/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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>no bogdanoff roguelike
why is this allowed

Life is but a void wating to be filled with roguelikes.

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How fucked am i?

by the way this was my thread i made it

>>180569112
>you (lit)
ayyy lllmmmaaaaooooooooooooooooooo

>>180569287
>have polymorph
>don't use it on Sonja

anon...........

>>180569287
>Beware, you cannot shaft yourself on this level
No I'm pretty sure you gave yourself the shaft senpai

>>180569287
>Sonja'd

HOW?

Negro, just zap her with a wand.

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I cant find a way out and now this guy popped out of nowhere. He is extremely dangerous with 153 health according to his description and i cant outrun him.

>>180569545
>>180569729
I wasnt aware of Sonja being able to do anything other than pelt my shield with her gatling blowgun.

>>180570271
She had a distortion branded dagger
And pop a wand of clouds or tp and blink

>tfw Transcendence isn't considered roguelike enough to discuss here even though it fullfills basically all the criteria except being turn-based and has no roguelite features like unlocks

I'm a DCSS babby but I can't stand it anymore so I'm going to try Brogue. Do I have to know anything or should I just have fun playing blindly?

>>180571847
>not turn-based
>not grid-based
>has modes

not a goddamn roguelike

>>180571847
>tfw sex with apes is considered bestiality even though they fulfill basically all the criteria of being a human

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I got him (barely) and an exit popped up, lets hope nobody is on the other side ready to greet me...

>>180570891
I dont think wand of clouds would have been that useful with the resistances he had and antboys cant teleport.

>>180572485
>I got him (barely) and an exit popped up

Yeah, that's a cool thing about nu-Abyss. Basically, exits (and staircases doing deeper into the Abyss) will eventually pop up based on XP earned. For a low level character, you can kill a couple of Abyss enemies and generate an exit.

>>180572485
O i didnt see youre Fo, oops
And wand of clouds is broken, most of the shit in there doesnt check resistances

>>180571971
nvm the window is too big for my shitty screen and the bottom is cut off, i guess it's back to dcss for me

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owo wats dis?

rolling for >>180291040

Found a Manual for a shitty skill. Would training it and then using Transfer Knowledge with Ash give me lots of free skill points into the skill of my choice?

>>180572293
>they fulfill basically all the criteria of being a human
They don't though. None of those meme "muh human-level intellicence" animals have the higher ability to imagine things and think bigger.

>>180573693
An ape would be a better conversationalist than you (and sexual partner (and that's accounting for the fact that apes have tiny penises (you fucking babydick))).

Any advice on raiding a national guard camp in cataclysm dda? Everything there seems to outrange me and the w1b110s are basically super tough mobile turrets that have night vision. Anything there actually worth all the trouble?

So I'm making a roguelike game and I need your input, what do you guys think a roguelike game needs?
Don't worry, it'll have elves for slaying.

>>180576031
emergent complexity

>>180571847
>all the criteria except being turn based
my qt trap waifu is such a cute girl, she checks all the boxes except for the fact that she has a dick

>>180576031
permanent metagame unlocks/upgrades that stick with you when you die
also when you win the game you get to fuck the dragon

>>180576031
Decide yourself if you want to go race based or class based for what affects your playstyle.

>>180576031
Alot of different races/classes/whatever with different playstyles would be really nice.
Also character progression other than getting +1 intelligence on a levelup or a shinier stick to beat bad guys with would be neato.

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Im never getting that axe back am i?

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BULLSHIT

>>180578443
Yeah, shit like this is annoying and buggy, tbqh. Monsters shouldn't be able to open doors and attack on the same turn, no matter how fast they are.

>>180578443
clearly crawl needs *band detection

>>180578812
E N E R G Y R A N D O M I S A T I O N`

>>180580180
it used to have it
the divination school of magic was (trigger warning) removed

>>180578443
Why was the manticore between you and the staircase?

>>180578281
What?

>>180578443
FAULT

>>180580450
Energy randomisation is fun and interesting!
>tfw ogre hits you with club of reaching

Energy randomization is the ulcerative colitis of roguelikes.

>>180580524
16 confusion stabs while it was at red and poisoned. Biggest horseshit I ever saw in my life. Finally just said fuck it and used darts.

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>>180578443
O muse, thy name is Fault!
Who blesseth our cheeks with salte,
And filleth our tummies with bitter laughter.
Thy name, we must needs exalt.

>but do no damage
>miss
>miss
>barely miss

>>180581661
dont for get the
>!!!!!
at the end there

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Convince me to Scry.

>>180583649
do it faggot

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Play Ogre I thought.

There's no way I'll find anything useful of D:11 anyway.

>>180583649
Scry?

>>180584049
>that helm

What are some cool *bands that are meant to make the game shorter/less grindy? I've found Quickband and Ironband so far.

>>180584318
Sil is mechanically sortof its own subfield distinct from the rest of the *bands but it is short and sexy and beautiful and you should definitely play it if you like roguelikes

>>180584318
halls of mist has been posted about a bit in here
it's kind of ironman-y though

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>>180585459
>halls of mist

roll vargrs

>win in the op
I thought we had forsaken this foule practice.

>>180585865
b-but i wasn't planning on playing halls of you fail the alchemy test today

I REMEMBER A TIME, LONG LONG AGO, WHERE WE HAD TO FIGHT OVER THE OP PICTURE

i remember i was the first one to slap multiple win screenshots together in mspaint for the op image

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This is POWDER.

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>>180591608
This is my character.

how do i "git gud" at Brogue?

I've literally never gotten past like D:6 or so.

>>180591810
Watch recs by good players.

Any one tried using the steel chain as a weapon in DDA? It says it has a chance of granting a bonus unarmed attack, but I've never seen it work. Do you need high unarmed skill? Melee? Maybe dex? Or does it just roll the punch damage into the displayed damage so it looks like nothing happens?

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Holy shit Atavus getting cucked

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I really love the metagame in IVAN a lot

>>180591810
Learn to play the ID game, pick shit in vaults as if they were +0 if you can't detect magic and even if you can, be prepared for what depth dangerous monsters start spawning

How do I fix UPS charging stations so they charge at 100% efficiency instead of 8%? I'm looking through the JSONs and I'm not seeing anything about it.

>>180594623
why would it be a json thing in the first place
what is with cddaposters and being afraid to modify the actual code

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>That everything

Mu win coming up

>>180594989
become int my lad

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>>180595329
TIEMMAY!

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>>180595484
>antimagic

>>180594968
Because of all the other things that go in JSONs. Where else would something like that go?

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>10 Death Yaks on D:10

yametekure

>>180596224
in the code for charging?
someone posted the commit last thread i think, just find that link and see what it changed

In DCSS, if I'm going to play an air mage, should I train all three of the skills Spellcasting, Conjuration, and air magic? Or should I just train air magic since it basically does the same thing as the other two plus extra air magic damage.

Would the answer also apply to other schools of magic?

>>180596676
you have to train everything lad
you can cut corners and skip conjurations if you want to go for tornado purity

>>180596676
Train everything. If you get a staff of energy or amulet of gourmand you can hold off Spellcasting for a while.

Also Air Magic is shit. Enjoy your Lightning Miss, Conjure Suicide and "Your chain lightning jumps to bushx8"

>>180597104
>>180596840
Thanks

>>180591608
>>180591759
Really wish I could actually play this game on a GBA.

>>180597104
air magic starts with swiftness and rmsl and ends with tornado, the greatest level 9 spell in the game
it is beautiful in the beginning, beautiful in the middle, and beautiful in the end
it is the alpha and omega of magic
it is by air magic alone that i set my win in motion
air magic is love
air magic is life

>>180597391
>air magic starts with rmsl

nice joke, anon

anyone willing to upload an older version of Cataclysm DDA that doesn't have the accuracy change? (6445 is the one right before I think)


if the guy from last thread is here, try uploading to zippyshare

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>>180597536
no
they wouldn't dare

>>180597391
>tornado, the greatest level 9 spell in the game

You mean the only level 9 spell aside from dragon's call which has a cooldown period? That's great for when a tormentor and hell sentinel come into LOS

>>180596676
Spellcasting is only as good as 1/4 of the average of the other spellschools used.

Spellcasting also adds to your maximum MP but only if it is the highest out of SC/Invo/Evo since it just takes the highest value out of those three.

But it's main purpose is that each half level of spellcasting adds one more spell slot to learn new spells.

So basically unless you have really great spellcasting aptitude and the extra magic points are cheap to you, you should raise it to the exact number you need to learn the spell you want right now, and then stop.

in terms of Air Mages you should train Air until you can cast your most important spells without miscast penalties, then switch to 50% air and 50% (defensive skill which is probably dodging). Keep that up until your Air magic is at 10, stopping to train spellcasting when you need to or to get secondary spell schools up to 2 or 3 for the quick boost in spellpower.

>>180597683
At least they still have summon lightning sp-

>>180597683
hope you didn't like lightning spire either

>>180597829
a single tornado is equal to several firestorms in terms of total damage done and mp efficiency so the smug response in this situation is to use meme arrows to paraphrase your post but twist it so it says it's great how you have no mp when a tormentor and hell sentinel show up

>>180597683
they also removed lightning spire from the AE starting book
plus they buffed VM
AE was already the shittiest book start but now the difference between it and its competition is bigger than ever

>>180597932
hey it's fine he can still quadza-

>>180597856
>So basically unless you have really great spellcasting aptitude and the extra magic points are cheap to you, you should raise it to the exact number you need to learn the spell you want right now, and then stop.
note that this is bad advice

>>180598036
Tornado is literally only good for hybrids who farm xp and train armor and don't have the Int for the bigboy spells.

>>180598147
didn't somebody post a graph statistically proving that only badplayers raise spellcasting early like a dozen threads ago

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at least they used to have good taste

>>180598165
you can kill everything with tornado though
it's faster to spam fire/icestorm to kill oofs in the least amount of turns but then your whole mp bar is empty and you leave yourself open to nasty things entering los

>>180598247
i don't think you understand how statistics work

>>180598290
>icestorm
go to bed grandpa you're drunk

>>180598398
they indicate the safest bets in a game that is built upon hundreds of layers of bullshit probabilities

I follow the Qud devs on twitter, and half the posts are literally procedurally generated nonsense. It's like their lore generator is no better than a mad-lib.

Actual example: "You slew Elli-lion, legendary giant amboeba, and the whole time you weeped."

What's the point of having procedural lore if it reads like a fourth grader's first Apple BASIC program?

>>180598604
no they don't
statistics don't have any predictive power because they aren't sufficient to explain cause and effect

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>>180598247
it's not that only badplayers raise it, but that badplayers raise it significantly earlier

http://colinmorris.github.io/blog/dcss_newbie_traps#Spellcasting-overinvestment

>>180598972
wow look at that it's almost like good players rise spc in excess of what is needed to learn spells

>>180599116
you are misinterpeting the graph if you think that's what it's saying

the average goodplayer trains LESS spellcasting. e.g. they hit 15 spellcasting at xl15 instead of at xl13

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>Amulet of the Gourmand

>>180599351
i'm not misinterpreting the graph

>>180599116
like I said, it's a good idea if your aptitude is good and a bad idea if its not

>>180596354
I remember last thread I posted about an issue that was made for recharging stations but I don't think the commit can be found from it.

>>180600569
wow what a nice non statement that doesn't commit you to any idea
it's almost like you're trying to backpedal from your previous retarded comment now that a graph is showing that the top 15% players learn 15 spc at xl15, or 20 spc, at xl20, far in excess of what's needed to memorize the spells.

of course if you actually played the game and managed to make it to zot as a caster this would mirror your experiences as it's really hard to cast those level 9 spells without at least 20-22 in spc, conj, and elemental school unless you have dank int

>>180600851
man how is that in excess of what is necessary to memorize spells at all? it sounds like you're just a badplayer who doesn't pick up a shitton of spells midgame

>>180601189
also if you're getting spellcasting over 20 before maxing out your other spellschools to cast a level 9 spell then you are literally just terrible at math.

>>180601189
you have it the other way around, you pick up those shitton of spells because you have the extra spell levels because you had to skill spc
you have no wins

>>180601294
skills cost rises exponentially with skill levels, by the time you have 22 conj 22 elemental school it's extremely cheaper to get 20 spc instead of trying to get sl27 in both which will take you a long time
zero wins

Players underground can't see the approximate time without a watch, but can still wait until dawn.

Muh realism.

>>180601515
raising spc only has 1/4 the effect on fail rate and power that schools have, and it takes a lot of levels for spc to cost 1/4 as much as schools.

>>180601515
man you can look on the skill screen itself

if it doesn't cost less than half as much as it costs to raise fire or conj to raise spellcasting then it's inefficient to raise spellcasting to cast firestorm.

the formula uses [(spellcasting/2)+(AvgSpellschools*2)]*3 to derive the value for skill that's subtracted from the failure rate base value. if you can't understand this kind of middleschool math you are literally stupid.

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>>180602393
>and it takes a lot of levels for spc to cost 1/4 as much as schools.
no it doesn't
once again you don't understand exp requirement growth
look at this here, it takes the about same amount of exp to go from 20 to 26 as it would to go from 1 to 20, assuming aptitudes are the same.

even the graph is showing the top 15% of players are getting over 20 spc at xlevels where getting 27 in both conj and elemental school are impossible

why are you even giving me the muh math rhetoric when you literally are doing the math wrong
you are retarded my man

>>180602393
it has 1/4th the effect of the /average of all spell schools/

it's pretty poor for single-school spells but it's actually 3/4ths as xp-efficient as real schools for tri-school spells

>>180603243
looking at that it appears I gave you exactly the right math considering that spellcasting does fuck all for your spellpower you fucking backpeddling jew nigger

What games are you currently playing that are not DCSS?

>>180576031

I like how DoomRL and Sil handle their skill progression

Copy that shit senpai. add challenge modes to encourage different builds.

>>180603662
i think i broke you because you're literally spiraling into denial right now
you are as wrong as you can be on almost every single game mechanic related thing you said
your advice is so bad that it doesn't even qualify as a heuristic, even the auto skilling system is better than following your words

never post again

>>180603783
Rondo Duo -Yoake no Fortissimo- Punyu Puri ff
notaroguelike tho

>>180603846
doomrl is good
sil's is kind of shitty imo
so much of the leveling is spending xp on the extremely boring "+1 to hit", "+1 to evasion" etc upgrades

i prefer a leveling system where you only pick perks that actually have a noticeable gameplay affect instead of choosing 9 times to get yourself +1 to-hit and then on the 10th time finally getting an interesting upgrade

>>180604210
i thought i just told you to never post

>>180604262
you told a different anonymous roguelikes autist to never post

>>180604414
i'm sorry

you should be sorry

>>180572216
Don't forget
>no permadeath

>>180603906
Getting to 21 in a skill costs 15750
Getting to 27 costs 29750
Spellcasting is half as good as each spellschool for a two school spell.
15750*2=31500
31500>29750
therefore if you raise spellcasting higher than 20 before maxing Fire and Conj to learn Firestorm, you are bad and stupid. Pharoahs and Dog-Girls weep with shame when you open your mouth.

>>180604749
spellcasting has additional benefits as well though
for the price of being 5% less xp-efficient for your spell success and spell power, you also get a boost to your maximum MP, your number of spell slots, and your success rates for the various other utility spells you have memorized like rmsl, stoneskin, and phase shift

>>180604628
>implying any roguelike has permadeath if you want it to not have it
:^)

>>180604749
>15750*2=31500
>31500>29750
this is the most fucking retarded math i have ever seen in my entire life
i think your brain should be analyzed as an example of how people fuck up math
getting to 21 FROM ZERO gives you 21 spc levels which are worth 10.5 regular conj/elmental school level worth of skill levels
going from 20 to 26 costs AS MUCH AS THAT while only giving you 6 skill levels worth
your retarded advice didn't specify exactly when you should stop skilling spc, but it doesn't matter, because skilling spc from 18 to 21 or from 10 to 21, it's always going to be worth it at some point before you manage to max out the other skills

lua script that lets you pick a multi-school spell and automatically trains whichever of the spell schools (or spc) is currently most xp-efficient W H E N

>>180605441
Getting Fire from 26>27 is still better than getting Spellcasting from 20>21 if you want to cast Firestorm right away.

>>180605582
Hi I'm a crawldev and came in here just to say WHY NOT JUST MAKE THE GAME PLAY ITSELF and then some vague shit about optimal play and winrates

also no we won't make any of the math or numbers visible in game even though we make it more and more counter-intuitive and obscure whenever possible that would make it TOO COMPLICATED for casual players just play the game lol ;)

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what is this nigger ass trove, cost me a +6 demon blade

>>180606937
>filled with good consumables like holy word and recharging
>refunds half the enchant scrolls
>he thinks its bad

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>>180607610
i just wanted a hat to be honest

also im going into vaults:5 stacked as fuck

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How do I do this right? Do I empower one a bunch then use the wand of plenty?

>>180608894
yes, make a super naga then clone it

>>180609542
How many times should I empower? I can do it twice right now, but I should hold off for more?

>>180608894
That's some nice stuff.
>>180609665
About five-ish times, iirc.

Best god for casters? Sif Muna right?

>>180611898
Right. Start with Ash if you have a good book.

>>180611898
vehu is the otabbiest (and thus boringest) got for casters

>>180614482
Even at like 3 invo Sif gives more MP. And if you evoke feet after using divine powers you can cast bolts every third turn, entirely free. Vehumet isn't even good anymore.

>>180608894
Get Vamp, Blink, Sap, Flying, and Fire Immunity if possible. Then apply 1 more empower before plentying.
This extra empower is so that your nagas can learn an extra good talent like negation, haste, or healing.
Normally having nagas learn spells is not great, but when you have a harem that can haste and heal eachother and negate enemies it's basically unstoppable.

>>180615779
Haste is iffy, though, because of buggy enemy AI. Normally they are reluctant to negate and discord your friends -- unless your buddies have buffs like haste and protect on them. You need reflection if they learn that.

Probably invisibility also works, but invisible melee allies are not very good.

What would you say the best god for DrTm is? I tried Ru, and it didn't go amazing, though I think I got a bit unlucky with the sacrifices (The second set of sacrifices was between an eye, stealth, or words). Even though sacrificing your hand seems like it would be a no brainier, the loss of that extra ring slot still hurts. Ru's aura was really useful, but I suspect she really isn't amazing for hybrid characters.

I wouldn't be surprised if Usk was strong, but hes pretty boring.

>>180616502
When you have 7 or 8 nagas its really okay if you get a couple negated. The only hard attributes to find deep and sap and vamp.

>>180616716
tm is just an otabber with big buff spells so any otab god works
okawaru is always good because of how well UC scales with skill investment

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YES

I mean NO

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>tfw you have too much good shit too choose from

>>180619251
nice of there to be 2 exits so you can't stop things with a single conjure flame cast

>>180619251
>gozag, wand of acid, bolt of fire, fireball, blink, and 34 mana
If he deals any damage to you you are a confirmed retard for life.

>>180619275
All of those are non-choices.
You have the correct things equipped in every slot except ofrariep may be better than epnin depending on your base Strength.

>>180619275
that ring of epeen is pretty close to qw's wet dream

>Have the perfect setup to do extended
>Don't want to go through the effort of actually doing it
>End up ascending with 5 runes
Oh well.

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>>180622151
this is real winning, anon, don't pretend you missed out

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These items are whack as fuck gozag.

>>180619536
lerny would just walk through the flame though
and an 18ac 15ev caster nerd does not want to be in melee range of a 27-headed hydra even IF the hydra is inside a flame cloud

>>180608894
Did you winned?

>>180622151
if you try speedrunning you'll start to see extended differently, since it becomes all about vault burglary and you just sanic through all the hells and tomb ignoring all the monsters and loot whenever it's possible.

walking through pan is still terrible though

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This is fine. Everything is fine.

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Figured you guys might be interested in a fun Brogue seed.

Seed: 145580967
Actual spoiler:
The seed is very good for a staves build

My attempt: https://pastebin.com/8yMY1eJj
Pastebin links to the recording, since 4chan thinks it's spam.

>>180628025
Thank for for your delicious seed, anon. I'll have to wait until tomorrow to swallow it all down to the amulet though.

>>180623420
I went to bed so I haven't finished yet.

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UUUNGH

Man

I just spent like 20 minutes looking at IVAN's item data to find out that Maces are apparently OP now and have better blocking than everything. You can't block at all with whips (okay), and almost all weapons are flagged two-handed except long swords, short blades, and whips, making them crap for dex talented characters (okay).

So if you got strength talent you can just immediately decide to dual wield two maces forever without hesitation, and if you got speed talent you basically have to use a shield because there are no fast weapons that can block.

You can use a halberd or a big two handed sword, but then any combat that actually matters will be reduced to quickly assessing whether or not your weapon is harder than the enemy's and will therefor break their equipment allowing you to hit them.

You almost might as well just use a shield no matter what and then just decide whether you want to use a Mace, a Long Sword, or a Two-handed Sword in the other hand.

There's no reason to use whips because they just fucking break all the fucking time.

Which is a lot of stuff I wish I had known sooner and probably should have looked up right away in the first place.

Maybe a heavily enchanted and hardened Whip of Thievery would work with a shield.

It sure as fuck doesn't work without one.

>>180628025
Died on 9 by via sheer stupidity. Good seed though, you weren't lying.

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Hahaha

>>180603783
Brogue, Age of Wonders, and Dominions 4.

DED thread, just like my runs.

>>180628025
>this seed
Holy FUCK how is this even legal.

>>180639104
>DED thread, just like my runs.

Try running DECj then.

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>>180639258
So ez I had two pots of life spare at the end.
Spoilered because gear is shown.

>a blademaster with two rapiers of draining
>down well into dark red drain through rN+ and ~38 EV
that's fine, I didn't want to have skills anyway

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>>180641545
>>180641685
Anon.. When you see that just run away and use wands/spells/anything ranged you have available

>>180642573
irefusetolearnfromthis.jpg

>>180641685
Weapon drain isnt stopped by rN i believe, only spells

>>180643465
Nah, it is. The most obvious example is earlygame wights, who are relatively harmless if you luck into an early ring of positive energy (and thus rarely take off more than 0.2 skill total), versus having no rN against, where they can take like .5 to 1 skill total.

Melee range (A)Liches are another example.

>>180643790
But wights dont have drain branded weapons, its a 'passive skill' or how ever its categorized

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>You will never struggle this hard on a single combo

feels ok desu

>>180644029
Just wizmoded it.

Created a deep elf blademaster with a rapier of draining (&m, and then 'deep elf blademaster; rapier ego:draining'). It's fairly hacky testing, but it drained a lot more on average without rN than with rN+.

I just did half of vaults:1 without my armor on.

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Is the Inacc worth it? Assuming I don't have another source of rElec, rMsl, and 10EV

>>180648125
I once escaped zot with the orb before realizing that i'd been meleeing dudes with my staff of energy the whole time.

>>180648309
If you gotten 2 or 3 runes atleast it shouldnt be that big of a problem, the amulet is pretty good and RMsl is godlike later on against all the shit you get thrown, since you found it in labyrinth youre probably in d:10 or deeper or in lair/orc so its not worth using yet
If you dont have any other source of rElec use that, if you have shoals, it should be the quickest switch of your life no matter what

>>180648309
Ask yourself if you even need this.
rElec is really only good for Zot, you can deal with spark wasps and shock serpents with hexing wands and you can just run from titans.
rMsl is nice I guess but if your armor and resistances aren't terrible, it doesn't matter much either.

How important is Sinv for a three runes? Cause I sure wish I could shed my scale mail for plate but it's the only item I got with Sinv on it. Is there anything worse than unseen horrors to worry about, considering I'm in Vaults right now?

>>180651009
Not that big of a deal, the biggest threat that can get you is unseen horror, unique with invis, ghost moth or lich with invis spellbook but it all depends on your race/background, level, etc..

>>180651009
Invisible liches, vampire knights and aliches are pretty damn hard to kill. Invisible vampire mages and boggarts are pretty hellish summoning experiences.
Invisible ghost moths are pretty bad if you are a caster.
If you know what you are doing around these monsters you can usually deal with them without SInv by manipulating LOS against them.

>>180651009
It's annoying to play without it (invisible summoners hurrrrr) and a bit dangerous in Zot, less so if you're a huge meleedude steamrolling through everything, much more so if you are a caster. It's not absolutely necessary at all though. Find it on a ring and swap it in when you really need it.

>>180633018
Turn your shield into arcanite, because the ability to block is based on the shield's weight (arcanite isn't much weaker than mithril, and you probably aren't smart enough to make octiron).

>>180633018

Are Kevlar whips still a thing? Or do they break as well. It's been a while since I've played IVAN.

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It's strange how well a game goes once you start giving no fucks about the outcome.

Why the fuck wasn't it this smooth on the other billion yred octopodes I splatted?

>>180652625
thanks I didn't know weight important I was just gonna go for max durability
>>180654362
Kevlar exists but there's no reason to use it over Angel Hair

I realized I haven't redownloaded DCSS since 0.16
If I get the latest version, what are the biggest changes I'm going to need to know about?

>>180659194
MiBe needed a buff, so they removed the repel missiles spell and moved its effect to an item they could use.

>>180659194
No more haste spell
No more haste, heal, or tele wands
New cloud and shotgun wands which are both really good
Sif's abilities got reworked
Tomb is shittier than ever before

>>180659194
Forgot to mention, !mut !cmut and !benemut are merged together. The new !mut cures some muts and then gives a few new ones (mostly good)

>>180659194
frog race

>>180659194
Ogre's m&f aptitude got hosed, now they're high HP mages for some reason.

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*fires 10 arrows at once on u*

ay yo is that a new demon version released

Is auto-explore meant to be used heavily in DC:SS? I'm used to NetHack where it's small areas. In Crawl is seems like it's based around auto-explore except for when fighting or on some special levels.

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>>180661962
tfw no qt centuar bf

>>180662758
yes you should autoexplore pretty much all the time except when you're trying to do turncount speedruns

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Anyone still /azuredreams/ here? I've got a question. I've managed to climb all the way to floor 37. I know i could beat the game, i've got a Trained +70 and a Mirror +66, and an Acid Rain ball with ~25 charges. So that's not a problem. Here's what i have a problem with, though...

Eins: Do i need Kewne on floor 40? Or does he just appear outta nowhere if i don't have him?

Twei: Should i go back to town and stash my eggs? I've gotten all the new mons from floor 30 upwards sitting in my inventory, and i'm a little afraid beating the game makes me lose them. It's just so tedious Baronging for Roches again...

>>180662758
Yes, the majority of your turns should be on the autoexplore algorithm.

Really just automate the whole thing and let qw play for you.

>>180662950
1. He'll appear out of nowhere.
2. After beating the game you will be sent to the city and keep your items.

>>180662758
auto explore is shit

Anything you bought or you want to buy on the steam sales?

I was thinking of ADOM just to throw some bucks at the developers and get the new releases

>>180664216

>ADOM is not discounted

this is unfortunate

>>180664216
>paying for roguelikes
>paying for the ur-jew's roguelike

>>180663897
Okay, thanks. Was a little worried there, i roche'd a Dragon on the same floor i found a Kid egg on.

>>180664939
All roguelike developers are Jewish. They're the only ones with the skill and intellect to make a roguelike game.

Is it me or is the nerf to animated dead (they vanish after a time) insanely fucking stupid?

>>180668280
>the best roguelikes are all made by japanese
samurai wins every time

>>180668284
It's, mostly because it just means necromancy is now literally just summoning with a different wrapper, instead of it's own thing.

But then again, permanent scaling allies for the price of a level 1 or 4 spell is strong as fuck, so I can see the rationale behind it.

>>180668284
>is X nerf/removal done by waffen dcss insanely fucking stupid
The answer is always yes.

>>180668719
The only ones worth mentioning are Elona and the Shiren.

>>180669528
That's my biggest complaint. Except summons scale. necromancy doesn't really

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Why do the devs allow this

>>180628025
>13 hours ago
>read the spoiler
Might give it a try but I feel it doesn't count
My guy from a previous seed run is still alive, kek

>>180671958
>Minimap
>Tiles

Where should I look if I want to learn casters in DCSS? With anything but mibe I die to adders pre lair

>>180672371
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Majang%27s_Caster_Walk-Through

Best guide on this

>>180671958
>100% coverage
>11/11 defenses
>50 warmth
Seems like it could be surprisingly decent early on if you could get a fitted one and a shopping cart.

>>180672371
As always, there's Demise's videos. Here's a series of TeIE gameplay he recently did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzKdi5L26LQ

But if you're dying to adders, probably an important thing to do would be either leaning heavily on making your early magic strong, or pumping just a bit of Stealth so that you can pick and choose your encounters.

>>180673859
>>180672968

Thank you, I think the guide on the wiki is now nearer to my skill level (why does automatic leveling even exist? The game should always ask you at the start what you want to level...)

>>180673859
Hey I didn't know about this guy
Neat

>>180674093
You can change that behavior with your rcfile.

default_manual_training = true

And then a common addition is this:
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/settings/advanced_optioneering.txt#L44-L52

Just paste the highlighted text into your rcfile, and it should always start new games with the skill menu open.

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>>180671958
Comfy, degenerate but comfy

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what the fuck

>>180675205
Demise is pretty good, as that anon says, but he's more an 'instinctive' fast player, so if you want slower gameplay, zzxc(the best active streaker) has some videos as well, however they are a year old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DStCYJRhd0s

>>180675548
What did you do..

>>180675620
>>180673859

wow thanks for the heads up. Very useful. Didn't know roguelikes could have youtube content

>>180675548
wew...

>>180675620
>he spends 2 minutes isolating the rat and the cockroach

>>180676204
TOB

>>180676204
tbqh, if there was a gecko beyond them, it'd be near enough game over after he uses his MP on the rat and cockroach.

You have to play pretty autistically for an unbroken 33-streak, especially in the early game.

>>180676372
Tob?

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>>180671958
the commit message even gave arelgee a shoutout

Is Stealth viable in Stone Soup yet?

In Brogue, is taking Plate Armor from a vault ever worth it?

>>180677323
stealth has always been a good skill in stone soup
but it is for literallywalkaway, not for killing.
(unless you have ensorcelled hibernation)
"stabbers" with only stealth and no enchantments or other stab-enabling shit are and have always been awful, though

>>180677323
Do you mean sneaky o-tabbing?

>>180677323
the game is not intended to have a pacifist conduct available and never will dummy

>>180678292
Someone post that lvl 9 win as a Sp, i believe it was lvl 9

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Baby's first win. Got psyched so I failed at taking the right screenshot. I liked the escape, though it felt like I could have done more runes without too much problems.

>>180677764
I never do, but I'm also bad. Melee characters feel like you need too many items to come together for you to be decent.

there was a DD^Ely ascension with one (1) kill

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im dying laughing

>>180678647
I took it because I found a blessed war axe and a ring of transference on the first floor. But yeah, I agree

>>180670017
Yeah. The two best ones.

>>180671958
can you modify it with a dildo and horse semen injector to restore nutrition without stopping to eat

Just stopping in to let you nagas know that the OWH remake is currently 90% off on steam.

It even seems not to be crashing anymore, and apparently they added an option to make traps visible by default.

http://www.ultimaratioregum.co.uk/game/2017/06/24/burnout-and-the-future/

URR dev discovers finishing things is hard.

>>180675620
>That part where he wields a dagger dropped by a goblin on D:1
holy fucking fault

>>180569287
Why does people get their stats on str now?

>>180681038
Strength-weight was removed. Damage is only affected by strength; accuracy is only affected by Dex.

Since Strength also lets you wear heavy armour without bad accuracy/spellcasting penalties and since high damage can trivialize many encounters, Strength usually is usually the focus now.

>>180680429
Pretty sure everyone had that game up there with incursion on the list of roguelikes that had zero chance of ever being finished.

Though that essay was incredibly autistic, so I suppose there is still some hope.

>>180682447
Realistically, how many roguelikes ever get finished? I've always kinda had hope for it, in that he's actually been able to sorta back up his blog posts, unlike the Cult/Empyrea debacle.

Why the fuck did they get rid of potion of restore abilities?

>>180681565
Is this written somewhere?

>>180682963
Stat death isn't a thing anymore. While you are fairly gimped at stat zero, it's no longer highly likely to kill you. Plus, ">making the game harder" is a likely reason.

>>180683267
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d466a242f698402d4be0e97ab43c1f935f514b55

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UNBREAKABLE UNYIELDING FORCE

>>180684018
What did he mean by this?

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is this even worth using
fog fucking sucks and -2 slay is bad

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hehe

>>180675620
A big reason why I rec Demise is because he has videos of current versions, so you can see how he plays in the current meta (0.19/0.20/trunk). zxc is great to watch in a general "how do I approach Crawl and win most characters safely" kind of way, but his streak videos are confined to 0.16 and 0.17 -- not exactly old, but not exactly new, either (for instance, Strength weight was removed in 0.18; IIRC, zxc actually describes the benefits of Dex in his GrGl video, but if you play 0.18 or newer, that's not really the case anymore).

Overall, like even the guide at >>180672968 says, you have to know the context of advice/video/gameplay and know how to apply it to your own case.

Is there a guide out there now that str is the damage basis?
*dcss

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9% statue form, time to abandon Yred. Thanks for carrying me tho.

But seriously, why does he ban statue form, makes zero sense considering kiku doesn't care and he pretty much has the same flavour.

Never played DCSS before, what version should I play before they started removing both content and "problematic" content?

>>180687662
0.20 is, I think, the only version where they straight-up removed content for being problematic (Sharnga -> Zephyr). Everything else was just changes to sex, and (as one anon autistically bitched about) adding more colors to the human monsters.

Which rune is the hardest to get?

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>when you can't fit your vehicle on the road and a shrub takes your wheel off
Wish I had some more batteries to build a little motorized loot cart instead.

I was thinking of buying Caves of Qud

>>180688678
dont

>>180688731

elaborate your grievances with this particular entertainment product

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21306

Cata is saved

tummybros ww@

>>180688678
Buy it. It's awesome

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I guess my character must have rolled over and evaded it

>>180684630
>fog sucks
you are bad at video games

scroll of fog is good on its own
but this shit isn't a consumable scroll it's evokable and infinitely spammable

>find blessed banded mail
Oh man. Maybe I'll just return this plate

>>180576031
I'm a big fan of meme races like dcss's octopodes with 8 ring slots, or something with 2 heads for 2 helmet slots.

>>180687927
Hell runes, probably Dis is the worst just for sheer volume of shit in Dis 7, but Coc can also perforate you

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nigga you're made of fire what the fuck

Does using Tornado/Chain Lightning count as you attacking your summoned allies?

>>180694065
casting spells that damage your summoned allies counts as attacking your summoned allies
so yes, unless they're sixfirhies

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what get
>tiles
you don't play brogue shut up

>>180687927
I'd say Tomb if you're an ant, and Tartarus if you're not an ant.

Tomb is easy if you just yakkity sax through it with blink/tele scrolls and pog relays, but ant can't really do that and has no way out once it gets surrounded by all the summons.

Tartarus is filled with summoning monsters and things that use torment, and the boss is really really fast and uses silence making it hard and dangerous to ninja.

If you're playing a really slow game where you get all the XP and auto-explore every floor then they're all really easy and boring because you just kill everything and go home.

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Well no wonder he was so cocky.

Also I'm going to die now.

>>180677779
>have literally no plan B for when a sleeping monster wakes up before I get to it or if it takes more than one hit to kill
>predictably lose the game
>identify this as a design flaw in which the devil's team failed to make a standard archetype viable
>whine about it on 4chan

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I cannot BELIEVE that fucking worked

>>180694693
clair

>>180689167
I saw this one. It needs to get in. Pitching machine vehicle weapon when?

>>180695415
Yeah I took that
Only +1, but whatever

>>180695287
I dunno, it seems from the screenshot as if you're a tree with no HP who is surrounded by enemies, so I'm not sure if it's really time to celebrate yet.

>>180684630
Swrong you Fucking Reatard.

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>hit a bear and lost my other wheel
>spend several days removing and installing my alternator to train up to mechanics 4
>can now reattach my wheel
Remember to check the damage on the wheel frames before grabbing a vehicle

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What the fuck are you guys doing
>fight all of this for a detect magic!
Yeah no fuck that

>>180684630
it's one of the best items

>>180696663
>brogue
>tiles

what is wrong with you, you pi*ce of f*c*s? Brogue is the one roguelike that actually benefits from not having tiles because there are only like 10 enemy types.

>>180697806
Read>>180694693
For real, I just like being able to see the fucking torches better, since disable color effects is broken
Also ascii is too thin for a high res monitor, and the tiles are pretty

>>180696608
skillgrinding is at lest 60% of why i haven't tried that game

>>180698264
it's a shit game anyway

>>180698264
skillgrinding is for plebs anyways
as soon as you have level 2 mechanics, a wrench and a hacksaw, you just get yourself a wastelandmobile and go on a road trip
instead of wasting real-life minutes spamming crafting recipes to get skill levelups you just waste in-game weeks reading the entire contents of a library. then you get in your car and drive to the next town for the next library

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Be careful, it's a new moon tonight!

(also what do I wish for?)

>>180699612
magic marker so you can write blessed scrolls of charging
blessed +2 fireproof speed boots
blessed +2 fireproof cloak of magic resistance
Leave one till after you've done Sokoban, you might want to wish for an amulet of reflection.

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SHIT

>>180700440
just walk upstairs idiot

>>180700052
Is there any reason to have two sources of magic resistance? I got that gray dragon armor from a previous wish.

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>Get a shopping cart
>Fill it with things
>Lose it
>Search for it for several in-game days
>Finally find it
>Don't need anything in it, found a welding rig cart while looking

>>180701432
Oh yeah I didn't notice that. Scratch that then.

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>FINALLY A LONG SWORD I CAN USE
>Poison
>Shining one doesnt like it when you poison
o-okay

>>180701957
how did you lose it im sure you can make a mark on the map

>>180702436
>long blade
>rapier

anon...

Also, if you're playing 0.20 or trunk, TSO is fine with poison.

>>180702593
What does it count as then, a short blade?
And weirdly, I found a scroll of acquirement, first time ever seeing one after like.. 50 splats. So I asked for a weapon and it gave me a 2+ sword of holy wrath so like whatever i hope that was random because if so that was awesome

>>180702593
>Can riposte with a giant two handed 3 bladed sword
>Can not RIPOSTE with a RAPIER
Touche, devil's team.

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>>180702684
I genuinely do not know which to take. The lair scares me but so does the orcish mines, i've only ever cleared the mines out with an extremely pissed troll berserker, and the lair i've yet to fully beat, though I HAVE gotten to the spider place and then died because muh orbs

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Most satisfying thing in the whole game

>>180703050
Did you know that you can leave a branch when it gets too hard and then do the other one?

>>180703241
Too hard is only apparent to me when I've taken 90% of my HP, I really need to develop an eye for when things get dangerous.

>>180702842
>3-bladed sword does more damage than 2 bladed sword, which does more damage than a longsword

back in the before time, triple swords were named claymores and double swords were named bastard swords

>>180703473
A bastard sword is smaller than a long sword!

>>180569112

Does the suggested list of mobile roguelikes still hold true or have better ones come out since? I cant find the android versions of doomrl if anyone can point me in the right direction there.

>>180703572
it depends how long the long sword is, really

and how big the hands of the bastard sword wielder are

>play like a retard
>orc priests chasing me
>find crazy yiuf's vault
>try to "lock" myself inside, even though that's improbable
>yiuf on one side, priests on my other
>"well rip this crappy run"

>Crazy Yiuf hits you but does no damage.
>Your surroundings suddenly seem different.

Xom would LOVVVVEEEE this.

>>180703787

Also i came across diabloRL which sounds very appealing. Have any of you played yet?

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FAULT

>>180704161
How do you fuck up this bad? They're just furies.

>>180703473
they only had the nofun names for one version (0.15) before they returned to their true identities

way back in the real before time, double and triple swords were their own weapon skill, something like "exotic weapons". so if you wanted to use the best weapon in the game you absolutely had to switch weapon schools just for it

>>180705525
There was an agile Tentacle Horror with them and I found them with about 50% health

Instead of just polymorphing the Horror or levitating over lava (way more dangerous, barely even an option really) I kinda tried to bait the furies downstairs. Ended up waking the Horror and eating shit

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Just spending some quality time with Jenny, my personal trainer

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now that's some cool shit

>>180707084
Wow, Qud's autotiler sucks absolute dick.

>>180707209
>Qud [...] sucks absolute dick.
correct

>>180707084
more like caves of qrap lol

>>180703921
I'm intrigued. Looking forward to your posts about it.

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>>180707414

>>180707209
>>180707354
>>180707414
>I literally am not capable of saving even 10 dollars

>>180707484
i did save ten dollars, by not buying it

>>180707484
>buying roguelikes
lol???

>>180707084
if you throw every liquid on the ground in one tiles does the game have a seizure?

>>180707484
>criticizing a graphical feature means I must secretly want to play the game but am also unable to afford it
I spent at least 20 bucks today on shitty itch.io games so trust me, I could afford your trashy little RL if I wanted to.

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>>180707484
Where do you think we are?

>>180707667
>paying more than 0 dollars for video games
l m a o