/dadg/ - Darkest Dungeon General

1st for fuck the Jester debuff

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>>181190539
My beautiful prince how could they have done that to you ;_;

thanks for updating the OP with the musketeer DL

>>181190539
We will never stop laughing.

>Hah! The jokes's on me then...?

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worst part about this patch is it breaking mah skin mods

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>>181191127
>Sejuani
>Strong

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>>181190493
>as a guy who started in beta i'm surprised they haven't implemented hero corpses

In a stream they say they do like the idea, but they feel it's kind of big investment of time/resources for a small part of the game. They'd have to draw up over a dozen hero corpses, and that's time and energy that could be going into making a new monster or curios or whatever else.

>>181190539
>(embed) (embed)

I GOT THE CRESCENDO BOX

THE ONLY OTHER BOX IVE GOTTEN IS THE ONE THAT GIVES HP AND THAT WAS A YEAR+ AGO

HOLY SHIT IM HYPED

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do people use this trinket? have a crescendo box i always use on my HM. I used to run +spd/cudgel weight on a HM but with the cudgel weight nerf he's been more offensive and less of a pos 2 stun bot

>>181190920
well shoot, guess i'll be stuck damning myself for not taking mace bash/incision until the end of time

maybe if i have some time i'll look into modding it in

>easy map, going straight for the boss
>one faggot triggers 5 traps, reads bad book and eats all crits
>192 stress, 0 hp and bleed
>everyone else perfectly fine
deal with it faget, we are going in

so what happened to jester

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>>181192134
>reading
>ever
You deserved your fate.

Are you fucking kidding me. I lost another perfectly fine houndmaster from a sick siphylis into crit skewer into dead.

The warrens are fucking cursed. God fucking damn it he had fated and on guard locked too. Sometimes I really hate this fucking game.

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>>181192328
Finale does shit for damage now, even after a multi-turn setup.

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>Dog dodges 3 70% to hit attacks and then gives my front line guy carrying the team rabies
Nice real RNG percentages darkestbabbies

>>181192786
Rabies is objectively good, though.

People never remember the times when RNG bullshit works in their favor.

>>181192786

The task ahead is terrible, and weakness cannot be tolerated.

KILL
JESTER

>FINALE NERF
>THE STATE OF JESTER RIGHT NOW
>TWELVE ROUNDS
OK, it was a good chuckle but the joke's over Red Hook.
Where's the real patch notes?

>>181190539
I understand they thought finale was too meta, it's was anything but gamebreaking. To put more salt on wound, it sucks and you can only use fucking SOLO and FINALE 1-2 times.

>>181193424
Just spam stress heals, goyim.

Ok, so when do I get a chance to use these Sculptor's tools?

>Finale can now crit again
>Solo increases Finale's crit chance by 33%
There, I fixed Jester.

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>>181190539
giving y'all some fresh OC straight outta GIMP

give me all of your memes in return, i gotta make me a folder out of them all

>>181190539
So what's happening in finale? The jester and the enemy get stabbed by spears for some reason

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>>181194886
That's the worst shit ever, good job!

>>181195064

Matador final spear to the heart.

>>181195064
Jesters are highly proficient in spear magic.

>>181193968
a little later when it's time to fuck some statue up

>>181192586
slightly justified with the reasoning, but surely they can keep the crit chance for it stay viable now, right?

won't stop me from bringing Jesters everywhere though, i like everything else about him except Finale now

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>>181195064
>blood voodoo magic like Virago and Flagellant uses on a medium (doll or his body) and his target is afflicted
>stage decorations and gimmicks

Now on a serious note; where can we give our feedback on the latest nerf? I want to tell Red Hook that they fucked up by making Jester a weaker combatant removing 50% of their usefulness.

>>181195678
http://www.darkestdungeon.com/contact/
>feedback (at} redhookgames (dot) com

>>181195678
They listen to people on reddit, the steam forums, facebook/twitter and their emails. They're almost certainly going to fix it anyways at some point in the future. They already said in the patch they were planning to change it after getting feedback and a LOT of people don't like this change.

Am I going to run out of apprentice level dungeons if I keep going?

>>181190539
It didn't make sense using FINALE first it has to be used last hence the name so I understand the nerf completely.

But why remove the Crit that's just retarded

>>181196000
nope

>>181196000
they get way less common but you won't run out

>>181190539
Is this game easy? I enjoy difficult games but I'm watching this streamer Moon play and the game looks stupidly easy.

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>>181196008

They should have made it's strength dependent on how many enemies there are on the field, with it being strongest (and thus most likely to kill) if there was only one enemy on the field.

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Reynauld and Dismas. Best friends forever. travelling dungeons and kicking ass.
This is my first playthrough ever and I will do everything in my power to protect these two. They have already done so much.

>Jester finale nerfs
For what purpose

>>181196279
It looks easy when you watch people who actually know what they're doing.

>>181196208
>>181196256
Thank god, I was starting to get worried seeing them less and less over time.

Also the Darkest Dungeon has been open for me from the very start, is that normal and I'm supposed to just be able to go in there whenever I want?

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>>181196008
Yeah, but they need to make sure it's worth the wait

>>181196279
>moon watchers

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Okay.

>>181196396
Because they don't want an ability called "Finale" to be used at the start of combat.
That's basically it. It's stupid.

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Crimson curse was a mistake and now they are making the game even worse with their clumsy as fuck Jester nerfs after highlighting him with ridiculous buffs.

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>>181196591
>mfw babies cant stand the BLOOD

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Hue

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Who fucking needs Jester now when HM is better in every possible way?

Tell me a SINGLE reason to take Jester over HM in party now.

>>181196748
>defending utter shit mechanics

And before you start mumbling some shit, I finished the game on Stygian and crimson curse is fucking trash that makes the game less enjoyable on new save.

>>181196748
I'm just upset that the blood means I have to carry less loot.

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>>181196563
THEN CHANGE THE FUCKING NAME AAAAA

>>181196464
take whenever you want, but that should be when you feel absolutely ready to tackle it, because it's not like any other dungeon

>1 bite means kick hero from the roster

ex fucking dee

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>get back from classes
>lol we are going to nerf the Jester once again! Is not like he is one of the lower tier characters in the game

Those fuckers, they fuck him up when he was out and now they fuck him up again.

Guess slowly dirking into the front is the way. They should at least keep the crit, after all is just rng

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>just lost a flagellant to a trap hitting them while at death's door
>about to chalk it up to bad luck
>mfw I forgot that food heals you off of death's door
>had 16 food available to use
there goes a character I put 5 or 6 hours into

>>181196831
Consistent stress debuffs. That's pretty much it now.

>Jester has two bleed skills that are practically the same thing and Dirk Stab is used by no one
>instead of changing those just make Finale worse
>meanwhile literally every one of Houndmaster's skills is useful and he is viable in every party position at all times
>tfw Houndmaster will always be top of top-tier while everything else gets the shaft

>>181196748
>tfw personalized AI waifus for you and you alone can't come soon enough

>>181196563
>take jester
>use finale as my first move
F I E N D I S H
>>181196591
I built the sanguine vintners and now the crimson curse is basically just a fun thing to work around because I can easily afford to take 12 vials of The Blood(tm) on every expedition. That shit shouldn't be hidden towards the middle of the construction list considering how it's practically necessary for a new save now.

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>oh shit this game has a general
>immediately get spoiled upon entering thread
I guess that's what I get.

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While I've started a bunch of runs I never finished any of them; hearing all this shit about the DLC is making me turn off the CC until I beat the game once maybe on Radiant

>>181197791
all you have to do is save up for Sanguine Vintners before ever opening up the courtyard and you're basically set

>>181197436
If you enter the courtyard at the beginning and don't kick shit ton of cursed heroes you'd have the whole roster infected at ~30 week with no blood to supply them.

That building doesn't help when you need 5 blood per week only for afk heroes in the Hamlet.

TOOTHED

>>181197652
Where?

HEY NIGGAS HOW ABOUT MAKING ANTIQUARIAN GOOD FOR ANYTHING RATHER THAN WALKING JEWISH BAG FOR EXTRA MONEY

>>181198184
that pic of the formless flesh with 200+ hp, those enemies look fucking crazy

>>181197436
GUESS WHAT

YOU CAN ONLY TAKE 6 NOW HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>181198261
Its only 1 boss (and thats not even the full image of the boss)

Close the thread, or ask away if you need help, then go and carry on with the game.

Good luck anon.

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No wonder why DLC is so shit and new changes are shit as well.

That PBD faggot and his discord fanboys are in charge of the game now.

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>mfw managed to avoid running into the fanatic on a long dungeon even though the narrator announced he was around
I've wiped twice to that fucker and I didn't want to lose Reynauld and Dismas to him.
>>181198490
noted

>>181198421
Well I've never actually needed more than 6 but that nerf seems unwarranted anyway.

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>Koreans fuckheads abuse the game since that is the only thing they know what to do
>stupid streamers cry cuz "aint fun"
>nerf Jester into oblivion once again

I hate this stupid change because the solution to the problem was dead simple: Finale now only hits the first mob like point blank shot.

Plain and simple but they have to screw everything

>>181199039
Finale was fine before the district was added. The simpler change would be to just nerf that instead.

>>181198585
What

>>181196313
Or nerfing the building by not giving the building a finale buff instead of nerfing the base game. I feel like those without the dlc are cuck'ed from a full powered jester it's fucking ridiculous.

>try and level up a newbie Jester after the patch
>only worthwhile way to use him as a buffbot in back waiting for Finale damage
>fights always end before I can even use Finale and it's shit for damage otherwise
>dies in the end to multiple random crits hitting him and only him

I think the game is telling me something.

>>181196384
They can always pull some crazy shit.

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>>181198607
Bring a shitload of direct damage to take out the Pyre as soon as possible. After that just stack riposte and watch him kill himself.

>>181196563
But it is the finale, of the poor suckers life that gets hit by it.

>>181190539
>DIDN'T SEE THE UPDATE
>BROUGHT JESTER TO WOLVES AT THE DOOR
>FINALE IS NOW USELESS
>STUCK WITH A NEAR USELESS CHARACTER ON THE HARDEST MISSION
>A TEAM WILL BE WIPED
WHAT THE FUCK MAN

>>181199817
Explain that to the devs.
Also, someone please remind them that DD is a finished product and no longer in early access testing.

>>181200006
>Also, someone please remind them that DD is a finished product and no longer in early access testing.
This is what we have to suffer with when developers can update a game when ever. I will still play in bed with my Vita version though.

>>181199923
AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

What the fuck is the point of Hound's Harry?

>>181200386
To kill the Flesh.

>>181200386
to cheese the flesh fights

How do you get the Unexpected Party achievement?

>>181199294

Guess you are right, maybe the district should be a flat 15% damage to all his skills so people take dirk stab and the other two attacks.

This change is mostly aimed to people who cheeze in mind (like the old Holy Lance and Retribution) but this fucks more things that it solves.

Im just angry we gotta pay the price for a bunch of cunts

>>181200582
I'm mad because it fucks those of us without the DLC.

>>181190539
Whelp. Time to edit the Jester to return Finale, Solo and the rest to their original functionality. Easy enough, thankfully. And easy enough to edit the Puppethall back to normal too.

Screw your class updates, Red Hook! I INSERT MY OWN!

>>181200582
>This change is mostly aimed to people who cheeze in mind (like the old Holy Lance and Retribution) but this fucks more things that it solves.
I don't see the problem with cheesy tactics in games like this. Final Fantasy Tactics became broken as hell once you understood the mechanics and it was still a great game to play and replay.

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Now how the hell am I gonna fit the Flagellant into this?

>>181190539
>The Blood only stacks to 6.

Fuck you Red Hook. I'm editing that back to 12. No, 24! You cannot deny me my blood!

>>181201768
Remove the Musketeer, insert Flagellant.

>>181201768
Replace the Musketeer.

>shrieker only comes once per campaign
what the fuck?

>>181202132
People whining about their trinkets getting stolen.

>>181202020
>>181202058
don't do this

>>181202256
remove musketta

>>181202132
the event where he steals 8 of your trinkets only happens once. he still comes when you lose 8+ trinkets, and with the shrieker's prize event

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tfw u bait the enemy into killing himself

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>>181202451
riposte is cool

>>181202451

Is gonna be pretty funny if you didnt hit him for 7 and the bandits fuck you up

>>181202613
Oh never mind you just crit the fuck out of the cannon with the bh set

>>181201584
I bet if you put that up on the workshop you'll get a shit ton of favorites.

>>181202781
>I bet if you put that up on the workshop you'll get a shit ton of favorites.

Eh, don't really know how. Probably should though.

>>181202242
I don't get how people struggle with the shrieker, even on champion difficulty. Sure that mother fucker hits crit pecks on a regular basis but the goal has always been to survive. If they lose heroes it is entirely their own fault for not playing defensively, stacking dodge and prot with a stack of herbs, bandages and holy water. If anything I welcome the shrieker fight in order to roll the unique quirks, which are pretty good (except the disease resist)

>Just beat the shambler
>game crashes on the trinket rewards screen
WHAT THE FUCK

>>181202927

Not that guy, but I lost the first team cuz I wanted to break the nest too and like a dumbass I took a Plague doctor and the Leper for a champion fight.

I got him and the nest in the rematch with no problem in just 2 turns and half.

>they nerf jester
>not flagellant
>fucking JESTER
FOR WHAT PURPOSE RED HOOK?

>>181202927
i used to use 4 finale and he was dead by turn 1 or 2
>red hook didnt like this though lmao

>>181202020
>>181202058
>>181202256
It's tempting, but I really do like her artwork.

Who here never used the jester and doesn't care about the nerf?

>>181203182
They got worried about crazy Finale builds.

Flagellant is amazing, yes. But is not enough to keep his team alive. If the team dies around him, he is useless.

>>181203385
Even if I don't use the Jester that often, I'm still disappointed.

>>181203182
Flag is overrated. His damage is just alright IF he can bleed. And his utility is dependent on whether he happens to get hit.

>>181202852
There's a guide on the workshop.

The short of it is to...
>make a folder for your shit
>put modded files in your folder under subfolders to match the DarkestDungeon folder
In this case it would be yourfolder/heroes/jester/jester.info.darkest
>go into DarkestDungeon/_windows and double click on steam_workshop_upload.exe
read the shit that pops up if you feel like it
>move sample_project.xml into your folder
rename it if you want
>open that shit with a text editor and fill it out
The thing saying /data is out of date so don't have that when you fill in your absolute path to your folder
>drag the xml onto steam_workshop_upload.exe
>go check out the shit you just uploaded to the workshop and don't forget to make the visibility public

>>181190539
Okay, viewing over the Jester changes, its pretty easy a fix:

.effect "Build to Finale" needs to be removed.

.effect "Mortal Weakness DEF" needs to be changed back to .effect "Mortal Weakness"

Dirk Stab needs its dmg boosted to .dmg 20% again. They nerfed it to normal damage.

Remove the .per_battle_limit 2 and .per_battle_limit 1 off of Solo and Finale.

Boost "Heroic_end" back to 150% damage. Hm... complicated. Needs some work. Will pastebin.

>>181203385
It sucks because it cancels out another potential team composition. Though it is silly to think that the Jester is the only way to have a shuffle party. You can still use the Grave Robber, Highway Man, Crusader, and the Man at Arms for some nice leap frogging.

Cartographer's camp for the better torchlight buffs or Athenaeum since I use PDs a lot?

Anyone know what the torchlight buffs are specifically?

>>181203984
Cartographer's Camp, shit's good.

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>>181203385
>use Jester since they nerf him back in the day
>they nerf it again

I get it Redhook, he is the Pyro of DD

>jester is now balanced around the dlc
of course

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>>181203984
You can always check the Wiki, my dude.

>>181203984
I looked through the camp files earlier. Looks like some nice increases to all the beneficial buffs of torchlight, and the loot increased by having no torchlight.

Go to dlc\580100_crimson_court\features\districts\campaign\town\districts

Open districts_districts.json with notepad++ if you want to view the values for yourself. I know its the first one I am getting.

>>181204339
Easy to edit him back to the original value.

>>181203984
Cartographer's camp gives +loot which means building other shit faster.

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>>181202451
>>181202613
this fight didnt go as well
i forgot to bring a healer

>>181204207
More like the Roadhog, but I guess both apply.

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>>181196313
>Make good art.
>Ruin it by plastering your name all over the most important parts.

Where do you find the new changes to jester?

So what's the likelihood they come out with another expansion, and what do you guys expect/want it to be?

I'm assuming they will, and I wouldn't mind a snowy mountain region.

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>look for nude mods
>find one for the Hellion
>tits are poorly colored tubes of meat with dots for nipples
>obviously drawn by someone who's never even seen a picture of real boobs
>now I have to try and fix it even though I can't draw

jesus christ look at this shit

>>181205270
Probably not until next year, if at all. I'd like to see a full on Gothic cityscape, like the first few areas of Bloodborne.

>>181205225
http://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=262060
changes are always posted here

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>Wolves at the Door
>Feed carriage meat to Vvulf as usual
>Can still select the Wolves at the Door mission the next week
I'm scared.

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ITT post yfw when you can't escape the terror

>>181204401
>>181204137
>>181204415
>>181204547
Yeah those do look solid guess I'm going for Cart camp next. I have Sanguine vinters, the one that buffs vestals, and the bank for free money

You're given a night to fuck either the Grave Robber or the Hellion as much as you like

No birth control, they're ovulating

Choose wisely /dadg/

>>181206215
What quirks/diseases do they have?

>>181206426
No diseases, both have quick reflexes, Hellion has selfish affliction, GR has Masochistic

>>181190539
Is there some easy way to check if musketeer works? I got trinkets for her but haven't seen the character yet

>>181206584

That's a tough choice anon, but my heart belongs to female Reynauld.

>>181206215
Hellion. I like chicks that can take /me/ for a ride. GR is fun and all, but fuck those shaved sides of the head on the Hellion get me hot and bothered.

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>>181190539
>Encounter 2 Esquires
>They used Skewering Repartee 3 times in a row and all 3 crit for 20 damage on nearly everyone each time
holy fuck I underestimated those guys, I always thought they were goofy looking and too specialized when you compare them to Chevaliers but then I hit the champion dungeon and ate swords for dinner

>>181206584
Sounds like trash.

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>>181207163
champ chevs can be pretty brutal too, to be fair

>>181207379
>turning down free pussy from the Hellion/GR
2/10 would not bang right my man? *tips fedora*

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Die

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Rate my Vvulf party.

>>181207163
>>181207720

I like how the Esquire and the Courtesant are pretty much monsters versions of the Highwayman and the Antiquarian

>>181208376
>getting afflicted pussy when you could help a vigorous vestal relieve her forbidden cravings

>>181208850

>he wants used goods

>>181208808
How are they all virtuous when it doesn't look like you've stepped out of the starting room?

>>181208958

He grinds rolls with stress heals and runs away from battle until he gets virtues

So does anyone know what determines how fast the torch light drops? Sometimes it ticks by 1 point at a time, at other times 6 points a time. How come it's faster and slower? Is it random?

>>181209136
He did the same thing for DD1, talk about cheesing the game. Shit like this is what Red Hook will eventually catch on and nerf stress heals as a result

Then butthurt gooks and powergamers will edit the game's settings back because their cheese strats are now worthless

>>181208950
One of her mashochistic lines is "My mortified flesh armors me against your hate!"

>>181209162
It ticks by 1 in explored areas, 6 in unexplored areas, and boosted to 7 stygian.

>>181209162
It loses 1 point when you've already been in a room

>>181209162
If the area is already explored, it ticks less.
The tickrate is different depending on the area. In the Weald for example, torchlight drops noticeably faster per square explored.

>>181209572
nope, this is wrong. on radiant and darkest, torchlight drops by 6/square, if it's unexplored, 7/square on stygian/bloodmoon. if it's explored, regardless of difficulty, it's 1/square. area doesnt change anything about this

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>>181206584
Hellion.

Grave Robber is used goods.

Top tier waifu: Hellion
Good tier waifu: Grave Robber
Backer only waifu: Musketeer
Mid tier Waifu:
Meme tier Waifu: Plague Doctor
Low tier waifu: Antiquarian
We Wuz Waifuz: Arbalist

What is the lore behind the adventurers bringing gold back to hamlet?

Like why wouldn't they keep most of the gold and gems they find instead of giving it all to some lazy aristocrat who can't even fight a skeleton?

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>>181202256
>>181201768

Im the only one who doesnt like the Musketeer because she looks like a hacked Grave Robber mod and is a very petty bitch?

I dont like the Arbalest too so Im screw

>>181210960
Might as well give the foes some love too

>High tier waifu: any of the Bloodsuckers
>Good: The Hag and her gang of Viragos
>Entry level tier: The Countess
>Meme tier: Siren while she's cloaked under her illusion
>Shit tier: Cultist Acolytes

>>181211196
*whistles*

>>181210960
>name/trip fag
>has the wrong opinions
As expected. You have an empty space where mid tier waifu is by the way.

>>181211373
>the ancestor fucked nearly all of these

>>181210960
>the heir followed suit and fucked all of these
A entire bloodline of horny men with no regard for the death of others

Best champions in the game

>Grave robber
>Vestal
>MaA
>Crusader
>BH
>Leper

Every other champion sucks

>>181211593
>champions
*toons

>>181211196
Because you control the Hamlet, the only safe camp in the middle of the hellhole that is the Weald and other dungeons. Only kelptos risk your wrath by pocketing shit which is either a fire or a week in electrotherapy

>>181211661
But the heir would never know since he isn't out in the dungeons with the adventurers.

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>>181211593
This is the only team I need. Dismas, Reynauld, Baldwin, Alhazarad. Best team. Best brothers.

I just noticed that the Abom has the A from his skill tattooed onto the side of his head

>>181211747
The Heir is though. It's why {{{{Your Maker}}}} makes you choose.

>>181211373
>Good: The Hag and her gang of Viragos
>Shit tier: Cultist Acolytes

yr gey

>>181211747
But he is. Remember you are the heir. The heir can't fight but he is the leader and has the power to decide on what items to throw out, what hallways to travel down. How much food should be given out, which enemies should be attacked. You are like Wilbur.

>>181211646
>Toons

>>181211876
What happens in the event of a TPK, then?

>>181211804
It's a brand, I think.

>>181196831
Higher Bleed DoTs. Party Buffs. Consistent Stress Heals

>>181211979
you get the fuck outta dodge. You presumably have the map to retrace your steps back to the entrance. Just like how in the opening cinematic your ancestor does the same.
>I alone fled laughing and wailing through those blackened arcades of antiquity.

Which darkest dungeon character should I masturbate to?

>>181211593
Replace Leper with Houndmaster.

>>181211593

Replace vestal with occultist.

>>181212251
Hag_____

>imperfect reproduction
>all perfect reflections
really activates my curios

>>181212481
I wonder what she looked like before she mutated. I'll just assume the girl in the ancestors bed in the intro cinematic is her.

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>>181212786
This is why you get bleed.

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>>181212251
The only one that matters.

>>181212868
Hm...

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>>181209378
I mean, it really does strip all the tension out of the game. I'd imagine the easier fix would just be removing the the ability to cure afflictions mid-quest, rather than changing the stress heal values. Or alternatively, just rework the +virtue trinkets since it's not like anyone actually uses them unless they're pulling shit like this.

>>181212786
>no DoTs
you deserved this

>>181212868
>eyes

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>>181211404
Vestal was gonna go in the empty space, whoops.

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>>181212585
Evidently the Siren was pretty cute too before she turned into a fish monster.

>>181190539
NO

I JUST GOT RABIES ON MY JESTER

IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO END LIKE THIS

>fighting Sunken Crew
>already lost my Arb to his bleed
>Anchorman hooks my HM which was at the front thanks to Crew's pull
>Hits 100 stress
>Powerful
>Anchorman can't pull my virtued HM
Clutch Virtue chance basically saved the run

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>>181213447
>fighting the crew
>not shuffling them to the front to make the anchorman useless

Good morning dadg

>>181205363
that looks so shitty lmao

why would you even want nudes of that

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>>181213191
IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT, YOU SICK FUCK?

So what is Blight lorewise? It can't be poison, otherwise skeletons would be immune to it as well.

>>181199646
>Bring a specific setup for this one boss that can show up in essentially every dungeon once you get more than 50% of your roster cursed

Fanatic is fucking stupid

>>181213842
i just got fired

>>181213906
Eldritch acid.

>>181213923
You can almost guarantee him showing up if you're using a party with four cursed heroes.

>>181213906
>skeletons weak to it, implying it must be acidic
>pigs and shrooms resistant to it, implied to be because of their tolerance for toxins
Blight is whatever you want it to be, my dude.

>>181213374
Did the ancestor at least fuck her once before throwing her to the fishmen?

>>181213513
I didn't even know you could move the Crew. Do they have a high move resist?

And is there any benefit in killing the shrieker? I believe I've killed it once in the lower levels, but now it's back in Champion form. Should I focus it down or its nest?

>>181213956
For real though?

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>>181212585
>I'll just assume the girl in the ancestors bed in the intro cinematic is her.

It's more likely the hag before she became a landwhale. Ancestor only saw the "waif" who was following him as a pest and tossing her into the ocean was just killing two birds with one stone for him.

>>181213906

Acidic poison.

>>181214215

He had grown tired of conventional extravagance at that point. Only summoning pig demons and being a big jerk could get him off at that point.

>>181214293

>Quirk: newfag

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Just how many letters did the ancestor send?

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>>181213740
The guy that made that also made topless skins for other characters. They're just as bad.

Like I said, I can't draw but this is what I have so far. It seems better.

>>181214246
It's pretty high, 145% at champion level. The bounty hunter can usually do it pretty easily with the grenade, though. On the other hand, the anchorman has 200+ resist so you can't move him directly. It's a bit odd how you can only do it with one but not the other.

>>181214359
He was talking about the Hag though.

I just came out of the first CC dungeon with 4 CC trinkets

Feels good man

Best Ancestral trinkets?

I just got the candle and it's pretty solid, especially since I try to have my torch above 75/radiant light as possible

>>181214796
Pen and musket ball for damage, lantern is also great in champ dungeons because a bad surprised shuffle can utterly ruin your run. Scroll is a decent alternative to Junia's head and coat is good for dodge tanks, map is useful in collect or activate missions in order to scout the best possible route

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>>181213447
Boy do I know what that feels like: PIc related.

>>181215279
Unfortunately the HM died afterwards in a room battle fight, he couldn't dodge to save his life and the fishmen just kept wailing on him at death's door. We were one turn away from winning that fight too

F

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>>181190539
What if the Jester did a portion or equal damage to himself with Finale?

>>181215637
Congratulations, you've somehow nerfed Finale even harder than the devs did.

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>>181215482
>beat boss
>quest complete
>party at low health, -1 member and at wits end
>"yeah I think I'll keep exploring the dungeon"

There's overconfidence and then there's retardation.

>>181215789
it wouldn't be USELESS THOUGH

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13320649

>>181215637
>What if this skill instantly put you on death's door
sounds great

assuming you are gunning for the ending in as little weeks as humanly possible, how much will it take?

Some guy did it in 16.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPw-rGU6gBI

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>lock in eagle eye for GR
>she gets precise striker next mission
fucking shitfucks

I really like the flavour of the change for finale.
I always thought of it like a strong finisher after buffs+solo and not a instagib :-DDDD the 3rd row in the first second of the fight with speed+damage trinkets.
With proper balance to compensate is a step in the right direction

I hate balance fags, Jester was fun as fuck, and not even that op, also I wanted to run a four jester team for laughs with the district building and they ruined it

>>181219658
problem is its a shitty finisher

slim chance it gets buffed to a usable level

>>181219745
Yep they should tune it to scale much faster.
The high damage is not that important 7th round in champion runs

>blood now stacks at six
why do you niggers keep cramping up my already limited inventory, fucking hell, does red hook just hate fun?

>>181219658
the concept of a finisher is retarded in darkest dungeon though

finale was valuable because the start of a fight where enemies are all alive is always the most dangerous part, and jester could (sometimes with some help) instantly reduce that threat level then just go off and buff/stress heal/whatever

a finisher is pointless because by the time you've got enough buffs up to use it you're already either past the most dangerous part of the fight or you're dead

new player here, about 10 hours in and I still can't do anything longer than short dungeons

I'm probably bad, but my question is if I should bother getting the DLC now or should I just wait until I'm closer to the endgame

Does it add content at my level or is it meant to be enjoyed when I actually have a competent team

also is it just me or is doing a mission without a vestal suicide? no other class seems to come close in healing

>>181214363
How many heirs do you think he has?

>>181219658
How about we propose ideas that could fix the Jester's Finale.
> Finale now hits the two lowest HP targets and does increased damage if they're below a certain percentage of HP like 30%
Might be a bit overpowered but if they're trying to make it a strong finisher, they should probably buff it when used against lower HP targets, like increasing the damage or crit chance.

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Is this trinket new? I've never seen it before.

>>181220815
No, it's been in for a while. It's just unbelievably rare.

>>181220805
Rename it to "Interlude"

Bring back the old DMG and ability to crit.

Make it so it stuns the Jester in addition to the debuff and moving him to rank 4.

>>181219658
finishers are fucking useless in DD though, you want to kill people as fast as possible, not spend 6 rounds trying to get your finale erection up

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>>181221132
Time to roleplay as a wine throwing skeleton.

>>181220805
It would have been fixed if the only change that was made was adding the once-per-battle limit.

>>181220548
If you're into the game and think you're going to stick with it, I'd say grab Crimson Court now. It's fairly well integrated alongside the rest of the content. I'd hold off on actually going to the Courtyard (DLC area) until you have built a Sanguine Vintners (part of the new blueprint/districts stuff in the DLC) so you have a good supply of blood available, because you will end up with a lot of cursed heroes.

As far as healing goes, the Occultist will eventually outshine the Vestal in straight numbers. It's a diceroll, but with a crit heal you can take someone from death's door back to full health. And you don't always need a dedicated healer. Plenty of classes can self heal, and some classes have lower quality heals that can fill in the gaps. Taking extra food is an option, albeit an unwieldy one.

>>181221206
>>181220542
Yeah, im not saying that the move is good (they could tune so its useful for some bosses or make it so it scales with lower hp) im just saying that is makes sense now.
You could call it ''Overture'' make the move do the same and keep cheesing the game, but i dont think thats what they intend to do with the jester

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What could possibly go wrong?

>>181220542
For a regular fight, it could be the thing you need to break a stalemate againest a boss and remeber you can swap skills before a battle. To be effecitive though, you will need it to be usuable from all ranks

Best heroes for Long quests?

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>Fight champ brigand pounder
>forgot to bring someone that can hit the backrow consistently
>Manage to barely kill the matchman every round
>suddenly 2 miss attacks and didnt kill him
>Oh fuck this is it, everyone is at half health and 50 average stress
>Matchman lights it
>ITS ALL OVER
>...
>Misfire

mfw

I hate this game

>>181221524
Depends on the map i think.

>>181221656
Ruins for example?

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>>181221330
>keep cheesing the game
im-fucking-plying, there are a ton of characters much more useful and reliable than jester, he was an exceedingly rarely used character and had a very narrow use already, now he has no uses at all, they didn't nerf Flag, but nerfed the one character that already pretty much no one uses. What does he do now that someone else doesn't do better? even his CC trinkets are fucking shit

and the dumbest thing is that the addition of the district is what made him really strong, so instead of just reworking the district (WHICH IS THE ONLY DISTRICT THAT BUFFS JUST ONE CHARACTER INSTEAD OF 3) they nerf the shit out of both the character AND the district, making them both completely useless. There is zero reason to bring him along now

>they could tune so its useful for some bosses
which bosses? useful how? with most bosses there is a very clear and singular tactic that has no place for the new jester, hell jester was never good at fighting any of the bosses. Flesh is for HM and PD, Siren is for cheesing with an antiquarian, Prophet is for mark team, who is Jester good for? which boss is hard to deal with when he has low health left? the concept of a finisher move is just plain retarded

in a game in which you want to end fights as fast as possible, due to stress, reinforcements, and potential crit debilitating your entire party, there is no room for a guy who spends like 4 rounds setting up a move, just to finish of some mob with 10% health left

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>>181220805

Some ideas I'm spitballing

>It can only be used once and it does more damage the longer the battle goes on (Koreans want to cheese finale damage? Enjoy wasting 9001 turns to kill a boss in one hit)
>It does more damage depending on how many enemies there are (weak damage if there are four enemies, very strong damage against one enemy (so no matter how long or short the battle is, it's always wisest to use it to finish off the last baddie)
>accuracy and power is raised depending on how much health from the target is already depleted

>>181221524
houndmaster unless you can fit a bleed bot jester in

flagellant is good since he can spread out the stress for the dog or pile it on himself for camp/jester

any real damage team with a stress healer honestly

i like occultist more since he can deal more damage than the girl and can also stun if you run him melee or deal with the backrow

my cove team is GR, Dog, OCC, Hellion

they can do several missions in a row since the crits and dog stress heal keep em going while the hellion locks down the melee while the other 3 deal with the backrow

GR is the only one without a self heal, but she can cure herself of bleeds and re-position herself well

>>181221795
This.

Finale was never broken, it was a strong turn 1 nuke but so is marking in a mark team. Finale was nowhere as reliable or repeatable as marking, once you used it the Jester was forced to use sub-optimal skills to get back to the front, but required only 1 action instead of 2 like marking. It was a good trade-off, nothing more.

>>181221795
He made almost every fight a 3v4, had an amazing combat buff and made stress a non issue. He was used a lot. And definetly nobody filled his role ''more useful and reliably''
You're saying the same thing i say, the move is undertuned and not useful at all now, it makes sense tematically and it COULD be tuned so its good for bosses.

I suspect that all the people endorcing the change of the move to be a battle finisher are babbies who never do champion runs.

The way you do a champion run is by locking in things like on guard and quick reflexes, or using quickdraw charms, or surprise builds, you want to make sure you get the first moves so that you drop the heavy hitters or the stress dealers turn 1. After that the only people left are some low damage, high PROT worthless scum, that posses no threat at all, so whats the point of nuking them?

>>181222215
>He made almost every fight a 3v4
And marking teams make every fight 2vs4, so fucking what?

Finale can't even reach rank 4, it was effectively useless in champion where you want to kill the Skiver/Virago/Bearer/Ghast first and they always hang back at rank 4.

>>181222215
>And definetly nobody filled his role ''more useful and reliably''
houndmaster was and still is straight up better, his camping skills make stress a non-issue, he has a reliable attack that could hit any position, he is usefull from any position, has synergy with marking teams, useful vs a lot of bosses

and don't forget that district is a massive investment, its an expensive mid-to-late game thing you build, and his district only buffs HIM, and not 3 characters, so Jester is now complete crap without the district, and still underperformer with A MASSIVE INVESTMENT

>>181222403
>that district is a massive investment
I don't know what it costs now, but before it was only 40 crests. It was the cheapest district by far.

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>caregivers convention
time to lock in those traits baby!

>>181222373
Marking teams need setup, and are based on damage.
He was a 1st round already marked enemy arbalest.
I think all of these enemies can spawn in 3 tho? Im not sure

>>181222480
its the only blueprint you have access to early game

you wont get one till you clear a veteran boss

most districts are so expensive that it seems making the vintner first will be the best

>>181222242

Fucking this, I started using the jester for the first time last week and the only saving grace it has is:
>Finale > speed buff/stress heal > speed buff/stress heal > solo > Finale

All the other move are worthless with his low attack and shit hitbox.

does the random trinket the CC boss gives as a reward for his mission ever change?

those vestal beads seem really bad

>>181222480
its also a bluerprint, so you will only build it after vintners, and even a cartographers, and now they made it more expensive

>>181222403
Houndmaster is another amazing character, but hes used as a stunner/dodge tank/on demand burst damage on mark teams.
You dont get ''reliable'' stress healing and party battle buffing as a HM.
I think maybe now that finale is trash the district should add another buffs for the jester to compensate.

>>181222583
>Marking teams need setup
Yes, they need 2 actions instead of one, but they are much more flexible, don't get debuffed, don't get shuffled to the back where they can no longer deal good damage, apply debuffs to the enemy and so on.

It's called a trade-off and it was a reasonable one.

>I think all of these enemies can spawn in 3 tho?
Extremaly rarely. Way to rarely for Finale to be used as a reliable way to kill them turn 1.

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I like the thematic change to Finale, but I feel like it needs to decide what it wants to be a bit more decisively. If it's going to be single use per fight then it needs to be the nuke that it was pre-nerf, or if it wants to be less of a nuke then it doesn't need to be so limited in its usage. I feel like they've limited his kit too much by trying to have their cake and eat it too on how many moves focus on Finale set up now. I like that they gave most of his normal moves buffs to it because it shows that you can prep the move while you're just doing what you'd want to do with the class anyway, but the problem is that it limits his scope so hard and the end result of Finale not being as effective as it once was regardless of set up makes it feel lack luster. The issue is just that the combat in this game doesn't really lend itself to the idea of taking this amount of time to set something up, and especially if you can get the same result in terms of damage after a couple of turns with a good DPS party. I don't think RH is wrong to want to futz around with the ability, but I don't think all the changes really insentivise us as players to use the ability at all over other builds for both the Jester and other damage dealers.

I don't think everyone needs to act like this is the end of the world though. They said both in the patch and in the comments of said patch that they're just trying something out and want to get feedback. It's not like they're planning to leave it like this after all the negative feedback they've gotten thus far, it's just a matter of how we as players phrase our dislike of the change and how they as Devs interpret that given info.

>>181222806
Yeah i agree, but i think the moving back is not a bad tradeoff though considering you want jester as an utility buffer.
Lets hope they keep tweaking the skill so jester doesnt become trash tier like he was before

What heroes synergise the best?
I know having two hero's the benefit from marking targets is good (hound master/bounty hunter), but is there any others i should know?

>>181223031
I ran Hellion, Flag, Jester/Highwayman, Vestal for the majority of the CC missions and it absolutely wrecked shit up.

>>181222203
The very first Crimson court clear was from 4 jesters spamming finale and stacks of 12 herb. There are no bosses that can withstand the sheer dps from Finale with herbs and its super effective for CC because you can go into any boss battle fresh

>>181223031

Occultist/Musketeer/HM/BH is pretty good with speed, dodge or protection on the front line. Musketeer and BH will be dealing massive damage.

>>181223134
just limit him to one clown per party, like they did with the flag, then, finisher moves are useless

>>181223031
I like musk/hm/occ/bh

>>181222661
>hitbox
Hm?

>>181223358

HP, its basically the same thing you nigger. Stop bumping this thread with lousy questions.

>>181223452
>A hitbox is an invisible shape commonly used in video games for real-time collision detection.

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>>181223452

what did they change with "Standardized crit chances of heals."?

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>Wake up
>Finale nerf
This is fine.
It's not like Finale Jester was the most fun I've had in this game or anything.

Maybe it's time to take a break, play other games. I only came back for CC anyways.

>>181223452
Wh-what the fuck do I even say to this?

>>181222926
>muh thematic
There is nothing about the Jester that requires an execute except the name 'Finale' which could be renamed

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>>181223916
people who obsess over muh balance are the cancer that kills all the fun, its the reason why PoE was so fucking boring, because they never balance classes by buffing the shitty ones, no they nerf the few that are fun

Guys what about setting up finale in multiple fights?
I mean keeping the buffs from fight to fight so you spend the easier battles buffing it and drop it on the hardest ones.
Would be similar to the old one and solves the herb cheese, and also makes more sense thematically

>>181223515
>>181223749
>>181223965

You niggers are autistic. You know damn well what I meant and the game has both a hitbox(a bar defining health) and hitpoints(numerical health.

>>181224130
>You know damn well what I meant
I just thought you were trying to argue about a game you've never played, actually

>>181224130
Holy fuck, you autism has subsumed the rest of your brain. I have never once heard someone refer to a healthbar as a hitbox. A hitbox is this >>181223515 and you're a fucking retard.

>>181224114
They only last 7 turns which won't last long enough for most corridors

>>181224007
Why did you only respond to that and only to strawman it? I'm not defending the change and you should know that if you read my post.

>>181223134
>Finale
>dps
Nigger the Finale is the exact opposite of DPS, it's unsustainable burst damage meant to 1-shot single low HP enemy, not reliable damage output meant to kill high HP enemy as fast as possible. You have no idea what you are talking about.

>The very first Crimson court clear was from 4 jesters spamming finale and stacks of 12 herb
There is no way to perfectly cycle Finale with 4 Jesters, best you do is give the rank 1 Jester On Guard/Quick Draw/Quick Draw Charm and pray the others go in the right order. If they don't you are fucked and your DPS plummets to the ground. Not to mention you are effectively powerless against rank 4, have fun waiting for the croc and Viscount to change a rank. Marking parties are objectively superior in sustained DPS against bosses.

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Antiquarian is a viable hero for combat-heavy dungeons. Curious Incantation lets her tank revelations without the talisman surprisingly well, too.

>>181223916
Pirate the build 20108.

>>181224317
yeah, you would need to balance it of course

>>181224279

Back in my day, a hitbox is a rectangular shape that is use to measure the life of a virtual being. This is what I get for talking to kids online this days. Every single one of them is autistic, no exception.

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>>181224130

this jester nerf gives me insight as to why some people drop negative reviews on steam

the new finale is conceptually worthless

>it's a hero with OCD activating every curio in the dungeon episode

>>181224561
>Back in my day I was wrong
Seems like nothing changed since then.

>>181224561
Where the fuck are you from?

>>181224114
The buffs go away as soon as the fight is over. The huge debuff you get for using Finale stays around for a while, though.

>>181224561
Even my 50 year old dad agrees it's always been called a healthbar. Why are you calling everyone else autistic when you're the one sperging out and going into this severe level of denial after being told you're wrong?

>>181224589
most negative reviews are idiots complaining they died to RNG when it was them playing badly

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>>181224606
>grave triggers every curio
>gets every fucking negative shit
>affliction
>kills herself by being a retard in battle
>literally the only other affected is my flagellant that always gets mocked in camps to reduce everyone else stress
>Occultist and Jester just chilling with 0 stress

>>181224606
>>181224869
If you right click on the corresponding item while they're fucking with the curio you can get the positive interaction from it anyway.

>>181225197
Really? Never knew, gotta try it next time.

>nerfs in a post-release singleplayer game
Is this real life?

>>181225197
You better not be fucking with me

damn its tough to know what quirks to lock in on each guy

>>181225197
Is that a bug?

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>>181225197
N-NANI?

>>181225197
I dont fucking believe this.

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>get the graveyard revival event
>it's 3 level 2's and not the dead level 6 arbalest

>>181225789
>having 3 level 2's dead
You kinda deserve it.

>>181225665
yes

>>181224452
But then I'd have to start over.
Don't feel like messing with the code either.
No, a break seems fine to me.
It was fun while it lasted

How many people did you lose in your first play through?
Well over 20 playing on the one below blood moon, have most of the bosses killed.

>>181226197
gave up my first playthrough with about 10 or so dead, finished my second one with about 13 after trying to grind out the achievements

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>>181226197
Somehow I managed to lose 39 heroes in the 89 weeks it took me to beat the game for the first time. That's not counting the few heroes that got revived only to be thrown away.

For what it's worth my Stygian run and my current 118-week run have fared much, much better. I only have six heroes in my graveyard between them.

>>181226197
I still play my original playthrough and I've lost so many people that I actually don't want to spend time counting through all of them. Definitely over 60 or 70.

>>181208414
He's right you know. The thing about nerfs in games, you're taking out joy from people to appease others sense of fairness and if it's not the right call, we're stuck with less fun. Buffing weak shit makes the game more fun because there are a lot of reasons to use the other skills to keep us occupied. If it's downright broken skill then so be it but that's not the case here.

>highwayman becomes selfish
>"Why am I so close? I have a gun!"
>moves back
>misses

tell me i can rollback the update

These Jester shenanigans make me glad I got the game on GOG. I was angry last week when Steam was getting hotfixes for broken CC content and I had to wait, but now I can just not install the new patch and keep playing with old Jester until they hash out exactly what they want to do with finale. One of my favorite parties is a shuffle team with Occultist - Grave Robber - Highwayman - Jester. I already blew a blueprint on the performance hall, too.

>>181226197
I'm at week 53 and I've got three in the boneyard. My most dear was a grave robber who went down to the hag's pot and then got deathblow tenderized before I could heal her.

>>181226197
i made it to 100 weeks on my first save and only lost a lvl 4 arbalest to the second hag outside of the dozens of expendable ones i sent to their deaths doing lvl 0 suicide runs

on the new save 45 weeks in have only lost a lvl 0 vestal to the croc not planning on doing suicide runs on this save

>>181225829
>not sending lvl 0 fodder to the champion Shrieker