/rlg/ - roguelike general

I want to get into NetHack. I really liked SLASH'EM for the extra roles.
My question is just SLASH'EM is based on an older version of NetHack, how retarded would it be to swap between/play NetHack first and then SLASH'EM after I get good again.

Is transmuter the best start?

>>179626963
I think Nethack is a bit more conservative with changes to vanilla, so there probably aren't too many differences between it and the version most variants came from (3.4.3, I think?).

>>179629148
>I think Nethack is a bit more conservative with changes to vanilla
**compared to Angband, for instance

dead fucken general 2bh

how are everyone's runs going?

>>179632925
Just splatted to a faun who hit me for 22 damage with a +0 spear

>>179632925
Havent started one since i last won yesterday

>>179632925
I missed most of the tournament, then I realized that .20 was shit anyways and hyping up a tournament is just a dev tool to try to get more people on board with their shitty changes

>>179626768
Can we get back to talking about how the DCSS devs are pathetic cucks and literal trannies? I was enjoying that.

>>179632925
I'm as dead as the threads

>experimental DDA binary no longer works
>have to compile this bloated monstrosity on my toaster
Maybe it will be done by the weekend.

>>179632925
I'll have full employment to waste life at in a week so I can't prop up the general with excellent posts anymore. You're stuck with DCSS complainposts and notaroguelikeposts for eternity. But my own run is following the meta, I guess.

>>179634728
Just get an earlier one?

>>179626963
Very retarded. Any time you learn something in NetHack, you'll try to apply that to SLASH'EM, assuming that it's still a true and good mechanic, when sometimes that won't be the case. That means instead of just not knowing things you'll be suffering from false knowledge.

It would be better to just commit to a variant/vanilla from the beginning.

why'd the thread get so dead post-tourney

tourney drained everyone's enthusiasm and energy

>>179639245
they ran out of meth

ah yes, my favorite episode of my favorite show:
>Stone giant in Orc two-shots you with his large ruks

epic. really makes you consider the volatile nature of man.

>>179639245
foehn winds draining everyone's spirits

>>179637063
Nah, the oldest one available on the website has the same issue. From what google says for the error message, I'm guessing the guy making the builds updated his compiler recently and no longer supports whatever old libraries are on my computer.

>get bored of MerGl of Sky around Lair
>start a DrTm, gonna make it my first Chei run
>2 dart slugs right out of spawn
>very nearly die

wew lads

What's the go-to early skillings for TM? Should I run Transmutations, or focus unarmed

>>179642041
once you get ice form online you can pretty much train uc exclusively until it's fast enough to start training fighting and dodging too

>>179642041
The method I used for my DrTm wins is to skill Transmutations and/or a secondary school until the spell is castable (i.e. not yellow fail rate or worse) and then pump UC.

>>179642041
What i did in my run was
Transmution - spellcasting - ice - uc - dodging - then whatever i needed like invo for chei, more uc/dodging, etc.. This was OpTm btw

>>179642293
>>179642334
So I shouldn't bother with Spider Form, go straight for Ice Form?

>>179642041
rush spider form. The bonuses you get from having spider from far outweigh the bonuses you'd get from training straight UC thus far.

Rushing spider form:
>extra dex increases to-hit, dodging, and stealth
>tiny size increases dodging and stealth
>another intrinsic to-hit bonus
>higher UC base damage
>poison brand on top of it all
>

Focusing UC until the point in the game where you'd have spider if you rused spider:
>lower attack delay by 1 aut
>slightly better accuracy
>slightly better base damage

>>179642430
Spider form is awesome early on, use spider form against hard hitting shit like ogres and similar, ice against other popcorn shit and stuff that can poison you, especially fucking bees

>>179642430
spider form is great but don't use it against adders as it's vuln poison and you will get fucked

imo spider form becomes worthless after iceform is online. remember iceform gives hp, which is hugely nice

also keep in mind blade hands does a fuckload of damage. so you can just rush for that on a strong race if you want. it's a little more fragile than iceform though

>>179642874
>>179642564
My regular strat is ignore everything else and aim for bladehands

I'll use these more often, thanks

Been playing Slimy Lichmummy, its fun but man Im out of touch

>pretty good run
>a big ugly knife in each hand
>dark armor+boots with stealth implants
>bring down the dragon, get the dragon armor
>couple of spells learned from books
>go down the next level
>a couple of bad decisions later Im cornered by dark horrors or whatever their name is
>ok I could phase through one of them since phase teleports two tiles from your position
>phase
>die after getting telefragged by the horror in front o me

ok, either you cant phase through a monster or that particular fucker can eat you regardless

second time I killed the dragon I spent too much time on that next level trying to disable force fields with granades and got swarmed by angels

>And yet no dickery
>no updated mumofesto
>no nothing

God is dead

>>179643073
>rushing blade hands
Noob trap

>>179643529
rip
I haven't played TSL yet but I've seen a couple runs and everything I've heard of it sounds entertaining, good, and short

>>179642041
protip: be extremely liberal with your use of sticks to snakes

>wielding a +7 GSC of freezing pounding shit out
>oka keeps giving me shields despite having 0 skill
god damned retard shitter god

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>LRD can blow up sealed doors

more secret tech the devs don't want you to know about

>>179645278
Good thing the devs in their infinite wisdom extended the Oka experience to Veh too. Who doesn't love getting random garbage you can't use?

>>179645448
you used to be able to blow them up with orb of destruction but they fixed that

>no roguelikes in wich you play as tiny mice in a fantasy world

I would love to see something in the vein of Redwall or Mouse Guard
Now I will have to learn how to program to do something about it fuck

>>179648713
you could just take any existing roguelike and reflavor it

>>179648713
>gigantic multi-tile enemies

STILL not clear why roguelikes can't handle this. Krakens in DCSS, for instance, are awesome.

>>179649038
Incursion

>>179632925
>Qud
>rerolling until I get a freshwater weep not too far from starting town
>spores always fuck me up and I catch fickle gill
shit's hard

>acquire armor twice because oka is useless
>2 shields
REEEEE

>>179649038

that would be a challenge indeed

I kinda figure having two sets of W clusters in the form of wolf paws approaching you would be scary as fuck

>>179632925
Got ambushed by about 40 guys on the way to Morivant at CL 14, in a level 24 wilderness square, at night. Killed them all and walked away $10k richer, 2 CL higher, and with 5 shiny new wands. Feels good man.


Now, a couple PCB questions:
1) What determines the chances of getting a bolt vs. a beam from the various "bolt or beam" damage spells?
2) I'm currently playing as a gray mage. It seems like they are very strong in the early game, due to gaining access to a wide variety of spells very quickly, but this is supposedly balanced by their 10-slot cap on usable spells. Should I expect the cap to become a major issue at some point in the future? And is there anything I should do to mitigate it?

>>179650720
>What determines the chances of getting a bolt vs. a beam from the various "bolt or beam" damage spells?
it's entirely based on your character level and your class (high-mages get more beams than mages, mages get more beams than mage-warriors)
>2) I'm currently playing as a gray mage. It seems like they are very strong in the early game, due to gaining access to a wide variety of spells very quickly, but this is supposedly balanced by their 10-slot cap on usable spells. Should I expect the cap to become a major issue at some point in the future? And is there anything I should do to mitigate it?
I haven't played a grey mage but apparently they are extremely strong even in the late game.
Probably you should look through all your available books and plan which spells you want to learn in advance so you don't run out of 'study points' or whatever they're called. You will maybe have fewer low-level utility spells than other mages but you can always just carry devices for things like phase door or detection. (Castable teleport is better than the scroll/staff though because 0% fail.)

>>179650720
Grey mage MIGHT need to skip some of the utility spells replicated by devices and scrolls, but in exchange it can cast wraithform, demonlord form, invuln, call the void, et cetera.

>>179650720
>What determines the chances of getting a bolt vs. a beam from the various "bolt or beam" damage spells?
Character level and class, I think, with mages having better chances than the hybrid classes.
>Should I expect the cap to become a major issue at some point in the future?
Not really, most damage spells are useless and a lot of utility ones can be replaced with items. They are likely the strongest of the mage classes thanks to the number of high level spells you have access to without having garbage sorcerer hp.

>>179651514
Call the void is not very good
It's kind of funny to use it as a huge-radius destruction but I wouldn't memorize it over the normal destruction spell because of the 1-200 self damage this causes.

LOL

>>179652765
>file no longer exists
?????

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>>179652765
>>179652918
Wrong image

>hungry ghosts
reeee

>>179653116
Better hope you're not worshiping gozag

>>179652971
sadly I have never seen a katana in an antique store

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What is this? I didn't turn on Wander Spawns...

>>179656503
Spotted the formicid.

Seriously, how can you tell what is going on with those minuscule tiles?

>>179643907
how can someone this impatient win a mumo
calm your tits faggot, lest the Tittycrusher grabs ahold of them in your sleep

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I usually go vehumet on blaster casters, but they always get assguttered pretty hard. So, I decided to go sif, and, holy shit, she is amazing.

The book gifts guarantee you're not stuck waiting on the RNG to get you something good, and the divine energy lets you run out of MP but not instantly get assfucked by having 1 more cast of a spell. She is probably better than Vehumet for casters that don't want level 9 spells asap.

>>179659735
>the divine energy lets you run out of MP but not instantly get assfucked by having 1 more cast of a spell
It's great for kiting as well, since the -Cast time is usually less than half the amount of time it would take to regen the MP naturally.

doesn't sif have an ability that lets you just recover half your magic bar for some pitiful amount of piety and invocations investment

>>179661195
for me it seemed to cost a decent amout of piety, and using it at all kept me from every reaching 6* even when I was training magics

>>179659735
sif is great but i'm still mad about
>sif muna accepts your kill!

>>179660885
divine energy is available at 1* or something too
it basically means you have infinite mana in the earlygame when you're spamming low level spells that only cost 1-3 mp

>>179661313
It's not the ability, it's just that Sif piety is ridiculously hard to keep up in general.

>>179661478
Divine Energy at 1*, channeling at 3*. Using Divine Energy for 1-3 mana spells is wasteful though. If you're going to be -Cast for a while no matter what, you might as well fire off your biggest nuke and hope it kills the guy.

>>179661478
with old sif, you got channel energy at 1 star piety, and for many mages that was also effectively infinite MP.
>wizard
hide behind imp/conjure flame and channel, or blink and channel, or slow them and channel
>air mage
swift, run away, and channel (not anymore RIP goodswift)
>fire elementalist
hide behind conjure flame and channel
>summoner
hide behind summons and channel
>earth elementalist
petrify the lead of the pack in a corridor, channel
>warper
blink, channel
>venom mage
just kill them outright because early game VM is busted
>ice elementalist
hide behind ice beasts and channel

There was literally l i t e r a l l y LITERALLY nothing wrong with Old Sif, devs should have just introduced a 3rd magic god based on time travel or debt or some shit instead of fucking with a beautiful classic god of infinite cheese

definitely need another magic god. agreed.

>>179661956
the -cast duration is based on the mana cost of the spell
i'm saying it's OP when the spells you were gonna use anyways are low mana cost, i.e. in early D

Vehumet is the magic god of destruction and raw power, Sif is the magic god of knowledge and versatility, so what would a 3rd god be?

>>179661958
>literally nothing wrong
>infinite cheese
>in dungeon crawl eleganttactical death-to-all-cheese soup

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Also, irradiate is the perfect spell for an ogre caster. Literally facetank a billion guys with your thicc hp and then 1-shot them all with a single cast.

>>179661958
Old Sif was mad OP in extended. You're guaranteed to be gifted lich form at some point, and lich form makes channel literally free. Then Sif's miscast immunity means you only need to get it to 60-70% fail rate for it to be usable (yes that's 60-70% fail, not 60-70% success), at which point you can sit in lich form 24/7 using channel to regen mana at something like 10x the default rate (or 3x if you're an idiot at put literally zero XP into invo). It was fun as fuck to play, just rolling through the hells spamming those L9s. Out of mana? Channel once, channel twice, oh look it's time for another Fire Storm.

>>179662379
That would make me very happy

>>179662681
There's a fixed base delay (it's `3 + missing MP` on average) so you waste a lot of time in -Cast state if you use it with 1 MP spells.

>>179661958
>There was literally l i t e r a l l y LITERALLY nothing wrong with Old Sif
It just was not fun.

>>179663345
>spamming haste at 50% failrate until success before you enter a new level isn't fun
>using flight+ haste +channel + 50% failrate firestorm to clear shoals isn't fun
>using haste+freezing cloud+ice beasts+ icicle to get slimy rune at XL 14 isn't fun

people who don't think that makh/ash/chei/sif aren't the funnest gods aren't playing right, and probably agree with the dev changes

what about a god of spell focus?

>you get a reduced number of spell slots
>by focusing on these fewer spells, you are able to achieve superior mastery of them
>casting some spells above 'max' spellpower
>casting spells in tandem
>casting spells twice
>getting a okawaru's finesse-like effect on your spellcasting
>chaining spells instantaneously on kill, but you can't cast the same spell twice in a chain

obviously not all of these effects, but some of them, possibly modified. It could be like a wiu-jian council of magic

Or a god of singing.

>the more consecutive turns you spend casting spells, the stronger your song grows (your song grows faster with higher MP spells, so you can't spam magic dart for max song power)
>higher song power lets you do cool shit, possibly like the powers in previous post
>the downside: this god dislikes spells that are below 'somewhat loud'

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Damn all these books all so early.
MUH
DICK

>>179663728
You can still do those things. But now you don't have to wait until you get XL6 spells to make Sif tolerable to play.

>>179664817
sif's 1 star piety carries early mages, what are you talking about. 4 invo and the right utility/summoning spell and you are ready to rock.

>>179664381
>It could be like a wiu-jian council of magic
so all the interesting features would be gutted in trunk and it would just become the god of "you have higher max spellpower and better max MP"?

>>179664381
>casting some spells above 'max' spellpower
Maybe just give an enhancer? All the high-level spells are capped at 200 and it's damn hard to hit that already (50 int + 2 enhancers, or 33 int + 3 enhancers, with 27 in all relevant skills).

>>179664928
Thousands of extra buttons pressed throughout a game on top of the butan-heavy nature of spellcasting, and contrasted with Oka each invocation of Sif channel felt like it did shit-all. But now you only need to turn on Divine Energy once to get a substantial boost to mana stretchery, and you can actually get some fucking big boy mana for once, at the price of a bit of piety.

So what do you actually do to survive in the wilderness in dda? I had to hide in a cemetery building to not take cold damage at night, and all I've really managed to do so far is cook frog meat on a stick.

>>179664381
Sounds pretty sick 2bh, but devs hate fun new gods. Especially since the primary complaint against Wu Jian from the devs was 'I can't tab mindlessly with this god, pls fix'

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>Try to fix a motorcycle's gas tank
>Need a hacksaw
>Find one in another town
>Killed by a shocker brute

>Try to build a wooden bike
>Need a wrench
>Find a toolbox
>Mugged by an NPC
>Shot in the head

>Try to build another wooden bike
>Have all the tools and materials, Mechanics skill too low to do it
>Find a Mechanics book
>Get hungry while reading it
>Go to the grocery store of a town that I cleared of zombies
>Horde led by a zombie necromancer approach from the wilderness
>Game crashes

>>179665552
>hacksaw
If you are particularly desperate, you can smash the frame with the tank on it and hope the frame breaks before you damage the tank too much. Probably need a welder to repair, though, so still needs some tools.

>>179663016
Irradiate is just an outstanding spell all around. Effective level of 6 and great damage for that investment and the 5 cost.

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3/3 for winning ogres now

>>179665135
nah, I'm talking like he removes spellcaps, maybe gives you an enhancer as well, but if I had to choose between the two I'd say remove spellcap. And even give a cool message when you cast a spell above max spellpower. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, maybe it would be broken for low level spells, like sandblast. Sandblast at twice the regular power would be insane against now AC targets, like titans and such. So maybe limit the 'remove spellcaps' to the level 9 spells. It won't get too out of hand with the lvl 9's because of the conversion of raw spellpower to real spellpower, it would indeed be pretty tough to get above 200 on a level 9. But it would be fun to try.

>>179669035
Is mace ogre still a decent choice? That +3 aptitude going to -1 made me pretty flaccid.

>>179669382
Throwgre >>> Clubber

>>179669242
Removing the spell power caps on L9s is useless, and removing the caps on lower level spells would be OP. An enhancer would be much, much better.
Alternatively, you could increase caps by 1.3x

>>179669382
Its still viable

>>179665360
Vehumet is the god of low-effort caster. Sif is the god of high-effort tedious cheese caster. Making channel energy cost piety means that you can't spam it, meaning that you can't cheese. If they want a new less cheesy high-effort god, then they should have made a new god. What's the fun if you can't do clever shenanigans forever throughout the dungeon (bad players and devs call this 'tedium'). Old sif was a perfectly viable god choice in every stage of the game, even zigs. New sif is also perfectly viable at every stage of the game, but now you can't do clever little tedious things with him, like be a XL5 shitter MuWz and stroll around with rMsl and permaswift up, and standing outside a doorway recasting imps until you get only iron/frost, then ordering them to open the door for you. THAT's the fun part of Sif. If I wanted to play resource management caster, I would just go vehumet.

>>179669783
yeah, but vehumet already gives you an enhancer, so if you were after that then why would you go this god instead of vehumet. Hm, maybe that would work, increasing all caps by 1.3x or some number.

>>179670509
Vehumet gives you Wizardry, not an enhancer.

Watching Bcadren speak random nonsense into the uncaring void of ##crawl has to be just the saddest thing.

Should I go for the engame weapon early, or stick with the midgame weapon more appropriate to my skill?

Specifically, a +2 glaive of protection or a +2 bardiche of draining, at polearmes 16, in lair

>>179672548
Use the glaive until you have 20 polearms, that way you can swing the bardiche at 1.0 auts, which is good enough to use.

>Spawn near a sports car in perfect condition
>Drive through a city on my way to the refugee camp
>Arrive at the camp
>Crossbow is gone
>A technician zombie took it while I was in the city going at 60 mph
Why is this allowed?

>>179672725
Thanks.

Another general question for anyone with more experience: I'm a polearme MerGl of Uska. I feel like I should train stealth at least moderately to take advantage of all the stabbing opportunities she gives. Am I just wasting xp?

>>179673084
Train Invo with Uskayaw since it increases the rate at which you gain piety and the duration of the mass paralysis.

Later on, when you have more exp than you know what do with then you can probably invest some points in stealth.

>>179669783
not to mention that raw spellpower gets logarithmically stepped down so that you'd be getting fuckall actual spellpower no matter how stacked you get

The ettin hits you with a dire flail!!
The ettin hits you with a dire flail of crushing!!!
holeeee fuck
that was fucking retarded

If I find an artifact troll armor with the Regen property, does that stack with its inherent regen? And would they stack with an amulet?

>>179674321
it stacks with other sources, if it just says regen that is it's inherent base regen bonus

How about a sorcerer god that turns your spells into magical abilities (silence immunity), and forces you to use HP as MP and MP as HP. Throw on inverted guardian spirit for good measure. Antimagic weapons (wielded by player or enemy) will fucking kill you, as will ghost moths and crystal ball. Have spellcasting skill match player XL. Do some other funky shit

>>179663236
and then they decided casters should suck and be no fun and removed their want-to-be setups

the devs should read some fantasy books and then remember that is canon that magic casters are supposed to just be better than melee fighters

>>179673045
fuck man that is heartbreaking

>>179675313
blood magic? maybe make that a ring

>>179675313
>and forces you to use HP as MP and MP as HP
done before, and it was good. but too good. All it did was make fuckhueg tablords (Djinn)

According to the pastebin, Expert Disassemble is a skill, but I don't see it listed in the skills available. What do I do???

>>179677012
djinn was HP = HP+MP
they were a shared resource
I'm talking about essentially swapping HP and MP values
So you'll be walking around with felid health but fuckhuge mana pool
Also add an empower ability to empower your spells somehow
maybe something like double mana cost for double actual spellpower (uncapped)

opinions on cogmind?

>>179669783
if you want to play crawl without spellpower caps do a game of dcssca has a HaCj and oneshot everything with magic dart

>>179678017
Yes something needs to be done about the problem of spellcasters having too much HP.

http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-20-tournament-results
Tourney post-mortem is up.

>You may be wondering how Ijyb is doing in the rankings now that she always has a wand but places a bit deeper. She’s moved up 7 ranks and killed 281 more players compared to the 0.19 tournament, with over 8 times as many wand kills compared to melee kills.

>she

>>179680646
and aizul and grinder and nikola and polyphemus and urug and gastronok and jory and saint roka and purgy
pretty soon they will be removing non-female uniques such as menkure and norris and rupert and maurice altogether

>>179681108
pretty soon they'll make sigmund gay

>>179626768
is brogue bullshit

>>179681384
best lair steps
even if you use escape hatches, trying to come up will ensure death
try a wand of polymorph if you have one

>>179681603
It's monty hall the roguelike except you find out that you picked the wrong door about an hour and a half later

how do I git gud/[endspoiler] at brogue

>>179681603
it's awesome but idk why people think it looks good. having 500 tiles on screen of similar but slightly different color clashes horribly

>>179681975
Get good at guessing.

>>179679689
Minmay is a girl? Is she hot?

>>179682482
her cock is huge

>>179681975
Don't use ID your shit for a while, hope for a good offensive option otherwise go full regeneration/invisibility/teleport and hope you can enchant them enough, dip at the slightest bit of trouble, always, don't fuck with water.

>you have grown [fungus] on [bodypart]
is there anything that makes you alt + f4 faster in a roguelike?

>>179682772
water should just be removed from that game completely. its bullshit and not fun

>>179683136
I disagree, I think it's neat and brings a lot of flavour. There's also quite a few ways to deal with it, but maybe there should be more, idk.

There are bigger problems in Brogue, imo.

>>179682635
I take it the medication works then?

>>179682482
irl she is a qt elf named duvessa

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4ad91a05bbc20fc481583542ab70a125a0369532

>I'm not particularly worried that having access to faster mp regeneration as an amulet will push magic-heavy builds over the top.

it won't, lasty

because magic-heavy builds are awful in crawl

>>179685756
whoa wait a sec
did the +50% MP regen rate stack with nu-sif channeling regen? because holy fuck that'd be great
and now it's been removed

>>179685756
Wow, it's nothing. And of course they had to weaken it for high mp characters, you know, the ones actually using lots of offensive spells.

So pretty much what we expect from lasty.

>>179686661
nobody wore amulet of magic regen that late anyways

>playing for 5 hours
>press u to step beside a stone giant
>finger slips and i press k next
>he hits me and I die
Not a huge fan of that flavour of fault desu.

>>179679689
>Sigmund was the most deadly unique
Honestly, how are people this bad? I don't think I have died once to Sigmund since the first time I reached lair. He even has a polearm so if you fuck up, you can just walk up some stairs and he wont follow.

>>179688675
>Sigmund
i ve only played since .19 and always fuck him up easy

>>179688675
He's worth a potion of experience early on aside from the skill levels.
Worth the risk if you are trying to go fast.

>>179688675
he casts confuse at a depth where players will not have identified !curing
the correct choice is of course to walk away out of LOS the very turn you see him, but if you do anything other than that you have a significant chance of dying

Sigmund is one of those guys that walks around with wands sometimes too, there a lot of ways to cheese him, and he's pretty simple to just diesel through, but also casts invisible and confuse and can assgutter you pretty quickly.

It's almost always fault when he kills you, but it's extremely easy to fault to him, especially if you spent the last 10 games slaughtering him on sight.

>>179688675
If he doesnt kill you with a combination of confuse and a poison scythe, having to dive to avoid him might

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>Bionic Sniper profession
>Can't hit anything more than 15 tiles away
>Suppressed rifle still deafening

>>179692790
suppressed guns are loud irl :^)

>>179692790
>>179692936
https://youtu.be/L7fp3qLPz6k?t=53s

Guns making you deaf in a game where you shoot people with guns is bad game design.

>>179679689
>The most dangerous ghost was everyone’s favorite Crawl lua bot, qw, who claimed an incredible 150 kills
Based qw
>tfw i finished 86th
Im satisfied with my results, hope you guys had fun as well!

>>179694027
i know its gay but the devs are faggots basically i dont really expect cdda to ever be good

>>179688675
>Sigmund uses a wand!
>It's a wand of polymorph!
>You are turned into a tree.
>Sigmund hits you from afar.
>10 turns later
>You die...

Anyone else playing Elona+ right now? I'm playing with custom and I haven't touched the game in a long time but NPCs seem to linger around my home like bums and I can't for the life of me figure out how to tell them to fuck off. Is it a bug? My home is now cluttered with about 20 random citizens who just showed up to say Hi and never fucking leave along with some trainers.
Its annoying the shit out of me. Bug or feature I'm missing? Please and thanks.

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>>179626768
How do I into nethack? I've only ever played DCSS, -bands, DF, and DDA. Is nethack4 a good choice? Any good guides for noobs? Seems to have a lot more depth than a lot of other rls

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>>179688675
It honestly depends entirely on the start, squishier starts without a strong attack might be better off just avoiding him, but otherwise you can definitely take him out and get a nice xp boost. It's all about feeling out the situation, and it takes time and experience to develop that intuition, newer players will probably get fucked over if they can't read the situation.

>>179682135
Disabling color effects make it look a lot better, however that option is fucked on windows and pender doesn't give a shit.
>>179696315
>Seems to have a lot more depth than a lot of other rls
Lmao no
Nethack4 is good, plenty of beginner guides on wiki and wherever tf else

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>>179658073
He doesn't come here anymore, none of the people that talk to him do. Hell, I pass by once a day and barely post anymore too. Combine that with the fact there's no way to contact him directly and nobody really cares about mumo, he'll never know anything happened.

Kill yourself.

Later.

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I won a 4 rune octopode. Was aiming for a 3 rune but I cleared Slime in the hope of finding Spellforged Servitor to fight OoFs. Didn't find it, but I got very lucky with +Int rings, so I learned Glaciate instead which worked even better.

>>179696241
I recall playing vanilla. Citizens and other such folks could visit you if you had a maid or some other NPC which allowed them visits. Otherwise it could be only your own potential party members or allies that could be at the location. Maybe it changed in Elona+ but not necessarily.

I hope to replay the game but there's no good, small music pack, only huge packs.

>>179702110
Servitor is a trash spell.

>>179702782
It's only trash if you have trash spells castable. It wrecks OoFs if all it knows is LCS or Iron Shot. Best damage/MP of any spell.

>>179702667
I find myself killing the music and just listening to stuff in the background but what I mean is.

>talk to maid and tell her to let in my backlog of 9 or so visitors
>she's like OK
>They train, lewd, trade and talk with me, basically do everything they're supposed to do
>I leave and come back a month later and sal the salesman and those other eight fucking bums I let into my home happily greet me and proceed to continue fucking about
>too afraid to let anyone else into my home

Is this a bug or what? Seriously they won't fucking leave and if there's a button or command or anything I can use to get people to fuck off I'd love it. I play on loss mode that means permadeath and allow myself a backup save each ingame year, so if I die twice a year I'm boned. I'm low level and can't hope to kill these guild trainers, so if I'm just pants on head retarded overlooking a button that happens to be the equivalent of get the fuck out then someone please tell my dumb ass.

>>179702110
Stone form wrecks them even harder

>>179703553
Nah.

>>179704475
It got nerfed a few months back.

>>179704475
What do you mean 'nah'?

>>179704612
You mean when forms got changed to a flat damage bonus instead of hyperscaling?
It doesn't actually make much difference unless you have obscene attributes.

>>179704642
I mean statue form is not as good as glaciate is at killing orbs of fire.

>>179704809
How come i was 1shotting orbs then in statue form?

Are there any roguelikes that have some cool lore or maybe even story?

>>179704901
That has more to do with you having very high strength and weapon skill than statue form desu.

>>179705316
OWH's story is nice.
IA.

So, the winrate for everybody in crawl increased by 29% but the winrate for relative newbies winrate increased by 37%. People with +10 wins have been slacking.

>>179706154
I suppose, i did have like +20 extra str from rings but still and was uc but still, statue form has a damage multiplier of 1.25 so its pretty nice to use

>>179706335
You would do considerably more damage with blade hands though.

>>179706420
I cant risk going into zot with 8 ac and 38 ev or so..

>>179706451
You use it to kill orbs and aliches.

>>179706527
I just used statue form for everything after i learned it in slime, i dont think i used blade hands once the run i played

>>179706662
Its damage per turn is significantly higher than statue forms against single targets. Second to dragon form for HUGE DAMAGE.

>>179706753
I did use dragon form on popcorn stuff to see what sort of damage i can do, i usually did from 4 to 6 !'s of damage to almost anyone i hit, pretty much the same as in the statue form, maybe going 3 to 5 usually but youre right, i forgot statue form does suffer from delayed attacks
And as i said earlier, i was just scared using anything else other than statue form once i got it, i just wanted to finish that run..

>>179706989
Like I said, you use it purely to make something alive or unliving and make them them not. In the time it takes for statue form to swing 3 times (and misses suck WAY more if you're a statue), BH or dragon will have outright killed the foo. Defenses be damned, sometimes you just want a guy dead.

>>179679689
>Win rate went up by 29% with this update

Not surprising seeing as there was very little change to work around.

If anything this patch is easier early thanks to better wands.

Playing nethack 3.60, is there no way to actually get an item description for stuff in my inventory?

>>179707128
I get ya, thx anon.. Im just still a bit unexperienced regarding some stuff but im learning with each win as much as i can

>>179707670
Its all good anon. Best to be overly cautious before you learn to flare a little bravado with your offensive prowess. You'll figure it out.

>>179707850
Well i do have a fair amount of wins, i would say, under my belt considering how many games i did overall and i know limitations of certain characters and what i can or cant do in a situation but sometimes i really like to be cautious and safe than playing like im playing MiBe

>>179707670
I think you learn much more from the loses. A win could may be bad when you luck out of bad situations.

>>179694550
If there's any saving grace, it's that at least one of the main devs recognizes that more tedium/""""""realism"""""" doesn't equal a good game.

>Smash a fridge into scrap metal with a pipe
>~15 noise

>Fire a glock
>226 noise
>Go deaf

>>179709824
kevin doesn't.

>>179709824

>go deaf from firing guns

Hahahaha wow, this is retarded. There's also glare if you walk towards the sun.

At the same time, where do you draw the line for realism?

>>179709784
I learn from both, dont get me wrong, but i do learn a lot from my wins as well

>>179707171
do only "pros" play in the tournament or do random plebs join too

>>179710443
There isn't a clear line. That is the craft of game design.

>>179710506
What can you learn from wins if you don't die? Or do you always test your boundaries and if you live you count that as a learning experience too?

>>179711138
Since i usually try to play new combinations/races i see how well they do in certain situations, how fast i get levels, what they can actually do with x or y items, etc..

>>179710875
Considering any 0.20 game played during t on one of the servers is counted in the stats, it takes all kinds.

>>179711138
> how can you learn when you don't die
Wow, only got out of that with 1/200 hp. Those blutterblargbeasts hit hard. Best not melee them anymore. "proceeds to do that" "wins"

Tadaa, you learned stuff.

>>179711378
forgot i'm a mibe retard sorry for wasting your time lol

have to try some other races but they all feel so useless early and i die

>>179712405
Never tried branching out to Ga?

>>179712393
*raises paw*

ummmm...

>half a bagel waiting for me in kitchen
>too lazy to get off couch and eat it

How do I decrease laziness to eat bagel? Do I need more food to do that? I don't have any maybe I've lost the game. If I sleep maybe it will regenerate my energy? Pls help.

>>179712918
Jesus, you people need help with fucking EVERYTHING. it is easy. Just download your own source code, increase your energy regeneration value, recompile yourself. Problem fixed.

>>179712918
anhedonia mutation

ctrl-q

>>179713017
>>179713179

I forgot about postin that and got up to eat a shitty cinnamon thing and I'm not sure what I ate. I'm not lazy now but I'm full and there's still half a bagel out there. How do I eat half a bagel later? My autism is bothered by the existence of half a bagel. And I don't want to eat half a bagel later. Fuggggg.

>>179626768

>tfw developing a nazi roguelike just to spite that fag from the last thread who said I couldn't

If Incursion is open source how come nobody has tried picking it up? is it too intimidating or just nobody cares?

>>179713525
bagel.delete() should work.

>>179713623
Using a 2 day old meme? that is so 2001

>>179713623
I can see a roguelike where you play a jew and get killed over and over trying to escape nazis but how would you make nazis playable?

>>179714032

I don't want to throw it away, but I don't want it to exist in it's current form or to change forms. Fuck. I should just eat it. I'M GOING CRAZY REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>179714257
Eating it is changing it's form.
Hell, by just letting it sit there it will also slowly change it's form by decomposing.
> enjoys the autistic breakdown.

>>179714201

I don't want to tell you because I actually have a really good idea and I'm scared of someone stealing it : \

Trust me it's good though, and it's not going to be an autistic /pol/tard nazi game where you run around attacking Jews.

>>179714361

I have to eat it basically because half of it is inside of me already.

>no roguelikes that allow you to have sex with procedurally generated monsters

I feel so empty inside.

>>179714201
This is actually a brilliant premise

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Some of the egos in this game are so damned rare.

>>179714579
I think there is one degenerate roguelike, I'm sure someone in this thread can tell us which

>>179710875
>>179711973
That, and many servers (like CBRO) shut off experimental branches so that people only play 0.20 or the git version during the tourney.

>>179714406
Nobody is gonna steal your game idea. Trust me, it sucks.

>>179714725
Yes there, is talking about it is banned in the roguelike discord channel. Let me look it up.

>>179714201

simple, nazis are experimenting with the occult in a castle like in wolfenstein, things go wrong and you play as a soldier in guard duty or something who just got dragged into things

think about it, you could have classes like evil nazi cult wizard, evil nazi scientist, evil SS officer, evil spy, and so on.

>>179714923
Noxico is it called. (at least that is the one explicitly called out).

>>179714954
And the Edain class, the jewish guinea pig used for the advancement of science

>>179714815

OY VEY

>>179714954
This is pretty generic and has nothing to do with nazis

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Absolutely excellent.

I died shortly after, would have saved by a blink, if I didn't have fucking BLURRY VISION and no mute pots.

>>179715231
It is the golden rule of game ideas. The more somebodies worries about how it might be stolen, and wants NDA's and shit, the less likely it is to be good. (Because only amateurs want an NDA for an idea, and amateurs usually have shit ideas).

>>179715894
Yeah, don't do slime. If you have to do slime for a 3 runer, do it last.

>>179715969

OY VEY GOYIM SHARE YOUR FUCKIN' IDEA YOU FUCKIN' GOY

>next post will be you telling me you don't want my idea, etc

>>179715871

>nothing to do with nazis

so wolfenstein has nothing to do with nazis just because the ideas are generic?

it sure beats "go for the amulet of yendor I wont even bother to rename it for my setting"

>>179716171
Euh... I already did. I said it sucks from the start. It wasn't some reverse psychology trick or something. After saying 'im not going to share my idea because you might steal it' I am convinced it is shit, and I don't care.

>>179716091
I was in swamp my man, I got blurry vision through a random malmutate and the only 2 mute pots in the game didn't get rid of it.

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I like to dig for shit that doesnt get talked about much

I found this today and I have yet to play it, but it sure looks interesting

http://www.armouredcommander.com/

>>179716396
I know you were in the swamp, I just assumed you got the bad mutation from the slime where all the cool malmutebros hang out. My bad.

>>179716392

I don't care goyim, give me yur idea goyim - I mean, I don't care. Stupid fuckin' no talent goyim. YOU GOT NO TALENT. NO TALENT SUCKAH! NO. NO. NO, I WHENT TU ART SKOOL NAZIS GET OUT!!!!!11

>>179715894
>not popping tree form and then fog
>not popping berserk and clubbing him to death
>not having summon butterfly or some other shit
>not eating mutate chunks from ugly things/shapeshifters/other shit
F A U LT

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>>179716654
Think you are confusing >>179716171 and >>179714201 with me. They are not me, im me.

>>179714201
>>179714406
How about a roguelike where you play a nazi revolutionary in a dystopian future where the jews have taken over the world (like literally right now irl), and the game is separated into "levels" which are all things like, the personal property of a wealthy jew, where your job is to break through the security and complete a series of objectives like:
>Free all the slaves held captive in the sex dungeon
>Gather evidence of secret correspondence with other bankers and Muslim oil barons and sex traffickers and conspiracies to manufacture proxy wars in the middle east
>Assassinations
>Liberating their wealth and ancient booty of historical significance
this would ramp up gradually with you having to track down secret agents in a city setting surrounding a water treatment plant before the jews can literally poison the water supply and turn virile males into transexual sissy boys and fat SJWs with low T who are impressionable and will follow the herd morality
or secret occult meetings where the jews suddenly collide with the free masons or the chinese where a hunting game is staged, and you have to infiltrate as one of the captive prey that's released into the woods, only you've already sacrificed your humanity to become a cyborg, and the scene turns into a slaughter as hidden blades unfold from your limbs and your dick transforms into a rifle
culminating with you bursting through the window to interrupt a dinner party with the richest and jewiest jews, who are literally eating christian baptised babies and sacrificing them to moloch

is that better or worse than your idea anon

>>179718006

that would work better as some sort of Deus Ex /pol/ mod rather than a roguelike

>>179718006

TLDR

>>179718395
typical jew counter-information tactics

>>179718539

True I am a Jew

>>179716571
Looks fun, thanks for posting it. Glad to see someone forked it for Linux too.

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Oh shit lads.

>>179718695
Good work my fellow NWO operative. A fat SJW here. Time to get a new color in my hair. Brb.

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This character is wonderful aside from having literally 0 (Zero) !Healing and 32% fail on a shitty 5 charge _Healing.

>>179707317
There is one nethack variant which has full item descriptions. No other variant seems to steal that feature, because the developers think touching the one variant that has it will spread cancer or something.

>>179718006
>herd morality
What's with you faggots and Nietzsche

>>179723521
islam is a pretty good example of whats wrong with it

>>179723737
IslamRL is pretty good actually.

>>179723737
You haven't read the books have you

>>179724558
It isn't about the books, it isn't even about islam. It is about using islam (which most people here I assume don't like) as a deflection away from him being a skaven (which most people here only joke about liking).

I tried NetHack years ago, was fun. But I feel like SLASH'EM is more fun - is it viable to skip vanilla and go straight to SLASH'EM if I've only ever got to Sokoban

>>179724924
you should try SLASH'EM Extended, which is even more crazy and still actively developed

>>179724996
I wanted to but it has no tileset. It bothers me not having a tileset since I'm still learning the monsters, etc.
I am going to move onto that though eventually I think. I do like the massive amount of stuff - it's a bit like PosCh in that regard I think

>>179724767
I was saying Islam is an example of what is wrong with herd morality.

IDK what the skaven part is about, is that some sort of jew joke

>>179724924
*hacks are generally not good, but Vanilla is especially bad.
SLASH'EM Extended is probably one of the worst video games ever actively developed for more than a year.

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>>179726368
>SLASH'EM Extended is probably one of the worst video games ever actively developed for more than a year.

Wrong.

>>179727852
I mean if we're going to include porn then Noxico is going to knock everything else on its ass.

daily reminder that orbs of fire are no bigger than a housecat

>>179703515
I've read around about the problem (just for you anon). I didn't find much but a mention that the guests visit when you come back home some times, tried to leave and re-enter you home repeatedly?

>>179729561
basilisks are also "very small"

>>179716571
I haven't checked updates in a couple of months, thanks for the reminder.
Tip; EVERYTHING you do is fault

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>>179673819
mfw when casting Tukimas Dance on ogres and ettins

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Any advice for a DCSS noob?

I'm not a noob to roguelikes, I've beaten like shiren DS, powder, spelunky

Feels like there's a big power jump around D10. Outside of loot RNG and stuff like stairdancing any general TIPS?. I'm trying to not 100% spoil everything cuz that's no fun

oh look, its another run where I dont use a single one of oka's gifts. What an absolute shit god

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>>179730136
>>179729561
>curse toes are literally the size of toes

>>179731661
Go to lair before orc.

>>179731661
dont tab so hard, pay attention to positioning. press x and v on things often to see what theyve got going on. know when to run and to use expendables. Always manually decide where to put exp. Get weapon min delay then fighting and defenses.

Thats enough to get you through lair at the very least

So i've recently been playing Nethack for the first time, I had a fair amount of experience in ADOM, so I'm surprised a lot of it carries over. You know how people try to do it without a guide? I want to do that. But I'm wondering what counts as a.. Guide. Like I had to look up a few things, like how the armor class system works, and how taming and altars work (extended commands pls). Have I already spoiled myself too far?

>>179732632
there are really obscure things that you will almost never certainly be able to figure out by yourself that are the difference between being able to win and being able to not win

it's generally regarded as a fruitless, futile endeavor to attempt to beat it 100% spoiler free. i mean you already looked some stuff up.

>>179731914
ok
>>179731932
got that stuff, was doing manual XP but was leveling everything equally, I'll try pumping a weapon level next run.

One time I accidentally maxed stealth for like the first 5 floors and it was actually really helpful, I was able to sneak around and opening strike shit.

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Anyone /azuredreams/ here? Is a Trained+50 and a Mirror+47 enough to blaze through floors 31-40? I'm taking along my Kewne and my Battnel, bot at around level 35.

>>179732872
Some things are just kind of.. Unexplained? I thought usually a higher AC meant better, and I was a barbarian, so when I put on more armor I noticed it was going DOWN. i wasn't sure what to do, so I thought I might as look it up. I just gotta retrieve some amulet right? I found.. Sokoban once, looks like a puzzle place. I've only ever been to the minetown and sokoban before I just kind of ran out of hp. My latest run was faltered because I saw a minotaur and went "Pff~ I have -2 AC and a cleaver! 90 hp should be easy"
>die in two turns
Im learning a fuckton just from playing the game (eg dont drink fountains, sinks, etc, the bad outweighs the good by a large margin) and my runs seemingly are starting to last longer.

>>179733179
There is about a 0.01% you'll be able to figure out a mega-important, mega-helpful game mechanic by yourself

SPOILERS I AM ABOUT TO SAY WHAT THAT THING IS BELOW IN THE SPOILER BOX

I'M WARNING YOU DO NOT LOOK AT THIS SPOILER IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED

_

_

_

_

HERE IT COMES

You'll never figure out elbereth by yourself

>>179733480
I know what that is. But that seems awfully cheaty doesnt it? It just kind of makes you immune to like everything, that's no fun

>>179731702
spacey pls

pls

>>179705316
adom has a story

>>179733548
Cheaty? There's beating the game and there isn't beating the game. It's hard enough as it is

Also you're already in spoiler territory despite your supposed desire not to be so you might as well spoil the rest of it, or play a roguelike that isnt shite

>>179733584
I'll pls when oka gives me something good

>>179723351
>one variant
i'm pretty sure i've seen them in nh4, in dyna, and in slex

>>179733756
Theres a lot of stuff to learn about, like areas, what you need to ascend, tactics and other things. That spoiler thing is just plain.. Cheating, imo. I'm sure it's possible to beat it without using such a thing.

>>179733548
Elbereth was originally a cheat code, yes.
It's also horribly tedious to use. My advice is to go along skipping it.

>>179734184
In version 360 it's no longer a cure-all though, even burned Elbereth can degrade. And you can only have one Elbereth per square.

>>179728160
>noxico developed for more than a year
doesnt it have 0 content
iirc the dev made the engine and then sat back and said "some of you anonymous fuckers on the internet better contribute some lewd writing to this porn game"
and nobody did

>>179731661
that's a lot of orc priest deaths
do you understand how smite works

>>179732632
If you actually want to win unspoiled you'll want to get a bunch of major consultations from the oracle -- some of them are things both important an unlikely to discover on your own.

>>179734682
I talked to an oracle once but she only gave minor ones. I don't mind getting minor advice, like something your friend would tell you, like a tip. I feel like as if I'm not using a guide (like oh use this character and do these things to get the best results) then I can say I did most of the work myself

>>179732632
http://www.nethack.org/docs/nh360/nethack-360-Guidebook.pdf

This comes packed with the game, so if you want a mostly spoiler-less experience (but some much needed clarification of some things), then use this.

>>179733480
Elbereth is in the fucking manual, dumbass
>>179733548
>inmune to everything
Nope, and it's worse in the last version

What roguelikes have summoning/necromancy type characters as a viable way to win.
By this I mean you could win NetHack with a bunch of pets ifyou managed to tame say a bunch of liches.
But I'm talking about like the Qu... whatever monster race from Poschengband or say summoner/necromancer from ToME4

>>179736345
ADOM has necomancers. You can even name your dudes.

It's tricky to get off the ground though. Some guy here rose an uber lich that promptly killed him when he accidentally fireballed it.

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gee billy
TWO manuals of fighting?

What does /rlg/ consider "fast" for a 3-runer and 15-runer?

How does one "go fast"?

>>179737854
>you have 130 gold pieces.

Hope you worship Gozag Anon

>>179737854
>2 books of fire and fen folios
Its a sign anon

>>179738789
With the manual of fire too. What a ridiculous shop, on d4 no less

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>Want to sacrifice at that altar, the stairs down lead to the mines
>Kill a gnome, drag him back
>"Nothing happens"
>He's already rotted apparently
YOU TEASE I WANTED A MILLION FAVOR
EVERY TIME I FIND AN ALTAR THATS ALIGNED WITH ME I LITERALLY NEVER SEE ANY ENEMIES EVER AGAIN

>>179736345
DCSS summoners, I guess.
PCB necromancers are mostly summoners, largely because trying to finger monsters with their spells is not ideal when you have mage hp
Demon if you like meme games

>>179736676
ADoM necromancers are basically wizards with a slightly better skillset. Honestly they have no real reason to ever use the necromancy skill.

>>179739242
just abuse scrolls and wands of monster summoning!

>>179733027
you're overleveled and the final boss is a cutscene so literally does not really matter at all how strong you are

10 would have been enough, basically too much

have fun roflstomping everything with your battnel's near unlimited grass-fed mp meter and OHKO mixture magic from your overpowered rod

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Going to the city would be suicide, right? Where should I go now? I already explored the 3 houses and pizza parlor to the northwest.

>>179737932
3-rune: less than 25k turns
15-rune: less than 50k turns

if you're a DD doing a real competitive speedrun then you need like less than 20k maybe less than 15k for 3-rune and less than 35k for 15-rune

in terms of time people have beaten 3 rune in less than 40 minutes and 15 rune in less than 2 hours.

>>179740858
Do you have wander spawns on? I'm guessing no since you don't have the horde indicators, but maybe you're too far away.

Probably I would try to get to the hardware store to grab some tools, then go back around to those houses on the right side of the map and try to lure out easy zombies one by one. Obviously if there's something super dangerous or a giant horde or whatever then turn back.

>the iron shot misses the X
>the iron shot misses the X
>the iron shot misses the X
>the iron shot misses the X
>the iron shot misses the X

Fine, fuck it, I'll get LCS next time.

>>179740260
*shrug* I figured i'd run some junk runs to fuse monsters for the spells. Then i ran out of monsters to fuse, so i did Barong runs trying for Roches to get some of the rarer monsters. I ended up getting a pile of sands in the process, so i figured why not put them to use. Next thing i know, i'm roflstomping everything on floors 1-13 solo. It's good for monster economy, but it gets a bit tedious to grind each floor...

It's getting to the point that i'd need more bag space to store all the Barong loot. I guess if i wanted to make it a challenge i should break out the Dark-1 and the untrained Diamond and see if i can't evo some monsters while i'm at it.

>>179742320
your spellpower is probably too low

>>179742569
Had !brill quaffed.

Shot's accuracy cap wasn't high enough.

>>179742880
well what were you trying to shoot anyway? it's kind of designed for big HP sponges like giants and dragons

>>179725949
Neonazi's, when organized behave like skaven normally.

>>179742320
doesnt lcs have worse accuracy?
use ood against dodgy shit
or just firestorm lmao

>>179743006
Pan lord.

>>179743213
He was in my grill, so no OOD. It was my understanding that LCS has better accuracy.

It doesn't matter though, faulted thanks to making a bunch of other mistakes.

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>that headshot chance
Guess no one's ever hit f with no targets in view.

>>179743870
After looking it up, LCS only has +3 more to-hit than iron shot.

Not much of an improvement, I guess.

>>179743918
I got a feeling somebody fucked up the shooting rewrite. As I hear a lot of complaints that everything is missing nowadays.

Of course, from what I saw of the PR, they made shooting code now so complex, normal coders can't touch it. ("It is simple, shooting skill is now on a inverse squared log scale, and you take the imaginary number of the distance, calculate the planetary alignments of the players and targets birth, etc").

>>179743147
Isn't that just you eating a different flavor of shit? Where do you get your information and perceptions from? Movies shat out by Jewish media empires? Propaganda and cultural indicators on TV and in the newspapers and school system of all the things you're supposed to believe and think are politically correct?

But did you actually do any research or meet any people? Did you actually confirm any of the events that you're led to believe happened? Do you know anything other than what you're told and the pictures you're shown?

>>179744754
Yep, turns out it is indeed bugged. Kevin done goofed. https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/21244

>>179745013
> Postmodern Skaven skittering

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>>179745013
How do you really know the people you talk to on the Internet are actual people and not hired disinformation agents for the Jewish media empires? How do I know you're not one of them trying to break my cover for liquidation?

How do you know the Internet as we know it (a free space for discourse) "really" exists? After all, you can't see it or touch it. Do you really expect Tim ((Berners))-Lee to tell the truth? Do you really expect the CEOs of Google, Microsoft, Apple, and various ISPs to tell you the truth? Who's the sheep here, me or you?

not fucking roguelikes retardo

>>179746648
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
— Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7. Activity recorded M.Y. 2302.22467. (TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED)

Is a DsNe worth it if I'm going to learn lich form? I ask because of the fact lich form can override some mutations and if it would be better going to another race.
I'm not going for 15 runes. I'm going to see how far I can do extended.

>>179747162
Most of your mutations are actually not overrided in lich form

You get all the important ones and most of the basic effects sustained.

>>179720860
Damn I remember somebody saying the odds of that spawning are astronomically low. You better win.

>>179747965
I don't play that RL, what is the cool drop I should bee looking for.

>>179746648
One thing we can all agree on is that only Ashkenazi Jews have the mental fortitude needed to develop a roguelike game. Goys are just not capable, so they are forever dependent on their betters to produce the roguelike games they play.

>>179749320
No, a Jew would never develop something for free. Is Biskup a Jew? What about Darkgod? The CoQ dev?

Unless they develop roguelikes solely to decrease white birth rates! Oh no, everyone check your sperm counts! These alphabet games might be making us infertile!

>>179745013
>>179746648
>>179749320
>>179750339
underage

Now I'm wondering, has there ever been a RL that does lovecraftian horror right? So not the 'you hit the cthulhu, you kill the cthulhu, you hit the second cthulhu'. But the whole lovecraftian stick where interacting with elder gods leads to madness, and just seeing them can be bad for you.

>>179750473
>m-muh social contract
>get a job you kids
why do the jews get 90% of the benifit from your labor goyim?

>>179747162
>Starting as necromancer because lichform
this is a dumb plan and you do not understand the point of background choice
almost as dumb as the people who used to start as DD^Ar for pakellas instead of just being Fi/Gl
the Ne starting book does not have necromutation in it, and your staring book does not affect which level 8 spells you can cast lategame anyways. Might as well pick a better starting book like ice or fire. if you want guaranteed necromut, worship Sif or Kiku.

>>179751938
Okey, you seem to be missing the obvious social queues here. Nobody is interacting with you because they want to have this conversation (that is why you have to make up bullshit strawmen greentexts about what people didn't say). Could you stop? People already mentioned before that this isn't related to roguelikes. go back to your containment board

>>179748720
amulet of
>prevents summoning
note that this means ENEMY summon spells, not the player's

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>>179752728
I count two fatal mistakes in your post anon:
>feeds anon with the (you)s he desperately wants instead of just ignoring him
>misspells cues as "queues"

>>179752815
OOOOOO that is cool.

>>179753018
english isn't my first language.

>>179731661
>OgNe

>>179750339
>implying Biskup and DG aren't jews

>>179752728
>following social ques
get a load of this fucking casual

>>179731661
If you're going in unspoiled, then "x" should be your best friend. Whenever you come across something new, use x to examine it. You can move through enemies with x= and move through items on the floor with x' (that's x apostrophe).

If you do that, then you'll likely be safer. Orc Priests, for instance, have their "Smiting" ability shown in the examine screen, where it's clear that it deals damage as long as the enemy can see you (well, to semi-spoil: they can't smite you behind clear walls, but it's unlikely you'll make too much use of that fact).

Beyond that, just be aware of your movement and the noise you make. Try not to walk into unknown areas if enemies are chasing you, since those new areas can be filled with more dangerous stuff. The player's line of sight is very important; it's worth knowing/remembering that enemies will (in general) just be asleep if no noise has been made on the level. If noise has been made (loud enough to wake them), then they'll just be wandering around. Any turns any enemy spends in your LOS, they might notice you (if your stealth score is low).

Other tips:

* Wizards are terrible and noob-bait. The Book of Minor Magic has maybe one or two decent spells, but it's designed to be oriented around the player running away. For the time being, since you're new, play any other mage background except Wizard.

* This is arguably more relevant for melee-ish combos, but do try to pick up the random missiles and launchers that you see. A hand crossbow deals a respectable amount of damage from range, which a melee character simply might not have. In the same sense, especially in 0.20, you shouldn't ignore wands: with just a little bit of Evocations training, they're quite good.

>>179756189
magic dart is the best level 1 spell, fight me

whos the fucking FAGGOT named penus leaving fucking bullshit fag ass ghosts fucking everywhere fucking nigger

>>179757035
the air level 1 spell is better, bounces and penetrates

>>179757794
yeah but it misses like 80% of the time

>>179758301
uhh no?
retart...

>midway thru game I re-arrange spells to be "more efficient"
>go to hit what used to be an offensive spell and is now blink and fucking die

every time

>>179760996
Take a look at a common rcfile and use that to set default keybinds. Borg and ddoor on X instead of a lowecase letter are notable settings.

>>179752815
It actually prevents the player's summons also

but that doesn't matter a bit, wear that mofo until endgame baby

>>179760996
>not binding OoD to f1, blink to f2, C.Blink to f3, PoG to f4, and apport to f5 every single game

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>>179752676
Is Necromutation even as good as it used to be?

It hasn't really changed at all, but the game has changed around it.

>can't sublimate chunks
>mutation system reworked
>no more Sif channeling

>>179763850
you forgot to mention
>no wand or spell of haste
>no amulet of clarity