/stsg/ - Starsector General

>>179948435
what happened to the last thread?

>>179948765

dunno, dropped of page 10? fatfingered by a janitor?

I wish there were more ship paint jobs.

dead game
dead thread
dead bounty system

>>179950068

they're actually not that hard to make. check out the guide in the forum.

Messy Portrait Pack: http://www.mediafire.com/file/i5fv2c6a68po3va/Messy+Portrait+Pack.zip
LoGH/Power Dolls: http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=12292.0
Infinite Space: https://mega.nz/#!gzInCKRb!BFh9mq4eYxcZPNE0AHTtpiFvtTpTd3XWy9_lF8w9WFM
Portrait Pack: http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=10836.0
Degenerate: http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=12493.0

Thanks to the dead thread, I want ships with tiddies now...

>>179952160
I want to squeeze Odyssey's lumps

>>179950089
Single player games can never really be "dead", when its technically not alive to begin with.
The experience doesn't degrade over time like it does with multiplayer games.

>>179941981
Conquest is sort of bad because it's broadside. Broadsides as a concept is outdated with multi-directional movement in space. Flanked by a conquest? just reverse or strafe away on a dime and now your no longer flanked.

>>179953507
The ORA have alright broadsides since their turn rates can be so high.

it's a shame that D-M is gonna stay broken. but i'm not gonna run a mod that obsoletes the entire vanilla arsenal.

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>Joined alliance early on the game, the one created by sindria/persean by default.
>Sindria left later, just me and Persean.
>Every single time I try to make a new ally since Persean declare war on them.
>Shadowyards and Tritach used to love me, not now though, cause Persean decided they weren't good enough or some shit.
>Even at max rep with shadowyards. Nope, Persean thought they cheated so its war time.
>Just now, coming back from bounty.
>Persean declare war on Sindria.
Give me one reason why I shouldn't just fly to Kazeron right now and invade.

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>>179956328
rate

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Would any of you consider this valid testing?
Cause I honestly don't know what to think of this.

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i don't 'get' the drover

maybe it's because it looks like a slow piece of shit but 75 really isn't too bad for a destroyer carrier

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>>179957204
just realized i messed up the graphs, redid them
>>179957347
the problem is that he tested a carrier vs a non-carrier, and carriers absolutely rape due to fighters.

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Praise Ludd, there's not a damn thing in the sector that I can't ram with this bad boy.

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>>179957578
He also had this to say on monobloc construction.

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>>179957583

bring it, buddy

>>179957730
that's not the mod author though

>>179957730
>and for the next round on "sophistry-or-actually-that-retarded"

>>179957879

no but it is who the mod author is gonna choose to listen to

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>>179957819
All my weapon mounts are PD. It's over, Legion, I have the high ground.

>>179957819

i really ought to nerf those broadswords btw, they're completely nuts. fucking hammers, man

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>>179958043
Really any torpedo bomber stands to be damn good when deployed en masse.
The tier-2 BRD bombers each carry one of these nasty fuckers and let me tell you they do unspeakable things to anything they hit, shields or no.
The bombers themselves come in pairs and cost 16 OP. You can see I have three of them on this Kurma here.

>>179957578
Thank you! The previous curves were bothering me to no end.

>>179958690

yikes. at 1500 damage i find the hammer to a bit too strong already.

i suppose those are only two per wing but 2,5k per hit is a shitload

>>179958690
Those things seem to miss half like their shots though.

>>179958854
They're basically EMP reapers and its glorious to watch ships instantly overload from a single bombardment.

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>>179958924
You just have to find the right-sized targets.
This was what two full volleys from four squads did.

whats the best salvage ship?

space bump

Has anyone tried Flu-X?

>Diable breaks alliance with the ORA faction that I'm in
>Well, nothing for it, time to wipe them all out
>destroy Diable to the point where they have no systems left
>1 cycle later
>Diable votes for peace with Eternal Order

...are they just going to magically pop back into the system eventually?

>>179963474
No, but I kinda want to.
The concept of infected ships is always an interesting one and I'm surprised that nobody's done it until now.
Plus hey, for a kitbash, the hulls don't do half bad a job at the theme.
I just wish the red lines, or nerve endings, or whatever were a bit better designed, like more concentrated around weapon slots and engines.

>>179963653
Factions used to respawn so yeah they might take a system back at some point.

>>179959475
Basic salvage gantry.
Cheap, easy to stack, and isn't spending time doing anything else.

>>179965620
thats a hull mod do you mean the salvage rig?

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is this the end of /stsg/?

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What a mess

mfw combat is terrible now

>>179968739
Don't worry, the rest of the trees will probably get nerfed to be on the same level.

>>179970940
I can't wait. When the 30% upkeep reduction gets nerfed, bounties will be strictly unprofitable regardless of distance or fleet size and make surveying the sole way to earn any money at all.

Invasion mechanics are amazingly wonky sometimes.

I've been sitting on top of the Luddic church's last planet just watching what happens after I destroyed 3 of their response fleets, capturing a cathedral was nice.

A Scy Fleet showed up, tried to invade, provoked a triple Onslaught response fleet out. Ok, That wasn't bad, so I destroyed that as well. The Scy Fleet started the invasion and gave up halfway.

Then Blackrock showed up with another invasion fleet within the same month. This time a small response fleet of five vigilances appeared.

Five vigilances against a Blackrock invasion force of approximately 250 supply. The vigilances won and blackrock retreated.

How am I supposed to pilot the Karkinos? Do I just jump in like a retard and hope for the best?

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Any word on TUP and Tiandong being updated for 0.8.1a?

>>179966924
don't worry anon, it will be back in a decade when 0.9 arrives

>>179973502
Disregard that, I suck cocks. TUP has been updated already.

Gotta get back... Back to the /v/...

Wierd, I can't seem to get my relationship with any of the factions above 55 without a commission. All of them just say ''raltion is well-established'', even when I bring food during shortages. I've tried bounties, missions (both scanning and shipping), joining fights, nothing seems to help. Just use the AI cores to get to 100%?

>>179974287
Bounties have levels and low-level bounties can raise your relations only so high. High-end bounties do raise rep to the 100.

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That's nasty

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>Knight's Templar have taken Verge in Gneiss
>Blackrock and Knights are brawling each other relentlessly.
>Be inhospitible with Knights and Nuetral with Blackrock, so neither attack.
>Just scavange my shit up dog.

Best day of my life. Picking up templar weapons and blackrock ships left, right, front and centre.

Shame the pirates were friendly with Blackrock and ended up kicking my shit in so far up my arsehole I could taste it.

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>>179977703
that's a nice ship

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>>179973502
Soon... ish

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Post relations.

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>>179976680
What the fuck, is that an Onslaught strapped to the front of a Paragon?

>>179981473
It's also got a Conquest's broadsides glued on. Personally, I'd like it better if it were more haphazardly put together. Something like an Onslaught burn drive'd halfway into the side of a Paragon and THEN glued together.

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>>179981615
Jesus fucking Christ

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>>179981675
I forgot to mention that it's from the Flu-X mod, which is essentially zombie sphesships

>>179945586
Sheperds have combat utility and can survey
Salvage rigs should be a bit better at slavaging

>>179957578
The DME curve should be an exponential

>>179957921
At this point it would be better to make a unofficial 4chan exclusive balance patch for dme

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Anyone heard from those chink bastards about bringing mai waifu into the modern age?
I wonder how DME would fare against them.

>Tri-Tac take Mairaath
>Hegemony takes whatevertheufckit'snameis Habitat.
>Persean League only now allies with Sindrians.

I managed to invade the size 3 market seized by Hegemony, but it became my own faction instead.

Is there anyway to invade stations for another faction outside of getting the specific mission to do so?

>>179964018
>The concept of infected ships is always an interesting one and I'm surprised that nobody's done it until now.
SPAZ

>>179973502
TUP?

>>179982120
Would probably just die. Approlight doesn't hold back about being a boss mod.

>>179982696
Yeah, I just wanted to make a cheap dig at Soren. I still wish they'd update/translate the mod for 0.8, I liked having them as a super boss faction to KT's normal boss faction.

>>179983185
>cheap dig

actually digs at soren cost 4 OP extra but are twice as effective

>>179982696


approlight update WHEN?

>>179982052
Lockheed-BAE Astronautic Systems mod when?

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This guy slaps your girlfriends Sunder

What do you do?

>>179984914

he should get that wart on his nose cheched out, it might be cancer

>>179984914
i want to see this thing in a really dense fast moving asteroid field

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>>179984914
1v1 fite me

>>179982396
Join that faction

>>179985224
>bonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkbonkBONKbonkbonkbonkbonkbonk

why can't i generate a new sector with nexerelin?

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>>179988015
there used to be sliders here if i'm not mistaken

>>179982576
More like Homeworld: Cataclysm

>>179988015
Disable Corvus mode?

>>179989652
thanks anon, didn't realize it was on, i'm retarded

>>179989842
not ur fault you are retarded, blame you're mother

>>179990445

you don't know that. maybe he smacked his head as an adult.

>>179956328
I can nerf it.
Like making all weapons just re-skin vanilla ones.
Taking out THAT ship mod.
Slashing OP.

>>179957436
it looks dumpy as all fuck

To the people who said last thread 'just turn of your transponder, and get your stuff from the knight templars world'. That doesn't work. Im simply fucked.

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heh nice clouds

>>179992227

as the person who said "owned scrub", lol

>>179992227
ANTIOCH'D

>>179993695

looks fun

I wonder, are we enough to petition Alex to implement "currents" in the hyperspace?
You go against them you get slowed down and consume more fuel, you go along with them and you go faster (or if you are already at burn 20, consume less fuel), you go through them they list you left or right depending on where they flow.

>>179993695
the fact that you are at 70% CR means it isn't working as intended. Expect next patch to completely remove deep hyperspace with hyperstorms and hypertornados which not only reduce CR but kills crew, loses cargo, and damages ship hulls

>>179993998

i'd happily trade crew lives and hull damage against the slowdown effect

You know what I think would really improve this game? Making "transfer command" instant. Would give you so much more control without turning it into an RTS, because you'd still only be able to pilot one ship at a time. I appreciate what he's trying to do with the AI and the captains, but as it is I don't think it'd ever be as good as being able to switch on the fly.

>>179993720
Yep. :D also the templars picked that one planet randomly out of all planets. They now have two planets in their control...

>>179985526
>Join
How

>>179994683
Take a commission. Or use the faction directory, not certain.

>>179995114
I got the Commission, but I invaded the planet and woOOPs own faction

>>179995189
talk to one of the base commanders/station commanders/officer at a station, you should have an option to join the faction then.

>>179978441
NOICE.

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>Decide to start 0.8.1 with my own faction
>Planet spawns next to a Pirate planet

I never knew starting my own faction meant the Pirates send a notDeathstar at you from the start.

>when u crakc open a beer and start a new cmapaign

>Advanced Avionics hullmod:
> No longer affects weapon ranges.
>Now raises the ships' acceleration over time.
>Ships base accelerations adjusted accordingly
wtf Diable sucks now

>that DME thread
do these people live in a different dimension where built-in 1.3x flux venting and strictly superior weapon stat is considered balanced?

>>179999982
got a link?

>>179999982

they enjoy playing with overpowered stuff while under the pretense that it's an even playing field

so when they see that there's something in the plus column and something in the minus, it then becomes very easy for them to say "hey it balances out"

it'd be much more honest to just say "hey i have more fun when my ships and guns are overpowered".

soren got very close to saying as much, so it's probably best to just drop the matter and accept that DME won't be balanced

>>179993927
Spam in the thread on forums, maybe it will work

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i wonder what the GET was

>>180000000

>>180000753
Just a persona shitpost, meh

>>180000841

pretty good roast imo

>>180000241
>"they cost more OP so it balances out :^)"
>t. someone who looks at weapon size tiers as a dumb limitation rather than a conscious balance decision and thinks 20 OP worth of burst damage in a medium slot is acceptable

I mean, using their logic why even have hardpoint sizes at all? Sticking devastators on a frigate should be allowed as long as I pay the OP, right?

>>180001664

even vanilla pushes it sometimes with guns like the AM blaster and heavy needler

stick to < 7/13/25 imo

>>180002232

=< even

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Can anyone appreciate how well drawn the icons are?

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>>180002495

this girl can

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>>180002659
"Minimalism"

>>180002232
Heavy Needler has glaring issues like terrible sustained accuracy and being next to worthless against armor, and yet it's still a very powerful gun because of its abnormally high damage budget. That alone should be blatant enough to the DME guy on why high-budget guns can't be balanced on OP alone.

>kill remnants mothership

>get 1 gamma core

>can sell it for 12000 credits

>spent 50000 credits on supplies/fuel


the ai core nerf was unnecessary

>>180003096
park your cruisers and pick up a combat freighter, buddy. running sensor missions is the only way to make money now.

>>180003096
Is that current patch? Seems a bit extreme given that they pump out tons of detachments when you kill them.

Long trips to get to bounties are bigger threats to my fleet than the bounties themselves.

>>180003447
game is still too easy :^)
t.hardcore forum shitter

I actually really hope approlight gets updated soon, I'm at a point in my campaign where most battles are easy

>>180003486

goto best command

>>180003486
The massive hyperstorm fields make random Nexelerin a pain in the ass since invasion fleets will stop every five seconds to consider how to move past a hyperstorm wall.

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>just got done fighting a DME deserter fleet with 3 zelenograds in it

and they call it a """research platform"""

>>180008215

weapons research, clearly

>>180008215
researching the meaning of death to your enemies
hands on research

>>180007029
They wouldn't be such a fucking problem if you could automap them, and if they added a queue-move features. Hell, it'd even make them interesting, having to plot out the most efficient course and all that, risking potential storms by going straight through or wasting time/fuel by going around clouds. Fuck, Alex, just hire me already.

>>179957583
Doing Ludd's own work there anon.
Although....
>not naming the 'Good Ship' Lollipop

>>179989162
I wanted to make a Beast mod for SS, where you start with a tiny shitbox ship and have to 'eat' whatever you can manage in order to grow yourself etc etc.
But I realised I can't be arsed becasue that would take significantly more skill and effort than I have available.

Is this thread going to die too?

>>180016554
just like all of us

>>180016554

i'm the op so i can't bump it. it's in you guys's hands

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kinda funny to start with ITU and heavy armor on an enforcer in nex and then just straight up loot 2 HVDs right away

>>180017142

you desperately need a heavy mauler

>>180016554
Migrate to /v/ or make another shitstorm about mod balancing
Or let's talk about arcade, how far you've gone and loadouts

>Nexelerin
>(mostly) Shadowyards run
>somewhat painstakingly made my way up to a Mimir
>SOMEHOW managed to wipe out an entire Outer Rim Alliance sector by conquering planet after planet
>decide 3 cruisers with Invocations and a Mimir with one might be enough to go fight remnants (red beacon)
Jesus fucking Christ they won't stop coming. Even with Automated Repair Unit the immense deployment cost of the Mimir is crippling

Is it time to go back to Onslaught GRD?

>>180008215
Reminder that a zelenograd can solo a Templar paladin with little to no damage to itself.
I'm probably going to remove DME cause they're just not fun to fight against and they don't have enough that makes them unique to intrigue my interest in playing them.

>>180023656
No, you must use your invocations to pray to the god-emperor.

So after having had stable games for over a weak, I've started getting crashes now. When I checked the files I noticed that the game hasn't created a log files in almost 10 days. Someone know what might be the reason for this?

>You'll join them soon.

sure thing DA let me just gather a huge fleet and wipe you from the sector instead

>>180025337
the mod author has said he's nerfing the ships across the board (the built in hullmod) so I'll see what the mod looks like when that patch is out.

>>180025756
What if we were to put four Invocations on a Diable dreadnought...

>>180026267
>DME balance patch
>flux venting and capacity reduced by 1 across the board
>weapon damage decreased by 1 across the board
>now it's balanced ;)

>>180026267

he's also said that he has no problem with DME outperforming vanilla across the board

he in no way intends to actually balance DME.

>>180026650
>exploration and science ships outperforming dedicated combat ships designed and engineered in the days of yore when humanity could build quality warships
it doesn't fit the lore, it doesn't fit the overall game balance, it's shit. fuck dme.

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i dunno. it's better but i'm not loving it.

maybe i should make it tan instead of blue. all vanilla ballistics are.

Vanilla has some strong ships and lots of garbage ships
Nothing wrong with that

Good luck finding enough tempests to fill a fleet, for instance

>>180027053
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's peeved at that.
Seriously they're multitaskers, if anything they should perform worse than the dedicated combat ships.

>>180027373

imo it's much more impressive when a modder (or professional designer, for that matter) makes something that has mediocre performance but is still fun to use than something that's absolutely top tier and is fun to use

>>180026510
he's going to cut the hullmod bonuses in half, and some specific nerfs for the zelenograd which is good too
>>180026650
see above. although I think it's going to take more than that, I think he's at least trying to balance it.
but
>>180027053
is right on saying that many of the DME ships are meant to be militarized logistics ships yet are on par (and in many cases above) their purely military counterparts. the zelenograd has no business being called a "research platform" when it has battlecruiser tier armament with a few fighter bays to boot.

So, let me get this staight, the modder makes white ships, makes them OP. Even when they are not dedicated combat ships?

Found the racist. explains why he doesn't listen to /vg/ he is from /pol/

>>180027830
>he's going to cut the hullmod bonuses in half

lol. ""only"" *1,15 vent rate

he's doing exactly what i would do if i only wanted to shut up complainers - light but not trivial nerfs to the most blatant stuff, leave the rest alone.

>>180028012
Hey, it is better than nothing. Mods always seem to have power creep. Sadly enough.

So what about balance /stsg/ patch?
>remove monobloc shipmod
>slash 10% of Op on research/support ships
>change weapons to be mere skins of vanilla weapons with the same stats as vanilla weapons
Anything else?

>>180028012
where did he say that? I saw, word for word "hacked the hullmod bonuses in half" for his dev version

>>180027980
You are not incorrect, he said he was a 4channer 10 years ago.
Thought he also complained about the site being overrun with nazis and at the same time complained about 4chan going soft.
Fuck me if i know. I deleted the messages. If you want to shoot him a PM do it, i can't be fucked to deal with him again.

>>180028947
Fuck, now I feel sad. It was intended as a joke. Real white supremacists are meh imho.

>>180028947
>>180028947
Well he is correct in both counts.

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>>180028947
>Thought he also complained about the site being overrun with nazis and at the same time complained about 4chan going soft.

both of those are true. that's pretty funny actually.

>>180028198
Ok here's how monobloc can be balanced, give them those nice bonuses, but add the drawback of MAJORLY reduced peak deployment time and high CR degradation and also give them increased DP costs.
They're chiefly scientist themed right? So their stuff being good at everything isn't entirely out of the question, but them being so efficient is. Make them semi-godly but only for like two minutes or so versus five.
In lieu of that, up the OP costs of the weapons by 3-4 to reflect that.

Their stuff can multitask and it can be good, but it shouldn't be good AND cheap, that's just dumb.

>>180029251
kys cuck

>>180029560

the weapons are already too heavy on OP for their mounts

>>180028198
I was thinking about dividing it in two.
Monobloc Construction: less CR loss from map events (coronas, etc), less powerful than solar shielding and doesn't protect against beam weapons, standard for all DME ships

Pressurized Flux Vents: very fast active venting, no passive venting, (uncertain) generates hard flux continuously, makes the ship more visible to sensors due to the very periodic venting even outside combat (only for combat-rated ships)

Also for the PD, i'd say to have a slow turning, heavy hitting, very slow firing one made for taking out fighters (lorewise it's used to destroy meteoroids that would otherwise cause damage to the hull) and a very weak, very fast turning and very fast firing one that is used against missiles (though it fares poorly against fighters) that is lorewise a converted science equipment for spectrum analysis (ie: it fires, heats up whatever it hits, sensors pick up the light emitted)

Also i'd make the ships consume a lot of CR when deploying and make the CR recovery cost fairly large (though the maintenance cost is very low), plus a very low PPT.
This means that they can fight extremely fiercely, with fairly powerful weapons and a fantastic vent rate, but they run out of CR extremely fast and multiple engagements will do unspeakable things to their combat readiness

>>180029757
this. what needs to happen is most of the weapons get toned down but also lowered in OP cost. it's fine to have a few really powerful but OP heavy weapons (vanilla itself does this) but it doesn't make sense for almost every weapon in a given mod fitting this description.

>>180029929

i'd be careful with that, extreme upsides + extreme downsides goes sideways pretty easily.

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>>180027362

well they certainly blend in better on the hammerhead now

>>180030127
How badly? Because what i was envisioning was "Single pirate fleet? Mopped up in a flash, not even Templars can beat this time. Prolonged/multiple engagements? We're fucked"

>>180030420
yeah, the tan looks really good man.

>>180025904
Checked if your mods are up to date? What kind of errors are you getting.

>>180027362
What mod is this?

>>180033261

gonna be in the next update of prv, together with a less busy version of the ljus and some other stuff

>>180027830
Let's not forget those 0.6 dmg/flux shields

>>180029992
People are going to end up arguing that the OP cost shouldn't change or it should increase along with a general nerf to all stats

>>180030624

well if i make my fleet like 1/3rd supercharged ships like that and load them up with missiles, aren't i gonna end up snowballing the enemy pretty damn hard?

now, giving them just a tendency towards low peak times and recovery rates i'm all aboard with.

just keep in mind how damn good SO are, and that hullmod has some ridiculous downsides

>>180036242
That is true of any missile equipped ship though.
Even the Archer is a outright nightmare with it's large amount of missiles and free reload

>tfw trying to mod hyperstorms for two hours
>tfw brainlet

>>180036242
>>180036713
Also forgot.
The version i proposed here>>180029929
Is the exact opposite of SO, no passive venting, fast active venting and, most likely, the ship produces hard flux at all times.
For obvious reasons SO is incompatible with such ship (the ship can't vent normally+SO disable passive venting=???)

So is this game free or what? I can't actually tell. I mean I downloaded what I think is the game from the main site, but it might just be a demo or something.

>>180036865
>tfw working four hours on shading a destroyer only to realize that i need to make it ten pixels wider

>>180036936
got to buy a key.

>>180037061
Ah, I see.

>>180036936
The game is the full game but it requires a activation key.
Unless you have winrar and jbe, then you can edit one line of java bytecode and yarr harr fiddle de dee

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>>180036936

all vidya is free

you'll need a key or a crack though

>>180037295
what's JBE and how do I edit the code?

>>180037501
java bytecode editor presumably

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>>180037501

>>180037501
Previous thread, or the one before it, the one with the big DME bitching

>>180037819

wut

>>180036898
>the ship produces hard flux at all times
That seems pretty harsh, all ships with it will lose the chance for 0-flux boost

>>180038372
That's why they should have a decent speed by default (NOTE: still high but lower than what it is now).
Quick, nimble, punch hard, but if the fight gets prolonged or something can catch up to them then it's over for them.

>>179972138
certain ships are unkillable through sheer speed

they don't win, they keep interrupting the assault and confusing the script AI

>>180038613
Hard flux death-counter will be tough to balance against varying fight sizes. If it's not taking damage, it shouldn't be generating hard flux, period.

The fundamental mechanics of the game shouldn't be violated by ship systems unless there's a really really good reason to do it, and do it very sparingly (e.g. fortress shields and damper fields). Hell, damper field appears in grand total of three (3) hulls in the entirety of vanilla's ship roster, but even that is a point of contention and balance debates.

>>180039130
>death-counter
Is not a, strictly speaking, death counter because they still have the active vent bonus.
It is a upper limit on how much time they have before venting though.

is there any more deadly combination than sabots and reapers?

>>180039428
Sabots, reapers and ion torpedoes

>>180039428

nope

sabots are pretty nuts

>>180039531
>ioning a man before kicking him out of a spaceship

>>180039925
I don't know if you saw the 2nd tournament but Ion Torps can easily rape armor and hull, on top of the EMP causing damage due to multiple malfunctions

>>180040054

so you're saying that it would be very painful

How do the bounties work?

Do you have to destroy the entire fleet or only the captain guy?

Can't really tell if I'm failing or earning these bounties when say a lone frigate escapes the battle and disappears into the planet they were hiding, since you know whenever you go near a comm relay it spams your console and you can't see what the heck is going on or not.

>>180040343
The enemy flagship is all that matters.

>>180028197
Some modders try to avoid power creep.

>>180040217
I'm naming my Dominator BANE? now.

>>180042220
You're a big ship

>>180040445
Thanks senpai

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>>180037864
I got my hands on a Zelenograd outfitted mostly to autofit presets with just a couple D-mods when an anon offered to compile complaints.
Along with another anon who was going through weapons, I decided to pitch in myself.
So I did some testing and, in a pilot's hands, the thing can pretty convincingly defeat most capitals one on one (including a fucking Paladin, seriously templars should be considered a very high balance ceiling by this point), and with pilot abilities it can, taking a load of damage in the progress, fight two onslaughts and an Astral and come out on top.
In autopilot you get similar results, with the less convincing battles becoming full defeats. It should be noted however that against the Templar's capital (you know the big fucking wall of a ship) the Zelenograd was able to take out a huge chunk.
It should be noted however that this thing defeated every Imperium capital with barely so much as a scratch, including the Matriarch.
Mind you, the entire time I did the testing this thing had over 100 less armor than it should have had.
Here's the album link if you're interested in the results:

>>180045438
>Go to copy paste link.
>Press tab before I press enter.
>Already entered captcha so it just went ahead and posted.
mah bad
http://imgur.com/a/6vx9j

>>180045438

yeah but what's that got to do with JBE?

>>180045821
Nothing, I was explaining why the thread was about DME bitching.

>>180045821
The image (on how to pirate) was posted there too

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Considering this was from just a random pirate raider squad with nothing but frigates, this is pretty damn good.

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What are some decent builds for this thing? Seems like all the default ones involve running in and dying because of tiny flux capacity and short range weapons.

metelson just got updated

>>180053014
When in doubt slap tactical lasors, graviton beams, high intensity lasers and slap some sabot spam on it and become a laser boat, can't really go wrong with that. That or stick anti-flux long ranged shield dps support kind of stuff. I have no idea what that ship is but usually support like that work out alright across anything.

>>180053386

BIG

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>>180053386
Wonder how the Obex and Rastrum perform now. Fighter wing with Hammers and a Mining Blaster (?) felt strong last time I used them.

>>180053386
fuck i dont want to restart yet again

>>180053386
>metelson just got updated
WUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS DEAD

>>180033256
classic Fatal:Null.
I believe it has something to do with me buying on the black market and then a patrol trying to pursue me. I feel like as soon as the patrol notices me it crashes

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What is it about simulator mode that makes the AI so retarded? That Enforcer had been at that hull level for about 45 seconds at this point. But every time the enemy's flux capacity fills to near half, my destroyer backs off until not even its own missiles are in range anymore.

Whats the best, most stylish frigate and why is it the Omen?

>>180059908
Why does everybody has to have their version of Odyssey?

>>180065860
How many modded Odysseys do we have? The only one I'm okay with is the IBB.

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>>180066891
Underworld has the Dragon.

>>180066891 >>180067036
I mean, is there a ship that has more versions? Vanilla, Pirate, IBB, Metelson... They are all different.

>>180064643
I think the simulator autopilot is set on timid or cautious personality

Alex should add an option to select personality when starting sim battle

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>>180067704
The Sunder has more versions I believe

>>180069191
tsunderer

>>180069446
:^)

>>180069191
Sunder, USunder, GKSunder, Rumbler Sunder. I remember enough to make a tie. Any more Sunders? If there's IBB Sunder, then yeah. Otherwise it's a tie.

>>180069961
Sunder D, Sunder XIV, THI Sunder, IBB Sunder

>>180070463
>Sunder D, XIV
skins
>THI, IBB
Fair game. Sunder won! Though have you noticed the less "standard" a ship is, the more versions it has? Dominator, for example, has only normal version with skins and IBB

>>180069961
Sunder (XIV), Sunder Pirate, Sunder IBB, Sunder (WRD)
might be even more

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>>180067704

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This frigate is insane

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>>180074867
I always have at least 2 sunders in my fleet

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Moras

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post meatballs

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>>180082035

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well that could have gone better

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these things, with a level 20 officer, are fucking scary when you're in a destroyer

>these wall-class drones
DR did a good job with them, really feels like you're fighting a mini boss or something. really menacing if you're fighting it with an early game fleet

>>180085208
>DR did a good job
Ground breaking news right there, stop the presses.

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i guess there are some downsides to putting SO on a carrier. whoda thunk it.

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>accept IBB mission
>'...has a modified medusa and falcon.'
>"mmh, so probably a few cruisers and destroyers as escorts"
>attack fleet
>2 cruisers, a few destroyers and frigates... and 2 battleships
>half my fleet chases a frigate around without ever attacking it
such fun!

>>180088685
those carriers love hitting ships with their swords

>>180074867
>every faction and shipbuilder blows wads of cash on trying to make Sunder better
>every variant is plagued weak shields and only introduces new flaws with each modifications
>the underlying power grid problem remains unfixed
good god, it's F-35 of Starsector

>>180089756

they're tagged as COMBAT, so that's entirely intentional

the legion is pretty good at it too

>>180089740

you could always toss up a defend rallypoint or engage command

>>180089740
order your fleet to defend one of the buoys. it exacerbates the problem of AI doing the square dance and refusing to deliver killing blows, but it beats the hell out of trying to babysit individual captains that refuse to listen to direct orders.

>>180091028

incidentally if you order your ships to Assault a bouy it turns into a Defend order once they've taken it

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>>180088685
>Ramming enemy Mora's into your battle line to achieve the same thing.

No better feeling

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I can always use more enforcers

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V3
mediafire com/file/b4xcaril9slzm5r/prv+Starworks+v3.rar

highlights:
new light destroyer + fighter
redone sprites for ljus, ljus d, akers, heavyakers
akers fire now creates pretty emp arcs

full patchnotes:
https://pastebin.com/raw/qvmVJNYs

i'll put up a forums post after i grab some new screenshots

>>180092649
>nine LP meatballs
>and a fucking Hyperion

frowningludd.jpg

anime faction with phase 'porters and black-and-red paintjob when

>>180093758
approlight

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Trusting luddic path ship for logistics feels wrong but these look pretty good on paper.

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>>180089772
Spilled my coffee

From the other news, I caused chain reaction in arcade so severe that I couldn't even take a screenshot, but eventually approximately 200 of ships were destroyed, along with Crystallium and frigate trio.

>>180069961
You know what irks me?
There's no ISunder for II.
Even though the sunder's role fits in with II perfectly.

>>180089740
The fleet AI is retarded but you've got entirely yourself to blame for not using enough commands.

>>180094930

free SO with no real downside since it's not like you want them to stick around in combat

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>just got a broadside cruiser with only forward facing missile hardpoints
Any advice on what to put in the small missile mounts? Right now I was just thinking Swarmers to fuck over fighters, but I can just put flak on this fucker and use it as dedicated missile boat.

>>180092387
Tystnad (and fighters) looks very nice, but Ballebo's armor plating could use some additional detail, compared to the busy, gray hull.
Don't do the outline glow thing, it just makes it more difficult to judge how the ship actually looks. A simple gray backdrop will do the trick also.

>>180095324
>Even though the sunder's role fits in with II perfectly.

one of the sunders main defining features is that it has fuck-all for armor

another defining feature is that it uses a lot of big energy mounts

doesn't found all that ii to me. it does prefer to stay at range though, i'll give it that.

>>180095371

and yeah i didn't touch the ballebo for this update. there's some work to be done there.

also you can't go wrong with sabots.

How did you protect Ludd-chan's smile today?

>>180095371
what mooooooood?

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>>180095937
Ship & Weapon pack, International Bounty Board boss bounty, something around 1+ million, this fucker also had a boss Onslaught and a boss Paragon.
The boss Paragon's system makes it literally invulnerable, but it generates obscene amounts of flux so it's actually worse than stock Paragon with extremely high shield absorption, unless you're facing stupid amounts of kinetic damage.

>>180096109
oh wow, 1m bounties, I thought i was close to endgame with 400k bounties

also: how to increase battlesize past 500?

>>180096380
Game folder/starsector-core/data/config/settings.json
Ctrl+F "maxBattleSize": and punch in your desired number (don't forget to move your slider after you do it)

>>180096487
And there was also a mod that changed this right? if it was 600 already then a mod had changed it.

>>180096585
I dunno. Mine is at 500 (max) and I never touched my settings file beyond increasing burn speed.

>>180096109
>1m+ bounty with three unique capitals.
Holy fuck, that's scary even for IBB powerlevels.

>>180097492
The capitals were surprisingly unspectacular. The paragon's 5 large mounts made it chew through flux faster than it could even put up its shields, the Onslaught never so much as touched my fleet because it was too busy getting outranged, and the Conquest was distracted with my Mimir.
Turns out that 2 Tartarus with 0.38 shields and siege mode make for incredibly effective fleet anchors.
Shadowyards is 10/10 fun.

>>180094930
Yes. Good all round.
The only annoying thing about them is they count as combat ships when you 'deploy all'.
Same for the LP Dram as well.

>>180098237

oh well fuck that then. that sounds real annoying

>>180097797
Oh, the SRA heavy cruisers? Yeah those things are awesome.
Need really damn heavy ordinance to chew through those shields.

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>living hull

>>180100605
Yup, the default load out is a pain in the ass to fight. Missile swarms harder than DA ships

>>180100605
You think those red veins are just for show?

>>180100605
Imagine if a phase ship had that hull mod.

Startin' a new game, should I grab Tyrador? I'm fine with something a bit better than vanilla, but don't want super over the top stuff. Sprites don't look so bad either.

>>180102303
it's pretty well balanced, and the sprites look good. I think its worth using

>>180102303
Definitely. I don't get the impression that the ships are much better than vanilla, they just tend to be more specialized.
The biggest difference to vanilla ships I've noticed is that their combat-freighters are a lot more optimized, but that's honestly a good thing considering how awful they otherwise would be.

Modular cargo bays are super comfy.

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mixing mod content is always such a joy

>>180102303
Tyrador is fine. They have some quirk weapons like drones but nothing all that game changing

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I am become death, destroyer of ships

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>>180102504
rip ship

>>180102784
How come those frigates are stacking on top of each other

>>180102784
>using red
why? it's like you want the rest of vanilla and mod content to be invalid

>>180103159
they're not frigates, they're fighters

>>180103159
>implying those aren't frigate sized fighters because that mod is broken

>>180103164
I like a boss faction

>>180103201
>"""""heavy""""" """""""""fighter""""""""" meme
that mod belongs in the trash

>>180103361
so do I, but that mod is super OP. more so than templars.

>>180103404
I mean corvettes are one thing, but those things are a bit too big even for that

>>180103501
>bosses are hard

>>180103714
who are you quoting?

>>180103501
Makes no difference in the end except killing things quick and killing things effortlessly quick. Some people like having extreme OP factions.

>>180100605

it should convert crew into faster repairs

Word of advise: Make sure the minimum battle size for nex is at least 200 for lategame nex+dyna.

Otherwise, you will end up losing the battle because you'll get vastly outCR'd

>>180096585
dyna changes max battlesize. you have to edit their settings too

>>180100605
just add monoblock construction onto it and you have a really balanced vanilla ship :^)

Who will save us from page 10?

>>180108406

quick, everyone pick a vanilla ship and make a skin for it

>survey mission
>"outer reaches of system xyz"
>spend all 120 days looking for the fucking probe
what a fucking waste of fuel and supplies

>>180110025

never take an "outer reaches", because they ain't kidding

>muh space storms

i hate this dev i hate him so bad

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>it's been 61 minutes since your last save
>Backing up save file
>Saving
>then suddenly backing up again
>Java has stopped responding

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I am gun

>>180111586
Don't use quicksave anon.

>>180112414
It was from the Menu.

>>180111685
>mudskipper mk.II plague edition.

>>180111685
>>180112835

the mudskipper is what happens when you mount a gun as large as your ship

that on the other hand is what you get when you add engines to a gun

>>180111586
The bad news: You lost your progress since your last save.

The good news: You can load up again without messing with your save file.

>>180074867
>Sunder
>ITU hull mod
>High intensity laser + 2 graviton beams

Sometimes this thing seams really OP

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>>180113054
>fire gun

>happy floaty rock happens to float by blocking the 10k damage shot


damn you space rock

welp distress beacon is useless mid game

yes please i would love that 80 fuel surely that will get me home

>>180113153

eh, it's a bit of a one-trick pony

tends to get sideswiped and just die once there are some cruisers or capitals around too. 250 armor doesn't go very far and it handles like a cow.

>>180113275
Welcome to every time I use lightspear on an adamas, Sunfire PDE's on a Karkinos, or tachyon lances.
There's always a space rock, and if not then the game will find a random destroyed ship to throw in your way instead.

>>180112414
whats wrong with quicksave?

>>180114180

add in a thumper, they really do a number on rocks/fighter wrecks/etc

'Starpoint gemini warlords' 'it is like mount and blade in space'

Well, I heard that before. Anybody played it and how does it hold up vs starsector?

>>180113153
Sunder is good at what it does under one condition: the given ship its firing on isn't able to fire BACK at it. If the sunder gets focused by a ship and can't win the flux war its toast.

Speaking of sunder variants, I find it ironic that one of the factions that doesn't have a Sunder subtype is the Imperium.
You know, the faction who's entire gimmick is heavy artillery and firepower?

>>180114508
I didn't like starpoint gemini, but I like this game. unlike starpoint, starsector has fun combat. it's kind of like M&B in that its a sandbox game where you start from the bottom and then build your fleet up, and there's a ton of mods for it that add replayability and features not in vanilla.

>>180115148
I have Startsector, and starpoint gemini warlords is the new game.

>>180115148
True.
Starsectors biggest flaw at this point is the fact that its not well optimized.
Well that AND its lack of game features outside of combat.
Industry and Base building WHEN

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Are there any mods that add a bunch of shit (ships, weapons, LPCs, mission types?) without fucking up the balance?

Is Blackrock not on the Version Checker masterlist anymore? It's the one thing that keeps giving an error when checking it.

Also I missed it the first time I've seen them but what are the guns that are like actual flak? One big Scy ship had one that made explosive clouds and another gun I saw shot out cluster shells that split into a bunch when at a certain proximity to impact.

>>179963474
Flu-X is kinda neat. With Nexerelin factions will eventually become neutral or peaceful to them but by default they are hostile to all like pirates. They're also pretty strong sometimes and can overwhelm others so you may have them expanding pretty fast, which is what happened in the previous game version where they took over two systems completely. It's also cool how their mothership lets out a roar when activating the special.

>>180040343
If you see the captain guy dead in the post-action screen, you've done your job

>>180115408
oh, my bad. I thought you were asking for someone to sell you on this game.

>>180113275
I have that problem with the Keto's Astrapios all the time

>>180115929
>Nah that's my fault, dropbox's update to public folders *** it up and I haven't bothered finding a replacement yet.

can't say i blame him, fuck keeping a .version up

>>180115871
>missions
HAHAHAHA
Well, actually SWP adds custom bounties
And Underworld lets you be a pirate in a better way then the vanilla
I think SWP, UW, II, TSC are breddy gud.

>>180115871
Arsenal expansion sounds like your best bet, but if you're looking for faction mods Shadowyards and SCY are pretty good about balance although SCY missiles are a pain in the goddamn ASS.
As much as I love BRDY they're really not terribly vanilla friendly (not as bad as some but their torpedo bombers are REALLY damn good), but they get an honorable mention for how awesome their ships and weapons look.
Avoid DME and GKS like the plague.

>revert some nerfs
>my changes were added to the originals
>fleet logistics is now 30+50%
Shit. While I'm trying to do this, anyone have simple stat buff suggestions?

>>180116938

context fgt

So what exactly IS the style of old Domain ships? Hegemony sounds like they're the closest to them but they're all old heavy guns and armor. Wasn't there a good few of really high tech Domain stuff going around?

>>180117370
Mastery ships all had heavy armour and heavy guns, former because of the fact they didn't had any shields, latter because former.
Later was Core and then Expansion epoch and that's where you'd find that "high tech Domain stuff".

>>180117370

almost all ships in the sector are originally domain designs.

the main three doctrines are the low-tech Enforcer -> Dominator -> Onslaught, midline Hammerhead -> Eagle -> Conquest and high-tech Medusa -> Aurora -> Paragon

Anyone know how to remove the level cap? 40 doesn't feel high enough.

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Remind me again why this thing has over 1000 armor?

>>180119615
russian engineering worship

>>180116938
Well if you look at it the changes are pretty much the following
>Higher fleet costs due to reduced efficiency of related skills
>Higher ship count demand due to enemy groups being tweaked out slightly.
>Higher ship count demand due to bounties and other things being placed farther away, necessitating a larger supply fleet for fuel range.
>Reduced effectiveness of combat traits since most of the combat traits affect just one ship
>Reduced effectiveness of the OP skills since it went from 2 skills down to one.
>Increased travel costs due to increased hyperstorm density and effect

Just pick one and change it if you feel it's that bad. Otherwise you'll still adapt to it over time. I think so far a 200 deploy cost fleet still breaks even in 200k bounties, most of the 200k bounties I've seen range from 150 supply to 330 supply. I've had a tougher time getting higher tier bounties to show up though. Some 300s, but not that many.