Fighting Games General /fgg/

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Friendly reminder that if the your game doesn't have keepaway characters, it's not a game worth playing.

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You have TEN (10) seconds to explain why you aren't playing based Vampire Savior RIGHT NOW!

PC > Console

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Can't wait for mvci lads.

nth for i am the best

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>>180066448
toppest fighting bacons

>gg rev2 got passed in registrations by tekken AND injustass after all that shit talking

LUL Irrelevator

>>180066543
well deserved.
fucking asshole fanbase.

>>180062873
git gud dumb frogposter, proper games like tekken will NEVER EVER get rid of execution requirements for your bitchass

PLEASE KEEP PLAYING SFV, it's our containment zone

>>180066513
OD game of the year

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>>180066570

>>180066448
You get an F for this OP.

SFV is God's gift to us. It keeps the casuals away from the good games.

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>Wong and FChamp like Infinite
>"P-PAID SHILLS, WAIT UNTIL CEO"
>Overwhelming positive reception for the game
>"D-DRAGON BALL WILL BE BETTER ANYWAYS"

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>>180066504
Does it have cute Lilith dances?
To be honest, I don't know anything about vsav and what it did for the genre. Is Darkstalkers just liked because it's Capcom, or was it actually innovative? Is its following because of the lewd nostalgia, or the actual mechanics of the game?

Gootecks mad twitch didn't hire him to DJ

@gootecks 4h4 hours ago
In a parallel universe,Twitch Music didn't totally fail, brought me aboard to help, and locked in a 10 yr deal w/EDC for stream media rights

can't wait to watch evo desu

>>180066689
No matter how fun it is I refuse to buy a game that looks like that in 2017.

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me? i play rashid's wife!!

wow, dbfz, has snapbacks, dhcs, assists, and push blocking.

Why are people saying this game is simple? Because know do motion?

Seems kind of strange.

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>>180066448
damn those are some big tatas

>>180066543
Where are the numbers?

>>180066783
capcucks if i had to guess

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>>180066709
>Is its following because of the lewd nostalgia, or the actual mechanics of the game?
both

>>180066543
na gg players are insufferable
the only chill guys are the actual good players making top 8s and the nips who have a more realistic view on the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP75aZvWVdw

That DBZ fighters has assists?

Fucking dropped. Just about the worst kusoge mechanic of all time.

For a brand to Fighting Games player, Guilty Gear or BlazBlue?

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I'm here to save fighting games.

>>180066892
kys nubi

>>180067045
Doesn't matter.

>>180067045
Definitely Guilty Gear. I don't want a complete noobie fighting a competent Arakune or Valkenhayn or Nu-13. They simply won't understand.

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>>180067095

>>180067037
i agree, I can't wait to have some FUN playing MVCI with some SICK gameplay. You can TAG and INFINITY STONE to PAINT YOUR PLAYSTYLE CANVAS.

>>180066783
Even Arcs Systems most causal games the personas games have a bit of depth to them. Nobody expects GG amount of depth but, more so than Persona since the game is aim at the fighting community audience as well.

what do i need to get out of green rank

>>180067124
>PAINT YOUR PLAYSTYLE CANVAS
This is the greatest shill line I've ever heard in my entire life and I don't get why I'm only just hearing it now.

>>180067179
combofiend said it in his MvCI breakdown video with yipes

>>180067098

How can people say dbfz is simple and then say mcvi is amazing when it also has auto combos as well as two button hyper combos along with being much slower?

Really makes you think.

But we'll see what's what when the closed beta starts, I expect a lot of people to be eating crow.

>>180067224
That is cringeworthy.

>it's another rushdown only fighter episode
First it was Rev 2, then it was Tekken, now it's DBFZ. Stop getting hype for shit games that shame the genre.

>>180067224
That's incredible. I'm not combing through that fucking garbage to hear that, but boy it's amazing that a real human said that unironically.

>>180066892
can you please explain it to me, even a little? what's good about the gameplay of vsav

>>180066709
It was basically the first anime fighter, but it's better because it's not anime

How do you determine if something is safe on block?

>>180067264
DBFZ has zoners though. Even in the 6 character build, Frieza and Buu are zoning characters with Cell being a well rounded but mostly mid range character.

>>180067264
why are you describing SFV? Rev2 has normals with good long range

>>180067298
http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Vampire_Savior/FAQ#Is_this_game_for_me.3F

>>180067332
Find out your opponents fastest start up move
Find out how much your move is negative on block

also if their fastest move can lead to a combo

does mcvi look better on the pro?

the producer for dbfz said dbfz would look better on the pro and x.

>>180067336
>they're zoners cause I say so
show a video where someone uses either character to kill someone by keeping their opponent out

>>180067342
SFV is bad too. Birdie has standing fierce and it doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things. Long range normals doesn't mean it's not yet another dumb dumb rushdown game.

>>180067440
Of course it won't.

>>180067440
The producer just meant the resolution. I can imagine them doing 1080p or even 4k for the xboneX

>>180067348
whoa im not gonna read all that shit

>>180067348
Sounds like a shit guilty gear desu, no wonder it got RELEGATED
Nobody wants to read an impersonal wiki article to learn why a game is loved, you dolt. You'd have done better to not reply.

>>180067474
Show me a video of anyone playing effectively ~250 days before the game comes out.

>>180067526
Nobody wants to repeat themselves over and over everytime some newfag ask a question that's asked once a week

>>180067526
whoa there anon, get some cream for you sore bumbum

>>180067549
You're the one making the dumbass claim that they're zoners based on zero evidence. The vast majority of fighters are shitty rushdown ones, and arcsys has only made shitty rushdown fighters.

So which one of us is more likely to be right? OH, not you JohnXuandumb.

ChrisG was gate keeping the 3s arcade cabinet for 2+ at the CEO after hours arcade place

>>180067707
2+ hours*

>>180067707
k
that game sucks anyway

>>180067798
what's your favorite game then?

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>>180067629
if repeating yourself is too much work, then just don't reply
I'd eventually google it if I still gave a fuck, instead you go out of your way to be spiteful and post a link? fuck you. brb killing myself
>>180067637
can your creams heal slit wrists? can they make me numb?

>>180067332
go to practice and try to hit them

>>180067843
SFV

>>180067707
MOV let him

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Ladies and Gentlemen, your EVO 2018 lineup

>SFV
>MvC Infinite
>Melee
>Pokken DX
>Arms
>Dragon Ball Fighters Z
>Rev 2
>Injustice 2
>Tekken 7

>>180067870
LMAO

>>180067854
>can your creams heal slit wrists? can they make me numb?
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgiJPnwtQU

So now that Capcom is back on top after a brief dip what do we do about DBFZ? How can we make sure it fails?

>>180067124
CRITICS dont understand. fans are PISSING themselves playing #MVCI.

>>180067687
>based on zero evidence
They're clearly intentionally designed to be zoning characters, they are described as zoning characters, they have attacks with longer reach in a game about shooting fucking fireballs everywhere yet their toolset still outreaches the other characters. Frieza has fucking Optic Blast laser anti airs and Doom rocks combined with massive full screen death discs, Buu had stretchy limbs and traps. They are clearly designed and kitted to be zoning characters. If you're too stupid to see that, that's not my problem. I can't show you a video of someone being good at the game when no one is good at the game right now because it doesn't come out for another 9 months.

>and arcsys has only made shitty rushdown fighters
Oh right because Axl, Venom, Dizzy, Faust, and Jack-O don't exist. Gotchya.

>>180067934
It's an ArcSys game. It'll fail on its own when people realize it's just a dash n mash kusoge with no depth.

>>180067948
you keep blowing those diapers the fuck out john, keep fighting the good fight

>>180067948
I'm not him and I'm not trying to argue, more like I just don't want to be ignant about the game, but have any of those characters been doing well in recent gg tournaments? are there any obscured jp players really putting any of them on the map?

>>180067948
Why do you keep replying to obvious trolls

>>180068147
Faust is a fucking monster still. Nage always has strong dominant showings. Axl and Venom require character specialists, Dizzy is pretty weak and Jack-O took some nerfs and isn't very popular in general.

>>180067898
>Rev2
lmao you mean Rev3

>>180067492

yeah, I know what she meant. but I was expecting mcvi to get the same boost.

>>180068310

hold the fuck up mcvi has 6 on disc dlc characters?

why not add them to the initial roster to help this anemic roster?

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>>180068450
Why do you think

>>180067920
8/10
thoroughly entertaining, though I'm unsure if there's an allusion I'm missing
thanks for sharing m8

Can someone explain to me why the gameplay is so great in mvci?

>>180068668
play the demo. its not that great

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>>180068450
Jedah is one of them

>>180066448
Tekken 7, Injustice 2, Or Xrd Revelator for PC? (Will only be playing offline, no online/multiplayer because of unstable/unreliable internet)

>>180068246
sank you

>>180068702
T7 because of treasure battle.

Goddamn I hate Guilty Gear

>>180068695
Should I trust this cat?

>>180068873
That's what the leaks are saying.

>>180068702
xrd probably gives you the most to explore, but playing fighting games in single player is hot garbage

and treassure battle in t7 is nothing but playing against a cpu over and over to unlock customizations which nobody will ever get to see if you dont play against others

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>>180067264
>>it's another rushdown only fighter episode

SF players bitch about other games literally because they aren't Street Fighter. They even bitch about different releases of Street Fighter, because they aren't Street Fightery enough.

The spirit of this franchise is dead because altering it is a desecration of a sacred formula that was perfected 20 years ago. Alpha counters? Parries? Focus Attacks? Gimmicky characters? V triggers? PROFANE! What they really want is SF2 Turbo with prettier graphics.

No one who plays Tekken, Rev2, KI, or who will play DBFZ cares that the game is more pressure-focused than SF ever will be, and thereby neglects the holy neutral/footsies. Those games are designed for pressure with a dozen ways for defenders to participate in the game even while defending. Not to mention relatively zoning-oriented characters exist even in that world of extreme rushdown and set-play.

>>180068702
Definitely XRD or Injustice.

I logged on SFV to run the missions. One of them was a casual match. Of course it's a PS4 user that is teleporting all around the place. I wish WiFi was banned.

>>180068702
Injustice then probably. Story, multiverse, and gear to get.

However, imo, you should just get a game from another genre if you want sp.

>>180067687
Why shouldn't the majority of characters be rush down? Rush down should be the standard. Gimmick characters should be in too, but they should be outliers.

is there any reason to reinstall sfv after e3 and ceo? were there any announcements or cool characters?

>>180068873
She's not in the game so she has no reason to lie

>>180068702
I'm a fan of Guilty Gear, and Xrd has a lot of offline content, but it's mostly geared toward teaching you the game so that you can take your skills and knowledge online. In my opinion no fighting game is really worth it without strong online or a strong local experience. So if you have friends who are willing to put in the time with you, any fighter might be fun, and if not, you're in for a lacking experience overall.

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>>180069084

Guys...

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>>180067687
So, uhh, what's wrong with rushdown, again?

>>180069075
not really no. if you don't enjoy the game at this juncture it's best to okay something else.

>>180069047
I have never seen you make a good post

>dogura wins LOL
great game goobers

>>180069081
She will be in the game next year.

I don't like Slayer because bdc ruins my life and I get punished for proper meaties
I don't like Ky because Ciel is safe on block and leads into stupid oki
I don't like Sol because fafnir is + on block and he can yrc riot stamp
I don't like Faust because he has half screenbuttons and projectiles that take up half the screen
I don't like Axl because rensen is bullshit and he has a half screen command grab
I don't like bedman because he always sleeps on me
I don't like Chipp because he hugs walls, and I have claustrophobia
I don't like elphelt because she throws fruit at me, and I'm allergic to lactose
I don't like I-No because she plays guitar
I don't like May because she jumps and I don't have good anti airs
I don't like Millia because her hair penetrates my soul
I don't like pot because pot buster is op and 3f and 140 damage
I don't like ram because her footsies are literally unbeatable
I don't like Sin because everything is unpunishable and I lose half my health
I don't like Venom because his dp is too fucking good
I don't like Zato because Edward is fucking op and nobiru can go back underwater
I don't like Dizzy because she has dp safe oki, and I have no other defensive options
I don't like Jack-O because I don't like starcraft
I don't like Jam because she just yells and makes me sad
I don't like Kum because kick loops are hard, and I came to play fighting games not fucking starcraft
I don't like raven because he flies without wings
I don't like Johnny because he has the leisure to throw away money, and I'm financially unstable
I don't like Leo because he has no good anti airs
I don't like Baiken because of her bullshit guard cancels and unreactable command grab
I don't like Answer because paper cuts hurt
I don't like Guilty Gear because it's fucking stupid and bad, and am I'm going back to SFV

>>180069309
Ok.

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>>180069309
>I don't like Leo because he has no good anti airs

unga them to death before they can jump, people would rather die than block against leo


also anyone t7 pc eu?

>>180066906
Yeah, I quite like guilty gear but most goobers come across like shit fighting game players who want a shortcut to respect. Like, they're more deserving of respect because they play a hard game badly instead of someone who plays SFV well.

>>180068932
He didn't mention KI though at all.

>>180069441
why doesnt the raven player use one of the many defensive options gg has to offer

>>180066504
>playing a game that is TWENTY years old
lmao just lmao

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>>180069441
God damn Leo is my guilty pleasure. I mained him when Xrd first came out, but I switched off him to Jam and (recently) Zato because I felt bad playing that kind of UNGA online. It didn't really seem fair, and it didn't seem like it was teaching me to be a good player of GG.

Maybe at a high level I could play him. He seems like a low-ish tier character against players who know how to deal with UNGA.

Would you clean up Dizzy after Ky cums inside her?

>>180069487
That happens with SFV too. People think they deserve more respect for being bad or mediocre at a game with "big competition". Shutters just want to feel good in every game.

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>>180069156
Apparently it's wrong in a genre, where the main objective is to drain your opponents health bar to 0.

Dunno, seems some autist really don't get what fighting games are about. They either think it's more fun to play dancedance revolution by grinding combos all day. Or they want some fancing fighter, where you poke all day and win by points.

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>>180069148
chun raped by capcom

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I have a PS4 and need a fighting game that has a large player base and good tiddies, what game should I get? Also I've never played a fighting game before.

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>go through the CEO Injustice 2 results
>38 out of 50 players used Black Adam, Aquaman, Superman or Atrocitus

>>180069698
SF5 or tekken 7, maybe xrd rev 2

>>180068702
sfv

What triggers the announcer to say "Gimme 5" in Xrd?

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>>180069706
how about you reply to my motherfucking steam message instead of posting about garbage ass inJUSTass2 results

>>180069561
At around the 1 second mark, he should have thrown Leo out of his run-through hit.
Right after that, he guessed wrong on the high-low mix-up.
At the 4 second mark he made the same shitty guess.
At the 8 second mark he really should be learning that the Leo goes for the same high low erry time, in exactly the same way.
11 second mark. Same shit.
14 second mark, literally not even blocking.

And I can't remember which of Leo's moves is throw invuln, but he may have been able to just throw Leo on four occasions.

The issue is
a) Raven player is retarded and makes the same bad guess four times.
b) Raven isn't a good defensive character.
c) Raven player has already burned his meter and his Burst, so he doesn't have those defensive resources available, except FD... and you have to block to FD.

>>180069767
I think it's when you bait a burst and maybe do some other specific shit

>>180066689
>MvC:I confirmed fun
>All the complaints were "Looks like shit" and "Shit roster"
>DBZF will STILL be the better fighter
Is this moving the goal post or being at the wrong stadium on game day? Even Wong on his own Stream said he agrees it looks bad.

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>>180069810
I'm very busy.

>>180069839
What has goobers panicking is all the people saying DBZF is very simple and needs more depth.

Max's stream is LITERALLY nothing but donation readings, what the fuck

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>>180069859
there will be hell to pay if i see you boot up tekken anytime soon

>>180069905
kys streamape

>>180069698
SFV, Tekken 6, or GG Xrd Rev2 are the big ones right now. Killer Instinct also looks cool but I think that's not on PS. MK and Injustice look shitty, but I have literally no experience playing them. But srsly NRS fighters lol.

>>180069932
ok

don't check your Path of Exile friendlist

hello /fgg/
as a complete fighting game newfag, is GG XRD easy to enjoy/get into? also how is online population on pc?

>>180069949
im playing t7 tho

>>180069889
/ourguy/ Max says it's accessible with depth. All the surface level shit has a second level of application.
>He also says anyone complaining about the graphics are Gamefaqs posters so no one cares.
>>180069889
>Max just sits around being white
>Hires 2 black people for diversidollars
>RAKES IN THE CASH
smart

>>180070023
No, play sfv when you get better at fighting games you can branch out to niche games, starting with a small game with a small playerbase aka not having to fight people at your level is hell.

>>180069243
Fuck outta here anon, Kizzy put on a pretty good show, it was 3-2.

>>180070049
double kill yourself, nigga

>>180069889
>goobers panicking about DBZF

I don't speak for all goobers, but I see DBFZ as a party game and marketing campaign for ArcSys' deeper fighters. If it turns out to be a really deep fighter I'll be thrilled, but right now I'm happy that it's generating interest in ArcSys fighters and I think people will play it just because it's fun and not necessarily because it belong at EVO. I hope it's a good ambassador for fighting games in general.

>>180069905
max gets a lot of shit but hes ok in small doses. hes not ass at older games either.

>>180070095
well I also have SFV and a few others. What do you play nigga?

>>180070023
gg has a great tutorial. game itself is pretty hard tho
sfv is the easy game, but it teaches you shit ingame and you would have to find external resources

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>there will never be another Soul Calibur game
>I'll never get to play my Pirate bro online in a current gen game ever again

Why live?

>>180070108
Are you retarded?

>>180069905
I do like him but yeah his streams are pretty bad
>YO DUDE THANKS
>TACOS FOR THAT GUY
>WHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA THANKS A MILLION DOOD HOLY SHIT THATS A LOT
>YO THANKS FOR THE 11 MONTHS OF SUB
>TINKLEPANTS, FIRE LION 89, AND EARL THANKS FOR THE FIRST TIME SUBS

>>180070080

That will still happen if you only play jive before starting Xrd.

If you are going to end up playing Xrd anyway you may aswell start with it and you won't end up mindfucking yourself with ideas on how neutral should be played because you started with SF like me.

>>180070023
gg might frustrate you to hell and back. i wouldnt recommend sfv in the current climate though, it's essentially sf3 in terms of player reception. just understand that if you do pick up gg you'll need to do your homework.

>>180070023
>The negatives for a new player:
- No one plays ranked, so you need to seek out other newbies in Discord/whatever.
- Losing feels awful because you spend the entire match in the corner getting reset. Compared to SF, it feels worse when you lose horribly because you don't see the reset to Neutral where you know that you can act.
- The game has a lot of mechanics to learn.
- Execution can be tricky and combos can be long and difficult, especially for certain characters.
- Characters are weird, with less of a "Ryu but fast," "Ryu but with better fireballs," baseline to go off; learning match-ups is difficult and your experience against one character doesn't transfer well.

>The positives:
- The community is solid, and the lobbies promote people talking to each other and playing extended sets where you can actually sit down and learn against one opponent and his character(s).
- Replays are saved automatically, so you can go back and figure out where you threw away your "turn," or got punished.
- The "Gatling" combo system allows for a lot of free-form, easy-to-execute combos.
- There are a lot of universals that apply to (almost) all characters, like Forward+Punch being a solid anti-air.
- Despite having a dozen mechanics, it's pretty easy to focus on one or two at a time and immediately improve your game.
- GG has the best tutorial content in any fighting game. The tutorial drills you (relentlessly) on movement and using your buttons, then the mission mode teaches you simple and advanced concepts and tests you on them in pre-set situations. The missions also have match-up tests where you try to deal with every other character's most frustrating features, and there's a combo mode where you try to execute some actually useful combos for every character.

Game is hard, community is small. SF feels way more awkward to play because nothing combos when you're a scrub, but losing in GG feels way worse because defending against offense feels impossible.

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>>180066752
pre-order her new Bishoujo!

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do i just stomp move with necalli all day?

>>180070023
Population on PC is ok but needs a bit of effort to find. Let me explain. The 64 man Lobbies are empty. The 30 second wait between games ruined it. Ranked is dead outside of Japan. The only place still populated are the Player Lobbies. And then even if you search for Player Lobbies you will get a pathetically small amount of them with more than half being unplayable connections. This us because there is an option to Lock rooms and you need a 4 digit code to get in; the ones you are seeing are open rooms. So to find an online match, do yourself a favor and join a discord or something those are teeming with people and more often than not are good to play throughout the entire day.
tl;dr: Online matchmaking and public lobbies are dead. Find a discord to find people to play.

>>180070194
Is it that obvious? I'm off my meds and feeling suicidal.

>>180070346
tl;dr

just don't play anime kusoge, they're dead

>>180070230
It takes a very very dedicated person to start with xrd and keep playing, hopefully dbf is going to provide arcsys with a beginner friendly entry game i just hope their ranked system will be functional this time.

best chun li or mika doujins pls

>>180070080
>>180070154
>>180070235
>>180070346
>>180070234
thanks a lot lads, guess im just gonna pick up XRD and prepare to get my ass raped

>>180070436
most of them are shit

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>>180070308
no. lk stomp is -4, mk is -2, hk is 0. good players will know when to punish or check block strings into stomp. hit training mode, record jabs on block, learn real block strings and confirms. when you scare them into blocking then you start using command grab. orrrr disregard everything i just said and develop bad habits vs shitters. either or just remember to retweet #mvci is fun

>>180070346
Japs play ranked only because that's the only mode on the arcade.

>>180070513
you should get t7 2bh

>>180070513
We tried to warn you

>>180070436
https://exhentai.org/g/274790/314bdbf491/

>>180070436
https://exhentai.org/g/365788/9b60a75cf2/

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Can tournaments be predicted solely based on the character matchups?
CEO Winners Bracket:
Chun-li vs Akuma = Chun-li's favor
Zangief vs Cammy = Zangief's favor
then
Zangief vs Chunli = Chunli wins

>>180069309
guilty gear is the greatest

but yeah go back to your casual babby fighting game

>>180069957
>i have no experience but ill shitpost them all the same
cancer
im not even le nrs defener guy

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>>180070513
win or lose just remember it's just a videogame and those are supposed to be fun.

>>180070513
West coast?

>>180070346
tl.dr population on PC is ok except it's completely dead everywhere unless you beg on discord

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>>180070230
Guilty Gear XX #Reload was my very first fighting game, unless you count being a Smash Melee tournyfag in high school. GG Xrd is a really similar game to #Reload (they eliminated a lot of the power creep that went into later versions of Guilty Gear XX). I would say it's really not a bad game to start off with particularly because it has amazing tutorials and the combo system feels really fluid and easy. The huge downside is that when you get bodied, it doesn't even seem like you had a chance because the "turns" that take place in GG aren't obvious to new players like they are in SF.

Ignore what you hear about GG being ded. It's firmly in alive territory, but with a hint of the necrotic smell of "wait didn't I play you yesterday?" Since as Rev2 just came out, there are a lot of new players online right now. I've been dumbing down my play (read: picking Zato and sucking) against newbies for the past two weeks. Best place to find matches is the Player Lobbies.

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>>180070679
akuma buffed s2.5

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Is Angel the worst waifubait character of all time?

>>180070513
See you online! I have scrubby characters to practice. Don't get discouraged.

btw make sure you get Rev2. If you're on PC there's a bundle for 45 bucks including GGXrd Revelator + DLC characters + Rev2. The $60 deluxe bundle only contains some extra (mostly annoying) colors and system voices. On PS4 there's a similar bundle for 40 dollarydoos.

>>180070814
i think lucky chloe is by a large margin

>DBZF hype already dead
lol

just

lol

>>180070985
Does being gay turn your brain to mush or are mushbrains more likely to turn gay?

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>we live in a world where this is relevant again

>>180070985
uh no?

>>180070985
Wait until the 21th

>>180070985
People are still going crazy over it.

Why are Capdrones so insecure?

>>180070985
Why are you such a Capcom drone?

>>180070985

the fuck are you talking about

>>180071075
Looks like I'm going dumpster diving at Game Stop again
>Mfw I found Gotcha Force for 5 dollars.

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>>180070985
eat shit

>>180066718
>Twitch Music
What was Twitch Music?

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>he is playing kekken

>>180070961
Chloe is actually somewhat fun though. Angel is just big dumb tits and stupidly difficult to use.

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>>180070985
looking forward to see MvCI crash and burn desu

>>180071401

why

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>>180070814
Nope. It's even worse since she is garbage Waifu bait in a game made up mostly of Waifus. That takes doing.

>>180071438
They released a school costume for Ibuki when her default is a school costume. Unforgivable.

>>180071438
It looks like shit and all the characters suck.

>>180071401
I hope you get left behind.

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>>180071526

>muh graphix

didnt you guys learn your lesson from kofxiv being great?

>>180071438
Because Capcom has been sitting on top of the genre despite putting out shitty games for the past few years. If Capcom takes a hit, franchises other than SF and MvC will feel a boon. In fact, they already have because SFV is shit. Games should do well because they're good, not because of tournament prize money and marketing shill endorsements.

>>180071438
Cause I'm still mad af about SFV and they lied about not getting rid of DP motions

>>180071575
the characters in kofxiv are cool tho

>>180071592
But Ryu still has a DP motion

Graphics DO matter in fighting games and is one of the only genres where having great graphics and visual design really improves the experience of the game.

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>>180071592

>wanting a fighting game to be bad because you didnt like another fighting game they made

i'll never understand this mentality

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>>180071575
This. Don't let bad graphics kill a good game like MvCI!

>>180071575
I still refuse to play XIV because it STILL looks like ass. It's fucking unacceptable Broski. It's 2017 dude.

>broski going on another righteous rant

>>180070985
it will sell just for being a dragon ball game.

are you retarded?

>>180071676
This.

Many fighting games became popular due to graphics. Virtua Fighter, the Tekken series, SFII.

Pretending that "graphics don't matter, duh" is just a shallow way to defend the poor job they did with MvC:I.

>>180071582
>If Capcom takes a hit, franchises other than SF and MvC will feel a boon
it's the exact opposite

>>180068246
Dizzy being weak is an outdated meme, her buffs in this version are fucked. Kazuki has started doing work in tournament too

>>180071767
Yeah, but Capcom is an indie company. They can't afford to make good graphics. Cut them some slack here. At least the game has so much creativity and depth that it's slick!!

ZeroTheShadow (known US Tekken player) already confirmed that the E3 build of MvC:I is pretty much the same as the demo build in terms of balance and gameplay.

Jwong and friends lied again. It reminds me of that time Combofiend lied on the day-one release of SFV being different from the last beta phase in terms of balance changes.

>>180071785

absolutely this

people dont seem to realise that fighting games are on a shared life support system, if one franchise dies it hurts the whole genre

for some reason people think if street fighter dies then like tekken or whatever will just absorb the surplus and the fgc will enter a new age of superior limb based combat but it just patently isnt true

case in point: sf3 turned so many people off that it nearly killed the entire fgc for a decade

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>>180071785
>I'm interested in fighters, what should I play?
>Hi, please shovel this dogshit into your mouth!

>The FGC right now.

Capcom is a curse. The sooner they shape up or die, the better.

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>>180071687
They are approaching it with the same kind of muh accessibility bullshit they did with SFV. I want this dumb notion to end, that's why I hope it ends up and sells like shit.

Whatever I want and don't want is gonna have like zero influence on reality though so I don't see the problem.

>>180071896
I bet you anything that capcom game have way better retention than any other game in the market (outside of singleplayer casuals maybe for sfv).

>>180071896
If you want Capcom to die, you want the FGC to die.

>>180071687
after sfxt and sfv people have so much hate for capcom that whatever they'll do in coming years it will get shit on.
they can redeem themselves if they start releasing good games with no fuckery, but they already fucked up with mvci. all this dlc bullshit

>>180071876
really makes you think

>>180071876
I only bought T7 because SC is dead.

You know what if it takes the FGC dying for Capcom to realize that the shit they put out is total garbage then so be it.

>>180071908
There is a difference between accessibility and skill ceiling, sfv has a gap in skill ceiling but the top players like punk or knuckledu are miles ahead of the rest, doesn't mean mvci will have a gap in skill ceiling too the game has a lot of crazy stuff compared to sfv when it was clear from the beta that the game would be simplistic, you're just being irrational.

>>180071876
if street fighter dies, then thats on capcom, not the consumer.

>>180071908

i agree with the sentiment that this "HURR WE WANT TO MAKE OUR GAMES MORE ACCESSIBLE TO NEWCOMERS" is fucking moronic but can we please stop deluding ourselves into thinking this is remotely a capcom exclusive issue

>Harada: 'We're trying to make Tekken 7 easy to approach, a lot of fans skipped over TTT2 because it was too difficult to learn 2 characters'
>Adam Urbano (NRS Studios, in regards to Inj2): One of the things is, we wanted the game to be more accessible.
>However, Guilty Gear Xrd's Battle Director pointed out that "that's not really something that fighting game players these days by and large are looking for," and that was how the team began looking at making the new Guilty Gear's mechanics more accessible

>>180071687
about as retarded as
>I'm going to buy it regardless of the quality

>>180071839
MikeZ already said this was the case. The game releases in a couple months, there will be no balance changes from the E3 demo to Gamescom demo. Just more characters and gems revealed

>>180072125
Get them broski hit them with the facts

>>180072125
all of those did a good job making the games more accessible without removing depth though

>>180072019
The FGC won't die, the huge angle in E-sports will though. It's win-win no matter how you look at it.

>>180072125
I can't speak for NRS but for the most part Tekken and Xrd didn't lose their high level depth by making the game easier

>>180072184
WHOA NOW GOOBER ARE YOU SAYING SFV AND MVCI AREN'T THE DEEPEST GAMES ON THE MARKET HAHA GOOBER GOOBER GOOBER

>>180072184
SFV has a lot of depth, and that's why is the #1 competitive fighting game on the market. People wouldn't play it if it had no depth.

yeah lets discuss PR talk again
and lets make statements about games we know next to nothing about yet

id rather have sniffposters than this garbage desu

>>180071981
Despite what you retards think, people would play other fighting games if Street Fighter wasn't around. Sorry, but I'm really not into them releasing dog shit titles of franchises I previously really enjoyed. I hope MvC does terrible and I hope people stop playing Jive, because they don't deserve the success with the half assed products they're shipping.

>>180070537

People play ranked if the game actually has a decent population regardless of country or game. If the game doesn't have people playing ranked, it means it's dead in that region.

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>>180072252

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Anyone Tekken 7 EU PC?
>>180072125
Yet SFV is the only game where you barely feel yourself progressing past the bare basics.

>>180072125
All those games did a far better job at it then Capcom.

Compare, let's say, T7 to SFV is terms of how they made their game more accessible: The former added some new mechanics that could bring a huge comeback factor in-game that don't really require much execution, but the game still feels fun at high level play.

On the other hand, SFV is the example of lowering the skill ceiling along with the skill floor, resulting in a more shallow game.

>>180072125
>a lot of fans skipped over TTT2 because it was too difficult to learn 2 characters
This is perfectly reasonable though. Also, tag team matches should be a selectable mode, not stand alone games.

>>180072252
People play all kinds of games with no depth. Casuals love them because they make them feel better about themselves, and Pros will play whatever has money in it for them.

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oler..

How do I approach the Aqua Man match up as Captain Cold?

>>180072389
ice beats water

I'm thankful I was never interested in Marvel VS Capcom in the first place. All the news I'm reading right now give me strong pre-release SFV deja-vu.

>>180072252
>SFV has a lot of depth
You are the definition of delusional, my dude. It could have a lot of depth. Like it's predecessors. But it doesn't. Not compared to any other current fighting game except maybe some NRS trash.

>no Juri in MvCI
they better fucking put her in there after they butchered her in SFV

You gets better pre-order MvCI and the Season Pass if you want fighting games to live.

>>180072054
>>180072125
I'm fully aware it's not a Capcom thing but something like Rising Thunder aside SFV is by far the worst version of it.

Look at the character and mechanical variety in Xrd and Injustice and then look at the SFV roster. It's night and day imo.

I can get behind the Injustice 2 gear system because it's an accessibility option that doesn't water down the core gameplay and you can just ignore it. Even without having played previous GGs I always liked Roman Cancels in Xrd as a streamlined mechanic because it's a very simple 2 button input that leads to complex outcomes depending on when you use it. I despise RAs in T7 but the game is still complex as all fuck.

I know other companies are chasing the same kind of casual dollar, but there are good and bad ways to do it. Capcom just always looks like it's the absolute worst at it.

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ITS SO FUCKING HOT I CANT PLAY OR DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS

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>>180072291
>Yet SFV is the only game where you barely feel yourself progressing past the bare basics.

this actually puts it well

>>180072430
Pre release SFV at least people still had hope. We didn't know it would be as bad as it is. MvC is months away and looking worse with every showing. After people were burned by SFV I really don't think MvC is going to sell well.

>>180072291
reminder that there is a tekken general if you're looking for games and stuff >>180034162

>>180071582

>In fact, they already have because SFV is shit

There is no empirical evidence to support this. In fact entrant numbers have been down across the board for every fighter at almost every major event ever since the end of SFV's release year (aka when it's little hype momentum finally died) .

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>>180072472
>take shower
>already sweating again

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Any examples of good Asukas to watch and learn from?

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>>180072550
Brick

Is Capcom the yakuza? You have to keep giving them money if you want the FGC to live.

>>180072550
https://youtu.be/Si8qZF6zoEA

>>180072383
Worst GG girl

>>180072550
Aris I guess, he plays her a lot and has like a three hour guide

Reminder that EVO is less than a month away and still have not released their numbers.

Reminder that SFIV entrants at EVO increased every single year and Wizard has always been quick to tout the record breaking numbers.

>>180072550
go to greentekken youtube channel and search asuka

>>180072550
You don't need to, just meme people out with random shit.

>>180072550
>that lazy as fuck mirrored texture

>>180072657

We all know it's lower at this point. It's very likely the only game that will get a rise numbers this year is T7 for obvious reasons.

>didn't like SFV much
>enjoying Tekken
>MvCI will be out soon
i dunno if I should buy it but on the other hand that means Tekken will be the only fighting game I have for awhile
hmm
Do you guys think MvCI will survive on PC? Should I just wait for DBZ?

>>180072861
Of course it will survive. It just won't be fun and it'll be ugly.

>>180072861
>tekken
lol

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>>180072657
That's right but according to anon(you) here >>180071582 it'll be a boon for other non-capcom games, can't wait for the numbers surely all those people will enter tekken, gg, ki, etc.

When are they going to standarize the pushback on Cammy's standing forward.

>>180068905
they are on dics in an unplayable form (story mode only)

>>180072861
Depends on sales. the only people talking about it are talking about how shit it looks. I really don't see it doing very well, and PC sales will definitely be lower than PS4. Rev2 just came out, Injustass just came out, and DBZ is "early" next year.

>muh tournament numbers
yall fat neckbeards never getting out of your moms basements anyway

>>180073038
Doesn't mean the numbers don't matter, what about streamboaring

>>180073023
Man that's scummy. Even Tanya in MKX story was incredibly basic compared to the playable version

>>180070985

it's not dead at all tho?

>>180073094
neither stream numbers nor entrants should be a measure of a game's success

>>180073023
Do we know which ones?

>>180072972
The same day they are going to fix the extra corpse push dash bug that was in this game since the first beta phase.

>>180072435
>DURR LE NRS TRASH

nrs games are literally the only fighters right there with tekken that have actual depth nowadays

maybe if USF4 was the newest SF capcom might still be in the game but SFV is a glorified mobile game in terms of depth

your average injustice 2 character has more depth than half of the SFV roster combined

I think Chris having to reload his gun is a shit decision by Capcom. What's the obsession with taking good aspects away from a character and then selling it as a v-trigger?

I hate every single one of you

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>>180073365

I could never understand the appeal of MvC. Every single piece of gameplay footage i've seen is 2 people flying around the screen randomly until one of them connects, which then transitions into endless corner memes. Looks like complete kuso.
How do people find it fun to watch or play? I need someone to enlighten me.

>>180073334
Who the fuck plays Chris anyway? No one gives a shit.

>>180071438

6 characters are on disc dlc and you're eating it up.

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>>180073490
>randomly
It's not random

>until one of them connects
Until one of them wins neutral

>which then transitions into endless corner memes.
which then transitions into high level mixups

reminder, mcvi literally has less mechanics than dbfz.

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>>180073490
Let's be real, people talk about kusoge and imbalance and shit like that, but that's what makes fighting games fun. A completely sterile fighting game would not be exciting to play or watch.

>>180073530
lmfao btfo

literally nobody can defend this at all

>>180071265

> tfw no japanese, mommy gf that is making the fighting game that's going to save us all

>>180073490
You see it that way becasue that's the intention behind every MvC game. They're kusoge, but kusoge can be fun too.

https://twitter.com/gamerbeetw/status/876371587154534400

17ers will try and pretend like sf4 got ttashed like this but it never got it this bad lmao i cant think of ten pros who think sfv is good

>>180073493
Fuck*clap*You*Clap*Nig*clap*Ger*clap*

>>180073038
i agree tourney numbers don't mean shit anymore now that the new shill based invitational system is going to take over. grab 8 'key community members' and everything else will fall into place.

>>180073530
john D forgot to pay this man

>>180073416
Q-Bee is NPC in MvCI

>>180073556
This. Don't mistake MvC for anime kusoge. It's nothing like that.

>>180073742
Yeah it's way worse.

>>180073678
How about

Uhhh

Fuck

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>>180073742
You're replying to an anime player, moron. MvC and anime games play the same and focus on the same aspects of fighting games.

>>180073530
>Every tournament top 8 still is populated by more or less the same players
>I-it's the game's fault I lose
He's just salty.

>>180072531

didn't this end years ago, why is it still in magazines.

>>180073810
prove how hes wrong when top players like Daigo drown in pools

im waiting

>For now SFV has most oppotunity, but I am looking foward in the futrue with other FTG.
reminder pros are only in it for the money, if any other 2D FTG had the same money or more in it, they will bounce

>>180073130

If you are someone that wants a game to play against friends casually no, but otherwise you'd probably want a game with a community around it. Tourney numbers, viewers, online numbers, and overall player retention are good indicators of that.

is there a button shortcut for delayed wakeuop in injustice 2

>>180073982
Daigo drowned in pool in SF4 too

>>180073726
>Q-Bee is NPC in (game)
That's pretty much her life nowadays

>>180074008
not as much as in sfv where he is getting beat by literally whos

>>180073989
If they're in it for the money, why not play mobas or shooters which have a lot more money involved?

mike ross of course hates SFV
>Glad you liked them man! And yes, I'll answer anything. What game would I play? Sf4 was obviously super fun to me, and perhaps I liked that game a little too much. When V came and sucked the joy out of everything I couldn't put a stream on with a straight face. I don't want to spend an hour+ bitching nonstop about things. It's not productive. I'd rather spend that time playing a game I enjoy. However most people won't find that "entertaining", so I'll play for myself. If I streamed anything it'd be just xrd or dota...games which this community tends to see as "boring" or "dead community". I will most likely never have an individual stream again as long as I'm breathing.

>>180074082
[citation needed]

>>180074074
Because that's a new genre to learn.

>>180074074
because fighting games give the most opportunity due to their background in fighting games, learning an entirely new game is not feasible

>>180074082
hah I told you guys but you were all like no way he loves sfv didn't you see ea

>>180073290

Even if that were true, with its awful animations and crappy rigid gameplay, it's just a deep pile of shit. Good for nothing but its single player content.

>>180074153
>awful animations
Love this meme.

>>180074128
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/6h3noy/thou_shall_not_shill/divaihj/

Why doesn't Injustice have hit sparks?

>>180074153
> with its awful animations and crappy rigid gameplay

nice meme kid, did you come up with that all by yourself?

NRS animations get better with every game they release and the only people who could possibly be stupid enough about them being "rigid" or "clunky" are SF kids who are unable to adapt. NRS games dont have instant recovery if you whiff your buttons in neutral so SF kids panic as they suddenly have to commit and make harder reads instead of just mashing CMK+hadoken and hoping it connects

the actual movement speeds and mobility tools are far more nimble than most fighting games that arent MvC

>>180074204
cheers

>>180074214
One of the design decisions NRS takes to make their games as visually unappealing as possible.

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>>180074203
me too

>>180074082
It's pretty obvious he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. He plays fucking DotA. Fucking DotA. And likes it. Fucking retarded nigger. DotA is worse than fucking awful just like all other shitass MOBA kusoge.

I think in sfv it's just very hard to get by with just superiror tech/skill since a lot of that has been normalized.

Also, the quality of matches that players get online is much better than it was in the sfiv era.

Players are better.

>>180074302
HELLO MY BABY HELLO MY HONEY

Soul Calibur is a bad series

>>180074302
If NRS animations are so bad across the board, why do retards like you always post the same cherrypicked examples?

>>180074214
>>180074293
It literally does have hitsparks.

>>180074320
dota is only for high IQ individuals, which is why most blacks don't play it

>>180074353
I say a lot of hateful things but you I hate the most in this thread.

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RUCKY

>>180074375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t06Dkdg6fEo

>>180074287

>auto deflects to SF

Lel I play Tekken, a game with actual decent animations. It isn't just jivers, everyone but you dumbass nrsfags finds it janky.

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>>180074351
damn

>>180074407
They're barely noticeable, especially on block

>>180074082
I mean he has Xrd on his channel already, why not stream it

>>180074320
Holy shit Peter calm down, this is what most people think about your abortion

>>180074446
And how does this memecal video disprove their animations getting better with every release? Where is the same video for injustice 2?

>>180074453
Tekken is just as "janky" as Injustice but with much worse mobility unless you start talking about retarded shit like korean backdashing. Tekken animations also follow the exact same "realistic" principles as Injustice/MK. The only difference is that tekken is actually clunky/rigid because it has 30 seconds of input lag

why was resident evil 7 pretty good but sfv is still really bad?

>>180074618
they knew capcucks would eat it up regardless of quality

>>180074618
RE7 is garbage.

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>dank starts posting at the same time as kappa copypasta and sfv hate posts
ah yes

>>180074320

Nah. Dota is an incredibly well made game that is ruined only by the unfortunate truth that people will act ridiculously shitty to each other online no matter what.

The only reason to have such ill will towards mobas is if you got butthurt from getting bullied when you played one or you are mad they "stole" your video game friends. Either, you're a bitch.

t. Someone who quit dota a year ago

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>>180074618
Because the RE team realised they had to make fundamental changes to go back to what made Resident Evil good instead of doubling down on their mistakes like the SF team.

>>180074668
can you link me to the kappa copypasta?

>>180074721
he literally posted the link >>180074204