

Isn't that done by the same autist who's only purpose in the dev team is to genderwash uniques and rename things to be PC?

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[muffled sound of genuinely having fun in the distance]

Imagine what crawl would be like if minmay were replaced with The Amy.

>>181614447
Minmay doesn't actually have that large of an impact on crawl development. He's not a dev.

Crawl is just hillarious desu. Just thinking about a bunch of egotistical Autistes fighting over what they can remove and what small new feature they can add to a small roguelike game while feeling as if they're doing something incredibly important.

>>181614626

I get it haha

>>181615438
Don't forget about what male characters they can turn into females and how they can turn all male pronouns into female ones in a community where 99.9999% members are men. Goon numales in charge of game development, not even once.

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>>181616162
>change Nikola to Nicola or Nicoletta

>>181616162
I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be satire rofl

>>181616162

Does tavern still cost money to post on? Honestly want to start trolling the devs to see how much stuff I can get removed from the game for being sexist : ^ )

>>181616761
>Does tavern still cost money to post on?

There's an option to pay in bitcoin.

>>181616853

The orb of zot is anti-semetic, I'm afraid I'll have to inform the devs about this

>>181616761
Tavern is free to post on.
Let us know if you have any good ideas. Once they open the SJW floodgates it will be hard to close them again. We could cause all kinds of havoc.

>>181616761
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23905

Do your best.

>>181594176
>SJW
Thank you so much for telling me about this. I haven't played DCSS in years and not very often. I had no idea they were promoting left-wing censorship of religion and pushing an agenda. I don't like to support businesses like that, and with the product being free I don't need to support the developers at all. Again, thank you.

>>181617276
>>181617183

The SJW floodgates are already open.

As far as removals go, I think gods And races are the easiest major features to get removed for political correctness. Gozag is anti-semetic, Trog is too close to Islam or Christianity for comfort.

I really want to get orb of zot replaced with something else but that's going to take a lot of work and is unrealistic.