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Goodnight Sweet Prince Edition

New /gerg/ game, from the makers of Shadowrun Returns
http://battletechgame.com/

Armored Core:
http://pastebin.com/Ek3kMtZW
http://pastebin.com/WSq32Amg
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/armoredcorevg

Mechwarrior Living Legends:
https://clanjadewolf.net/mwll/
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/

Living Legends Server Stats (Use this to check if anyone is playing):
http://stats.spikx.net/mwll.html

The HAWKEN zombie marches on:
https://www.playhawken.com/

Heavy Gear Assault:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/416020

M.A.V. (Now with more Chromehound legal rights!)
http://bombdogstudios.com/blog/

MechWarrior Online:
http://www.mwomercs.com/

Cram in completely unbalanced civil era tech here:
https://mwomercs.com/civil-war

How to start MWO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imffSrJ4O7s

New Player's Guide to MWO (aka the Manual):
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bmIEjECA6IbWRm92vmylZNv2QYVc5gXO7CT9jMITOrM/edit

Kong PodKast #25: Heavy Gear Stuff
http://kongkast.libsyn.com/kong-kast-25-gear-bays-black-market-and-pets-oh-my

MWO Mechlab:
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab

MWO Heat Simulator:
http://keikun17.github.io/mwo_heat_simulator/

Kanajashi's Video Tutorials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGPYOrhEFtg

Group Mumble Info:
kong.stepoff.com
port:7777
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FIRST FOR NIGGERSPHERE. FUCKING TEST TUBE CANCER BABIES.
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>>180153480
2nd for this
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>>180152096
So i have in no particular order, 1 catapult(gutted) 2 grasshoppers(1 gutted), 3 shadow cats, 2 mad dogs, and a king crab. plus a locust and some jenners

My favorites are the mad dogs but I'd like a clan heavy that is a little tankier without using ballistics. I love my king crab but it hurts to pilot at times.

Any IS heavies for AC10s and or lasers?

No more glass cannons please
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Best clam heavy to buy for the upcoming tech patch? What's going to be good with the new weapons?
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>>180154564
Nova. 12 heavy smalls.
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>>180154934

>Nova
>Heavy
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>>180155283
Are 12 heavy smalls not heavy enough for you?
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>>180155491
Is there a mech that will do more?
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>>180156879
Not if you want a shitload of heavy smalls.
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>test out kodiak-3
>put 4 UAC/10s on it and paint it yellow
>enemy focuses on me for a good minute or two before I die
>proceeds to get raped by exposing their flank to the rest of the team for so long

I don't know if it's the correct way to play assault, but it's working so far. I'm almost tempted to switch out to LBX/20s once I get enough c-bills again.
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big stonkin' mecha bump
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Is this robots?
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>>180154934
>not going with a dozen heavy mediums dealing 120 damage for just 12 tons

It's like you can't see into the future of opmetatryhardspam and the resulting forum meltdowns demanding nerfs.
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>>180162937
New to this game here. Wouldn't that many heaves be a sick amount of heat? Do mechs in MWO detonate from too much excessive heat like in MW3?
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Why can't the (g)oldmen ask for inner sphere mechs that have GOOD hardpoint spreads? Shit like:

>a 75 ton chassis with 2 or more ballistics spread between side torsos and arms
>a 75+ ton mech that can put on more than 5 lasers and 2 missiles
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>>180165858
Because the Thanatos and Argus are being saved for the real nigga nostalgia dollars.
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>>180154330
>Any IS heavies for AC10s and or lasers?
Rifl-
>No more glass cannons please
fug.

Hill humping with Rifleman, is valid. Warhammer is like a mini Mauler but I cant remember if it gets any quirks to benefit the AC10 much.

>>180161964
That heck pony helmet is fuckin rad.
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>>180168134
>>180154330

Onion Knight for being a 75 t atlas.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=156&l=2d06fdd8d4be93a359183d5edf835029cab275ab

armour values a fucked. fully survival treed onion has 131 total ct armour.

not really. whammer is good for dual shotguns, or black widow quad ac5. you can do ac 20 on it too.
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no IS heavy can really take 2 ac 10's without being seriously gimped in most other ways.
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>>180168791
Warhammer
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>>180168791
Warhammer, Jagermech, Rifleman, in that order of usefulness.
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>>180171473
Catapult can do dual 10s too.
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>>180171156
>>180171473
>>180171657

All of which have to sacrifice in order to do that.
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>>180152096
Whoever made that: I love you!
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>>180171764
Sacrifice what? Are you troubled by the fact that you might have to take an XL or something?
That's not really a sacrifice. Or you're just looking for an opportunity to complain about Clan XLs again.
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>>180174367
no. you either have to sacrifice firepower in supplemental weapons that sync with the ac10's.
or you have to run hot by not having any ectra DHS to go with the other weapons you have.
or you have to be squishy.

that's why it's usually better to have a single ac20 instead.
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>>180174367
or a pair of shotguns instead.
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>>180174465
I guess? Two tens and a couple medium lasers doesn't seem to get any hotter for me than a 20 and even more mediums, or SRMs.
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>>180174802
AC 20 IS 14 T

X2 AC 10 IS 24 T

that's ten extra tonnes you could spend elsewhere on useful stuff.
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Is this a retarded skill setup? Some guy shared his AC20+6ML brawler build on Steam and I question the viability.
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>>180175440
>that mobility and sensors tree
What the fug
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>>180175440
Don't listen to steambirths. They are almost worse than (G)oldmen.
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>>180175440
All of this is fucking stupid.
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>>180175557
>>180177307
>>180178237

Must be a Murican player
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>>180175440
Rename: - Warhamburger.
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>>180168492
>>180168134

I've looked seriously into the warhammer. Would be going C-bill variants only.

Rifleman looks like a lot of fun and its cheaper than some alternatives.

Onion knight being Orion I assume? Maybe ON1-K? Looks good too.

Thanks for the leads friends.
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Now that the clan medium and light game is ded. What are my options for mechs in that catagory not using red lasers?
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>>180182302
spurdo
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>>180181815
yea, the oni k. is best variant for being armoured out the fucking wazoo and running the atlas brawl build. (on a 75 t) you have almost the most armour in the game, and lose ONE srm6 to the atlas but get 2 more ML's
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>>180181815
you can always buy the normal variant of the (c)'s and build them out identically.

that's what i did with my Oni iic
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>>180181815
Onions are reliable brawlers nowadays. Warhammers used to be really really fun but now they're too squishy.
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just remember to play in a team of brawlers because pugs are chickenshit coward assault / lurmshitter / pepsigoose faggots who want to never ever get shot at ever and will never go into a push with you, or flank or focus fire or even share armour.
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playing brawl is masochistic suffering if you don't team drop
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>>180187079
and with the next patch, playing brawling will be masochistic suffering even if you have a 12-man all versed and equipped for that playstyle.
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>>180187245
because piggy won't do anything that threatens their ''income'' stream from the goldmen steering wheel shitters who cannot actually play the fucking game.

so they nerf anything that hurts the feelings of the goldmens sense of OP
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>>180187245
Actually you can still brawl perfectly fine

As long as you play IS mechs :^):^):^):^)
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>>180187957
Just gotta slap on them SRMs that not only do more damage than the clan version but are more accurate than the clan ones with artemis even if you don't put artemis on the IS version. :^]
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>>180188467
the 'inacuracy' of clam srms mean you have to get like, 10 -20 metres closer, WOW, such a horrible difference!
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>>180188467
>b-but it's balanced because the IS version weights more and clans can fit more missiles for the same tonnage
>good thing the heat is still the same and both srms have the same ghost heat limit and we also increased srm ghost heat multiplier so it's extra balanced
>t. pig
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>>180188792
Clan SRMs still have a wider randomized spread area, which can very well half your damage potential against the desired component. Even if you are "10-20 meters closer."
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>>180189139
wider spread means you just have to get closer, ffs. so you just get 20 m closer and then let rip in order to all hit the same component. fuck. it's not rocket science.

sml pulse laser range is enough for clan srms to all hit the one component.
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Its another "clan weapons are fine" autistic rant, disregarding ultra jam cannons, missils with a wider spread than your moms legs, and "plez pepsigoosemewhenpoking" lasers-
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>its ok you just have to move closer with srms
>its ok you just do less damage with the new pulse lasers
>its ok you just have to move a bit more to cover when your uacs jam
>its ok you just have to face your enemies for a while longer with your laser burn time

its ok
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>>180193724
Atleast we will have erll with a shorter burn time and gauss ppc still works, we can still hide on the other side of the map and plink away right.
Oh wait the skill tree still gives clans less beam duration for some ungodly reason, so much for the erll buff because the IS one is getting a lower duration too.
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whats the standard com-2D build? xl200 no ecm 3xSRM4?
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>>180193914
>IS ERLL duration on mechs without -10% duration quirk: 0.99 seconds
>IS ERLL duration on mechs with -10% duration quirk: 0.825 seconds
>IS ERLL on quirked mechs will have a duration only 0.01 seconds longer than a duration reduced clan medium pulse laser

haha, whats balance again?? :^))
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>>180195225

Honestly with all the new balance changes is it just time to go IS?
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>>180195315
not in cw, because there you will still meet the same old man davion potatos as always
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>>180195571

CW is fucking dead and playing it only works even remotely well if you have a group of at least 4. Playing CW solo is an exercise in pain and frustration.

>Takes forever to get into a match.
>Potatoes manage to lose before you're even on your second or third drop.
>Earn less C-Bills than I would have in quick play anyway.
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>>180195225
Balance is nerfing the MAD IIC to have the worst agility base of all Assault mechs below 100 tons.
Just in time for the Madcat Mk II release for the good goys to spend money on. You know goddamned well that 90 ton clan battlemech with the best mounts in the game will spin like a ballerina. Fuck PGI.
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>>180196139
Engine niggering was probably the worst change they've ever made to the game. It gave them free hands to give unlimited negative quirks to any mech the davion lurm atlas shitters get butthurt about.
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>yfw agility nerfs to the worst mech class
>yfw nerfs to light damage
>tfw its all done to keep the heavies as kings of the battlefield
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>>180195315
>IS Medium [Pulse] Laser and ERLL boats are the only laser mechs NOT completely fucked by the changes

So what's the BEST IS Medium Laser boat I can get?
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>>180197030
4p
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>>180197030
>IS medium pulse laser boat
Thunderbolt Top Dog. 9 energy hardpoints spread rather evenly between both torso sections.

Also the Warhammer 6D.
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>yfw it's time for the thunderbolt to become gud again
>yfw it's only because everything else is so shit
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I'm just better with ballistics than I am with lasers, I think.

It's easier to lead targets and time your fire than it is to hold lasers on target for what feels like forever.
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>look at commando variants
>the 1B has a fuckton of crazy energy quirks
>TDK has fuckall

The pig is really bad at selling hero mechs
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bump for the ages...
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Scrims?
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>pgi balancing
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>>180204325
Are the starting mechs even worth it anymore?
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>tfw /gerg/ will go to mechcon just to truly show that we are all old davion men playing with lore builds
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>>180207113
What's mechcon?
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>>180208526
It's like a mech condom
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>>180208526
It's the largest con act about mechs on the canuck cuck side of the world.
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Personally I am enjoying the longer ttk all around.

Gimping weapons and increasing hp just increases the rift between skill levels even more, since bad players are less likely to land lucky killing or disabling damage with one button press.

Meanwhile, higher skilled players who can aim consistently still molest baddies at about the same speed as before.

MWO feels more like mechwarrior than it has in years. I like it, even though I shit on skill turd and desync hard.

Killing lights is also a good thing, and I say that as an experienced light pilot. 99% of "assassin" style light pilots dont engage in team play. They use their team as decoys while they farm kdr. Blame those type of fags for getting lights consistently nerfed. To be honest, its deserved. Assassin lights are too strong in a game where you can create your own loadout.

Not to suck the pigs dick here but shaking up the meta, dumpstering turret style gameplay, and rebalancing obvious outliers is only ever a good thing for skilled players, who can make anything work.

The mosr dangerous thing to a good player is another good player....or a fucking retarded puglet in a godmech that can click the red square once and disable you.

The lower the overall power level, the less random nigger factor involved in regular gameplay.
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>>180211852

I agree with the longer TTK thing.

Short TTK is totally against the feel of MW.
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>>180211852
>dumpstering turret style gameplay
The patch is going to make every style of gameplay except turretwarrior unviable for clans.
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>>180211852
I feel like they totally destroyed a lot of really good clan builds with the spl nerf. There is literally no reason to even use them now so mechs like the nova and cheetah have to use smalls or mpls.

Meanwhile the javelin is still going around fucking everyone in the ass like it was before the patch and not a single clan medium or light can touch it.

Good fucking luck taking a leg off with anything other than a ppc or gauss round because your laser burn time is too long to get a full alpha into anything.

I guess streaks really are the only alternative since clan srms are equally bad.
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moving metal bump
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Are archer pilots faggots or something? Every time I meet one and try to tear open his diaper, he has like 20+ fucking back armor.

This is too consistent for it to be a coincidence.
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>>180216645
they have lrm quirks instead of generic missile quirks, so naturally only faggots run them
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>>180216645
I distribute my Archer's armor evenly between the front and rear and run a STD so that light pilots have the hardest time possible killing me
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>>180171791
Whispers made that a long time ago based on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg
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>>180216961
You absolute monster.

>>180216713
Fair point.
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>>180216645

I get where you are coming from, but why would a dedicated LRM fag run full frontal armor? He's not trading, he's not poking, and his primary concern is getting booty nibbled...so yeah, of course he's going to up his back armor.

I always roll my eyes when I dump a 40 point alpha into a puke green shitmech's ass and see his ct only turn light yellow, but I figure that these retards have died to backstab so many times that they did the only thing they thought to do...increase back armor.
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>>180213890

>people complaining about Javs

What? I barely see any of them at T1, and when I do they are easy to kill. Shooting the legs doesnt work of course, because they are toothpicks, but they are quite tall and easy to land shots on the torso, which melts off fast.
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>>180216961
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>>180216961
Same. I also run a pair of flamers just so they'd hate to be in front of me.
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>>180223062
>not running a 30/70 Front/Rear distro with flamers so that they're FORCED to be in front of you to kill you in a reasonable amount of time
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>>180223062
If this was proper battletech, you could even have flamers shooting towards the rear.
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>>180211852
>less likely to land lucky killing or disabling damage with one button press.

Did you just forget about the critical system?
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>flamer mech forgets to turn off the gas and shuts himself down in front of your shotgun kodiak
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>>180223062
Smart. Flamers are underappreciated, but they simply fuck stuff up.

Will be less necessary once the spl nerfs come in though.
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>Match on Canyon Network
>In an LRM Catapult
>Actually manage to blow through all my ammo
>Reduced to 2 x medium lasers
>Game turns into a brawl
>Running around in a depleted LRM cat the middle of a clusterfuck
>Trying to share armor now that my usefulness is minimal
>Somehow being ignored by enemy team
>Going ham with my little green beams
>Win the match, still alive some how
>Actually managed to do about 200 damage with just the lasers

I'm guessing there, but based on how many volleys hit versus didn't land hits, I have an idea how much LRM damage I did.

Breddy fun. Always carry backup.
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>>180226041
How much LRM ammo?

>3.4 Heat MLs tomorrow
I cannot wait.
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ded
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>>180226665

1080 missiles. I rarely run out during quick play matches, but I also don't end up with a bunch left over generally. Seems like the place to be.
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>>180226041
>Actually using a Cat like TT intended
Nice work anon.
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keepin' ded gaymes alive
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>>180157223
This is one of the better ways to polay one, yes. You distract the enemy team long enough for your team to get into position to obliterate them. I do this a lot on my Kodiaks and Supernovas.
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>>180226041
I've done this with my LRM Supernova before with 4 ERMLs. Ended up scoring 3 kills after I ran out of 12 tons of LRM ammo.
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>>180235256
I've been doing this with most post skill tree Vindy. Insert self into flank and proceed to run around, drop arty strikes, and in general be something obnoxious that won't die for a while, and hope my fellow potaoes actually see the opportunity and push. Sometimes it actually works even.
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>>180235616
Yep, and usually you're dangerous enough that the enemy team does need to concentrate on you for a good bit.
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Dual Gauss Rifleman, yes or no?
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>>180237906
Then it'd be called a gauss rifles man
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>>180238195
Double Gauss Rifles Rifleman.

Hey man, nice shot.
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>>180237906
Sounds like garbage. There's a reason you've never seen one, and it's because you either don't have enough ammo, or you go slow as balls.
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>>180226665

>1 more day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA1mbZ_MMh8
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>>180239386
If only the Hero Mauler had a gigantic one shot missile that was instadeath to anything within 500M of the target.
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>>180239495

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Thunderbolt_Missile
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>>180239882
>rekt by a single AMS
kek
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>>180239930

Thats why you fire it very close so it never happens. It's also one of those stories about putting your eggs in one basket.

On the other hand it would justify the 3 ams kitfox. Because imagine that homing AC10 coming at you and hitting a limb randomly.
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>>180241486
Laser AMS Kitfox when
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>>180241645

>ams kitfox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqLArgCbh70
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you haven't forgotten about me, right gerg?
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How much will the new one shot missile launchers way? I want to bring a shit ton of missiles on my locust for scouting.
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>>180243794
if they go with tabletop rules, you won't be saving that much weight with them. One shot systems were still pretty heavy.
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>>180241486
wait they home?
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>>180243794
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rocket_Launcher_10
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rocket_Launcher_15
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rocket_Launcher_20

These weapons work in tabletop because most things have paper thin armor and plenty of lights actually scout and then fuck off instead of ever trying to engage mechs.
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I'm in a state when i actually bored to the point i want to try the IFR, but now i have to wait till August patch to get the ECM one. This challenge keeps me logging till newtech.
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>>180218723

If your primary worry is getting buttblasted, you are one of those lurmers who hides in the backfield and deserves assrape from whatever enemy light wants a free kill.

Get in the front, take some hits, draw some fire, and maybe, you might even hit with some of your potatokillers and NOT get all the lasers riding up your panty line.
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>>180223447

If it was proper Battletech, Archers would come with two ML's facing back stock.
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>>180226041

This is what you're supposed to do. Lob your missiles, then not be afraid to use your secondary guns. Aside from being a distraction, you should have some torn-up targets you may kill anyway.
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>>180243794

.5 to 1.5 depending. They can be good on a lolcust for a suicide blast, especially if you don't think you're going to live for more than a few seconds.

LCT-3S with four RL20's and an ERML, for example.
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I'm looking forward to the new decals.

mostly so I can put LRM Brawler on a few mechs.
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>>180243687
What hell hath wrought such a beast?
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How do you have fun in a lrm boat?
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>>180251867
You press 1 button and watch movies while MWOing.
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>>180152096
Does Kong still post here? I heard most of them quit playing this game.
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>>180252278
lel literally who
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>IS mechs with +10% range quirk and 5-10% duration reduction quirk
>Get ERLL that reach out to 847 meters for full damage, and burn for 0.88 - 0.825 seconds
>AWS-8T, CPLT-C1, WVR-7K TRD-5S, GRF-1S & ENF-4R get this miracle combo

ayy lmao IS ez mode
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So what do Clan mechs have now that is 'superior' in any way?

Mobility is gone. Range is gone. Punch is gone/going. No quirks.

A few mechs with good hardpoints, and the clan XL engine?

That's it right? It's remarkable, the nigger spheroids actually managed to get everything nerfed.
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>>180256471
good get fucked test tube clanner nigger
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>>180256620
this desu
Clan faggots need to understand that they ruined Battletech as a series and need to leave
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>>180256471
Clan ERLL, even without welfare nigger spheroid quirks, still has 50m+ greater optimum range on the IS version. Granted it'll be 0.3 -0.4 seconds longer in burn duration, and IS can abuse ghost heat limits farm more egregiously.

c-ERPPC didn't really get nerfed. There wasn't really a mech that kept pumping ERPPC shots every 4 seconds, so a 4.5sec cooldown is just forced extra cooling on you. So Goose Peepers builds are just as good as before.

>>180256620
>Nigger spheroids calling anyone else niggers

lmao losing a few points off your welfare check quirks bother your booty that much?
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>>180256684

Sure kiddo, let's see you talk shit when you aren't riding in your quirkmobile.
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>>180256620
>>180256684

So what happens when Clan gets nerfed, and nigger spheroids still get buttfucked?

What can you blame next?
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>>180257072
clan niggers didnt get nerfed enough
proceed to nerf them into the ground to the point they dont even wanna come out of their test tubes anymore
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>>180257265

You should be more tolerant. Clanners are simply peaceful migrants fleeing their war torn sector in search of a better life. Clan culture is one of peace.
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>>180257265
the only thing that will stop tryhards is a bullet to the brain.

otherwiase they WILL keep datamining and theorycrafting, and private match testin and 40 + hrs per week 'training' regimen in MWO using all the meta-est broken shit they can find no matter how piggy's retards 'balance' things.

also, please not the 'Y U NERF DIS' crying bitches aren't saying anything at all about goosepepsi not being nerfed into the dirt.
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>>180258052
>urrr urrr y my 2x lrm10 2x erll & ac20 mech not as good as a focused build ;_;
>pgi nerf teh tryhards! pls! pls... ;_;
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>>180258789
>playing the game is retarded in this manufactured hyperbolic ridden scenario i invented!


>but turning MWO into a second job and only ever playing the meta is not retarded at all!
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>>180259671
>implying playing good in mwo takes any time or real skill even when compared to junkheap games like CS
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>>180259973
that's what makes it so retarded. they're shitters so hard they have to put all this effort into a game to not suck donkey balls, when anyone with even half a brain can take mechs they like and do well.

that's what makes them tryharding faggots compared to people who just play the game.
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>>180260202
>muh bracket builds
>muh lore builds

You're trying to shame and force people to play by YOUR rules, when those you berate are playing by PGI's rules.

Isn't that a bit self-centered?
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>>180260590
fuck both bracket builds AND lore builds, they're both retarded.

cripplingly retarded overspecialisation is ALSO retarded, funnily enough. and should punish the retard stupid enough to do it accordingly.

have a range of different stuff that all works at roughly the same range is much better.

I'm talking about people who crutch themselves up so hard to leverage their shitty inability to fucking play up to a MINIMALLY VIABLE level.

they're as bad as piggy.

IS get srm's ac20 and ML's that will all happily sync without retardedly boating, for example. clan srms and MPLs are also good together.

the point being is boating is SUPPOSED to be shit, but all the tryhards just do that. Or pepsi goose stale meta.
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>>180260861
>complains about "tryhards" and "metabuilds"
>literally lists builds that were or are meta

You're literally ventiing because you don't like people using gauss rifles and ppc's. That's sad.
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>>180262661
>brawl
>meta

>the playstyle that gets continually nerfed for ever and ever.

sure thing buddy. yea, close to midrange builds are tottally op meta and not at all nerf'd into the pavement in MWO.

YOU sound like a tryhard pepsi goose retard who cannot drive his mech and shoot at the same time, and has to become a turret in order to take any shots.
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>Play mediums the biggest part of the time
>Day of mediums challenge
>queue turns into ride that never ends
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>omnis are still locked engines, locked endo/ff, locked jjs, locked heatsinks, locked masc, locked bap, locked everything, if your mech isn't perfect stock it sucks monkey fuck
>no quirks
>all clan weapons except pepsi (which is already crippled with made up splash damage stats) and gauss are shit and have tighter ghost heat limits
>the last clan mechs that escaped the engine faggotpozzing have been given arthitis
>IS has infinite mediums with assault durability and firepower, and infinite periscope erll fuckmachines with erll that has the same duration as a clan medium pulse
Epic patch
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bumping ded gamu
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>>180263887
Just play scouting, there's a bazillion shitters right now.
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bamp
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>>180274006
I don't even fuck around at all with CW.
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The longer I use this mech the more I like it.
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>>180275734
There's like no effort involved, don't be a fag and do some basic faction fighting.
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>>180276180
Scouting becomes hell on earth if you're on defenders and the enemies are ratting.
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>>180275812
It's a fat shaq, it can't be that bad.
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>>180276529
lel just get good and murder them at their dropship.
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Imagine new adjustement pass to existing mechs after new tech hits in and they fix up mista Black Knight to something like this.
>>Buckets were filled that day.
>>every other "hip" mounted weaponry gets lifted up
>>we rejoice and get ourselves stupid drunk and buy random mechpacks that got the same lift-job that fixes their horrible hitboxes, hip mounted meme hardpoints and big coke snorted noses get a proper surgery.
>>would be glorious.

Oh wait PGI=No fun allowed (at least in the med/long run)
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>>180276787
>no jump jets
>10 tons heavier meaning to reach SHAQ speeds you need engine ratings considerably higher
>As tall as a shaq, but nearly 50% wider

Oh it's bad alright. It desperately needs newtech to have some worth.
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Welp, about an hour and a half before I get to drive new kreb and be pissed about shit balance pass.
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>>180279367
Oh boy oh boy I can't wait for my medium [pulse] laser boat IS mechs to be better while every other mech I own is shittier
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If you have anything negative to say about the laser nerfs, other than that they're not severe enough, I have nothing but contempt for you and I hope you die.
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>>180279854
Small Pulse Lasers should just be laser machineguns with the same burn bar as flamers
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>>180279854
They're over the top compared to how effective massed ballistics and massed missiles are.

You can kill yourself with your contempt. Lasers have been one major staple of battletech.
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>>180280318
Yeah you know what else is a major staple of Battletech? A whole bunch of game mechanics that balance lasers versus non-lasers that flat out are not in MWO at all. Take your laser vomit and choke on it.
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>>180279854
Keeping the 6cspl spoopy heat limit instead of removing it while dropping the damage by a third and nerfing the fuck out of DPH is fucking retarded. cersl and cspl are now meme weapons nobody should ever use.
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>>180280538
And although MWO doesn't have the heat scaling from tabletop (which, to be honest, is less punishing than MWO's), this game has concepts such as ghost heat penalty and ineffective heatsinks that indirectly reduce the effectiveness of laser weapons.

Maybe you should try a different game, if lasers cause so much anal anguish for you?
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>>180280802
>weapon in-game is obviously not working as it was intended within the context of the setting
>shits on every other weapon type in every way short of heat generation
>not balanced by the myriad of game mechanics present in tabletop that are MEANT to balance it
>not balanced by the lack of ability to directly target specific body parts

>maybe you should try a different game
Maybe you should try a bullet in your skull.
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>>180280802
t. posted from my 9000 ERML 5000 CLPL Niggerauder IIC
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>>180280970
>>180280975
Oh, so much rectal irritation. Lasers will always be there, and as soon as piggy realizes nerfing them too many times is going to cut into their profit margins, they'll reverse changes and we'll be right back where it all was.

If you're not satisfied now, you might as well stop playing.
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>>180281178
>I-if they nerf it too much I-I-I'll quit!
>then they'll have to change it back!
Stay classy.
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>tfw will rek shitters with your IS medium lasers, medium pulse lasers and your er large lasers
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>>180282324
Congrats you use a weapon type. Here's your (You)
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>>180282810
congrats on your shitpost
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>>180282324
The quick play queue will feel the wrath of my 6ERLL mememaster and my willing voting of polar highlands and frozen city.
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>>180283148
>tfw mememaster master

what about the stalker
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>>180256471

Good thing Clan players are more skilled or they wouldn't be able to overcome these nerfs
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>>180256471
Reminder that clan mechs being outright better was only ever intended to be used in conjunction with the fact that they find anything other than 1v1 combat abhorrent and dishonorable so the IS could exploit this. As if MWO shitters could restrain themselves from focus firing as clanners.
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>>180283236
Stalker has below eye-height hardpoints for anything over 4 lasers, get that pleb robot outta here.
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Is it finally time for the Thunderbolt 5SS?
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PGI just needs to say 'forget lore' once and for all and make all IS and Clan weapons identical. XL engines identical too. In fact just combine all Clan and IS tech/mechs into one big group, then everyone can play what they want whenever they want.
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>play clam and die
>get rekt clan shitter!
>wow ok then, play IS and die
>get fukt IS retard!

Really motivates the myomers
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>>180283976

Clan grognards will protest this in one thread and whine about nerfs in another.
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>>180283917
it is ein frieund
time to shake off the dust from the old THUNDER and fuck shit up once more with it
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>>180284738
stop being bad at ez mode clans
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>yfw ez mode IS
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>>180284738
So what you're saying is...you suck.
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>>180283976
Oh goodie, just unlock endo-steel frame, ferro-fibrous armor and double heatsinks toggles on clans, as well as all the locked equipment like the engines, DHS, jump jets, MASCs and active probes.
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>>180287085
Pretty much, yeah. Make everyone equal.
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>>180283976
yes.

it makes sense for clan shit to be objectively better, expensive, harder to come buy and more costly to maintain and have lower availability in a single player game like the MW games, but mwO means you need to forget that and realise you are making an ONLINE game.

i for one would LOVE all heavy mechs falling withing a range of tankiness, with assault have a uch higher 'low end' of their tankiness range starting point running to 100 t's being really tanky as all hell. regardless of clam / is. and with identical weapons and other tech bases it's all about playing fun mechs you WANT to play, instead of being forced to play 'the meta'
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3.2 gb patch.

fucks sakes.

my Skokomish better be freaking beautiful. with a big std and masc, it better fit 4 srm6's and decent other weapons too.
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>fun mechs you want to play
>he believes that mechs with shit hardpoints would magically stand a chance if clam and is had the same equipment
>being forced to play the meta
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>>180286039
>>180286876
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>>180288139
mixed hardpoints support brawling setups.

if you boat energy weapons on a mech you also need to put on a fuckload of heat sinks.

if you JUST have missiles, you have to put on a fuckload of ammo for them.

if you JUST have dakka, you need a fuckload of ammo for them.

brawlers with mixed weapons don't suffer from this issue and frequently can sustain a higher dps by rotating trhough their 2-3 groups of weapons.
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>>180288782
Ayy lmao
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>>180288917
just look at the brawl atlas, oni etc builds.

mixed hardpoints don't have to be shitmechs.

piggy have just made it so mixed is bad a lot of the times, unless you're running specific things that work well together.

any combo of ac20, ml's and srm's for instance make a good brawler mixed mech
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>>180288442
someone's salty
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>+80 sensor range
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>>180290271
u mad bro?
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>>180287978
Patchin now. Have an excellent connection, but this is going to take a while.
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>>180290915
If you're still using 'u mad bro' you might be in your 40s.
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>>180287978
>skokomish
>beautiful

lmao enjoy your gradient mountain range pattern with forced black censor bars all over the mech.
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>that one guy in /gerg/ who isn't at least 40

this isn't kindergarden general m8
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>>180291661
My son posts here sometimes. I feel like I've failed as a parent.
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Is this patch right now the civil war patch? Can I haz LAMS?
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>>180292006
Negative.
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I wonder if people will finally get the hint from all the laser nerfs and stop bringing things that aren't srm bombs or lbx40 hunches to clan scouting. Lol they won't
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>>180292006
yes its out already
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>>180292103
Damn, I thought it was today. When are we getting the timeline advance? Also, are we getting Faction Play changes with the whole FedCom thing happening?
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>>180292261
12 smal laser nova still good goy, basically the only small laser boat worth running imo.
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>>180292293
read the patch notes for yourself and you'll learn.
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>>180292928
Not with that beam duration.
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>>180292261
>LBX-40 hunchback
>anywhere near capable of fighting against overly quirked bushwackers, shadowhawks or griffins
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>>180293423
You're not going to get that level of heat efficiency and flamer-proofing from pretty much any other clan scouting build.
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>>180293901
Who needs flamer proofing? Flamers are extras on most SRM bomber builds anyway, and that 4x SRM4+Artemis/ SRM6+Artemis will blast through a HBK-IIC's paper armoured side torsos in two shots.
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>>180295049
Every clan medium except shitcrow is made out of wet toilet paper atleast when it comes to getting hit by IS surms, and whoops the crow is banned from scouting because of spheroid butthurt. You might as well go for the one that has maximum power and try to kill the enemies before you die.
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Lmao, team flaming me and tellimg me to drop the er smalls for streacks, these retards think clans can win a fight 4v4 in scout, I fear they have runner into to many memer decks with IS lights, if they bring a 50tonner deck and fight in equal numbers it feels like a first encounter darksouls bossfight.
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>>180295434
But then you should go with the 6-8x SRM6 huntsman, or a 12x ERSL nova.

LBX40 hunchback is too slow to make it anywhere, and has to little damage to contend with the ridiculously overquirked IS 55 tonners.
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>>180295706
>implying srm huntsman isn't hot as fuck
>implying srm setups that break ghost heat aren't useless after the patch that upped srm ghost heat because what's even the point of bringing srms if you have to stagger fire and have face time
>implying clan extended duration small lasers don't only work if you're a coordinated team that's only focus firing legs
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inb4 legging isn't brawling
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>>180297027
>tfw take my lbx40 hunchback to scouting
>tfw IS always takes missile brawlers, so it always comes down to a brawl
>tfw proceed to leg everything that comes my way, because good luck twisting lbx40 when I'm gunning for legs
Fuck the haters.
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>run spl nova for scouting still
>potato is still manages to lose every match
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>>180297826
>HBR-F
Aww ye, now I can get that right torso pod.
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>over 1 gig patch
How
What in there takes that much space
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>>180299439
Mine was 3.2GB.

I guess it's the weight of PGI's pure incompetence.
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>mfw a bunch of russians can make mech legs properly and a pile of canadian cunts cant
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>>180299840
Good old IP monoplies (if you can even call them that?). Guaranteed success by simple virtue of having something nobody else can have, and not from actually earning their success.

I like most of the art direction though, gotta admit that. Fuck the forumdads and whales too, I guess. If they didnt hork and clap while flossing the shit out of their teeth with PGIs ass hair, we might have squeezed out something better for all.

Can't really blame the pig for being cunts when they have a group of dedicated rimjobbers who will like that shit clean regardless of what they do and pay out the arse for the privilege.
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>Ranked Mode has no Solo Queue

So it's fucking nothing.
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>yfw Clan Er Large laser is now 11 heat

holy fuck nice stealth nerfs pigii
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>>180301695
>its real
What the actual fuck it's not even in the patch notes

guess the beam duration reduction was just too much :DDDDD
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>>180301020

Its not even a good IP anymore. Seriously, who the fuck remembers this franchise other than old men. FASA failed to keep its IP relevant and create products for new generations. All FASA is anymore is a holding company that hands out IP to whoever. They let these shit licensees run whatever goodwill thats left into the ground, and once again, failing to hook a new generation of people to keep the franchise going.

All they have left is nostalgic old men. If the gamer dads had their way MWO would be a tab-target hotkey "gotta collect them all!" MMO tier shit fest.

About the only thing positive I can say about MWO anymore is at least they have Iglesias still doing the concept art.
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>>180301695

Literally time to go IS.

Clan isn't even worth it anymore if you're a tryhard.
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>>180301695
>he thought it would get a flat buff
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>>180304949
>flat buff
>0.5 second longer cooldown
>for just 0.15 seconds of less duration

It was a rather poor trade off. Especially when comparing with nigger sphere ERLL.
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>mememaster with under 1s duration erlls
wew
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>>180305469
>when the blastermaster is even better than before

lmao
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>>180305754
>top tier mobility
>top tier hardpoints
>top tier armor
>top tier engine potential
>top tier quirks
>PGI doesn't think this is broken

Welfare mode: MAXIMUM
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AYYYY lamo, I just played the cicada-2a on frozen city twice, It devolved into a deranged brawl both times, I shoot my alphas non stop and I NEVER had to stop to cool down, overheating was literally NEVER a concern, its absolutely broken they are at 3.4 heat, got 3 and 5 kills, commented how unfair it was, niggeroids when "lmao mine have no problem generating heat, equip more than one xd clans still op"
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So how long before all the clam loyalists switch over to niggersphere?
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>>180307130
within a week.
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Which light is gud for butt blasting now, since the cheater got gutted again?

WLF-2 with the new MPLS?
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>>180306701
Time to go ham with my enforcer then
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>>180307130

I'm literally doing it right now. I've been saving C-Bills to buy a full new drop deck worth of mechs, and as of now there is no reason at all to go clan.

They have objectively worse weapons and mechs than IS now. The only way you have any hope of keeping up is by running hyper specialized optimized builds on a limited few mechs.

IS you can pretty much just slap some shit on a wide variety of effective chassis and you're fine.
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>>180307342
cheater is still good if you know what you're doing.
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>>180307130
>stay in clam mechs
>play with old man davion grognards

i'd rather stay clam
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>cancer trait
>autism generator
>shitter collective

this is
LITERALLY
all i have been playing since the patch dropped

i am
FUCKING SICK
of this fucking shite

i want nice big open maps where to play with my giant robots not cancer corridors and buildings

unistalled already

i will be back if and when map voting finally goes fuck itself
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>>180309008
How's your fear of the group queue treating you?
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what's the other mechs that look similar to urbanmechs? There's a heavier weight one.
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>>180152096
Can we replace the Hawken link with a memorial at this point? The new devs promised to save the game for a year and then released an update that didn't just ruin the gameplay but introduced several game breaking bugs. Some people can't launch the game, others have no ground texture, the hitboxes don't work anymore, someone even said they lost their account entirely. "Many" people can't get into any matches due to skill level restrictions. They didn't nail the coffin shut; they used deck screws.
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>>180310006

There are Shitters,
There are pardos,

Then theres niggers like you.
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>>180310630
>game whose developers force LGBT shit down everyone's throats
>dead and buried
Good riddance.
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>>180310693
get brain cancer
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>>180290915

Oh look some one found some of my OC.
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>>180310693
This is untold levels of frustration.
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>>180310006
Lmao buddy, I play group queque twice a week with my buddies and its complete cancer, anyone who thinks its better than solo Q is delusional in my books.
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>>180311006
Alright whatever you say.
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>scouting
>enemy collects more than 10 nodes even though they're on defense
>extraction zone appears almost right in front of us
>we wait around, enemy doesn't show up until the dropship is already here and there's like a minute left
>they don't bother closing the distance until it's too late and we get away
EZ game.
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>>180307898
Mhh, you might be right. The duration buff might even benefit its fast, poking gameplay

>3. stage: Bargaining
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>it's another episode of every shitter comes back online to check the patch and to make the group queue and solo queue literally full of shit
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>loyalty summoners finally out for cbills

Nipple summoners galore, baby.

Also summoner ERLL hill humpers with 2x ERLL that reach out to 962m with 10% energy range from arm pods, 15% from skill tree and 5% from MK2 targeting computer.

hue hue eat shit nigga sphere.
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>>180310326
Imperator
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>>180310947

I donte think you understand what I meante
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>>180314334
U spel reel gud. U mus b ah hi skool gradjooate r sumfin.
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>those new explosions sounds when you blow up an enemies component at close range
wat
was this in the patch notes?
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>tfw reking shit with my 5SS
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Does the MAS block SRMs and SSRMs? Thinking of putting one with a half ton of ammo on my HBK-4G.
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>>180316790
Pardon me, AMS*
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I can't believe I always doubted the hunchie face flamer.

God damn, this shit has to be annoying to play against.
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>>180310326
Flashman and Imp.
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>some faggot on voice bitching about clan ERLLs being overbuffed

the fuck
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>>180311503
Still like the domination match where the other team ever showed up at all. It was the most puzzling experience.
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>that scouting bar
Well that didn't take long.
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>>180316915
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>>180316790
From what I understand it's a little jank against regular srms, but I know it works fine on streaks. Today's patch also is supposed to have buffed ams maximum and optimal ranges to help it work better against both srm types, though I haven't tested it myself yet.
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No idea what the fuck to do with my Florentine, aside from two lpl's two mgs, and two srm 4's or 6's. I guess I could make an asym poking type build. I hate the goddamn energy cancer boxes they attached to the RT though.
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>>180317480
Delicious spicy grilled clams, citizen.

Head flamer OP. Nobody expects a torso-less hunchback to do anything, but you can overheat everyone by that stage since they have no coolshots and bake them to a toasty 90% heat, and if they are stupid, which they are, they will shut down or use override and bake inside out.

People panic and try and run so they can cool down. It's pretty filthy desu. So dirty.
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>>180319417
>in real life head flamer would bake cockpit
>so would the reactors overheating

>but MWO has no mechanics related to this at all
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>>180318832
Your what?
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>mfw max engine toilet iic goes almost as fast as a locust
What kind of fun can I have with this? Already tried 4srm6 but its pretty light on ammo
>>
>>180320685
The hero crab that just released. A ballistic mount in each claw, two energy in RT, two missile in LT.
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>>180280092
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>>180320685
Do you even play?
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>>180320739
Just boat SRM 2s and two 4s in the CT.
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>it's another team-stands-around-on-a-hill-staring-at-eachothers-asses-until-the-enemy-team-decides-to-arty-and-push episode
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>>180319417
I didn't believe in the power of the head flamer, but I do now.
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>mfw 8 ERSL LBX20 Hellbringer
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What are the best IS heavies going to be post-civil war update? Also now, but especially ones that are good now and will be just as good or better then.

Time to prepare.
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>>180326785
>mfw imagining Roughneck with XL Lite engine, MRM20, and RAC/10
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>>180327000

That can currently be purchased for C-Bills, I might add.
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>>180327150
Marauder
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>>180327465

Too ugly, literally cannot.
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>>180319417
Truth, I use a head flamer on my Awesome 8Q and tards usually prefer eating ppcs than overheating.
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bemp
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>>180325425
> those konk shitters
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>Gauss / LRM 10 / CUAC-5 Ebon Jag
>Doing my best to prove this is a terrible idea.
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>>180334862
Seems a little tonnage intensive with all that ammo you're going to need if you are planning for any length of time. Should also take some minor energy weapons for when it runs out.
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Why is IS legging in scouting when they can tank more damage
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>>180337119
efficient
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>>180335473

I'm going to try removing the LRM10 and adding a CERLL
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play crossout
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>>180340020
No thanks. I'd rather not play a game whose name means 'to remove'
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>>180323957
Huehue welcome to the party, brother. Enjoy being a filthy scoundrel.

Also I've been seeing quite a few head flamers today, so good (when it's not happening to me, at least).
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Why do the fucking retards that infest the public queue seem to think that peeking out from the same rock over and over again to avoid taking damage is somehow a functional strategy?

It NEVER works.
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Anyone play Front Mission around these parts?
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>>180346523
neg
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>>180346523
Never have. What's it like?
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>nerf clam weapons
>get shrek'd

b-but muh OP energy weapons
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>>180346523
Only FM 4 years ago.
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>>180350716
>be nigger sphere
>play with retarded LRM/ LBX10 centurions, LRM hunchbacks, PPC vindicators and LIGHTS in the premiere 4v4 medium brawl game mode
>cry on forums about "clan op! waaaah!"
>clams get forced to take weaker mechs than nigger sphere, forcing them to run the highest burst damage builds or consign to getting inevitably slaughtered by overquirked 55 ton nigger sphere mediums
>clams getting wrecked hardcore by any competent group of 3-4 55 ton mechs with proper builds
>still bring subhuman dune baboon LRM mediums and ERLL lights
>proceed to get stomped by opponents that aren't as retarded as you
>cry on forms about "clan op! waaaah!"
>clams lose one of their primary equalizers, now forced to take "DPS" weapon loadouts against super high burst loadout mechs that also have survivability quirks to counteract the "DPS" capabilities
>STILL bring third world shitter sphere shitskin setups on your mechs and proceed to get wrecked by builds worse than your sides best

Nigger sphere randoms will always lose against even a semblance of co-ordination. And they will always ensure all clan options will keep getting nerfed, while anyone competent on nigger sphere can just waltz all over clan mechs without a care.
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>>180346523
we play crossout
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>>180310630

Soft launch.
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>>180351076
New clan scouting meta, ratting with nice ferrets and max engine toilets.
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lost a game due to corrupted files

had to verify it

Can't these guys fix simple shit?
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>>180361903
I keep getting """network issues/server issues" when trying to login. I have to do shit like flush DNS to fix it. Literally every other game has no issues.
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freakin bamp
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Who is kakos, and why can't he pilot a mech right?
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>escort is back
>incursion still not deleted
>kang crabs get LRM quirks
>AC20 nigger knights
>urbies keep whoop-whooping
>isLPL nerfed
>cSPL nerfed
>maddy 2C and niggyr nerfed
>fun nerfed

pls piggy make it stop
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>>180368282
Can't let clan assaults be good or have fun.
>no more spl memes for spurdo and exe
>kodiak and marauder handle like beached whales regardless of engine size
>whale still handles like a whale
>warcuck is still shit
>huelander is still a meme, huelander C lost the armor quirk and the ultra autocannon nerf fucked it's shit up even before that
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>>180368282
>escort is back
>incursion still not deleted
I thought you goys wanted new modes :^(

>AC20 nigger knights
reported, we don't need that kind of attidude in this community >:^(

>urbies keep whoop-whooping
ha ha ha, ikr XD
best thing since ghost heat ;^)

>cSPL nerfed
atleast the cSPLs duration is now shorter than IS LPLs :^)
totally viable my man :^)
thats what we Mechwarriors call balance, you know :^)

>fun nerfed
you are on an island buddy :^)
the blanket nerfs to fun are all in your head :^)

the game is so good now, why don't you buy a few mech packs my goy :^)

;^)

>mfw I'm playing MWO, the thinking mans shooter
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>>180369521
>supernova is the only one that has any semblance of mobility and firepower left
>Soon enough, nigger pigger will nerf the supernovas mobility to MAD-IIC levels to make way for the (g)oldmans mad cat mk2
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>>180369521
I am not sure if PGI understands "fun". I mean, it's nothing you can grab with stats. It is about comfort, enjoyment.
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>>180369765
I didn't even remember Superdoa existed while typing my post
>superdoa
>implying mobility
>implying firepower with mwo's heat sink mechanics and 2 large laser ghost heat limit for clans
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I think fully 2/3s of the games I've played since patch drop have been on damn ice maps.

A little variety in shit flavor would be nice.
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>>180370461
>tfw blarg with 1s er large lasers on cold long-range maps
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>>180369521
Warhawks are literally better than they ever have been.
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>>180370638
High quality dogshit is still dogshit.
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>>180370818
They're easily in the top 5 assaults post desync but alright sure
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>>180368282
>urbies keep whoop-whooping
PULL OVER.
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>>180371081
You know, I'd love to see a full 12man drop in these just for the sheer irritation factor.
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>>180369652
Hi BabyCakes, good to know you come here.
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>>180370461
Cold, long range maps.

Everyone with PPCs, LLs or LRMs want those maps, and that's 90% of the people playing.
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>>180370129
Supernovas are now the only clan assault that has acceptable levels of accel/ decel/ turn/ torso twist speeds while also being able to bring a competent laser vomit alpha.

I'm sure PGI will smash both of those sooner or later.
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>>180373272
>Everyone with PPCs, LLs or LRMs want those maps, and that's 90% of the people playing.

Maybe PGI shouldn't nerf the close and medium range options into oblivion if they don't want the entire playerbase to snipe or lob shitsticks all over the place.
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>>180373272
Knowing why doesn't make it enjoyable, particularly if you don't care to hillhump the whole damn match.
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>>180371028
>top 5 assaults
Nigga please there aren't even enough good assaults to have a top 5 now
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>>180373662
Supernova Battlemaster Warhawk Marauder IIC Kodiak
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>>180373530
>Maybe PGI shouldn't nerf the close and medium range options into oblivion
Yet they did nothing to IS nuke missiles and buffed the goddamn fuck out of IS ml.
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>>180373759
>supernova and warhawk
>good
Nice gorilla arms, cripple speed and crippled one point four times -heatsinks to go with all of those crippled energy weapons faggot
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>>180373070
How dare you compare my ironic post-ironic shitposting with that degenerate furry weeaboo horse fuckers autism rants? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Memetic Shitposting Uni, and I’ve been involved in numerous raids on tumblr, and I have over 300 confirmed triggereds. I am trained in frog warfare and I’m the top funposter in the entire /s4s/. You are nothing to me but just another (you). I will wipe you the fuck out with nice posts the likes of which has never been seen before on this board, mark my fucking memes. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, redditor. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spergs across the boards and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking DDoS'd, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can DDoS you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unmemed shitposting but I have access to the entire arsenal of the /r9k/, /s4s/ and /pol/ and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off this thread, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
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>>180373930
not now
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>>180373926
Yeah, SNV and WHK have low arms. Good thing they get HP quirks and good baseline mobility and particularly in the WHK's case reasonable weapon quirks.

SNV is king right now.
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>>180369652
>>180373930
fuck
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>>180373930
In other words, I guessed correctly and now you're just pretending to be offended.
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>BabyCrap666

I can't tell if that person is acting retarded, or is for real legitimately retarded. Like, brain damage. It's posts make me want to rinse my mouth out with an AC20
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New Kong fanfic when?
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bumpy ride
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>>180380654

>Pilot on the left is wearing a vest / onesie and socks.
>No pants, but maybe a strap-on harness.

Best outfit for comfy mech piloting obviously.
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IS shitter thinks he is invisible with ECM ERLL raven
Get called a hacker for blowing up his face with goose pepsi
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>>180384276

I was in a match earlier where someone was whining about "obvious third party apps being used".

Was havin a laff.
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>>180207113

>going to the literal embodiment of "feed the pig"

Howabout no?
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>>180283976

Mixtech basically kills half the available stuff, as you can then plug in whatever the fuck you want on whatever has the appropriate hardpoints.
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>>180385101
Does mixtech also works for engines?
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>>180387915

Mixtech would literally be everything. The only thing that wouldn't change is model and hardpoint placement, you'd be able to for broke otherwise.
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>>180346523
I've played a few of them. They're alright. Maybe someday we'll get a new one.
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I love the new clan scouting meta of taking as many AC20s as you can and just leg mechs.
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>>180391653
desu the only thing in mwo that makes me wish I wasn't an antisocial solo player is the prospect of doing lbx160 scouting drops
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>>180283976
MW6 either needs to be Star Leage Era before the Kerensky Exodus and Clans even existed or 3150+ era where the line between Clan and IS has blurred to the point that mixtech is found in official stock builds.
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What clan mech can tank the most damage for scouting games?
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>>180392061
Anything with armor quirks
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>>180392058
Be fun to do Homeworlds clan shit prior to invasion.
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>>180392058

This. The Clans vs. IS mechanic is tired. Just distinguish between clan tech and IS tech by having them balanced against each other but different. Just ditch the tabletop crap, it's actively a hindrance in a totally different medium.

You could easily get a wide variety of lasers by playing with the available numbers.

>Burn time
>Damage
>Heat
>Cooldown
>Falloff

Same goes for autocannons, and every other weapon type.

You could even make CW better by ditching the clan / IS separation. At the start of a season, everyone has to build a deck from a pool of mechs and tech available to everyone, with maybe a couple faction specific here and there for variety. By capturing or holding various planets your faction would gain access to additional mechs or equipment. So, as the campaign progresses you see changing loadouts and mech types.

Infinitely better than the bullshit we have now, and it would really stick in the metagamers craw too.
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Guys I am getting owned by IS mechs in scouting games

IS mechs keep destroying my legs
Teammates keep bringing lurm jenners and shadowcats

Please send help
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>>180393445

>These 15-20 mechs are available to all factions
>Each faction has access to an additional several unique mechs at the start
>This pool of basic weapons and equipment is available to all
>There's an initial time period where factions fight it out with the default gear
>As the campaign moves forward, new mechs and tech are "unlocked"
>The faction controlling the planets that have the factories for this tech have access to it
>They lose access to it when the planets are captured by another faction
>Galaxy and factories are randomized at the beginning of each new campaign
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>>180394527

>LRMs
>In scouting

Why do people do this? LRM's are only useful en masse, and mostly against low mobility or full potato targets
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>>180394527
I'm having the exact opposite problem, I'm getting killiated by Clanners while seeing LRM Hunchies and Trebuchets and Bushies.

Keep getting legged by Clanners bringing AC20 Hunchie IICs.

And 12 SPL Novas are still very much viable.
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>MWO Stats emphasize K/D ratio.
>Doesn't show damage ratio.

Useless. High damage pinpoint weapons like PPC and gauss just generate more kills, even with lower per match damage, because you're more likely to land the killing blow.
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>>180396603
>12 SPL novas are still very much viable

Probably because you're seeing LRM niggers on your team.

Against bullshit like 4x SRM6+A griffins or 6x SRM6 bushwackers it simply cannot compete.
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>>180397530

I guess I'm just shit, but man I can't hit things reliably with SRM's at all.
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what if the only stats determining rank would be damage effectiveness like damage to kill ratio subtracted by the amount of team damage dealt.
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https://mwomercs.com/news/2017/06/1846-summer-blast-rheroes-leaderboard-smoking-deals

Also this.
>The new Civil War: Escalation Early Adopter Deadline is now July 31st at 11:59:59 PM PDT (Aug 1st 6:59:59 AM UTC)
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>>180399838
>cbill sale
wew

Maybe I should buy that Mauler 1P so I can show everyone online you can do dual gauss dual pepsi on a shitter sphere assault mech
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>>180400439

>C-Bill sale.

Literally the only part I care about as well.

Might pick up a Mauler, Zeus, or Crab.
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Time to fess up everybody.

Admit how much actual currency you've given PGI. Get the shame off your chest and out into the open. The total sum of every dime you've handed them.

I'll start.

>$200
>Original legendary backer.

And not another penny ever again. Sure learned that lesson.
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>>180396991
MWO Stats emphasize average match score which counts everything you do in the match. Only shitters look at K/D.
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>>180402767
>$0
>there are fags still giving piggy money

wew lad
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>>180402767
I've never spent a dime and never felt the need to.
I've been playing for several years but typically I don't play a lot because the game is best in small doses.

I still have about 45 mechs just thanks to all the free events and random rewards.

I might buy Mechwarrior 5 because that's the sort of thing that interests me more.
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>>180403075

That's the incredible part to me.

I understand if you made the same mistake I did, and backed the game before it was out. After seeing how PGI actually managed to run the product, there's simply no excuse.
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>>180403087
>I might buy Mechwarrior 5 because that's the sort of thing that interests me more.
Same.
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>>180399838
Time to buy Urbanmemes and top every match
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>there are people in this thread who didn't buy kodiaks, aka the most fun that could ever have been had in this game.
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>>180403827

>Assault
>Fun

m8 I've tried and tried but I can't enjoy myself in an assault. You get focus fired by every enemy mech, you're too slow to stay with your allies if they aren't playing cooperatively, and your options for mounting weapons really aren't that much better than a heavy.

All you get it more armor, which doesn't help you much anyway when assaults are just begging to get facefucked as soon as you're spotted.

I'll take a well armored medium or a mobile heavy any time over an assault.
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>>180404465
>he doesn't know
>>
I seem to feel the exact opposite about MW5 than most people. PGIwarrior plays and feels like dogshit, PGIwarrior weapons feel like dogshit, PGI's AI work so far is dogshit, MW5 will have less tech and options than MWO has now because it's set in the old man meme era. MWO manages to be pretty fun because you can make all kinds of builds and ruse real people with them, but MW5 doesn't have those redeeming features.
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>>180404465
Kodiaks used to be agile with their big engines before they got nerfed to oblivion over multiple different patches and totally fucked in engine desync, and the weapons they used to use also got nerfed to the groud.
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>>180404465
bears were easy to play and ridiculously fun
uac bear will forever be the champion of all time
of all time
anyone who didn't buy when it came out has missed out big time
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>>180404864
>only two people played MW5 beta at mechcon and knows how it plays and feels
>russ cockgobbler and phil the shill

Which one are you pretending to be?
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>>180405368
>>180405000
>>180404646

>A mech was OP when it was introduced to make MCbabbies feel good.
>It got nerfed to be more in line with other heavies.
>"HAHA UR WRONG ABOUT ASSAULTS NERD THEY WERE FUN ONCE BEFORE NERF"

Good arguments.
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>>180405964

with other assaults*
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>>180405670
I think he's pretending to be a piggy employee, which makes even less sense.
>>
>that one guy who does not know about the victor
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>>180405964
>claims assaults can't be fun
>gets totally proven wrong
>haha good arguments

Just take the loss like something other than a little kid.
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>>180405964
You retarded or something? He said kodiaks were the most fun and buying them was worth it. That's it. He's not saying anything about assaults now dumbass.
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>>180405964
(((in line)))
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>>180405670
>>180406116

Is your reading comprehension stuck at an elementary level, you geriatric cumstains?

He literally said that MWO feels like shit, the implication being that the even more limited MW5 will also feel like shit.
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>>180407413
>plays and feels like dogshit
>MWO manages to be pretty fun

Haha, how much dumber can you faggots get?
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>>180407413
>complains about reading comprehension
>has none
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>>180407413

That people like you exist who flail and lash out with hate and stupidity on a level rarely seen makes me feel really worried about the future. I am comforted only by the fact that you're probably going to win a Darwin award soon and help out all of humanity.
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>>180407508
>>180407674

>PGIwarrior plays and feels like dogshit, PGIwarrior weapons feel like dogshit
>MWO manages to be pretty fun because you can make all kinds of builds and ruse real people with them
>but MW5 doesn't have those redeeming features

I really must be getting trolled at this point, nobody could possibly be so fucking stupid.

PGIwarrior in his post is obviously referring to MWO, not MW5 you mental midgets.
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>>180408171

I hope the social security and medicare programs crash and fail as soon as possible, leaving your ass hanging out in the wind and making sure you die sooner rather than later so you can't continue dragging me down with your vile boomer entitlement for decades.
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>>180408346

It's really sad that you think that would negatively affect me, I'd insult you further but I'm afraid it would be wasted on you. I pity you and your parents and anyone who's ever met you. Have a nice day, but just one.
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>>180407413
>guy obviously is talking about MW5 like he played it
>gets caught in an obvious lie
>nuh uh it was this far more stupid thing instead
lmao
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>>180408682

Are you dense?

>>180408194
God damn this playerbase doesn't deserve to live.
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>>180408542

Go jerk off to pictures of your daughter or something you pruned old sack of shit.

Stop pretending your pension didn't get wiped out during the market crash, maybe if you're lucky your almost certainly emotionally crippled offspring will be able to support your sorry ass.
>>
>>180408194
>PGIwarrior in his post is obviously referring to MWO, not MW5

except PGIwarrior is what everyone calls Mechwarrior
nobody calls MWO PGIwarrior dumbass
but please keep pretending you didn't get caught
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>>180408973
I can tell you're really trying, but honestly I still expected better.
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>>180409027

Keep backpedaling retard. Maybe eventually you'll even convince yourself you're right.
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>>180408973
>flails like a useless piece of shit even harder
>are you insulted yet? come on I'm really trying to insult you

kek
;^)
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>>180409027
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>>180404864
Were you one of those guys who claimed MWO was going to die all for the past five years? I bet you hated eating all that crow.

Are you going to cry when MW5 comes out and makes even more money for them?
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>>180409271
>>180409501
>I can find two obscure goldforum posts
>look how many people call it this, it's totally what all the cool kids use

lmao, go back to the goldforums faggot
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>>180399838
>literally uses grab these packs in the description

Must not have gotten very many sales that it had to be extended.
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>>180409656

First off, it's the same result. So one obscure post.

Second, it's proof that nobody calls MW5 PGIwarrior.

Literally the only reference that can be found to the term is in regards to MWO.

Your legs getting tired yet?
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>>180409656
It's not even two posts. It's literally the same post, linked twice. There's literally no one who calls MWO pgiwarrior for obvious reasons, despite whatever shit that guy has been smoking.
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>>180407413

>guy obviously is talking about MW5 like he played it
>gets caught in an obvious lie
>nuh uh it was this far more stupid thing instead
lmao :^)
>>
>>180410097

You already made this post trichrome.
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>>180410202

So is this all you got? Pretending to have played Mechwarrior 5 and pretending it feels like dogshit? Are you really upset about it? Why? Nobody cares about your feelings online.

The game will probably do well and there's nothing you can do about it.

But feel free to keep replying to me. I'm sure you won't come off as anymore pathetic simply because you can't.
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>tfw UE 4
>tfw endless stream of community created campaigns
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>>180410426

Literally nobody in this thread pretended to have played MW5.

Some anon made the assumption that it would be just as shit, but even more limited than MWO. Which I also believe is a fair assumption.

Does this bother your bottom that much? Do you have that deep of an emotional attachment to the idea of an unreleased game that you'll go to this length to defend it?
>>
Does that mean that this guy is Arnold The Governator, literally the only forum user to ever use the word "PGIwarrior"?
>>
>goldforum members trying to post here

fuck off forever faggots
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>>180411010

Why don't you go ahead and identify them for me, oh all knowing anon?
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>>180410856

This may come as a surprise but I actually couldn't care less about MW5. I just like catching people in lies, especially when they make it so easy.
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>>180411439

You actually manage to come off more autistic than most of 4chan. Impressive.

How many fedoras / trilbys / drivers caps do you own?
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>>180411572

>flails even harder
>why don't these insults work
>surely if I try all of them one of them should do it

Keep crying faggot :^)
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>that one guy who believes the other guy is autistic while not noticing his immense autism
>>
>goldforum faggots think they can spread their autismo here
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>>180411910
not now kakos
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less than 4 more weeks till new tech bois
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>>180412835
Expecting the new tech to give the illusion of freshness but the players will soon realize all the weapons are just stats variations of what is already in the game and nothing effectively will change. Need to have new weapon mechanics like indirect fire artillery and area effect to actually shake things up.
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>all these hunch iics in scouting right now
At last people see the light, shotguns for everyone
>>
>clan spl and ersl get nerfed hard
>clans are somehow doing better in scouting after patch
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>>180417223
It's not the mech, it's the pilot.
>>
Did they stealth buff clan srms or fix the hit detection or something, they feel way better than before.
>>
When is the civil war update happening? Will the timeline of faction play be advanced?
>>
>1k faction match score challenge
>do it in one match
lmao
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>>180419747
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>>180419747
Next month.
Why wouldn't it?
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Look at this gay piece of shit
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>>180421675
How would they do that with the whole FedCom thing and the lack of real clan conquests?
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>>180424427
Davion fights Steiner, Clan fights Clan, sometimes Clan fights with IS against other Clan and IS in FedCom territories, everyone fights everyone.

Basically almost exactly the same.
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>>180424909
just generic everyone fights everyone would be alright really
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>>180424909
I would love to see a anyone can fight anyone scenario.
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>>180424274
Is that green pixel a linebacker?
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>>180396991

Nor do they show KMDD, which might even give you an idea of who's doing the fucking work vs. the shitter in his ERLL Raven being a kill vulture.
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Is this meme worth it?

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=145&l=65d4e65f0586904393e9a5ea8b2f8dd98e766af6
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>>180402767

Zero. F2P Clanner scum.

>>180403827

Till the nerfs, anyway.
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why do people shoot lurms within minimum range
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>>180433119
nice
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>>180436435
noice
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General Tso Wen?
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>>180435073
People who use lurms tend not to be the most competent people. They probably don't even know what is happening since durr me push button and shot dudes me gud at mech.
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Are there any variants worth buying during this sale?
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>>180440017
noise
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So I'm super new to MWO.

I have enough 17m C-Bills so it's probably time to buy something. I've been finding myself LRM boating or brawling with AC's.

Thinking of grabbing the Kind Crab or Mauler now that there is a sale on.

Can someone guide me a bit here?
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>>180443198
Following variants are okay:

>WLF-2 (6x ML or 5x MPL)
>ENF-4R (3x LL 2x ML)
>BL-6B-KNT (basic laser vomit 3x LPL 4-5x ML)
>MAL-MX90 (either 4x UAC5, 5x AC5, or 6x AC2)
>KGC-000 (6x AC2, soon to be 6x LBX2 + SRM6s or lasers)
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>>180443787
Mauler MAL-MX90 with either 5x AC5's or 6x AC2's.

Loads of dakka, really good.
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Oh god alpine dom shows up in faction warfare. Ewwww.
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>>180444312
cool
>>180443928
King Crab loadout to be upgraded soon or something?
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>>180444608
"New" tech soon.
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>>180444608
Inner sphere getting clan equivalent and some completely new weapons and equipment next month.

LB 2-X's weigh 1 ton less but take 3 slots more compared to the regular AC2's, so if PGi goes with tabletop values then that 6x LB 2-X build won't be possible on the king crab, but a 4x LB 2-x + 2x AC2 build will be. That's still 4 tons you can put into a new Light Fusion Engine or into ammunition.
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make game alive again
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>>180444686
Looking forward to it.
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I have been seeing mucho clam goose pepsi tonight, at least 4 in every team.
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>>180450791
>ERLL is "bugged" at 11 heat, making ERLL the most inefficient weapon in the game
>LRMs are garbage
>UAC's autojam bug coupled with pgi's increased jam chances
>normal laservomit for clans was nerfed
>SRMs for clans is worse than an LBX20 in spread
>other clan ballistics are even more garbage
>only efficient option left for clans, especially against "ayy lmao 0.99 second duration IS so skill" ERLL spam
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>even random pubs are organizing legging in scouting because they've realized IS mediums are built like brick shithouses and you can't afford to play fair
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great game. you either munchkin or fail
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What is this XP conversion thing? Is it for converting XP to GXP or XP to skill points?
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>king crabs on sale
Which one should I get? Leaning towards the 0000 since it has more hardpoints for missiles, but not sure if I want to lose out on dakka build potential. Since it has a more even distribution of hardpoints, should I get the 0000B instead?
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>>180457343
Just play a turret defense flash game instead. The King is dead.
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>Leaderboards running
>Not updating at all
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>still need assists in a medium for the challenge
>keep getting kills because teammates are incompetent and keep hiding
I've always hated that feeling I get when I'm doing better than everyone else on my team, because it usually means they're all doing terribly, but I'm feeling it even more right now.
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>Have an 8x vote multiplier
>Still wind up having to play on lurmlands because jackasses
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>>180456275
It's for converting 'mech XP to GXP.
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>>180457343
Get the 0000, it has the most variety and is the most unique.
You can do the ol goosepepsi or goose + lls for long range or go deadside quad asrm6 + ac20 for extra tanky brawling with minimal spread as long as your shielding's on point.
It'll also gain even more versatility with newtech(snub pepsi, mrms, heavy goose).

Next best would be the classic 000, for dakka and even more dakka when newtech is out, but I would say that it's worse than the mauler mx90(also on sale) at the job.

000B is a wierd middle ground between the two.
Can do the goose + pepsi/lls but not as well as the 0000 due to worse querks.
Doesn't brawl as well as the 0000.
It can do the 4x uac5+mls but can't do 6x ac2 unlike the 000.
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>>180462096
New to the game here. What is the goose and pepsi meme?
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>>180463447
Gauss + (er)ppc for instant pinpoint damage at range.
Usualy more of a clan thing since they were introduced, but some IS robots can pull it of as well.
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>>180462096
>heavy goose
>on king crab

Man i got some bad news for you.
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Is Hawken still alive?

I used to enjoy it back when it first came out but my potato PC couldn't run it very well. I'd like to blow people's minds with my alpha-version skins.
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>I'd like to blow people's minds with my alpha-version skins.

It's a completely different game and it's also complete shit. Rest in fucking peace Hawken, so much potential completely squandered by retarded devs.
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>>180464512

Ded.
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>>180463590
Ah hell that's near. Thx.
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ded
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>>180469565
berry ded
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>>180466650
Epic
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>challenge to kmdd heavies and assaults with lights or mediums
Time for lurm hunch iic
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>>180471273
Srmbomb bushi to the rescue
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>>180471273
>KMDD heavies or assault with medium
>UaC/20 + 8x ERSL stormcrow, 80 damage alpha strike right into a side torso
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Where can I get some mech games for the PC that aren't 2d sidescrollers? GOG doesn't have shit and neither does Steam.
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>>180476031
Mwomercs.com
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>>180452062

It does seem a little out of control how often the C-UAC/5 jams. As much fun as it can be to use, it's not worth it when every time you engage you're only going to get 1-3 bursts off before you have to retreat unless you just want to stand there and get blasted.
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>>180476031
Brigador is on Steam. The older Mechwarriors and Mech Commander (or what the fuck it's called) are shareware and MWLL is still somewhat alive. Don't even think about Hawken.
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Sorry for the newbie question, but what is a kmdd?
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>>180476541
Some guy said there's a bug right now where clan ultras can jam on single shots, and it only happens on live servers and not testing grounds or private games.
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>>180476031
Mechwarrior series, mechcommander, heavy gear, supreme commander. Shits pretty slim pickings and fuckin old to be honest. Get a ps2 emulator and have fun with armored core, front mission, zone of the enders.

As to where; torrents most likely, mw4 was free to dl from microsoft iirc.
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>>180476679
Kill most damage dealt. Pretty self explanatory, yes?
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>>180476031
Pic related isn't bad either.
Also you could always emulate the Mechwarrior game for PS1, and those NDS mech assault games. I don't know if the XBOX Mech Assault games are emulatable.
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>>180476865

It's one of those things that only seems obvious once you know already.

Thanks.

>>180476786

I'm not sure I believe it, because I know how pervasive confirmation bias can be, but I feel like I've experienced this very thing.
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>>180477437
>Xbox emulation

Nope. Still not happening.
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>>180477437
Shogo was pretty damn fun.

>>180476031
Heavy Gear 2 was hella good, if you can find a copy, and get it working on a modern machine.
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>>180477824
>Heavy Gear 2 was hella good, if you can find a copy, and get it working on a modern machine.

Well someone could always make an extra partition on their machine and install an older operating system just for old games. I do that.
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Can someone explain to me in concrete terms why most "suggested" builds only utilize 1-2 types of weapon?

I understand that matching effective ranges allows you to pour the most damage out at those specific ranges, but isn't that kind of pigeonholing yourself into specific engagement scenarios? I mean sure, it'll work great if you can limit yourself to engaging on your terms, but it's hard to guarantee that especially when playing with randos.

If you mix say, a Gauss with an LRM and a couple of lasers, you've got great ranged pinpoint, a way to continue hitting an enemy when they drop beneath your line of sight, and some energy weapons for close engagements where it's hard to guarantee hits from the gauss or when you're out of ammo.

Sure, you're limiting your potential DPS at all ranges, but you're also much more versatile allowing you to keep hitting opponents as they present themselves at any range. Is it really worth limiting yourself to a "boating" build over mixing a few different situational weapons?
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>>180476541
Clan ultra autocannons have a bug where it's possible for them to jam even if you never double tap just by holding the trigger down.

And for whatever reason, the system seems to count every UAC shot you make from multiple weapons as part of the same jam percentage, so having massed ballistics practically guarantees one or more of them to jam after the first shot.

So, massed ballistics increasing jam chance + jams possible even on first shot and never double tapping = UACs are super unreliable weapons, like playing russian roulettte.

And clans are forced to use them, because normal clan autocannons are even more garbage AND take more space!

>>180476786
The jam bug does happen in private games. Just not in the Academy or Training grounds maps.
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>>180478417
>but isn't that kind of pigeonholing yourself into specific engagement scenarios?

Yes, and that's the point. With skill in positioning you can maintain/attain your particular bracket. The caveat to this is brawling in solo queue, that's more team reliant than anything else.

What will happen if you take LRMs, Gauss, and Lasers is that at range you will be outtraded by a mech that didn't spread things around, etc. At all ranges you will be outperformed and thus your weakness is present in every situation you can find yourself in.

In solo queue, sure, try it all you want. If you're any good you can use any build you want and put up great numbers in solo queue. In group queue and anything organized, though, you will either be kited or closed in on by a coordinated team and realize why limiting your DPS in a bracket build is a bad idea.
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>>180478417
>you're limiting your potential DPS at all ranges
That's exactly it. You will lose at all ranges if you mix your shit. Except if you are a low tier steambirth shitter, then it doesn't matter. Do what you want.
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>>180478417
Even on the same range, weapons with different projectile speeds and facetime can be suboptimal to manage. Bracket builds don't really work because you're spreading out your effectiveness instead of a sweet spot where all of your shit works. Also LRMs are pretty bad in this game.

There are a couple of mechs that can benefit from some weapon mixing if they're limited by hardpoints and engine size, highlander IICs have spread out hardpoint types and crazy amounts of free tonnage which allows/forces memebuilds, for example.
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>>180478417
If this were table top there is value in your assessment, but this isnt.

Boating is optimal for a couple reasons. Pinpoint damage is king, pinpoint damage at range is double king. This is why ppc/gauss has been at the top since forever, even in tabletop. Ballistics and missiles dont mix outside of ac20/srms.

Lrms are shit weapons, lets get that out of the way first. They require locks to hit anything not stationary, spread damage all over a mech, and can be countered by ams. Plus they compete for space with all the ammo needed. The more ammo in your mech, the easier it is to pop like a fiery pinata.

Then there is just simple tonnage concerns. There is only so much tonnage to go to wrapons when you eant to optimize armor, heatsinks and engine size. Ballistics eat tonnage like no ones buisness and provide damage for low heat, this couples well with lasers/ppcs which are the opposite. You do not need lock on to use them effectively.

Id continue but i need to get back to work.
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13253448
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>>180482091
>no "I don't give a fuck" option
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>>180482476
>The only winning move is not to vote
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>>180482926
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>>180479412

>In solo queue, sure, try it all you want.
>In... anything organized... you will either be kited or closed in on.

Alright, that makes sense and I suppose sums up my experience. It's important to distinguish between solo quick play and CW, because the games just typically play out differently. It's incredibly rare to see any real coordination in solo queue, though it does happen from time to time.

For the longest time I was running only focused "meta" builds, and while sometimes it worked out great, other times I found myself sitting outside effective range unable to do anything without overexposing myself or missing out on committing useful amounts of damage in brawls with long cooldowns and constantly getting opportunities for shots blocked by team mates.

Recently I starting trying some mixed builds in solo and, while everything said about limiting DPS at various ranges is true, I found while my damage in good matches rarely peaked as high, my results were much more consistent and averaged higher.

I guess I just need to run different builds for solo queue vs CW.

>>180479537
>>180480436

>Getting out traded.

Makes sense in theory, but I honestly rarely end up in one on one engagements where I'm just trading DPS. That said, I do see the benefits of being able to focus fire all your weapons at certain ranges when rolling with a group as well.

>>180481071

Makes sense.

Thanks for the info everyone. Just a low tier shitter trying to understand the game better, and maybe, some day, actually git gud.
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>>180478417
I'll paint some quick scenarios to underscore what others have replied with.
1) A Scorch player decides he wants to brawl. LBX 20 x2 and SRM 6 x4 and off he goes. At medium range he just has the cannon to rely on, at best out to 400. Once he closes to 300 (skill tree range quirks) he starts deleting mechs. The player has to rely on his team and he also has to be patient to get into a situation where he starts crushing people, but he has that capability.
2) An Ebon Jaguar player goes with 2 large pulse lasers and say, 4 ER medium lasers and wants to play the medium range game only. He wants to engage at ranges of 500-400 meters only. He can't torso twist well to spread damage. He does deliver a crippling alpha strike to one location if he is patient. If he relies on his team and avoids brawls at all costs, he is devastating.
3) The PPC / Gauss build Night Gyr pilot spends a LOT of time practicing the long shot and leading targets, and timing enemy peeks. He wants to stay at the same ranges as the Ebon Jag player above, but he has a larger range envelope at the cost of putting in more practice for the skill. Again, he relies on his team to buy him time or draw off fire so he can be constantly staying at his range and constantly firing. This mech is a killer.

Now let's take a Battlemaster player that has a PPC, some medium lasers, an LRM, some SRM's, and machine guns. His long range damage is pitiful because it's a mix of sandblasting and pinpoint with mixed exposure time. His short range is utter crap because it's an afterthought investment in tonnage for fighting at that range. His medium ranged damage might actually be fair, but again - is he capable of torso twisting or peek shots with that mixed weapon loadout. Most certainly not.
In this game it is very, very okay to be a specialist. If you want to go the generalist route, look your weapons over HARD and ask "can I torso twist, can I peek shoot, can I USE them all with closely matched cooldowns?"
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>>180484343
Won't get good without playing in group queue honestly. Feel free to join us in mumble or go find some other group if you want, either way, MWO is a team game and best played in that format.
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So what is making my mech blow up, showing me as destroying myself in chat, when I'm standing still, no heat and I'm not firing a weapon.
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>>180485682
Record it
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>>180485682
Ghost Overheat
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>>180485682
>>180485936

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/comments/6hrn3q/bug_bear_encounters_ghost_ghost_heat/
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>>180485682

Standing outside of bounds. Why this is even a thing, I don't know, but it happened to me in a CW drop earlier. I embarrassingly managed to die before my team had even engaged.

The markers on the ground / map are visible but not glaringly so, and the audio warning is easy to miss if there's a lot of battle noise or you're listening to music.
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>Ranked mode aka 8v8 can't be played by anyone
>No solo queue either

What is the fucking point of wasting development time in a feature that can NOT be used by the community unless you have a 8 man team connected at the same hours against another 8man team at the same hours that is ALSO nearby you so you don't have a lagfest in a fucking dying game?

No one new is fucking coming into MWO. Not even HotS does this shit.

PGI are truly the retards of this generation.
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>>180487094
Grim Plexus?

The area on the right side when you're attacking is noteworthy for killing unaware pubbies since the OOB is in a retarded place and has never been changed.
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>>180487456
>PGI are truly the retards of this generation
You are five years behind everyone else if you are realizing this now.
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Redpillme on the state of MWO right now

I haven't played since before the masteries patch and stuff

I only want to brawl. Is brawl now a thing? or do we still have peekaboo instant deathrays.
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>>180484448

Thanks for the response.

As previously stated, all the scenarios you mention make sense. When running a focused build, if I can get into a position where I'm really able to take advantage of the strengths of my loadout, the results are always good naturally.

I like the idea of brawl loadouts and they're a blast when a deathball forms, but I typically avoid them. Far too often when trying to run something with a ~300m optimal range, I spend most of the game peeking and relocating while getting hit by searchlight lasers and dodging LRMs, waiting for a push that never happens. Lights are an exception here.

I've tried the PPC/Gauss thing and it's great when you can just hammer someone at range, but as soon as I get closed on it's too unforgiving. You miss that PPC shot or something obstructs your line of fire in the brief window your Gauss is charged before it cancels and you're losing a lot of potential damage every time.

ERLL have a different problem entirely, where it's hard to keep your damage focused at close ranges, or even on target for the full burn time.

I've had pretty good luck with LPL / ERML loadouts, because they offer great alpha and you can usually get a little damage in even at fairly far ranges. Burn times are shorter than ERLL and cooldown is more forgiving than PPC / Gauss, but at the cost of pinpoint damage.

Recently in solo queue I've been messing with a C-Gauss + C-UAC/5 EBJ with decent success. I've tried a CERLL and ERPPC, the PPC leave ammo pretty slim and the CERLL increases exposure time, so it's probably just a bad idea. The CUAC is incredibly handy when distances close, and still provides some decent extra damage at range. I guess I need to just give up on the mixed shit and throw another laser blaster build together or something.
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>>180484502

I guess I'll have to try dropping into mumble. Any reason you guys are still using that instead of discord? Not that I really mind, it's just one more program that will be cluttering up my system tray and second monitor that I could do without.

I'm worried I'll get harassed constantly and people won't want me in their groups because I'm potato, though.
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>>180489574
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>>180471038
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>>180488870
It's fun for geriatrics with non functioning hands or brains thanks to the nerfs to mobility which encourage a much more static gameplay while reducing the overall TTK. Only a few mechs with low engine caps and a lot of survival quirks are fun and they will be nerfed to shit after the old men realize they cant LRM their way to victory in the underhive. Clan brawl is dead thanks to shitters whining about already underpowered weapons (and SRMs still hitting every component while facetanking with lower dmg). IS brawl is still somewhat there. Expect nerfs soon since the game is clearly moving to much more pure sniper fest style gameplay. If you are a Stockholm Syndrome whale, you will keep on believing the game is the best thing since sliced bread. And if you are such a whale, I have nothing but hate for you.
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>>180490008
>brawltards
TTK was objectively increased because of the survival skills nigga
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What's the best niggerknight?
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>>180490460
Only on a few mechs. The overall TTK is lower thanks to the decreased damage spreading. Or thats how it is in tier 1 and CW. I haven't played with my alts so I can't honestly say anything about the lower tiers. Maybe the lower skill level combined with all that armor/structure buff actually increases the TTK in the ghetto.
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>>180491753

>Alts

Literally why. Stat padding?
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>>180490008
>>180490460
>>180491753
Get your shit together, is the TTK lower or higher now overall?

I fucking love high TTK brawl and loathe low TTK sniping in this game. First it seemed like they were pushing towards the first. What is it then?
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>>180491892
Meming around with shit tier mechs that are in no way viable in higher tiers.
>>180492021
I'm way too drunk to be typing on my 3rd language just so you know. The TTK is low as fuck. No mech can twist anymore so they get cored straight away. You will wait like a good goy behind a hill for some shitter to peek and kill him when he takes 3 days to back in to cover. Thats the gameplay now. No more pushing, brawls or peeking. Just static firing lines. And snipers of course, because the brawl weapons were nerfed to shit so that ERLL boats and goose pepsis won't have to worry about someone molesting their butts.
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>>180492772
>I'm way too drunk to be typing on my 3rd language just so you know. The TTK is low as fuck. No mech can twist anymore so they get cored straight away. You will wait like a good goy behind a hill for some shitter to peek and kill him when he takes 3 days to back in to cover. Thats the gameplay now. No more pushing, brawls or peeking. Just static firing lines. And snipers of course, because the brawl weapons were nerfed to shit so that ERLL boats and goose pepsis won't have to worry about someone molesting their butts.

Can this be just because people aren't putting points on those skills or is it just because they suck and everyone's minmaxing damage output?

I mean, is it because people don't know how to theorybuild and play or is it because it's just ass balance right now?
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>>180492987
I really don't have enough data to start guessing why shit is like it is but I can still say it is like it is. I have been playing since beta and I can say that the TTK has been decreased but the average match time has been increased compared to pre-Tuk3, but the TTK is no where near what it used to be in the days of "OH-GOD-WE-DONT-KNOW-WHATS-HAPPENING" days of PGI. So, shit is fucked but not as fucked as it could be and I don't know exactly why shit is fucked.
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>>180492987

It's because "good players" are too afraid to do anything but sit back and snipe with their ERLL / Goosepepsi mechs, and small lasers have been nerfed to shit because of buttmad snipers who kept getting raped by lights and fast mediums.

Clans can't brawl because their regular AC suck ass, and their UAC jams too much.

As shit as PGI is, the biggest thing wrong with this game is the playerbase.
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Is the Panther any good? It is one of my house's main mechs, so i feel obligated to buy it/
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>>180494252

>Lorefagging.

Come off it man.
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>>180494327
>not lorefagging
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>>180494446

"Lore" is retarded in a PvP online game. It's completely irrelevant and entirely cringey. People who are too attached to lore are one of the main reasons horrible game design decisions are made.
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>>180494446
>lorefagging
Just go in to slumber and wait for MW5 like a good electronic old man.
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>that one guy who thinks that lorefagging isnt the only way to play games
>he thinks metafagging and complaining about balance to a bunch of jews and cucks who don't give shit about anything is actually relevant

what a bunch of old sad men
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>>180495720

>Implying that it isn't sad old men who want to lorefag.

Look, munchkin "meta" tryhards are just as bad. Lorefags aren't any better, though.
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>>180495893
You can be either or the other, there is no middleground, never was.
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>muh twist
Good luck rolling damage from gaussppc or srms+ac. And I love how idiots keep going on about long range ttk being too low and brawling being good because of high ttk, when brawling weapons like IS nuclear srms are straight up the fastest way to blow someone up.
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>>180496029

What, casual semi-competitive players who don't give a fuck about lore don't count?
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>Play MWO with my new friend "CoyoteStorm" on Teamspeak
>He's a Kuritan piloting an LRM HBK IIC in what seems like tier 5
>Do consitent quadruple digits
Hmm
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>>180496565
I'm not sure how I feel about this Accurs3D.
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So I've been meaning to buy a Crab and now they're on sale.
Do I go with the 27SL or the 27B(c)?
I probably want to put pulses on either
How useful are Jumpjets on a crab?
I like a lot of the other stuff in the 27SL but I kind of like the hardpoints on the 27B better.

Also I'm probably going to pick up an urbie because they're cheap (before upgrades) and seem like they could be fun.
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>>180496565

>Quadruple digits.
>With LRMs.

Post proof. LRM's are too unreliable a weapon to carry enough ammo to post consistent 1,XXX damage.
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>>180496563
>casual semi-competitive players who don't give a fuck about lore

sounds like full blown autism

it's like that guy who drinks coke light but still stuffs himself with sweets and junkfood
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So, is the Panther good or not? I don't care if you guys call me a lorefag just because I''m loyal to the house I play on the tabletop.
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>>180496941
The (C) Champion version is MC only and comes with a C-Bill bonus.
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>>180497283
Yeah I've got the MC on hand still from when I got some back when they had a Cicada I wanted as a bonus with MC purchase.
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>>180497225
its ok, fun to dick around in
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So what's this Maint. supposed to fix?
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>>180489390
some Ebon Jaguar pilots look their possible hardpoints over and will invest a meager 3 tons into 6 Er small lasers for the point blank combat, and toss all the other tons into a more specialist range role. On paper it looks dumb, but having faced against it I can attest that it's a worthy strat.
It's sort of like how some MAD IIC pilots will go 3 ER PPC's and 6 Er Smalls with a 375 engine and close to 26 heat sinks. It patiently blows stuff up at range and if something drops down to the 240 meter range or less, they use the heat friendly option of delivering 30 damage per volley.
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>>180495720
>implying I wouldn't want some lore flavor
Playing lore matches with pre-determined stock mechs would be so much fun. But against non-stop meta russkis and all the EU comp fuckers I really can't bring anything but something actually viable. But the meta matches are sometimes just pure crystalline fun when you can get good teams on both sides.
>tfw got my wolfhound into a skirmish match filled wih EON, Lord, EMP and sorted other fucks and no non-unit pubbies
>tfw everybody moves as one body and supports each others peeks and covers each other when we start to lose ground
>tfw I was the last one alive hounding 3 enemy heavies and got 2 of them
>last hopper was a tickle away from losing his XL but got me when I took a right instead of doing a 180 behind a building
>tfw the Lord on my team said "good run wolfhound"
>that was the only team comm in the match
>800+ dmg and 3 kills with 2 LPLs
>the match took 13 mins of non stop action
Actual high tier meta matches are so much fun when they actually happen. Everybody knows what they are doing. It is just such a shame all the shitters can reach tier 1 with enough time and even if they don't, they will be mixed with the better people. And that is what makes for shit matches for all involved.
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>>180496987

>I actually work a professional full time job.
>No time for constant shifting meta bullshit or "practice"
>Video game lore is a retarded unless it's a deep single player RPG.
>I like to play a few matches of MWO here and there in the evening.
>I like MWO because it's slower paced and has a lower skill cap than arena FPS / CS / etc.
>But it has better and more interesting mechanics with a wider choice in playstyle than WoT / WT / etc.
>Winning is still more fun than losing.

What's so hard to understand about this?

Oh wait, I must be a -~!*&%^xXxNORMIExXx^===3. I forgot I'm not welcome here.
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>>180497436
I had a feeling you were looking at the bonus Mech for MC purchase deal going on. I can't really suggest a Champion Mech unless it's a freebie.

>>180497508
https://mwomercs.com/news/2017/06/1848-hotfix-scheduled-for-22jun2017
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>>180496563
>casual semi-competitive
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>>180497583

I might have to try something like that. Is Ebon Jaguar the most versatile clan heavy? Sure seems that way, it has a huge variety of mount options, good pod space, and solid free tonnage.

I kind of want to add a Mad Dog so I own the "clan heavy trifecta" of MDD / TBR / EBJ. It seems pretty limited to SRM / LRM builds though.
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>>180496565
in the lower tiers players are constantly skilling up fresh mechs or using Trial mechs, which means they lack full radar deprivation. If the Lurm player is using maxed radar decay and mixes in some jump jets, an interesting thing happens.
The player can lock onto a target using someone else's lock, jump up just high enough to visually see the enemy, and then their lock translates into a personally acquired one. At that point, ALL of their target decay + artemis is fair game. He can push the button, fall from the jump, and the full volley gets seven (7) full seconds of the lock being retained even if a wall is now blocking LOS.
If you are patient and have a bit of skill, you can literally lob LRM's at lowbies for free with the majority of your missiles slamming into them.
In higher tiers where everyone takes the full 5 points of Radar Deprivation, it negates the points in target decay fully and the moment LOS is lost, the lock is lost unless someone else is providing it.
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>>180497768

As in, actually try just a little bit not to be full potato, and attempt to play cooperatively when possible.

Instead of the true "casual" player who runs face first into the enemy or snipes with a single ERLL from 1000 meters.
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>>180497664
>hotfix
>doesn't fix the uac jam bug
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>>180497583
The ebon jaguar is in a very good place at the moment as it was left nearly untouched by the engine decouple for agility. For a 65 ton mech, it has absurdly good hardpoint options to go with its mobility and durability.
But speaking of durability, it does have a sore spot. It has no bonus armor or structure, and people can blow off side torsos with ease because most Ebon Jag pilots take the laser vomit build that screws over their ability to torso twist during weapon cool downs, or when you are anticipating a shot coming in and want to twist the damage.
If you can recognize that shortcoming and can deal with it, it's one of the best clan heavy mechs available.
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>>180497985
>In higher tiers where everyone takes the full 5 points of Radar Deprivation
What's the point in spending a fuckton of points to counter the worst weapon in the game
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>>180498436

Because muh "I hate LRMs!". They're more concerned with being smug about the 20 LRMs that just slammed into the ground next to them than the AC/20 round that stretches their anus.
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>>180497225
Personally I like my Wolfhound a hell of a lot better than my Panther, but it's still a good mech.
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>In higher tiers where everyone takes the full 5 points of Radar Deprivation

people still fall for the sensor tree meme, explains why the tier 1 solo queue is so dogshit
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When are the servers coming back online? I need those warhorns.
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>>180488870
TTK is much higher now that every mech has 40% more hitpoints than they did before. Brawling is the #1 way that most good teams play. Longrange snipers and lrmboats are cowards and cowards lose every time.
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HURRY THE FUCK UP PIG
I WANT TO PLAY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>180497890
Ebin does everything except missiles. And that's what the crazy canine is for.
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>>180496941
So yeah, anyone actually run Crabs? any recommendations of which crab is better crab?
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>>180498724
>tier 1s fall for the sensor tree meme
>the youtubefags fall for the sensor tree meme
All dose skillpoints
All dose hamboigars
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>>180499048
Shiiiet, I want to be a low tier too. That actually sounds fun.
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>>180500258

Tier 5 potato here, can confirm the game is fun as a potato playing with other potatos.

Bad matches I hit I hit 200-250 damage. Average matches 300-350. Good matches I hit 400-500. Rare great matches maybe 800.

You can bring pretty much any mech, with any build you want and as long as it's not actually useless and you can get into position to use your weapons, it's fun.

Occasionally you get a match where the teams just play hide and seek and eventually mechs on the edges get picked off until it cascades, but pretty frequently it turns into a furball clusterfuck and you can just stand at optimal range slinging fire at all the other potatoes running around with no idea what to do until someone decides to go for blood and facetank you until you or they die. If they die first, you can retreat to the outskirts and plink with your remaining weapons until the match is over.

If I ever hit tier 3 I'm going to quit playing for a while or start memeing even harder in the mechlab.
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>>180500258
Just make a new account and wreck.
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>>180500887

Oh, and make sure you put all your points into firepower and survivability. Anything that keeps you shooting longer or helps core out enemy mechs faster is a go. Anything that assists in "tactical" play is a waste.
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>>180496689
You can feel however you want to

>>180497985
>>180496953
Accidentally deleted a line, meant to say that I was doing consistent quad digit damage with a laser HBK IIC when dropping together. I think lots of people had no skill nodes in structure so they got deleted.
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>>180501429
You really didn't have to say my name :(
To be fair, this is what happens when you play with someone brand new.
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Are any of the king crabs good if you keep the stock AC/20s?
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>>180502605

What you're looking for is 6 x AC/2 anon. Maximum DPS / Dakka.
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>>180503098
Isn't 4x AC/5 strictly better for dakka? And aren't 2 AC/20s better for alpha and close range brawling?
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>>180502605

Yes, all of them except Kaiju get -15% cooldown to AC20s through quirks. You can pair it with a PPC for better ranged poke, or pair of SRM6 for better brawling.

>>180503098

>AC2 macro crab

Only a meme. Doesn't even have good dps considering the shit you have to put up with.
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>>180496941
Well, they wiped away some of the quirks that better helped to distinguish the variants. I like both personally, but if you want it just for pulse boating, I'd go with the sl. I've been running the b forever though, and finally managed to break 1k, which for a potato like me, felt pretty good.
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>>180504630

>Only a meme.

Sure, but it's a fun one. It's kind of like an ultra heavy MG, you just hose things down at almost any range. The cockpit shake is extra annoying.

Toss in a pair of flamers to really piss people off at close range.
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Why does the KGC-000 have worse ballistic quirks than the other King Crabs, if it has more ballistic slots?
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>>180505658
because reasons
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>>180505658

Same reason the KGC-0000 has the worst missile quirks and best ballistic quirks.

You're just trading quirks for hardpoints.
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>>180505658

""""""""""""""""""""""""""balance"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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>>180502472
>Being afraid of name-dropping

Nigger please
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>>180505658
Some mechs are given quirks to further increase their effectiveness at boating something because they are currently weaker than other choices for various reasons. Some mechs are given quirks to slightly normalize their performance against their other variants with more hardpoints, or to encourage their use with bigger guns (in this case, AC/20s).
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>queue 36% mediums
No wonder it's taking me forever to find a match
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WICH D L C SILD I BUY DURUNG THE STIM SALE
TELLME TELLME TELLME
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>>180511024
TELLME TELLME TELLME
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>>180511024
All of them.
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>>180511024
>>180511569
T E L L
M
E
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>>180511024
For what game?
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heh,
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I didnt even knew you could get scores like this in clan war
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play crossout
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take two
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>>180514090
Nope.
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>>180515098
spot the trueborn
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>>180516174
Every single person on that list. None of them are actual Clanners.
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>>180496941
Well, they wiped away some of the quirks that better helped to distinguish the variants. I like both personally, but if you want it just for pulse boating, I'd go with the sl. I've been running the b forever though, and finally managed to break 1k, which for a potato like me, felt pretty good.
>>180499624
27, 27b, and 27s are all fun, 27b has probably performed the best for me, with the other two being pretty fun. I run standards in 27 and 27b, so you tend to stick around a while if you don't go potato. Florentine is odd, and I have a feeling it will be significantly more fun with newtech. I've got no experience with the 20.
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