/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

First for my game not being shit

>>181246219
>chicken op is okay
>but anime op is literally the devil
why?

>>181246414
it has agdg written on it so it's ok

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>>181246414

> fuck the chicken

>>181246414
If it bothers you so much why didn't you make the thread? Is bitching more fun than taking action?

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>>181246517
So does this

>>181246352
Downwells controls are:
A,D or L,R, Space or shift.
Space for a game like downwell is bad because its a very fast game and the spacebar has the most resistance for most keyboards. And Shift is bad because for most people, they have sticky keys off, and probably havent turned off the popup. So it can interrupt their game with an alt-tab. Oh and Downwell does not pause on focus lost.

There is never a case where rebindable controls are bad.
If you think your game is a masterpiece centered around its "unique" controls, youre wrong.
Stop being pretentious and just give the player options. Since I assume youll also not auto-detect for QWERTY,dvorak and the like to adjust for people.

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>>181246657
And this

>>181246657
>>181246852
>it's ok when anime does it

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>>181246852
And this

>>181246959
Does what? But yes, yes it is.

>>181246326
prove it

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>>181247293
i cant

>>181246848
it seems the problem is on the choice of keys by the developer, not on the fact its hardcoded.

>There is never a case where rebindable controls are bad.
i disagree. if the players are adamant about using different controls they can use hacks, while knowing they are cheating but this is different from legitimizing rebinding.

>know exactly what I want
>don't have the skills to get there
>know it'll take years to acquire all of them
Suffering.

>>181247556
>hmm these keys are retarded let me change them
>hmm these keys are retarded, let me waste time having to open up a thirdparty tool to do something i shouldnt have to in the first place

>its okay though, because atleast im not destroying the devs grand vision of bad controls :^)

I bet youd bitch about default blender controls and change those.

>>181247789
Better to start now

>>181247556
Give an example of how rebinding keys is cheating.
The Overwatch example has nothing to do with rebindable keys. The reason PC and console players can't play together is because of availability of controller options. Nearly everyone on PC uses a mouse and keyboard because that's what the main input method is on a PC, and nearly everyone on console uses a controller because the console comes with a controller not a mouse and keyboard.
Overwatch still has rebindable keys, so clearly the issue is not that keys can be changed to whatever the player desires.

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1139574598/fight-knight

pfdhdfdfhjkhfskfdFUCK its happening

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Is there a futuristic open-world game?
Seems like almost every "futuristic" game is apocalyptic nowadays.
I would love to play in a clean, highly-advanced environment with lots of flat colors, hover-cars etc.
I feel like I have an emphasis for clean-looking environments right now. Not dystopian, I want it to be tidy and ordely. I currently think about if these futuristic environments and imagine very fresh air, because future technology doesn't polute air at all. Also everything would look simplistic and aesthetic.
I can't describe it any better, my english isn't good enough, but I feel games like this will never happen.
You either get sci-fi space-ship games or apocalyptic survival games.

>>181248830
>Sorcerobe died for this jewing
not okay
just kidding man, good luck

>>181248830
Can I disable the bouncing

>>181248846
sounds uncomfy af

>>181248952
yes

>>181248419
This. Rebinding isn't cheating. Macroing is.The problem is that nowadays mouse manufacturers release driver software that allows you to macro out of the box.

>>181248846
Warhammer 40k: Inquisitor-Martyr

>>181248830
This will smoke Bokubay

>>181249167
looks dystopian

>>181248846
Mirrors Edge
First two Mass Effects
Halo 4
Sanctum 2 kind of
A shit ton of JRPGS

>>181246568
kys you fucking moron. it's idiots like you that rush to post the god damn chicken thread in the first place.

>>181248830
this is worthy of a kek and a coin besides

>>181248830
>these guys are only looking for 10k but plan on giving most of it to the composer

????

how do they plan on sustaining themselves through the remainder of the dev process?

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>>181249487
Like most people anon.
A job.

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>>181248830

How are you marketing it?

>>181249604
read their kickstarter page fool. they said they plan on working on the game full time with the proceeds from this kickstarter.

>>181249758
Why would they lie on the internet?

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the greatest sign that we are currently in an economic depression is the lack of aaa 3d porn games.
you are not a real enginedev if you can't develop a realistic sex organ engine.
don't hate on me, i'm just speaking the truth.
don't dare to recommend me any of the shit-tier games currently available.
we're living in hell, that's why games like this don't exist, yet we have billions of high-end graphic shooters.

>>181250052
>complaining
> not doing anything

that why you are suffering

>>181250052
autism

>>181250052
Please don't post pictures of my waifu's band when you make shitty posts like that.

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>>181250052
Indie developers are currently experiencing a golden age, fuck off pervert

>>181248846
I can't stand that aesthetic. everyone wears a unitard and everything looks like a doctor's waiting room. it's gross.

>>181250052
Have you considered getting of your ass and talking to girls?
uhhh durr implying i want 3DPD uhh hyuk hyuk

>>181247373
We'll all make it anon

>>181249487
>>181249758
"Most of it" implies more than 50%. They didn't say that, they said a "large portion", which only implies that the composer is getting a larger share than the other devs.

>>181250052
what's the obsession with shooting stuff?

>>181250229
>>181250140
>>181250153
i have sex with a woman regularly. but there are fantasies you can only fullfil in your mind or in (yet-to-be-made) video games.

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Daily morale boost reminding that you are not gogem!

so just a basic burntime kind of combat our fallout super detail combat? any other combat systems? pretty much set on burntime.

>>181250352
You see a bullet is like a phallus symbol directly penetrating your opponents. Its the ultimate power symbol.

>>181250365
>.t pedophile

>>181250365
>i have sex with a woman regularly

I am not going to argue that, I am just sorry for you.

>>181247809
a tool is much different than an artpiece

>>181250393
thanks

>>181248830
Good luck, looks really fun, and that music is sweet

>>181250535
might be 40 units our more on each side,so i think a basic kinda maybe burntime/legion combat.

>>181250575
lol, so having sex with a real woman is excluding you from having perverted sexual fantasies?

>>181250543
i'm not a pedophile. it's more about choosing the looks, choosing the clothing, choosing the setting, choosing the fetish, choosing how she behaves etc. etc.

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>>181250535
>super detailed
>fallout

>>181250629
No everything is art, even your gamedev tools are art. Stop perverting the devs vision.
Do yous see how retarded that is?

>>181250727
did you ever play legion our burntime?

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>>181250220

> not enjoying a clean future

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I think I've spent 12 hours on my tile map editor just trying to figure out the correct way to choose the correct sprite of water

>>181249487
FTL's kickstarter money mostly went to the composer too because the game was pretty much done at that point

>>181250284
they're still bullshitting by only asking for 10k

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>>181248846
>Thirty, forty years ago, we were still debating about what the future will be: communist, fascist, capitalist, whatever. Today, nobody even debates these issues. We all silently accept global capitalism is here to stay. On the other hand, we are obsessed with cosmic catastrophes: the whole life on earth disintegrating, because of some virus, because of an asteroid hitting the earth, and so on. So the paradox is, that it's much easier to imagine the end of all life on earth than a much more modest radical change in capitalism.

>>181248419
that is because the developers of overwatch decided having rebindable keys was compatible with the rules of their game but that isn't the case for every game. in a game like warcraft different units have different hotkeys and memorizing those hotkeys is a skill. using an external application to make all those different hotkeys consistent between units is cheating because it is using hacks to make the game easier.

>>181251051
So was it worth it?

i think most porn game project die, just right after the dev has jerked off.

>>181251174
summertime saga is still going.
And hes about to hire more people.

>>181249073
rebinding is cheating if it isn't allowed by the rules of the game. game developers define the rules of their games using code, in other words you disallow rebinding by not including that option in the game. it is technically still possible to rebind the keys but not allowed.

>>181251174
when you reach true perversion, masturbation will not be sufficient to disrupt it. you will be haunted again by the specters of you desire mere minutes after ejaculation. porn game development begins precisely when masturbation ceases to function as effective release and a more elaborate scheme must be instituted in its place.

>>181250775
subjectivity isn't retarded. that said i doubt blender is intended to be apprecated by it's emotional expressiveness

>>181251559
sounds like something sigmund freud would have said if he'd be still alive

>>181251783
i dream of trains going in tunnels constantly.

>>181251626
>by it's emotional expressiveness
>literally sculpting a person or anything from your imagination
>not emotional,artistic and expressive
hmm,getting some serious bias here lad, now that your shitty opinion is getting holes poked in it

>>181251143
That's not good game design. Making the game harder by making the input confusing or annoying does not make the game more fun, it just makes the game more confusing and annoying.

A better design would be to streamline the controls and allow the player to rebind the keys. And then make the actual game itself harder, make enemies faster and more dangerous, so the player can use their own skills to fight the battles. If the game were easy and the controls were hard, the player isn't fighting the game anymore, they're fighting the controls.

>>181251936
we were talking about blender, not about what could be made with it

everything can be art
everything is not art

even a fork can be art as long as it is displayed as such and not used
but the fork you use to eat everyday is not art

>>181248830
>made in gamemaker
holy shit good luck i was looking forward to the day somebody would make a good 3d game with gamemaker

>>181252041
>im just going to open blender up and stare at the splash screen
???

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>>181251559
I AM NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON
STOP

>>181252114
i think i see why you are confused. the splash screen is art

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How full retard am I going?

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>>181252368
Mamma mia

>>181252041
oh ok but then let's talk about games in the same way. let's talk about the game "itself", not how it can be played.

oh wait that would be moronic.

>>181252000
i think the problem is that you consider the input as separate from the game but i believe the input is part of the game. puzzles are confusing but they also are fun. obstacles are annoying when you fail but fun when you succeed. it's important to manage the level of stress the player is subjected to but removing all stress will not necessarily make a better game

>>181252368
nowhere near as retard as the guy who just spent hours shitposting instead of implementing rebindable controls

>>181252368
you seem to still be at high functioning autist level.

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Hey /agdg/,
why do I keep starting projects that are too big?
Was posting here last year with a retro / pre-rendered graphics game where the character looked similar to conker the squirrel if some of you remember. Can also poast a webm of that if you want.

But pre-rendering everything in the right scale while you also have to make the game as you would have to anyways and build/tell a story to some degree just puts another layer of extra work on top of an already big pile of work.
And this when you already need to finish something to make gamedev a thing to support your living.

Why does my mind only rarely let me make quick and simple small games that I can potentially finish in a reasonable timeframe?
Started webm related a while ago. And I'm already not sure if I took a task too big for just me upon me again.
Game is supposed to be some glow in the dark platformer game, maybe with some speedrun aspect, not sure about that yet tho.
webm cuts off because 3mb file limit..

>>181252368
do people actually ship games this way? why? unless you suffer from a pathological fear of text files, how could this possibly be easier to work with than code?

>>181252534
"the way it can be played" is in fact the game but i take most artists using blender aren't making art to be experienced through blender which is what makes it fundamentally different

>>181252732
you need to move to washington n get a ganja script.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPvH1vSYXCg

>>181252732
I remember your game anon.

>less than a week left to finish my game concept for college class and I still haven't started writing it down, since I'm stuck between 2 ideas
Panic is starting to increase.

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>>181252997
wat

>>181253038
that's something. Thanks?

also webm of old project.

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>>181252368
>visual programming

You already reached full retard when you first started.

>>181252859
you're clouding the issue by switching back and forth between the roles of dev and user. the developers of blender envision certain usage of blender and the users have the ability to alter it. the developer of a game envisions a certain playstyle but the players have the ability to play differently.

why is it ok for you to cripple my ability to play the way i want but not ok for the devs of blender to do the same? how are you better than them? why is your "intent" important down to every single keybind, but theirs isn't?

>>181252732
Well, graphics isn't the issue, your stuff looks amazing. On the other hand, I can't even imagine to begin how much time goes into rendering this in 3d.

Have you finished any other project in 2d?

>>181252552
I suppose we do just have different design philosophies.

To me controls should fade away while playing, the player shouldn't have to think about the controls, they should just be able to think of something and immediately start doing it. There shouldn't be an in between step where the player thinks "okay what button do I press?".
A games difficulty should be completely built into the systems within the game, not the systems inputting into the game. And of course the players can spend time learning the controls so that the controls do fade away, but this learning step shouldn't take more than 10 minutes in most cases. And in most cases there is no reason not to allow the player to customize their keys.

One case I can think of where the input method shouldn't be modifiable is for games where the input method is the gimmick of the game. Such as QWOP or motion control games.

>tfw no longer an ideaguy now that I know what I'm doing
Fucking hell. I just wish I could think of something, ANYTHING that I might find entertaining.

>>181253392
if the intetion of the blender developers was to present challenges for you to overcome it would be "ok" but as they are developing a tool we can assume they intend to remove challenges from your workflow, not create them. for a game developer on the other hand challenges are classic element of the gameplay

>>181253642
the more you know, the more you know that would a pain in the ass to implement.

>>181253551
nope, didn't get much further than when i stopped posting here.
Had to pick up a side job to have some money to live. And thus have less time now for game dev.
After looking at the webm again I think I maybe should finish that one, too, some time.
But right now I'm on that 3D game.
Also thanks!

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>>181252368
I feel the full retard. Atleast your stuff is all properly labeled.

>>181253724
*be

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This is about as
>it's a feature
as a bug can get

Holy shit I can't decide if I wanna go third person or topdown, fuckkkk, I've been thinking about it for days.

>>181248830
>3k and the day isn't even over

boku on suicide watch

>>181250393
thanks!

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>>181253642
Don't worry friendo, I'm just the guy for ideas:

Its about a jew trying to escape Nazi Germany.
There are a lot of references to the current, modern political landscape and European refugee crisis.
Basically every African immigrant floating 2 km in sea on a rubber boat for the gibs == Schlomo Scheikelmacher trying to hide from a Razzia.

There's also an SS officer called Obersturmbannführer "Two Scoops" Drumpf who chases you around the map. Liberals will eat this up, I bet we can reach a six million dollar goal on Kickstarter.


You and me friend, we're going to make it. I demand 14% of the profit, or else I'll sue

>>181250990
life isn't clean and never will be. in fact, too much cleanliness leads to weakened immune systems, and is overall just joyless and unnatural.

>>181254189
reminds me of that jet enemy from kirby superstar

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>tfw hastily doing sweeping changes to the game's structure because I found a breaking bug that only happens when the game is exported
d-demo day here I come!!

>>181252770
>>181253365
Yeah I don't get this either.. only a non-coder would do this.

But, hey if you can pull it off, then sweet!

>>181254218
Guy is already approaching 2,000 likes on his tumblr...meanwhile my last update had me finally crack 10...just kill me.

>>181251108
Ya because we know that capitalism is here to stay.

>>181254419
Oh, yeah I was wondering why it seemd so familiar

>>181254438
>only happens when the game is exported
what the fuck, what engine?

>>181254413
most 1st world countries are quite clean, as in being sanitized. if they weren't, we'd still be getting 3rd world tier diseases and have higher birth death rates.

>and is overall just joyless and unnatural.
lol what

>>181253562
>I suppose we do just have different design philosophies.
agreed. not all games should have them but unintrusive controls certainly have their place, in particular in atmospheric games or games where proficiency with the game's controls isn't relevant (such as some turn based games).

>>181253693
so do you actually support keybinding in all scenarios other than this special case of "intentionally bad" controls? because if the only difference is that blender devs will never want to intentionally inconvenience the player whereas game devs theoretically might, rebindable keys should be ok for all the games that do not consider literally reaching the right button part of the challenge and would never intentionally inconvenience the player on that level (which is almost all games).

at this point you've revised your argument to the point of irrelevance. yes i suppose if your game relied on having all sound effects be painfully loud then volume controls would ruin this "challenge" but that's not a reason for removing volume controls from a normal game that doesn't want to arbitrarily induce discomfort.

>>181252732
>>181253320
Dude I remembered your game before you posted the webm, I loved the look of it
Also it will definitely be way smaller in scope than anything 3D I imagine

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>>181254413

I used to serve of a Frigate. It was the most amazing thing ever. Clear blue skies, ocean as far as the eye can see, no dust, no pollen, no insects, no dirt and no pollution.

We cleaned the ship before going out to sea and it stayed clean. Obviously, bathrooms and kitchens had to cleaned daily due to mold and scum, but that was it.

I'm ex-Army too, so I don't mind going out bush, getting muddy, sweaty, covered in carbon and chewing on sand from spoiled ration packs, but there is nothing quite like the clean spray of salt water and the complete lack of every nasty insect, plant or dust cloud.

I can't wait for the future. As soon as space travels opens up, I'm joining the space navy.

>>181254948
Hm, I'm pretty sure the 2d one would be more work.
Since it's pre-rendered I'd have to make 3d models anyways. But for levels I'd have to chop them up in reusable tiles that fit each other instead of just building a level mesh entirely and putting some scenery assets on it.

>>181254895
my argument was always that the intention of the developers should come before the player convenience. it's all a matter of whether the player convenience is the intention of the developer.

>>181253320
DKC?

>>181254570
it's not. and anyway, nowhere has pure capitalism. that simply doesn't work.

>>181248830
That's a good ass trailer man, love seeing what you do

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This took way too fucking long to make. At least the rest of the map editor should be easy.

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>>181255435
pretty much. But might have been without a 2nd main character.

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Today's progress
Added destructible blocks, so I can hide items behind them or use them to hide secret rooms.
Found a shit ton of bugs and things that don't work properly and need to redo, so I'm probably not gonna make it in time for Demo Day.

>>181255248
Yeah, the prep work is more, I'll give you that. I've never tried 3D so grain of salt, but it seems like level designing and mechanics are going to be a much more arduous process in 3D

>>181254438
It's Godot, isn't it?

>>181255092
the ocean is fucking filthy.
>pollution

okay, you completely misunderstood what I said.

>>181255701
>>181254732
No and it wasn't the engine's fault, I just fucked up the file paths.

>>181255652
>but it seems like level designing and mechanics are going to be a much more arduous process in 3D
Maybe, depends on the game I think.
Hardest part is getting the idea of what you wanna do in a level.
Building it then is fairly easy imo, doesn't matter if 2D or 3D.
Espeacially if you got assets ready to fill a level with.

>>181255353
in other words almost all games on planet earth should have rebindable controls because almost all ui designers care about player convenience, and the only games without rebindable controls should be individual exceptions like qwop where player inconvenience is the point.

you would have had much less resistance from the thread if you made it clear you were talking about special cases because it sure seemed like you were saying rebindable controls were universally harmful to "developer vision".

Is there even a point in submitting a game to demo day if it's not in the first day?

>>181255651
>Another Castlevania clone
I really hope you'll finish this one. I just want one of these Castlevanias to come out because they're usually fun.

>>181256306
Yes. Some people hold on posting feedback specifically for people who don't post their demos on the first day.

>>181256306
if you're not one of the big bruisers you'll arguably get less attention but it's still worth a shot

>>181256739
If the deadline was the first day then they wouldn't have to.

It's called "Demo Day"(Single), not demo weekend.

>>181256739
>>181256809
>>181256845
Okay, thanks guys I'm not gonna submit anything then.

>>181256306
I don't play any demo day games until submissions have closed.
Stop falling for the "no one downloads your game past the first 1 hour!" meme. It's just a meme forced by nodevs in an attempt to make devs give up.

>>181256897
Cool thanks.

>>181256897
You don't have to pretend that you have a game, you can tell us that you're a nodev.

Or you could prove that you do indeed have a game.

>>181256917
ok, but that doesnt apply to everyone.
I ignore any game that wasn't posted on the first day because I cant be assed to dig through all the entries again.

it's also not fair to the devs who did their shit on time.

>>181257120
ok, but that doesn't apply to everyone.
I ignore all games until submission is finished because I cant be assed to dig through all the entries again.

it's also completely fair to all devs this way.

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>>181257058
He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone. Fuck off.

>>181257058
>prove something to a nodev like you

lmao

>>181257392
>so buttblasted about having no game he started pretending to be someone else to defend himself

>>181257058
>actually believes in the nodev boogeyman

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Is this a good ideia for a game, /aggy/?

>>181257983
is it spore?

>>181256296
all i've been talking about is "intended experience". it's not my fault that people are defensive about the subject

>>181255651
talking about castlevania clones
what happened to the skeleton detective game?

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>>181257983
the idea is amazing, the problem was the execution

>Fight Night will be funded within 24 hours

>>181259456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vkm2YLb1xo
No doubt now

>>181259568
It looks too good. Is this aggy daggy game? How many people have worked on this?

>>181259931
4

>>181259456
>Converted from Canada $5,907 pledged of 13k
>He has made $1000 more than Bokube already and it hasn't even been 10 hours

BOKUBE
BLOWN
THE FUCK OUT

>>181254364
I hate jews.

Puzzledevs on suicide watch.

>>181259127
>they had the best game in the world but they cut all the good stuff out!

this is such a bullshit fantasy. they cut shit out because it didn't work. what they shipped were the salvageable parts of a failed project. there was never a "good" spore that got ruined, it was always fucked.

it's like when bethesda tried to justify castrating oblivion's ai by claiming it was "too good" because npcs would go on killing sprees or whatever. that's not an ai that's "too good", that's just a glitch in a broken-ass ai system that they decided was not worth fixing so they threw it away. same with spore, they spent years experimenting with crap that never coalesced into a game, so they threw it all away and and released the least broken bits as a minigame collection.

>>181259568
that does look great

>>181255530
I like it, do layers on top of layers of that and you could have a mildly amusing minecraft 2d experience

>>181258362
>>181259127
It's more like kirby, but with cells and rpg-like gameplay. The more cell functions, the better.

I might be able to turn it into a Android game eventually. Unfortunately, I have to rely on public domain or non-commercial images to make the sprites.

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>>181259568
>>181259456
tis nigga going to get sued by EA

>>181260542
its KNIGHT with a K

>>181260510
why dont you buy a microscope and use your own cells as sprite

can you play as a sperm


>>181260591
and notch game was called SCROLLS and not ELDER scrolls and he was sued anyway

>>181260664
>Both companies have agreed to a settlement allowing Mojang to continue using the Scrolls name for its game, leaving it up to the poor, confused gamer to keep the similarly-named titles straight in their heads.

>>181260905
That only happened because Mojang had the money for lawyers.

Any other dev would get bullied into changing name.

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vaguely ethnic or just downs?

>>181260974
If they have the trademark, that's the way it goes. Also, the problem is that Mojang wanted to trademark "Scrolls" itself. It wasn't that they used the word for their game.

>>181261102
Make the ears a bit smaller.
Rest look pretty good, especially when its colored.

>>181261102
Is that finished or?

>>181261102
Asian/Down syndrome

>>181260664
>spoiler

Probably. All kinds of cells count. The protag itself is a mesenchymal stem cell.

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>tfw you can't figure the cause of bug

>>181262179
This is a wake up call to write better code.

Need ideas. Game where you track and trap monsters. How to make traps interesting/engaging/fun?

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Does /agdg/ still find my game nauseating?

>>181262757
>camera behind player

>>181262757
Spooky

>>181262757
I would call it immersive

>>181262757
Very. Good job.

>>181262757
intriguing is the word

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>>181262179
>he doesn't leave one comment above every single line of code comprehensively explaining what it does

>>181262808
>camera smoothing
I could give the camera momentum such that it catches up to (and potentially overshoots) the player.

>>181262892
>>181262931
>>181262942
>>181263028
Thanks anon!

>>181262757
I swallowed a chunk back down

>>181263179
No, what you do is you have the player "push" the camera as they move, with a dead zone where they can move without moving the camera at all. Play some Super Metroid to see what I mean.

>add hit stop to your game
>any time something is damaged the game stops or significantly slows down for 50 milliseconds
>after only 20 hits that adds up to 1 full second
Holy shit, this is the easiest way to inflate playtime.

>>181263072
>doing shit like this instead of using a D3D transform (pre 2) or the new drawing functions that take a depth (2 on)

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>>181263072
>>181262269

It was the physics system, I need to switch to better one

>>181263278
50 is a long ass time for that kind of hitstop. Make it more subtle for smaller hits and then you have headroom so the larger hits are more impactful. Don't you know anything about dynamic range?

>>181263278
>Playtest game
>It's 1 hour 55 minutes long
>People can refund after playing it
>Add couple milliseconds to hitstop
>Game lenght is now 2 hours 1 second

MONEY

>>181263524
making a two hour game is pretty scummy. I've played free flash games longer than that.

>>181263238
Players turn too slowly for that to work. They would almost never not be pushing the camera, or the dead zone would be too large and ruin your ability to what's in front of you.

>>181263814
Wanting things for free that people spent 6 months+ working on is pretty scummy.

>>181263869
No one cares how hard you worked on your game.

>>181261102
Listen, you've been posting models, mostly of heads, for months now. Either start working on the game or fuck off to /3/

>>181263831
In that case I would just fix the camera a set distance in front of the player (or make it tween to that point, but fast enough that it doesn't lag behind).

This is the problem with top down games, it's really difficult to make a good camera. You usually have to pick between functionality and style. With third person games, the camera lagging is a GOOD thing.

art is my least favourite and most favourite thing because i'm incredibly shit at it but i'm always laughing at my own work

>>181263949
No one cares that you want shit for free.

>>181264060
Fortunately there's plenty of free shit out there already that's better than your game.

>>181264170
Then go have fun with those jew.

>>181263869
>spending 6 months working on something of little monetary value to the market
That's your problem.

>>181264239
>implying making your game 2 hours 1 minute long isn't jewy

>>181263953
i like this place better

>I spent a lot of time doing something therefore I am entitled to compensation
I spend a lot of time on 4chan but you don't see me complaining that I'm not getting paid to do it.

>>181264618
That's one of the most retarded things anyone has ever typed.

>>181264685
Sorry, I think you meant to reply to >>181263869.

>game length = quality

When will these nodevs learn.

>>181256330
Unlike them I don't make one because I know I won't have the skills to make the art.

>>181263967
The camera would have to move more than the player whenever the player turns in that case. It defeats the point of smoothing.

>>181264960
>development length = quality
Equally as retarded.

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am I doing it right

>>181265009
>thing no one ever said

GIVE ME KEYS KEKS

I KNOW YOU'RE HIDDING YOUR KEYS FROM ME.

>>181265134
>Wanting things for free that people spent 6 months+ working on is pretty scummy.

>>181265032
Pretty progressive that you can customize your game's pronouns.

>>181265171
There's nothing about quality in this quote, expecting things to be free will always make you a jew and scum.

>>181265323
Kinda scary to think there was a demand

>your game is only 10 seconds long and you're asking for $30?
Yeah but I spent 5 years making it.
>i'll pass
FUCKING JEW

>Dreamcast tag not preselectable on itch
Oh boy
I'm going to the moon on itch, I feel it

Won't forget you after the fame, I promise

>>181265426
>I'm selling my 10 second long game for 30 seconds
No I want it for free
>No
FUCKING SCUMMY DEV

>>181265365
>not wanting to pay for low quality makes you a Jew
>padding your game so it's just barely too long to be refunded doesn't
Really makes you think

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Yeti close to completion. He just needs to attack and pick up humans now (and obviously not walk as he does now across objects).

>>181265532
see >>181265535

>>181265532
>sell 10 seconds game for 30 seconds
>make 3 10 seconds games
>sell each for 30 second
MAXIMUM JEW

>>181265535
No one is forcing you to buy it, you're the one autistically sperging that something should be free because you're a jew.

>>181265426
Isn't the point of this shitposting chain that instead of saying "I'll pass" people say "Okay, I'll take it" and then refund the $30?

>>181265682
You were given a chance to explain why your 2 hour game is worth money but you replied solely by insulting people who don't think it is since you worked on it for half a year.

>Have fun with a game
>Finish it
>It's 1 hour long
>"Oh no"
>Have to instantly dislike it because the length isn't over an arbitrary point

>>181265532
If you told people in advance that your game is so short, they simply wouldn't WANT to buy it or play it.

>>181265934
That's fine, why do you have to scream about wanting shit for free commie?

>>181265838
Having fun for less than 2 hours isn't very satisfying. Fun games need to be long games. Short games need to be art, get a message across, or there's no point.

>>181265996
Wanting a refund is not the same as wanting things for free.

>>181266000
>Short games need to be art
This guy gets it, listen to him

>>181266094
But you can't get a refund since my game is 2 hours 1 second long.

Get fucking scammed.

>>181265838
>Have to instantly dislike it
Not if the game was free.
Keep the "free" in "freeware" ok? RIP Natomic, RIP Fallen Angel Industries.

>>181263278
Ugh one of my biggest complaints about Hollow Knight. Whenever you get hit it stops and the screen sorta shakes.

>>181266126
>only artists should make game
This guy doesn't get it, don't listen to him

>>181266203
That's actually just the frames dropping since it's made in Unity and is unoptimized as fuck.

>>181266203
Hollow Knight's effects upon getting hit are probably the worst I have ever experienced. Worse than CoD jelly screens.

So my demo has online multiplayer, but atm I can only host one lobby at a time, max 4 players

I guess I could just leave it so anyone can connect at any time but the idea of actually testing my netcode publicly is kind of spooky

ideas?

>>181266238
Can't tell if shitty bait or just retarded.

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A goofy point n click adventure a la Monkey Island, set in 1970's East Berlin. You must get over the Berlin Wall, and there are many ways to accomplish this. Each route isnt too long so it encourages replaying.

>>181266164
That's okay, I'm not buying it.

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>He's not making an RPG where the game is automatically over 10 hours long because you can keep throwing random encounters at the player.

>>181265627
Maybe to give you some kind of control over him you could include different food items that can be left on the ground and used to 'lead' it over to whatever human/area you want?

>>181266310
sounds like the game is just unoptimized.

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A mobile game but for pc jam

>>181266721
Unity isn't helping anon.

>>181266548
>not making an RPG with a set amount of random encounters which caps the player's levels depending on which area he's visiting
stop making games for casuals

>>181266915
Nice undertale clone.

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>write some code
>doesn't work
>can't figure out the problem because I don't think I made any mistakes
>don't change anything for an hour
>works
Relly makes u think

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this is artistic

>>181266000
this.

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What 2D engines/frameworks/toolkits are good?

>>181267191
*autistic

>>181266891
fuck gm and ue4

>>181267191
*autistic

How do I make a majestic gif? Do I first make a majestic webm and transform that, or is there a better way?

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>>181266891
unity works fine for me.

>>181267345
Yes

>>181267215
pygame

where are my keys losers

>>181267376
You have shit art so that's not a surprise.

>>181267376
blinding the player is an interesting style

>>181267376
I think it looks kinda fun
It's something different

A game where you have a pizza party then stay up as late as you want!

>>181267713
18+ for harmful influence

>>181266915
You're supposed to include optional grinding areas so autists can optimize.

>>181267772
You don't understand
you have to grind. but if you grind wrong, you'll lock yourself and end up unable to progress
I call it advanced grinding

>>181267191
If this doesn't actually run on the Dreamcast then I'm reporting you to the BBB.

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>>181266487
actually, not bad.

>fight knight almost reaching the goal in a few hours
>no reward tiers so the hype will quickly die down
Reminder to always be a jew.

>>181267492
>filling a test level with much art. ishygddt.

>>181267534
sounds ironic
>inb4 "no shit niggah"

>>181267576
thanks, here's a webm >>181252732 from earlier in case you missed it.
>Game is supposed to be some glow in the dark platformer game, maybe with some speedrun aspect, not sure about that yet tho.

>>181248830
>Already at 8.5k
Looks like we got a homerun here my boy

>Fight Knight

Enginedevs on suicide watch.

>>181267896
I don't have a CRT, so I can't test the light gun, the key selling point
Rest works just fine though. Hardly any slowdown except on two nasty levels. Spent the whole day running it in autoplay mode on the Dreamcast to check if the texture memory can fuddle itself up in a way that's not recoverable.

>>181265627
Man, everything looks so flat and perspective is confusing. And why is Yeti walking over the cave and tree? That is not possible. Otherwise, looks nice and fun.

>>181267918
I mean no stretch goals, derp.

Any ideas what kinds of things would be interesting and original to do in the open world between the cities?

>>181268236
You can put the stretch goals up later. Its you who needs to learn the ways of Jew

>>181268102
Nice.
How do you even dev for the Dreamcast anyway? Can you buy dev kits on eBay or something?

>>181268276
What's the world? What kind of setting are we in?

>>181268276
Make it linear and interesting. It's been quite a while since anyone's done that and normies can't even remember it.

>>181267892
Isn't there a game infamous for something like this?

>>181268327
There's on open-source dev library: https://github.com/ljsebald/KallistiOS
It's pretty barebone though, around the openGL level of abstraction.

On the hardware side, you have to either use a LAN connection to your PC or a coder's cable, no dev kit required.

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Holy shit this game is awesome, genuinely didn't expect the controls to be as tight and responsive as they are.

>>181268653
I'm surprised they did all that in half a year, honestly

Is using a Silent Hill 4 save type system a mistake in the modern day? It's for a horror game so I feel like it will make the game more tense but idk people might be spoiled by newer games where you can save any time and it might just be an annoyance.

For those who don't know there's just one save point in the game in your room you have to keep going back to.

>>181268763
Looks like they're a small team that's pretty fuckin tight knit. I couldn't be happier for them.
I'm backing this shit come next paycheck

>>181268653
Is it made in java is it not?

>>181268867
Shakespeare?

>>181268401
>>181268429
It's set somewhere in the old times (around medieval), it doesn't really have much RPG elements, but you are traveling from town to town to finish the missions. Making it just teleport to a close area around the town would probably be a better thing to do, it's just that there are so many open world games these days, that I worry it would feel lame to just fast travel. Because you are free to walk everywhere in the city and around it. Not sure, t b h.

Maybe I should just let the player choose his next location on the world map, after he gets outside of a town area.

>>181268525
The last remnant ? iirc it's just that grinding makes the game harder but I'm speaking on rumours.

>>181268772
Sounds like bullshit. Regular savepoints or quicksaves deleted on load are a better alternative.
The only game where that mechanic made sense was Dead Rising.

>>181268867
Game Maker.

>>181268772
First of all don't act like saving any time is a "newer game" thing.

Second of all, sure, use a save system from the Silent Hill that got the worst reception of any Silent Hill game at the time of its release.

>>181268772
It's fine as long as the world design facilitates easy backtracking via unlockable shortcuts or has teleports to the safe room.

>>181269081
Let's be serious, I'm also interested. GM, really?

>>181264618
more like
>I spent time doing something and would expect compensation in return for someone else getting to enjoy my creation
>if you don't want to spend money on my creation, as I am the creator and thus am ultimately able to make this decision, you don't get to enjoy it

queue bitching from the unwashed masses screaming about having to exchange their goodboypoints for games

>>181269191
Dead serious.

>>181268772
If it's not fun to go back and forth from your room (which necessitates the route or your abilities, ideally both, changing over time), scrap it.

>>181269265
>queue
If you think that's how "cue" is spelled then it's no wonder no one wants to buy your shit game.

>>181269265
You're not wrong, but that's not how this particular argument went down.

>>181269191
Any fucking time a good game is made in GM.
>Wow it was made in GM are you for real?

>>181269047
Do a mini-Oregan Trail between cities or something.

>>181269367
Joke's on you, I don't have a game

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>>181248830
That's some damn fine stuff.
Where else did you shill it to get this many backers on day 1 though?

Games like Fight Knight make me wish I had a cool team of tight knit dev friends who were all contributing with their skills. 1MA wasnt as cool as I thought it would be unless you keep making cool stuff. (Or are even at the point where you can make cool stuff). The game is practically gonna snowball in popularity with its controls and great aesthetic. Im jealous but oddly motivated.

>>181269621
They have a tumblr and twitter

>>181269621
He's been posting to Tumblr almost daily and gets a lot of notes because the game is aesthetic as fuck.

>>181269621
>>181269810
>>181269823
the fact that the demo got played on youtube by some popular e-celebs definitely contributed too

>10k kickstarter funded before the thread is over

>>181270065
on a game in development for 6ish months
like holy fuck

>>181265627
what if, and hear me out now, what if a kid manages to befriend the big yeti? and you must find a way to kill the kid, but then the yeti starts to get in the way

so the only way would be to kill the kid BEFORE releasing the yeti

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>>181269753
Fight Knight, some other art people, and current life situations have brought my motivation back too. I'm hoping to improve and been playing a shit ton of indie games in order to get some knowledge back.
>>181246219
Just added wall climbing last week, a dash mechanic, and finally figured out how to have companion characters/objects follow you.

>>181270065
>most of it is going to the composer
I bet the devs are kicking themselves for making the kickstarter so low.

A story-driven game about choices

>>181270365
cute!

>>181270374
>he thinks kickstarters can't make 10x the goal
Buckle the fuck up homey

What about the wizard game though

>>181270365
>minimalist cute girl
I want to hire you

C, Rust or Go?

>>181262698
>How to make traps interesting/engaging/fun?
Rube-Goldberg machines.

>>181270471
I'm thinking this one won't be breaking 100k.

>>181270471
Only if there are stretch goals. It will be funny seeing the page go from "nuh uh, no stretch goals because our vision of the game is complete" to "PUNCH THOSE STRETCH GOALS YEEEEAH BOOOI"

>>181270587
traps r gay, y would u maek a game about them?

>>181270374
Do you not know how Kickstarter works?
People are backing it for a copy of the game. The fact that the goal is so low just means they don't have to worry about not reaching it.

>>181270552
C has few guarantees or ways to write high level code besides macros. Rust is a bit slower than C (in practice faster than C++) but has great safety guarantees and high level constructs. Rust just has few libraries at this point since it's so new but it's easy to link to C libraries. Probably you want Rust but C could still be useful, and in fact it's not hard to use both in a project.

Go has the features of C but is slow as shit.

>>181270746
Do you not know how humans work? Without stretch goals, this shit isn't stretching.

>tfw competing with teams as a 1MA is impossible
>tfw that isn't even what makes you depressed it's that you don't have friends to dev with

>>181269176
>teleports to the save room

then what's the point?

>>181270863
>competing
You are a dumbass.

>>181270746
Early bird discount is already gone so there's no point in backing now if it's just a regular pre-order.

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>>181270863
>tfw 1MA or team doesn't matter because you're just not skilled enough yet
I just dropped my project and I feel even worse after opening this thread.

>>181270863
Just watch me win the Ludum Dare as a 1MA next month anon.

>>181270863
Make a cool 1 man demo and then get people to join

theres no reason not to have autosave in your game aslong as there is no difference between autosaving and pausing the game to come back later

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>>181270863
>don't have friends to dev with

>>181271071
B-b-but saving/loading my whole game's state to/from disk is hard because I use an engine.

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>>181271026
iktfb. ive been extra depressed lately and this thread is crushing. i am glad for fightnight dev tho

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I really like the writing in this game

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>>181270542
I'm not confident in my 2D animation skills honestly, so I'm not sure I'd be the best person for the job. That might change once I get my masters.
Thank you though.

>>181270992
while he did just make a "tfw no gf" tier shitpost, if you want people to actually know about your game and buy it, it's a competition with other games