/rlg/ - roguelike general

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Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's play our best today!

remember when you could cast swiftness and levitate to get flying

>>179917064
True, but it seems to be working okay so far.
Do I quaff my 2 mut pots to try to get rid of this berzerkitis?

>>179925949
zerkitis is one of the worst muts in the game so yes

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>>179925949
forgot image again because I'm literally retarded

>>179926150
>
>that ring mail
>no tele
TAKE
IT
OFF

>>179925808
seriously AE has to be the worst background now when is someone gonna fix it

just give me a spell that removes all the oxygen surrounding an orc priest

>>179926150
holy shit dump that body armour

>monsters have to keep spawning or else players won't know that they should descend
>there has to be a constant threat of starvation or else players won't have a reason to descend
t. roguelike developer

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Dare I?

>>179926713
In Shiren all the staircases are one-way

you fight and eat because you will die tomorrow if you do not

I'm finally getting around to reading it, but thanks to the anon who recommended the LP Archive for Angband:

https://lparchive.org/Angband/

I'm right at the part where, IMO, Angband gets really fucky (1750' or dlvl 35) and most enemies get hard as fuck. So, very interested to see how this guy maneuvers it and apparently wins.

>>179926713
Both are in brogue
Why the fuck

>>179926834
Get a second one and make a serum. More than double the fun.

Is there any reason to use a diesel engine in DDA given the choice?

>>179928346
Otherwise the player would stay on level 1 forever and would presumably be too retarded to make progress and try to win the game.

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>>179926408
>>179926473
I dropped it in an ice cave, so I won't be tempted to put it on again.
Mut pots did alright.

DC:SS is Yred or Kiku easier? Furthest I've gotten is one rune before.
I'd prefer melee or hybird melee.

>>179929610
Yred gives you undead slaves that can win the game for you.

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>>179928773
Its just another fuel source if you need it. Stick with electric/gasoline since they're way more common.

>>179929754
I thought so - I used to be fine starting as a MiDk before it was removed.
So still go MiMo or something?

>>179929961
I don't see the point in monk. Minotaurs have good weapon apts, and a MiFi has no trouble getting to the temple.

>>179929961
the only reason to pick monk is the 4 unarmed skill and i think that was removed (but it may have later been unremoved?)
if you aint a troll just pick Fi or Gl, your better starting skills + equipment are more valuable than a bit of bonus piety down the line

>>179928180
He also did a Tome 2.x Let's Play that was really entertaining/informative, but it's unfortunately lost to the internet.

>>179931273
Wait nvm, here it is.
https://lparchive.org/Troubles-of-Middle-Earth/

>>179931273
???
https://lparchive.org/Troubles-of-Middle-Earth/

you are probably having trouble finding it because you were searching for "tales of maj'eyal" or "tome' instead

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>>179932837

What would the Beor version of Hador 5/1/1/1 be? I feel like playing some Sil and its one of the house I never won

>>179935756
There isn't one. Anyway, Beor's about rushing for Flanking+Dodging faster than other houses.

>>179926713
>d-dont rush me i wanna be comfy in my silk panties and aluminium bedsheets
Stick to non-roguelikes like CDDA, you tool.

>>179926412
AE is alright now that they have a decent offensive spell in airstrike.
They were never worse than AM.

>>179935948
Or wait, Beor gets the grace bonus, right. I guess you could sing your way to the depths with some stealth. Your choice on if you want to sacrifice 2 points of dex for 1115.
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=15598

>>179935756
1115 + singing/sprinting?

>>179935756
2232 is boring but serviceable.

>>179935756
Riposte rush all evasion i guess.

>>179936298
Hmm. So basically a pacifist but without stealth so you're almost guaranted to die, sounds fun

>>179936985
EDAIN
PRIDE

>>179937214
When I play Sil and splat one Edain after another, I like to imagine that one future guy who will finally reach Morgoth by climbing on the giant pile of corpses of the brave dead Edains

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>>179937658
It's interesting because you can streak Edains once you splat them enough.

Your brain switches into some sort of bizarre Edain tunnel vision (one of the guys on the forums called it an "E-hole") where the real world stops making sense and you start being able to predict that a monster will do X if you do Y and then make moves based on this system of autistic precognition. It's also spooky because once you come out the E-hole, you're never quite sure if your worldview has reverted back to normal or if you've entered a second aberrant state resulting from acute brain damage.

I once stayed up for three days ascending Edains and blacked out. All I have to mark the time are the chardumps and sixteen Wendy's receipts.

All I'm saying is that death is NOT a prerequisite for ascension. What you need is a change of perspective - seeing the wheel of dharma on its side, so to speak - which can come from death, but it's never necessary. Death is a purifying process on the path to enlightenment. Some men die tens of thousands of times before they break free, but others make it in one or two attempts. We all go to the same place though.

Never give up, ok anon?

>>179939568
>All I have to mark the time are the chardumps and sixteen Wendy's receipts.
kek

>>179936156
AM is good anon

Best race for DCSS Xom runs?

>>179945787
kobold

>>179945787
Monstrous demonspawn

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So i got in the hospital from the challenge start, and after fucking up like 20 zombies I can't see shit. I thought it was just blood and it'd go away, but i can't seem to get it to stop, and I kind of need to be able to see, is there some adom bullshit where i have to wipe my eyes or something?

>>179946861
what kind of zombie did you fight i dont play with tiles but when it is pink its like i killed a boomer it eventually will go away

>>179946993
There was a fuckton of zombies, spitters and probably a boomer. I waited for like an hour IG and its just not going, im afraid if i just wait too long ill be hungry and shit and then it wont go away and i wasted time

>>179947139
>When you realise you cant read times
Im retarded it was like 5 minutes
I just hit the wait button more and it eventually went away
T. retard

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hehehehe

>>179947362
if you wear eyeprotection like a gasmask it wont happen when they explode

>>179930593
tbqh Mo is literally the worst starting background, it has absolutely no tools that allow survivability in the earlygame.

Even trolls benefit more from Fi and Hu starts, for the free shield or rocks, respectively.

>>179947931
it has the highest EV you retard

train your fucking dodge skill

on SpEn i know i get a buckler but do i actually level shields at all?

>>179939568
What an outstanding post.

>>179947931
TrMo worships Oka and throw ruk tho

>>179942995
If you are an Ogre or troll it's like a shitty hunter yeah.
Starting with a ranged weapon is kind of poor for most characters.

>>179948541
Literally only because it starts off in robes, and backgrounds only matter for the very earlygame.

And in that space of time, you're more likely to not die as a someone with robes and a shield and a potion of might, than someone with just robes and some inconsequential ** piety.

>>179948541
ev doesnt matter, ac+ev+sh matters

>>179948774
>check your spells while wearing the shield
>check your spells while not wearing the shield
There, now you know the actual correct answer, without even having to solve a captcha on 4cham.

>>179936031
Post Brogue wins, faggot.

>>179949008
because it starts with the highest Dex and initial dodge skill anon, it's the background that has the least trouble hitting adders in melee.
>>179949027
>ev doesnt matter
shut the fuck up we are not having this discussion again

>>179949140
I only have like 7 and max 6 lumens.

>>179949240
oh wait no that's actually assassin cause of that stupid +2 dagger

>>179949367
+1

>>179949367
what about freeze
or nets
or might

>>179949950
>what about freeze
melee refers to hand to hand combat or a brawl, or otherwise a chaotic close quarters fight between multiple combatants
>or nets
are a consumable ranged maneuver
>or might
does not improve accuracy, only the odds of dealing significant damage

>>179949297
That's trash
Brogue is shit

>>179949950
>>179950201
now if you had said enchanter...

>>179950201
i have never run out of nets before running out of D2 hydras

MiEn is better than MiMo because at least then you can crosstrain into longswords.

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thank you based shaft

>>179950530
thats pretty cool usually i get fucked by falling in a shaft

>>179950516
Monk lets you pick your weapon now

>>179950530
every time I see your name I think that it's a shame it isn't Vajrapanties

>>179950745
l-lewd

>>179950608
you could say you get shafted

>>179950516
MIMo is way better than MiEn because you can start with an axe.

I have a zombie mom quest but the target's house has cellar spiders. If I light the door on fire, will it burn down the whole city?

if i have say 4 pips of stealth and am flying does that matter? doesn't flying not make any sound at all in crawl?

>>179954705
No, flying only matters for fighting on water without fumbling your attacks, or going over deep water/lava.

And monsters with airstrike deal extra damage to you, but that's about it.

>>179954684
Depends on how close together the nearest building are, I guess.

Though I don't know if a zombie dying to fire counts as your kill or if that even matters for that quest.

>>179954705
>>179954821
Your stealth is halved when you're in water and you have bad footing. In other words, if you'd normally have "you stumble ...." messages when attacking in shallow water, then your stealth is also halved when in water.

So, flying does have some purpose.

v - the +8 hand axe "Axtufu" (weapon) {drain, rC+ Str+4 SInv Stlth+}

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>>179954974
There's also a tank parked outside. Should I try shooting the spiders with it? It doesn't have enough wheels so I can't just steamroll the entire house.

>>179956060
hi...

>>179956060
MY AX-FU??

>>179950268
Wrong, idiot.

>>179956060
AXTUFU, NOOBS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yO1jgryqQ0

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im-fucking-plying

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This one goes out to everyone who hates these fuckers

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>>179951572
I just spent 2 hours in mspaint to draw you a picture to illustrate my meaning

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>>179956628

>>179957691
sigmund is a cuck

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>>179957512
i feel like i understand your meaning even less now

I'm not sure what I expected, but beehives sure have a lot of bees, and it hurts when you're trying to start your motorcycle and four bees are eating your face. I want to say I remember them being easy food back in whales cata.

>>179957861
Need a roguelike where bees are endgame.

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>playing online

There is another distant roar. More lava overflows!
_You hear a sizzling splash. x7
WOOOOOOOW

>>179957837
it's a vajra tho

>>179958341
i had to goolg this

>>179950530
>vajrapani
ye some kinda limp wristed buddhist kiddo?

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>>179956572
You're a genuine dick sucker.

>>179939568
Something similar happened to me with tome, when I woke up I was in a crackhouse.

So I don't get it. Did they make all the uniques female because they like making us kill females?

>>179960024
no devs are just SJW shitters who feel the need to push their shit idealogy in a shit game

I want to play roguelikes at work. What game looks most like work/a spreadsheet/a powerpoint presentation?

>>179961890
If you don't like it, you don't have to play it.

>>179960024
>>179961890
it's actually virtue signalling in the hopes of achieving lesbian intercourse with other men

>>179962112
I'm pretty sure you didn't have to do it in the first place and the only reason you did was to achieve acceptance among a clique of closed minded individuals rather than any sort of actual morality you stupid hon

>>179962390
>lesbian
>intercourse with other men
w-what?

>>179962509
>he doesnt know

>>179962843
i just don't get it
man on man =/= lesbian

>>179957837
sauce

What exactly is the problem with a spellcasting system where:
1. You don't run out of the memory of the spell by casting it.
2. You don't lose memory of spells over time.
3. You don't have a limited set of slots that get used up by memorizing a spell.

Everyone seems to think that spellcasting is overpowered, so they put in all these limitations, and the result is always that otabbers end up being not only the simplest but also the strongest archetype.

>>179963229
thats the joke

both sides are transgenders who act a certain way in order to appeal to "women" who in both cases are actually men who will mutilate themselves when they realize that no real woman would love them as they are and simultaneously invalidate each other's identity or be forced to accept themselves as shallow degenerates who only transitioned out of desperation after failing to to be anything other than gamma males

>>179963389
Casters and hybrids scale the best out of the possible archetypes in crawl. Magic is pretty busted in other games, especially where detection and mobility are key.

>>179963229
There are 'female' members of the DCSS development community. All of them are MtF transsexuals who spend $50 a month buying new avatars on SomethingAwful.

By working on DCSS development (in ways that are trivial and therefore fast, and popular with that segment of the community - mainly changing the gender of monsters), you can gain reputation with these 'women', which betas (incorrectly) believe will earn them sexual favors.

No actual female human being knows or cares about roguelike games, and only Ashkenazi Jews are able to perform meaningful roguelike development anyway.

>>179963354
das shimoneta senpai

why does darkest dungeon cost like $25 still
When the fuck is the summer sale. Or when the fuck will this game be on sale for any reason. I have never seen it on sale.

>>179963554
so someone let a mentally ill person or people control a rather popular game? this will end well...

>>179963801
id rather play legend of grimrock even though its not a roguelike

>>179963835
A community inevitably gets dominated by the sort of people who are willing to put in the effort to do so. Since all the hard work in DCSS is done, and all that's left to do is tweak mechanics (aka remove 'bad' features), it doesn't even require any particular skill anymore. It's all about who's willing to play office politics over an open source freeware game.

>>179963801
You're 6 months too late. It was on sale for $12.50 around Christmas time.
Better cross your fingers and hope it comes up again.

>>179963835
back in the old days it used to be the kind of mentally ill guy who would steal a girls panties and wear them on his head while programming for 48 hours straight piling up mountains of cigarettes and coffee cans around him who made the greatest of videogames

nowadays that position is filled by a guy whose stupid enough to wear the panties like a girl after stealing them and shames other people for chainsmoking

even literal actual faggots would be more respectable

>>179962073
anything ascii as long as your boss is illiterate

>>179963801
literally just torrent it

>>179963389
Well, spellcasting is usually multi-purpose, high range, high damage, and restorable just by resting.

Plus, eventually they do grow powerful as hell.

IMHO, the problem with casters is that they're flimsy. They'd scale well with otabbers if it didn't take minimal amounts of bad luck to kill them.

The easiest way would be to just make them scale equally in terms of HP/Defense until the mid-late game (let's say, XL 23, which is also where you stop getting MP due to XL).

>>179964047
We have enough people here to take over the development of DCSS probably. I wish we could organize.

>>179963801
more like grindiest grindgeon

>>179964545
What's it like knowing that you're actually inferior to SJWs whose only contribution (if it could even be called that) is turning miniboss enemies into women?

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whats youre favorite roguelike

>>179964334
where

>>179964780
It's crazy how hard 4chan and especially /pol/ and /v/ gets BTFO on the regular by these SJWS

>>179964925
its retarded faggots get butthurt about it to begin with

>>179964925
its hard to take this kind of comment seriously from someone who literally sucks cock

>>179965110
How's your Nazi roguelike coming along? Oh wait it isn't because you're completely incapable of programming.

>>179964861
Depends on what I have a taste for. I don't really have a favorite because every roguelike does its thing in its own way.

>>179965287
>everyone who bullies me is the same bogeyman
anon srsly there's actually a lot of people who think you're dumb as shit and find your pitiful "achievements" laughable

>>179963801
An expansion is coming out on Monday, so it's probably getting a sale.

>>179965537
Don't worry, someday you'll save the white race by taking over DCSS development, through sheer force of numbers (since individually of course you can't do anything).

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>>179963801
Send this one to journey elsewhere, for we have need of sterner stock.

>>179966201
Suffer not the lame horse. Nor the broken man.

>>179965651
DCSS is a pile of hot garbage that I would find it physically nauseating to spend my time trying to fix, especially knowing that a bunch of insecure fuckwit manchildren, and they certainly are 100% males, would simply reverse all the changes or neuter them with the woefully petty and asinine knee-jerk reaction they have that forces them to attempt to nullify anything that would draw attention to their complete and absolute lack of any sort of creativity or individuality.

I would be buried by the sands of time just like circus animals, just like hellcrawl, just like wu jian, and you would sit around bouncing on your dragon dildo slamming the plunger that fills your fauxgina with artificial dog semen to congratulate yourself for editing the pronouns in another paragraph of text while sycophantic permavirgins pat you on the back for conforming to absolute mediocrity and effete submission to an unfeeling politically correct authority complex that doesn't even actually exist

you will give yourself permission to think you're appreciated by someone rather than doing literally anything to create or actualize any sort of actual innovation or improvement to literally anything in your worthless, sweaty, overweight life you obese sack of shit do you even think your frankenstein vagina is ever going to smell the same as a real woman and not your own nutsack fermented in it's own sweat

>>179966383
are you the same dude who argues against having children because "muh over population"

>>179966383
Madness, our old friend.

>>179966584
no anon there are over 50 people who post in these threads

send help its me anyn ive been kidnapped by candleja

>>179966859
yea but there is only one or two complete fag spazz asses that sperg out like that and type entire character length posts

>>179967026
anon there's like a dozen of them at least

some of us

get this

some of us are doing it satirically

it's almost like it's part of the warning label of this fucking website

>>179966995
anon this isn't /b we don't post memes li

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>>179967202

>>179963801
Don't bother. It's extremely shallow tactically and strategically. The only good thing about it is the setting and feel of the game.

>Fight horde of zombies
>Focus tanks, get 2% of a level in melee for the several hour long fight
>Read a book about melee
>Become a master within 2 days
How do I make skill practice less dumb and grindy?

>>179970727
you shouldn't need zombies around to get xp. add a mechanic to actually practice (like people do in real life!)
you should be able to push a button to make your dude spend a few hours swinging around a sword at the air or beating up a scarecrow.
also applies to other skills like sewing and mechanics too

WORLD OF GNOLLS

>>179971225
> add a mechanic to actually practice (like people do in real life!)

Like this? https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects/5

>>179972007
i like that idea in theory, yeah
maybe not the "it takes 10,000 hours of practice to reach level 10" thing though

>>179971876
TAKE THE KNOT

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>>179972606
Thanks, no thanks.

>>179972260
Still less grindy and wastes less time of the player than the current one.

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>>179971876
WORLD OF ECHOGNOLLS

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>>179974991

ruthless and free
it's all ctrl-q to me

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>>179972007
>10000 hours to go from level 9 to 10

Is the skill training rate option the way to go for this? What's a recommended value to set it at?

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>>179976291
>10000 hours to go from level 9 to 10
What? no, that's TOTAL time invested to reach that level, see:

lvl 0: none
lvl 1: 2 1/2 hrs
lvl 2: 6 1/2 hrs (4 hours past 1)
lvl 3: 15 1/2 hrs (9 past 2)
lvl 4: 39 hrs (23 hours past 3)
lvl 5: 97 1/2 hrs (58 hours past 4)
lvl 6: 244 hrs (148 hours past 5)
lvl 7: 610 hrs (366 hours past 6)
lvl 8: 1525 hrs (915 hours past 7)
lvl 9: 3814 hrs (2280 hours past 8)
lvl 10: 10000 hrs (6200 hours past 9)

>>179973307

I'd be content with a tiered set of targets and dummies for practicing.

Something along the lines of a 1-3, 4-5, 6 dummy for ranged, blunt, sharp and dodging with increased construction complexity. (caveat being that even a worse dummy can still prevent rust and lead to a slow improvement.

First tier should be entirely wood and rope, 2nd tier should be metal and springs and such, 3rd tier actually requires electronics and motors.

Similar items should exist for practice , but they don't need to be nearly as complicated: A challenge lock to avoid mechanics rust, a breadboard to do electronics, ETC.

>>179976503

I suppose they're basing that on the "It takes 10k hours to master a skill." speech?

3 hours a day for ten years to go from lvl 0 to lvl 10.

>>179976613
>3 hours a day for ten years
That's a lot of time.

>>179976945
>That's a lot of time.

That's a big skill level.

>>179976945

How do you get to Carnegie hall?

You buy a ticket

I'm gonna play an instrument for three hours for the next ten years see you guys around

>>179977134
We have a place called carnegie hall in my city which is literally at the worst intersection in town.
I used to go there to borrow fantasy books from the library as a children.

>>179966383
You know, if you would find enough people who thought like you, you could just make your own version of DCSS

>>179980146
I hope to god we don't find enough people who think exactly like him.

>>179980401
I would actually like a shitty roguelike. Maybe I should try to play some 7drl who lost, at least if they're finished

rip my streak
idk why i played whilst drunk

>>179980692
I play much better when I am drunk

>>179980735
I mean thats because you are a fucking trashlord normally dude keque.

>>179980401
Which god? Ely?

>>179980921
no bully pls

>>179981080
Everytime someone says "no bully" to me, it just makes me want to bully more. Is this the intended effect? Have I fallen for the trap?

>>179981208
no i'm 101% serious pls no bully in this thread that's mean

>>179981387
Okay well it's not like I'm going to stop when you keep pushing me towards new highs you dumb cunt. Any of my cruel actions at this point are basically your fault, retard.

>>179981606
pfff, if you insult me, I basically won. I won't leave my principles behind and become an animal to sink on your level.

Come at me, inferior human being, to prove that I'm right.

>>179981698
Bad post.
>>179981757
Utterly dreadful

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>pixie and naga captives
>one floor above there's empowerement
>but they're guarded by this motherfucker
Sorry fellas, not happening.

>>179982768
game?

>>179982832
Brogue, bretty gud game.

>>179983051
thanks, only heard good things about this game, gonna check it out

>>179964208
> coffee cans
Wtf? your coffee comes in cans?

>>179972260
> maybe not the "it takes 10,000 hours of practice to reach level 10" thing though

Ow god that statistic again. Yes 10k hours. Just like you swallow 5 spiders per year, and you only use 5% of your brain. It is bullshit. (not all skills are the same, in some practice matters, others it does not etc etc).

And not only that, it is also a very bad mechanic for a fun game. In particular one that gates content behind skill levels, via recipes.

>>179984014
>It is bullshit. (not all skills are the same, in some practice matters, others it does not etc etc).

Yeah pop science can be cancer sometimes. But I guess if it gets people to practice it's not too bad. Unless of course people get scared away by this uneccessary big arbitrary number

>>179971876
IT'S ALL FAULT TO ME

>>179987607
NOOOOOOOOOO

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thicc HP and thicc MP, if only sif gave me some actual good spells tho

>>179990329
i hate this meme

You are now aware that Sojobo is in fact the Queen of the tengus

are there any good roguelikes with party based tactical combat? Im looking for something like FFT

>>179992983
JavelinRL has party based tactical combat, but modal combat.

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BOOYAH, the Amy is princess of the world now! :):):) <3 my BFF Arrhythmia, together we'll mix up the demigod bar and have one drink after the other!

>>179991846
Benten is my only queen.

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>>179993062
Omedetou, amy-chan.
12 broken conducts for the team by next week, you have my promise.

>>179993539
Thanks! You rock!

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>>179993786

What a noble sacrifice!

>>179977129
UUUU

Can you recommend me some roguelikes that are a bit easier than the ones recommended in OP? Especially ones that have a graphical ui instead of ascii characters?

I'm just a casual and I want to play games that are fun.

>>179997580
The ones we recommend in the OP are some of the easier roguelikes.

>>179997580
DCSS has a decent graphical ui, and it's at least fun for the first few wins. Try an easy combo like minotaur berserker to ease yourself into the game before you play stranger combos.

After that, it's just e-peen building

>>179997580
Try DCSS, maybe watch some tutorials to get the basics down and then it's easy and fun.

Forays into Norrendrin is pretty easy too if you stealth it, but it is ascii only. The ascii is gorgeous though

Otherwise try out some roguelites, these might scratch your itch.

>>179997872
>>179997902
>>179998190
OK, thanks guys!

>>179997580
O-tabbing in dcss is like the easiest gameplay experience in the world

>>179997386
I told you about wearing that AFC.

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>>179981208
saying nobully is supposed to be an excuse to post qt akariiin~s

>>179993539
this post looks like /mlp/ to me
get back to your containment board

>>180001019
Begone!

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>>179981208
What this anon >>180000896 said, no bully!

>>180000896
Nice taste too, akari best girl!

>>179997580
>I want to play games that are fun.

>roguelikes
>fun

oh anon...........

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>>179935349
>Not even once
>But twice!

where my rogues at

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Beat this

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what do

>>180006521
GET SOME INT

>>180006784
>implying I need to be smart to hit stuff
A cure mutation potion would be pretty convenient right now.

>>180006521
book

>>180006521
dude you are dumb even for a minotaur

>>180008316
Even my little child who is 3 years old has at least 5 int

>>179980401
some people are really dedicated to maintaining a status quo where children get kidnapped and raped

I wouldn't mind a revolution myself

lets stop taking care of fat people

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Would like to start getting more users back on CDDA. So reminder that roguenex.us is back.

It's been a while, don't expect to be added back to the OP until we have more games added back.

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>>179983682
it's actually pretty fucking great and one of the things I miss most about being in japan

their comestibles are just outrageously good there

>>179984014
>>179984859
in reality skills rust and cross-train and a lot of them have break points where you will advance much faster if you hit upon some inspiration that brings you to a new plateau

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>This actually works
This game is alright sometimes.

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Whoa...is this how those peopel who died in Grenfell felt??

>>179932837
>>179935349
Oh, I just now remembered:

Someone should do the "I am growing stronger" edit with this.

>>180012672
>the spriggan cries
Damn.

>>180012408
you can build a 'vehicle' with a water tank in one spot and a long-ass wire connecting it to an RV kitchen set in another location. you will be sending water over a wire from your tank to your sink

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Should i?

>>179954705
Flying USED to provide a bonus to stealth way back in the day. But hidden stats are bloat didnt you know

>>179956628
and then one day he break the cage and he get this

>>180014010
>abandoning qaz with 6 stars

i wouldn't, tbqh

Also, unless my knowledge of Jiyva is totally wrong, you're gonna find yourself fucked when you need to get a better weapon than that rapier, since the slimes will eat everything.

>>179957691
wow, so rapey

the devs should really remove this......

>>180014347
i agree. disgusting. what kind of misogynists run this game? fucking terrible. i'm gonna get reddit on this

>>180006312
i chuckled

>>180012672
Again DCSS shows it's a modern roguelike. Not only is it politically correct, it is also the first roguelike in which your enemies have emotions and you empathize with them.

Maybe in the future they will even personalize '@'.

Im trying to do a run in DCSS where i will try to make my character as weak as possible by wearing stuff that will decrease my stats, getting bad mutations and so on.
Can anyone here recommend a horrible species/class/god combo?

>Just started playing DCSS
>Get a decent character going after dying stupidly my first few times
>Go down stairs
>Stairs surrounded by orcs
>Orc Priest takes me to 1hp in one attack
>Another orc kills me when I try to drink potions
Good lord what am I supposed to even do in that situation?

>>180015152
So you want to just die?

>>180015178
You go back up the stairs.

>>180015379
They followed me up the stairs

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First time through Orc/Lair, wish me luck guys

Also, what should I know about Shoals/Spider?

>>180015152
Tengu beserker and abandon immediately

>>180015178
earlygame is the most dangerous part of crawl.

There's a reason why so many experienced players with streaks of 10+ wins tend to get fucked very early on, and not lategame,

>>180015473
spider is easier than shoals but watch out for ghost moths. They can turn invisible and can drain your magic very,very fast.

quaff invisibility if you're in a tight spot and a ghost moth appears, they can't see invisible. Watch out for entropy weavers as well, they have smite targeted corrode, kill them asap.

Shoals has a bunch of dangerous ranged enemies and hexers. Try and have MR+++ so you don't mesmerized.

>>180015550
this but naga

>>180015178
It all comes down to experience. If you know your class can possibly die to orc priests in one turn, there are a few things you can try.

> Pray to kek and go up the stairs again directly. They get a free hit, but you'll probably survive.
> Potion of silence
> Potion of invisibility
> Potion of rage
> Summon meatshields

All of these are viable options in the very first round you descent the stairs and find yourself surrounded.

>>180015152
Octopode would probably make for the worst, due to the lack of armor slots and the fact that you can purposely wear some pretty shitty rings.

But honestly, if you're trying to do a challenge run, you might as well start with something halfway strong and gimp yourself.

>>179964472
I think one problem is that unless you're playing a very high-aptitude race your level 1 spell rapidly becomes outclassed and you don't have enough mana or spellpower to reliably use anything better (especially with the horrible accuracy of some spells.)
Meanwhile, you could just otab and level your weapon skill until Lair without thinking and be stronger and more versatile and less likely to die to a phantom.

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>>179964861
Demon for sure, I really like the combat and the silly builds you can make

>>180015473
Entropy weavers are a major thread. Only fight them 1vs1. Trust me, when you first see them, just run. They corrode you so hard that even a single spider will be able to kill you.

>>179982768
Jesus Christo

I didn't know special monsters could also be mutants

>>180016038
How do pros do it? Hybrid spellcasters who can still melee in dangerous situations?

>>180015591
I've gotten 2 or 3 characters up to that point (mid-high single digit levels) and they all died in similar ways. Orc priests or mages just shit all over them. That last one just felt especially bad because it was the first time I had gotten a cool weapon and was tearing shit up before that point.

>>180016008
Yeah I guess I just need to play more. Its such a complex game compared to the roguelites (or whatever they're called nowadays) I'm used to. Lots of opportunities I'm probably missing out on.

>>180016340
yes which is why IE is considered the strongest book background (Ozo + icebeasts + some blasty spells too)

there is some guy in rlg who is constantly advocating for the "train 0 fighting or dodging and cast firestorm in lair" strat which is like the exact opposite

>>180016375
They usually just call themselves Roguelikes today.

>>180015178
the most important strategy for winning crawl, and the one new players always seem to have trouble using, is just WALKING AWAY from bad fights
>go down stairs
>surrounded by orcs
>go up stairs

>leave corridor and enter room
>see sigmund
>go back into corridor and let him sleep

etc etc etc

>>180016975
>Go down stairs
>Hydra

>>180011498
Oh hey. Nice lettering.

>>180017126
>LEROY JEEEEEEEEEEENKINS

>>180017126
This is what happens when you refuse to get some stealth.

>>180017126
hydras right next to the lair entrance are pretty shitty and will probably cost you some consumables to beat, yeah

if you run into them in other locations in Lair and your character can't easily fight them you can and should walk away though

way too many people post about raising a particular skill because they "need a way to deal with hydras", but as long as they are not naga or ^chei they already have one

>>180016531
just found out what Ozo means. Sounds badass

>>180014010
No what the fuck

>>179981208
it literally means you're a cuck

going by the the theory proposed by maslow's hierarchy of needs you as an enlightened organnism with self awareness will do your best to attain your needs, eventually coming to the point of trying to self-actualize your will unto the the world, you will mold yourself unto what you can imagine yourself becoming, you will try to make for yourself the place where you can imagine yourself being, you will try to enact changes in the environment shaped by your own ego

so at some point you will attain a sort of power of being in the world

this is where we go to the super mystifying 8th tier that exists beyond the pyramid, which is called transcendence, and basically represents the desire to transform other people in the world you live in

according to maslow there are two major variations of this, where you either accept some sort of defeat and limitation and internalize a sort of bitterness and helplessness to achieve the state of true happiness you desire, deciding that your ideal reality is impossible and stupid and so you attempt to make others the same as you, when facing the outside world you want to destroy the ideals of others and remove any example of what you failed to achieve, this is the figurative of dragging others down to your level and making other people's lives worse to make yourself feel better about the unreachable state of your ideals and the shame and humiliation you feel because of the childish things you wanted like love and admiration and acceptance and camaraderie

the second way is that you decide it's worth it to try, and you will do your best, and try to make things better, because you won't accept defeat and believe that if people work together and support each other they can achieve their ideals together, you believe you can win like a true MuMo

and bullies hate that shit because it makes them look like chimps

>>180016975
>>180017319
How does stealth work in this game? I noticed enemies were noticing me less as I was leveling up so is it just a passive thing?

Also is there a way to play with keyboard only without a numpad? Clicking on everything is such a pain in the ass

>>180017793
>Also is there a way to play with keyboard only without a numpad?
vi-keys

>>180015152
Make sure you only take escape hatches downwards and never go back up stairs unless the floor is already cleared

>>180001469
Yui is best because she has a penis in my headcanon

>>180017785
lmao next thing youll mention is how population control is required and how kids who "bully" should be killed

>>180017793
In Crawl? Yeah, you can actually just use hjklyubn if you want.

As for the Stealth, I imagine it was a combination of increasing your Dexterity and/or wearing less cumbersome armor (maybe wearing a robe or something). It also might literally have just been RNG.

>>180017793
>playing with mouse

Oh boy, you have some determination, I give you that.

You don't need a numpad. Learn to move with the vi-keys.
h - left
j - down (it kinda looks like a down arrow)
k - up
l - right

z - up left
u - up right

b - down left
n - down right

Do you also click on the icons to cast abilities and items? If yes, please stop and ask for the correct keybinding.

Also note that it will feel weird at the start, but trust me, learn the keybindings, it will be totally worth and make playing roguelikes so much more enjoyable for you

>>180017960
Right I should have clarified that. Is there a way to make the vi keys not fucking garbage? The way they are laid out is really counter intuitive.

>>180014390
>tripcode

>>180017785
You have ascended anon. You managed to use the bullies own powers against them.

>>180018237
accident from brit/pol/

>>180018190
they are really not. Just play with them for 2 hours and you will internalize them and kick yourself that you have not learned them ealier.

vi keys are unusable unless your keyboard is an americunt

>>180018091
your mind is like a shallow gutter

Does anyone here like to craft a story around their characters and give them a personality?

>>180018641
im german, 'z' and 'y' are swapped. It takes some time, but you will get used to it. Just takes longer for us than for amerifats.

If you use windows, you can use an autohotkey script to swap the keys, which only activiates when the game is focused. If you don't know anything about AHK, I can provide you with one, I used them myself quite a bit. Just need to install autohotkey

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>>180017994
STOP

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>>180017793
Totally passive. Raising dex and training stealth makes enemies less likely to wake up/notice you in the first place, and makes it harder for them to track you outside line of sight.

Pic very related

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>>180014268
>>180017672
I went ahead and did it anyway for the mutation memes. The problem is there's slimes literally everywhere i go now.

>>180018641
keys are rebindable

Im going to play nethack for the first time, to what extent is reasonable to spoil myself? I even avoided the nethack pastebin but after remembering the elbereth thing I leaned somewhere down the line Im tempted to say to hell with it.

I dunno, is there anything like a list of essential spoilers out there?

>>180020896
it would be very painful if you didnt

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>>180019424
and sometimes you are just fucked and need to go somewhere else no matter what
pic related

>>180020668
retart we WARNED you about the slimes what the fuck did you think
you will never get loot again lmao

>>180018453
>>180018174
I got a nostromo as a gift a while back. I think I'd rather just dig that up and rebind them to numpad keys. I just can't wrap my brain around the vi keys

>>180018091
If only we could control the population to zero.

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>>180020668
>>180021231
I regret everything now!

>>180020668
Dumb anon..

where are the 32 bit versions of the nethack variants? nethack 4 for example wont work on my machine since its for a 64 bit OS

>>180021710
>I'm so fucked up...

>>180020668
Funniest thing is that Jiyva constantly gives and takes away mutations that ultimately don't matter, his only good ability is slimify because it's a 1-hit against anything that isn't a demon or an orb of fire.

He's only good for getting lots of points in the tourny, that's the only reason why anyone ever goes to the trouble of picking jiyva anyway. But that's probably just me salty about losing 2(TWO) jiyva trolls in zot:5 in the tournament.

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>>180022135
Im so fucked up

>>180021112
>not manning up and going for the stabs with 30 minute prayers between every step

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>>180022308
Nevermind im fine and found tons of stuff to put on.

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>>180022864
omfg??!

>>180023063
If both siblings are alive, they can't follow you up the stairs.

>>180023063
looks like you prayed to the wrong god, little boy

>>180023221
wrong. they both came up together
>>180023231
_a scythe; a robe
_You spend a moment contemplating the meaning of life.
He got btfo

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>>180022985
DONT YOU DARE!

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>>180021112
>>180023063
I feel your pain, I had Dowan, Duvessa, Grinder, Ijyb and Edmund on D:4.

Then I had Mara and Nikola on Spider:4. RIP

>>180023459
fuckign retart

>>180023459
this is why you play an og/op of jiyva
loot getting eaten doesnt matter because none of it matters to you anyway

>>180023221
If only one is near the stairs and both are alive, they wont follow, if both of them are near the stairs, they follow you up

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>>180023687
don't fuck with nikola famalam, probably the most bullshit unique if you have no rElec (see pic)

>>180023459
If youre gonna do this jiyva shit, learn apperantion or whatever is the spell that pulls items towards you
Also they move at the same speed as you so you have time to get that ice armour and

>>180024067
Or Tr

>>180023459
>>180024221
My autopost kicked in
AND helm and maybe the ring too

>>180020896
Elbereth is in the manual, it's not a spoiler.
There's a few things that will make your early game piss easy but you'll manage normally. Paying the oracle and paying attention will get you very far.

>>180024150
Holy fuck

I teleported right next to him, and on the next turn he woke up and blasted me. Should've stuck with the ghost moths.

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>>180014390
>uses a tripcode in an anonymous imageboard
>goes to /pol/ unironically

The simple idea I have to share threadspace with you disgusts me to the bone.

A rat king gave me albino, what do I need to not melt in the sun? Sunglasses and having something in every slot apparently isn't enough.

>>180026678
lmao

>>180017785
I love posts like this.

>>180012408
>Suddenly too heavy for its engine when I add a muffler
What? Why? I got the engine from a car 20x its mass.

>>180025253
>>180024150
> Nikola (@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 190 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 20 | weapons, items, doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: magic(120) | XP: 3261 | Sp: shock (d18), b.lightning (3d22), chain lightning (5-264), blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high.

Max 264 damage. You could go around a corner, not know nikola is there and be dead. Several DCCS uniques are this stupid. Of course, there is no reliable way to get monsterdetection on most builds, like other roguelikes with crazy monsters.

Energy randomization makes it worse, Nikola could blast you twice in a row.

>>180017785
Projecting much? Holy shit!

>>180028867
>y-you're just projecting
deflect more, beta-cuck autism bucks

>>180026969
umbrella

>>180028693
nikola and rupert are the only real offenders like this, and nikola is trivialized by rElec
delete rupert tho

>>180029459
You forgot Margery. She and her hell knightes once oneshotted me while going round a corner.

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motherfucker please leave me alone i spent all that time crafting stuff and getting the most out of the starting shelter pls

>>180029969
Triffids keep spawning if you don't wreck the triffid heart.

I might be retarded, but how do I install trunk on linux?

I-i'm just learning how to use linux pls no bully

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>>180030181
i saw the heart but i had no clue, now im in a sinkhole and im like lmao at least im warm

>>180030309
depends on distro but apparently they have debian packages linked from this page
http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/

>>180030328
Sinkholes still excist? o.O they used to be hard to detect deatholes that made you go gameover. I thought they were removed, or ... did you intentionally jump in one?

>>180029969
>Starting in winter

>>180014390
you're a faggot

>>180030605
I was just walking.. Half of the tiles are NOPE symbols so I dont know 99% of what shit is until im touching it
>>180030631
I didnt know I could start in different seasons? I went for the Sheltered starting thing, but.. Dunno, didn't know it was different in terms of seasons

>>180030328
You're fucked.

But now you can get experimental instead of the ancient stable version.

>>180030587
My question is how do I add both, it and normal crawl I assume I have to:

# Install the source repository
echo 'deb https://crawl.develz.org/debian crawl trunk' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
# Install the DCSS signing key
wget https://crawl.develz.org/debian/pubkey -O - | sudo apt-key add -
# update your package list
sudo apt-get update
# install tiles version
sudo apt-get install crawl-tiles

But what if I also want to have releae version, or I have accidentally added release version?

>>180030769
Are the stable versions bad? I had no idea.

>>180017785
lmao get bullied you fucking nerd

>>180031036
The stable version is years old
Also don't use tiles DCSSposting hurts my eyes more than enough

>>180031272
spoken like a little bitch, are you a muslim too?