/shmupg/ - Shoot 'em Up General

>>180891384

Most of us are just really really shy.

blue revolver doesn't have any gay hyper mode shit, that makes it 100x better than ccwi

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>>180891384
I was going to do it after my stream since I wouldn't be around to keep it alive during.

>>180892029
game is pixelated badly, that makes it 100x worse than ccwi

>>180892029
poo revolver should never be mentioned in the same sentence as ccwi

>>180893409

But you just did anon.

>>180893780
nope, doesn't count since i called it poo revolver.

>>180892553
What are they playing, Ketsui?

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Bump before bed. Stay afloat, /shmupg/.

>>180896134
Pokemon. Or the multiplayer mini-games from New Super Mario Bros. Whatever it is, Casper is winning.

Does the game code included with the Garegga Rev.2016 premium edition work on a United States PSN account?

>>180899054
you most likely need a jap account

>>180898576
>winning
Casper will never win over Patchouli

>>180898576
>Stay afloat, /shmupg/.
That'd be the day.

Shumps!

Anyone played Battle Crust? How is it?

Is this the final days of /shmupg/?

Always route your shits.

>>180908520
Routing is for autists.

If you can't do well blind then you're a retard.

>>180908886
>can't 2-all on his first credit
oute using retard

>>180908886
but i was talking about shitting? can't you read?

>>180909005

I hope for your sake that was an autocorrect fuckup. Xom finds this hilarious regardless

>>180909391
No mistake, the first post says shits because i'm talking about shitting, no idea what you're on about. Learn to read desu.

>>180909434

Hard to tell who's talking when we're all anon. I count no less than 4 posters in the above 6 posts.

>>180910017
3 are me, always route your shits senpai.

kevin uDDeRs

>>180916043
i want dis background

>>180917962
it's really ugly.
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>>180921653
all touhous are male?

>>180922138
futas

wtf i love touhou now

Recommend me a good pad for pc.

How hard is it to keep general alive you incompetent NEETs.

>>180924595
keyboard is a choice of pros

>>180924597
This thread is shit so nobody posts here or wants to keep it alive.

>>180924597
Whenever I post here I just get insulted anyway.

>>180924595
f310

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>>180899249
Even if that matchup may be debatable, she easily wins over Windia.

>>180899426
Large breasts float, right? I may have an idea.

http://danbo.vg/2017/06/27/br-update-delay.html

>>180932867
he's right about one thing, poo revolver really is shite

>>180933135
It's unpolished as fuck but enjoyable and that's all what really matters.

>>180924976
stop posting stupid shit then you pig faced cunt.

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C-can I hang out here?

>>180932867
>http://danbo.vg/2017/06/27/br-update-delay.html
This self loathing glasgay faggiola is hardly william wallace, I feel i kicked his arse here before and i'll do it again because some things are so obvious. Let's start with refinement? why bother when this genre has established arrange/black label modes? better off building a completely new refined mode rather than endlessly tweaking and forcing players to go back and get scores again and again. 2nd is marketing you and your ilk need some lessons in this desperately but most importantly beta testers.... the mistake you made was assuming the players being good would be enough but actually they're mostly retards who can't understand game design and see right through problems by being to good and adapting to quickly Gaimers being a perfect example. There's actually rarely correlation between skill level and problem finding like in speedrunning for example the majority of strats,glitches,problems etc are not found by the players so try to pick the right people next time ie me ands anyone else who's logically analytical and not self masturbatory ya wae fanny.

>>180934281
I love rez and this is my saloon so yes you can.

>>180934441
it's time to realize rez is a slow boring garbage game that you only like because of graphics and music

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>>180934281
If you want to.

>>180934681
This. Take the rail shooter redpill that is Sin & Punishment 2.

>>180932867
FUCK POO REVOLVER (hi danbo)

-The special weapon is not very balanced. Removing boss patterns, reducing stage big enemies into a single button press on spawn, I tried Cluster Missile and Val Hyper Laser (v1.11) and both destroy things very well. It would be better if there were enough enemies to take the excess firepower, but...

-...there are no enemies in the stages. Zun-style design in places with large gaps between enemy spawns, especially with the buffed Variable shots and special weapon use the enemies die off before the next ones spawn, making routing around them redundant too often. Notable exceptions are specific parts of Stage 4 and Stage 5 - the stage itself is hit and miss, alternating between very slow patterns with enemies spawning scarcely with copypasted formations and more interesting ones in the midsection turret wall.

-I don't really like the boss "spellcard" design. Some of the patterns are just "basic" to be fun when looped in such a way repeatedly - in a CAVE-style design with boss phases firing a series of attacks before looping, some of these could work as a singular 5-10 second attack, but extended into a full-length spellcard they become excessively repetitive, and highlight the pattern's simplicity - part of the CAVE design allure is also the way the attacks sequence into each other seamlessly, merging them into a more intense strategy game of prepping for the next attack towards the end of the previous one. Some attacks are good, but especially midbosses, and specifically the Stage 5 ones seem to suffer from this.

>>180938382 cont.
-Stage 5 is shit. The 3-mid sized enemy patterns are copypasted repeatedly, the white enemy zako waves are copypaste, overall this stage's the worst in the game with few redeeming qualities. The previous stages, mostly Stage 1, 3 and 4 had some personality even with the flaws, but this one is very repetitive in its patterns while outstaying its welcome in duration. The midbosses are too numerous, and not particularly interesting - the lengthy breaks before midbosses spawn make it feel even slower. Stage 4 has much of the same dull design - I found Stage 1 and Stage 2 to be the most intriguing stages in the game, from that point on the enemy patterns become more drawn-out and copypaste/repetitive, Stage 3 already feels like a drag with the very slow-scrolling carrier midboss and several series of nondescript zako drops with nothing else on screen.

-The controls, visuals and sound are great, and the weapons are really fun to use - there's just not very much to use them on, since the enemies are few in number and drop very quickly when using the special weapon. I think the mechanics capture the fun of shooting things pretty well but the stage design and sparse, simplistic enemy patterns with way too much copypaste betray its potential, and the bosses are a mixed bag.

tl;dr it's poo

>>180938382
>Zun-style design
sadly, nearly every western shmup does this

>>180934339
Can you please name some of the right people.

>>180938997
>Zun-style design
What this even means.

>>180939430
It means that the enemies first show up on the screen, then sit there for 1-2 seconds while you shoot at them, then start firing, and do so in small numbers and very sparse waves with extensive breaks between enemy formations spawning.

>>180939793
ah. Right. Thanks.

>>180939793
>UFO stage 5
Zun-style my fucking ass.

>>180939232
>>180939232
people who aren't too good but also aren't too bad. they need just the right amount of suck. cee believes he is fit for this job.

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Why aren't you playing Radiant Silvergun, /vg/?

>amazing boss designs
>ship has diverse weapons
>simple yet complex scoring
>little RNG to fuck you over

>>180934339
>1 month before release
>tell the dev he should scrap the entire of boss design and completely remake every single stage
If anything, he needed to get testers at the very early phases, not different ones and even then, the feedback from casuals is overwhelmingly positive

and casuals love zun design

>>180942786
because it's fucking garbage, even worse than touhou?

>>180943038
>If anything, he needed to get testers at the very early phases.
It's literally impossible. People who can't understand anything about game development (most of the players) won't play the game enough when it's at the early phases and features are still broken.

>>180943058
>touhou
>not bottom of the barrel
shit taste. remove yourself from the gene pool

>>180943524
touhou is bottom of the barrel
radiant silver turd is the ground below the barrel

>>180941994
More than anything ones who actually give feedback and honest criticism and shit on the game, rather than phoning it in and being nice.

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>>180944049

Silly mortal. The spacetime within the barrel is toroidal. You can descend endlessly into it and never reach the bottom. And it all just gets worse the deeper you go or the higher you ascend.

Nothing is sacred. Everything is shittier than everything else. Such is the nature of /shmupg/

>>180941994
>they need just the right amount of suck. cee believes he is fit for this job.
Kind of but not exactly, my point is players are not designers and players of a certain calibre like gaymers will adapt to anything so quickly that i don't think they register flaws or finer points to be tuned at all well, they also lack the creative vision because the focus for them is literally beating it/scoring and going back to wanking. Maybe it's just a case of diversifying input like cave do with location tests that see everyone who turns up get a say rather than just swy and chums. The fact is those testers let some GLARINGLY obvious issues float by probably because they were to busy ego stroking and uploading videos of clears for brownie points rather than analyzing the game with a broad demographic consumer potential in mind.

Bonus opinion, good players rarely design well see clover spack and that piece of shit he made to rape the eye of a gaijin.

Anyone here bought Nex Machina ?

>>180942786
its too methodical for me

>>180946028
Not a shump.

>>180946159
Why wouldn't it be considered as one ?

>>180946006
ccwi better than your favorite game

>>180946427
Because twin-stick shooters are not shumps.

>>180946427

It's a shmup in the broader sense of the word, but the more precise term would be twinstick shooter. Think of it like a cousin.

>>180938382
>>180938501

(hi)

Most of this is a pretty fair assessment. Stage 5 is not the game's finest hour - the midbosses suffer from a lack of reactivity / "dynamicness", and should the player speedkill them, the stage is left with only some fairly basic, bland enemy waves that were only meant to be a quick breather between the midbosses. The boss is also not quite as climactic as I'd like - I'd be fairly happy with the TLB were it not for how quickly it can be killed now.

Long list of small fixes that the other stages want but I don't think they're as fundamentally broken as stage 5.

As far as special weapons and variable shot go, my approach to tuning them was wrong. The raw numbers will have to be dialled back, which is going to be tricky, but I think they can still end up pretty satisfying to use, since that's one of the things the game hopefully gets right.

Once I decide on a feature/todo list for "black label", I would like to get player feedback in an incremental way (say, a private beta test release every fortnight or so). If you're interested in taking part in that, you can email me at [email protected]

I don't have much in the way of time, resources or money, but since we won't be returning to STGs for a while I want to make this the best game it can reasonably be.

No idea what that other guy is talking about though.

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>>180946479

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>>180946885
Oh thank you. I was looking for this smug Leo.

>>180946738
scottish independence danbo ye or naw?

>>180946738
>No idea what that other guy is talking about though.
I'm talking the complexity and challenges of the game testing.

May I ask what was biggest difficulties of the game testing of BR?

>>180946885
its voted as #7 best shmup of all time
poowang didn't even make the list

>>180946997

I like STGs, let's talk about STGs.

>>180947426

I feel like I didn't "prime" our testers correctly, as in: here's what to focus on, here's what's still in flux, here's what's 100% done.

Also, I think it can be hard to get players motivated about testing a game. Especially for some of these changes I'm going to have to do, which are like - "Hi guys, now all the cool Val weapons you like are weaker, let me know what you think okay?"

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>>180947828
>its voted as #7 best shmup of all time
you'll be telling me transformers is kino on the same principle next.

>>180948097
>I feel like I didn't "prime" our testers correctly, as in: here's what to focus on, here's what's still in flux, here's what's 100% done.
also every tester you had has the exact same taste in shmup style. If i'm making a cave clone ultra style game best believe i'm getting at a dadnanamagic or Derrpo to test that shit.

>>180948097
>I like STGs, let's talk about STGs.
didnae be a fanny ya wae baw bag, just curious what your opinion on the union is.

>>180948154
youwould have a point if you could find a list voted on by movie experts that has transformers on it
but you cant
therefore you have no point
because you are a dumb chav

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>>180948950
>movie experts
top kek also you can't read and missed the point yet AGAIN. You really think a silly poll done once a year with the same small group voting for whatever game they just happen to be into that week is really a good indicator of what games the best? You're as dumb as you look.

>>180949249
bottom line, nobody likes poowang and everyone loves ccwi

>>180948676

Bananamatic was a tester, if I recall correctly we unfortunately got him on board when we were in the "fuck it, deadline" bugfixing phase. The best we were able to do from his suggestions was to make the TLB a little less braindead.

A lot of stuff sadly got brought up too late. I mismanaged it. Hopefully we'll do better this time.

>>180949541
translation = everyones to shit for multitask masterpiece guwange whilst ccwi is a cave clone pleb fest.

>>180950352
ccwi much harder game

>>180950253
in the black label i'd like a colour scheme that makes it possible to see what i'm doing, ihave dad eyes.

>>180950498
No it isn't, counter stopping guwange is miles harder it's not even in the same stratosphere. Your b8 game is wank.

>>180950507

Have you tried the Alternate Bullet Colors / Darken Background options?

>>180950638
WR in ccwi miles harder than a game with a hard skill limit

>>180946691
Would you let your cousin in the street ? I don't think grandpa Space Invaders would allow it.
>>180946605
Well there was this old-game shmup (I think it was on the Atari 2600) were you needed two controller, it basically was a twinstick shooter before the term exist. Seriously it's the first time someone tell me twin-stick shooters aren't shmup, so when do they stop being shmup ? Or, what are the conditions to be one ?

>>180948676
>>180950253
It was your first big project and it went fairly well after all. Don't be too harsh on yourself.

Poo Revolver was last good original shmup. And looks like we aren't getting more quality original shmups anytime soon. Thanks for your hard work.

>>180950732
Unironically true. Games without counter stops take more skill to achieve WR in than those that do.

>>180950253
Remember the original crimzon clover?
Game vomits extends like crazy, you spent 30% of the break/double break invincible, scoring wasn't even remotely balanced, simple mode was basically "let's remove all mechanics", some parts also had a ton of dead air (stage 5 beginning, especially on unlimited), cancel locks on unlimited were all or nothing (if you lost the full lock at the last frame, nothing would cancel and you were screwed), tlb 1st phase had way too much hp and the 2nd phase was only one pretty basic attack, the multiplier counter wasn't capped so it could go into thousands on unlimited, basically removing the need for maintaining it entirely, etc.

BR really isn't bad for a first effort, it's still better than a lot of arcade games
Remember that SDOJ scoring is basically all about cancels and then for whatever reason they entirely forgot to put enemies that cancel in stage 4, making the stage absolutely worthless for score no matter how hard you try

>>180952132
wrong, that depends entirely on the standard of the current wr. Both are beyond any of us either way.

>>180952132
>Games without counter stops take more skill to achieve WR in than those that do.
Wrong donpachi proves otherwise, it depends on the difficulty of the counter stop and no one's managed donpachi legit yet by miles and the guwange one has only ever been done by japs to date.

>>180952970
>BR really isn't bad for a first effort, it's still better than a lot of arcade games
this especially the ost which is by far it's high point, complete bangers.

>>180953143
>wrong, that depends entirely on the standard of the current wr. Both are beyond any of us either way.
obviously but the standard for wr in a very popular game like ccwi is high. it's not some poojin that only 2 people play like battle traverse
>>180953143
donpachi counter stop was TAS by a known cheater on mame. you can destroy any WR if you TAS your way throughhumanly impossible situations for maximum scores.

>>180953143
also the point was that counter stop is the skill CEILING
who knows how high the ceiling can get in games without limits?

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>>180950638
>No it isn't

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>>180956935
I saw cake during Harry's recent DS stream. It popped after beating Bugfugger and he was getting eaten. Why cake though.

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>>180957579
Jitterbug drops a 2-lifeup cake if you beat him without bombing. Dying is okay just don't bomb at all during the fight.

>>180939430
>What this even means.
literally no stage design at all, halfassed in every way. effectively no stages + boss battles.

>>180948097
>I like STGs, let's talk about STGs.
/pol/ shitposters B T F O'd

>>180942786
Because I don't have a Sega Saturn or a 360.

>>180948097
I've never played your game, it doesn't look like one I'd like but good job updating it and keeping your word even if it took for a while. You put more effort into it than CAVE/Degica does anyway.

>>180946028
not a shmup but is it good?

>>180960682
Download SSF or Mednafen then, you dumbfuck.

>>180960682
why don't you like shmups anon?

>>180961243
I love it, I'm usually a big piece of shit when I have to use two-stick, but the control in this game are, in my opinion, perfect. They managed to make the screen full of enemies and bullet, yet you understand what's happening and what to do, even in the 2sd hardest difficulty (I didn't unlock the hardest one yet).

>>180891384
This genre is dead

>>180964992
>pawarumi
>raiden 5

>>180964992
Yep. They were killed by the superior vs. fighter genre.

>There was also another impetus for Gokujou Parodius. It had been awhile since I had worked on arcade games, so when I went down to the game center I felt like I was seeing it through the eyes of just another player, not a game developer. But I noticed there was nothing but vs. fighting games. I personally loved STGs like Gradius, but you could barely find even a single hori STG. Well, I thought, if no one else is making these, I’ll just have to do it myself! I wanted to make a hori STG precisely because we’re at this juncture.

>>180953840
>donpachi counter stop was TAS by a known cheater on mame. you can destroy any WR if you TAS your way throughhumanly impossible situations for maximum scores.
Why can no one here actually read? I know THAT cs is a fucking tas which is why i was talking about it being done non tas and being arguably the hardest achievement out there as no one's got close, jesus fucking christ learn some basic fucking reading comprehension.


>>180953953
Yes we get the point but it's more complicated than that and almost game specific, to answer your question though TASers know. Effort into the wr has to be accounted for as do other variables, you're just looking at it in a very simplistic black and white fashion that i'd expect from a lower I.Q.

just to throw it in if guwange didnt have the stop the wr would be 103, point being that the stop is right on the edge of potential unlike futari ultra which is over a billion short of theoretical max. batsuguns the easiest i imagine and don pachi the hardest.

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Bahmpu~

Shumps

Your favorite shmup is __________

>>180971980
Ikaruga, because it's flawless.

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Bahmpu~

>>180971980
Gaia Seed and the music is pretty fantastic.

>>180971980
No idea desu I love the mechanics of Espgaluda more than anything else but the game itself isn't great. Nothing clicked with me completely yet, it's always a mixed bag.

>>180971980

Firing buckshot straight up into the air and trying to dodge. I can't get hard unless there are stakes.

>>180975187
Try the Espagaluda mode of rRootage?

>>180971980

Gradius V

>>180978948
>choosing worst numbered Gradius
ew

>>180981482
What about 2

>>180976847
It has an Espgaluda mode? How do I play it? It's not in the menu..

>>180984050
Wait fuck me it's a Psyvariar mode.

My bad, I haven't played rRootage in like a decade.

>>180982141
3 > 4 > 2 > 1 > 5

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>>180986086

>hipsterism:the post

i prefer to base my judgments on gameplay my dude

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>>180971980
G.Darius because it combines stellar presentation with interesting, varied gameplay mechanics and smart, but not overly complex scoring mechanics, plus an interesting story!

>>180971980
Ikaruga. Because I'm not a hipster.

So I've got a little bonus this month and want to splurge on a second stick for reasons. doubleplays Thing is I can't decide on whether I should get a traditionally laid out controller or if I should get a southpaw. Any suggestions?

>>180965274
>which is why i was talking about it being done non tas and being arguably the hardest achievement out there as no one's got close
there's a dodonpachi daioujou TAS of 2.6 billion. no one's gotten close to that either and it's a harder game. and what if a newer TAS could go ever higher? tough luck for you chav, counterstops are for chumps.

> Effort into the wr has to be accounted for as do other variables
effort does not matter at all. a shit player can put in 10 years of effort and not match the score SWY could get in 10 weeks.

>>180972737
here's a flaw in ikaruga
it's the most boring piece of shit sorry excuse for a """"shooting"""""" game to ever exist

So who here remembers Planet Harriers?

Give me the short and quick of it. If I have never played any of the Castle Shikigami games before is it worth picking up the one on Steam?

>>180995370

No. Start with any version of CS2 or 3 you can find instead.

>>180995370
do not support degica they are trying to kill shmups for good

>>180997804
>Watch out for Degica!
>The public enemy of shmups #1
>They were the main responsible for...

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>>180997804
This can't be true. After all, they published DBCS, so if anything they are the saviours of shmups, alongside the game and the devs themselves of course!

>>180995370
Why ask if you should pick it up on steam when you can download the fucking game right now and see if you would enjoy it?

http://theisozone.com/downloads/pc/windows-games/shikigami-no-shiro-pc-collection/

If they bring Castle Shikigami 2 to Steam as well, then I hope it'll have the writing and voice acting that the PS2 version had. That was great.

It'll probably just be a translated Japanese version though...

>>180997804
the only group trying to keep shmups alive is the one trying to kill them? t. farmer

>>181000946
Thanks. Wasn't even aware this was a thing.

If I like it though I will support it just so we can keep getting more re-releases.

>>180990390
You can't read or comprehend anything accurately so i'm not replying.

>>180995370
meh i dunno, 2 and 3 are miles better imo.

>>181003127
>the only group trying to keep shmups alive
by chronologically releasing and shit ports?

>>181006445
I'm really wondering: I'm pretty sure the arguably lackluster ports aren't to be blamed on Degica, but are actually CAVE's work. But it seems everyone in these threads is dancing around that. Does Degica even do anything outside of localisation and publishing? I doubt they have the manpower for anything more than that.

They still helped release these ports, so I mean certainly it is their responsibility to make sure the product is of good quality. But the ports are still done by CAVE, so really it all comes down to their incompetence. It's not like these are the only bad ports they've done either.

>>181006445
>by chronologically releasing and shit ports?
"shit" is melodramatic. mediocre is better. as the other anon said, they aren't doing the ports. part of degica's publishing deal seems to be to act as a middleman for japanese devs that have poor/no communication skills to deal with the outside world.

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My first Psikyo 1-All. Time to practice the 2nd loop now And later levels in the first loop since I was basically just bombing my way through and no idea what I was doin

When in doubt, bomby out!

>>181007267
It lays with them because they are the middle man, it's fully within their power to deny selling on quality grounds but they never do, just shippin it out errytime for quick buck.

>>181007645
>part of degica's publishing deal seems to be to act as a middleman for japanese devs that have poor/no communication skills to deal with the outside world.
Exactly so they hold the key to sales and should take a stronger approach to quality control like any shop and distributor does irl.

>>181008287
great i look forward to your endless whinging, just walk away desu you found the 1st loop hard so the loop will be way beyond your built to fail will.

>>181008287
Congrats kraut, did you ever get that Raiden 2-ALL?

>>181008665
>just walk away desu you found the 1st loop hard
I would not say that it is hard, but it can be frustrating to learn, since it's a Psikyo game. Not being able to react is more frustrating than still always having a bit time to improvise.

>>181008670
You mean Raiden IV? I only got the 2-all in this on normal, but I will probably still come back at it later sometime.
Raiden 2 I was not really able to play because of auto-fire.

>>181008845
>Not being able to react
Because you aren't suppose to fucking pleb idiot, get it into your thick meat head that not all shmups play the same. Anyway the loop will destroy you whiny bitch.

>>181009010
I wasn't even saying anything against this kind of style, I was just saying that it's more frustrating than usual, but whatever...
I like Psikyo. They make nice games.

>>181009126
fuck up wanker, go put your head in a blender.

>>181008665

And at the end of the day, Degica is still a business with little competition in this particular niche and all the considerations being a business entails. Without competition the only impetus to improve quality is what can still drive sales. Passion doesn't pay bills.

>>181009361
>Passion doesn't pay bills.
Nor does earning a reputation of selling below par products especially in this industry, people will become very wary and they will suffer. You don't need competition to understand the importance of reputation and quality control.

>>181008287
but psikyo is shit

>>181008607
based windia

>>181009702
Their quality isn't that bad. The only people flipping their shit are dad's with pcbs and soon to be dads with 360s. I guarantee you the most people buying these ports don't give a fuck about missing slowdown or anything else because they'll be credit feeding through anyway. The niche shmup cult may be the hardcore fans but they don't make up the majority of the sales.

>>181008665
I think for Degica it's less about making a quick buck and more about getting anything out at all for the people that want it. The ports may not be perfectly arcade accurate but no single port of theirs has been, even on Xbox360. Of course, it's particularly bad on PC, but the best you can do is hope that it's at least possible to beat in cases like zero-slowdown Deathsmiles MBL and not too easy when they give you too much of it, like in normal Deathsmiles.

Either way CAVE doesn't seem to give a fuck, but they're not known to care about quality anyway if most of their post-90's and especially recent offerings are any indication. I doubt they'd lose any sleep over a lost deal with Degica. Whenever someone brought their games to outside of Japan, it was just a labour of love and never an attempt to score a huge success.

>>181010623
>CAVE doesn't seem to give a fuck
they don't at all. IKD got mad because a programmer ported mushi matsuri while no one was paying attention because it was supposed to be an exclusive small release. didn't stop them from releasing it for that dollar dollar bill.

As someone who's job it is porting legacy code to newer hardware platforms and configurations with timing sensitive hardware interactions I can tell you all that hardware emulation is actually quite hard and expensive, especially when you're dealing with poorly documented specifications for the old hardware.

>>181011102
Yeah, of course hardware emulation is complex and resource-intensive, but that's not what CAVE does anyway. In the best-case scenario they'd have implemented a system that makes slowdown occur depending on a timer or counter or perhaps an enemy or bullet limit or something.
But instead they always relied on arcade hardware limitations to create slowdown. So in the ports since then they had to artificially recreate that slowdown, probably hardcoded that shit because there's no logic to it.

I mean fair enough, it got the job done on the arcade hardware, but it's not smart design.

>>181011102
>I can tell you all that hardware emulation is actually quite hard and expensive
>>181011869
>Yeah, of course hardware emulation is complex and resource-intensive


Exaggerated by cave using shite hardware like sh-3 and even shitter methods as you rightly say to achieve results ie "lol lets just crap out the sprite limit every 2 seconds for muh matrix effect".

>>181011869
>I mean fair enough, it got the job done on the arcade hardware, but it's not smart design.
They probably had no plan or intention to ever port the games to any other system while they were creating them and it didn't occur to them that it might be a problem one day. I'd call it a lack of foresight more than anything else. At least they had it together enough to keep some of the code, there are games that are completely lost forever.

>>181012716
>I'd call it a lack of foresight more than anything else.
Completely unacceptable for a company with a history of ports to consoles at a time of internet international markets flourishing with half the costs of the old methods. Cave are dumb fucking children desu and ppl should stop making excuses for them.

>>181012716
CAVE games were ported to consoles since their early days, they'd be retarded not to consider the possibility.

>>181012716
>I'd call it a lack of foresight more than anything else.
Sure, I mean, that's basically what I said and what non-smart design amounts to, among other things.
CAVE isn't alone on that of course, most devs don't design their games in a way that would make them easy to scale, port or maintain them later on and it's a shame.

>>181008287
Why not practice Strikers 1999 instead? thought you liked less dad games

>>181013029
>they'd be retarded
No argument there.

>>181013642
I already practiced 99 too, but I wanna start with something a bit easier Psikyo.

>>181014578
top kek get ready to be sad, strikers 45 is one of psikyos hardest loops, harder than 99.

>>181012915
>with a history of ports to consoles
That is the entire problem, they were only porting to consoles. They can recreate the slowdown on consoles without issue because the hardware is standardized. It doesn't work so well when you're porting it to PC.

>>181014821
aye fair, they should gone with nesica instead of retard sh3 or maybe try for once designing a game around the aspect of no slowdown and do it with software.

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>tfw get poojin kusoge 1cc everyday

Anything worth picking up in the Steam Sale, shmuppers?

>>181021585
already been answered a million times, look in the last thread linked at the top.

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>>181019416
>spoiler 1cc every day

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>>181026386

>>180971980
batsugun desu but I'm pretty bad

>>181014821
PC is a garbage platform for video games

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>>181030571
>paying for online
>superior anything

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>>181031107
>playing online video games

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>>181031750
>paying for video games

who is the michael jordan of shmups?

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Bahmpu~

>>181032454
johnson

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>strikers 1945 was 72 years ago

>psikyo has never made a good game

Bombaa!

>>181039413
Dragon Blaze > you're favourite game

>>181042812
dragon blaze is their least bad game but it's still bad

>>181043030
Better than whatever caveshit you play gayboy

>>181043030
>dragon blaze
more like "we want cave audience"

>>181043946
more like the "we want to make a good game because we're dying since nobody is playing the rest of the trash we put out" audience

>>181044412
Strikers games sold better than caveshit you fuccboi

>>181044716
must be why cave went on to make tons of games while psikyo made irrelevant shit until their inevitable death huh

>>181044936
Psikyo knew when to stop unlike the mobage crap company you are talking about.

>>181045375
more like they were forced to stop because nobody wanted their shit games LMAO

last page, last thread

>>181031750
t. third-worlder whose internet is too shit for online games so he has to score in shitty formulaic 2D games

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>>181052150
>playing casual pleb games online instead of scoring patrician arcade shmups

>>181053190
>implying shmups not casual

>>181053067
It's really not that bad as far as mobile ports go

Where can I read or watch how to spawn the bosses in Strikers 45 stage 7? I'm still not really getting this...

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So are the Blue Revolver devs cuckolds or not? I need to know before I blow seven fiddy on the game.

>>181055681
Ask danbo he's lurking

>>181054360
NVM I already got this now

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Bump!

>>181059890
>Bump!
How hard, Casper?

>>181056147
Danbo's a scot, right? Weren't they pissed about Brexit? That probably means he's a cuck then.

>>181060775
He's fae glasgay aye, didnae answer when i asked about independance but scots do tend to be socialist cucks not like BASED N.I.

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>>181060175
Bumping pretty dang hard, or else the thread would die again.

Bump!

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Bomb!

>>181066793
why did cave add annoying girls to doodoopoopy?

Contra Rebirth's final level is a pain. Third and last levels are the hardest things in the series.

>>181071337
>Contra Rebirth
>not Contra 3

>>181072048
No man, let's be real here, it's Rebirth.

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Bahmpu~

>>181075971

Just waking up?

>>181064907
I can bump you all night long Casper ;)

>>181072048
Contra 3 blows.

Play the American version of Hard Corps like a real man, and don't use the robot or the furfag.

>>181076947
Or Contra™ : ReBirth on hard mode if you're not into stop and shoot games like Hard Corps.

>>181014578
They are similarly dificult clears imo, although you can get more consistent at 1999 because it's very static

>>181077890
Or Shattered Soldier, if you want the magnum opus of Contra games.

>>181081137
I still want to see Harry stream Super Cyborg.

>>181081137
To me it has the same issue as Hard Corps. Too many slow paced, memo heavy boss fights, not enough running and gunning.

>>181055681

Who cares about the developers, it's a shit game desu

>>181000946
Does anyone happen to know why the first CS game from this runs super fast? Using Win10 and it is just a blur of motion and sound with no ability or even chance to control.

>>181084469

Says in the description these were only tested on XP. No guarantees it'd work on 10 or even 7/8. I guess you could try running it in compatibility mode and see what happens.

>>181084620
Unfortunately running it in cmode as 98/Vista/XP(sp2&3)/7 all yielded the same result. The game starts full screen and immediately everything is moving super fast. So fast the game is locked in demonstration mode, which ends in a few seconds and then immediately starts again. Hitting any button will take you to options sometimes but it 'times out' in less than a second and returns to demonstration mode. Getting into character select immediately grabs first character it can find, starts stage and it all ends in seconds while the sound is garbled and sped up. CS2 seems to work (but not with controller) and CS3 gives an error.
Thank you for the help though! I just really wanted to check it out to see if it was worth grabbing on Steam so its not a total loss I suppose.

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>>181076546
No you can't.

>>181082378
It will probably happen... eventually. I won't play it until then.

>>181004897
steam version is worse, don't buy it. the only positive is higher res.

>>181092275
>play with keyboard

>>181008287
gj, how long did it took? just interested how i compare to you.

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Bahmpu~

>>181098521
>kirbyatepatchouli.jpg

>>181069328
they wanted poohoo audience

>>181098772
no, they simply realized the dad audience that loves phallic spaceships wasn't going to pay the bills and they'd need to appeal to younger, smarter, more sophisticated players by adding cute girls to the games

>>181099639
that's what i said

>>181100317
that's not poohou audience, that's everyone under dad age

>>181099639
fuck you, phallic spaceships forever

>>180911438
>Battle Garegga

You mean an overrated game with ninja bullets and bullshit rank as a cheap substitute for proper difficulty/creativity?

>falling for the dadregga meme
not even once

>>181100418
15?

Garegga is the most insanely complex and endlessly deep shmup in existence. If you don't play it, it's most likely because you're too stupid to handle it. Stick to the easier and simpler games over by the kiddie pool... such as anything else.

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Time for bed. See you tomorrow, /shmupg/!

>>181104167
Goodnight Harry

What does /shmupg/ think of RAIDEN 4/5? I was giving them a play, and well, I don't think I like them that much, especially in comparison to the older games. Bad opinion? Am I missing something about them?

>>181098772
CAVE adding fanservice to their more recent games is obviously completely unrelated to Touhou.

...It's more about the fact that by ~2000, their games have already become stagnant, with barely any new/interesting patterns and stages and instead rank+hypersonic bullets making the game hard indeed, yet boring for everyone except the most "hardcore" of achievers.

And since they've already run out of creativity, they resort to cheap tricks like fanservice or *SIGH* crappy mobile ports in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. And I feel like after Degica runs out of CAVE games to port to different platforms, the latter is going to sink for good. The arcade era is over.

>>181106369

i prefer raiden 4 to the older ones.

haven't played 5, but am gonna buy it day 1 when it gets released.

Adolescence is idolizing Cave. Adulthood is realizing Raizing made so much more sense.

>>181106787
Why? It feels slow, there's far less option with upgrades, less ship types, the 3D isn't that charming (completely indiv pref, I know), and there's not much variety (so far). The scoring system is kinda interesting, but it's not so earth shattering to overcome the other faults. Does it get way better later on?

The giant digitized girls in DFK not only look ugly, but the concept is ridiculous too. It would fit in a non-serious shmup, but in DDP it's just dumb.

>>181106369
i love overkill mode in r4. wolflame is what r3 and 4 should've been, same formula, but without cheap deaths, faster paced and recovery is actually possible.

Also, your opinion on RefRain: Prism Memories? So far, it feels like this weird hybrid of the "old-school" and the "new-school" bullet hell formulas...

Other 1945 learner here. Stage 4 Air Fortless can suck the grimy hairs of my taint. Fuck.

>>181108058
>non-serious shmup
>DDP
lol more DDP games have anime girls than don't

>>181106763
>The arcade era is over.
Some people are trying to keep it alive but shmups at least are mostly dead. Neo /v/ tier babbys don't even know what an arcade game is which is why you see the common complaints that arcade games are short and easy.

>>181102712
>Garegga is the most insanely complex and endlessly deep shmup in existence.
nah.

>>181085398
your fault for running fucking bindows 10, why anyone bothered with that shite is beyond me.

>>181111331
>why anyone bothered with that shite is beyond me.
because it's sold on nearly every computer today and not everyone is mr. fucking tech support

>>181111331
Looking into my issue I think it might just be that the computer is too fast. There is software that can throttle the cpu and emulate the original environment the game was meant to run in so I might try that. I noticed when I minimized the game to the taskbar the music was no longer speed playing and was going at a normal pace but when restoring the window everything sped up again.

>>181110526
DDP is a military shooter, what's that got to do with kawaii uguu anime girls?

>>181111790
>implying you need an IT degree to install gentoo
why are kids so incompetent these days? too much vidya and not enough learning?

>>181112093
DDP is literally the only game in the DoDonPachi game that doesn't have anime girls unless you count DonPachi which doesn't count.

>>181112179
>too much vidya and not enough learning?
A comically retarded assumption. You can spend your entire life learning complex skills unrelated to computers and not know shit about Linux or care to learn about it either.

>>181111790
Do you have any idea how easy installing windows operating systems is? I guess not.

>>181112006
Did you say shiki 3 didn't work? that's usually because of language pack, you need windows jap language pack for it to work.

>>181112179
>why are kids so incompetent these days?
This, I fucking despise the new generation as they grew up with the greatest library ever devised at their fingertips (internet) and yet are the dumbest fucking shits of all time, they learn nothing ever and need to be spoonfed every step of the way, it's fucking dire. This generation is why i pray for mass war, i want to see them desperately die in the streets taking selfies and crying for gubment to save them whilst raiding mccy dees before the bombs hit.

>>181112596
>DonPachi which doesn't count.
Why not? it's the same fucking series.

who /CAVE 68000/ masterrace here? SH-3 is ass.

>>181112808
>usually because of language pack, you need windows jap language pack for it to work.
Thanks! I will look into that when I attempt the cpu throttle later. I was able to play the second no problem and I really liked using the girl(?) with the cat.

>>181113268
For easy clear in 2 go with the dude with the like 2 fork prongs that stick out and flap like wings as you move, he decimates bosses.

>>181110681
>shmups at least are mostly dead.

Yeah. Especially since the thing that the very words "bullet hell" and "danmaku" nowadays seem to be associated with at least here in the West is a certain game series about flying shrine maidens. Literally, if you ask anybody who is not into hipsterware what bullet hell is, in 95% of all cases the answer will be either "Don't know/care" or "Touhou".

Though I believe that the death of the old "arcade danmaku" paradigm/formula and the switch to the new is only natural. While many people blame it for the generally poor quality of all the "imma-make-my-own-Touhou-with-spellcards-and-grazing-lets-also-add-roguelike-elements" and "int angle = rand()%365 I CAN INTO DANMAKU LOL" shmups appearing on Steam as of recently, it should be obvious that the cause of it is poor implementation, not the formula itself(with the actual Touhou games being very fun and not at all boring to play in my experience)

>>181113081
yagawa sh3 > 68k > pgm > non-yagawa sh3

>>181113398
Touhou may be a factor. Part of it is a simple misunderstanding of arcade games due to their death. Tons of kids don't even know what a 1cc is or even have any concept of scoring. They pick up a shmup credit feed through and say hey what the fuck this 10 dollar game is 30 minutes long and easy as fuck.

>>181114294
I can accept this but only because ibara is programmed well, muchi pork is an ugly slowdown shitfest like every other sh-3.

>>181114294
worst taste i've seen this side of trap
congrats

>>181114642
Go on then what should it be?

>>181114571
>Tons of kids don't even know what a 1cc is or even have any concept of scoring. They pick up a shmup credit feed through and say hey what the fuck this 10 dollar game is 30 minutes long and easy as fuck.
it's not just kids, even dads do this, not ones on farm or some arcade forum of course, but dad reviewers on youtube for example, i've talked with one recently, he played since 80s yet he never heard about "1cc rule" and considers games that let you credit feed to be too easy.

>>181115389
>dad reviewers on youtube

Can you please provide some of the examples? Because I'm curious...

>>181115484
this a dad in question, i've talked to him in comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77MsWo0sXj4

i want to make my own shmup

>>181117707
>playing stgs since the 80s!
I commented a few times just now because that is just astonishing to me.

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>>181117707
>Castle Shikigami is insanely easy
>All six characters have a move that wipes the bullets off the screen that can be used multiple times between deaths
>There are unlimited continues where you respawn right where you died
>Even on the highest difficulty you'll be able to push your way right through to the end no matter how many times you die

>1cc """"rule""""
where did this meme come from

>>181120395
It's not a rule per se but it's intention by the devs was made clear when they started adding 1's to scores and not qualifying continued scores from the board.

>wasting time on scoring and 1cc when you can use unlimited lives to beat all shmups ever in no time at all

>>181121856
this
1cc and score for autistic nerds

>>180971980
i don't know

>>181121856
I did this today, it's fun actually. No restriction, I'm free!!

>not eating money when you continue

>>181096148
I don't know how many hours it took. Around 2 days of practice.
It had a lot to do with luck though. I still can't consistently beat the first loop, since some patterns are just bullshit in this game, and require super precise execution, if you don't want to use too many bombs.

>inb4 chav chimping out again

>>181128970
>around 2 days
tfw not talented
t.37 hours and can only no-miss to last stage.

>>181129072
I played the also earlier a bit some time ago, and I also played a fair bit of Strikers 99 already. Plus I also just came from playing Raiden, which has a similar style (but with less bullshit patterns).

Also, perhaps I just have a more hours in shmups than you. Your skills really do transfer over games.

>>181129072
>can only no-miss to last stage
Also, that'd be better than what I can do. I mostly die already in stage 4. And if not there then stage 6 or 7.

>>181129223
i just bombed like there is no tommorow since i only aim for 1-all. probably would've cleared it already, but got too tired of the game becouse played 3 hours a day. you are going for 2-all? i hear suicide bullets are very random.

>>181131674
Yes, I want to 2-all this. Most people just don't shoot the popcorn enemies in the second loop, especially during boss fights. I think when you manage to do this, then the second loop is not that much different from the first one.

>>181132047
>I think when you manage to do this, then the second loop is not that much different from the first one.
The first 4 stages are a lot harder than in the first loop, the later stages aren't much tougher than the first loop except for the revenge bullets ofc

>>181133054
>The first 4 stages are a lot harder than in the first loop
May be, but that's also what you saved your bombs for then.
I think when you manage to do the first loop without bombing much, then the second loop is not that much harder anymore.

>>181133895
And the best way to have a good loop 1 is to practice loop 2 anyway, you will not get anywhere practicing loop 1 alone.
The game isn't that bad with Bf-109 honestly but with most other ships it's a nightmare

>>181134804
You have to practice both loops. I already find loop 1 pretty hard though, at least if you are not bombing much and try to medal decently.

>>181135996
Don't bother with loop 1 and just start practicing loop 2 asap, after enough loop 2 practice loop 1 will get pretty easy and the few differences are easy to learn.

>>181136250
When I constantly use bombs in loop 2 then the routes are completely different.
I actually already learned loop 1, but there are just some patterns which are complete bullshit, and depends on luck, imo.
I mostly die when not in stage 4 then in stage 6, because in stage 6 there is a pattern which is just complete complete bullshit.
And when I die there then I just restart because I lost 6 bombs or so.

>>181136951
>When I constantly use bombs in loop 2 then the routes are completely different.
That's the problem, you should aim for bombless routes and only use bombs if you fuck up your route, russia boss is the only one that is a bombfest and tank boss needs some bombs if you have bad luck, but the rest is perfectly able to nmnb.
and where you die in stage 6

>>181117707
This is also why I believe that especially nowadays, it is better for a bullet hell game not to have continues at all, but instead, (optionally) have checkpoints at certain stages(though balancing them is another story in itself) and practice mode available for every stage you've encountered.

I also like Epic Battle Fantasy: Bullet Heaven's stage-based approach to this, especially considering it is one of the few Touhoulikes these days to actually have some effort put into stage design and not just boss design.

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>>181137942
>you should aim for bombless routes and only use bombs if you fuck up your route
Bullshit. The game is way too difficult and has too many bullshit patterns to not use bombs. And the bullets are so fast that you can't use bombs as a panic button. If I try to use them like this, then it's always 0.1 seconds too late.

>and where you die in stage 6
I always die at pic related. It's one of the bullshit patterns. It's possible to do it without bombing, but I always have bad luck there in a run.

They say history and culture repeat themselves in cycles. So maybe we can expect videogames to become good again in the future and by extension shmups and arcade culture in general to make a comeback; a videogame renaissance if you will?

>>181138761
it's not hard for me, just use your special right after you defeat previous phase and pointblank for as long as you can, then tap to the side and he's dead. i fail next part more often, you know the very tip of the rocket that shoots pattern which traps you while zakos are coming from sides.

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>>181138810
Well Crash Bandicoot is back, Bubsy is getting a sequel, Metroid is getting two new games, and Sonic Mania actually looks good, so I guess anything is possible if you wait long enough.

>>181138761
The bombs should be used mostly for the random zako in the bosses, most of the stages are actually really static and as long as you have a good route they don't require many bombs. Really I think you'll progress much faster if you just focus on loop 2 instead of practicing loop 1+2 individually, but if time is not a problem then be my guest

Oh and for that pattern just use plasmo's strat, stage 6 is static af in both loop 1 and 2

>>181138326
they'll just grind through checkpoints, never bothering to 1cc. few games that have no continues are considered the hardest shit ever even when it's easy 1cc. i'd like to see a shmup without continues and checkpoints at all, it's the only way to teach these people to play properly.

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>>181139257
I always do it like pic related. Where light blue is the charge shot option, blue is the ship, and red is the bullet which mostly kills me.
I try to point-blank them, but they don't die soon enough and still shoot me in the last moment.

The next part is easy. There I just point the charge shot at the rocket, then go right and shoot the zako coming there, and then go left while the bullets from the rocket just fly by my sides.

I would have replied earlier, but 4chan doesn't even let me upload inked pics done in windows 10.

>>181139824
Practicing loop 2 when you don't even have loop 1 down seems nonsical to me. Maybe that I could clear it faster this way, but I don't really care how fast I clear the game, I rather care about being consistent at the game.

>>181140713
you should put charge on the ship for max damage, not on zakos, it will kill it while you are dodging, then you can finish zakos.
>I try to point-blank them, but they don't die soon enough and still shoot me in the last moment.
let options finish them after you destroy ship, above all you want to kill ship which spawns them.

>>181141157
>you should put charge on the ship for max damage, not on zakos
I point the charge shot at ship... It's obvious in the drawing I think.

>let options finish them after you destroy ship
The option doesn't even hit all of them. I have to kill the 2 on the right side as soon ass possible, otherwise they kill me. But they somehow often not die soon enough, even though I point blank them and shoot them as soon as they appear.
And when they don't kill me, then the ones on the left side kill me, while I dodge upwards.

>>181139436
all of these games are shit though

>>181141485
i just do it more or less like this
https://youtu.be/6AYdI7I7644?t=7m46s

http://www.4gamer.net/games/999/G999905/20170629097/

>ps4 getting EVEN MORE SHMUPS
sony always wins, baby

>>181141074
Don't you have a 1-all? that's good enough

>I rather care about being consistent at the game.
You'll be both faster and more consistent, if you are consistent at loop 2 you will be very consistent at the easier loop 1

>>181141851
I learned this diiferently. I basically try to point-blank the things on the right and kill them fast.
Maybe that's not the safest strat, but it mostly worked for me just not during a run somehow..

>>181142213
some obscure dad shit. ps4 will never match mame library.

>>181142213
HAHAHAHA where are your switch shmups nintenyearolds?

>>181142510
>Don't you have a 1-all? that's good enough
The 1-all was pure luck. I also just bombed my way through at later stages.

>if you are consistent at loop 2 you will be very consistent at the easier loop 1
I doubt this. I think my routes will be very different for loop 2. Just alone the first stage I played form loop 2 once was completely different than in the first loop.

>>181142596
too bad nothing you accomplish in mame will ever have any value :)

>>181139436
>Crash Bandicoot is back
Yeah, looks good enough, but it's just remakes sadly...

>Bubsy is getting a sequel
Ayy lmao

>Metroid is getting two new games
Yeah and both are surely going to be great!

>>181139436
>Sonic Mania actually looks good
It really does look fantastic. Hopefully Sonic Forces will be good too; it looks good so far anyway. Surely they can't throw away all the potential of Generations again...

>>181138810
>arcade culture in general to make a comeback

Depends on what exactly you mean by "arcade culture". Because if you mean arcades themselves with machines you feed quarters to in order to play, as well as similar game design choices, then... that's obviously not going to happen. Some game design choices making a return? Maybe, but then again, many of them turn into gameplay FLAWS when ported to a PC or a home console(I'm looking at YOU, Garegga).

>>181140443
Depends on how much "pure" difficulty the game holds and how frequent/scarce the checkpoints are. And even with checkpoints on borderline every step, you can still make a game very challenging(see: LoLK aka the I Wanna Be the Guy of shmups)

>>181146392
>Depends on how much "pure" difficulty the game holds and how frequent/scarce the checkpoints are
that's not my point, i'd like people to 1cc, not grind through checkpoints, no matter how hard it may be. forcing them to 1cc is the only way.

>>181143968
too bad you will accomplish nothing of value :)

>>181147393
It may be the only way for you, but not for other people. Not to mention grinding for a 1cc is often times just like grinding for completion with checkpoints, just more tedious(since you have to redo the earlier stages every time, and it gets old FAST).

I personally would just reserve an optional "hardcore" mode for people like you, like, once again, LoLK(somewhat) did(you get a bad ending in Legacy if you don't beat it without dying)

>>181147849
naturally since i too play on mame :)

satazius has very low % of completed achievements

>>181146392
Well, I don't know. If VR shit becomes a real thing some day and doesn't just stay a shit meme, then VR arcades could very well become a real thing! Wouldn't be the same thing of course, but it's something at least...

But I would hope that arcades with shmups and racing games and such would make a comeback too. ;_;

Also, what's wrong with Battle Garegga on home systems?

>>181149654
Are the collide into an asteroid and unlock all weapons achievements still broken?

>>181121856
This is why all shmups should have checkpoints to fuck with credit-feeding degenerates like you.

>>181151339
Another proof that Touhou: LoLK is the best shmup ever made.

>>181151339
lmao i've used a combination of unlimited lives and save states to successfully beat almost every arcade shmup ever created. hardcore genre my ass.

>>181152947
>emulation
lol, poorfag

>>181117707
https://twitter.com/DefunctGames/status/876201724100231168

LOL!

>>181153446
shikigame is not 2d shmup

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