/khg/ Kingdom Hearts General

>>180264792
"delete this" anon must be sleeping

>>180264659
The timeline is as such

χ[chi] and Back Cover happen concurrently.
Unchained χ and the opening of Union χ[Cross] happen concurrently
Union χ[Cross] is the real-world developments after χ[chi]. Unchained χ is the dream Player experiences after the ending of χ[chi].

χ[chi] doesn't take place within the Book of Prophecy, but the Disney worlds are projected from the Book, similar to the power used to create Fragments (cards/medals).

The Book of Prophecy is written by the Master using his eye which he implants in No Name and gives to Luxu to carry on into the future.

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man this kino dlc really changes the whole feel

>>180265009
Fucking hell. Only Nomura could make a mobage so needlessly convoluted.

>>180266093
And that's not getting into the meta as fuck storyline about obsession with power and getting how we've all slowly become obsessed with getting the best medals and becoming absurdly strong.

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>>180267209

Is there any particular fucking reason why WE STILL DON'T KNOW ALL THE NEW UNION BOSSES?

HOLY SHIT

>>180267874
Gotta drag this cash cow out as long as possible.

>>180267874
Because Square enix isnt really sure were they are going with this plot

>>180268087
I think you meant Nomura. I'm almost certain he just makes this shit up as he goes along.

>>180268829
>>180268087
Ventus being there = time travel/Ventus being very important and not some random kid Xehanort knew

why even bother with the rest of the union bosses?

>>180269137
I'm guessing Ven is Nomura's new fuccboi? Poor Roxas.

Is Aqua commonly accepted as the best character?

>>180270691
Only in delusional waifufag heads.

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I always get lucky with these medals...(1/2)

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>>180271254
But then meh on these

>>180271631
F

Can anyone give me advice on proud quest 80? I can't use any special attacks from my better medals because of the whole "tier 3 or below" requirement. I also can't just nova rush the target because there is at least one enemy standing in my way who i can't take down in one turn thanks to my shit medals.

just when i thought ffruitball was the last FUCKING thing i had to do, now i gotta break urns with hercules hur dur. FUCK. THIS. GAME.

>>180273781
What? That's the easiest thing in the game to do though.

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Wow, my character can talk

>>180275043
Indeed. They don't talk much but they do again later.

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>>180265009
>>180266093
The problem is how information is revealed.
For example, the two exclusive epilogue scenes of χ[chi], Awakening and Dark Footsteps, which begin with the phrase "Unchained 0[Zero]" are actually further down in the timeline.
In this scenes the player wakes up in Enchanted Dominion, seemingly remembering the end of the Keyblade War. This also happens in Union χ[Cross], but were not at this point yet.
There is also the real Maleficent in the scene, which hasn't appeared in Union χ[Cross] yet.

Then there are the Union χ[Cross] scenes that take directly part after the Keyblade War of χ[chi], when the new Union Leaders gather and there are scenes that happen during χ[chi] like when Ephemer visits Ava or there are scenes that actually happen during χ Back Cover (which comes first in the timeline), like the continuation of the "Case of Ava", where the MoM tells her five of th Dandelions will become new Union leaders and one of them (the "red circled") will get the Book of Prophecies.

I think it would be benefical to create an official timeline of the x-series and sort the events in the order they happen, starting with the Master of Masters and ending with Luxu on the Keyblade Graveyard during this scene at the beginning of 0.2 (which probably really happens at the same time as this game). But I'm not sure what the best format for such an undertaking would be.

>>180275225
Seriously? I want to see another conversation from my character

>>180274551
i did not realize how much fucking shit they have in this game. and then i have to get every command for every character. what a fucking pain.

>>180275572
they will tell an union leader to eat shit later

>>180275687
Yeah BbS is an absolute repetitive bitch for getting the Reports done for everyone. Only CoM comes close to its tediousness.

>>180275539
It also doesn't help that they made an entire canon game exclusive to Japan only, and then shut it down.

>>180275785
doing the commands should be easy though right? i just gotta look at a guide. and also how do i redo the final episode and secret episode, because i never even beat the secret one but now that i have everything with aqua i would rather redo them

>>180276320
Yeah just look up a guide for them, there's no point in spending even more time trying to figure them out yourself.

>and also how do i redo the final episode and secret episode
You should have a separate save file. Load that up. Or, beat the final story boss of the game again and save a new file when it tells you to after the credits.

>>180275942
I know it sucks, even more so since the browser game still felt more like a real KH game. Castle of Dreams and Enchanted Dominion are just two very long corridors because there is still no free exploration on mobile.

Anyway, at least there are the flashbacks where all these exclusive scenes might be shown and all bosses might be fought eventually.

>>180276828
is there any list that lists commands in order for each character? like this is fucking annoying to go through.

http://www.finalfantasykingdom.net/bbsmelding.php

>>180277963
http://www.destinyislands.com/bbs/melding/

>>180277963
https://www.khwiki.com/Deck_Command_(KHBBS)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPQ-ekz1NHs

Wonder if we'll see something from 'Fun and Fancy Free'. I'm still waiting for Donald to go nuts.

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>>180278484
why won't it let me combine poison with block to create poison block? they are both maxed. oh my fucking god. and i have to do the command board again to unlock specific shotlocks? fuck my life. it just never ends

oh hey look an app update

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>>180288992

These bears were cute.

Are the characters and dialogue a bit off in Dream Drop Distance or is it just me?

>>180289185
Because you only have 1 block command.
You can't meld a block command if its your last one.

>>180294194
oh. and what do secret gems do? if its what i'm thinking does it mean i can meld two commands to create one of those rare shotlocks with 100% certainty instead of 10?

>>180292954

I just remember DDD barely having a story, with characters occasionally dropping information.

>>180295340
Secret Gems are kinda worthless imo.
They give a random ability and raise the resulting command to max level.
The only rare shotlock you should try to get through melding is Bio Barrage.
Every other shotlock can be gotten from command board or treasure chests. With the sole exception of one of Aqua's shotlocks can only be gotten in the arena shop.

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"One with ties to both the Keyblade and the powers of darkness...
This merits further research."

>>180295981
how do i get those shotlocks from the command board?

>>180296273
Uh. The same way you get anything else from command board.
You move to the space and purchase the panel.

>>180296346
i always thought those were my own commands

>>180296912
Bonus panels man. Bonus panels.

>>180269326
Yeah well Sora is Nomura's self insert

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Damn, Riku was gonna kill Repliku immediately/as soon as he met him.

Although Repliku was talking shit saying how he was gonna get stronger/surpass him and then the next time they fight that Riku would be finished.

>Riku was readily willing to kill himself and didn't hesitate to kill is clone

Heavy stuff.

>>180270691
Kingdom Hearts characters aren't particularly well done so we rate them by how many memes they've involved with.

>>180288992
Just wait until he finds out that Daisy is fucking Goofy
>>180292954
DDD is lazily made game. It's just fucking around in the same worlds twice and getting some exposition at the end of each world.

bought 2.8 new physical for 29€
played 3d before
good or bad deal?

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>Playing through CoM
>Axel says "Commit it to memory."
So, wait, was "Got it memorized?" a KH2 thing?

>>180296249
Not really that special. Hell that description fits Roxas too

>>180298090
It's okay but you shouldn't have bothered. Even with 60fps DDD is still a mediocre game you're better off not replaying. KH0.2 was okay but it's only 2 hours long and Back Cover is an awful movie

>>180298118
Terra and Vanitas too

The black box Luxu carries around contains the body of Kingdom hearts

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>>180298091

No.
In the original GBA CoM, Axel had two catchphrases.

He said, "Commit it to memory." and "Got it memorized?"

"Commit it to memory." was genuinely more sinister and fit his psychopathic tendencies.

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>>180298895
I just got done with Monstro and am now in Halloween Town. I've done all the other places like Wonderland etc.
Man Monstro is a fucking shitshow as far as bosses go.
>Downloaded CoM onto my hacked 3DS
>Circle pad feels great
>But I almost never roll
>Don't like having sleights mapped to L+R
>Could play Re:CoM, but would have to deal with an arguably far more clunky combat system because it was never intended for 3D
How long is this game? I'm like 5 hours in.

>>180298895
Too bad it was always the same line and SENA just translated it two different ways.

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kinda wish there was a fashion hearts in the maingame similiar to khux

>>180299496

It's still canon.

It's funny though since one's a question and one's a statement/command.

>>180300518
>translated work
>canon

That's like saying Sailor Moon's canon name is Serena.

>>180300406
0.2 has fashion hearts

>>180300643
>No swimsuits
>No maid outfits
It's shit

>>180300756
I want to play swimsuit dressup with Aqua!

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>>180300636

Kingdom Hearts is a Disney game Anon.
The official English version of KH games and media is canon.

>>180266093
Part of it is because the browser game was never localized.

UX needs to recap the original game for all the people who couldn't keep up.

>>180267874
Obviously Player is the fifth. And we're still sleeping.

>>180299407
There are 13 floors, but the 12th and 13th take slightly longer due to difficulty

>>180301772
>those mental gymnastics

The original version is the canon version.
Anytime the translated version deviates from the original version it is not canon.
Granted, CoM Axel is basically the only time that ever happens.

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You now realize that Tron overheard the entire conversation between Braig and Young Xehanort.

Not that it really means anything, but it's funny to imagine that Tron knew more about what's going on than the heroes did.

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A paopu fruit?

>>180304967
light? psycho mantis?

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>>180301772
>>180302194
Do either of you have any official sources to back up your beliefs? Because it looks like you're both basing what's canon on nothing but your own assumptions.

For example, is Tarzan canon? Disney lost the license, so according to them, no. But he's in all versions of the game, so yeah?

Is the Sephiroth fight in KH1 canon? The dialogue in KH2 would make you think not, but the conclusion of his and Cloud's story in KH1 leads to their KH2 story.

What about Ursula's death? Or her second death? What's the canon explanation for Aerieth having a different voice in each game?

Do Neoshadows have dicks, and are they currently in your mouths? It's Aqua's canon according to /khg/, so it must apply to your cano , right?

>>180308535
>Because it looks like you're both basing what's canon on nothing but your own assumptions

Its because canon doesn't actually exist.
The only people who give a damn about canon are autists like us.

>>180308535

You're right. We can't tell for sure what's completely canon within the games.

But an official English version for a Disney game (Disney an American whose characters first language is English) should also be canon. It isn't mental gymnastics if it makes sense.

>>180309227
Except the deal was arranged by Disney Japan to make a Japanese game meant to be consumed by Japanese audiences.

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>>180309030
>>180309227
What calm and well informed replies. I take back the Neoshadow bit.

For you, I mean. It still applies to Aqua.

>>180309904
Don't get pretentious. We argue because it keeps the thread bumped

>>180308535

What should really be pondered about when it comes to canon is all the alternate scenes in KH1. It's pretty interesting.

>>180309503

The game is also being consumed by an international audience and the main American Disney company is still in charge. Disney even went out of their way to get the original VA's for the majority of Disney characters who were all speaking English.

>>180310613
What you mean like going to Hollow Bastion before Monstro?
I always assumed canon was Sora doing everything in order and completing all worlds.

>>180310909
So your argument is Disney America threw more money at the game so their version ranks higher than the original in canon?
That's the most retarded thing I've ever read in this general.

>>180310913
>What you mean like going to Hollow Bastion before Monstro?
How is that even possible?

>>180311192
Have Montro swallow you.
Leave.
Go do Hollow Bastion to completion.
Return and finish Monstro.

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Zootopia world y/n?

>>180311345
no
also Terra/ven/aqua were human in disneytown a furrycity without humans.

>>180311345
Yes

LET GO (go.. go.. go..)

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So is the auto mode only for weekend raid bosses?
I was hoping to use it in this week's raid event...

>>180313105
are you stupid? blind?

>>180311345
of course a movie that raked in a cool billion dollars is gonna be in the game but the closest you'll ever get to furry sora is his cub version in pride lands

>>180313253
He is stupid and blind but auto raid sucks ass for this raid boss.
It always targets the main body over the parts and no one has enough AoE damage to kill the fin in one turn. It has like 320 god damn hp bars. It has more hp than the main body i think.

>tfw party members never start their own raid bosses
>they always snipe mine when I'm waiting for parts to regen for max lux

>>180313105
>>180314035
>>180313253
Wait, do people actually try to one-round this shit? I've been doing what I did with the Assault Dragon and just defeat it through sheer belligerence and the power of iKairi giving me unlimited meter. It should be even easier because of the 0 AP going on unless that ended. I haven't played today.

>>180310613

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY474lsp66k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij0G0iezFDU

I am so annoyed that I cannot find the scene where Sora sees possessed Riku backing away from him and quietly says, "You're not Riku."

>>180311090
>Disney America threw more money at the game

They probably did more than just that.
You're also ignoring that they were responsible casting.

>so their version ranks higher than the original in canon?

I never said it was higher than the Japanese version. I said that the English version is also canon.

Also the Final Mix for KH1, which was originally Japan exclusive, was in English.

Ventus's first boss is harder than all the story bosses in KH1 and KH2, what the fuck?

Are BBS bosses this difficult normally?

>>180316105
>Also the Final Mix for KH1, which was originally Japan exclusive, was in English

Means nothing. When it was re-released on PS3 it was Japanese again.
Same with PS4 version.

>You're also ignoring that they were responsible casting

wut? That's what throwing money at it means. The only thing Disney America could do was hire voice actors for english ver.

>>180311620

Yeah but in the world of Zootopia humans don't exist so it would cause a commotion if Sora stayed human.

The characters in Disneytown are also extra cartoony in comparison to the animals in Zootopia, which allows for more shenanigans (aside from being ancient characters with tons of different versions/stories to the point where you can do anything with them).

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;_;

>>180316591
It's really not that hard.

>>180316653
>Means nothing.

If it means nothing, then why would they even bother making the Final Mix in English for Japan in the first place?

>wut? That's what throwing money at it means.

That's implying that they just threw money to get someone else to do everything for them even though American Disney did do some things directly.

>The only thing Disney America could do was hire voice actors for english ver.

Unless we find someone that works under the company on the games who is willing to tell us the details- we don't truly know how these games are made and what American Disney does on them.

They even have Disney Interactive Studios (and used to have Buena Vista ) on most of the games as opposed to just the regular Disney logo, which means they must've done something.

>>180317669
I never died once in either KH 1 or 2 but died multiple times to Treant.

It's a very bad battle if you are impatient.

>>180317784
>If it means nothing, then why would they even bother making the Final Mix in English for Japan in the first place?
Not that I have any real stake in this conversation, but I'd like to interject that it's likely production time that caused that decision to be made.

>>180317784
>why would they even bother making the Final Mix in English for Japan in the first place?
It's just a fun bonus for Japanese players. Like the Heartless recolors. Just something to make it a different experience, more bang for your yen since they were buying ostensibly the same game over again at full MSRP.

Though KHFM only just now got a Theater Mode, IIFM and BbSFM's Theater Modes allow you to view the scenes in both languages.

Does anyone else think that one Moogle is going to a member of the new Organization?

>>180318596
>Golomex is the 13th nort

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>>180318596
>HA! By buying items and equipment all throughout the series you've secretly been bankrolling the Organization this entire time!

>>180318596
what are the chances of completely new members happening?

>>180319169
>fights using Black Copter Fleets

>>180319240
Fiddy Fiddy

>>180319240
I hope so. We know of six so far (Master, Young, Braig, Isa, SoD and Xemnas), and I'm willing to bet Terranort is in there as well, and there's that screencap of a lower Nobody that belongs to Marluxia, so he, Demyx, Luxord and Larxene are not off the table. That still leaves an open twelfth seat and they still need a thirteenths, though I can see Vanitas somehow getting involved.

Honestly I would love it if there was a member that came from completely left field, like a Disney or Final Fantasy villain.

>>180318140
2FM in America doesn't have JP language options in the theater i believe.
I would love to be proven wrong.

>>180319557
i still can't see marluxia happening. i know he might be in the game but.. he was a traitor

>>180319557
My bet is xion

>>180319781
I doubt Xehanort would want him as well, but I'm willing to see if that happens.

>>180319910
Maybe Roxas and Aqua can bond over the fact their final bosses were their best friends?

>>180319557
I thought we killed xemnas in kh2

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>>180317539

>Pooh forgot Sora in KH2

If Sora did remember CoM he'd probably be really sad.

Also Repliku got completely screwed over.

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>>180320647
Oh boy

>>180320981
What

>>180320764
I don't know why, but for some reason the 100 Acre Woods always left me a bit sad whenever I visited there. I think it's because unlike the other Disney worlds, who have people to fight their respective villains, Pooh's world is self-contained and completely separate from things like the Heartless and Xehanort. Maybe that's why I get a bit uneasy whenever something's amiss, like Pooh wanting to say goodbye to himself because all his friends are gone.

Hell, seeing a slice of the 100 Acre Woods in The End of the World left me genuinely sad.

Pooh's book better not be the Book of Prophecies.

>>180321378
OH BOY

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>>180321378
What was the last kh game you played anon

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>>180320764

A sad, small life.

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>>180321519
>>180321646
KH2. why whats up?

>>180322107
Lots of bullshit.

>>180322107
You're five games behind the times

>>180322107
>skip 5 games, don't know what's happening, yet post in the general
I feel like this is a ruse

>>180322657
>yet post in the general
Not that guy, but I still haven't played D3 or 0.2.
I haven't seen the ending to Birth by Sleep either.
I played, beat Terra's story, and got to the room before the final boss in both Ven and Aqua's.
Then I stopped playing for a couple months and have no idea how to play the game anymore but I don't want to go through the entire game again.
All I know is nobody wins and everyone is fucked over.

>>180323226
You should probably finish BbS.
And DDD is critical for setting up KHIII.
0.2 not so much, but it is effectively the prologue stage of KHIII.

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>>180321434
>I think it's because unlike the other Disney worlds, who have people to fight their respective villains, Pooh's world is self-contained and completely separate from things like the Heartless and Xehanort.

I think I understand.
When it comes to Disney worlds (for people who know a lot/care about Disney) 100 Acre Woods can tug on heartstrings a lot more; since it feels a lot more involved and like you're truly playing in the world instead of passing through it while being occupied with the main plot.

Also I think the more memorable parts of Winnie the Pooh (cartoons/movies) were all a bit sad/bittersweet

“If you live to be a hundred, I want to live to be a hundred minus one day so I never have to live without you.”

Is Zexion B worth using a mickey b on?

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>Playing through KH:CoM (My first time ever playing it)
>Get to 100 Acre Woods
I'm sorry but that was terrible.

>>180319557
WOAH THERE

Braig and Isa show up in the secret movie for Coded, but its definitely Xigbar and Saix that show up at the end the end of DDD

What Im wondering, is the org going to have Braig and Isa AND Xigbar and Saix? With the latter two being brought in via Timetravel?

Did Young Xehanort just re unlock their hearts to make them nobodies again?

It's not made clear

>>180324694
CoM/Days/Coded are all considered lower on peoples list of best KH games because of the god awful retreading

Coded makes up for it more than the others

>>180324094
Maybe, heard he'll come in handy in future proud missions cause hes a Random

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>>180324694
>Playing through KH:CoM

Which one?

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>>180325017
With CoM, I can't tell if I'm fully following the story or not. I'm currently at Neverland at around 8 hours, and the only other world I could have chose was Hollow Bastion. I'm playing it on my 3DS, and while I enjoy the way the circle pad feels, having to press L+R for sleights can be a bit wonky at times, and I barely use my roll.

>>180325096
If I were playing through Re:CoM, I would have said REEE

>>180324906
I think it's fair to believe that Braig is working in the background, and took Isa with him.

He doesn't seem interested in Xehanort's current scheme, even if his Nobody is involved.

>>180325453
>I can't tell if I'm fully following the story or not
I'm not sure what you mean, but your world choices don't matter.

The main story progresses in the same way regardless, because it takes place on the floors between worlds.

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>>180325908
I mean, I know about stuff from KH2, but so far
>Sora, Donald, and Goofy end up at Castle Oblivion
>Get reset to zero because the castle makes you forget everything
>They go to Traverse Town, which isn't actually Traverse Town
>Aerith says to Sora that she isn't real, and how basically none of this is
>Fight Axel, who says that Sora's forgotten forgetting
>This ties in with the Namine stuff with Larxene
>Riku's here now, but with his Heartless outfit again, so I doubt it's actually him
>Sora's memories are now being overwritten it seems
Am I getting all of this right so far?

>>180325453
>I'm playing it on my 3DS

Emulation?
Or did they finally release GBA CoM for the Nintendo store?

>>180326816
Hacked 3DS. Downloaded it via cia and installed it with FBI. Need a link?

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>>180326816
>implying 3ds has gba vc

>>180326531
Yeah that's pretty much how it goes.

CoM's small scope makes the story a lot more character-driven so it's a different vibe from the others where it's like, you beat a world and suddenly new plot happens.

You should be near the end and things will start to come together soon.

>>180326531

You've got it.
Just keep going you'll get more info soon.

Might wanna ignore all the pictures I (mostly me) posted from GBA CoM in this thread.

>>180326897

Nah, thanks pal.
I still own my copy of GBA CoM and I got a little DS I can play it on (I think my Gameboy Advance was killed by my mother, or her children).

>>180326923

I've noticed at least a couple people are actually playing GBA CoM so I was curious.

>>180326932
>>180327060
It's just kinda weird. I'm digging the story, but the gameplay just isn't sticking with me. It's interesting for sure, and I know a lot of people really like it, but I guess it's not really much of my taste.
I will say that I definitely think this game works better in a 2D isometric plain than 3D space. Certain bosses can go fuck themselves though, like the boss in Monstro with the four platforms.
I think CoM also has a lot more character than Re:CoM, considering how nicely made the portraits and sprites are. Seriously, this is really fucking impressive for GBA.

>>180327429
I actually have a copy of it myself, or rather, my brother's copy, but I didn't want to overwrite his saves, even though I doubt he even cares. I gave it a go but the d-pad just didn't stick with me the same way the circle pad did.

For anyone interested: https://mega.nz/#F!MFRWmSaI!KLrAuQBBTZcajHMa1s-Fng
It's not just CoM though, it's a bunch of GBA games.

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>>180327429
>>I've noticed at least a couple people are actually playing GBA CoM so I was curious.
Honestly It's probably because a ton of people, myself included, have begun getting back into the KH series after all these years, and I'd wager that a lot of people, again, myself included, have never even so much as touched CoM, and didn't understand why it was so important to the overarching story of 2.

>>180327706
>Seriously, this is really fucking impressive for GBA.

I think I remember they said they were pushing the GBA's limits while making the game.

I also think GBA CoM has a lot more character to it too. It feels more interesting to look at than ReCoM for some reason to me.

The characters show more emotion in GBA CoM too; and before someone says "It's because the screens were small." but characters showed more emotion during scenes in the GBA game, where in ReCoM the character wouldn't even have a hint of that expression/would look bored.

Riku was 10 times more smug and Axel showed more emotion too. Larxene was the same though and I think maybe Vexen showed more emotion in ReCoM- y'know despite not supposed to be having hearts (or full hearts).
(but nobodies act how they used to be as humans so whatever)

I dunno if it's just me but it feels like there is a lot more dialogue in GBA CoM than ReCoM.

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>>180331101
>>The characters show more emotion in GBA CoM too
I can honestly see exactly what you mean. Re:CoM is essentially Reused Assets: The Game, and was essentially made after... KHFM, right? Well, it was a way to kinda catch people up to speed but hadn't played the GBA game because tons of people figured it was a spin-off title, which, fair enough.
The sprites are just so incredibly well crafted and detailed, they really capture the character's expressions. Re:CoM has the problem where nothing is really animated, so it's the base models just standing there speaking with their lip flaps, and there's not even dialogue half the time.
I'm still considering going through Re:CoM, but that's dependent on whether or not I don't jump straight into KH2.

>>180331101
>Riku was 10 times more smug
That mug sprite is so perfect

>>180330935
>have never even so much as touched CoM, and didn't understand why it was so important to the overarching story of 2.

It's really interesting because after KH1 came out pretty much everyone that played the game wanted to know what happened next/when KH2 was coming out. I remember going to the videogame store and seeing other kids (okay maybe just one kid who wasn't me) asking if they knew when KH2 was coming out.

When info about CoM came out online it was being raved about and I remember feeling bad when the game did come out because I felt like I was taking a really long time to get the game and by the time I wanted to buy it they didn't have it in stock anymore. (but I lived in Canada during the 2000's and once a game was sold out that was it) -forgot to mention that not everyone would buy/own a GBA.-

Anyway, advertisement for videogames wasn't that big back then so it wasn't surprising that so many people didn't pick up CoM even if it was the first sequel. When ReCoM came out I think most people thought "Oh it's just a different version of the same game." and/or dismissed it because of the card system or thought it was an unimportant side game because it wasn't numbered AND because they thought it came out after KH2 (so they didn't realize it was a sequel to KH1). < but most of that can still apply to the original CoM except that it came out right after KH1

KH finally became extremely popular when KH2 came out- the game that had the most advertisement + more people had PS2's by then.

>>180332469
Most normies didn't start using the internet until the late 2000s so they never would have been following the info online like we did.

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>>180332469
I honestly think it's amusing that the stigma of all of the non-numbered games being spin-offs has lasted for so long, and continues to exist. I honestly think it has something to do with how everyone perceived video game sequels back in the day. Usually, a mainline title would get a release on a home console, and portable games tended to be viewed as either spin-off games, or just their own thing, and there were constant cases of the GBA versions of PS2 games being nothing like their counterparts.

My brother was in a funny situation though back then actually, where he had gotten all the way to Ansem in KH1 but never beat him, but then played CoM on the GBA, which I don't know if he beat, and then went into KH2, where he never touched the series again, but to be fair, I'm sure a lot of people thought that the game, or series rather ended perfectly there, and just didn't pay attention to it afterwards until talk of KH3 began to circulate.

I personally had never gotten the chance to play the games myself, so it's been a fun journey so far, and I'm rather proud of my first Platinum being from KHFM in the 1.5+2.5 ReMIX Collection.

>>180331697

Does this mean I wasn't wrong when I said I thought they put more effort into GBA CoM than ReCoM?

Honestly the characters show so much...well character, in GBA CoM. I found myself kind of bored with ReCoM while I was actually interested in GBA CoM. Honestly most of the characters looked like they were bored and just annoyed in ReCoM.

They did make ReCoM as pretty much a bonus for KH2FM anyway, so it makes sense that they got lazy. they didn't bother to go through the effort of syncing the lips for the English version, making it look lazy as fuck and forcing the VA's to treat it like an anime dub making it sound awful and rushed.

I'm going through the HD collection and currently playing through ReCom and the story segments are really interesting but the gameplay just isn't for me.

It's fine on slower boss fights where I can take my time and just stack 3 good cards with plenty of time to reload but on faster paced boss fights I just can't keep up.

I just spent 45 minutes fighting Riku the second time.

I'm a little tempted to just stop and watch the cutscenes on Youtube but I'm already 12 hours in and don't want to give up at this point.

And on the topic of skipping CoM I did as well. I rented KH near the release of 2 and then rented 2 as soon as it released. I knew about CoM but figured it was a side game and reading about the card based battle system made me really not want to play it.

>>180333240
>>Does this mean I wasn't wrong when I said I thought they put more effort into GBA CoM than ReCoM?
Yeah, I was agreeing with you.

Wasn't Re:CoM a bonus for KH2 or KH2FM in Japan but they made it its own standalone title in the west?
But yeah, Re:CoM really does feel like a last minute "What can we do with this last $100 for the budget" game. Like I said, it's basically Reused Assets: The Game.

I think my biggest issue by far, aside from the combat not transitioning well into 3D space (I don't know why they felt the need to clutter the screen with far more enemies to deal with.) and hilariously bad camera, it's the fact that it uses KH2 Sora's voice and not KH1, which really puts it into perspective of how kinda rushed the game was.

>>180333018
>I'm sure a lot of people thought that the game, or series rather ended perfectly there

Honestly the ending for KH2 did look pretty solid until Kairi shows up with another letter from King Mickey.

When CoM came out I had a feeling most people didn't actually think it was a spinoff instead of a sequel, since I don't think spinoff's were such a big thing back then. I honestly think it was mostly because people didn't even know about it and/or not everyone could afford a GBA or would buy one. The system hopping is what really burned the flame for KH. (I could be wrong though)

Although in my mind as a kid, I thought the reason the new KH game was on a gameboy was because they didn't know if they were going to actually get to be able to make more games (or get enough money) for the series because of how weird a game it was (Final Fantasy and Disney?).

>>180316821
in many disney worlds upright standing talking animals dont exist but noone says anything about donald and goofy ever

>>180333626
What the fuck were the going to do? Turn back time and make his voice actor de-age?

>>180334029
>>180333626
Another reason JP Sora is the better Sora. His voice is always the same.

>>180333626
>Wasn't Re:CoM a bonus for KH2 or KH2FM in Japan but they made it its own standalone title in the west?
In Japan it was a pack-in bonus in a bundle release called Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+
Pre-ordering that also netted you the Another Report booklet.

If I'm not mistaken, all copies of KHIIFM released this way.
The two games would swap save data for unlocking new content.
Your progress in Re:CoM would unlock Absent Silhouettes and your progress in KHIIFM would unlock new cards based on KHII Keyblades and the Organization.

>it's the fact that it uses KH2 Sora's voice and not KH1
That can't be helped, given that it released after KHII, and by 2009 when it was localized, HJO simply couldn't sound like he did in KH1 anymore.

Newbie here, about to play KH for the first time. What all do I need to do to get the secret ending on PS4?

>>180333626
>it's the fact that it uses KH2 Sora's voice and not KH1, which really puts it into perspective of how kinda rushed the game was.

Yeah aside from having to treat ReCoM like an anime dub, HJO's real voice was already a lot deeper than it was before so it must've been hard for him to change his voice like that. You can tell he wasn't used to it just by listening to him.

I always thought they should've just had the VA's read the script when GBA CoM came out but they obviously didn't think about that or they probably didn't want to find/pay actors for more than just small noises or tiny quotes for fighting.

They also probably weren't thinking about making another version for the PS2....or if they were than they really just didn't want to go through all that effort. I mean they really did a rush job for ReCoM. It was a big bonus game so I dunno why I'm even trying to put any ideas around it.

>>180334164
Which difficulty?

>>180334368
Normal.

>>180334146
>Your progress in Re:CoM would unlock Absent Silhouettes

Nah the AS were never behind any lock.
The only thing Re:CoM data does for 2FM is give you theater mode.
The big one was the 2FM data unlocking all the extra cards in Re:CoM.

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>>180334029
anyone have access to re:CoM cutscene audio without music?
i wanna try pitch-shifting the audio in audacity
either that or sentence-mixing kh1 audio YTP style to match the dialog for re:CoM

>>180333762
Well, I definitely remember advertisements for both KH1 and KH2, but I only ever saw CoM in the store (That shiny silver box was hard to miss).
But yeah, Kingdom Hearts as a series suffered severely from all of the system hopping I think. Maybe not severely, but enough to make people gradually lose interest over time.

>(Final Fantasy and Disney?)
Honestly I think this has gotten to the point of meme status by now. There really is nothing wrong with the clash between Disney and FF, and people really seem to overstate it being this thing that doesn't work at all but in reality works really well because everyone stays in character. Maybe it's because my perspective was buying it as a game with Disney characters, whereas most people seemed to buy it specifically for the FF characters, which might have resulted in the huge turnoff, considering Disney is seen as a "little kids" thing, despite adults loving it too.

>>180334029
>>180334113
>>180334146
>>180334256
I know it can't be helped, but it's just incredibly jarring to hear KH2 Sora's voice coming out of KH1 Sora's model. By no means does it make it bad though. Also, maybe it's because it's the version I grew up with, but I'll never get used to the Japanese dub, especially for the Disney characters where I literally grew up listening to them.

CoM has the younger sounding Sora, which whether or not they just took voice clips from the game and compressed them for GBA is unknown to me. Still, there's many people that would call CoM the superior version though, and I think that's mainly due to the writing being better. I heard Re:CoM kinda dumbs down some of the story bits in a way.

I was actually surprised to see that instead of Axel saying "Got it memorized?" that he said "Commit it to memory.".

>>180334146
>and by 2009 when it was localized, HJO simply couldn't sound like he did in KH1 anymore.

Actually it came out in 2008.
But yeah HJO couldn't make his voice sound like he did when he was younger.

>>180334113

So Japanese Sora sounds the same as his younger version and older version? As if the character doesn't age?

>>180334565
>As if the character doesn't age?

Sora only aged one year during the entire story so far. Voice doesn't change that much that fast.

>>180334412
Can't get it on Beginner.
For Normal I think it's seal all keyholes and get all 99 Dalmations.
For Proud it's simply beating the game I think, though it might require you to get all keyholes.

>>180334412
You need to seal every Keyhole and find all 99 puppies.

For the extended version, you need to complete Jiminy's Journal.
Which is ostensibly 100%ing the game

>>180333762
>because of how weird a game it was (Final Fantasy and Disney?).

That's something that pulled me into the series in the first place. I remember watching a commercial for CoM when I was younger and being confused by some of the stuff I was seeing, like why was this kid with a giant key teaming up with Jack Skellington? I then later got it for my birthday, got confused as shit because I didn't know it was a sequel, then later got the first game and here I am now.

>>180334628
Yeah but the VA is older so he didn't have to go through puberty or anything. Therems a big difference in years between kh1 and the rest.

>>180334429
>Nah the AS were never behind any lock.
Huh. I could've sworn Re:CoM unlocked something in KHIIFM.

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>>180334565
>>180334628
It's interesting because apparently CoM takes place a month after KH1, so it's especially jarring in Re:CoM for Sora to have his older voice.
In KH2 they made up for this by actually making him look older and obviously grown out of his clothes, but Sora in Re:CoM is the exact same model as KH1 Sora.

>>180334749
>Therems a big difference in years between kh1 and the rest

Not really. Only 1 year passed between KH1 and 2.

>>180334773
I told you what it unlocked. Theater mode in 2FM.

>>180334684
Is it hard to 100% the game?

>>180334915
Nothing in any KH game is "hard" so no.

>>180334971
Is it tedious?

>>180334915
Not really. You'll need to beat all of the secret bosses but other than that it's not that bad.

>>180335016
The only tedious things in KHFM are synthesis and Gummi Missions which aren't part of journal completion.

>>180335063
You need to the Ultima Weapon to complete the game 100%.

>>180334915
Finishing the Journal requires you to beat all of the secret bosses, but on normal it should be fine.
The main tedious shit comes from the gummi ship missions, but if you really want to see the secret ending, I'd suggest watching it on Youtube. You're not missing much, just a teaser for KH2.

>>180335134
Do gummi ship missions count towards 100%? I forgot.

>>180334561
>KH2 Sora's voice coming out of KH1 Sora's model.

He tried to make his voice higher but honestly he should've just used his regular voice since his acting would be better. He kinda went back and forth from slightly forced higher voice to KH2 voice.

It's funny since none of the other characters have that problem. HJO was better with his slightly higher voice in DDD and ReCoded though.

>I was actually surprised to see that instead of Axel saying "Got it memorized?" that he said "Commit it to memory.".

He said both actually but I think he said "Commit to memory." more.....maybe.

What I found kind of charming was noticing how Riku's VA's voice got deeper with each game he's in (well actually he may have sounded the same in ReCoded and DDD as he did in KH2). His voice is noticeably deeper in 0.2.

>>180335134
Not for the journal you don't. It doesn't chronicle synthesis like KHII's journal does.

[deep dive] only cares about your journal.

>>180335304
Didn't HJO sound really weird in DDD because he tried to make his voice higher pitched though?
What exactly is the release order of the games anyway?
KH1 > CoM > KH2 > Days > BBS > Re:Coded > DDD > 0.2?
That's how I plan on playing them.
Is Re:Coded worth it at all? I heard it was essentially just the first game again.

>>180335527
Are you playing the collection?

>>180335719
I only have 1.5+2.5 right now, but I'm playing GBA CoM right now.

>>180335527
>KH1 > CoM > KH2 > Days > BBS > Re:Coded > DDD > 0.2?
Yes.

>Is Re:Coded worth it at all? I heard it was essentially just the first game again.
Well, you heard wrong.
And it's only a movie in the ReMIX, like Days.
So you might as well.

If you aren't in a rush to catch up on the series, I'd recommend giving the full game a playthrough, it's really good.

>>180335527
>Didn't HJO sound really weird in DDD because he tried to make his voice higher pitched though?

Still did a better job than he did in ReCoM.

>What exactly is the release order of the games anyway?
>KH1 > CoM > KH2 > Days > BBS > Re:Coded > DDD > 0.2?

Yes.

>Is Re:Coded worth it at all?

It's only a movie in the collection(s).

>I heard it was essentially just the first game again.

Ehhh, not really.
I never got around to finishing the actual game, I thought it was kind of tedious. One guy here claims it's one of the best game but I think it really isn't. The graphics are bad, the story barely exists, but I guess the gameplay is good. It's the least important game. The only thing significant is Maleficent getting information and some vague "ending the pain" message or some shit.

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>>180336728
>It's the least important game.

>>180333624
>train and get a retarded amount of cp
>stack entire deck with fires/blizzards and elixers/ethers
>spam firaga or blizzaga until boss ded

literally works on every boss, only larxene will give you a bit more trouble

>>180336948
Curious, but how much CP? I think I'm at around 600 myself.

>>180336871
Yes it is the least important game

>>180334874
I meant between the development and releases irl

>>180337182
>literally the only reason anything in DDD even happened

We wouldn't have KHIII without Re:coded. It's a critical turning point in the story.

>>180337309
No it isn't
>It's a critical turning point in the story
Not at all

>>180337174
I needed about 950 for final marluxia

dunno bout riku whatever, but try and if you need more attacks/cures or whatever, just train more

>>180337309
what are you talking about?

>>180337309
>We wouldn't have KHIII without Re:coded. It's a critical turning point in the story
not trying to be a dick but, in what way?

Re:coded will be very important for KH3 as it'll be part of the reason why certain characters can return/be saved. You can quote me on that.

>>180337573
Yen sid would have still sensed MX's return
They would have still searched out for the missing bbs trio
I don't even think mickey told sora who exactly needed to be saved, as mickey didn't even know who roxas and xion were
It added nothing to the series. The fact that they had to keep adding in extra scenes to the original just to make it feel significant is telling

>>180337536
Re:coded starts Maleficent's pursuit of the journal (and in turn the Book of Prophecies), which leads her to searching for the black box in KHIII.

It reveals to Mickey hints about what happened to Terra and Ventus.
That hunch is why they send Sora and Riku into the Realm of Sleep--to get the power to awaken sleeping hearts (Ventus).
Even if they got Aqua back, she can only lead them to Ventus, not wake him up.

And Mickey only felt safe in telling Riku about Aqua, and going to save her, after he achieved his Mark of Mastery.

Without the Realm of Sleep, Xehanort would not have put his plan into motion to gather his twelve selves to welcome Sora and the thirteenth, pushing this particular back-up who knows how long.

If anything, Re:coded is one of the MOST important titles, because it's directly responsible for the events that have followed.

Most if not all of the other games only reach through to the next game in the franchise, but Re:coded's influence ties the past to the present and connects in some way to nearly every game (into Re:coded and from Re:coded).

>>180336948
>>180337432

Yeah I might end up just grinding to a ridiculous level if it comes down to it.

But most boss fights I can handle. Like Ursula for example. That was a slow paced fight. I had plenty of time to reload and use cura when I needed. Also keeping one 0 card ready to break strong attacks. Plus the gimmick cards you get make it pretty easy. Oogie Boogie was a complete joke after I found out you just had to break the dice for the gimmick card.

But during boss fights like Riku he just stays on me constantly. I managed to beat him

I will say though that this battle system is interesting and I actually like some aspects of it like having a chance to stop powerful attacks before they can do any damage to you.

>>180338032
>It reveals to Mickey hints about what happened to Terra
No it didn't, they didn't even know what happened to terra at that point. They still thought he was just missing
>Re:coded is one of the MOST important titles
No it isn't, stop deluding yourself into thinking it is. The only important cutscene came at the very very end and that could have been told in a better and easier way than having to waste time doing yet another trek through kh1

>>180338489
>I think we're finally close to figuring out where Ven's heart is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPMyvLOC17I

>b-but only the ending matters!
Wow it's almost like this is Kingdom Hearts, where every game waits until the ending to dump the entire plot on you.

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You know, even if the gameplay doesn't hit me that well, I still love the aesthetic of the cards. There's just something really neat about the way they're designed, and from a story standpoint, they make sense to be replaced with Sora's normal skills because he's constantly forgetting things, so the cards are a way for him to battle even if he forgets how to fight using all of his abilities.

>>180338765
>talking about terra
>but ventus!
Oh look a scene that they had to add that wasn't in the original coded. They could have stuck that into bbs/bbsFM and nothing would change
>where every game waits until the ending to dump the entire plot on you.
You have convinced yourself that Re:Coded is so important that are making things up now. Settle down

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>Trying to find a good KH wallpaper
>Just can't find one that's suitable for me

>>180339020
>They could have stuck that into bbs/bbsFM and nothing would change
Except everyone would be like "how did Mickey find out where Ven's heart is???"

>making things up
You're kidding, right? Every single Kingdom Hearts game waits until the end of the game for most of the plot to finally happen.
Hollow Bastion.
Twilight Town-TWTNW
The last like 50 days of Days.
Destiny Islands->Keyblade Graveyard
TWTNW (DDD)
The last three or so updates of χ[chi]
Even 0.2, nothing really happens until you meet Mickey after the first three levels (of four), and that game's only two hours long!

It happens all the fucking time.
Somehow, it's only a problem when Re:coded does it.

CoM is the only one that really spreads its narrative evenly.

>>180339272
>"how did Mickey find out where Ven's heart is???"
He still didn't know where yet, your own cutscene showed that
>I swear things only happen at the end because I say so
This is sad. No one cares about Re:Coded, deal with it my man.

>>180339679
>I swear things only happen at the end because I say so
Dude have you played these fucking games

I even outlined where the bulk of the plot of each game comes from. It's always at the end.
Because the majority of the game is spent fucking around in Disney worlds which do not advance the main story.