/lisg/ - Life is Strange General #510

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BFFs, Pirates, Wonder Twins, Partners in Time & Crime & Love, Fellow Dorks, GFs, Wives.
OTP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvZxmgLfNA

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3rd for fresh post-game depression

>>180011870
Oh shit I was meant to post the transparent version as usual

>>180011494 #
The idea that the tornado is coming anyway ruins the integrity of the story and sounds like denial for Bae posters.

Bay is not a dumb choice.

>>180012037
Its not a DUMB choice but its super out of character for Max. No matter how much you personally like the rest of the town or how much you dislike Chloe, the entire game is pretty clear that in Max's view, Chloe comes before absolutely everyone else.

>Make thread
>Don't link it to previous one
>Ensure kate.jpg is posted first
>Then link it
Dirty move, OP I did it with the last thread I made to make sure pricefield.jpg was first

>The idea that the tornado is coming anyway ruins the integrity of the story and sounds like denial for Bae posters.

Then why does the story say the tornado always comes?

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Max is #1

>>180012256
And if Chloe is the most important thing to you, do you value your feelings or Chloe's feelings more?

>>180012256
It's not out of character at all - giving up Chloe is character development for Max, it goes with the theme of the game. Max learns that you can't control everything, whilst at the same time rediscovered her happiness with a childhood friend.

>>180012314
Give exact citations and i'll admit i'm a faggot.

>>180012203
Excluding the Bay timeline which is entirely optional and only shown if you pick that choice, the storm is coming in every timeline.
It's not denial to conclude it's coming no matter what. We are that to be true up until the point of the final choice where it's suggested there may be a way to stop it.
Not taking that suggestion is totally fine and totally in character for Max. Especially when the game is suddenly suggesting to Max that changing time at all was wrong, so she's suddenly expected to go back and change time again? It is a dumb choice when you look at it from Max's point of view. It's dumb because letting Chloe die is not an option, all the other logical considerations and whatnot just add on to support the original conclusion of it being a poor choice.

>>180012413
Maybe I'm selfish, but I absolutely couldnt live the rest of my life with the knowledge I made the choice to let the woman I loved die. That would hang over me for the rest of my (likely short) life.

>>180012479
How exactly does going back and stopping the storm teach Max she cant control everything? Seems to be the exact opposite to me

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>>180011834
Before Episode 5's release:
>Lol Mari's theories're shitty.It's way more than shitty to become true
>Chloe has to die thing doesn't make sense.Don't worry they will come with unpredictable story
>We're gonna learn everything about Max's powers,Rachel and Prescotts even Nathan,spirit animals..
>Jefferson knows about Max's powers
>Nathan,Frank,David or Samuel's gonna save us
>Victoria's with Max,she'll save her
>(After seeing Cemetery scene from leaks) I'm sure it'll be Williams,Rachel's or Kate's grave.
>Rachel's the doe and Butterfly and probably we'll see her in Max's dream
>Blue Jay's Chloe

After Episode 5's release:
>Mari's shitty cliche theory became right
>We visited the SF art gallery for 3 seconds. FOR 3 DAMN SECONDS
>Jefferson became a silly bad guy from Disney
>David came to save us.He's a former-soldier but he can't even fight,just listens teenager's orders. Even he doesn't know she has some time travel powers.
>Victoria's with us in the dark room.Laying there and we can talk her or not.Just it.
>Nathan get killed,Victoria too
>Nathan knew something about the storm but they cut it.
>Warren explained Max's powers(!)(thanks warryn) We found out her power causes/related with Chaos Theory and storm.It's not like we didn't know or something.
>Storm is only coming for Bay because Chloe lives in there but Max's the one who keep changes the time
>Prescotts story erased.Nobody even mention their name.
>Rachel's story fucked too.She isn't or butterfly,bluejay just spiritualdoe
>Spirit animals thing died.Blue Butterfly's storm summoner just it.
>Chloe dies again in one of endings (unpredictable) It gives you a lesson: You shouldn't have used your power.And you shouldn't play this game.Now erase your choices and cry like a bitch.
>Chloe has to die thing comes true, Cemetery scene explained with that.
>The other ending's short but it's less cliché than other.We saved Chloe,storm's hit the town and gone.That's it

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>having Max jam on loop to some sweet tunes on the stereo

Is this comfy or what? I swear several hours of my playtime went into this

>>180012613
But why the butterfly effect imagery? The Donnie Darko allusions? The hints that Max messing with time causes bad things to happen? The idea of her causing the tornado outright brought up in dialogue and dream sequences?

Its more of a hint than just, default.

She's told to change time to stop all the times she's changed time.

>>180012839
NOW DO CLASSICAL GAS

>>180006921
>And let me be a little cute and ask what's it matter that the directors Raoul and Michel might be leaning toward Bay?
It doesn't matter very much. That the developers have an intended ending doesn't take away from whatever personal justification each player makes regarding which ending -they- choose. But developer intention is an interesting point of discussion.

>The original writer and much of the team could be totally Bae all the way. Would it matter? Is it "intended", now?
It'd still be an interesting point of discussion. And I don't know (much) about what the original writer thinks, I'd argue that it doesn't make much of a difference to what ending(s) the team actually developed and presented. Even if the original writer had intended for the story to work towards a totally pro-bae ending, that's just not what we got.

>Why is there no real doubt in your mind by the way, that as a whole they are Bay-leaning?
Someone finally asked the relevant question. At the end of the day, pretty much everything points to the Bay ending being the intended ending.

Several posts in-coming ...

>>180012669
Its a tough choice, but i'd argue true love means you allow them to choose their own destiny, especially if she has a reason for doing it. You give her the morphine, you save Arcadia Bay.

>>180012413
Chloe is the most important thing to Max and vice versa.

Chloe does not want to die. She doesn't want to see Max suffer or feel guilty so she leaves Max with the choice and says she will support it either way.
While Chloe is for once trying to put her parents and others ahead of herself, what would she do if she had to choose between Max and the town? She'd pick Max every time.
If Chloe dies then you undo all that maturing she did and she dies thinking nobody loved her or cared about her. In effect that also kills Joyce and David, the people Chloe wanted to save (and who very well could have lived through the storm), and leaves Max with much more guilt and no one to support her.

>>180012898
Even in Bay, she changes time. At the beginning of episode 1, when Chloe is shot, Max jumps out and screams. Who knows what would have happened after that. In the Bay timeline, she simply hides in the corner.

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Can anyone with uber internet upload speed please put the OST onto mega again? It got deleted. Would be hella cool

>>180012314
Then the devs should have made it explicit that Max's actions caused the storm. Because in the game, Max sees the vision of the storm before she even uses her power which would seem to indicate that it's going to happen either way. Now there's a much more disturbing theory that is somewhat backed up by Max's nightmare and how she forgets the events that have happened when she returns to the "present" from her photojumps: Those visions and photojumps she does aren't the past or future, their completely separate alternate realities she's jumping between. Every one of them happens, the player Max's consciousness is just hopping realities.

>>180012898
What about Max getting powers in that moment Chloe was in danger even though she didn't realize it was Chloe?
What about Max decrying a near identical scenario from Star Trek?
What about the countless time she says or writes how important Chloe is to her and how happy she is to be with her again?
Those are just more than hints. Those are showing of Max's true feelings. And that's all that matter when the story is focused around Max and Chloe. How they inspire and help each other through some dark times.
Now you, as someone who chose Bay, say it's right to leave Max at the darkest time in her life and leave her without Chloe?

>>180013120
It's not a tough choice. It's the only choice to save Chloe.
Some people gave her the morphine because she was dying and it wouldn't get better. In the Bae ending Chloe has an amazing potential to get better. A healthy body, strong feelings of love, and realization that she needs to become better and be more respectful to her mother and stepfather.
You save her for her sake, for Max's sake, and the sake of those close to them.

someone send to these newfags the sp0ck pasta

>>180013123
Past Chloe isn't our Chloe. You can't take her feelings as part of the emotional argument in favor of killing the town.

Your moment of peace is Chloe, yes our Chloe, giving you that kiss before you go.

Chloe would probably pick Max though with her parents its a tough call, doesn't mean Chloe would hypothetically be making the right decision.

>>180013171
More of a shitty plot hole than an argument in favor of Bae.

>>180013697
You are really comparing apples to oranges, the argument wasn't "does Max really love Chloe" because, yeah duh she does. the argument was "does sacrificing Chloe stop the tornado"

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As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
>"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
>"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"

>eat Lisa
https://instaud.io/kVV

>eat your own foot
https://instaud.io/kWb

>>180014060
>>180014060
>You are really comparing apples to oranges, the argument wasn't "does Max really love Chloe" because, yeah duh she does. the argument was "does sacrificing Chloe stop the tornado"
Without using knowledge Max cant possibly have, all Max knows is Chloe dying DOESNT stop the storm. Jefferson kills her and it still comes.

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>>180013556
If they wanted to show the message "Max causes the storm by changing time" then they could have easily done it.
>The first change Max makes is saving Chloe
>She doesn't change anything else like answering a question or fixing her camera
>No storm visions before saving Chloe
>Snow that evening
>First vision comes in the junkyard when she passes out from using her power too much
>Max saves William
>No storm or dying animals in that timeline
>Max let William die to save Chloe
>Dying animals and other odd occurrences
>Storm is coming
>Jefferson kills Chloe
>No more storm
>There's an obvious link between Chloe's survival and the storm established
>Final choice
They didn't do that. They instead tried to mislead players and directly contradicted themselves with what they wanted to show. Because of that, and because of Max's obvious feelings and tendencies, the Bay ending should be disregarded as impossible on numerous levels.
Impossible within the realms of how the game shows things, impossible because if any change in time caused the storm then Max had changed time prior to saving Chloe in that timeline, and impossible as something Max would even consider doing.
If people want to say "Max is not a good person unless she kills Chloe" or call everyone who chose Bae in denial/selfish/murderers, then I'll go straight for the throat.
THE BAY ENDING DOES NOT WORK

>>180006921
>>180013081

- The ending cinematics are absolutely a relevant factor. One of them is fully fleshed out, links back to the start of the game, is multi-scene, features new character models, new locations, new sound track, it actually offers some finality and resolution to the game's story. The other is a short few shots of the girls driving through some recycled scenes/models, with a recycled soundtrack, discordant emotions ("hue look at all this destruction and death surrounding us smile smile"), and no real sense of conclusion ... it just kinda patters off, they didn't even get the "driving off into the sunset" type shot right.

So we can speculate that there were budgetary concerns involved, but that doesn't really solve much. Why wouldn't they still try to equalise the length/impact of both endings? Why put so much effort into one, but significantly downplay the other? Especially when, as others have been quick to point out, the bae ending seemingly had fewer alterations during development than the bay ending. Harsh limits on budget/time force developers to make decisions about where they focus their efforts, and that they chose to so significantly under-value the Bae ending seems to be an indication of intent.

1/3

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How does it feel to experience friendship and love?

>>180014282
Jefferson kills her AFTER the actual time fuckery when the visions started man, come on stop acting dense.

>>180006921
>>180014367

- The genre/story type supports the Bay ending. Let's not be too cute about this, pretty much everyone assumed from Day 1 that the game's ending would be about choosing whether to sacrifice Chloe for the greater good. That we were correct in assuming this to be the case says a lot about the type of story the developers were running with: stock standard fucking-up-the-past-has-consequences-so-we-shouldn't-change-things time travel bullshit. They created a cliche time travel story, and we're seriously arguing about whether or not the cliche "for the greater good" ending wasn't intended?

Importantly, the game didn't make any real attempt to try to subvert our expectations on this front either. We spent the whole game as Max making friends with everyone around town. Even the town's jerks, assholes and low-lifes (Courtney, Taylor, Victoria, Frank, even arguably Nathan) are shown in a sympathetic light throughout the story. (And as contrast our bestest gal-pal Chloe is frequently shown in a shitty light.) That is, they didn't even try to cast Arcadia Bay in some negative light to try to subvert the whole "for the greater good" angle.

2/3

>>180014060
>the argument was "does sacrificing Chloe stop the tornado"
And it's been proven numerous times that it wouldn't. Don't just waltz into this general after completing the game and act like you're the first person to post these arguments.
All your arguments are about is supposed morality or utilitarianism, they have no place here.

>>180014371
how would we know?

>>180014364
It wasn't Chloe's death that stops the tornado, it's Chloe's death at the exact time that she's supposed to with no intervention that stops the tornado.

Do you even know how the butterfly effect supposedly works?

>>180006921
>>180014507

- The narrative we're presented doesn't support Bae overall. I guess this element is more debatable (there are points for and against), but I think it's pretty clear on an over-arching scale. There's way too much to reasonably cover here, so I'll just pick one of the major elements that keeps getting raised (and was raised in the last thread) which is frequently misinterpreted by the Bae-ending folks:

>>180002551's pic related is constantly touted as some ultimate justification for the Bae ending. It's not, it's literally the opposite of what the game is trying to tell us. There's an entire section of the game spread out over two episodes which teaches us this isn't the case. Do I need to make a similar compilation image of every time Max says "I'm not going to let you die William!", followed by an image of the scene where she finally accepts William's death? The parallel between Max's statements about William and her statements about Chloe aren't accidental, there's a deliberate parallel, and a deliberate statement of intent.

I want to be clear with what I'm arguing here: I agree that I don't think this is necessarily a "realistic" lesson. I was pissed when Max burned the old photograph, I thought she could have tried a few more attempts at altering that moment in 2008 to try to create a better future for all of them (although with the storm on the horizon in the alternate timeline still, I'm not sure it matters much ...). And I think it's totally valid for a player to ignore this "lesson" when it comes to the final ending, and to simply say "fuck you" to fate (or whatever it is) and accept the consequences of choosing Chloe. But this isn't the "lesson" the game was trying to teach us. The -intended- message of all this is clearly on the pro-Bay side of things: Max needs to learn to accept Chloe's death.

Like I said, there's a lot more we could go into here, but I think I've otherwise covered enough points for sake of discussion.

3/3

>>180014413
The visions started before any time fuckery happened at all.

Honestly I think the real flaw in the endings is the forced urgency of the final choice. Why must it be made then? Max is a time traveler. She could make the choice at any possible time.

>>180014413
In the Bay ending Chloe dies AFTER Max has already changed things.

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>>180014413
The Bay Ending kills her after the vision happens and after Max gets and uses her powers. It erases the majority of her time travelling, but not all of it. And there's no reason to assume that autopilot Max wouldn't time travel because she has the power to do so. That only works for the Max in the Wheelchair Chloe timeline because she was never put in the position that gave her powers in the first place.

>>180014706
THATS NOT HOW TIME TRAVEL WORKS

>The greater good
And there's the perhaps the dumbest phrase ever uttered in human existence. A phrase that has almost exclusively been used as justification to do the opposite of good.

>>180014531
It literally hasn't. Stop getting angry, either provide arguments or donmt engage its just shitposting beyond that.

>>180014883
I'm not even making a utilitarian argument.

>>180014764
Conjecture, no allusions or basis in the games, unlike the idea of the butterfly effect.

>>180014828
YES IT IS
You're saying that Chloe needs to die because Max saved her and not saving her will undo changes.
You're ignoring the fact that Max changed time before she saved Chloe in that timeline and that the photo Chloe has is not the original Max took before discovering her powers.
You're disregarding facts that interfere with your foolish notion that the ending you chose, and the one you vehemently claim was intended, defeats itself using its own logic.

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>unironic bae/bay argument
I was going to wait for BtS to do a replay, but at this point I almost way to go through right now and compile every line in the game that specifically and unequivocally denounces bay, like all the times Max promises she will never leave Chloe again.

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It's Max's overuse of her power that's causing the tornado
>Solution is to go back to bathroom and let Chloe die
>Because if it wasn't for that meeting in the bathroom, Max would have never discovered her power
>So apparently the idea is to make a timeline where Max never discovers her power
>But we already did this (alt universe/w Wheelie Chloe), and the same paranormal events were still happening at exactly the same times
>Let's ignore that for the moment, and point out Max discovered her power as a direct result of seeing Chloe die
>Presumably, Chloe not dying would have the same effect (actually a better chance) at stopping her from discovering her powers
>But this is what we actually did in the first rewind, went back to the bathroom and engineered a scenario where Chloe didn't die, so Max wouldn't have to rewind
>Ah, but that was after Max had already rewound once. Maybe the butterfly photo takes you back to the first time Max enters the Bathroom.
>Except that we had to re-take the Butterfly photo the second time we went into the bathroom, so that photo should lead to the second time Max entered the bathroom, where she already has her powers
> And they already established with photographing Kate and David, that you don't get to keep the photos after a rewind (except for the purposes of the optional photo collection thing, you don't keep them in game).
>So the photo must lead to the post-rewind bathroom
>Whateva, let's ignore that for the moment as well and assume the photo does take Max back to the first time she enters the bathroom
>Then since this is the first time in the bathroom, doing exactly what she did the second time, triggering the alarm and saving Chloe, would have prevented her from discovering her powers. Since letting Chloe die the first time around is actually what led to Max discovering her powers.

>>180013864
thanks for reminding me

>>180015167
It's already been done, at least compling tons of lines showing Max's dedication to Chloe. Bayfags just say Max's feelings don't matter or show how she's in denial to the truth that she needs to lose Chloe (And that Chloe dying is max learning a lesson).

>>180015167
>I was going to wait for BtS to do a replay, but at this point I almost way to go through right now and compile every line in the game that specifically and unequivocally denounces bay, like all the times Max promises she will never leave Chloe again.

See >>180014669:

>"Do I need to make a similar compilation image of every time Max says "I'm not going to let you die William!", followed by an image of the scene where she finally accepts William's death?"

>>180015167
I was actually thinking of doing this too. I'm sure bayfags would just do mental gymnastics and continue telling us how bay is clearly the ending the game is pushing you towards somehow though

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how is this game on a second playthough?
i was thinking of getting high and having a comfy 2nd run of this game

maybe this time i will save kate ;_;

>>180015113
Explain exactly what you mean, how did Max interfere with time before the Nathen scene?

I could very easily be wrong, tell me exactly why.

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>>180015093
That's not conjecture. That's fact. Play the first episode again. She time travels back to the classroom after Chloe is first shot, then takes the picture she uses in the Bay Ending.

Remember how she discovered she could enter photos to change history? By being sad and staring at the photo of Chloe and William. Bay Ending Autopilot Max still has the bathroom photo. Logically speaking, she could have done the same thing during the time jump. Especially since we see her looking at a box of her photos during that sequence of everything changing. Max not using her powers there is inconsistent with her past characterization and how her power development had been portrayed up to that point.

>>180015583
Automax can't time travel you stupid anime-poster

>>180015504
Max has the vision of the storm and goes into the bathroom. She photographs the butterfly.
Chloe and Nathan come in and Nathan shoots Chloe, Max rewinds. This first rewind is like any other in the game since it moves Max backwards to her previous position as well. That butterfly photo is lost forever.
Max tests her power for the first time in the classroom by answering Jefferson's questions and by fixing her camera after it's knocked off her desk. These are already small alterations to time.
Max then remembers the girl in the bathroom and does everything she did originally, washes her face, photographs the butterfly, and waits until she saves the girl by triggering the fire alarm.
That second photo of the butterfly is the one Chloe takes later on and the one on the cliff, it was taken after Max has already rewound and changed things.
But if the idea is any change to time is wrong and caused the storm, then the significance of the change doesn't matter.

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>>180014254
gold

>>180015829
It's never established if she can or not, only that autopilot Max won't know any future or alternate events. She acts as Max would at discovering things.
It;s entirely possible that in week of the Bay Ending, possibly even right after Chloe was shot, that autopilot Max would discover Max's power and do exactly as Max did. Which would leave Max coming right back to the cliff with Chloe that she just left from. That ending would have actually be pretty powerful.

>>180015290
As long as Max never changes anything important the tornado will not come. Her just having the powers does not mean the tornado is going to happen. In the timeline where Chloe dies Max never uses her powers to stop someone from dying. This really shouldn't be that hard for you to understand.

>>180015829
Doesn't autoMax make jokes about using her powers in text messages to Chloe that we can read once we jump back into the "main" timeline in Episode 4? Something about throwing Chloe's beanie out the window, then rewinding to correct it? It's obviously just a joke and not something she actually did, but it's clear that autoMax knows about her powers, and should be able to use them just fine.

>>180015167
Just because you really really want something doesn't mean its the right choice.

The nature of sacrifice.

>>180015290
>using wheelie Chloe world as an argument

THATS A DIFFERENT PIECE OF TIME FUCKERY

>>180015583
The nature of Autopilot Max is unknown to us.

>>180015907
How do we know its any change that causes the storm? What about just people there when they shouldn't be?

>>180016135
>Anything important
So she can make changes, but she can't save anyone?
Then how come there's no storm a week after saving William, no predictions of another storm from saving Kate, or from Max saving herself?
But I thought time needed to be reset to be unchanged entirely so the storm doesn't come. Does the universe just hate the thought of Chloe Price and Max Caulfield being together that much?

>>180016132
But Chloe is still dead at that point so this did not happen, meaning Auto-Max either didn't or couldn't time travel

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>>180015829
Yes, she can. Otherwise Chloe would have died in the bathroom in the San Francisco Art Gallery timeline. Since she only lives due to Max's intervention. And all the photos up to Kate's Suicide in the timeline changing sequence are exactly the same. Which implies she still convinced Chloe she had time travel powers while on autopilot.

>>180016256
>How do we know its any change that causes the storm?
How do we know any change stops it?

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>>180016135
>using time travel powers to change ''minor'' stuff is okay
>but using the same time travel powers to save Chloe's life is a big NO

>>180016331
Somehow Chloe surviving her confrontation with Nathen is what causes the butterfly effect for the storm.

It isn't Max rewinding too much, it isn't William. It's Chloe.

Now what she did is anybody's guess, but thats the nature of the butterfly effect.

William's Butterfly effect was the accident that hurt Chloe.

>>180016412
Which is why I imagine Anon is saying there's a plot hole. Or at the very least strongly implying it.

>>180016465
Because the game alludes to that point constantly, and never alludes to the contrary. Why put the idea in our head?

>>180016331
Because the storm is already going to happen in those instances you stupid fuck. The universe doesn't care about small changes but it does care about Max saving a human life. The same thing would have happened if Chloe didn't come to school that day but Max still used her powers to save Kate.

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>>180016557
Well then the universe is just going tohave to learn to to live with Chloe because Max isn't giving her up.
If Max rolls over once and she shows she's weak, then next whatever cosmic force that revels in her misery may ask her to give up something else close to her.

>>180016913
Like every other human being on the planet, what a god damn tragedy

>>180016807
With that, you prove you have been defeated.

>>180016807
But if it's saving any human life that's the big deviation that causes the storm, why does William get to live five years without anything trying to kill him?

>>180016913
You can make that choice, but Chloe knows everyone and everything in her life besides you is gone and you could have done something about it, which directly conflicted with what was essentially her dying wish.

You confessed, you payed your debt. Sleep in your consequences.

>>180016476
Max taking slightly longer to go into the bathroom or having a different conversation is not a big deal, but saving a life is. This is not difficult to understand.

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You guys may be overthinking this.

I'm sure the point was that rewinding time to fix minuscule things lika a broken camera or answering a question has very, very, little effect on whether the universe gets mad or not.

But rewinding time to save a living soul, extending a life is something significant and that's a big no-no for the universe.

Fixing a camera and anwsering a question and then not rewinding ever again probably wouldn't anger the universe.

Probably.

>>180016807
The butterfly is meant to tell us, THAT MOMENT is the moment that effects the tornado.

Not the binary idea that Chloe is alive or dead, the fact that she didn't die RIGHT THERE is the cause.

>>180017045
Because his butterfly effect is the accident that hurts chloe
>>180016443
Well its obvious that auto max doesn't figure her powers out in this case, because chloe is still dead.

>>180017106
Now you're just being petty.
Despite claims of the contrary, all you've done is present arguments of utilitarianism or some kind of objective morality that does not exist.

>>180017160
>Some changes are okay
>Some changes are not
This is pathetic.

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Wait. Chloe actually had a shark in her room! The shark vs otter takes another meaning

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>>180017248
So then why does it show up in the bay ending at Chloe's funeral too?

>>180017160
>life is strange 2 is bizzaro land caused by Max flipping the wrong light switch in Bay timeline
>Gotta get back to the past to undo the future that is Bay

>>180017248
What strange and otherworldly insight allows you to know that that is what the butterfly means?

>>180017407
You are closing up the butterfly's loop

>>180017308
I'm not, thats just the fact of the matter.

Stop pushing moral relativism. Dude just like do whatever maaaaan nothing matters.

>>180017279
Which is a plot hole. Because Auto Pilot Max already knows she can rewind time at this point due to the moment in time Max travels to being after Max knows about her powers.

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These are the dying arguments of the Bayers. They have be disproven, outflanked by logic, and smashed by instances in the game. They are stumbling over themselves and using revisionism to try to justify and explain their indefensible position. Now saying that some changes to time are okay but saving a life (But only if it's Chloe's) causes problems.

Finish them once and for all and claim our victory! Do it for them!

>>180017443
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Butterfly+effect

>>180017572
Her discovery of that power was already happen stance. She just didn't happen to find it in the timeline where chloe dies.

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>>180017629

>>180017629
>this delusion

If you want to roleplay as an imperfect human, thats fine. If you can't accept your ship sinking thats fine too.

Don't pretend Bay isn't the best choice and the thematically sound one.

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>>180017370
She does have one!
She needs a small plush one to keep on the dashboard of her truck.
I seriously love the link to Chloe and sharks. My favorite animal and my favorite girl.

>>180017693
But the photo she uses in Bay comes from a timeline where Max has already discovered her powers

>>180016256
>THATS A DIFFERENT PIECE OF TIME FUCKERY

nope

>>180017876
You don't understand how the butterfly effect works. Read up.

>>180017990
No, you don't understand how it works.
The Butterfly Effect deals with realistic consequences and fallout as a result of something once thought to be small. A ripple from throwing a pebble into a pond.
William surviving and Chloe having an accident are an example of that. The storm is something entirely different, without cause and without reasoning. It just exists and exists despite differences across multiple timelines.
If it was about Chloe then it would not be coming in a timeline where she never met with Nathan nor in one where Jefferson shot her dead.
Your argument was that it's coming in those cases because there's still the point Max changed time in the bathroom, but it's already been shown to you that even if that it true, it is impossible for Max to get back to before that point in time since she doesn't have the "real" photo.

>>180018406
The inciting incidents are clearly defined

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>>180007880
8. As other Baebros say, Max is constantly saving Chloe and even says it was her destiny to save her.

Listen Bayfags, you have to remember. Going with bae ending, Max can still choose to go back and fix shit if she truly wants to. She doesn't need rewind to warn people and save Chloe. Such a decision didn't need to be done at the cliff. Max has all the time of the world to make such a decision or any. She can disagree with Chloe and say "We're safe right here Chloe. No need to rush things. Let's investigate and think of a strategy if we're right".

Like other baebros, I love bringing "what if questions" and question the logic about how sure Max could be that resetting a timeline would have no consequence to the space-time space time continuum. But even accepting the logic and going on with it, it doesn't make sense.
You can call us baebros mass murderers and make us seem that Max is a monster if we choose to sacrifice Chloe all you want. it's meaningless.
Max never bothers or even tries to warn the townspeople anywhere in the game, except the homeless woman. She forgets all about the storm in the art gallery timeline. It's obvious where her priorities where. As I stated earlier, going with Bae, Max can go back and make things right if need be.
"But you're tampering more with timez!!" That's exactly what you're doing if you go with Bay.

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>"How does Chloe not dying cause the moon to change paths and cause an unexpected eclipse, and even appear twice in the sky?"
>"B-butterfly effect!!!!"

cmon bayfriends

>>180018693
*chose to sacrifice Arcadia Bay

>>180018706
Explicitly what it is. If you are upset take it up with the Devs.

>>180018706
Being in an empty (or even mostly-empty) cinema by yourself is fucking awesome tho.

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>>180018693
It's pretty much my headcanon ending that Max goes back a day or two after the storm and uses her photo from Episode 3 of her and Chloe in the morning to tell Chloe, and leave a note for herself, that they need to warn people about the storm and tell David about the Dark Room.
That really is the best ending. People still learn their lessons, Max has helped Kate and others, more people are saved, Jefferson and Nathan are arrested, Chloe is spared memory of finding Rachel's body, and most importantly: Max and Chloe are together.
It's a win/win/win and if at any point Max wnated to lay some heavy stuff down on Chloe about the alternate timeline then she could and Chloe would support her.

>>180014669
Here's the problem with that interpretation (though I agree that was the devs intent):

If the devs wanted to make that point then it should have been Chloe who had the ability to change the past and learn about the consequences. Then a choice the choice at the end would make more sense. But Max has clearly moved forward with her life since leaving Arcadia Bay; she has professional ambitions and she is pursuing those goals. She's generally a kind and caring person who's grateful for what she has in life. Max's character flaw is her lack of confidence in herself. Playing through the game we see Max grow from a timid unsure girl into a confident woman who is willing to do anything to help her friends. Max grows because of her powers and her desire to help Chloe. She saves multiple lives and gets justice for the victim of a horrible crime. If anything the story has taught Max that she has to fight for what she believes in and that it's worth pain and suffering to help others. If Max sacrifices Chloe, then everything she learned, all she's fought for, and all her development has been negated. The ideal ending would have been an option to intervene directly, maybe take the bullet for Chloe, when Nathan pulls the gun. The Bay ending is basically, lol, nothing you did mattered.

>>180018931
>Explicitly what it is
It's a bastardization of the concept that was successful used in other parts of the game. Again, that deals with realistic actions and consequences, not the supernatural.
The storm is just poor writing with nothing to back it up.
There's absolutely no explanation how Max could have a vision of the storm before doing anything and that saving Chloe is the sole thing that causes the storm. It's always coming regardless of what Max does and regardless of the state Chloe is in.

>>180016135
then the butterfly effect metaphor doesn't work at all

>>180019153
The one time I was in an empty theater by myself I couldnt stop thinking "What if I have a heart attack or something? No one will be in to even notice for like two hours"

Anxiety sure is fun.

>>180019551
Not everything is all or nothing.

Baefag arguments seem so stemmed in headcanon and absolutes.

>>180019747
Bayfag arguments have been nothing but numbers, ignoring character feelings, and ignoring anything that proves their idea wouldn't work.
An ending that only works when you turn your brain off and don't question it, but that collapses the instant you apply any bit of thought to it. You yourself have applied a bit of headcanon but saying it's better for Chloe to die because Max and her would never be able to be happy or have a successful relationship together...which is utter bollocks by the way.

>>180020078
Your trivializing many different arguments into the trolley problem, you are either being ignorant or willfully ignorant

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>>180019153
It is pretty fun. I've gone a few times and the theater was near empty.
Would be even better if you have a date with you.

>>180019747
>>180019747
No our arguments are based on character development and statements made by the characters themselves. There's a difference between, "I would sacrifice Chloe" and "Max would sacrifice Chloe".

>>180017693
She travels back to a point that is after her learning about her powers though.

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Re-did that Frank selfie from a while ago, it was just way too dark.
Enjoy.

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kiss~

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>>180021454
Nice work, Joshi! I remember seeing the original a while back.

I'm excited to see more of Frank in the prequel and to see some banter between him, Chloe, and Rachel. Maybe even Pompidou is there depending how old he is. We could learn the full story of how Frank got him.
If you look at Pompidou's chest there then it looks a little bit like a dog's face ∪＾ェ＾∪

>>180014367
>fully fleshed out
As is the other. It does not have unfinished textures or anything.

>links back to the start
Bae links back to the start with the use of the song, and committing to the choice she'd made in the beginning.

>new character models, new locations
The wrecked town is also a new location. This boils down to which of the two took more effort, which I don't think is as skewed as people casually imagine.

>finality and resolution to the game's story
The other also offers finality and resolution: Max and Chloe sticking together through all.

>discordant emotions
Yes, because Max's smile in the Bay ending is totally the accordant reaction to just coming out of that bathroom and having broken down. They are both in-line with the narrative message dontnod wanted to convey, respectively, and both unrealistically emotionally discordant.

>no real sense of conclusion
It is lacking in that sense, but the sentiment of the conclusion is in there: Max and Chloe prevail.

>significantly under-value the Bae ending seems to be an indication of intent
The Bae endings shows what they wanted it to show: Max and Chloe prevailing through the tragedy, and finding strength in each other despite it. It's not that they totally confused what the choice means. It's an appropriate ending for the choice it follows, even if it lacks cinematical and emotional impact.

>>180021175
The character development is that she would sacrifice Chloe.

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>>180022423
>G-guys, the Bae ending cinematic t-totally compares favourably to the Bay cinematic, r-right???

>>180014507
>we're seriously arguing about whether or not the cliche "for the greater good" ending wasn't intended?
No, as has become apparent now, what you are really arguing with "intended" is which ending fits the story better. And that's an age-old argument. If you are saying it's objectively the truth that one is, and using "intended" as a veiled way to say that, you are wrong. Sure, it's possible that some of the important people at dontnod think it's more fitting for the narrative they created. Other people might not think so, with good reason. I do agree with your assessment in >>180014669: The power very much seems intended a metaphor here in that it represents Max's "childish" unwillingness to let Chloe go, which she "grows" to overcome in the end and accept the "way things are supposed to be" or the "inevitability of shit happening in life". Metaphor also in the sense that dontnod seems to want to spin it so that Chloe's death was "supposed to be" and Max never actually had the power to prevent it - it was just one strange (and beautiful and horrible) odyssey to acceptance, both for her and Chloe. But the entire story can be understood and interpreted fundamentally differently, and offers plenty in the way of a story that ends on Bae.

I don't know what exactly it is you mean with "intended" - if you are saying that it is the ending the directos would pick and consider the right one for the narrative, I'd agree that that seems relatively obvious (but not beyond debate either; it's not like Michel/Raoul/Cano have ever shared their thoughts on it); if you are saying they are right to because it actually is more consistent and fitting for the narrative, I disagree vehemently, and so do countless other people - some of the dontnod people included.

RACHEL IS A SKINWALKER

>>180022773
As a huge baefag, yes the bae ending could have much more than what it was. Doesn't make a difference though.

>>180020078
You're entire argument has been the appliance of baseless and arbitrary time travel rules that you created in your own head though. You say that the tornado's appearance is connected to max ever using her powers at all when we don't know that that is true. You claim that the existence of that blue butterfly in the bay indicates that the storm is coming in that timeline as well while also denying that Max's dream at the begging of the game ties her use of time travel to save Chloe to the tornado destroying the bay. You just select information that works in your benefit and act like you're coming to a scientific conclusion.

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Typical /lisg/ drama fights are back.

>>180021208
But not about her ability to travel through photos

>>180023762
You have no idea the amount of salt this prequel is about to cause

>>180024076
I don't think they'll have a shitty binary ending this time

I feel numb
I feel numb in this kingdom
AAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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>>180024643
NOO ITS STUCK AGAIN

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>>180023505
I wouldn't worry about it

>>180023737
You've doubled back on your own thinking to try to prove your point. Going from "Any changes cause the storm" to "Chloe not dying causes the storm but some changes are okay to make".
This may not be scientific or entirely possible to explain but it's a damn sight better than the crap you've been trying to put forth. Changing your entire points back and forth and then settling on "It's butterfly effect" as if that's an explanation for anything or reason to prove one ending is correct over another.
Give up and move on before you make a name for yourself for being a fool.

>>180025736
And I did not claim anything about the presence of a blue butterfly in the Bay Ending, that's just something someone made in connection to a Tweet once put put that called the butterfly the storm summoner.
All I've been saying is letting Chloe die goes against everything Max stands for and against the information she would have in that moment when being asked to make a choice. A choice, which someone else pointed out, that could be made much later and after seeing the storm's damage if any changes were even needed in the first place.

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HURRRRR IM RIGHT

NO IM RIGHT

NO HURRRRR IM RIGHT

HERES WHY UR RONG

WELL HERES WHY UR RONG

HURRRRR UR RONG

NO UR RONG

>>180024018
But she did practically the exact same thing that unlocked her photo travel ability, so logically speaking she should have gotten it there.

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these threads are comfy

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Max is adorable!

>>180025736
>Any changes cause the storm
I never said that though. In fact, that was the point I was arguing against because it would imply that max using her time travel powers in the 15 minutes before she saw Chloe get shot to rewind her camera being broken and maybe change her responses to certain questions would cause the storm to come anyway.

>>180026478
The idea that it's Chloe specifically causing the storm is just as absurd.

>>180026117
I Don't care about what Max would do, I'm arguing the subjective morality of the bae choice
>>180026436
Well sense we don't get to see what max does during auto-pilot we don't know what she did during that time did we

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>>180026441
She sure is! Also a hella good person and photographer!

>>180021914
Really like this one!
I'm also excited to see more of them all. So far the new voice actor is doing quite a good job for him.

>>180026747
>subjective morality of the bae choice
It is not your place to argue and the huge problems that would come with Chloe's death have already been pointed out. The effects it would have on Max, Chloe's family, and Max's family.
You're just trying to make people who chose Bae feel like they did something wrong and to feel bad about and like Max would just be miserable with Chloe.

>>180026587
Then I suppose its good that I literally said that it wasn't Chloe causing the storm and that using time travel to save a different human life would have resulted in similar repercussions. For example, saving William creates the timeline where Chloe is crippled. The butterfly effect was probably less intense because he was older, if you want an explanation for that.

>>180027027
I going to come to your neighbors house and murder him with a tire iron and if you call the police I'm going to tell you that it is not your place to argue the morality of my actions because you are not directly effected.

>>180026376
Actually a good conversation

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>>180026812
I concur

>>180022656
that makes no sense since she already practically sacrificed Chloe in leaving Arcadia Bay in the first place and never bothering to contact her. Before Chloe got shot Max probably never even intended to reconnect with Chloe.

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>>180022423
>It's an appropriate ending for the choice it follows, even if it lacks cinematical and emotional impact.
And people regularly forget that the after-choice sequence on the cliff itself is part of the ending. The cliff part of the Bae ending is absolutely cinematically and emotionally compelling to me. Max's determined and confident ripping of the photo, Chloe taking her hand, their promise they renew as they face the storm hand-in-hand, Chloe giving Max her shoulder to lean on and holding her, bearing the destruction, Obstacles starting to play. It's a narratively, emotionally and cinematically brilliant final note to the story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njmkPRFvJx0

>>180026376
we're just waiting around until the prequel comes out, then we'll talk about that. Also, welcome to the internet.

>>180027235
You are really REALLY reaching.

Moving away is not sacrifice.

>>180027051
>The butterfly effect was probably less intense because he was older, if you want an explanation for that.
lol

Preventing Chloe's death led to moons popping in and out of existence in the matter of days, but William's to a car accident years down the line... because he's older.

Jump on another horse, this one's not high enough for the route you're trying to take. Logistically, you cannot explain why going back to the bathroom should prevent the storm. You can say "because dontnod said so", but that's about it, and nobody has to eat their shit.

are there any comments about ultrawide support in BtS?

>>180027659
That's how the in story idea of how the butterfly effect works. You are just ignoring intentional allusions to several different inspirations to life is strange and hints in game.

Why would they let us make the choice if it does nothing?

Because the final episode was rushed and not thought out.

I wonder what the limits are on Max's photo travel abilities. Doesnt seem like the photo needs to be taken by her or even have her in it. Does she just need to be nearby when the photo was taken? Could she jump into photos she's not involved with in any way and override some random person from it?

>>180028152
>That's how the in story idea of how the butterfly effect works.
Which is saying "because dontnod said so". It is not logistically sound or internally consistent. Kate and William's living/dying change next to nothing, Chloe's the course of the entire universe in impossible ways.

>>180028490
Thats the weird thing about the butterfly effect, for all you know assassinating a movie star could effect the universe less than littering. Welcome to the literary concept, Chloe had some serious implications on the stability of the universe.

Somebody once said that LiS is a poem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc

>>180028631
>Thats the weird thing about the butterfly effect
Which is again, "because dontnod said so". The narrative itself does not give us reason to believe letting Chloe die solves anything or that she is the reason for the impossible phenomena we see.

>>180029006
You are just ignoring facts and going lalala now. It's annoying.

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>>180026747
>Well sense we don't get to see what max does during auto-pilot we don't know what she did during that time did we

But we do, actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5lsTadfcSU#t=8m40s

>>180028362
Well, she's in every photo she travels into.

Except for the Bay Ending photograph, where only her reflection is present. Which is (yet another) anomaly in the Bay Ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG7RZonpN8o

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RACHEL's FAMILY IS THE ILLUMINATI

What I learned today:
Never ever leave anything up to interpretation and then have a sad ending, or else people will wiggle their way out of it as much as possible.

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forever and ever

So on a recommendation of a friend, I blasted through the game yesterday in one sitting and loved it, now all I want to do is hear the story of a sequel that's never going to happen.

>>180030859
I would pick Bae even if it was 100% clear every single person in town died and Chloe was personally responsible for the storm. I still enjoy shitting on how poorly done the Bay ending was.

>>180016689
Where does the game allude to the idea that changing the past stops it?

In the AU timeline, Max uses her photo power to prevent the bathroom incident from existing altogether, and the storm is still coming. She used her photo power to prevent the situation in which she had to use her rewind power to save Chloe. That's the exact same thing she does in the Bay ending. But the storm still came.

>>180030859
You don't consider the Bae ending sad for the loss of Arcadia? What a terrible, morally bankrupt stance.

Maybe people don't "wiggle their way out" of something more so than truly understand and appreciate the one ending as the right one?

I give you a real tip: Don't write an ending to your story if you don't think it fits the story. Dontnod wrote both endings, and I think they are smart enough that they wouldn't have done so if they thought one of them shouldn't have been there. You might not be though, so take that lesson from today.

>>180031179
I would pick it too but we all know not everybody died. Some died but most survived and none of it is Max's fault.

>>180031424
Of Course the storm is a tragedy for Arcadia Bay, nobody claims it's not. It's a natural disaster. Those happen, people come together, the government gives aid, memorials are erected, things are built, and people go on knowing to respect nature in the future.

What doesn't happen, and what cannot be helped, is people who have to give up loved ones because of time-related bullshit. It would be impossible to console Max after the Bay Ending because she cannot even tell anyone what her problem is.

>Dontnod wrote both endings, and I think they are smart enough that they wouldn't have done so if they thought one of them shouldn't have been there
You give them way too much credit considering they acknowledged some of the inconsistencies and said they don't need to be explained. The original choices of On The Road or the Hospital Ending would have been slightly better since Chloe lives in both and the mess of an idea of Chloe must DIE is averted, but it's still not perfect.

>>180031424
People wiggle out of the Bae ending too, they claim they don't see the bodies.

>>180032457
Six or seven bodies. Out of a town of hundreds where we clearly see most buildings still standing.
Nobody tries to wiggle out of anything, they just say the choice wasn't choose between letting Chloe die or letting the entire town die.

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Fellow baefags please don't say there's no proof that going back in time and letting Chloe die will solve anything.
There is no concrete proof of it but there is a correlation of Max's power and the storm. Saying that there is no reasons/proof is silly.

>>180032836
Exactly, own your choice don't make excuses.

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>>180032836
I question the correlation and while I think Max's powers may have caused the storm, she wouldn't have any reason to believe she could stop it.
If anything it would have been created in her first rewind that was uncontrolled. I could believe that her moving herself backwards and going back a pretty large amount of time, instantly, broke something and caused the problems.
However the solution to that wouldn't be to go back and let Chloe die. There is no real solution to it other than perhaps going back and just redoing setting off the fire alarm as originally, talking Nathan into putting down the gun, or letting Chloe get shot and doing a normal and controlled rewind.
Or just accept the storm was always coming and focus on going back to warn more people.

>>180033204
Don't come into our thread and talk down to us.
We've all owned our choices but you seem to be unconvinced by yours and are trying to rip us down to your level.

>>180033562
I'm perfectly happy with mine, stop projecting, you sound like a whiner.

>>180032836
Theres proof letting Chloe die would stop the storm, yes. Not proof Max would have when making the decision, however.

Do you guys honestly BELIEVE that DONTNOD made the binary choice "sacrifice Arcadia Bay, Chloe lives" and "Sacrifice Chloe, Arcadia Bay is still destroyed"?

Like, really? Come on now. I get thinking they could have been more articulate (was just fine for me better than some exposition character spelling it out while winking at the screen) but really you think that is the choice?

>>180033937
Visions.

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The night after the storm, the girls arrive in Seattle on their way to Max's parents house.
They stop outside the city to get out and see the view. Chloe's never seen a large city in person before. They don't know exactly what will happen but they do know that they will face it together.

>>180034250
Her visions simply show her the storm, and they started before saving Chloe. Chloe isnt even in the visions, so they actually undercut the idea that its related to her at all.

>>180033816
Says the person that came into a place overwhelmingly Bae and then started whining that people weren't thinking the same way as they were

>>180034464
Only vision Chloe is in is the second one when she's what snaps Max out of it. Max is watching the storm and feels Chloe's hand on her shoulder and that brings her back to reality.
Otherwise the only other thing in the visions is the Rachel doe that looks at Max from the treeline.

>>180034543
No whining in any of my posts, and i've been more than reasonable in entertaining actual arguments.

If anything shitposters in here are far worse, but thats the internet so I wont complain.

I love arguing bae vs bay

Helps distract from my crippling post-LiS depression

Can you guys clarify what exactly we're getting? From what I've heard there are two games:
LiS 2 which is the sequel
And a prequel made by a different studio that looks like a cashgrab

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>>180033428
I 100% agree with you. I said in previous posts that if Max chooses to go back in time, she can do so at anytime she wishes with Bae ending. Chloe and Max would probably test things out and see how their relationship works for a couple days, weeks, or even months before deciding what to do. Max would analyze and draw out a plan.
There's a reasonable doubt that Max would choose the Bay ending and a reasonable doubt that such decision would make a difference.
All I'm saying is that stating there's "0% proof" or "Max won't even think of considering to kill her Chloe. It's a no-brainier what she will choose" is wrong.

But yes fuck bayfags

>>180034870
If Chloe dies Max will never be happy. Best girl Kate survives because the hospital is out of town.

>>180034958
Correct, prequel by a different studio with Chloe coming soon, followed at some unspecified later point by season 2, with a new setting, new cast, and new story, done by dontnod

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Two or three days after being in Seattle, Chloe gets a phonecall from Joyce saying that she's bruised up but alright. David calls Chloe shortly after and the relief in his voice when he hears Chloe answer is palpable. Max gets calls from Kate and Warren, and texts from others, checking to see if she's alright.
Max and Chloe decide to go back to Arcadia Bay to see the people they care about and to retrieve stuff from Chloe's room. They go down back to the town, have their reunion, have a service for Rachel and the others lost, and help with what they can.

Joyce and David decide it's best for Chloe to go live with the Caulfields for awhile while things are rebuilt and the police do all their investigations about Jefferson and the Presccotts. Max and Chloe pack up The Beast with some of Chloe's stuff, say their goodbyes, and drive off together, this time knowing things turned out a lot better than they initially thought.

If the prequel gives creedence to any side of the Bae/Bay war there will be meltdowns

>>180034958
-Prequel and bonus episode developed by Deck Nine, totally independent of DONTNOD.
-Season 2 developed by DONTNOD. New cast, story, and setting.
-The live-action series by Legendary Digital. No real news on that yet.

>>180035150
The prequel footage I saw looked like garbage, Burch isn't a great VA but they found a worse one. Rachel was pretty qt.
The new setting and characters for the actual sequel worries me a little, but honestly I expected the original to be shit until I tried it so I'll wait and see. I'm just glad to hear they're separate games.

>>180035240
If they would just show that the hospital is in a different town I could stop giving a shit along with half of /lisg/

>>180035240
Deck Nine is obviously trying to avoid anything like that but any hints they give may inadvertently hint to something.
Only possibility though is further damaging the Bay side's narrative since any supernatural stuff happening would show Max's power is not the first occurrence.
I can't think of anything that could happen in the prequel that would hurt the Base side.

>>180035042
Max found happiness without Chloe for a while, Chloe found happiness after Rachel.

>>180035703
>Chloe found happiness after Rachel.
Did we play the same game?

>>180035573
It seems to be a fairly large hospital for such a small town.

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>>180035674
Rachel finds out Chloe needs to die at a certain time and dies trying to stop it. Or some other wacky BS

>>180035573
It's far enough that it's not visible from the lighthouse cliff and far enough that Chloe had to drive Max to it. For stuff in the town such as Two Whales, the beach, or Chloe's house, Max could take a shuttle from Blackwell.
Hospital is somewhere outside of Arcadia Bay and even if it was in the town it would be built sturdy and with a shelter for patients in the event of bad weather.

>>180035756
Uh, Max became that happiness? Hello? Arn't you a Baefag?

>>180035818
Not a response

>>180035790
>>180035846
Thanks for the reassurance, anons. Although given that it was a magical apocalypse storm if it was in the town it would be wrecked.

>>180035834
I've considered that and it is possible Rachel did save Chloe and then handed her powers to Max after she died. Sticking around as the spirit doe to observe and guide Max and see that Chloe got her closure.
However since we're playing from Chloe's point of view, we would never know since it's obvious Rachel never told Chloe about any kind of power. It would only be much later on as Chloe thought about Rachel that she may realize Rachel had the same power Max does. Which would be bone-chilling to see that realization.

>>180036046
Even stuff that was in the town wasnt super wrecked. A fortified building like a hospital would be fine based on the damage we saw.

Assuming it isnt just a failure of the art team to properly show the destruction.

>>180035984
Chloe is constantly thinking about Rachel, Max is just a replacement and Chloe doesn't deserve her at all. I'm a Baefag, but only because it's what makes Max happy.

So what's /lisg/'s thoughts on the new voice actor?

After watching through the gameplay vid twice, I don't think it sounds so bad - people got way angrier than they should have imo. There are even a couple of lines that sounded indistinguishable from Ashley.

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>>180036246
What I heard sounded like text-to-speech. Rachel sounded great though, who's the actress?

>>180035818
I like this image.

>>180036232
That is really unhealthy

>>180036401
Yes it is, but Max's short-term happiness>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone in Arcadia Bay.

>>180036046
>a magical apocalypse storm
It was an EF 2 or 3 tops. They happen every year in the US and despite some very nasty damage, there are usually few deaths.

>>180036508
Hey, listen i'm proud of you for at least being honest with your priorities.

i'd be terrified to be around you in real life

>>180036545
But the whole point was that everyone died. When they went back the next day no one was there.

>>180036609
don't worry, I have no one in real life to feel that way about

>>180036545
Man, I wish they just showed the fucking bodies

Instrumentality pretty much confirms everybody dies

Here is a real question, because this isn't a tough dilemma for many Baefags, does that mean DONTNOD did a poor job getting people to care for Arcadia Bay and the side characters?

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>>180036232
That's entirely wrong.
If anything Rachel was a replacement for Max, but even saying that is a big stretch and insult to Rachel since it's clear they were different and that Chloe was attracted to different aspects in both of them.
Chloe may have had feelings for Rachel, but Rachel didn't return them and was hiding things from Chloe. Max may have left Chloe for five years, but she's still who Chloe dreamed of since childhood. Max and Chloe bring out the absolute best in each other and very quickly after being together again they realize how much they were missing.
Even if Rachel was found safe and alive, I fully believe that Chloe would pursue a relationship with Max.

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>>180036721
Having even half a brain proves there's no way everybody died.
Tornadoes are not nukes.

>>180036965
This makes me feel a little better, thanks anon.

>>180037104
I agree, but the game basically tells you that everyone died. That's the root of the 2deep4u moral choice.

>>180037104
Please, explain magic time tornados effect on a barely prepared town?

>>180036908
Not at all. DONTNOD did a great job with the side characters and creating a town that felt believable. I cared about some of the side characters and felt bad for them, I hoped they found their own ways to survive or flee from the town. At the end of it, the ones who would be truly effected were Max and Chloe and I wasn't going to accept an ending unless they were alive and together. They are the only two who would ever know what Max truly went through and to separate them would them in one way or another.
We were never really shown anything conclusive in the town o I still do believe that most managed to survive.

Some may call that delusional or dodging but I see absolutely no reason to accept the worst case scenario when nothing was done to convince me that was the case.

Prequel Chloe is cute! CUTE!

>>180037380
You dont have to understand much about tornado mechanics to see with your eyes that the damage is F2 levels at most.

Plus you see a body covered with a blanket, unless the storm was kind and covered it up nicely, someone living did that.

>>180037235
The game tells you nothing.

>>180037380
Please explain what the difference between a tornado spawned by magic and a tornado spawned by weather occurrences is.
We see the damage the tornado left behind, it's not even close to a complete wipe out. Not when the roads are clear and buildings are still standing.

>>180037653
They drive through the destroyed town without a single person shown or heard. Also, if there are almost no casualties, how is it even a difficult choice?

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>>180036246
The new voice has grown on me quite a lot.

The problem, for me, is that Ashly Burch has a very distinctive voice, and she has continued to show up in more and more things over time. Even at the time of Season 1 I was already aware of her from a number of different web series (Hey Ash, the Team Fortress 2 stuff, etc), and she keeps showing up in video games, cartoons, and all sorts of things today. I can recognise her voice on sight (sound?). So when I go back to play Season 1, Chloe frequently doesn't sound like "Chloe" to me, she sounds like Ashly Burch. Max sounds like Max, Kate sounds like Kate, Nathan sounds like Nathan ... but Chloe sounds like Ash.

Chloe's new voice is different to her old one - perhaps a little too different - but it also doesn't sound like a "famous" person doing the lines any more. It feels a bit more "real" in this sense (although we might need to see a bit more - especially from the dramatic scenes - before we can judge how "real" it feels from an acting standpoint.)

So I'm remaining neutral. I think the new girl could absolutely win me over as long as BtS isn't total bullshit. Huge shoes to fill, but for me personally, she's got the above on her side.

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>>180037563
Any Chloe is cute! Chloe is cute!

>>180037853
Your "All or nothing" way of thinking is getting annoying and is entirely dishonest.
How did the bodies get covered up? How did any fires get extinguished? How did the roads get cleared?
We don't see anyone because Dontnod botched the art direction and didn't show us anything. Not because the entire town was killed.

Are you going to play prequel Chloe as sweet and innocent or as a slutty bitch?

>>180038085
Your "assuming the best when there is no proof" is just as annoying, and completely removes the challenge in the most important choice.

I'm sure maybe SOMEONE survived, but its obvious many many did not.

Or else the whole final choice is meaningless.

>>180038085
And no one calls out to them for help as they drive past? No emergency services helping out?
Fine, let's assume you're right, because real-world (notably not magical video game world) logic is on your side. What's the big ethical dilemma that ends the game? Save your waifu or like 4 people who die in the storm?

>>180038142
Sweet until we get that blue hair transformation

>release date August 31
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>180038361
>needing to sacrifice the quality of the game in your eyes to justify your choice

>>180038535
What did he mean by this?

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>>180038142
I'll play her how I saw her in the original and how I thought of her: Not hurting random people who don't deserve it, but not above trying to get revenge if someone tries to hurt her or her friends. Chloe likes to show off if someone is watching. Any choices or dialogue options about Max will have her talking fondly of Caulfield and how she misses her.

So most choices will be trying to be nice unless I feel something poses a threat to Chloe. If I enjoy the game then I'll probably do a replay and just being as delinquent as possible. But the stats for that won't be recorded. If there are stats.

>>180038631
> there wasn't anybody after the storm because the developers are bad, not because I made a bad decision and they all died

>>180038636
>talking fondly of Caulfield and how she misses her
Wasn't she angry about being abandoned at the time? I imagine she would avoid the conversation entirely.

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>>180038361
Why does there need to be some huge ethical dilemma?
Every lesson Max could learn from the final choice she had already learned at another point in the game.
Are you so poor at reading into things that you do not understand subtly and meaning? Why do you need a visible disaster to get any kind of message?

>>180038845
I think you might be replying to the wrong person.

>>180038883
>Why does there need to be some huge ethical dilemma?
There doesn't need to be, but it's clearly meant to be, hence all the drama. You're taking this conversation in a weird and irrelevant direction.

>>180038858
She was definitely upset but if she started remembering playing with Max or a particular moment then I think that'd make her smile and put her in a good mood for the moment.
Like the scene with her and Rachel looking through the binoculars, if Chloe starts having fun then Rachel may notice and ask why Chloe's so happy. That could be a time where something like "Just thinking of old times" would pop up as a choice.

>>180038883
What the heck are you talking about

guaranteed in the prequel chloe will keep talking about max and telling rachel how she would have liked her

How old are Rachel and Chloe in this and how the fuck did they get into that party?

>>180039175
She kept telling Max about Rachel so I can see it.

>>180038915
I was agreeing with you but yeah I guess I could see how that would read weird

>>180039036
You're the one who's been spending the whole thread deepthroating shoddy writing and trying to claim anybody who doesn't do the same is in the wrong.
Or saying that anyone who doesn't buy into your pessimistic belief that everybody dies in the storm is living in some kind of fairy tale land.

>>180039169
What purpose does the storm serve in the story?
Why was its inclusion necessary? That's what I'm saying. Because I guarantee whatever answer you give I can say was already addressed earlier in the game.

>>180039368
Oh, okay. Sorry for the confusion, it's late.

>>180039406
If not too many people die in the storm, there was never a choice.

Also see:
>>180038845

>>180039406
>>180039562
The purpose was to close out the story. Maybe it's shoddy writing, but the intention is to make you choose between one girl and an entire town of people.
On the other hand, you could say that Chloe and Max don't know shit about storms and just assume everyone is dead.

>>180039641
There never WAS a choice. Bae 5ever.

>Rachel caused the storm
>Max goes back and saves Rachel
>Rachel tells the truth to Chloe
>Max and Chloe get together
>Storm never happens

THE END

Rachel seems kind of bipolar.

>>180039770
Sounds fine to me.

Will the new protagonists be cute girls again?

>>180039782
she's getting upset by future events and rewinding, obviously

>>180039895
I'm half expecting gay guys this time

>>180039770
What is the developers are Bayfags?

>>180040003
>gay guys
That would just show that the devs have no clue why the original was popular.

>>180039782
That's not Bipolar, you uneducated retard.

>>180040103
If they were, they wouldn't have let you choose bae.

>>180039770
Yes but I want it to be a 30 hour masterpiece of story telling with a perfect ambiance and sound track. I also want the original voice cast to reprise their roles.

It's absolute bullshit that a game so voice performance driven basically has an entirely new cast.

>>180040114
I genuinely dont think they do get it.

>>180040003
Please no

>>180040114
The reason the original was popular was because it appealed to an unserved audience: gay women, and those who prefer more narrative games.

>>180040134
>hey Chloe let's do this
>okay
>now I'm angry because I don't want to do this
>okay let's do what you want
>proceeds to be sulky
>hey what's wrong
>fuck you we aren't friends anymore

>>180040183
I mean the before the storm devs

>>180040263
You're silly, anon.

>>180040351
Oh yeah, that would suck.

>>180040263
The original was popular because it BTFO all other story based games, actually had an awesome gameplay element attached, fetishized modern America in a way never seen before and actually made it appealing, and overall made an awesome story.

Gay ladies are just the cherry on top. Gay men WILL fracture the fanbase HARD.

>>180039717
The story wasn't closed out by the the storm, it was stopped abruptly. Max and Chloe just leave and we're not told anything of what happened.
The storm was the single worse thing included in the game by far and it could have had a much more fitting and interesting conclusion without it.

>>180039782
>>180040314
We weren't shown those full scenes. They were skipping parts and showing little glimpses so they may make more sense in the full context of the game.

>>180040103
Then there's nothing they can do. They've already said they're not going give away or ruin anything already established so there's no way to try to hint to the Bay ending.
They could be the biggest bayfags possible but since it's a prequel they can do nothing to advance such an agenda. If they're Baefriends then they could give little hints about a storm or about supernatural powers but since they said they want to be neutral, I wouldn't expect that either.

>>180040645
That too. It took a different spin on narrative games, put women in the protagonist roles, romanticized American culture, and delivered a pair of women in a developing romantic relationship, serving an underserved audience.

Lesbians are a significant portion of the fandom.

>>180039176
Chloe is 16, I dont know about Rachel, probably the same. It's an illegal concert in an abandoned building, I don't think security is a thing.

>>180041096
What would cause more butthurt, two gay men or an unambiguously straight white male protagonist.

>>180040849
It could but it didn't.

Let's get more suggestions for bingo!

>>180041270
The second one, obviously.

>>180041270
It's all the same, straight white male, gay Latino men, trans-queer femboy multiracial otherkin, if it isn't dorky white (preferably lesbian) teenage girls I probably won't play it.

>>180041270
the latter

I predict the next main protagonist will be an Asian girl though

>>180041359
>Chloe references Max
>Chloe says "Hella" for the first time
>Chloe flirts with Rachel
>Jefferson is referenced
>Pompidou is referenced
>David is a topcunt

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No matter what happens, Pricefield will live on!

>>180041359
"Trying pot for the first time"

>>180041467
If it isn't lesbians in some form, I will never return here, again.

>>180041856
I'll still be here for the original and hopefully the prequel.
is it completely stupid to hope the live-action is good

>>180041727
Chloe already met Frank in the first episode, and he said that she bought pot from him every month for a year.

>>180042130
Here's your pity reply.

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>>180042130
huh

>>180042130
I'll avoid engaging to avoid misplaced political conversation, but holy shit taste

>>180041270
What does anyone care? Gay, straight and bi are just a description of someones preferences. That's like being butthurt over what flavor of ice cream the protagonist prefers. Sure it could be seen as pandering or ripping off moonlight, but anyone interested in the game shouldn't let that get in the way of enjoying overall experience, if it works then it works. Unless they're just looking for fap material I suppose.

>>180042763
Many men feel uncomfortable receiving male attention in a game.

>>180042763
I want more cute nerdy girls being gay nerds. That's why I care.

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>>180041660
It's a shame we didn't get to see an epilogue of Chloe, Joyce, and David acting like a family after some time has passed and after they've all gotten counseling. Like the Summer after the storm they do their first real family barbecue and invite the Caulfields over.

>>180043110
Anon, they're dead.

>>180043110
They are probably dead?

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They're alive.

>>180041359
Were you making one with stuff from last thread?
Any work-in-progress cards?

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>>180043790
How do they afford such trips?

>>180043589
No, I'm not the one making them.

>>180043984
time travel and playing the stockmarket are a potent combination

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>>180043984
Max sells her photos and wins contests, Chloe makes good money fixing and detailing cars.
When they get older, they both work teaching at Blackwell which pays very nicely.

>>180044735
Blackwell is gone.

>>180042961
Weird. People should be willing to go outside of their comfort zones and look at the world from a different perceptive.

>>180043069
There's so many other works of fiction to scratch that itch for you, there's an entire board dedicated to sapphic work that would happily recommended you some. LiS doesn't start and end with "gay girls". If you're just looking for fap material check out tubekitty. Good variety.

>>180044925
even assuming the storm completely leveled the place (unlikely), it could be rebuilt

>>180045026
It's not weird at all.

>>180045089
It's weird to think that media would never make you uncomfortable. It's weird to want media to never make you uncomfortable. It's weird to want everything to pander to you. You don't have to insert yourself into a situation in order to be engaged by it, or at the very least not butthurt by it.

>>180045026
>LiS doesn't start and end with gay girls
>starts with Max and others in class
>ends with Max and Chloe
It literally does.

>>180043984
>the blue due slowly growing out
Nice.

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I took a big step out of my comfort zone for LiS and I ended up loving it more than i ever could have thought.
I don't care that much about what the characters for S2 are, as long as I like and enjoy who they are. Max and Chloe worked because of their relationship and personalities, not because of their orientation or whatever.

>yfw Kate is in the prequel

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>>180046296
It's a pretty nice look. I think eventually Chloe would let it go blonde for a bit.
But she'd end up dyeing it again at some point. Maybe her trademark blue or maybe something new. Plenty of time to try different colors and combos if she wanted.

>>180046409
They said she won't be.

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Max's VA is a QT

>>180046598
No, no waifuing! Fuck this dumb objectification.

>>180045974
It would be unintentional uncomfortable feelings in inappropriate situations. Different than say, Texas Chainsaw Massacre making you uncomfortable.

Immersion is a big part of interactive storytelling. I can play a dopey girl who likes girls, playing a man who likes men would be tough.

>>180046753
what? I'm pretty sure calling someone cute isn't ''waifuing''