/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

>The Ivory King will never breed your girlfriend

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reminder of scaling numbers for DS3

So that you guys can stop asking simple dumb questions

>>179977837
>The Ivory King will never breed your boyfriend

>>179977840
so if i'm understanding this right an E scaling will give you less per level than an A scaling, I thought it would be some kind of softcap thing were E scaling would stop giving returns at 20 or something

>watching youtube videos
>flexile sentries room apparently floods up to waist height
>this happens just 2 minutes into the fight
>never happened to me pnce
>realise all dark souls boss fights are over in a couple of minutes

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>>179977312
>My maxed out twink build is struggling against this legitimate lv30 character and this is my last max rank Estus
>I'll just subtly enable infinite poise in the middle of the fight, nobody will notice

>>179978374
How Do you backflip in Dark Souls 3?
Carthus Bloodring + Curved Swords?

>>179977965
This is a common misconception, and I don't know where people get this idea from. None of the souls games have ever been like that, letters were always flat percentages. Maybe because DS2 had softcaps at 20, but DS1 and DS3 do not.

You can look at a glance and figure out in your head (or with a pen an paper) exactly what the optimal level distribution is for any weapon and any level investment, there's no need to even use mugen if you don't want to (though it's usually faster) and asking about it constantly is just a waste.

Example, D/B scaling:

D strength scaling = ~37% more damage
>37% * 2.125 = 0.51% more damage per level of strength (2H up to 40)
>37% * 1.875 = 0.45% more damage per level of strength (1H up to 40)
>37% * 0.075 = 0.18% more damage per level of strength (2H up to 60)
>37% * 0.050 = 0.12% more damage per level of strength (1H up to 60)

B dex scaling = ~87% more damage
>87% * 1.750 = 0.64% more damage per level of dex (up to 40)
>87% * 0.050 = 0.18% more damage per level of dex (up to 60)
>87% * 0.075 = 0.28% more damage per level of dex (up to 80)

which means that dex is better to level up than strength up to 40, and then strength is better than ANY possible investment into dex (even 80 dex) until you reach 40 strength, at which point they become equal, until you invest enough levels to hit 40/80.

So yeah, on D/B 40/40 is better than 10/70. A good rule of thumb I'd found is that you need at least 2 letters of difference in scaling before a weapon is better on pure dex or pure strength. E/C, D/B, C/A, B/S are all better on 40/40 unless you can infuse.

What do you do after you beat the game

>>179978585
CS with the ds1 moveset backflip instead of kicking. If you mean the actual dwgr flip, it's cut content only available with CE

>>179978585
I don't know where you're seeing a backflip. Light Curved Sword moveset has a flip on the kick input, this is not a light Curved Sword. You're seeing the WA.

>>179978696
Co-op, PvP, grind items or start a new character.

>>179978696
If you're sane, go play something else. Maybe look into older from soft titles or buy a copy of DeS.

If you're not sane and take pleasure in endless wastes of time, pvp and NG+.

>>179978767
What are some good ways to spice up a new character run?

>>179978696
beat my meat

>>179978823
SL1, base SL using starting gear, gimmick runs (bow only, caster only) or you can actually roleplay in a roleplaying game and behave like your new character would.

>>179978823
DS3 is the worst game to try and get variety in, but all souls games play dramatically differently if you level up differently. DS2 and DS1 barely feel like the same game, and something like Armored Core will require you to change your control scheme just because you're trying a different weapon.

If you want to spice up a new character, try doing the opposite than what you did the first time. If you ended up with, say, 40 strength and 16 dexterity, aim for 40 dexterity instead.

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Why are there so many reused enemies and assets in dark souls 3? Areas like profaned capital just feel straight up unfinished. It's not as though they cut content out for dlc, it's just empty?

>>179978823
I'm half tempted to start a new character, but I always remember irithil dungeon and lose all motivation. Is low level PvP / co op still active?

>>179979004
because like all souls games, it was released half finished and understaffed.

They didn't cut content out for the DLC, they just straight-up didn't finish some areas and left them extremely short. DS1 and DS2 suffered from this problem more though.

>>179977746
The vicars still exist?

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does this seem about right?

What's a better faith build, 60 fth caster or 30-40 fth knight-paladinish melee build with buffs and light use of things like lightning arrow?

>>179979235
Father Guzma?

>>179979235
Are you the same autist who did stuff like the school shooter?

>>179979004
Because From finally learned how to make a game with the shit time and budget Bamco gives them.

>>179979295
No but I like him. Don't you ever try to bully him again

>>179979330
I like him, too. He's still a total autist, though.

>>179979330
he can get a little annoying, if i remember correctly he got the Invalid Data for memeing too hard and making some disgusting dragon furry shit

>>179979165
I dunno, demon ruins still felt very different to the rest of the game, how did they manage to make profaned capital a literal corridor to the boss full of reused enemies? And why is everyone ok with this?

>>179979409
He memed too close to the sun

is dragonhead shield a meme or is it worth it?

>>179979004
Every single game in the series after DeS reuses assets from the older games.
Propaned Capital was kinda shit but it makes more sense if you consider it a part of Irithyll Dungeon.

>>179978696
Grind Souls to get a million consumables that you can only buy in a late game. Transform boss souls into weapons/spells. Buy armors and weapons I want, upgrade whatever I can.

Then NG+, pvp or Chalice Dungeons.

>Want to use Gargoyle GH
>Split damage
>less AR than the Great Mace
>Can't be buffed

At least it has a nice weapon ar-
>Can't combo and shit tracking
RIP

>>179979909
Use the spear the weapon art is goat

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>>179979962
I know about the spear, but I really wanted to use the Hammer.
Sadly it is outclassed by ANY other hammer.

I was thinking of going through 2 again. Does anyone still play it or is it going to be a barren server?

I'm lv 30 at road of sacrifices. Is now a good time for blue sentinels rewards so I don't have to farm silver nigs later?

>>179980323
You should have started a bit earlier but it's fine too

>>179980052
It's pretty dead. You can still invade though because players can be invaded while hollow, and a lot of people are still playing it due to regular sales and DS3's slowly waning activity.

Just don't expect to actually get pvp or co-op, especially with SM restricting early game matchmaking so much. Play DS2 under the knowledge that you will be playing it for the single player and maybe some brotherhood of blood or mid-game invasion (amana, drangleic, undead crypt) pvp. If you want co-op you need to find a friend to play through the game with you using name engraved ring.

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>>179980473
BOY I SURE DO LOVE WHEN I GET SUMMONED AFTER 15 MINUTES OF WAITING ONLY FOR THE INVADER TO IMMEDIATELY DIE SOMEWHERE ACROSS THE MAP AND I HAVE TO WAIT AGAIN TO BE SUMMONED ONLY FOR THE EXACT SAME THING TO HAPPEN AND I NEVER GET MY REWARD JAJAJAJA :DDDDDD

>>179980741
sssssssspic

>>179980561
Not that guy but i've been a dragonfag since i had 250k SM, and all the way to 21m and even now i take around 30 seconds to find people on Iron Keep bridge.

>>179980854
It's a meme bro. I'm in spoidahland, which is probably why matchmaking takes forever

>>179981019
dumb aussie

>>179981196
Intelligent, physically fit, cultured, articulate burgerclap

>>179981508
not that anon, but given what I know about aussies and their use of insults, I imagine that's the worst possible insult you can give to someone

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Have we gone too far?

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How is it so popular i don't get it

>>179981810
>>179981813
Berserk is really popular, especially with souls fans who hear about how many Berserk references it makes.

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*gurgles*
*pushes you into a pit*

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>>179982036
*gurgles*
*pushes you into an old one*

>>179981810
How else would you know where Guts was from?

>>179982091
Never reply to me or posts again.

>>179982090
That was some real Lovecraft shit right there.

>>179982130
Okay.

>>179982202
Never reply to me or posts again.

>>179982036
*oneshots you with firestorm when you're close to victory*

>>179978338
It floods high enough to kill you.
It floods much fast in ng+, but in ng+ you kill it way way too fast to care.

>>179983007
No, no it doesn't

>>179983007
>>179983327
max height of the water is slow-walk height, it won't kill you.

>whiff lightning arrow
>they roll in for the punish
>lightning stake takes 60-80% off their hp
noice. Any miracle connoisseur willing to give some tips? Also, I'll go for nameless after a few duels, anyone wants to jolly it up?

I want to make a build around Aquamarine dagger.
How shit would it be?
Basically dex swordceries

How the fuck do I get good at Friede's 3rd phase? I learned how to deal with the first 2 but Blackflame can kill you so fucking fast it's going to take ages to learn her patterns

>>179984446
Pretty OK if you just play the poke game. You have have surprisingly long reach with it

>>179984482
Phase 1 is tutorial mode for the melee attacks of phase 3

Phase 2 is tutorial mode for the AoE attacks of Phase 3

Blackflame has only a single new attack (the blackflame combo), the rest are just longer ranged or AoE versions of her basic attacks.

Throw on dark stoneplate ring if you're struggling, it will drop damage you take from the blackflame attacks by about 25-50%.

>>179984603
I have problem with how much STAM/HP can I manage.
I usually go 37 / 40 for dex physical build.
Is 35 a good number if I plan on mostly use the dagger instead of sorceries?

>>179984671
For a lighter dex build, use less stamina, more health. Your lack of armor absorption means you need higher health to compensate, and your low stamina consumption weapons mean you can get away with less endurance.

>>179984727
How much would you recommend?
35 END?
30 END?

>>179984810
Depends on the weapon and depends on your other stats. I wouldn't go much lower than 30 though.

>>179984848
The weapon is the aquamarine dagger and a staff for chip damage
At this point everything is chip damage tho.

>>179984446

I tried it but I don't like it, the WA means you need a WA shield which means you can't parry

So, is anyone for NK? PC

>>179984482

It always helps to remember that she has zero hyper armor on most of her attacks

>>179984990
I usually NEVER parry.
For better or for worse, I never learned.
This is true since DeS for me.
I was planning on changing from bare fist to staff when needed

>>179985017
password?

>>179985128
dsg always. Put signs by the lever

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>arena
>opponent eats grass
>buffs up
>receives vestiges to the face
>claps throughout the entire battle
>disconnects upon losing
A real human bean

>>179984926
With Pchain on a SL120 sorceror, you can fit 60 int and 40 dex with 30 end and 40 vig.

Without prisoner's chain, 35 vig and 25 end.

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can you get the Scholars Shed Skin helm via CE and equip it like a normal item, /dsg? or do I need to engage in more CE fuckery than just spawning it in

It took me 4 games but i finally realized that there are 3 types of people you summon for bosses.

1)Those that are good and basically don't get damaged and chip out as much boss health as they can.

2)Those that suck and die like retards when the boss still has 80% HP.

3)Mages

>>179985560
>implying I am going to SL 120
SL 90 friendo.
I already got a build set.
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/212106

I am kinda tempted to do it, but I know I will be completely REKT in invasions, so I'll have to rely on magic nukes for it.
Apart from that, I think I'll do fine in 1vs1, but I will miss having poise.

>>179983775
When fighting someone playing aggressively, an unfaltering prayer Lightning Storm will always fuck them up

>>179985432
>pedophile anime watcher
you deserved it

>opponent runs away and spams shit at a distance til the match ends
>points down as its a draw
xd

what are the stat softcaps/hardcaps for dark souls 2?

what makes teh saltiest about cut content in ds3?

>no yhorm set
>not darksun mask
>no void head like herald
>no tracers
>no pontiff set

>>179985691
Deserve what? That shit was hilarious.

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holy moly

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>>179985841
>no void head like herald
I am salt. It's cut content. There is no excuse.

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How much damage do pyromancies do at 20/60 instead of 40/40 INT/FAI?

Is a faith/pyro build viable?

>>179985841
>no ledo set

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>>179986035
I get by fine using some miracles at 35/40

>>179985806
>vig: 20, 50
>end: 20 (1 point after that until 99)
>vit: 29, 49
>str, dex, int, fth: 20, 40, 50
>adp: 32, minus 1 for each 3 points of attunement (105 agility)

the scaling stats give massive gains in scaling and defense up to 20

>5: 51
>20: 106
>40: 140
>50: 155

DS2 also has areas where you get less scaling between values, like below 10 or between 20 and 30 are a lot lower than other areas.

>>179985806
>>179986238
To add to this
flyns ring gives you the maximum bonus damage (50) if your vitality is 9 or lower (with the third dragon ring equipped) or 14 or lower (no third dragon ring)

>>179985841
3. It was fun and unique.

Pointiff is bad but honestly i don't care that much. The mask, though...

Darksun mask is a stupid thing to not have and i wonder why.

Who really cares about tracers when Dancer's sword are basically the same thing.

Yhorm's set looks like shit on the character.

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Heard you like lightning. Here's a message from your pa

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>>179977746
Can someone show me a playthrough of Dark Souls 3 that uses a slow weapon? Basically a greatsword or whatever. I genuinely don't believe you can play through DaS3's PVE with weapons with slow R1s. It's just not balanced for it at all. Enemies are too fast and you often fight them in groups, you need fast R1s. The weapons in DaS1 however were balanced perfectly.

However if I stand to be corrected then by all mans show me a playthrough with few deaths that's using a greatsword or other slow weapon. I feel gimped in this game if I'm not using a straight sword 2bh.

>>179986238
thanks, any suggestions for fun builds/weapons to use? i vaguely remember casting being shit last time I played.

>>179986719
Do you mean Ultras? Greats aren't that slow.

>>179986719
Enemies including bosses stagger piss easy compared to DaS1 though.

>>179986750
Depends. You can't be a "pure" caster because you still need some melee to take down most enemies, but casting stats are powerful. Sorcery is actually extremely strong offense in early-mid game, and faith is the best defensive build type because of using heals when you run out of estus flask shards. Also, a 30/30 hexer/pyro is one of the most objectively strong builds in the game. Sorcerors also get the enchanted infusion, so you don't suffer a damage penalty against elemental resistance enemies.

If you go casting, you should use your bonfire ascetics and infuse/buff your weapon. If you go sorceror, you should go down the freja path early to get staff of wisdom. If you go faith, you should try the old iron king path, etc.

>>179979235
give him a beard

If I meet the bare minimum for the carthus flame arch, will it be worth it as an offhand compliment? Or would I just be better off with an infusion?

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>>179986750
This build will let you cruise through the game. Use the craftsman hammer and estoc.

>>179987029
thicc

>>179985841
>no special moveset when dual wielding greatsword of judgement and profaned

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>>179986719
Ultras are fine in pve, you just need to accept that at certain times you won't be able to safely hit the enemy and need to trade instead. And with hyperarmor, trading can be pretty good. The extra length helps a lot too if you can space properly.
>I feel gimped in this game if I'm not using a straight sword 2bh.
You are. SS have always been the easiest and safest weapon to use and lack of standing poise has made them extremely strong. Also their speed was buffed, giving them ridiculous phantom range for pvp
>>179987012
>beard
He's not Rasputin, m8

>>179986719
>Play with a GH
>Kill friede in all 3 phases with no summons

I don't know how else to play souls/borne games desu.

>>179986719
Bosses are fine. Groups of enemies (especially things like the pontiff knights or haralds) are nightmares if you can't combo them to death in one hit, and dealing with 2 or 3 at once is a huge pain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJDimvPW1Y

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>no Bone Fist
>no Puzzling Stone Sword
>no Evangelist Book
>no Bo Staff twinblade-like weapon

Is it worth it to go 80 dex for a dagger? It only gives 25 extra ar, which seems pretty lame in comparison to other dex weapons.

>>179978696
INVADE

>>179987029
>a non shitty response from lucifer

Close, but a few changes that need to be made:

40 strength
20 dex
14 faith for great heal excerpt, magic barrier, and heal
16 int for repair, dark orb, and dark weapon
20 att
20 adp

And then dump the rest into vit, vig, and end.

I would say level vit a lot higher and then respec lower once you have access to flynn's ring.

>>179987675
You don't use the dagger to fight, you use it for ripostes and backstabs

>>179986750
also if you want to use a caster, ignore : >>179987029 that's the opposite of a "fun" build.

For fun builds, I suggest powerstancing, ultras, hexing, or staying at max equip load. They're not exactly optimal (though ultras and hexing can be) but they are definitely more fun and not too hard.

>>179986750
If your on PC or good at shooters with a controller you can make a caster build work by having the binoculars offhand and go for headshots.

Your options kind of boil down to
>Do I want flynns (kind of a shit idea if you don't have a build 100% planned)
>Do I want to powerstance
>Do I want magic

Flynns limits you to 14 or 9 Vitality
Powerstancing means you have to pump endurance, vit, STR and DEX far above the softcaps because of the added weight and stamina cost from 2 weapons as well as the damage stats to actually use and or make it worthwhile
Magic is either pure caster or weapon buffs and self buffs, in which case your build boils down to powerstancing with only physical stats, or 2 handing with support spells and weapon buffs.

From there you can branch off to whatever you like, see a cool spell to use? Get more INT/Faith, see a cool weapon? Slightly more DEX/STR to use it and so on.
DS2 is a way larger game and follows a different leveling curve, you start off with far fewer stats then the rest of the series but the scaling on level up costs hits you way later. You will finish the game somewhere between 200-300 depening on how much you coop, if you did all the bosses and how many times you redid an area, so 10 Faith to cast a miracle is nothing in the long run.

Slash is your "normal" damage, its physical stat that enemies get pretty resistant to later on
Thrust is the DEX alternate damage that enemies are far weaker to
Strike is the STR alternate damage that enemies are far weaker to

Pyro is universally good early, but most things become resistant to it later on
INT is very hit or miss, enemies either take really high damage or fairly mediocre damage, but it does have Enhanced as an infusion meaning you still have options
Lightning is fairly strong but you only get a few casts of the really high damage spells
Dark is universally good, it does above average damage but doesn't explode enemies like INT.

>>179987771
Well I didn't mean specifically the dagger, I'm using mail breaker

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>>179987698
like this?

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>>179987507

>no Sanctum Mace
>no Sanctum Crossbows
>no dual wield like Smelter Swords

>>179987858
>watchdogs of farron
>invading
Fuck off

>>179987507
>evangelist book
>miracle catalyst
>WA lets you light yourself on fire to preform the grab attack
>extra damage from dark miracles

I mean why the fuck isn't there one? You think that'd be a given. Can we just form C-Team and make Souls great again?

>>179987869
>>no dual wield like Smelter Swords
RKPGS

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>>179987813
Melee is more fun than casters in DaS2, and DaS2 is already pretty bad. Casters are also a headache in the DLCs. Pure Str Robflynn build with engraved gauntlets is the way to go.

>>179987858
>falling of the edge like a retard

>>179987934
>a shitty response from lucifer

there we go, thought you were having a stroke for a second

>>179987970
All part of the plan.

>>179987934
>Back to being braindead
Almost thought you were on to something there for a second.

Rapier->Espada
Rapier->Red Iron Twinblade
Is still the ezmode of that game, well after Climax was nerfed anyway

>>179987929

It's not quite the same Anon. A bunch of anime flipping compared to just beating the shit out of someone isn't my style.

>>179986460
>Yhorm's set looks like shit on the character.
This.

>>179986719

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_ftpUY_ldBTrqU9w0PLZcWBp19DgHG24

A German Spy's Blind DS3 playthrough. After he acquires a greathammer, he pretty much exclusively uses greathammers / greataxe. I've been watching it lately and it's fairly solid though pretty heavy on the salt in the first videos.

>>179984990
>le spicy "1H Dagger" bait
7/11, made me reply.

>>179986719
I exclusively main UGS, ama

>>179988073
Except it is a waste of souls to upgrade more weapons, and the estoc is only for quick pointing out ambush ganks, Your main weapon is the craftsman hammer.

>>179986750
There are a few archetypes in DS2 that are easy to gravitate toward

50/30 int hexer
30/45 fth hexer
dex build (poison)
str build (most melee weapons)
quality (for power stance)
ranged sorceror
melee sorceror (enchanted, cqc spells)
faith healing tank (greatshields, great magic barrier, lots of healing)
faith lightning melee (slb, dragonslayer spear, thorned gs, etc.)

>>179988287
>faith lightning melee (slb, dragonslayer spear, thorned gs, etc.)
How do I do this? I was looking to do something close to this soon, a Str/Faith sort of thing. Is the Mace of the Insolent any good in this regard?

>>179988210
>luci still being retarded
Nigga you softcapped yourself to SL150 for some asinine reason, you have around 2million souls to faff about with and still stay in the exact same PvP bracket.

A single weapon upgrade is around 10k souls. That's the equivalent of fucking up the smelter demon run once.
Not that explaining any of this means anything, you still play in 1.00 for some reason yet feel the need to post here

>>179987771
And why would you not use daggers to fight?

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>tfw no Hands of God with miracle casting R2 and headbutt WA

>>179988374
I capped at 150 for fun.

Souls wasted on anything other than levels or upgrading a weapon you will use forever puts you at a disadvantage.

>>179988515
So you should never open Lenigrast's shop, never have Gilligan install the ladders (or as an alternative buy the Silvercat Ring), attempt to kill Licia for the Lockstone, and not trade any boss souls with either Straid or Ornifex?

>>179988348
Dragonslayer spear for spear needs
Heide Knight sword for longsword needs
Thorned/Defneders sword for greatsword needs

Mace of the Insolent is kind of shit to be honest, it has a bad moveset and does mediocre damage, if you want a STR/Faith build then feel free to just grab any weapon you like, slap on a lightning infusion then buff with resin, you will do good damage as long as you have a decent amount of faith.
The joy of the DS2 infusion system is that weapons that can be buffed (on a sidenot for that some weapons can be buffed by spells but NOT resins) is that you can take almost any weapon, slap infuse it with an element then buff it with the same element resulting in respectable damage, the only weapons that are truly bad at this are ones that have inherent scaling in a different element and even then its fine for PvE

>>179988348
Mace of the insolent is for hexes, it has very little faith scaling for casting miracles. Disc Chime is what you want for a caster item.

For a melee faith build you want to rely on the fact that lightning damage is really good against almost every boss in the game, and you can buy infinite bolstones. Here's what you should do first:

>get the cleric chime in majula, buy healing miracle and fragrant branch
>Beat dragonrider and old dragon slayer at heide's
>Open the way to huntsmans copse, grab the token of fidelity from the drop down from the bridge to undead purgatory
>give that to targrey after the old dragonslayer to buy an infinite number of boltstones, infuse everything with lightning.
>get the priest chime in lost bastille

With boltstones you can make any melee weapon work on a faith build, but other early game lightning weapons are the heide spear, heide lance, and heide greatlance. Heide Greatlance with leo ring is very powerful.

It might be worth having 15 int for the Repair sorcery as well, since dragonslayer spear's special attack will damage the weapon. Repair triples the number of times you can use it.

Later on you'll get sunlight blade and the thorned greatsword (or defender greatsword) which are both great lightning weapons. Dragonslayer spear becomes a bit outdated at that point because it can't be buffed with sunlight blade.

>>179988624
You should make a calculation on each purchase to decide whether it is worth it or not. There is nothing wrong with buying spell that is part of your build, for example, but don't waste a bunch of souls buying other shit just because it is there.

>>179988515
>puts you at a disadvantage.
Against the PvE enemies? They don't scale with SM Luci.

Also really now, you are aware that softcapping at 150 at the 2mil SM tier puts in the same bracket people who have 250k more souls to spend.
It also means the you can PvP with people up to 7mil SM

So you are either at a 250k disadvantage in your own bracket, or a 5 million SM disadvantage in PvP

No really what the fuck, how is 10k on weapon upgrade a huge waste that can't be justified yet at the same time you are sitting on the lower edge of a SM tier rather than at 2499999

>>179988624
Please just filter him and stop replying, you're chowing down bait like a fuckwit.

>>179988653
>>179988741
What would be the best possible starting class in this regard? It looks like either Cleric or Knight would work well. And would I be using the Disc Chime also as a shield, or should I keep an actual shield in the offhand?

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>Plan out Smough cosplay
>60 Vitality

>>179988962
Doesn't matter
All the DS2 starting classes are good, the stat spread is low, it really only matters if you want to twink at low SLs or hit a specific meta PvP level (which again doesn't really matter since its SM based rather than SL based, going level meta + 10 levels doesn't really change who you get matched up with)

Deprived if you want to do a Mundane build
Explorer if you want free early game weapon buffs
Sorcerer if you want to start the game with magic
Cleric you want the early heal

You can get the sorceres staff before beating a single boss in FotFG, you can get the clerics chime right after the tutorial in majula, and the first merchant in FotFG sells bot the basic heal and soul arrow.

>>179988741
>>179988348
Here's a good example of a powerful early str/fth game build, you can get all of this stuff fairly easily, after only clearing few bosses:

>Lightning disc chime
>lightning heide lance or dragonslayer spear (heide lance is str, spear is dex)
>med heal
>1 great lightning spear and 1-2 normal lightning spear
>great magic barrier
>heavenly thunder
>southern ritual band
>bracing knucle ring (if you are using dragonslayer spear)
>leo ring
>sun seal
>lightning priest's chime for projectile casting

disc chime and sun seal both increase miracle damage and stack. You can use the disc chime for non scaling miracles (like heal, gmb) and then swap your spear for scaling miracles (lightning spears). At full chime upgrade, each great lightning spear should do ~500-700 damage depending on the enemy boss's defense, and each lightning spear will do 400-500.

>>179988905
Versus builds at the same SM. I want to be the best. Also, I just threw on the Agape ring before going into the DLC areas. If I cared about DaS2, I would have continued min-maxing my Soul Memory. I just didn't want to lose souls by possibly dying in the DLC since I was unfamiliar with it.

>>179988962
Don't go cleric because you can get a chime in majula and the heal miracle only costs 1500 souls.

Starting classes matter because of the equipment you get. Go explorer because the extra lockstone and the aromatic ooze will make early game extremely easy, and it starts with good ADP and the helmet gives you increased item drops. Definitely the best starting equipment. Pick bonfire ascetic as your gift.

You can use an ascetic at the cardinal tower bonfire to access 3 titanite chunks early, if you want, or burn it at various bosses to get new things. The bosses at belfry luna, huntsman's copse, earthen peak, iron keep, and shaded woods all drop good things that you can make use of on Bonfire Intensity 2+ so the bonfire ascetic is useful there also.

>>179989292
if you don't know anything or care about DS2, stop trying to give people advice.

>>179989292
>Versus builds at the same SM. I want to be the best.
But your not though.
You have 250k unspent souls.

You DO know SM works in TIERS right? It's not your SM +/- 10% or whatever. It has pre-determined tiers and PvP is based purely on if your tiers match up or not.
You are sitting at the lower end of a tier, even when matched with a person in the same tier you will still end up at a 250k souls disadvantage that they could have spent on levels/armor upgrades/fucking their waifu

I mean it's not really surprising that you don't know jack shit, yesterday you were running around saying that Agape Ring prevents you from gaining covenant rewards from co-oping, today you proved that you literally don't even know how SM works

>>179989426
Its almost as if he's just acting like a contrarian for (you)s or something.

>>179989502
I don't think he's acting, I think he's genuinely that stupid and thinks people will some day respect him if he keeps trying.

>>179989502
I honestly can't tell if his actually this attention deprived or this stupid.

I can't see someone needing (you)s this bad to be so constantly wrong about everything. At least the 4kings guy had the decency to talk to himself and not involve the rest of the thread.
Have we ever seen the 4kings guy and Luci posts 30 seconds apart?

>>179989502
Surely someone with a trip wouldn't do that!

I wish there were more weapons like Chaos Blade and Bloodlust that had some benefits at the cost of suffering some sort of penalty.

>>179989556
half and half, i've seen this stupid autistic fuck in other generals for ages and people still fall for the same bait he lays out.
He says something wrong
Gets all the (you)s
Defends it with circular logic and firsthand experience
Gets more (you)s
General thread derailed with shitposting.

Filter Lucifer and enjoy discussions again.

>>179989615
Pretty sure he's the anti drawfag poster too.
>>179989627
temporary namefags who post original content are the only people you can trust

>>179989745
Alonnes katana is still my favorite in the series

>>179989745
I wish CB wasn't cucked out of its DS1 unique R2s by Black Blade

>>179990123
Yeah, a shame too. BB is currently my offhand along with the Bloodlust for this cainhurst cosplay thing I'm doing, but I really, REALLY, wish I could chaos it up again. I even grabbed shiva's armor for some secondary costume antics.
Also holy fuck am I retarded or is katana parrying trickier than I once thought it to be?

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So is the Black Knight Shield just completely broken?

>drops large titanite shard(s)
>can also drop chunks
>can drop Lothric Knight armor (a decent set of armor, if not sellable), shields and weapons
>can drop embers
>also a decent amount of souls if grinding for any of the above, without taking into account the droprate-increasing items
Why is the Lothric knight, the one closest to the Lothric Castle bonfire and is just leaving the room when you spawn in/rest the best fucking thing ever? I love this particular knight

>>179990327
nothing comes close to it stat wise

>>179979157
at 30 and 60, yes.
and don't worry, irithyll dungeon is a super short stretch and actually not very annoying if you know what youre doing the second time around.

I have 7 different characters, I'd say give it a shot, it's super fun to change your playstyle, looks, and target build and start again.

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Is it worth going past 40 DEX on non-infusible boss weapons like the Frayed Blade and such?

>>179979157
Irithyll dungeon is one of the best levels in the game.

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I'm playing Dark Souls 2 again, and, and I'm having fun for some reason.
Is DS2 secretly good? Is it underrated?

>>179990982
It's dependent on your preferences
Real talk though, as someone who's played all of the Soulsborne games I think DS2 has it's own strange charm. I think it does some things really poorly compared to the rest of the Soulsborne games but it's definitely an experience worth going through.

>>179990982

It's got a gigantic amount of variety and I always thought that made it very replayable. It's just that some people would argue with you the variety isn't all that great due to the mechanics/quality/and such.

>>179990723
80 dex on pure dex build

>>179990982
If you like tweaking shit and dicking around, DaS2 gives you far more viable options for doing so than, at the least, DaS3. About the only thing that isn't viable is an early-game Faith build, and that's only because Lightning Spear got nerfed into the ground post-launch.

>>179990723
No, it gets like 30 AR between 40 and 80.

redpill me on the curved sword

>>179991301
they have decent running attacks or something.

>>179985878
>14 ashen charges
jesus christ

>>179991381
I've never taken to curved sword running attacks myself, but that's mainly because of how short-ranged they are. You basically have to be right in the other guy's face for it to connect, and by that time they might already have a parry coming out. They're about as fast as pre-nerf katana running R1s, but I've always preferred the rolling attacks instead.

>>179990982
>Is DS2 secretly good? Is it underrated?
Yes.

>>179991216
Even a faith build is good with a Lightning Infused weapon

>>179991518
>You basically have to be right in the other guy's face for it to connect, and by that time they might already have a parry coming out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DkXS5aznQ&t=7m30s

>>179992292
>DS3 "COMPETITIVE"
>10+ minutes of running around
This was actually boring to watch
Another reason to avoid the SL "meta"

How much poise do I need in ds3? Currently using paired ringswords and getting stunned by small ass weapons. I don't like that. Currently wearing full ringed knight armor.

>>179993071
20+
30 is the sweet spot

>>179993071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqdRJL5j-oI&t

>>179992592
translation: i cant compete, so I play at lower levels to fight noobs

>>179992292
>>179992592
Watching two good players fight in Dark Souls 3 is the most boring experience ever.

This is why mediocre players like Oroboro are popular. Although he's not the most skilled player out there, he plays aggressively and parries people etc... It's fun to watch.

Watching people like Neptune of Revan is boring as fuck.

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Are there any weapons that are still best made Refined in the hands of a Quality build?

>>179995017
most twinkling titanite/scale weapons scale best with quality stats

>>179995234
I know that much. But Refined can't can't be inferior to Heavy or Sharp on EVERY infusible weapon, right?

>>179995606
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SQ4MZANAqrfBnSjWeXUxCzv8DX8UewA3QeG6QPcx6X4/edit#gid=0

after a quick look at this list it seems most halberds and heavy curved swords scale best with refined

I'm not sure if you wanna use the latter after the speed nerf though.

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>>179996081
>60 dex

Anyone knows a (midly) viable only archer pvp build?
Wouldn't mind having a short sword or a dagger but mainly a ranged fun char.

>>179996154
>triss

>>179989204
I really like this setup, could I also throw in the Thorned Greatsword? And how would the Dragonslayer's Crescent Axe work here?

>>179996226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnf490tiyrQ

>>179996154
>Inbred retards still don't know

>>179991301
2H light curved sword R1 is the second fastest R1 in the game after Daggers. It comes out in 300something ms, compared to 400odd for SS. It's just on the border line where you have to focus to twitch react to it, and makes it harder to cleanly avoid.

At the same time, it sacrifices almost nothing in damage or range compared to other small weapons. That allows it to roll catch on reaction, where SS and slower have to rollcatch on prediction. So you have something fast as shit that people want to roll away from, that's good at catching rolls.

Running atk isn't even that great, but the animation is at least subtle compared to SS.

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Is there anything more satisfying than this?

>>179996154
I think the point was to illustrate how the infusions compare when given 80 points to distribute between Str and Dex.

It's retarded and wrong since you need to hit 80 Dex for the Sharp infusion to be worth it, but if you're going to go 80 Dex then you're going to have to make some pretty hefty sacrifices in other areas.

>>179996598
>he jumps into you after he sees you charging the 2HR2
I don't get satisfaction out of beating up the mentally challenged.

>>179996576
How exactly were heavy curved sword's changed? Wasn't it only the second R1 that was slowed down?

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>>179996801
>he makes a mistake
>he dies

That's how every single Souls fight goes anon.

>>179996401
Thank you, gonna try it

>>179986750
samefag from earlier here. i looked up some weapons and the loyce greatsword looks gucci as fuck. how should i build towards optimizing that weapon?

>>179997216

It's a really fun weapon. I only ever used it dex builds. I think 25 STR/40 DEX gets you some solid AR, but it's been a while. No idea how it performs on quality builds/elemental though.

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>>179997216
>Gucci as fuck

>>179996154
>actual triss fag....

>>179985596
You can apply it as an effect when you equip f.ex an armor piece i believe

>>179978696
Go NG+ if you want

Make an invasion character

Do a Dried Finger run-through

>>179979235
Bigger head.

>>179978338
It's the Wolnir phenomena

If you let him live for more than 40 seconds, the fight actually becomes pretty difficult since he pulls out a sword and summons a gank-squad to murder you

But you have to be really, really bad to let him live for more than 40 seconds.

>>179985432
As a rule I'm not an honourfag

I usually give time for one buff, because I'm buffing myself. If you try to go for a second then I'm running you down.

>>179985596
You can, actually, but it will get you banned at almost 100% risk because it's classed as an illegal item, same as a bunch of other weapons and armours.

>>179985878
Sunlight Spear chunks King of the Storm like nothing else

But then Nameless King takes like 50 damage from it so it evens out

>>179986013
Absolutely. I mean, it would have been Thrall Hood 2.0 and an indicator that the next few minutes aren't going to be fun, but it looks cool as fuck.

>>179990982
No, but tricking people into buying it is a meme here,

>>179990982
It's okay. It's a lot different to the other Souls games and you might not like it just because it focuses on different aspects, but as a self-contained thing it's sort of got it's own cult-hit feel to it.

Despite it's flaws, it's still worth buying if you know what you are getting.

>>179999245
At this point, if they want to waste 12.00 bucks on it go right ahead. Online is dead on it anyway, co-op is probably still nonexistent unless really wanna convince someone to go boot it up and playthrough with you. 12.00 dollars for a decent to mediocre tier PVE isn't a bad deal, it's a little more entertaining then most games.

>>179999537
>At this point, if they want to waste 12.00 bucks on it go right ahead.
I feel the same way. I wasted $15 on it afterall. I just want them to make an educated decision, or at the very least, not be bitter towards /dsg/ for "le epik trulin" them.

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why is everyone talking shit about the thrall hood?
there's absolutely nothing wrong with it

>>179999537
>>179999680
>tfw still butthurt that I wasted 7€ on this
And I regulary spend several hundreds per weekend

So, are Strength/Faith builds any good/fun?

>>180000159
Yeah, Poise casting is your Bread and Gluten Free Butter. Have enough endurance to tank and STR to wield Crucifix or Maces you'll be having to much fun electrocuting kids.

>>179999849
fuck off alex

>>180000432
literally who?

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Is there a time of day where matchmaking isn't crawling with yuropoors?

>>180000390
Honestly you barely even need a primary weapon as a poisecasting lightning man, it's just so reliable.

Just don't skimp on the Ashen Estus.

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>>180001009
Is there a time of day where matchmaking isn't crawling with sharters and chinks?

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>>179999245
>>179999680
>I'm too retarded to learn how the game's systems work, therefore it's bad!
After advertising your ignorance earlier in this very thread, I'm pretty sure you aren't entitled to an opinion.

>>180002207
Don't fucking respond to Lucifer you retard

>>180002207
>>180002251
this
just fucking filter and ignore him

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>tfw you accidentally heal during a duel because you were just playing dark souls

Does anyone play on xbox? Anyone want to pvp or something?

>>179999052
119 actually. bless dorhys'. Finished him off with one when he had a sliver >>179986523
>>179998690
good point. I also need to make him a bit fatter. I have no idea how to recreate the nose though

>>180002541
Oh shit I even posted in the wrong general

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>>180002673
I'm sure someone from the club can accommodate. I'll be on in like 4 minutes, just stuck on the creation screen of 1. I'm just now realizing I can't have this on a console.....

>>179988194
you honestly feel they're better to use in melee PVE builds (solo, no summoning) than straight swords? like the whole way through?

>>179990982
It has some issues that really trigger me, but at the same time, I've had an absolute blast playing it. You'll only have as much fun as you're willing to have with it. If you go in with a good mindset, you'll have an absolute riot playing it; go in with a bad one, and you'll hate its guts.

>>180003127
probably because you were just playing dark souls

>>180003230
Not really. I went in wanting to like the game. I even pre-ordered it, and played it at launch.

>>180003163
This picture is Just pathetic

>>180003467
Don't respond to me or my posts again.

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>>180003163

>>180003808
Wait, you're not me.
Lucy has a hard time with the concept of "fun." He doesn't object to people having fun, only when it doesn't abide by his own definition of the concept.

>>180003163
>wrinkly butt
damn

>>180004424
>hating realism

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>>180004546
If I wanted realism I'd jack it to 3D.

>>180004602
It's Jagi.

I'm really loving the dragon slayer great axe for invasions and dealing with gank squads. It's special move works great when you are surrounded by phantoms.

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Is it pronounced
>Lee-do
>Leh-do
or
>Lay-do
?

>>180005451
Play-Doh

>>180005451
レド

>>180005451
Leh-do

>>180003467
I hate this faggot but this was my exact experience with DaS2. Played it at launch, hyped as all fuck. Kept waiting for it to get good and 'grow on me' but it never happened. Really tried convincing myself at times that I liked it but it just didn't work. I didn't go into DaS2 with any preconceived notions that it was bad. Actually it was probably the game I was most hyped for ever in my entire life. It ended up being the most disappointing game of my life.

People like to claim that people hate DaS2 just because of /v/ memes but that's total bullshit. I don't let /v/ dictate my opinion about anything. DaS2 was just a shitty disappointing game for me, most unfortunately, too.

>>180005451
Pe-do

>>180005451

Like it's written. Ledo.

Holy shit the bleed build up on the frayed blade weapon art is incredible, when you use it on those hand monsters that drop eleonora it procs bleed twice in one attack

It's too bad that it doesn't have luck scaling like anri's ss for maximum fun

>summon a guy for Soul of Cinder
>we beat him
>just as I throw the "thank you" carving my game crashes
>probably got cucked out of his souls

I'm sorry phantombro ;_;

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>>180006334
>when you use it on those hand monsters

aaaand i had forgotten those things existed.

>>180006334
Frayed Blade is awesome.

It's the nippon steel we've all been waiting for.

>>179981813
The manga itself is amazing, don't let the memers of the fanbase fool you.

It's also been around for decades and STILL GOING.

NEW ISSUE LATER THIS JUNE WHERE ARE THE LEAKS?

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How's this now?

>>180007440
looks like a blue eyed feelguy

>>180007440
Reminds me of Professor X but with blue eyes

>>180007440
gross dude nobody here really cares what you're making your new meme character, please don't be the next ayy lmao waifu guy.

>>180005451
Like you would pronounce playdough

>>180007440
Thinner lips, bigger eyes, more blocky nose.

Facial structure is otherwise fairly good.

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>>180007663
>tfw can't get the sliders to cooperate
>>180008059
>more blocky nose
HOW THO

>>180006673
Something about that smugness and arm movement never fail to crack a smile from me.

>>180007663
>feelguy

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>every time midir attacks,he thrashes his head around like a sperging autist

It's like they deliberately tried to make him the most annoying fight in the game.

is there any reason to go higher than 15fth on a cleric-ish build that uses healing miracles for co-op?

>>180008809
stop locking on

>>180008809
Yeah, basically. Him and those crocodiles are annoying for this reason
>>180009050
As a caster that's basically impossible, especially when there's fuckall tracking on most of the lightning spells. I'm not even sure Stake can hit midir normally.

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Anyone up for rushing bosses with a dexfag?

NG+, PC, pass will be dsg.

Vordt's first!

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Any of these look serviceable?
>>180009210
Stake can definitely hit him while his head is down

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>>180009512
>dex

>>180009917
Trust me, I'd rather be on my str build.

>>180009512
>>180009917
Never mention DEX around STR cucks.

It triggers their PTSD of getting raped by katanas since Demon's Souls (even though katanas are totally balanced in DS3).

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>>180010140
>katanas
>good beyond the 2kat meme

>>180010140
If you really want to cause DeS flashbacks, just mention the Scraping Spear

>>180009512
Want me to put my sign down at the Undead Settlement bonfire and rush to greatwood?

>>180010310
Are you talking about DS3?

Because in DS1 and 2 katanas were top tier weapons. Even in 3 the Frayed Blade and Washing Pole are pretty good.

>>180010516
git gud

>>180010571
I am gud

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>>180010427
If you want, it'll be a straight rush to the boss as I don't need to get anything though.

Everyone welcome, either put your sign down at the Undead Settlement bonfire or outside Cursewood boss if you're comin'.

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Is it impossible to make a big assed character in DS3 like how it was done in DS1?

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anyone have the updated weapon/shield tier list? im pretty sure it was posted 2 days ago but i missed it. any screens of it would be greatly appreciated

>>180010705
fite me then
1vs1 undead burg SL125
PSN:EmoDragonZ

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Fuck it, I'm sticking with this
>>180009512
What, still there?

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>>180010849
Pssh.. You think you're worthy of challenging me kid?

You need to earn the right to face my blade

>>180010739
Waiting at the boss fog, then.

>>180011090
Nope, at Greatwood now.

>>180011201
See ya in a second.

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>>180011105
Typical pussytalk.
I bet you only duel and never invade.

>>180010759
No, on PC you can toggle the proportions

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>>180011105
>>180011335
You're both lucky I don't blink you out of existence.

-DeathbyDarkness-

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>>180011509
You children make me chuckle at your feeble attempts at having power - lord of chaos

>>180011105
>>180011509
can you fucking stop

>>180011334
Sage next? Also, nice Mozgus cosplay to the other guy, pretty good.

Sorry m80s, got a phonecall and could only half pay attention. Halfway fortress now?

>>180011796
Sign's down at Anri's encounter

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>>180011796
This makes me wonder, why can't we co-op or invade through the first part of Road of Sacrifices?
The part with the corvians.

>>180011953
It's a very short section, and I figure it's intended as a final scrub-check. It's basically a lesson in not rushing forwards without first making sure you aren't going to get fucked. Most of the encounters there have backup waiting in the wings which you can kill before engaging, but you don't want to be on the receiving end of four corvians who have already spazzed out and are flailing at you like retards.

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>>180011771
Yup, meet me outside sages.

Hopefully my camera doesn't shit the bed like it did on Greatwood.

>>180011796
i got my sign outside the crystal sage entrance

>>180010804
>pls respond

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>>180012191
No intermediate area? I got heals for days. By the way, anyone got a spare evangelist hat?

>>180012404
you don't want an evangelist hat, it covers the face.

>>180012620
I thought so too, but the cleric hat completely covers the jaw and I wanted to try it out. Same with the black hand hat I think. Miyazaki is such a fucking tease

>>179990982
I love majula so much it makes me love the game.
So calming

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Give me a good fucking reason why storm ruler should only have 10 durability and be a repair-power hog

have you fought the sage yet

I just realised that's the wrong fucking heal
>>180012979
We're there now, outside

>>180012873
When it comes to hub music, the soundtrack in Majula isn't anywhere near as loud and obnoxious as it can be in the other games.

>>180013073
Where to now, boss? Sign in the chapel? The road to Deacons is a tad long.

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I did pretty much all I wanted to do in DS1/2/3. What other games has a similar feel? Lords of the Fallen was shit.

I keep fucking up one way or another. I count 3 times for 2 bosses so far. Sign in the chapel
>>180013247
I'm not the host, mang

>>180013359
Salt & Sanctuary is a pretty good one.

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>>180012979
Sorry bro, I forgot I can only have two summons there.

Off to do deacons, place your signs at the Cleansing Chapel bonfire or outside deacons. I might take a while to get to deacons, though.

Oh yeah I avenged you summon when that invader killed you. Tried to quickstep meme me.

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>>180012873
Best part of DS2 and also Emerald Herald had a 10/10 voice and a 10/10 body

>>180013359
Go buy a ps4 GAJIN. And play Plasma Borne

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>>180013476

>>179986719
lobos used fugs for most of his first playthrough

they do have some advantages (such as the ability to cheese humanoid enemies with charged r2s) but in general they fucking suck, also because this game is so fast they lack the weight that was present in their dark souls 1 (and to a lesser extent dark souls 2) equivalents so they're not particularly fun to use either

they're absolutely viable though

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>>180013539
I finished Bloodborne too unfortunately. Thanks though.

>>180013443
Looks interesting, thanks anon.

Is there such thing as SL100 invasions?

>>180013936
Yes.
People invading at a certain Soul Level exists.

Well, that was embarrassing.

>>180014068
hang on i'm switching toons real quick, i'm umbra

>>180014141
okay

inb4 invaded

>>180012920
Because it's a meme weapon only meant to be used in a puzzle boss fight.

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This is really stupid but I kind of want to do it.

>>180014223
welp, that was embarassing. sign down at the bonfire if you're heading back for the shortcut.

GOT'ER
HA

Putting my sign down at the Farron Keep bonfire, at the start of the swamp.

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Hol'up
Is this a BERSERK reference?