/domg/ - Dominions General

>>180967173
>Aboleth Traps Edition
People will get the wrong impression of /domg/

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NEW LA GAME WITH TIME LIMIT

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FinalCountdown

NEW LA GAME WITH TIME LIMIT

>>180967404
>wrong

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>>180951172
Thanks for the rec, anon, this nation is very fun to play.

>>180969242
>S1
hnnnnnnnnnnnnngh

>>180969242
There is nothing wrong with this pretender.

t. Bandar Log

>>180969242
DELET

>>180969242
this has to be b8

>>180969386
S1?
>>180971365
No, this is just my third game.

>>180971408
Astral 1 means that another random Astral 1 faggot who can be recruited for 65 gold by some nations can cast a Magic Duel spell with 1 astral pearl, win a roll, and kill your super valuable pretender.

And the enemy can try this as long as he has Astral 1 mages. And some nations have a shitton. And your chance of survival with Astral 1 vs Astral 1 is basically 50/50 every time, so after 3 tries you'll almost certainly die.

>>180971408
astral 1 means that any astral mage can cast Magic Duel and kill him.

>>180971647
>>180971656
Oh wow. Thanks for the heads up.

>>180971948
Should be fine if all you're fighting is the AI though.

is it normal to request a turn resend for literally every turn? I haven't received a turn file the normal way except on turn 0.

Also I definitely made orders and things for that turn I "staled" so losing that turn is bullshit and makes me not want to continue, though I will for now.

Horde must be destroyed.

>>180974934
t. Alliance baby

>>180974257
Check your spam filters?

>>180974257
what game?

>>180975790
>Check your spam filters?
It's not going to the spam folder and in any case a resend would have been sent there too.

>>180975896
>what game?
AIUrselfBoy, the newbies game

also my original turn and my resend requests have not gotten to me yet ugh

I want to go to bed early tonight. If llamaserver doesn't get its shit together soon I'll have to seriously consider just go AI and stop dealing with this

>>180975746
The fact is so evident that you refuse to argue against its legitimacy.

Furthermore, Horde must be destroyed.

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Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Jomon 2h file received
>Pangaea Waiting for 2h file
Pythium 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received
>T'ien Ch'i Waiting for 2h file
Ulm 2h file received

p-please do your turns

i-if it's not too much trouble th-that is....

>>180978497
No

Remove orc

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>>180979180
o-oh

>>180978497
I couLd do my tUrn, but i feel like staling today, My frIend. i hope you uNderstAnd That It's nothing personal.

>>180979314
I was thinking of doing a mordor mod once I finish the shadows of mordor game now that you mention orcs. Surprising that there arent any lord of the rings mods.

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>>180979647

>>180979698
There were some LotR mods for Dominions 3. You could convert them.

>>180979647
You fucked up.

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>>180979647

>>180979973
I might do that. I dont have Dominions 3 though so it might make it a bit difficult.

>>180980417
its on sale b-baka.

I'm interested in making a LotR mod too, maybe we could get a few more anons and make a full nation roster?

So i'm trying out LA Atlantis, this is my first game.

I've been building castles almost every province i can, building units, i have a basic unit army with ice armor-less units and one with ice armors (who cost a ton of resources holy fuck) also my basic army is accompanied by those big guys with 3W/3D spells+ 2 bless

I seem to be able to take care of most armies and my generals seem to be gaining a good ammount of xp. What i'm not doing is using up magic, i've been researching but not really using the non combat spells i'm getting.

>>180981662
And? what are you asking, or is this just a personal blog?

Try all the nations (literally, try all of them for at least expansion) and find one you really like the feel of. Then crack open the mod inspector and look at their mages. Once you know their basic paths have a look at boosters (under items) and work out what you can boost to easily with the paths you have. Then you can figure out what spells you can reasonably reach. From then experiment with spells and armies (preferably against yourself or other players) to figure out what works.

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help

>>180981350
I'm not spending 7 dollarydoos just to make it easier to convert mods from a game I'll never play. Also I was thinking of the shadows of mordor version of mordor in particular because it already has all the units lined up with their own descriptions.

>>180981662
Try summoning green lions or whatever those fuckers are called. Shit like maelstrom and vengeful waters is fun as well.

>>180982050
fug, i thought i put the question there as well.

I wanted to ask how do i use magic more efficiently? i feel like having a nearby mage with a lab to cast ritual spells while having 2 (or can i just have 1?) on the field is a good idea but when the fighting takes place farther and farther from the foward lab it will be annoying to move foward as well and keep building labs.

Also how do i into making items?

>>180982346
I'm not an expert by any means but a lot of the time you want more mages that in a fight if you can manage it.

>>180982092
bad!

>>180982346
There's no golden ratio when it comes to mages. Send out what you think you need to win your battles, every turn that they're doing something else they're not researching.

Magic is different for almost every faction, it really depends on what mages you have access to to know what you should be doing with them. I suggest reading a guide for a faction you like to get a baseline for what spells are good and what your research goals are.

As for items you should look to the mod inspector. Best items for cheap thugging are fire/frost brands and vine shields. Other important items are items that grant +research like lightless lanterns, dwarven hammers because they reduce the cost of forging, supply bonus items like caudrons.

Most of this shit takes time to learn, eventually it'll come more naturally when you devote time to learning the game.

>>180982098
>shadow of mordor version of LotR

I no longer wish to collaborate, good luck though!

>>180982346
You want to have dozens of mages on the field in big battles (if the enemy is dumb enough to doomstack/or during sieges). With W/D you want to be shooting for D evos and skelly spam and .... quickness? for water, water is generally shit.

>>180983759
I am a man of meager skills so I will take the easiest option available to me. Also I dont know shit about the lord of the rings actual lore.

>>180982226
>Try summoning green lions or whatever those fuckers are called. Shit like maelstrom and vengeful waters is fun as well.
Those sound fun

>>180983265
>it really depends on what mages you have access to to know what you should be doing with them
my strongest mages seem to be the 3w/3d 2 bless guys, i'm actually swimming in water gems so i'll try and see what i can cast.

>>180983759
>dozens of mages
jesus that sounds like a clusterfuck

Also i should just get a max level mage to search magic sites right? i've been using the 3/3s but they haven't found much and i could really use some death gems

>>180985904
3 I think is the highest in a path you need a guy to be to find a site I think.

>>180986093
4

F

>>180981662
For singleplayer, just do whatever you want.
But generally, LA Atlantis is a nation that likes to play focused more on scales, with either a death heavy or astral heavy pretender. Their land troops and Angakoks are really solid, but once they reach underwater, they get expensive but strong mages.
Their main game strat is to use large amounts of debuffs they're immune to like Grip of Winter and Darkness combined with buffs like Stygian Rains (which they can actually use effectively since their weapons are magic) and quickness which is an overall good thing to have. They can also use their Forgiving Fathers to cast stuff like Acid Storm or spam Green Lions, which is always a good summon to spam.

>>180985904
Keep in mind having 2 in a path guarantees you like ~80% of the gem sites.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=1398

Is there a way to build the building that gives the strongest mages and the holy troops in another province? kinda annoying i can only build them there

>>180993183
interesting, for the most part i've been kinda bruteforcing it, but i found a 400 unit strong province so i should really do those.

>>180994278
i've been extremely unlucky it seems, most sites aren't really yielding magical sites.

>>180994862
>Is there a way to build the building that gives the strongest mages and the holy troops in another province? kinda annoying i can only build them there
Nope, some dudes are capital only.

>>180994862
>Is there a way to build the building that gives the strongest mages and the holy troops in another province? kinda annoying i can only build them there
No, they're cap-only for a reason. However, you can summon stronger mages and troops using your gems anywhere. And new researched spells is learned by everyone immediately.

Is there any way to spam firebirds as MA Vanarus without using your pretender? I'm not seeing any F1S1 mages, nor are there F1S1 summons that aren't late game demon lords.

>>180982092
What age?

Also, that's awful for any age of riley. EA/MA wants order, every riley can safely dump production because slaves are cheap. If EA/MA take growth 3. Max a temp scale, because seas can only go to temp 1 so it's 80 free points. Dom8 is overkill unless it's LA; dom5 is totally safe. Drop the luck for magic unless LA.

what the fuck is up with ElvesAreFor?

Is it blessrush-The Game?

>>180982092
R'lyeh already has complete astral access and does pretty much nothing with the bless. With Dimensional Rod MA/LA can even get S9 caster from cap recruitables (1/16th chance) or their S5 hero.

There are times when you want to capitalize on the strengths of your nation rather than patching up weaknesses but this isn't it.

>>180997516
feels like it
i'm already pretty much dead

>>180997516
Yeah was a 'non-meme' game so people took that as 'time to blessrush'

>>180998405
>>180998759
I made a grievous error in not picking a bless nation

>>180997516
>>180998405
May I ask if there were any non-conventional blesses?

>>180999047
Every nation is a bless nation. You just need some creativity.

Helheim - The reason that it was so convincing that I was about to attack Machaka is that I was about to attack Machaka. The only stuff I had to hit you with on that first turn was that one provinces that bordered both of you and random site searchers.

Yomi - We tite. Don't even worry about the bumps. You can keep the gear.

Machaka/Oceania - Are you guys fighting now?

Abysia, are you here? I'm fine with you having this guy's cap if you want it.

I didn't realize that item autocasting costs fatigue, fuck

>>181003261
I thought that it didn't, but just stops going at 100

And of course NewGamePlus Pangaea doesn't make a double turn.

>>181003310
It does, I just lost a golem because of it.

>>181003732
Which item? Lightning helm?

>>181000987
Don't sweat it bruh

Lifelong Protection doesn't cost fatigue,

>>181003771
A scutata voltanus or whatever the fuck. I thought the shockwaves would help more than a vine shield against this target.

>>181003923
It's possible that it was taking fatigue damage from the shockwave if he didn't have any other sources of shock resistance. The shockwave does 10 AN fatigue damage.

So, we've all heard of Forester Bob, Asshole Batman and the Eater of Dead assassin.

What are some other niche strats? Mass indy priests with warbows and a F9/A4 bless? Mass Fireburds? mass orgies?

What are some real off the wall tactics?

>>181004064
The shield itself gives +5 shock res and resistance is doubled against stun damage, so that shouldn't be it. However, checking the item again, it lists a fatigue cost of 20 on the shockwave spell.

I also noticed this with a totem shield I looted in another game, with the totem shield having a listed fatigue of 5. Lifelong protection has a fatigue of 0, so that's probably why it doesn't cost any.

>>181004215
Huh. You're right. That might not be intended, though.

>>181004561
It makes every one of those items terrible, either way. It's massive fatigue drain for less than it's worth. If it hadn't killed my golem, it would easily have countered the 12 lifelong protections on the enemy side, and actually did kill 100 or so imps.

>>181004839
They're both summod items, which is why I suspect it's a bug.

>>181004839
HAHAHA, THIS WAS ME
Also you didn't have any lightning resist - you put an iron face on the dude. for what its worth, though, he still would have died even if he hadn't fatigued out. 100 imps isn't very impressive when I make that in just 4 turns.

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>>181006015
Wouldn't have been quite so many imps, though.

Oh well, one golem's not game-ending. Thanks for catapulting that other golem to the top of the hall of fame, by the way.

>>181006015
That actually explains it, since I just tested it and my golem didn't acquire any fatigue

>>181001937
that feel when they talk about you in the thread as if you're a joke and you can't stop them

>>181006364
It was getting fatigue even when it wasn't hitting itself, though. I guess other, less innovative counters will have to do.

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>>181006364
picture for reference.

so, yeah, no bug and no fatigue. Just a build error on your part.

>>181006453
The spell effects don't necessarily have exactly matching AoE. They're two AoE 6 effects, the damage portion just has the visual.

Are certain provs just more site dense? Ive had provs I find 4 magic sites on with a level 9 search of everything and others that only pop 1. Does the game tend to clump them or is it all random? I know farmland tends to have the least and wastes/swamps tend to have more, but just checking if there is a logic to this.

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>getting elf'd by someone I thought was my UW buddy.
Well Atlantis, I feel its time I posted the graphs I got from a magic site - I held off on these as I thought we were buddies, but I see the truth now. For those smaller powers in the game, don't be malakal'd by his rhetoric if he's been swaying you toward fighting me (looking at you, Man.) He's just as much a lategame power as myself.
Also sorry for shit quality, Straya internet doesn't want me posting this for some reason (again, I blame Malakal for this)

>>181007087
Forests have more N sites, swamps have more W/D sites, wastes have more E/D sites, mountains have more E/?? sites, there's some logic to it.

>>181007213
>that fucking spike when you cast eternal pyre

>>181007087
It's random. While certain types of provinces tend towards more sites and even more sites in a certain path (sitesearching caves with earth, forests with nature, and wastes with fire are all unsurprisingly good ideas). There are also sometimes map defined manysites provinces - Valanis has a few for instance (the giant tree province, some of the other ones with interesting shit drawn on) which again have a bonus to sites.
That said these just weight the random generator and its possible for a farmland to have 3 sites and a manysites province to have just 1 or none. Its just less likely that this will happen.

>>181007340
I've Haruspex'd every forest I have, 6 of them, not a nature site to be seen. I'm playing a fucking nature nation

This game sometimes.

>>181006378
Are you Sauro? I don't have enough scouts to tell.

>>181007213
>be blood nation
>exceed / match a gem-only nation's gem income
>Malakaled?!?!

Your research is shit, though, especially given your massive gem income. You should have a billion lanterns by now.

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I don't know what I expected.

>>181007213
>that shit gem income I had despite siteseatching half the map

>>181007213
Also:
>trusting frogs
>ever

You should have learned from my mistakes.

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So this worked pretty well. Probably can't hold onto these, but I do love it when a plan comes together.

Abysia actually has a hoburg crossbow province that he just hasn't been using. I don't really agree with that decision. Also got some crystal mages to go with his throne mages.

My one loss was the guy whose job it was to die when I hit a bloodhunting province, but the way he died was interesting. I expected to lose him to imps or pd, but instead the horde of blood slaves ran up and punched him to death.

>>181007213
I'm not super surprised about having the most research since I'm running Magic 3 and spamming the W1 coastal mages. You really should have better research, though, especially since you went Cons early. Still, the fact is that we're on par in gem income while you also have a blood economy, so that's certainly something.

>>181009869
I actually found 2 sites in your former territory so far.

>tfw you successfully suicide your entire remaining aquatic force while capturing the last indie UW province as an underwater nation
Upkeep begone!

>>180996869
They're more Bogarus's thing, which they can summon natively. Vanarus just has the ability to summon them potentially because of the similar background, they don't have the paths for them through their national mages. (Though you can potentially get some of the cooler indie mages to cast it for you, like adepts or a Magus)

>>181007213
Surprised I'm that high in the gem race considering how low my province count is.

>>181008656

You expected everyone to drop their wars? Lanka to sit on his capital alone and let Arco go for his invasion?

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sry

>>181008656
Help is coming. Fortify your last throne.

So it seems Caelum has nearly finished eating Lemuria and is about to start on Gath or Bogarus. Can't say I'm not surprised.

>>181014351
Actually, Lemuria is unassailable and their provinces are worthless (most of them were captured just before deadlands appeared, so they don't provide gems OR income) and I gave up attempt to siege them anyway because Bogarus attacked me

Real talk, why does Ulm have such an abysmal LA winrate?

>>181014885

Bad mages and bad diversity. They start out fast with quick research but fail to leverage that to achieve victory.

>>181014885
They suffer a big diplomatic malus because of their very strong (or early, rather) mid- early lategame but are easy to take out or cripple before second half of year 2 and it's actually not a good endgame nation: foreign recruitment allows you to get a research lead because of lower infrastructure requirements but once said infra is in place and number of mages is limited by upkeep rather than recruitment capacity, many nations get better bang for their buck from their mages

In other words, Ulm has to snowball and the snowball is often stopped before it even gets going

>>181015085

Honestly, I'd say it's just as much a lot of people just not knowing how to get a proper blood economy going and not doing it early enough. A no-research d2b2 mage for 44 blood slaves is a good idea, but if you only start grabbing them at the end of year 2, then you lose the advantage you have over other blood nations.

>>180967478
>If all three measures are draws, Lambert wins.

>If Lambert wins by any other means, he's banned from llamaserver for 666 years.

Is rleyh really Lambert? I remember fighting his Therodos. It was a major pain. I might have to reconsider my pick.

>>181015813
He didn't submit a dude yet.

>>181014885
>bad expansion without an awake
>need B/D to leverage their national strengths
>scary reputation from dom3
>often recommended to newbies
Pick one or more.

>>181015927
>often recommended to newbies
No.

>>181015980
In fact, I don't think anyone seriously recommends LA nations to newbies. Expansion's just too difficult for a lot of nations if you don't know what you're doing, and Ragha teaches you some really bad lessons.

>>181015980
People often recommend that new players 'play Ulm'.

I'm aware it's not intended to mean LA Ulm, but that doesn't mean it won't funnel a decent number of new players towards the nation.

>>181016025
>Ragha teaches you some really bad lessons
But it feels so good.

>>180935942
But I want each town to be a province.
>>180936036
I like clustered terrain. it creates topographic regions instead of everything just normalizing out to white noise.

>>181016370
Terrain should ideally, on a sufficiently large map, be clustered in patches of two to three of a given type, with one and four being outliers. It needs to be so that nobody is utterly screwed by their starting location, while at the same time, both diverse terrain survival and greater-than-average map move are beneficial.

>>181016358
Nothing feels better than starting within a few provinces of an enemy as Ragha and just sitting on their cap after a few turns.

>>181016509
I'm not super competitive and stuff so I care more about having 'fun' with my nation than being on fair ground with other players. If I'm a desert themed nation I want my entire nation to be in the wastes.

>>181016792
That's all well and good, but the game usually has nine to twelve players, at a conservative estimate, and most of us prefer winning a fair game to being screwed over before we take our first turn.

The only way I see actual huge regions of one terrain being viable is a scenario-style map with preset starting locations. Even then, things like "all wasteland for C'tis" would be a horrible idea without making sure that there's things to compensate, like a nile full of farmland, because no matter what you might say about wanting 'fun', you will lose if your income's shot to hell by your starting location.

>>181016980
You're right, I wouldn't expect someone to play on a map with me if they get nothing but wastes, but like for example people complain about parganos but I think the terrain on parganos is great! That warhammer map could be a bit intense but the most clustering of terrain is actually just plains. The wastes are just that, wastes. There's only like a handful of provinces there.

How do I turn MA Jotun Skratti into thugs? I tried sending one butt naked, using stygian skin and liquid body, but he got routed. Any tips?

>>181018658
Give him a shroud (you HAVE N9, right?) and a frost brand + vine shield, transform into a werewolf, liquid body and go. Stygian skin can help a little bit.

>>181018767
Yeah, but then he won't be able to larp an elf. Would barkskin amulet stack with stygian skin?

>>181018986
Barksking is natural protection, invulnerability stacks only with armor. You don't want to overgear your thugs that will just go and kill some PD. Don't expect them to be good against actual armies.

>>181019085
What would you recommend equipping if I'm to stick to the wolves' two misc slots only?

>>181019429
I recommend having a scout carry his equipment.

You can transform into the non-stealthy form when you attack.

>>181004086
Spectre thugs.

>>181019845
Flame spirit thugs.

>>181021376

ur mo thugs xd

Horde must be destroyed.

>>181026704
t. Alliance baby.

>>181026791
Furthermore, Horde must be destroyed.

>>181026704
This is not relevant to Dominions 4. Sir, I'd like to ask you to refrain from further posting.

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>>181026887
But it is relevant to Dominions 4.

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>>181027236
BENIS :DDD DD

>>181027236
Now you're posting penis drawings. Sir, step out from the monitor, please.

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>>181027298
>>181027315
It looks like a dragon not a penis you degenerates.

I am ABoneToPick Pan, FaerieFen Agartha, TurtleIsland Mictlan.

I'm currently traveling and I don't know how my internet will be for a few days so I might stale the next turn.

I'm currently at an airport and I don't feel like setting up my laptop, downloading all the maps and mods, then sending in several late game turns using my touch pad and hoping I don't miss my flight.

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>>181028459
Have a nice trip, anon

>>181028656
Thank you, FaerieFen Pan. Don't take too many of my provinces.

>>181000987
I don't want to war Mahcaka, he is 95%. Landlocked. I'm just securing some strategic objectives

>>181001937
Which one? Sauro would be my preferred second cap site.

Has anyone ever won or been close to winning with dual bless MA C'tis?

>>181030679

Why would anyone do such a stupid thing?

>>181031250
Because it's innovative

>>181000257
>MA Shinyu

>>181033370
>not quadblessing your Tengu
git gud, scrub

>>181033370
N9 Sorcerer thugs

>>181033370
>What are tengu, oni, and recruitable shrek sorcerors

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Is having one less magic scale on a research dependent nation worth it for :
>Dominion increased from 6 to 7
>E8 increased to E9

This is for awake erf snek

>>181034758
1) no
2) yes
it depends tho

>>181034826
I meant I can have both increased Dominion and Earth path if I drop 1 magic scale

>>181034969
Do you need +protection from bless? In no the answer is no.

>>181034758
remember the effects the magic scale will have on your dominion in battle as well and consider that.

>>181035196
And of the answer is yes to needing protection then the answer to your question is it depends.

hello im new here. whos this malakal everyone here is talking about? whats so special about him? i am not malakal

>>181037256
t. Malakal

>>181037256
Your best friend.

>>181037256
Your worst enemy.

>>181037354
>>181037930
t. Malakal

>>181030679
>not quadbless

There's your problem.

>>181027236
>13 provinces
CUTE!

>>181012429
Damn, that sucks. Though I can still get up Eternal Pyre and use the gems to empower astral mages into fire if I was feeling really dedicated. Anyways, thanks for the confirmation.

>>181039192
Vanarus/Bogarus summons are funny this way. For example, Vanarus would really like to summon Alkonosts (flying H3 priests who are also +2 inspirational leaders), but they totally lack S. Bogarus can summon it easily, but they have recruitable H3 anyway.

>>181028459
>I might stale the next turn
Not gonna happen. Postponed for 48h.

I converted that Angmar mod from dominions 3 like I said I might earlier. I didnt rebalance it or anything because I dont know shit about that but if anyone has any suggestions throw them at me.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQvrB13LOtaY3FTdS1ES09LVTA/view

>>181040880
There is a Mordor mod as well but the dude never made sprites for it so I guess thats a thing someone could do if they were interested.

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Cat = me
Mouse = unsuspecting weak neighbour
Chicken = Malakal

>>181043597
same

>>181043597
>tfw you're the cat

Bunch of fucking dust walkers in here I tell you what.

>>180976063
well a few minutes after posting that, a storm knocked o7t my internet. Posting from cell, won't have internet for another day at least. Pretty sure another stale was forced on me as a result. I am pretty frustrated over this garbage, two+ missed turns in the very early game as an early game civ. Really not excited to play now tgat I have been screwed over like this.

>>181048170
I'll reroll the turn to a previous one. Post your second backup e-mail (on another hosting, please) in the Steam thread so I could change it and potentially fix your problem.

At least you have an excuse for staling. Caelum, are you even alive?

Abysia, are you around?

>>181051190
Who's talking?

>>181051379
Not Malakal, that's for sure.

>>181051584
Which nation?

>>181051607
Ur

Why does it matter?

>>181051869
Okay. Carry on, please.

>>181051869
I was just leaving, I'll b back in maybe 4h

Agartha, are you around?

>>181049553
>(on another hosting, please)
Does this mean on another turn? Or with another email service? I don't have a non-gmail email operational right now

>>181059861
Another e-mail service. Though it's weird that you're having problems on gmail. Most people I know say that it's working great for them.

>>181059790
Yes. Who are you?

>>181060145
Not me.

>>181059790
I am, what do you need?
Can't steam chat, though.

>>181029334
Are you abysia? I'm going for marverni's cap. I can see you are close, but no idea on if you were going for it too.

>>181060550
yomi, and i am in need of diplomacy

steam chat would be the easiest, but discord
would work, too

Did you know that Malakal is in this game?

>>181061032
also is this game composed entirely of
bless rushers too?

>>181061186
why are you
posting from your phone
nigga

>>181061186
No, not me.

>>181061143
No he's not.

>>181061362
t. Malakal

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The saga of Pangaea continues.

What is a good strategy for MA Shinuyama? I tried rushing fire arrows and then doing some summoning but it doesn't seem to work.

>>181062589
>???
>Be still alive when your research goals finally come in.
>Laugh as Bakemono Sorcerers cast everything despite all being double the age when their Old Age begins.

>>181062589
go AI

real talk MA Shinu is a shit nation that you can't really make work

>>181061143
If I ever host a game again I need to make sure it's Malkal-free.

>>181062827

Why the hate ;_;

>>181063216
Just want a nice, fun game.
Nothing personal.

>>181063426

So how is me playing ruining that in any way? Ban the haters.

>>181028459
Thanks for doing your turn before you left.

I'll keep an eye out and extend the next turn if needed.

>>181062809
I realy liked the aesthetics of them :( , what are some good MA factions that have an interesting theme to them?

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How did I do, /domg/?

I took the heavy astral so as not to be totally fucked in late game. Also, it prevents glamour from popping on first hit, right?

Also, I grabbed L1M1 because I couldn't really remember which combination unlocks the best random events, and I think this was the one?

>>181063714
Agartha

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PANGAEA YOU STUPID FUCKER

IF YOU ARE THE LAST ONE TO SEND A TURN THEN YOU SHOULD IMMEDIATELY SEND IN THE NEW ONE

GODDAMN YOU HAVE BEEN LAST SO MANY TIMES IN A ROW NOW

FUCK YOU

>>181063757
Eriu doesn't have astral mages to search. You're better off going a high nature and going growth 3 so you can afford all their expensive elves.

>>181063540
The haters aren't wrong.

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>>181063714
Xib because at least you still got the best bloodhunters of MA

>>181063938
this

>>181063884
I played Agartha with a 9N 9E bless and I just spammed those Slug guards, is there a way to up my Agartha game?

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>>181063714
Asphodel.

>>181064390
>pic
hot

>>181064234
erf snek, summon hordes of magma children and living mercuries

>>181064234
t. TheLittleTriton Agartha

>>181064814
t. Stool Cory

>>181064921
Fuck, how did you know it?

>>181064814
I haven't enough research to spam anything else yet to be fair.

>>181063932

I've been hoping for some indie or appropriate throne province. Are they this rare?

Also, to me nature doesn't seem to have the same late game potential. This was why I skipped the cookie-cutter W9Ex. What would be high N Eriu late game?

>>181063914
Sorry, how many enemies are you fighting?

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>>181065116
vOv

>>181065934
2nd best gochumon

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>>181066030
Didn't we already have that discussion on /domg/? Sharo is obviously the best.

>>181063714
I mean, Shinu aren't unplayable. They do have things that can be done. They're just not very good, because of their weak expansion and shieldless armies.

If you want some more playable (but not overpowered) nations with interesting aesthetics, I can make the following suggestions:

Sceleria is the great utopian experiment. They're a disciplined approach to death magic, trying their best to create a society where nobody needs to fight or work because the dead are taking care of it for them. No way that could go wrong.

T'ien Ch'i have the whole "just plain human" thing going for them that some like in Ulm, while at the same time not being whiny and "but magic is eviiiil". They know that magic is just fine, and that it's part of the world, and their geomancer corps is genuinely scary.

Pelagia are doing their best to adjust to the fact that their two main sources of inspiration amongst the landdwellers got burned down and drowned beneath the sea, respectively. Now, with the lessons learnt from Berytos and Therodos, the less-elevated Mermen are quietly rebelling against their Triton masters by seeking out the secrets of the Closed Realm, which is to say the surface earth. Mainly, as it turns out, by drowning them in lions made of acid, but we all gotta start somewhere.

>>181067125
>Mainly, as it turns out, by drowning them in lions made of acid
But unless you're counting boosters it's the Amber Clan that can summon green lions. And they're tritons.

>>181068449
Shhh, nobody needs to know we're working with the enemy.

>>181030679
hello moggers

>>181067125
Nice descriptions. I would add Nazca and Ys to the cool theme list.

deddddd

Is ElvesAreFor Ulm here?

Is ElvesAreFor Yomi here?

Is ElvesAreFor Mictlan here?

Is ElvesAreFor R'yleh here?

Is ElvesAreFor Niefelheim here?

Is ElvesAreFor C'tis here?

>>181074007
d-did you like my story
will you like my next story

Is ElvesAreFor Ermor here?

>>181074196
I was just memeing I'm not even in ElvesAreFor
Post it pls

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>>181074314

>>181074261
Yes. Steamchat?

>>181074374
I do like it. Could have used an Aboleth instead of a Kraken though. Reasoning behind that?

>>181074685
I mean, I'm the aboleths.

This turn, I sent out "the polyp who cried shark". It has a nice moral lesson, I think.

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>>181074759
>I'm the aboleths
I know, that's why I thought you'd use an aboleth. However on review, "nice safety you have there. unfortunately something is going to happen to it eventually" is more threatening than "I'm going to come knocking down your walls". Good choice.
>This turn, I sent out "the polyp who cried shark".
If you keep on doing this, would you mind posting them to the thread?

>>181074671
>>181074261
>>181074174
What did they mean by this.

Furthermore, horde must be destroyed.

Furthermore, thread must be destroyed.

Bracada are cheeky little backstabbers picking on poor little clowns who dindu nothing.

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Arco, do a double turn next time, you fuck, or I'll let Malakal t. Malakal you.

Furthermore, thread must be destroyed.

Furthermore Ctis must be destroyed
Seriously, i changed my mind and wanted to revise my pretender like i did in other games but this time i changed the nations too and instead of swapping them llama just added marignon to the list
Can you delete Ctis ?
you can see that both ctis and marignon were submitted by me bcoz i named both pretenders the same

>>181085308
Deleted C'tis. Don't show your noobness like that, there are a lot of players who would be glad to feast on your virgin asshole.

>>181085670
>feast on your virgin asshole
:^)

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Don't mind me, just carrying these bad boys to page 10's capital.

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>>181087520
I'll help.

>>181085942
>feast on your virgin, asshole
>;^)

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Hey Yomi, if you're helping fight the dude who's huge and in your cap circle, I'm down and I'll make sure not to put stuff in your way. If you're trying to help him snowball, then I'd urge you to reconsider.

I just beat off another one of his attacks, but his god got away. Either way, he's got a shitload of land so while that means he can afford to replace the guys he's losing fighting me, it also means he has a lot of territory to cover.

So Ulm, what was that one attack about? A misclick or something?

>>181090202
That map is hideous, how can you stand to play on it?

>>181090915
It definetely was

now that this is figured out , can we go back removing Pythium?
i am willing to give numerous gems to anyone that helps me defeat them, with the number of them depending on the number of provinces captured

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>>181063914
HAHA THERE HE GOES

THERE HE GOES AGAIN GUYS

ISN'T HE SO FUCKING FUNNY

HE HASN'T STALED ONCE, YET SOMEHOW HE'S ALWAYS THE LAST ONE TO SEND IN HIS TURN

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME

Hey Man - can I take 11 or are you gonna go for it?

I love Dryads!

Hello, I suck. Can you guys help me make a Great Sage for MA TC?

>>181095453
Why would you want to use him, just curious?

>>181095453
>Great Sage

Oh boy here we go.

>>181095453
Why a Great Sage? Is this because of some game rule or do you just like him?
Asking because it's not the best type of pretender for MA TC - he's main advantage is magic diversity he can provide and MA TC is already great in that regard.

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>>181095576
Lots of different magic paths easily available.

Maybe something like awake Earth Serpent is a better choice though?
IDK, I kind of get overwhelmed by the options available.

>>181095939
>he's
They told me swipe-writing is easy.

>>181095948
Tien is heavily scales focused since they like to recruit lots of mages. You can also go W9 Sacred using the fish.

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>>181095948
Like this. A big strong dude who can fight with my generals.

>>181095948
Awake E6 erf snek is good, yeah. Magic3 is obligatory for your cheap and spammable mages, other scales aren't that important (more gold is good though).

>>181095948
You don't need more diversity, though having high access in a path is nice.

Awake snake or another monster+scales is a solid option.

>>181095948
MA TC can use a W9 monobless for expansion or an awake expander to help them get early resources, but in general their priorities are -

1) Scales. They have excellent mages, and more money and research to get and utilize those mages is good.
2) Something to help them expand. Their basic archers and armored crossbows can expand okay and leaves you with troops that you'll actually want to fight other players with, but it's not great without an expander to help get them early resources and extra gold. With a W9 or N9 bless, they can use their cavalry instead, and sacred cavalry are really good at fighting indies even if they're unexceptional against actual player tactics. N9 is nice because it buffs up your golems, which are probably the only thug-likes that you're going to go for.

Your national summons are unimpressive in MA, since they use A and E gems and you need those gems for battlefield spells.

If you want to do something a little different, you can go for a Luck 3 build and spam your H2 priests which generate events. It's like firebirds, but with recruitables that take up mage turns.

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>>181096495
>>181096598
>>181096716
>>181096790
Thanks for all the assistance guys. I see what you mean about the importance of the magic scale. +3 RP on every mage with such cheap mages is huge.

>>181097252
With an awake, you can probably get by with dom4-5. And you can probably grab heat 3 to get growth 3; that pop growth is pretty big over time and temp scale isn't as bad as it seems.

Since geomancers, your backbone, are fortune tellers, you can probably grab a level of misfortune to get order 3.

>>181097564
Eh, luck isn't bad since it unlocks gem events and doesn't randomly shit on you.

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Before globals, let's cover the deathmatch. The final round in particular.

ON THE LEFT, TRIUMPHANT ONE! PROPHET OF LEMURIA! TOUGHEST OF HEROES!

ON THE RIGHT, KYRIOS! A MIGHTY MINOTAUR!

Taking bets on who wins!

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>>181101540
Well, I'll post the two globals this turn while the bets come in.

Pan sent one on the subject of the deathmatch. He sounds so hopeful.

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>>181101750
Ulm also sent one on the matter. Remarkably similar message.

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>>181101941
But, well...

You know, it's probably better that the pans didn't take it.

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>>181102271
And the current hall of fame.

Does anyone want to play a disciples game with me?

>>181105004
Yes, sub for one of my disciples please.

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Neritia update!

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2845

- Turtleman Apprentice W1F1 20%WF
- Turtleman Mage W1F2 100%WF -> F1 200%FWE 50%FWE
- Dragonshell Lord F3W2H1 100%FW 20%FN -> W3H1 300%FEN 20%FEN
- Dried Shell A1 50%FA -> A2 50%FA

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>>181097564
I decided to go with Dom 5/Order/Heat/Growth/Magic 5, which ended up being pretty good since I claimed the Throne of Winter quite early, so I basically only have heat 2.

Just forged a shit ton of boots for my geomancers and am probably going to go after Marignon's land and throne soon, although Bandor Log has quite a lot of dudes sitting on my border and those Chalice Knights are incredibly tough.

>>181112358
you should try using communions. Here's a basic setup -

12 geomancers - 8 masters, 4 slaves. Have 7 of the masters cast Earthpower and the 8th cast Power of the Spheres. Then all 8 masters spam Gifts from Heaven.

You get a lot of firepower out of them.

>>181112358
>>181112662
Also, in general as MA TC you want to have a LOT of mages and relatively fewer troops.

If you are massing troops, your high resource crossbow dudes and low resource composite bows are good dudes to build up. Flaming Arrows works well with them (an F2 alchemist with 2 or more gems casts Phoenix Power, then Flaming Arrows).

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Yet another one of my updated Dominions 3 mods. Based on the sludge elves from DCSS. Many recruitable sacreds - I doubt that this was the right decision.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showforum=21

>>181112662
>>181112787
Why do I need to cast power of the spheres?
Also Flaming arrows seems to be F4, so wouldn't I need an F3 alchemist? Or am I misunderstanding.
>>181116057
Are those varying levels of slime creature merges?

>>181118215
>Are those varying levels of slime creature merges?
Unfortunately, it's impossible to do. They just shrink, like elementals.

>>181118215
>Why do I need to cast power of the spheres?
It's part of a trick to make your communion slaves take half fatigue, which is what lets you run imbalanced communions with few slaves/many masters.

Fatigue for communions works oddly, but I'll try to quickly explain below.

When your communion slaves are the same skill as the communion masters, they have a 1.0x multiplier to fatigue gained via communion. This is the normal state of affairs if you just summon earthpower on every geomancer.

1x Power of the Spheres plus 7x Earthpower means all of your communion masters are E2. However, PotS and Earthpower stack and both carry over to your slaves, making them E3.

When your communion slaves have a higher path than the communion masters, they have a 0.5x multiplier to fatigue gain from spells the communion masters cast.

(there's also other multipliers, 2x if your masters are more powerful than the slaves and 4x if your masters are more than twice as powerful as the slaves)

>Also Flaming arrows seems to be F4, so wouldn't I need an F3 alchemist? Or am I misunderstanding.
Mages can spend a gem to let themselves cast spells which would normally be out of their reach.

F3 can spend a fire gem (plus whatever gems are needed for the normal casting requirements) to cast flaming arrows despite being a level short.

You can only boost up one level this way, though. Also, you can't use more gems per spell than your magical skill with that type of magic.

>>181102271
At least it's not a djinn lamp. Imagine Lemuria getting a djinn lamp.

>>181124289

The diversity is nice but ultimately Lemuria wouldn't be able to leverage it that much.

Now imagine Lemuria getting the scythe.

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>mfw expanding into wasteland inhabited by some undead on turn 3 and walk into Pazuzu and few storm demons

Is this story events crap or what?

>>181127849
>expanding into wasteland inhabited by some undead on turn 3
Always a great idea.

>>181128124
Undead are pretty easy with a prophet along.

>>181127849
No, it's a special province that occurs rarely. Like that one province with an Annunaki of Growth and Rebirth and an Annunaki of Love and War, or the one with the Golem and Gargoyles and Monstrums.

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NEW LA GAME WITH TIME LIMIT

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FinalCountdown

NEW LA GAME WITH TIME LIMIT

STARTING SOON GET YOUR DUDES IN

>>181129991
Can it not be on Aran? That map is fucking hideous.

>>181130094
Yeah, I forgot to change it, hang on.

Jesus Fucking Christ

Agartha is literally in Yomi's cap circle, and Yomi attacks me instead.

>>181131315
we got a deal on that one, theres no need to be buttblasted about losing a war

I still dont understand what abysia is doing though, can you at least confirm that youre waging war on me?
it feels kinda awkward having your troops randomly appear and dissapear from my provinces

>>181131914
You are supporting a much larger nation that is more directly threatening to you against the smaller nation that's fighting them.

>>181131315
What are your scales?

>>181132310
Awful

>>181132349
Probably part of the reason then. Turmoil makes you a good target for Yomi.

>>181131914
That was an event, in the pronvince log it says something like "your province was captured by mercenaries, paid by your enemies"

>>181132416
They're not relevant to it, actually. My scales are in three provinces - my cap and provinces he needs to go through my cap to attack.

>>181132465
Then the lack of Order might be it.

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>>181132554
I'm telling you m8 that's really not a factor.

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>>181119440
Ahh, I see. So can fatigue kill off casters? I noticed my communion slaves were dying off constantly, and though the communions were really effective, they were tedious as hell to replace.

Anyway, communions of geomancers dropping sky rocks plus hundreds of archers and crossbowmen shooting flaming arrows was pretty much unstoppable in combat. Thanks for the knowledge, anon.

>>181132669
Fatigue can only kill off victims of fatigue-inducing spells and communion slaves.

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>>181132626

>>181132786
Yeah, that's my cap. You don't have anything close to enough guys to take it.

>>181132741
Well that solves that mystery.

>>181132967
Pressing ctrl+[number] while hovering over a script allows you to save that script as a hotkey.

Is it feasible to win this game without ever communicating/diplocancying with other players?
Or is the secret to winning falseflagging, backstabbing, and manipulating like Malakal?

>>181133462

No, I won plenty games with little diplo recently.

>>181133462
The latter.

>>181133462
You can win without diplo if you're good and have a strong nation that can both survive early-game gangbangs and won't be ineffective in late-game. Then again, it's /domg/, so it's full of scrubs who might allow you to win even with a shit nation.

>>181133462
Just play no diplo games!

But honestly, winning with very little diplo is perfectly feasible. Winning with no diplo whatsoever is very hard because people can get spooked when you ignore their messages and are still moving troops around, but also still possible.

>>181133080
So I could have been copy-pasting my communion commands this whole time?
Damn it.

>>181133462
Most of the games I won were because everyone else gave up.

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>>181133462
Yes. Ultimately, what wins games is decisive and aggressive play. If you happened to get large enough fast enough, everyone in the game could pile on you and you'd still come out on top.

However, trying to diplomance possible contenders into fighting each other and avoiding getting dogpiled does increase the chances further. To some extent it's grand strategical decisions you make for yourself (Would you rather attack this small nation that will never be a threat at risk of someone growing even faster or risk a destructive war against a rival with potential reward of eliminating one more contender and claiming victory when you're the only one left? That sort of thing) without having to say a word to anyone else but manipulation has non-zero impact, as does trade (getting gem types that are more desirable to you, items you couldn't craft yourself etc), negotiating borders (avoiding the risk of losing troops running into enemy expansion party, possibly negotiating yourself a larger share of land than you could actually have gained in no-diplo situation) etc.

>>181129991
Lets wait for more players please. At least 12 imo. A small game isn't likely to last till time limit, defeating the purpuse of the meme.

>>181135215
Alright, but you have to suggest a map for 12 dudes. Or Pelywir will be a knifefight.

>>181135280
Cartographic Revision

>>181135330
Please fucking GOD no. Those maps are somehow more atrocious than the normal mapgen.

>>181135330
Considering what it generated last time, I don't trust the stupid Skynet. But I'll consider it.

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>>181135330
>>181135420
Just use the mapgen program put out by the same dude that made the mod-inspector. You can decide terrain ratios, the number of provinces, and appearance too: pic-related.

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>>181136832

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>>181136948
fixed

>>181136948
Normally they end up 2 provinces to the right actually. However, that's besides the point: the map is prettier than CR and you can customize the generator as you wish.

>>181136832
>>181137056
fixed further.
admin, stop fucking with mapgens and play a big boy map like Urraparrand, Glory Of The Gods or Cradle Of Dominion

>>181137426
lol

Furthermore, Horde must be destroyed.

>>181133462
>Is it feasible to win this game without ever communicating/diplocancying with other players?
Beginner games sure.
For anything other than that you need to go full Malakal. Being a disgusting human being helps.

>>181101540
>8 defense skill

why waste the gold

>>181142552
He has regen and can trample though.

>>181142640
Size 3 vs size 2 at best

>>181142939
It's 1v1 on the arena, and he's blessed with N9D9 (what a shit bless btw). He has 26 damage attack and can trample size 2 scrubs that most people will send. Lemuria's dude's just all around better. If not for Lemuria, he would've won an artifact.

>>181101540
>revealing your bless

Fucking scrubs, you'll not the dope blesses didn't send a contender, I wounder how many people have scouted their blesses?

>>181143645
Lemuria took a rainbow. Basically, every Lemuria is a rainbow of some sort, so I don't understand what's the fuss is about. Something like A4D6 or whatever. Pan is D9N9, which is absolute hot garbage.

>>181143767
Nurgal why? I thought you were fighting cannum as well.

>>181144295
Who? What? Get off those pills, man.

>>181144295

Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...

>>181144950
Fuck you Bracada, you arent fooling anybody.