Heroes of the Storm General - /hotsg/

maiev a shit

Is it normal that it placed me so high after placements? Just hit 14 required heroes today. Or is diamond not that high in this game?

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>>180507751
>>180507751
forgot pic

>>180505685
took your advice, got cursed hollow
>Curse? What curse? I make my own minion wave.

>>180507902
MMR is fucked so you can abuse new accounts to get placed into Diamond, because they assume all players play like 800 games of QM before trying ranked.

Should I be using Rag more as a specialist than an assassin, he got gutted and I feel he's better at pushing/providing stun/ speed boost than actually being an assassin? Or am I just wood, league, like I'm bad but am I THAT bad

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more titty monsters soon!

lune when

>>180507751
this is a casual game, most of the playerbase is very bad
diamond is still pretty high though
and yes that comma was grammatically incorrect

non comma autism edition

>>180508162
>>180508185
STOP IT

>>180507902
not to worry if you suck you will sink down to even shitter ranks the more games you play

Where the FUCK is Maiev????

where are the hot pictures of tyrande?

>>180508118
He's kind of both. His presence in a team fight is good but not OP like before so you need to choose your battles wisely.

I think Lava Wave might actually be his good heroic again since the nerf to Smash, so use your discretion on different maps and weigh your options before choosing.

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>that jittery movement enemies do when they are trying to get away but someone is blocking them

Gets me every time.
You can feel the desperation.

>>180508232
,no

>>180508056
>>180508162
humm
Is it worth to try and get master? I likely won't bother playing hots too often and I don't want to deal with decay.

>>180508258
Where the FUCK is Kel'Thuzad????

is sylvanas a good pick for ranked games?

>>180508258
>Maiev
>>180508457
>Kel'Thuzad
who?

>>180508258
>>180508457
Where the FUCK is Moira????

>>180508536
Yes but not always.
In low level rank she's a nightmare because noobs can't into map awareness and her splitpushing gets a lot of value. In higher rank she's an objective enabler that makes the summonable map objective wins you get far more powerful because towers can't damage them while Sylvanas is around.

>>180508256
I doubt I've gotten that shit at ASSFAGGOTS. I was mostly wondering if it is a good start. Perhaps this game is better for getting into masters, in league I hit brick wall in d1.

>>180508706
Well there's like any rank it doesn't matter much except for changing match quality. If you don't enjoy the base game then climbing is meaningless.

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>>180508620
REEEEEEEEE

>>180508620
das rite
we need another diverse overwatch character
WHERE THE FUCK IS WIDOWMAKER

>>180508867
>lvl 20 talent
>Spawns kitten

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>>180508921
SAY IT WITH ME

NEVER
FUCKING
EVER

>people bitching about maiev and kel 'thuzad
>not even posting their ability ideas

post it already or forever end your shitposting

>>180508921
Widowmaker is one of the few Overwatch heroes who will literally be never ever because of extreme kit overlap with already existing heroes.

>>180508921
She'll just have a much faster owl, that is one hit kill if hit from over 1 screen away, with a 10 second cool down. Her kit will also contain her trusty hook that lets her essentially teleport 1 screen distance, and a trap that deals 5% hp every second for 10 seconds. Lets not forget her ultimate, which will reveal all enemies on the map.

>>180508965
>kitten has 1hp
>when killed Kel goes into autistic fit giving him unimaginable powers
>REEEEE GET OUT OF MY NECROPOLIS INTERLOPERS REEEEE

>>180508867
>lvl 20
>spawn cat

>>180508867
I imagine they havent done KT yet because of the fear of dissapointing
I mean, what do you even make him, a burst mage with frost nova and d&d? or a summon specialist with minions of the cold dark, obey the call of kelthuzad? do you make him have a living form and a lich form or just one
how do you express his whole involvement in the plague and malganis
it all needs to be there

>>180509136
Kel'thuzad will likely be like his WC3 rendition so basically a support/specialist.

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>>180509124
>ultimate reveal all enemies on the map
naw thats gonn be her E, ultimate n1 gives her +500% attack speed and +200% attack range
ultimate n2 makes everyone revealed by her E suffer 100% of their missing health as damage
>>180509107
>>180509003
think again sweety

>>180509136
I'd say Lich with
Q - frost nova
W - ???
E - undead summon
R - Death&Decay / Guardians of Icecrown

>>180509280
Javalin Amazon is entirely different from bow amazon, so no. Widowmaker has exactly the skills she has in Overwatch and nothing more, kind of hard to justify two "long range burst sniper" heroes.

>>180509271
in what fucking way is the lich a support/specialist
did you even play warcraft 3

>>180509136
>take lich from dota2
>put him in hots

there ya go

>>180509417
>armor
>zone control with nova and d&d
>not specialist

>>180509417
>frost armor
>dark ritual
>death and decay does 4% of base hp in damage to all units and structures
>slows with low damage
???

>>180509514
>>180509546
>useless armor that no one used
>high damage aoe nuke
>kill a unit to regenerate mana and continue spamming your overpowered nuke
he is as much a specialist as kaelthas or guldan
that is not at all

>>180508267
I'm thinking of using a hybrid W/E build where I harass with W and use E to either initiate on tank or to give a Squishy a speed boost to get out of trouble, my talent build would be
2
2
2
Map specific, smaller more compact maps I can use smash and hello during team fight, bigger more push heavy maps use wave for clear
1,3 depending on how the games progressing
1,2 again game/team dependent
And 20 you can upgrade your ults or grab better trait power again team dependent

>>180509271
I like this idea. Make him like Khara were he can build eitheir way.

>>180509282

Frost Armor - WC3
Trait - Death Pact - Minion deaths give stacks, use stacks to heal

R - Undead Thrall - teleport inside an enemy hero, if they die within 3 seconds, KelThuzad gains control and they are fully healed, last 15 seconds, then the enemy hero explodes applying an aoe poisenreleasing KelThuzad

Also I'd like a heal that works by spawning a "hammerang" speed projectile from an enemy, it deals damage and heals, gaining heal per enemy hit.

>>180509704
> thinking no one used frost armor.
Someone didn't win a WCG I see

>>180509490
>Q: point and click damage whose slow will absolutely be nerfed before being added to hots
>W: safeguard
>E: definitely removed, mana isn't a meaningful resource in hots and denies dont exist
>R: ball lightning

>>180509704
I mean they took Samuro's most useless ability Mirror Image and made it integral to his base kit, so don't take how the heroes ended up being played to how they would translate them over.

Even if they took stuff from his boss fight in Naxx he'd still be a specialist of some sort or fashion.

>>180509798
>Frost Armor - WC3
>Trait - Death Pact - Minion deaths give stacks, use stacks to heal

>R - Undead Thrall - teleport inside an enemy hero, if they die within 3 seconds, KelThuzad gains control and they are fully healed, last 15 seconds, then the enemy hero explodes applying an aoe poisenreleasing KelThuzad
is this bait?
I refuse to believe anyone can have ideas this bad

>>180509802
you want to make a support
that can only give 2-10 armor with a slow, and a relatively long cd
why would anyone pick him

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>>180508921
>>180509003
more like downsmaker hah, gotteem

>>180510150
to be Kel'Thu-fucking-zad obviously

I love Lili not because of her casual lewdness or her attractiveness, but because her youthful innocence and optimism reminds me of better days when I had a similar outlook on life

>>180509935
Your mom didn't get an abortion, so I mean there's that idea.

>>180510319
>casual lewdness
kill
you're
self

>>180510150
Obviously frost armor would grant 25% armor and apply a debuff to attackers or something in HoTS.

Add something like Talent: Hit Frost Armor Key again to explode it into a small aoe root.

how do I get out of elo hell

I'm stuck in gold 5, I keep getting at least one litteral dead weight on my team, either an AFK, a guy who stays in his lane all game, or a dude who picks a shitty heroes/hero he can't play, people who feed, my last game had a greymane with 10 deaths by minute 16, I need help.
I finished last seasons at promotion to plat from gold but I lost 8 out of 10 of my placements to this bullshit and I don't know what to do at this point.

>>180510551
>long duration 25 armor
shit combine this guy with varian's ironforge banner and any high-armor warrior and you get a permanently invincible asshole

or better yet do a cho'gall with permanent 50 armor and temporary 70 armor under the banner

>>180510862
get good enough to carry your shitty gold teammates to victory against your shitty gold opponents

>>180510990
more often than not my teammates are silver 1-2 against gold 4, and I don't think it's possible to carry when you have a 4 levels deficit because the autists on your team decided tower diving was the key to all this

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>>180510990
But that would mean he'd have to play as if he were at least a platinum player.

Has anyone ever pulled something larger than 7 day stimpack in a loot chest?

Has anyone ever bought the 1 year stimpack?

>>180511514
The one year goes on sale around Blizzcon and is a hella good deal then. Otherwise don't bother.

in my perfect world KT would have a two-forms mechanic similar to dva or graymane
he would spawn as a necromancer, with an aoe "plague" nuke with low damage, long range, long cd and a slow/movementspeed reduction
then a "mend corpse" for his W, a low cd, small heal, that heals more if the target is hit/ in combat
then a summon ability for his E, maybe summon 2 skeletons and send them down the lane, something im not sure
his trait would be something like
"when you die, your next respawn is reduced by 25% and you instead revive as a lich"
as a lich all of his abilities would be similar, but altered, more suited towards dealing damage
his Q would be long cooldown, very high damage with a small slow (frost nova)
his W would turn into frost armor, giving a small amount of armor (maybe 10 baseline 15-20 with talents?) and a slow on attacks
his E would be dark ritual, dealing a small amount of damage to an ally hero to restore kts mana (this damage wouldnt be able to kill them only reduce them to 1hp)
for his ultimates I think they should always be
death and decay, an aoe anti tank zoning tool that also damages buildings
and maybe a summon 2 strong units, abominations in necromancer form with a slow and high hp and nerubians with high damage in lich form
they should really go big with kt, hes like the most expected hero since beta

>>180512365
Stupid mechanic. I don't want to play as a cultist, I want to play Kel'thuzad.

How come nobody takes Show of Force on Alarak? Its damage scales with levels so it adds more damage than a 2/3rds completed Q quest from level 7+, plus the damage bonus is available immediately instead of requiring you to complete a quest. Only downside is that you don't get the bonus damage if you just used lightning to poke and don't have it available for your combo.

>>180512445
He started off as the baddest, strongest cultist anon, and he does a significant lot as one. It should be represented in his kit

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>>180512539
>playing alarak
>not kerrigan

>>180512698
>anime poster
>kerrigan

pottery

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>>180512774
>not posting an argument

It seems to me Cassia is worth having simply for the fact that like no other assassins have blinds.

>>180512594
They envisioned something similar with Ragnaros where you would summon in Ragnaros as Majordomo Executus as like an Ultimate ability, but it felt stupid because the majority of the game you weren't playing the guy you picked.

They also tried Ragnaros as a core replacement hero and you controlled a little Son of Flame elemental but that also felt dumb because you only every saw Rag when you were losing which was lame.

Ultimately whatever kit he has will not make him the "afterthought" of his design. "Going big" doesn't mean remove the guy you chose to play for over half the match, it means making the guy you picked fun to play and flavorful to his character, which isn't two forms but just Kel'thuzad the lich.

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>>180512774
alarak is more anime than kerrigan though

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>>180512859
>unironically playing no ult hero

>>180512890
anon
youre not playing as random cultist n° 46 trying to summon kelthuzad
youre playing as him
having two forms WOULD be the most flavorful

>>180513183
Did they do something to electric volleyball?

>>180513209
not having two forms and a revive/ change after death mechanic would be the same as having graymane with just a worgen form
sure it wouldnt break the character but it subtracts a lot

Anub rework when

>>180507751
>>180507902
Diamond 3 is highest you can get. QM and HL have seperate MMRs but it uses your QM MMR to start you off in HL and if you win a couple of your first placement matches and had a decent QM MMR you should be getting diamond

>>180509873
What is it with dotafags and being completely disingenuous to defend their game?
>one spell doesn't use 2/3 of your mana
>you actually regen mana at a slow but significant rate
>"literally a meaningless resource"
Also, snowballing bloodstone users would like a word with you.

>>180513695
So winning 70% of QM helped I guess

>>180513809
S1/S2 LoL did it right, you could clear 3-4 waves with your spells if you wanted to and that was about right restriction.

>>180513895
>70%
QM is forced 50 friend. I think unranked is too.

>>180513809
>Also, snowballing bloodstone users would like a word with you.
sacrifice would also be a useless ability on a lich who for some reason went bloodstone. he would have no reason to cast it.

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>>180514024
I mean my winrate dropped a little by now but you are spewing bullshit. What forced 50? Where?

>>180514024
its forced in the meaning that after winning more than 50% you'll start to get teams with significant less mmr than your enemy
You can still win those games, specially if you have a friend to queue with and carry games
I have 62% winrate in qm and he has 75% (helps that hes lvl 100 and 90% of his games are played with me)

>>180514295
>Barely 100 games
Give it time hombre, give it time

>>180514434
>186
>barely 100
>implying
>moving goalposts

>>180514295
>all type
That includes stupid shit like AI and brawl, change to quick match.

>>180514295
if a matchmaking system is working properly it will try to put you against evenly-skilled opponents, aka ones you have a 50% chance to beat

retards who think they are much higher skill than they actually are see their 50% winrate and think "wait but i'm actually a videogames god, im way better than my opponents, i must be losing all these games because of bad teammates", and then usually from there they jump to some kind of jewish conspiracy to load their team with bad players in order to keep their winrate down

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>>180514295
>186
Damned smurfs i swear

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>>180514483
>>180514295
>less than 500 games
>durrrrr da gaem es facil i havv 60% winrate

>genji is picked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1wcuoxs4mU

>>180514483
Still not that many games

>>180514589
>conspiracy to load their team with bad players in order to keep their winrate down
>implying that isn't exactly how they keep your winrate at 50

>>180514818
the people who spread this myth tend to be arrogant or bad at self-reflection
they notice their terrible bronze teammates playing like bronzies but they somehow fail to notice or purposefully ignore the fact that they are playing just as badly

>>180514726
>>180514692
>>180514627
It is my main account, I just played league before at hit ceiling at d1 then got bored of it.

>durrrrr da gaem es facil i havv 60% winrate
I have completely no idea what are you trying to imply here friend, would you try using english this time?

>>180514935
here is translation to english for u senpai
>durr the game is easy i have 60% winrate

>>180514932
Yeah I'm sure all those one sided games that happen constantly are just you being bad instead of your team being much worse than the enemy team

>>180515072
>>180514692
Thank you

I never said it easy, all I said that forced 50% isn't there. Just standard matchmaking. That said I miss thing like lasthitting or being able to snowball yourself ahead of others.

>>180515334
dude shut the fuck up
dont even post here
go back and play +2k games then come back

>>180515192
i never said your team wasn't terrible
but the enemy team is also fulla retards
games at anything other than the very highest levels are decided by which team fucks up MORE

>>180515334
Last hitting was the worst
>>180515378
>Autism

>>180509003
why does nova look fine but widowmaker nova looks fugly

>>180515431
>implying the team that fucks up more doesn't decide games on every level

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>>180515378

>>180515468
widowmaker's model was designed for a game that could afford more than 5 polygons for her face i guess

widowmaker's outfit looks like shit in both games though
the only decent widowmaker skin is the one you got by preordering OW

>>180515334
>snowball ahead of others

you can but a lot of people don't know how to capitalize on advantages. Like they'll wipe the enemy team and go durr lets get boss or dick around getting skulls when they should be getting camps

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>>180515646
nah

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dreadlord when?

>>180515660
I meant snowballing by yourself, like being 2 or 3 levels ahead of everybody else in the game including your team.

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I want to kill myself for going along with this idea.

>>180515868
post your ideas for his kit
also who should they use
they have too many great dreadlords, with possibly different kits
balnazzar, malganis, tichondrius, varimathras all different enough and notable enough

>>180515876
the closest you can get is probably getting a metric shitton of sadism as Alarak and then nuking people with your Q

>>180515868
dreadlord has been in from launch
frostbolt build is pretty good

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I get a lot of stuttering in-game, usually whenever theres a quest-complete notification or an objective notification.

I monitored my CPU while playing and it wasn't changing. Does anyone else have or had this kind of problem?

Is it just blizzard being incompetent as usual?

Jesus Christ what happened to /sc2g/?

>>180516052
Yeah, having 170% sadism is fun

>>180516158
>HAHAHAHA LE FUNNE JAINA IS DREADLORD MEMEE
>UPBOATED
kill yourself faggot

>>180516197
that's just poor optimization, i can hit the fps cap in shit like DOOM but in hots i get drops all the time and i have the settings down to the minimum

>>180516234
the deadest game of them all that only exists to shitpost

>>180516197
it's blizzard
it was happening to me 3 days ago whole day

>>180516296
>>180516350

OK good to know it isn't my pc shitting the bed.

>>180516392
Blizz is good at one thing mechanically, an toaster with a tv plugged into it could run a blizzard game, but a god damn quantum computer couldn't get it to run on high quality consistently.

>>180516735
Can confirm, I run it on my premium potato

post your unique hero ideas ala chogall and abathur

>>180510862
Get gud a few really good heroes and take advantage of the fact that if youre actually not shite then the other team has 5 people worse than you. Pick out of position nubs and laugh your way through the ranks.

Greymane/arthas worked for me.

O also dont fill, half the time at that rank healers dont even fuckin heal you unless theyre playing brightwing and have no choice but to do so. Just pick what youre good with and stomp them

>>180516234
The couldn't deal with being more dead than hots, a game so dead they're having to invent new words just to describe how dead it is.

>>180516247
HER HEART IS A VOID, AND WE HAVE FILLED IT

honestly hope that's true, I want cute Jaina back. Imagine if she's in stasis at the end of the next mythic

>>180517616
her character has progressed
she went from being a pacifist, muh bgc, innocent chick to racist genocidal archmage

>>180516872
>The dragon aspects
>At level 1 you get a triple talent choice
>Each one lets you choose one of the five original dragon aspects letting you control three of the five in total
>Each dragon then is moved and takes over a fort( on a two lanes map the one immediately becomes a unit)
>In fort form each dragon has one ability that has range comparable to rag's molten core but but with only slightly slightly better than numbers
>The positions of the dragons can be changed around but this renders the switch ones silenced for some time
>When a fort is destroyed the dragons become units like the lost vikings with weaker forms of their abilities and a skill shot range
>Level ten is a choice between
>Hoard of the aspects, lose some ability power but gain the ability to take over keeps and get a global range
>Flight of the aspects, In unit form the dragons can gain their true form for a short time, becoming immobile but gaining slightly buffed forms of their fort abilities
>At level twenty they can choose
>New Aspects (Flight of the Aspects exclusive), changing the aspects to their newer incarnations, ie Nafarion becomes Wration, buffing unit damage
>Twilight of the aspects (Hoard of the Aspects exclusive), dragons now take over the Core, lowering cooldowns and turning creep waves to spawn a dracokin that acts like an Azmodan general of hell.

>>180517998
So, they became corrupted? I wonder who was behind this story arc.

>>180517998
Blame the horde for putting an insane person in charge and expecting nothing bad to happen even though they learned their lesson. I don't blame Jaina for it. Sunreaver could have prevented it by telling her before hand since he knew way before the attack but he kept quite making himself looks suspicious. At least she gave people a chance to leave her city and only killed retards who stayed to fight back.

>>180518348
>corrupted
>if you stop being naive young lass/lad and instead face harsh reality you are corrupted
>I wonder who is behind this

what was the biggest 'opponent favored adjustment' you ever got? I just got an 8..

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>tfw Azmo only
>tfw no Azmodunk skin
Featured WHEN?

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>>180518348
Grom killed hundreds of Draenei and he was never corrupted but for some reason once Guldan betrayed him we end up being friends and ignored that he did genocide. Same thing will happen with Slyvanas who will get some sort of redemption despite all the evil shit she has done with her own free will. I hope they bring back this mofo so I can put another cap in that ass.

>>180518969
I love how I have the full azmodunk set mount and banners in all but barely play him.

>>180517998
>one of the most powerful alliance leaders is actually attempting to push for peace
>making female Hitler is a progression
It was a cheap attempt to keep the story going, which should of quite frankly been put out of its misery years ago. To be fair, jainas theme is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard, and that was released the same patch. It evokes her earlier character, though; melancholy tinged with hope. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gMFxQQPqZ04

>>180519067
>grom
>not corrupted
What are you smoking? He was THE first corrupted orc.

>>180519417
I never did play WoW, how did they continue W3's story into a two factions fighting each other story anyway instead of being all the factions that existed before?

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>>180519714

>>180519641
I was taking about Draenor Grom. He doesn't drink the blood but still ends up genociding.

>>180513183
>Enemy butcher
>Nobody picked blinds/stuns
>need assassin
>Literally no blinder assassins

I got her just to help me crawl out of yellow bronze. She makes Butcher sad.

>>180519714
Horde vs Alliance always has the rivalry but every expansion was always about some external faggot coming in to cause trouble so the two team up together to beat them.

EXACTLY like how W3's story went.

>>180519885
>Draenor Grom
We are talking about the same Grom. Be more specific
>WoD grom
In this case Garrosh and Kairozdormu are pointing the directions. If they didn't show who knows what would've happened.

>>180519417
>being racist against green-skins
>wrong
>Literally fel-infused economic refugee retards
>Literally "lets come through this portal and start raping and murdering this place until it's ours"

Greenskins need to go back.

>>180517390
>O also dont fill

well tanks for the advice cause I'm bob the filler

Is there any reason to take Furnace over Lamb?

>>180520517
Nope. It is perma-shit.

>>180520245
I meant WoD Grom don't make mountains out of molehills. Garrosh did stop Grom from drinking but Grom lead his forces nothing was really forcing him to do what he did. Garrosh dying didn't even stop the attacks so I wouldn't say he was the main person behind everything.

>>180520517
If you're goldfarming against beginner AI, maybe.

>>180520517
Most Butcher players suck at timing it so they use lamb despite them still fucking up an easy kill. I usually go furnace to decimate their whole team. So if you suck at timing Lamb if you are decent at timing furnace.

>>180520734
>Your son comes from the future
>With super high-tech weapon blueprints
>Get ignored
I wouldn't say it was all him, but he most certainly did point him in a direction. Who would be stupid enough to stop attacking when you are already balls deep your avarage hots player would.

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>completely dominating the pirate canons map
>turning in all the gold, other team only gets off like 1-2 rounds off at most
>their keeps are all down, we could just push and end it
>teammate decides to go for boss thinking it's safe now
>other team quickly realizes and moves north
>already know how this will end
>they hijack boss and push straight to our core just as our minions are about to kill theirs
>they win
>another boss bid that basically throws game

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>not just doing it yourself

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>>180521156
>Objectives up
>Boss up
>Enemy forts down but core at 100%
>Team decides to rush it with no waves
>Enemy takes objective and boss
>Wins

Unless its low like in this webm it wouldn't really work. I rather take the safe option then the risky one even if it does prolong the game another minute.

>>180521156
Had a couple of games where we could easily win. 4kill and access to the core... Nothing... They go for mine objective instead (even though they already had 65 of them). Repeat the same thing a couple of times. In the end we lose.

>>180520517
pro teams tend to take furnace more
you dont need lamb as much if you have coordinated teammates who can focus their disables i guess

>>180520920
>timing lamb
literally just use it the moment your charge impacts
stun lasts 1s
lamb takes 1s to go off
ez as pie

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>>180507403
>getting the one person too retarded to play Anub'rak on your team

Which assassins are best at mercing?

OK what is the point of Valla's death dealer talent if even at 10 hatred the damage bonus isn't enough to oneshot a ranged creep
do you also need to complete the creed of the hunter quest for it to become actually useful

>>180521941
Every butcher I seen always fucks it up no matter how easy it is to land. Of course its already pretty easy to kill the enemy without lamb so why even use it when you blow them up with furnace during team fights?

>>180522017
off the top of my head, heroes good at killing mercs:
-twinblade varian
-illidan
-butcher if he has stacks
-sonya
-artanis with amateur opponent
-jaina does shitloads of damage but can't tank them so she needs at least 1 friend
plus the 50% of specialists where "specialist" means "siege hero" instead of "gimmick hero"

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>>180507403

Is there any better feeling /hotsg/?

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Is there anything more fucking tilting than dying to a Sgt. Hammer who never budges out of siege mode, and then losing the fucking game because she cheeses all your keeps with her global ult and your own team can't finish the game quickly enough

>>180522335
Samuro is pretty good since its only thing he excels at.

>>180522395
Having that hammer in your team and he doesn't move when butcher charges his ass and starts pounding it

what are you supposed to pick when the other team goes for the auriel/guldan meme

>3 losses in a row thanks to feeding idiots
Is it weekend hots already?

what the fuck

>>180522751
Anub'arak, cocoon the auriel and rape guldan

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>Play TLV
>>>>>SAMURO ON TEAM
>Wont group up
>Lanes with Baleog
>Tell him in 3 different languages to group up
>Does not EVER
>Lose

>>180522362
They must be bitter

>Censoring
Bro, I know that's nova.

>>180522603
>hammer
>his

>Teammate picks Raynor

for what purpose

>>180523396
Peel.
Decent damage against immortal.
Annoying to deal with for teams that don't draft burst.
Makes your other AA heroes better.

>>180518685
Highest i got was like 87. Ez 300 points.
That was last season in TL though before they made Q times last forever by not janking the matchmaker

>>180508867
He's coming at blizzcon. ...r...right guys?

>>180518969
That many games with that hero. I like azmo but goddamn. Do you at least go laser meme build sometimes to switch it up

Remove Black Heart Bay from QM.

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whats a proper way to Build Malth he feels weird at times

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How the absolute fucking Christ is this fair and balanced?

>>180509107
>never ever because of extreme kit overlap with already existing heroes.
Never understood why anyone gives this as a reason that matters.

Who gives a single fuck if Widowmaker re-uses a couple abilities that are already in the game. Who gives a single fuck if a Tauren shaman uses a couple same abilities that Rehgar has if it's a new character people want in the game? SO THE FUCK WHAT.

>>180528836
Because nobody fucking wants Nova on their team. Why release a SECOND Nova when the first one isn't a functional character outside of Gold

>>180509873
>and denies dont exist
Absolute shit mechanic that shouldn't have ever been in WCIII in the first place.

>>180510319
She's an ugly, uninspired version of Lulu from League, btw.

>>180528943
That's more to do with Stealth being a broken, poorly designed game mechanic, and it doesn't address the central point that it doesn't matter if new characters reuse an ability already in the game.

>>180528836
>Who gives a single fuck if Widowmaker re-uses a couple abilities that are already in the game

people that want new heroes to bring new playstyles instead of playing almost exactly the same as an already existing character?

Unless Widowmaker was drastically changed to the point where she's no longer Widowmaker and there's no point in even calling herthatshe'd just be like Nova, a sniper with shit waveclear

>>180529185
Windowmaker isn't Nova. Fans of the character want her in the game. There's nothing wrong with re-using a mechanic. You realize each hero isn't just a clump of game mechanics, right? That they have people who have been fans of them for years and really want to see them in the game just for that reason?

>>180529036
nothing alike, you're thinking of brightwing

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They can add Widowmaker if they give her some version of Jhin's ultimate complete with the musical sting

>>180529325
>nothing alike
Very much the same, with some similar abilities too. Lulu succeeds in being cute, while Lili is an ugly rat beast, though. Blizzard dropped the ball on that one.
>nothing alike
lol

You can give widow a hook for mobility, a mine and for sniping give her like a channeled auto attack or something like siege mode for hammer where she has increased damage and range
One ult reveals everyone on the map and the other fuck if i know
there lads, done

>>180529310
If you want to see Widowmaker in the game and that's all you care about there is literally, actually a skin that does that. There. You now can see Widowmaker in hots

Like people really fucking want Maiev in the game but they're not going to be very satisfied if she played extremely similarly to Zeratul to the point that they might as well be the same character

what are the chances of the next hero being a starcraft support and why is it 100%

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>>180510319
>12 year old panda
>casual lewdness

>>180529310
>That they have people who have been fans of them for years and really want to see them in the game just for that reason?
yes but those people are dumb fags
same for the people who play a particular character in the game because they like the lore

>>180529524
They'll be very satisfied because the character they're a fan of is in the game, which they (again) see as a character, and not a clump of game mechanics strewn together. If Maiev played similar to Zeratul so the fuck what. I don't give a fuck about Zeratul, and therefore have no interest in playing him, but I'd play Maiev.

>>180529482
go back to katawa shoujo threads you waifu faggot

>>180529634
>literally autism-spectrum subhumans like this actually exist
>they actually see characters in a game about characters fighting each other as nothing more than 'kits' of game mechanics strewn together whose sole purpose is to exploit to an advantage against their opponent's kit of clumped together game mechanics
Robotic failed human need to be weeded out.

>>same for the people who play a particular character in the game because they like the lore
That's literally the best reason to play a character, you fucking autistic subhuman. Holy shit.

>>180529886
>That's literally the best reason to play a character
...in a story-based single-player rpg with a real plot
it's pretty retarded in a completely story-free 0-plot "hero brawler" though

>>180529665
I don't know what a katawa shoujo is, because I'm not an anime-watching manchild, but I also don't care about Lulu or Lili, though I think I was arguing with an actual Lili waifufag just now.

>>180529949
>...in a story-based single-player rpg with a real plot
In any game featuring a character you like, autismo. You're placing an arbitrary barrier based on an arbitrary game genre classification that's utterly irrelevant to the resulting point you're trying to make.

>it's pretty retarded in a completely story-free 0-plot "hero brawler" though
Not even remotely, when you're a fan of that character. I played Warrior in Hearthstone almost exclusively because he was Garrosh, and I will play Garrosh almost exclusively when Blizzard finally releases him for HotS, instead of the Overwatch cancer we've been awash in.

Is sylvanas really that bad?

>6 quick arrows
>25% extra damage
>wraith
>6 quick arrows
>end of extra damage
>another wraith
>6 more quick arrows

It sounds like a lot of burst damage, and she even has an AoE silence on her ult.
When is tyrande + sylvanas deletion becoming a thing?

>>180530483
sylvanas is not that bad no
she does an ok job as a ranged assassin and she helps her team snowball hard by fucking the absolute shit out of enemy buildings whenever they have a slight advantage

the mistake badplayers make is thinking that she should splitpush. where she actually belongs is inside a deathball stunning a fort while 5 heroes all hit it.

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>it's an 1 death a minute Malthael, Kaelthas and Varian episode

I cannot understand what is supposed to be so complicated to make a viable kit for Kel'thuzad.

Just make him like in warcraft 3 with some bonuses from WoW

>Q- Frost nova, some sort of AoE nuke, other option would be frostbolt, targeted spell without cd (?) but with a cast duration
>W- Frost Armor, high cd spell (let's say 12 sec or something) which gives +25 armor and slow on being attacked buff which lasts for 12 seconds (so only 1 can have it permanently but you can upgrade it via talents etc)
E- summon undead, here I have the idea that at some point you will get 3 talents which change which units he will summon and how strong they will be
R1- Death and Decay, big radius AoE dot which holds for 15 sec or something (comparable with Thrall AoE ult but less radius and much more damage), level 20 talent increases damage and radius and reduces cd
R2-Guardians of the Icecrown - summons 2 nerubians who get stronger each time they attack a hero, also each attack they add 1 second to their lifetime, at level 20 you get the talent to make them even stronger and get 4 instead of 2

other 2 level 20 talents should be

>Mind control, active on button 1, takes control for 3 (?) seconds over enemy giving him +100% attack damage, this enemy automatically attacks random enemy units/heroes and cannot be controlled, Kel can still act as he wishes (unlike Sylvanas)
>Chain Frost - Frost Nova/Frostbolt attacks every enemy in the radius

easy

>its a "lose the game because a quick match player with 200 games played is placed into diamond 3" episode

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I lost the game for my team by playing badly. They didn't even say anything. I'm just going to watch movies for the rest of the night.

>>180531247
>fucks up once
>instead of pushing through and doing better, he bails
Bet you post on /r9k/ while you watch your pokemon movie you sissy faggot.

>>180531062
>unironically caring about Boring Mode
>wanting to waste 5 minutes before every match being bored by Draft shit which shouldn't be in the game at all anyway

>>180531001
You keep MOBA games alive by slowly dripping in the content or adding bunch of cosmetics in perpetuum

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pay attention to this post right now >>180529579

>look at my team's morales
>she's healing minions

Is D.va a shit hero or not? She seemed to get a lukewarm reception on release but I bought her a few weeks ago and she's my favorite solo tank so far. Dazer Zone + body blocking offers so much control over fights. People generally seem to ignore pro moves but it's amazing for body blocking while firing at someone.

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>>180531436
That's a curiously specific wrong guess. I changed my mind I'm just going to play nier instead.

>>180532036

Wait what? You can do this? Does it work with bosses and mercs too?

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>>180532184
Good idea, Nier is a nice relaxing game

>>180530483
Sylvanas isn't bad at all, in the early game anyway.
Her power quickly falls off as the game goes on, but if played right and with a team that takes advantage of her trait, by the end game you have such a level lead that she can afford to split push with merc queen while your team pushes hard elsewhere, guaranteeing at least one if not two keeps, or a shit ton of turn ins if pirate map.

>>180532479
pay attention to this post right now>>180532000

>>180532294
Morales can heal everything but monsters and bosses. Usually if a morales is forced to solo lane, as terrible as that is, she'll heal a merc or minion with the radiating beam talent to help push a wave.

As a side note: healers who can take healing totem can heal monsters, such as if you throw a healing totem in the middle of the zerg wave on braxis.

>>180531062
>be GM
>get matched with a first time ranked player in placements
>he instalocks nova

what did blizzard mean by this?

Is Xul actually viable? What about Hammer? Why are specialists rarely picked in pro games (with the obvious exception of Medivh and Abathur)?

>>180533201

That you have already beaten the game and started from the start again

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where do they hire such morons? holy fuck

>>180533860
they didnt hire you though?

>>180533451
Xul is quite good since he has % hp talents for his swing thingie and the shield, you basically play him as a warrior with good dots.
Hammer can be a big pain due to range with some comps but standing still makes you horribly vulnerable to cc and quite terrible in mobile engagements.
>>180533860
Did you go full autismo mode in qm?

>>180533860
hots = overwatch

>wanna play samuro
>always have last pick
>always have to pick support
>first pick is almost always sylvanas

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>>180534494
>wanna play samuro
you deserve every sylvanas first pick

>>180534494
>not liking to pick support

What's wrong with picking Uther and beating the shit out of your enemies with your holy hammer?

>>180535236
because when I play support my team is dumb and throws the game like an Arthas just threw on hanamura by, instead of finishing TF and pushing a fort, leaving and pushing in a 1 damage payload despite us winning a TF, so in the end we lost the TF and we lost the game.

>qm
>2 frontline with butcher/leoric, a zag, me as lunara and monk, no supports on either team
>excited to finally have a team where I can hide behind beef after 2 games with only assassins
>enemy has valeera so i take sight on poison talent, feeling overall very positive on how this match will go
>Valeera has non-revealable stealth and keeps blowing me up
>leoric goes afk and gets called out by zag, so he starts hearthstoning forever
>butcher gets mad and says he will only push towers, on towers of doom
>he didn't even finish meat quest by the time the game ended, with level 14
>zag descends into madness and disconnects
>just me and a silent monk trying to do anything at all, which was mostly stopping sappers while the enemy collected tributes

Does this shit happen in ranked? I haven't tried it yet do to my inexperience, but this was absolutely miserable.

>>180535356
>implying when you pick dps or tank other teammates won't be able to throw it

bruh

>>180534804
>being a fag who only plays the current meta

>>180535591
>butcher frontline
>leoric frontline
>monk
>no supports

probably in bronze league, which is where you'd end up

>>180535747
at least when I pick tank I can decide when to engage and when I pick DPS I can pick off people

How to play Other? Can I just build into Q?

>>180536380
Well, I meant that they can atleast be infront of me instead of trying to hide behind an illidan like the last few games. I mistyped when I said no supports, since I couldn't remember the 5th guy on our team when I started typing that. Mostly because he was completely silent while everyone else was yelling. You take what you can get I guess.

>>180514024
>>180513895
>>180513695
>>180507902
ur HL placement games almost doesn't matter (few tiers at max)
it's almost entirely dependant on your QM MMR
I tested by 5 man queueing and winning 15 games in a row on a new account, leveling COOP vs AI and then going 6 wins 4 loss getting Dia 3

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WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH HEALERS IN THIS GAME
WHY THE FUCK DID THEY NERF MALFURION
HEALERS ARE FUCKING GARBAGE AFTER 2.0 AND THEY MADE IT WORSE

>Uther
literally the only good healer
>Malfurion
nerfed, average
>Aurel
needs Valla to properly function
>Morales
needs 2 frontline and still get countered
>Lili
meme

TASSADAR IS SO FUCKING BROKEN HE CAN SIEGE, SOLO TANK LANE, DPS, BRING AS MUCH DAMAGE MITIGATION AS A HEALER, HAVE S TIER UTILITY

WHAT THE FUCK

>>180536982
Blizzard is clearly unsure of what they want supports to be.

all fucking day people have been first picking Sylvanas on all maps, what the fuck is this meme

>>180536982
>needs valla to function
lol

>>180537630
but it's true
or at least valla tier autoclicker or she's only malfurion tier
with valla she's uther tier

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Just why motherfucking trash can get into D3 after placements when they were platinum shit is beyond my brain. After reset ive to play with garbage 3 tiers above me who first pick nova and die 9 times in 10 minutes. How much fucking time do I have to wait until all of them drop where they belong

>>180537683
>get 7th
>talent to make allies take damage to get healing
>throw it on a tank
>don't be a bitch with your abilities
dead damage get heals yo

>>180537746
ye but not as retarded as losing the game early on because aurel keeps valla full life every 3 sec during lanephase

tfw laned against valla aurel guldan

tfw no omniscience

>>180537028
They know they hate supports having any sort of AA presence.

Tyrande
Kharazim
Li Li
etc.

Any support with a potentially viable damage build gets shat on.

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>>180537909
>>180537028
>>180536982
>nerf supports so they aren't based on healing
>you now need two supports

:tttthinkning:

>>180537909
I've been getting blown the fuck out by kharazim a lot lately, am I just bad?

>dude pre-picks nova
>tell him not to pick her
>he picks her
>is basically useless all game

why do retards insist on picking nova ?

>>180538016
he's good with another support, and good with comps where there's constant fights (His heal is actually higher than most healers if you can 3~4 heal with W)

His earth stance is pretty fucking broken too, but he's just not 1heal material

>>180538016
Kharazim is like an Overwatch hero where he is strong when the enemy team has no fucking way to deal with him (e.g. cc, stuns).

If Kharazim has no worries about staying safely near the fight or punching people, he's going to rock.

Dunno if you are outright bad but your team has a drafting issue.

>>180538389
>drafting issue.
well it's quickplay, so
but alright, thanks

>>180538445
Like I said, couldn't really say if I could blame you.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Thoughts on Sgt.Hammer?

I thought he was just shit but after watching some pro players I think he's a stronger version of Raynor

I think the biggest secret is just completely not using E (only when you siege maybe), and then he becomes a stronger version of Raynor

>Play against Murky
>We shit on enemy team
>Lategame we go to get shrine
>Murky hiding in fog with fish thing
>we all step on it
>instant 60% health gone from everyone
>enemy team initiate
>oh shit oh shit
>we all die
>murky does infinite channel murloc thing
>core is kill

huh

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HOW CAN YOU KILL THAT WHICH HAS NO LIFE?

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@180539161
>this post

>>180539161
She's a powerful late game DPS who's very good at most objectives. Her lack of mobility means she can be countered though.

>Unboxed Murky announcer

That legitimately feels like a slap in the face. This thing only exists so you don't even get a maybe neat looking horse. It's the fillerest of the filler content. Who would willingly ever use this voicepack? It's somebody pretending to be a murloc who wears a diaper that it shits in regularly. It's just baby noises. Who said this is acceptable to add to the game? Honestly.

>>180539161
Chromie shits on Hammer

>>180521523
Same. More so on Sky temple. Hollows, Mines and Shrines I get the idea to just push core but Sky temple and Bay can go tits up really bad if you ignore obj

>>180539502
It just enables you to get 400 shards next time you get stiffed with it. Unless you're into having a collection of characters who announce for themselves.

>>180539458
>>180539530
so basically better version of raynor then right?
raynor has less dps, less range, less survivability

anyone getting furious at the game to the point of breaking shit ?

I smashed like 4 keyboards in half since the season started

>>180539679
>quit overwatch cuz of gooks flaming shit in NA servers
>just had a gook flame in his gookshit language because somoene took the wrong lvl 4 trait

welp, guess I'm not playing tihs as well
I thought this game was ded in Korea?

>>180539740
I don't know but I'm ready to gas the jews

>>180539658
Raynor has way more survivability and mobility to boot. As to range, Hammer only wins while sieged, a dangerous proposition.
Consider Raynor to be a middle ground between Valla and Hammer, really. Valla is brutal but short ranged, Hammer is strong but long ranged, Raynor is heavy hitting but more of a skirmisher than either.

>>180539793
oh I based it because I see valla and hammer, but never raynor in GM games

>>180539971
That's because grandmasters don't need versatility, they need someone to slam their niche and slam it hard.
Raynor's more of a solo queue kinda guy when you can't expect your hammer to get the cover she needs.

>>180540017
but in that same regards why is tassadar so good? is he just so overtuned that he's good at everything?

>>180540125
>so good
where?

>Muradin afk for 2 mins
>sonya AFK until dropped for inactivity
>then Muradin goes bot and feeds like a pig against Sylvanas (?????)
>Sonya logs back and calls group noobs
>Murradin flames the healer and assasins for low damage

I just want to get out of gold 5

why can't I get a normal fucking group

>>180536982
Likely they are trying to speed up the meta.
Most 25+ minute games have healer supports. Hell in 1.0 if you had healers on the map for both teams that game was lasting 45 minutes give or take. They are aggressively trying to find ways to speed up the matches

>>180540306
Haven't you heard about the best strategy in the game where you lose the game
People use it all the time.

>>180540306
Tassadar is one of highest winrate/banrate after this now
Cuz now 1 heal is almost impossible except Uther or Valla+Aurel, you need to have Heal+support
Tassadar just shits on everything while doing high dps and utility

>>180540915
Why care about speed of the matches?

>>180540915
They're relativating the strength of supports. Prior to armor the average warrior healthpool was higher, so heals had to be higher to enable them to do their thing. This also meant squishies had super volatile healthbars and strong heals lengthened games as blowing them up was more difficult. Now the average healthpool has been lowered, and the average healing could be reduced too to make heals less strong but keep tanks capable of doing their thing.
This overall makes teamfights and rounds shorter, which isn't a bad thing.

>>180541281
>play a game
>start losing 5/10 minutes
>no comeback
>the next 20 or so minutes is just how bad you will lose
>match is over and you have loss close to an hour of your time in one game
To reach rank game or just earn a good amount of loot you'll have to play close to 100 hours just to reach lol 60ish

How fun does that sound to someone with a somewhat active life? That's why 1.0 was dying so bad, the time sink required to get anywhere in the game was maddening

second time this happens to me:

>everyone picks
>2 picks left
>need at least a tank
>the last two pick the shit they had pre-picked and ignore the needs of the team

why does this keep happening to me

>>180541763
That's why i prefer to be last pick nowadays, i can just pick whatever's needed and if everything's taken care off already i can maybe snatch a quality counterpick
Seriously picking first in this game is pretty meh

>Estimated time: 90s
>Elapsed time: 664s
could this game be ANY deader?

Why do kharazims go iron fist? clarity is so much better but even pros take iron fist wtf
The cdr makes you heal more, have more mana so you heal even more and do more damage because cdr

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You address the warmatron /hotsg/, speak quickly.

>>180541815
first/second pick sucks for so many reasons. The biggest being you get to watch the enemy team build around you so your character will likely be the weakest link in the chain.

>>180543196
you can't build around varian

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>>180543339
>Varian
>not Anub

today i discovered that cleanse is not an actual cleanse
people can still die from poison

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>tassadar prismatic link with the lv1 basic attack talent and 90% lifesteal talent
WHATA FUCK MAN xD

Was there a time when Zarya didn't feel like trash to play? Trying to level them up is annoying.

>>180520920
>decimate
>meaning 1 in 10 killed
it's time to stop

>>180543974
>Tassadar autoattacking Genji shield
>same pic you posted

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>>180543974
>Tassadar with basic attack talent, bouncing attack and oracle % damage bonus

>Malfurion picks damage talents for all his talents
>We say we are gonna report him
>End game
>Valla did 70k
>Malfurion did 100k

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>180544694
>being this new

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>>180544745
umm??

>>180539161
>he

>>180529579
Selendis incoming?

>>180543952
There's three abilities that remove absolutely all on-going effects. Tracer's Recall, Samuro's Mirror Image, and Alarak's Last Laugh.

>>180528047
Q talents, black harvest, and Tourment Souls

>>180545303
You forgot about Lunara 20 talent and Mirror Image doesn't remove poison from the main Samuro.

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>>180545334
Why is Tormented souls considered inferior to Last Rites?

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>>180545721
>inferior
Superior my bad.

>>180545892
Tormented Souls gives Mathael survivability in combat and can't be ducked like Last Rites

>>180545892
Because it solves his main problems
>armor
>spread trait to entire team
>means of engage
>because of kit youre basically near immortal for 8-10 seconds

whereas last rites is a meme execute that takes 12 takedowns with the ability to be good and is easily countered.

>>180540915
Brah, the last time games lasted that long was before the catapult changes.

>>180544694
Welcome to the malfurion rework
Instead of picking generic talents you now pick dps talents
Because this is the authentic restoration druid experience apparently

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>play rank
>infernal shrines
>pick murky
>we get the punisher every time short of the very last one thanks to me and Kal
>we lose
Why? Because Morals Valla and Arthas would keep following me over and over again rather than pushing other lanes, it was driving me nuts, I didn't clear any forts till the last 5 minutes because they kept following me bring in the enemy forces (even when the Punisher was up, only Kal went with the Punisher) and Morals kept prioritizing heals on me over Arthas or our two assassin's.
I see why people get nasty in this game, I don't care about my rank but it's rather insane how bad people will play.

>>180546817
>wowfags

cant wait for prices to go down so i can go alarak angery cloud

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>>180542859
Why is your ass so underwhelming?

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>>180546817
>authentic resto drood
>wasnt even around when furries were dominating the world
>>180547150
EXTRA THICC
Is Black Adam a generic Arab?

>>180546817
He was never really a restoration druid, he just had regrowth and healed a lot. Now he actually uses the balance spells in his kit which better reflects his fantasy

>>180548149
>better reflects his fantasy
I still can't just afk in base having some bitch ride my gnarly rootcock while dreaming about dragon puss without getting kicked and reported rather than applauded and commended, so no. It's not close at all.

Taste of blood > sieging wrath

>>180548915
Depends

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>you're the only constant
>50/50 is a meme
>you're where you belong
>focus on what you can improve, not what your teammates are doing wrong
hmmmm

comma autism

>>180548915
Taste for Blood just means you'll fuck off for 20 minutes to get stacked up then hope your damage will be enough to come back from the deficit that you've dug for your team the early game.

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>>180549153
>tfw playing only murky and viking in HL

anyone know that feel of having everyone tell you to kys everygame
:smug:

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>>180549624
Dude, I love people playing TLV in HL. Let me death ball, for the love of god. I will gleefully browbeat the other three into my havoc festival.

>>180548915
For a good azmo, sure. I've seen games where an azmo with taste for blood manages to get 200+ damage before level 10 and then just enables steamrolling from there.

But that requires the azmo knows how to stack in at least two lanes simultaneous, his team knows to help him build his stacks, and his team understands that helping build stacks means not hard pushing the lane for the first 5 minutes of the game.

>>180545257
no, that'd be stu-pid

Anyone knows how expensive tracer and tychus skins will be (the summer ones)?

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