/rlg/ - Roguelike General

DISABLE COLOR EFFECTS FIX NEVER

I just noticed the last thread got archived.

>>180903889
and this is significant how

prospector is old and dead and nobody plays it
you're free to give it a whirl, take screenshots and report back

>>180902792
Brogue?

It'll always be shit.

>>180906118
Brogue is awesome though

Why is Grinder a "she" now?

>>180908513
Devs are all femdomfags.

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i picked up a ring of slaying +4 on D:1 and now i'm killing everything with stones

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>>180908721
devilish

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>>180908721
i just picked up another ring of slaying for a total of +7 slaying

>>180908581
transbians aren't women anon

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>finally get far enough with a caster to 1) get to Vaults and 2) get a level 9 spell online by then
>finally get the basics of Tornado (i.e. you can move; synergizes with Airstrike)

my fucking dick, holy shit

>>180908721
>>180908871
remember when you swung bread at 5 aut
good times
good times

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>>180909669

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>>180908721
>>180908871
>tfw you have +12 slaying, maxed out fire, cold, electric and magic resistance along with a really good fully enchanted artifact and you die in the fucking slime pits because you forgot to put on your corrosion/acid resistance gear.

>>180909710
>die because no rcorr
not really

>>180909693
That's not even the fun part
you swung bread at 5 aut, which is super fast
if you have slaying it applies slaying
fighting makes you swing bread harder
people won by breadswinging for damage

>>180909738
I had -36 on all of my gear before dying, resistance would have definately helped.

>>180909868
What would have helped more is not being a god damned shitter.

>>180909887
Pretty rude baka desu senpai, you dont even know how i died exactly.

>>180909887
imo don't get corroded

How do you do the new tomb without being a TSO/Mak worshiper?

>>180909887
the way this guy uses his own word for people he autistically doesn't like reminds me of kattfag

>>180910736
You jew them. Gozag+Control Undead gets you more friends than enemies.

>>180910962
I forgot the power of shekels. Not even the undead can escape from the jews.

>>180910736
yakkity sax through it with translocations. Use tele scrolls to skip the second floor gangbang and the second part of the first floor.

>>180904562
I did, there is some update from the beginning of this month so it isn't completely dead. Pretty fun game, actually. Not typical dungeon delver (though has a bit of that as well) but got combat - both through away team and space combat, got exploration, got some quests, interesting planets to check out.

It's rather unique. Just like Gearhead is with its mecha sci-fi setting.

>>180909887
You have some serious issues dealing with social interaction, don't you.

>>180911545
that one autist hangs around just to post negative shit at every opportunity

it's literally all he does

he never posts wins or anything

he just reads spoilers and posts whatever contrived logic he can to grief people for not reading spoilers

I don't think he even plays roguelikes

>>180909978
Cancellation removes corrosion stacks.
>>180912478
I post a win up every couple days at most, every week at least. Don't get mad because you're bad. rCorr is a BAD RESIST and it is NOT IMPORTANT TO HAVE.

>>180912787
then why haven't I seen any at all in any of these threads

>>180912842
The last OP literally had my win as the OP image for god knows why.
Pay attention, anon!

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This Orc was fucking outstanding.

>>180912927
that wasn't you that was someone's first brogue win

they didn't even get any lumens

>>180913051
I always die stupidly when I go for lumens desu.

>>180912927
I like reading brogue stuff but don't be a rude boi anon

>>180913367
I'll consider it.

>>180912787
>Cancellation removes corrosion stacks

I did not actually know that. I thought cancellation potions were just bootleg curing pots without the healing effects. Thanks!

>>180913594
Cancellation is !HW/!Haste tier in my opinion. It zilches so many nasty statuses.

>http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=0309d5a2b6d500188a5d0bf8e7635ab9aa1a2a4c

Behold, a proposal so bad that even minmay thinks it's a terrible idea

>>180914017
Yeah, I don't really get what chequers is going for here.
Malmutate is a weak monster ability right now, but enabling players to play roulette is a: a lot of fun, and b: makes more potions "usable" items.

I would call every potion "good" now except for flight and degen.

>>180915170
Flight is also nice to have, it is situational but it has its uses

>>180914017
Wait, does this mean that mutations will be more useless now in general? In a way that youll get shitter ones more often?

>>180914017
Well playing with mutations was fun while it lasted...

>>180918161
>>180914017
Weren't mutations dead already? Or they were in zombie state?

>>180918218
For a brief period, mutation pots let you play mutation roulette a little bit.

Now we're back to the old days of hoarding them until you get zerkitis or teletits.

>>180917576
>>180918161
>>180919021

It's a pull request guys, it hasn't been merged yet.

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I guess I should have used Apoc instead of draw out power, but what the fuck.

>>180919228
AROUND LICHES

>>180919490
Tighten your britches?

>>180919021
I remember a change when they did away with bene and clear mut. Was it not committed or that wasn't what killed mut rouletter already?

>>180920392
Mutation roulette became good because of that change, actually.
Read the start of that link, the committer explains the current behaviour of !Mutation.

>>180920834
That was good? Compared to the old roulette, you have guaranteed good mut, but you can lose them much easier.

>>180921036
That wasn't roulette, that was "you can't really play mutations until you are zigging and have 30 benemuts, because even benemut can give you -3 AC. So just stockpile !Cmut for zot, and maybe use benemut and lose your aux slots."

CoQ: How suicidal is it to dump Willpower completely? Will Psions just blow me up with Sunder Mind?

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>>180920834
>>180921164

>>180921779
Since you are retarded, there's nothing I can do to explain this to you better than having you go play 0.20+ and quaffing !Mutation a few times.

>>180921682
I am a madman who plays pure human and didn't bother with it too much. Granted, I don't minmax but I figured out that muties can have their fancy magic tricks - they try anything, I'll serve them Greater Evocation of Energy Blast Between Eyes due to my trusty gun. Works fine so far though I didn't fight anything that was both really high-tier and psionic.

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>>180922543
I got confused with who was talking about which version of mut potions. In this case,
>>180921164
>benemut can give you -3 AC
Most likely you're talking about auxilary muts for slots, but unless you have a helmet, odds of losing something important are really low and early on you don't lose that much from a slot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg_W2FrE3DE&index=4&list=PLfj09fCH4Mh7IdsBGtWCxW0pSJ_m9Jk8_

Very helpful for shitters who can't escape monsters.

>>180920834
You are fake news, anon.
Under the old mut system you couldn't lose because you had cMut as a reset button if you rolled poorly. As soon as you IDed a single cMut it was time for roulette. In addition, you could throw beneficial muts on top of a decent base of mutations to get very good mutation sets (and no, you didn't have to zig for 30 of them wtf...)
With the current mutation system it's possible to roll poorly and get stuck with something game-ending like teleportitis. And at what point does it become safe to even start? When you find 2 mutation potions? 3? I've had multiple times since the change where I only found 4 or so mutation potions in total for a 3 rune game. And it's now basically impossible to build extremely good mutation sets because the pots remove so many every time you quaff them.
I went from playing mutation roulette in essentially every game to playing it sometimes later on in the run.

>>180925652
>I've had multiple times since the change where I only found 4 or so mutation potions in total for a 3 rune game.

Just cast fulsome distillation over some skybeast corpses, dude.

>>180923672
I skimmed through out of curiosity, it's shit. He takes half an hour to cover something extremely basic and begs for Reddit upvotes "ironically".

No idea why you would post this, really.

>>180926029
thatsthejoke.jpg

>>180925652

Mutation potions took the weight of all existing potions, so they are now one of the most common potions.

>>180926202
No. What you say was only the case very briefly.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f56736b52f286704f8334724844c56c1d9b1c833

>>180926029
>Demise
I hope you remembered to like and subscribe

>>180926640
Ah, I see.
Still:
From 46(Mut)+29(Cmut)+11(BMut) to 86(Mut) to 66(Mut).
Originally, you had 57 weight of potions that would mutate you.
Now, you have 66.

If you are not playing roulette, you are doing it WRONG.

>>180926992
> If you are not playing roulette, you are doing it WRONG.
Those numbers mean an average 3 rune game will have ~9 mutation potions over the whole thing.
It's not uncommon, then, to find a low number. You're saying it's wrong to not play roulette if you only have 4 mutation potions total? To me that's an unacceptable risk. Previously, there was no risk at all with only a single cMut.

>>180926992
>>180927467
Just a bystander, but I think your definitions of "mutation roulette" are a bit different from each other.

I think the second poster (>>180927467) is talking about getting a set of 4-6 really good mutations, whereas >>180926992 is talking about getting at least a couple of decent mutations.

Getting at least 2-3 good mutations is all but guaranteed in the current mutation system, but crafting a character who has a Xom/Jivya-esque long sheet of good mutations is basically impossible now.

>>180909868
if you were that corroded you would've been up shit creek with or without resistance

rcorr would just reduce that -36 to -18, a number that is still very big

>>180921682
spend 2 mutation points on Mental Mirror at character creation
suddenly you can have will as low as you want with no oneshot threat

>>180925652
>>180931220
I'd like to know what game you were playing before 0.20 where you were getting stacks of good mutations and quaffing cMut willy-nilly as if they were candy.
Most 3-rune games you were lucky to have more than 2 !cMut by the end. And you'd be lucky to find even one !benMut.

Old system was just "eat chunks until you were satisfied, quaff cMut if you ended up with teleportitis or the like, then quaff benMut IF you managed to find one".
And even then, a cMut doesn't guarantee bad mutation removal depending on how many mutations you had.

Current system is miles better. Most 3-rune games I have 6-7 mutation potions by the end. That's 7 chances to remove teleportitis/blurry vision/deformed body/berserkitis/frail/etc. assuming I'm not stacked with other mutations.
Or I can quaff one early and get 2-4 mutations, and 1 of then is guaranteed to be good. But that detracts from my resources I might need for malmutate later down the road.

>>180919123
Yeah, it's not merged in yet.

For context, minmay wants !mut to be reduced in generation rate significantly and also the complete removal of mutagenic chunks. And he thinks this proposal is too abysmal.

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>>180939605
>complete removal of mutagenic chunks

>>180909693
didn't they remove this after ding dong dikku killed the lernean hydra with a meat ration?

>>180939605
Regarding minmay's idea, I somewhat agree. !mut is just a little bit too powerful/common nowadays. Not that mutations are ever *super* meaningful -- positively or negatively -- but it's difficult to find yourself completely fucked in the current system unless you get like 1/1000 levels of bad RNG.

I think mutagenic chunks can stay. Just lower the rate they can generate at. Something like 1-2 chunks max per corpse, and then lower the rate (if it's even possible) that sky beasts/ugly things can even make corpses.

!mut could also stand to be just *slightly* rarer. Like, instead of 8-9 in a 3-rune game, 5-6 might be better. I don't think the goal of the mutation rework was to say "yay good muts for everybody!", but rather, to say "once you're in the mutation game, you'll always be in the mutation game -- the new !mut just makes it a bit less painful."

But directly giving 1 bad mutation in that new proposal? Fuck that shit. That's just dumb.

>>180940554
I hear Hercules is still mad about that one.

dead

Bros the last time I played DCSS it was .8 or some shit, how's it compare nowadays?

>>180945103
actually playable and fun now

>>180945103
actually unplayable and boring now

>>180945103
it removed item destruction and inventory weight
and it added frogs

>>180945103
All of the tedium outside of pressing o and tab has been mostly removed.

There's a lot of compound removal over the past 10 versions though.
As an example, at some point they removed the need to wield a sharp weapon to chop up corpses. This lead to the removal of labeled chunks (all chunks of meat fall into 3 categories: edible, inedible, and mutagenic) so all edible chunks now stack together in 1 inventory slot. This eventually lead into the removal of inventory weight and weight management. Now chunks are automatically eaten during exploration when hungry, and are even auto-collected when very hungry.

>>180940569
>but it's difficult to find yourself completely fucked in the current system unless you get like 1/1000 levels of bad RNG.
This is a good thing.

>>180939605
>>180940171
>complete removal of mutagenic chunks.

Tbh I agree, because they are technically food.

>>180949656
Eh. I think the game should punish getting carelessly malmutated (especially in the early game via neqoxec) or rolling with mutagenic chunks.

At the very least, limiting the number of !mut slightly will make those things hurt more. Whereas, with how things are now, if you get malmutated or get a bad mutation via chunks, you'll likely have 2-3 !muts, which means the chances of continually getting bad mutations or keeping that same bad mutation are incredibly small.

A roulette should feel like an actual gamble, not relatively meaningless decision that will "affect" you by removing like 2 out of potentially 9 !muts from the game.

(Of course, this is all talk since mutations are rarely too bad or too good. "Completely fucked" more so means "2-3 bad/annoying mutations", where maybe one of them is berserkitis/teleportitis.)

>>180948223
to be fair, those last two aren't new features, they've just been enabled by default now

>get elemental staff in Lair:2
>seriously about to win my first caster ever

jesus christ

I just splatted to the Royal Jelly. It was my first time, I didn't quite know what I was expecting, but dying to the one remaining jelly felt really stupid.

>>180955748
>It was my first time

did it hurt?

>>180956445
I asked that it'd be gentle, but then it spilled out all these other jellies and they gangbanged me really hard. Now I got a corroded ass.

>try yredelemnul for the first time
>he showers me with servants
>start feeling like i'm invincible
>get paralyzed and beaten to death in the vaults
FUCK

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how bad is it to be over your weight capacity? Ive been at almost teice my limit for several days. my legs gave out at one point and im npt sure whether my constant pain is from parasites or pretending to be a pack mule

inb4 >mobile

>>180958579
still trapped in that military bunker, mobile-anon?

>>180958579
>how bad is it to be over your weight capacity?
Your stamina falls and then you get pain. At least that's what happens why you try to haul one really heavy item like an engine.

What are you even trying to do?

>>180958579
yes your constant pain is from weight
stick all your shit in a shopping cart like a proper hobo

How do I use Kiku?
I used to use him mostly for an army on demand for a level. But raised undead expire after X turns now.

So what's the situation with necromancy now? Is it is just a hybrid thing where it's purely support?

>>180954276
I once rolled a VpMo while trying to win that species and found that thing on D:4. Immediately abandoned the unarmed combat idea and decided to try and use the staff as long as I could. (If you train up to 13-14 evocations it's pretty good in melee as long as the enemy doesn't have any fire/ice/electric resistance)

This meant that when Oka gifted me a vampiric lajatang on D:10 that I was already working on staves skill.

>>180902225
bump

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>step into a corner >immediately get slept
>try to back up
>this happens after being put to sleep a second time
PLEASE HELP

>>180968849
>the wand of digging in the inventory
Epic, simply epic.

>>180948223
Didn't butchering with a venom brand poison the chunks? I vaguely remember that.

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On one hand, this is pretty effective for getting rid of strong zombies.

On the other hand, they're everywhere. I don't even know where they came from, since I don't see a slime pit nearby.

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oh baby

>>180974714
Eh, they're okay. They have their worth for Op though.

>>180976428
ring of shadows is op

>>180977108
Any numbers on umbra? I know it reduces accuracy, so it's kind of same as adding evasion.

>>180902225

>developing a roguelike for fun
>coming close to finishing it and think people would actually like to play it
>too scared to release it because bad social skills and would be terrible at dealing with forum drama
>also Es Jay Dubyahs found roguelikes and see people on CDDA forums accusing the game of being too male centric because looking at Playboy mags regenerates Sanity
>have no idea how to deal with conflict even online
>too much of a robot to release games even when the audience would probably be less than 50 people
>tfw failure at life

>>180977575
Post the screenshot here.

>>180977575
Release it here, who fucking cares about forums?

>>180977575
Just release it
Otherwise your work would be just a bit above jacking off

>>180968849

>6 scrolls of teleportation and a wand of digging
>doesn't know what to do

It's okay, I'm sometimes this retarded too anon.

>>180977575
grow a nut anon srsly

>>180977575
time to an hero
just write something about releasing the game into your will

Speaking of development, I had this idea of trying my hand at DCSS modding for a looong time. Anyone thinks it's worth it? Would you play it? Is it possible? From what I heard it's a clusterfuck of new and old code.

just died in ivan by getting decapitated by an invisible stalker as a werewolf

should have walked outside instead of waiting it out

could have prayed to sophos or seges (or maybe not with a concussion)

fucking lycanthropy

fucking werewolves

might have been a winning game too

why is polycontrol so rare

>>180977892

I don't want to become te next Chris chan anon. You don't understand how bad I am at social skills. I may just release it on roguebasin and pretend to speak Chinese and never communicate with anyone who plays it but have a download counter to stimulate my own ego. That's what I'll do.

>>180940569
If the problem is people scumming mutations with mut pots and ugly thing packs, then just make !mut not apply to mutations from chunks. People who enjoy eating the purple can cure their beserkitis by eating more purple. You could then, as a separate change, reduce the frequency of !mut, but that would create problems for people who do extended. You would have to at least up the frequency in Pan.

>>180978153
made a mod that combines yiufcrawl, hellcrawl, and circus-animals

Why is Dungeon Crawl so obsessed with removing content?

>>180977575
Imagine how your father would feel reading this post. Imagine how he would feel knowing that you made something and were too afraid to release it because you were afraid of what people would say. If not your father then imagine your grandfather, or his father.

>>180978267
I was thinking of taking some version and going over major changes with it (implement or not).
I had a paper sheet with ideas I wrote down, but I lost it and forgot most of it. Stuff I remember: bring back priests for all gods (maybe add some starting penalty), more abyss levels to make it actually dangerous for high level characters, but you have no need to dive to those levels for the rune.

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>>180978274
Because there are 253 people with commit access and whenever they want to remove something, they abuse their commit privilege.
There is no discussion, no debate, no gods, only man.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/03/23/making-dungeon-crawl-stone-soup-with-253-cooks-and-no-head-chef/

>>180978274
Because there's no plan and it's the easy solution. Getting people to agree on anything is hard, especially when there's not a leader or goals for the release or really anything besides ten people making changes because they have to shit out a release every six months and have something to list.

So they say let's remove it, and push the burden of coming up with the redesign onto the others and nobody wants to get stuck with that so away it goes.

>>180979610
>>180979107

>253 fucking developers for crawl
>about 50 ones contributing at any given iteration of the game

What the fuck? Even with all the vaults, I don't see why this is necessary. Crawl is a relatively easy game to program. 10 devs would be a lot.

>>180980114
open source game
maybe 40 of those 50 guys just designed a vault in notepad or added a 1-line bugfix or something

>>180979107

>Desolation of salt will be its own branch

Hnng. They better go through with this, Desolation is one of the most interesting places in the game but maybe that's just my opinion. Haven't seen anything novel added in a while, Pepes were okay I guess.

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>Playing old release of DCSS
>find Swiftness
>swiftly memorize that shit
>Find haste soon after
>memorize with all due haste
>Notice how similar they look
I'm going to stupidly mistake one for another and get myself killed somehow, I know it.

>>180902225

>there is no roguelike where you can mutate yourself to grow a penis inside your bum and start fucking yourself with it

>>180982498
Make a mod for DDA

>>180982498
Get commit privilege for Crawl.

>>180982819

Sanity meter will be a pleasure meter instead. Each time it fills up 'ya cum.

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>>180983271
I'm still waiting for someone to implement some kind of sanity points on CDDA.

>>180983614
>Shub-Niggurath before
>not picture of Quake Shub
I shub-niggy diggy.

>>180979107
>https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/03/23/making-dungeon-crawl-stone-soup-with-253-cooks-and-no-head-chef/
what a completely shit article that is totally characteristic of that website

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>>180979107
>253 people with commit access

Did anybody try Disjunction in the new Tomb yet? Disjunction + Darkness + haste looks like it could work pretty decently for just rushing the rune.

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There's like three versions of One Way Heroics on PC alone, never mind the Vita port. Which one should I play?

>>180985179
>3 version
It's only 1 version plus the dlc which is what you should play

>>180985179
there is the original OWH
the original's dlc, OWH+, (which you need the base game to play)
and the remaster, aka the pc port of the vita port. it has new graphics and art but some anons were saying its gameplay was worse? im not sure

>>180985449
>>180985525
So + requires OWH. I guess that just means I want to know if I should play + or the remake thing.

>>180985609
the vita version, and the remake, have traps which are not detectable in any way making in absolute chore to play. Avoid it at al cost

>>180985824
Definitely sounds anti-fun as fuck.

>>180983614
Ayy
>>180983873
Quake's Shub sucks desu

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First magic-heavy win!!!1!

Saying this before, but holy shit, Elemental Staff is so fucking good on a mage. The resistances and AC+5 are so goddamn nice, and it's not even awful as a melee option.

But also, motherfucking Tornado. 'Nuff said.

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>>180991574

>>180300805
>Ponyposter was apparently a major driving force for the general by bumping it.
me too, though
but I had basically stopped playing all roguelikes other than the DCSS tournament for a long while now, and stopped posting entirely once the tourney ended

>>180992350
same
i dont think i have actually played a roguelike since the tourney turned this into /dcssg/ again
ive just been lurking and watching japanese animes

I never had a breakdown I won a DD in less than 35k turns

or maybe it was in 35.5k turns

i don't even remember

also I've been play ivan and posting

as soon as I win ivan though I'm gone

Do you guys ever get tired of winning?

>>180994531
Depends on the game. I got tired of Nethack because I couldn't restrict myself enough to make it difficultt.

I don't get bored of Brogue

>>180968849
>>180968849
>only 107 hp
>on a fucking minotaur
i audibly cringed jesus christ
hep confirmed for worst god

>>180992876
I'm leaving too since I found a job; I guess /rlg/ can die as long as I'm not here to see it

>>181000327

>tfw /rlg/ is dying and you haven't even got your first win

>>180902231
because prospector is absolute garbage and boring as fuck
almost as bad as gearhead arena

>>180985130
haste spell doesn't exist anymore you fucking retard
and you'd be lucky to find even one whole potion of it before pan

Whats the actual progression in DCSS? I feel like i keep going into dungeon branches im hardly prepared for and then end up dead when a monster that is tougher than a rat shows up.

>>181005624
lair as soon as you find it
then do orc + finish dungeon
then enter your first lair branch, get to the floor above the rune level
then do your second lair branch, same as above
grab whichever rune is easier, then grab the second unless it's shoals
go to vaults, clear it to the level above the rune level (5 or 8 or hell maybe it's even shorter now)
might as well go get the shoals rune now if you put it off
then do depths
then get the silver rune from vaults
now you have 3 runes, head to zot and go win

oh yeah and dont touch slime or elf, and DEFINITELY don't touch them as soon as you find their entrances

>>181005624
D10/11/12 (if any of these floors are bad, go to Lair)
Lair
Orc/Dungeon remainder
Lair rune branches x 2
Vaults 1-4 (don't go to V5 yet)/Elf (optional)
Depths
3rd rune (V5, Abyss or Slime)
Zot

>>181006282
>>181006373
>>181006379
Thanks alot, ive usually gone as deep into dungeons i can before it becoming too difficult, then clearing lair and orc, then clearing dungeon, going back to clear lair branches, clearing elf and then dying in slime pits. Most of my characters have died in either elfland or jello pits so i can see why you are warning me about them.

>>181006282
>>181006379
Arent there like 12 or something close to that number runes total? What about those?

>>181008689
There's 15 runes. You only need 3 to get the Orb and win, the others just give you a higher score.

>>181005624
Dungeon till lair, if its pre d:10, clear till d:10 then lair, then lair, clear rest of dungeon, orc, any of the lair branches except slime obviously, 2nd rune branch, vaults 1 - 4, depths 1 - 5, crypt, vaults:5 or slime for the 3rd rune or even abyss, win

>>181000327
make more podcasts

>>181003440
Not only you are rude, you can't even make a good shitpost. Sad.

bring back sludge elves

RISE!
I'd play DoomRL, but I'm going to get drunk and too lazy for that.

Wise fwom yo gwave!

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Literally my first time ever shooting a 76mm and it does this.

>got a few items from shop
>about to pay it
>witch teleported me outside
>shop keeper chased me with lightning speed
>full health, 116 / 116 HP
>he hit me for 116 damage
>dead

Fuck.

>>181018887
And my faggot loader goes and breaks it completely.
What do, return to HQ or ride eternal?

>>181019121
should've trained fighting

>>181019270
ride until the motherfucking treads fall off

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>>181019536
Who the fuck needs a main gun on a tank anyway?

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I finally killed that royal jelly faggot, too bad i died on the way out because i got cocky and took the stairs you cant get back on which put me on a corrosive floor and surrounded by slimes on all directions but im not even mad because i finally managed to kill that jelly bitch.

>>181021392
Other race doesn't have this teleport problem, really.

>>181021546
I could have actually used a fear scroll or the shaft ability but i was too busy popping all defensive potions and abilities to think of that.

>>181021614
Always take it easy, son.

>>181022275
Stupidity kills. Since my character is in the dungeon-limbo now what should my next character be?

>>181022895
Naga anything

>>181022895
Deep Elf Conjurer.

XL:10 Troll of Wu Jian (unarmed) with 6 int.
Is it worth training spellcasting and ice/charms for ozocubu's armor?

>>181026759
No

I feel like this is a dumb question, but aside from hydras when should I be using ice form over blade hands?

>>181030957
Aside from relevant resistances and freeze brand, it has its use on something like Op, I think. Felids? (Can't remember how much EV you lose). Basically if you don't have AC and could use additional bit of survivability, you can use Ice form. And swimming when you need it (most likely shoals).

>>181030957
against poison dudes
against really cold dudes
against some cold blooded dudes
against dudes while you're standing in water

you can amnesia it once you get statue form and fill out your resists though

>>181030957
For anything that has some sort of poison, low damage but hits fast, when you need to be in water and similar and for rC for fighting some other ice attack guy like ice demon or similar

>>181003440
This is objectively false

On average haste potions for me have been as common as mutation potions.

I usually end up with 5-6 just in 3-rune games.

>greedy shop keeper bastard sell items at 10x price
>doesn't even have enough money, I have 3921 gold, need 11400 gold
>dig direct path to stair
>put random monster to sleep near the stair
>get out of the shop by swapping position with the monster

Revenge is sweet, I'll continue robbing your shop until you're out of business.

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Anyone else really liking the changes to DCSS lately?

I'm mainly talking about the removal of /HW, /tele and /haste, as well as Haste as a spell. Lategame was pretty ez modo with near-unlimited resources available.

Also bring back forest branch.

I haven't played Cataclysm in about a week. Have the experimentals had any real changes?

>reach D:10
>You fall down a shaft for 2 floors!
>proceed to step on an alarm trap
i hate my fucking life

>>181039517
Doubt it. They have a combination of feature freeze for the next version and no one really working on the major 0.D bugs so not much is added.

>>181037639
bring back square swamp

>>180977575
Just make up some random pseudonym, for fucks sake. You can even upload it to mymixtape or some other random file sharing shit and leave the link here totally anonymously. Really, seeing others playing your game, getting feedback is the best feeling ever.

>>181037639
I haven't noticed extended being any more harder now than it was back when you had +8 EV/AC and haste at the push of a few buttons, so I'd say it's good that they're gone. Although I could just be better at the game than I was before.

>>181040516
I've lost too many good characters from falling through shafts right before going to lair.

>>181043274
he's probably making it up desu
no actual roguelike exists

>>180977575
just do it faggot

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shits just flying everywhere

>>181052179
No one cares you no win having piece of shit.
Kill yourself.

>>181052589
i have a win...

>>181052179
Talking about browser roguelikes: do they use the <canvas> for rendering or are the tiles small html elements, like a <table>, or <div>s or whatever with CSS? I guess both requires Javascript in the background, but the former case is actual rendering, while the latter is rather a way to simply manipulate a text document.

>>181052589
Don't bully you fagnerd.

Every time I see people use /rlg/ as their own personal blog, I think of the dude on SA that went mad playing OpTM and masturbated over good luck runes that he drew.

>>180980114
Hipster programmers stagnate the entire game. They don't have any creativity so all they do is remove ``bloat".

Should I devote the rest of my life to programming so I can sneak on Crawl's dev team and bring the game back to its former glory?

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>>181052589
No bully!

>>181056027
No, devote your life to programming, but make a good roguelike instead

>>180980114
This number is so large because it includes every single one author of a typo fix and a tiny 6x6 vault you don't even normally notice. Core team has about 5 active developers or so.

>>181056454
Seconding this

Why doesn't anyone talk about Qud or Cogmind?

>>181057080
You know why, anon.

They're both paid games. Not much differentiates them from free roguelikes. Finally they have a shocking lack of gameplay and depth despite their amount of content. There, happy?

>>181057080
You should never spend any money on a roguelike.

>>181057080
You have to pay for them and there's less in the way of playing it like it's an esport.

>>181057392
>Finally they have a shocking lack of gameplay and depth

Explain?

>>181057790
you pay money for something that is done better for free. it's shocking at the amount of shit the game lacks when you can just not pay money and play a better game
besides qud is literally a goon scam

>>181057486
I can understand paying for a roguelike that's going to have massive amounts of content and coolstuff but they are just:
>find items
>kill enemies
>get more items
>xDD muh story!

>>181057790
Both games you mentioned Plus dungeons of Dredmor have too much stuff thrown in it without putting much effort into making it cohesive.

It is better to play a free game which ensures that the dev is making it primarily for himself, and he creates it in such a way that you (and him) will derive fun from it, which is miles better than playing a game which is made with a single purpose in mind. To get money.

>>181057392
I bought CoQ desu. I love the atmosphere and aesthetic. The sound effects really aid immersion. Cogmind I've played but haven't bought. The game has some really nice UI and good traits like CoQ. Basically, you guys are cheapskates.

Why is Aizul now a woman?

>>181058062
I just want to know why they don't have any depth since I never played them.

>>181058173
>I bought CoQ
>Buying unfinished games
You do know that we can just pirate the latest version, right?

>>181057392
If gameplay and depth meant anything to this general no one would be playing Crawl.

>>181057790
different anon here, i've only played COGMIND. the game has a great feel and UI and that's its only saving grace.

your options in combat are incredibly limited: fire at shit or run away (running away rarely works in my experience); the game has no consumables or rechargables. there are nearly no status effects to inflict on enemies or deal with. the environment barely ever matters.
90% of the numerous weapons, pieces of equipment, or enemies in the game feel the exact same and only differ in minor ways. occasionally you will find stuff that makes explosions but nothing exciting.
there's more stuff but it's been a while and i forgot.

also, it's fucking $25.

>>181058708
/rlg/ irrevocably btfo

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>>181058708
>He took the ``remove bloat" meme seriously.

What removing bloat is about in the hands of serious developers
>This item/monster/spell/whatever functions in a way that's very similar to an existing one, or doesn't mesh with existing game mechanics.
>If you asked us "why does this exist" we couldn't answer, not even with "flavor". So let's rework it and give it a new purpose.

What the DCSS team believes it means
>This item/monster/spell/whatever functions in a way that's very similar to an existing one, or doesn't mesh with existing game mechanics.
>Let's remove it.

Y/N?

>>181060614
so sheep into dream sheep
vs
removing snails

>>181060936
Snails are in the game though? Torpor...

>>181059058

>dev is so narcissistic he charges 25$ for his text-based roguelike game

He's a nice guy but I cringe when I think of this.

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IT'S HAPPENING
CALL RON PAUL

>>181065546
Can summoned Boggarts summon more Boggarts?

>>181065676
apparently yes

>>181063035
Wannabe roguelike dev here
What's the accepted model if I want to work on updates frequently and not starve?

Lite/demo version + paid full game?
Full game + paid cosmetics?
Full game + pay-what-you-want/optional donations?
Full game + ads and shit?
Full game sold for $$$ on Steam? If so what's a legitimate price tag? $10?

Thanks

>>181065546
BITCHES DONT KNOW BOUT MY ADDITIONAL BOGGARTS

>>181065676
Yes they can, they can even summon orange brains which can summon more orange brains and summon more orange brains which can summon more orange brains..

>>181066994
Full game for free with a optional donation, think vim. Or do the Darkgod approach (ToME).
Do a real job in the meantime, when you are a wannabe rlg dev (which is a niche genre) you do NOT want to have a unfinished game as your only source of income + you have no existing fanbase.
Your conditions are terrible because you are fighting against full/complete games that are completely free, the genre itself has a small playerbase and graphic whores won't even look at it.
Look at what previous devs did. Not a single one of them started with rlg only focus. They created those games for themselves in their free time, for their personal needs. Only when it got big they dedicated themselves full time to the cause.

>>181066994

>do all my work for me goyim

Research the market senpai. Also don't sell a text-based game with simple combat for 25 fucking dollars

>have knifespear, backpack, clothes, ability to cook, water containers etc.

What should the next step be

>>181067857
The market can be fucking stupid fampai, and I'm hoping someone on /rlg/ has already asked themselves this question so I don't have to reinvent the damn wheel.
Also don't worry I'm not THAT retarded.

>>181067803
Yeah that sounds like sane advice, thank you.

>>181068125
Find tools, books, a shopping cart. Upgrading to a pipe (or steel, if playing an older experimental) spear is a good next goal that doesn't take much more than under the hood, a few tools, and a spray can.

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>chopping up some zombie corpses
>suddenly explode
Apparently a tank drone coming around a building and shooting at me wasn't enough to warrant stopping

>>181069319
It says right there, "You're not sure why you have a laser dot on you..."
You didn't understand what it meant I guess

>>181066994
You cannot develop roguelikes full time and not starve.
At least not real roguelikes.
The target audience is too tiny and autistic to be profitable, never mind the fact that 25% are FOSS nerds who will never use proprietary games/ software and 40+% just don't want to pay and so will pirate it.

>>181070075
he was butchering a corpse, which is a long action that takes many turns
the laser didn't interrupt the butchering

>>181060614
I just find Crawl devteam's "remove first; talk about it later" thing to be spurious as fuck.

Soooo many things get removed that never get a chance to be reintroduced, even when the game has changed quite a bit. Pakellas (which missed the 0.20 cycle) is more likely than not never going to be a god again, simply because all the devs care about is removing features they don't like, rather than working/fixing things that players do like.

Wu Jian, without its creator's input, is more likely than not going to be removed from the game by the time 0.21 comes out.

I want to start playing wizards in Crawl so it's easier to get more runes (the most I've ever won with is 5). I'm thinking a Demonspawn necromancer, but I'm kind of worries about some of the mutations, like the one that gives you guardian spirit. any general tips for someone who's only really played melee characters?

>>181071641
Melee characters following The Shining One can easily get the most runes of any combo, by far. Enter Pan/Hell, summon Divine Warriors, use your TSO-branded Holy Wrath weapon, take minimal damage from torment by having rN+++, etc.

>>181071897
Yeah, but I love demonspawn so much

>>181071641
Demonspawn is dope, just quit char if you end up monstrous. everything else is goo

Have any of you looked through the new roguelike humble bundle? I'm new here so i don't know if they're all trash or what.

>>181073820
Doing it now, my minions are slow as fuck though, I know there's a recall spell or something but is that the only way to get them back? Also, I went Kiku, figured it was the obvious choice but idk

>>181074121
makhleb to be honest.
health on kill, demon allies as well, invo trains quickly
it's always gotta be mak

>>181074121
press ctrl-e or something
it makes it so autoexplore slows down and waits for summons to catch up instead of leaving them behind

>>181074031
>9 games
>All of them are smartphone games
>Only 3 actually roguelikes
>2 Of them are incredibly simplistic, bordeline garbage tier
>Only Desktop Dungeons is actually good (which is a port from PC).
Not bad, but not good either purchase. You may appreciate the bundle if you are a person who can't get away from his cell-phone, or you travel a lot where you can't just take your laptop and play games.

>>181070895
>>181069319
Then time to open an issue on the github project.

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This is what almost my entire Depths and Vaults looks like. Nothing but blood EVERYWHERE. Wish I tried orb of destruction sooner. It's pretty good

Is there any upcoming roguelike I can be excited for?

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>>181078376
So I raided the elven mines with a million orcs, and only this many remain. Rocco, the fucking legend charged in and became a warlord, slaying so many fucking elves its not even funny, he fell in battle, and I thought he was so badass I rezzed him. We looted the vaults together, and now this is what I have. Where do I go from here? This is genuinely the farthest I've gotten.

>>181058708
DCSS is a game where you can:
>foolishly wield a sling on the first dungeon level
>have it turned out cursed
>spend the next 4 dungeon levels confusing enemies and slinging stones at them with your -1 sling
>until you finally find an altar of makhleb and pick him up
>so that once you get to 1* piety you can stay in batform except when you need to cast spells
>and spam lesser destruction and lesser servant
>until you finally find an ossuary on D:8 and get a remove curse scroll

Just because you're too shit to think your way out of any situation where the solution isn't "use my mibe powers to tab shit to death", doesn't mean the game lacks depth.

>>181078678
>Beogh
I'm so sorry for what happens next.
Assuming you have your two runes, do Vaults:1-4 if you haven't, then Depths, then Vaults:5, then go to zot.

>>181079583

More like
>get cursed on D:1
>find scrolls of remove curse by D:3
>back to usual
>develop a strategy for your character by the time you get to mid-lair
>use that strategy and o + tab for the rest of the game

Crawl is incredibly simple and bland. The fact that you have to glorify getting an item cursed just further illustrates that.

I actually agree with you to an extent. Whenever you start a new race/class combo it's fun. but it doesn't take long to become boring again

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good fun

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not having rpois really sucks but whatever. always fun blasting the piss out of stuff with immo

>>181079826
I do not have any runes, infact I've never gotten a rune before. I tried before with an army to go in the swamp and well I got.. swamped.

>>181084004
Yea. try something else Beogh a shit

I'm still not sure what God I should use at the start for an OpFi.
Gozag and try to jew out good jewels? Oka for a good weapon? Say fuck it and just go with Dith and avoid Hydras like the plague?

>>180963385
You make an army of corpse drops then another army out of everything you kill

just heal by autoexploring with your pack of zombos or do it manually- necromancy still lasts hella long

>>181063035
My post was talking about Crawl's community. Which loves playing Minotaur and Deep Dwarf. The only time people pick a race that isn't braindead is when they're bored.

>>181075537
Yeah im stuck on mobile about 80% of the time and from the recommended list in the OP i could only get pixel dungeons working

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>get to attnam
>have 78 HP from eating spiders and having to run away from jenny so many times
>permanent ESP from all the eyeballs I spawned
>no fire resistance in the first shop or the first dungeon
>nervous laughter.jpg

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>>181084004
Don't listen to anyone who says Beogh is a weak god or that he falls off after midgame. The god is still really strong for the entire extended game.

Go do the lair rune branch that isn't swamp with your army. After that do swamp on your own - it's really dangerous to take orc followers into swamp because they get confused by swamp drakes and drown.

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>>181087562
Thanks anon, I have my elite three and they are tight right now, I got both runes from the lair and im looking for the vault. This is all so exciting!

>>181087729
>exciting
I dunno guy, you're basically just a warlord herder until Zot 5 now.

How do you survive wander spawns

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>>181087562
That's a lot of high-level orcs, orc-sama.

>>181086687
Just buy a plantation worker and have him scout for mines.

Protip: mines only explode once.

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>>181087729
Np, anon. Let us know if you need any help.
Drown the unbelievers in a sea of blood.

>>181088137
Apparently you just look for a working car and drive forever.

>>181088137
I use the same one-on-one kiting tactics as without wanders, just avoid making lots of noise if you can't leave quickly. Fortunately guns are kind of bad now so that's not hard to avoid.

I think if you are desperate and have z-levels off you can lure zombies into a basement and shoot them, and especially now that guns are mediocre, fire is better than ever. And pick an outside of town start, it makes things much more straightforward.

Elona is actually fun if you don't play with pets, Kokou is also a good incentive.

>>181091556
if you dont play with pets then you have to rely on your own inventory weight limit though

when i played briefly i remember constantly shoving shit into my pet golden knight's inventory for weightlimit reasons

or is weight just an earlygame concern that gets dealt with well enough just by high weightlifting skill?

>>181091860
Well, unless you somehow have a boner for things like plate mails and such yeah.

Rising weightlifting isn't hard either, just stay on burdened.

Really in my case, having pets become obsolete and thinking about their gear, potential and such is a hassle. I mean i barely manage to keep up such things in my character.

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>>181090072

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>>181092628
I dont know what comes next, really. I've never ever gotten this far, this is my first time getting any runes, and so far i've gotten 3

>>181092628
Nice one. Usually you do Depths before V5 but it looks like things worked out :)

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>>181088908
he died and I had to resort to charming peasants

>>181092812
Do Depths then Zot then win.
Make sure you're training lots of invocations skill so you can smite orbs of fire and ancient liches on sight.

>>181092401
pets are very good if you pick the pianist background and learn to cheer them on

usually the little girl ends up being as strong as I am, at least in a stand up a fight

>>181093268
I havent smited anything at all. I survived the entire map on me at once because I was marked, do I even need to? My invocations are a mere 3.6

>>181093561
You're going to struggle to kill orbs of fire with a war axe of draining. And if you take a long time their fire magic will fry all your dudes.
You probably don't need strictly need to do this but I'd suggest training only invo for the rest of the game. It will go up really fast with your aptitude for it.
Also, wear the magic resistance ring instead of a ring of positive energy. rN is the least important resistance in a 3 rune game.

>>181094125
Alright, thank you! I've done as you said, hopefully that will have saved me from a very sad death

>>181094289
You're adorable. Remember to take it easy through Depths and Zot, don't be afraid to stop tabbing for a few minutes to assess options.

Also, use your consumables when needed, I've died with consumables in hand way more often than I've died because I used them all.

>>181094757
I try to balance them out, but it's kinda hard, The depths so far seem reaaaaallyyy easy. But yes, I do take longer when there are more enemies. I have mirrors and boxes and sacks of summoning to help further. I found the.. ziggurat. probably not gonna go in there, but this is good for another run one day!

>>181093413
Yeah, as levels go by you inevitably come across random pets that are stronger from the get go. Little girls are really good early on though.

>>181094289
Just for reference: I used smite 222 times in my last game.
It's one of the best things about Beogh because it can hit anywhere on screen, will never miss and it ignores the armour of the monsters you use it on. At high invocations skill it does obscene amounts of damage.

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>>181095606
Hhhhhhhhhahahaha this is just fun to look at.
And what is.. High per say? Mine is 15.5 right now. What should I get it to for it to be useful for killing orbs of fire?

>>181096126
I'd call 20+ high. 15.5 will be useful for killing orbs of fire but keep going.
Depths is easy for you because you did Vaults 5 first when it's usually the other way around.

>>181095028
In my experience this isn't really true, the little girl always ends up being stronger than Claymores by the time I find them, and so on

but then she's the first pet so she always ends up getting all the early gemstones and such and I do take the time to watch what she eats and cook her meals

I guess I also always play midweight/lightweight characters that don't have to compete with her for gear

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>>181096409
18.7, I changed my armor to this for more resistances, gives the same AC, 2 less STR. Am I ready to go fight some guys and get the orb of zot? Keep in mind i'm gonna probably die irl if i fail here because oh my gosh

>>181097450
Yep, do it.
Read one of your magic mapping on Zot 1 and the other on Zot 5. Those are the most dangerous floors.
Be very wary of moths of wrath - you might want to smite them if there's a draconian pack around because it will make them all go berserk.
On Zot 5, clear all of the outside bit before you head into the chamber.
Good luck, anon.

Apparently the bakuretsuken special action is retarded strong, it deals 400-600 sound damage AOE, for measly 30 martial arts skill, also body blow causing dim is too good.

Wait

Mennas

MENNAS

MENACE

fuck

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Why is it a sin for chaotics to hurt civilians?

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>>181098846
REEEEEEEE

>>181098846
??? what do you think chaotic means

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>>181099268
>rapefugees come into my sokoban
>kill them
>somehow I'm the bad guy
Now I am enlightened, not by my faith in Set but by my desire to push boulders into pits.

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>>181097754
HEAVY BREATHING

>>181099292
It means you get to do whatever you want, including killing people for standing in a hallway.

So I guess Atavus enchants your armor slots and gifts you treasure chests with random loot now when you pray to him.

He's basically the best.

I want that arcanite chain mail though.

Is using guns viable in dda with wander spawns on

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>>181099762
OH MY GOSH WHAT IS HAPPENING WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

>>181100653
pro tip: do not fight the lords of pandemonium unless you love getting glaciated for 120 damage
instead, walk away from them

>>181100653
Time to get back to D1, anon.
Run from things if you can rather than fight.

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>>181100852
>>181101103


I KEEP GETTING TELEPORTED THIS ISNT FAIR WHAT DO I DO

>>181101162
it's been a while since i played dcss
when you have ORB does ?blink turn semicontrolled or completely uncontrolled nowadays?

>>181101162
Drink a haste potion for starters

>>181101162
Quaff your haste potion. Run back towards your phantom panlords for help.

>>181098846
what game

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>>181101273
Blinking when in zot is always uncontrollable
>>181101373
>>181101443
I did and now I took 30. I somehow teleported closer though. I'm extremely unsure if I should be quaffing abrosia or somethng

>>181101557
Not ambrosia, no.
Now that you're hasted and away from him, can you just run?

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>>181101683
THIS ISNT REALLY WORKING OUT SO WELL, MY BRAVE ORCS ARE FIGHTING OUT THERE THO

>>181101910
Read your scroll of summoning.
Then you should recall the orcs to you if they're still alive.
You can also smite the executioner and then haste again to run from the draconians.

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>>181102219
I TRIED TO READ IT BUT MY EYES WERE BLURRY SO I DIDNT TRY, I USED MY SUMMON BACK BUT THEN THE PANDO LORD GOT TOO CLOSE AND NOW IM STUCK WITHOUT SMITE, THE EXE IS REALLY FAST

>>181102346
Yea, you cant run from an executioner.
Is the executioner hurting you much? You can quaff a couple of curing potions while your mighted orc fights it.

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>>181102658
Okay, I got a bit of HP back, but that panda lord is just around the corner

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I'm a terrible person ;_;

>>181102741
Quaff agi and might. Kill the executioner. Maybe invis as well because there's a draconian knight in front of you idk.
Hopefully the draconians and your orc will block the panlord so it can't chase you effectively.

>>181102741
You should haste again first. It's run out.

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>>181103197
>>181103065
Im sorry for posting so much but these are extremely vital and SO easily fuckable

>>181103273
The monstrosity only moves at normal speed so you're faster with haste. Just run around it.
Bonus points if you avoid constriction.
When you're past it and a tile away, recall orc.

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>>181103481
I tried to, but it instantly constricted me, so I had to kill it. Now I'm here, and.. Potentially free, I'm unsure where to run to. I need somewhere to funnel monsters and/or HEAL
IF i just had a chance to heal, I would be golden

>>181103645
Draconians can't see invis so you can easily walk up and away from them.
When you get a chance read magic mapping. You can use your wand of digging to make a path through rock walls if you need to (it won't work on stone).

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>>181103801
Alright
okay
i got out of that floor
do i start waiting what must i do to survive

>>181103995
You run and you don't stop running until you get outside

there is no resting anymore

>>181103995
Well done.
Recall orc. ID your digging wand and recharge it.
Yea, I'd rest there. You could ambrosia but you have no curing to break out of it if something comes.
You can dig pathways around the side of the map to get to the next set of stairs which means you avoid the main floor.

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>>181104280
im breathing so hard am i free yet

>>181104565
Go back down the stair and rest there.
If anything spawns, come up.

>>181104565
no they are still chasing u

keep running

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>>181104819
>>181104785
IVE FULLY REGENED

>>181104892
i regret my every decision, he just wracked me with pain for 100 as soon as I saw him

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>>181105013
durr ctrl v