/stsg/ - Starsector General

First for Onslaught is mah waifu

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>>176252506
2nd for high tech Condor

shit OP image

>>176252596
Why would anyone make a high tech version of a converted ship?

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wat do

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>>176252703
Why not?

>>176252643
Animefags will do anything to find an excuse to talk about their show

>>176252596
That's actually pretty sexy. Apogee-style.

>>176252753
Run fool

>>176252821
Its pretty decent sf show.
Sad things is that there is nothing comparable on West and non anime.

>>176252753
you don't have the guns to take them one on one. fuck far off and see if the wolves follow you, take them out and retreat.

>>176252753
Probably too late to phase-skim backwards, eh?

Die with dignity.

>Diable update
>wanzers are finally good
>still tempted to drop them and just use sparks
When you've witnessed perfection, it's hard to be impressed by anything less.

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>tfw no scy

>>176253660
that's just someone squatting what the fuck

>>176253660
Why does it get a light bulge when it activates?

>>176253752
Dammit now i can't unsee.

>>176251846
but i gotta know what that hullmod does

i SINCERELY hope it's not a mission-only ship

>>176253660
>activate burn drive
>extra thruster descends

>Nexerelin
>condor.fs not found
Anyone else?

test

>The following rules are followed when loading a mod's version of a core file:

>If the key is not present in the master version, add it and everything under it
>If the key is present in the master version:
>If the valu is a string or a primitive, replace it with the new value


ok, if this is correct, if I write a new market file, and copypaste the contents of an existing planet and modify them to assign it to a different faction, the game would then replace the original data with the mod data?

Apparently 4chan thinks you can load jaavescript or some shit by putting code on a post

>>176255861

Post the end of Starfarer.log so we can have more of a clue.

>>176256056
You can, and it's been done before

>>176253556
Sparks are always the best fighters hands down. This doesn't change.

I'm still trying to figure out what good Emergency Burn and Going Dark do anymore. Going Dark doesn't help at all when you can just sustain burn straight past a fleet, it doesn't help you catch a running fleet, it just turns off the transponder and makes people hate you. E-Burn is supposed to make it easier to run and catch shit except the enemy AI can E-Burn infinitely and you can't so they'll always be able to out E-burn you unless you lure them into a trap

>>176256191
the java thing?

at least they could say it instead of sending connection error and making me think my internet derped

I fucking hate their iron curtain

So, if I do this, and add the corresponding java file to make it understand it's a mod, the game would load the corvus system json, the load this json and make asharu change owner

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>>176256557
forgot pic, derp herp

>>176226906
ok anon, already finished the tutorial, I think. Im on another system now, without knowing what to do. I sold everything except my wolf frigate
*teleports behind you*
there is no small tanker here to buy, so I guess I will do all the sensor package missions I can find on this ship, avoiding combat and all that.
still trying to navigate with the system / galaxy map, trying to locate stations and all that. also, Im pretty bad at piloting (I didnt like at all SPAZ control, feels bad af for me). but mb its me being bad.

also, trying to figure how much supplies, fuel, crew I need and managing that properly

>>176256094
https://pastebin.com/LtTN8QuD
Here ya go
Thanks in advance matey

>>176256373
Going Dark is good for ambushes and smuggling. It's a solid way to get in between patrols to trade on the black market.

>>176256792
Wolves are some of the most useless ships to have.

>>176256373
>in heavy AI system
>go dark in belt
>even with multiple capitals watch as your detection radius is something like 100

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>>176257000
b-but muh blink!

then what starter ship is good/decent enough? like I said, I cant get a small tanker to do the sensor package missions. what should I get for those? and after I got a bit of bank/money?

my plan was to get a small fleet based on frigates + maybe some badass cruiser just to get arround the game, trying to figure shit.

remember, i-is my first r-run ever

>>176256826


???

Looks like you are using Nexelerin for Starsector 0.72a and tried to load it on Starsector 0.80a.

condor.fs doesn't exist in 0.80a

>>176257852
The beginning is difficult literally because the ships suck. It's why the Survey opening is ridiculous easy mode because you just need 6 skill points and suddenly you can get 200k returns from a Class V survey.

PSA increase your non-flux speed from 50 to 100

It actually improves combat a ton - you can run enemy ships down and outmaneuver anyone who gets caught up in a fight. Everyone slows back down to normal combat speeds the moment they throw up their shields, it all works out.

>>176257990
Yep I definitely did, thanks

Am I missing or something or are flash bombers just terrible?

>>176258260
No point. Sparks overwhelm Flashes.

q: what the hell is a jar file and how do I use it

>>176258674
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAR_(file_format)

the only one you need to use is in the root folder for the game, usually under programfiles(x86)/fractal software

>>176258821
I mean, how do I use it for a mod.

>>176258964
oh, i have no idea, i thought you were just trying to apply the crack from last thread or something

>>176259196
I'm making a test mod to see if I can make shit work


I have no idea what I need to do to make the mod appear on the game modlist, and only two things I see in other mods that I haven't made yet are the jar file and the .version file.

>>176258025
s-slow down senpai. which 6 skill points, Navigation and Helmsmanship? class V survey? is that some type of missions?

Im trying to figure if I can check from the sector map systems with stations and missions, to find the survey type of missions. I didnt find any type of mission agent finder (like the one on EVE) so I will just check a system with 2 Hegemony stations to see whats up there.

>>176259479
don't listen to that buttmaster

put on the intel tab and look for bounties. check the systme bounties, and start hunting pirates. then worry about bigger deals.

the dude wants you to powergame the big missions

>>176259479
put 3 points into industry and then 3 points into the survey skill. always keep a surplus of crew and supplies and heavy machinery on hand so you can get class IV/V surveys for mad dosh

ESPECIALLY terran worlds. always always always survey terran worlds

>>176259602
well, I want to get some good money just to get a decent bank to affor my incoming fucked ups (1st run ever remember), thats why I want to get this "op survey opening" to get 100k or so. I guess that will be a decent amount of money to start with

>>176259479
Industry builds separately from Bounties. If you're going for a Survey start you need 3 Industry 3 Surveying and then suddenly you just need to build up a stock of heavy machinery, crew, and supplies and you can target water worlds, terran worlds, arid worlds and volcanic worlds for higher surveys. Class IVs sell for around 40 - 50k and class V sells for like 200k.

If you're going bounty to start preferably stick to a single ship, because more ships make it painfully hard to make bounties worth it. If you're not running Starsector+ it's even worse because all bounties are in external systems, which means large fleets generally burn fuel just trying to get there.

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it's alive

>>176260412
capturame esta.

no homo

>>176260523
ayy que chico cool

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That was pretty close

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Goddammit

>>176259468

Mods are recognized by mod_info.json

JARS are Java compiled code. Can be assessed by open with winrar or recompiled using a IDE(A program used to program more codes). I recommend Eclipse Neon Java to mess around with the JARs. Winrar is simple. but too simple to do any serious tinkering with. You need a src folder to recompile any mods though.

>>176257000
What the fuck are you smoking? Wolves are amazing when piloted by both the AI and player. The AI actually knows how to properly phase skim so they phase in, unleash their payload, and phase out before the enemy can do shit. In fleet engagements they're still useful due to the medium energy mount.

>>176260613
>>176260765
>tfw you are a tiraflechas for sure
feels bad

How many extra skill points should I give a character heavily invested in military to make up for the fact that they're invested in an underpowered tree?

>>176260909
Wolves are ok in their own weight class. They're completely pointless outside of their weight class. You're pretty much never going to scratch a Mora, and good luck fighting Dominators or Onslaughts.

>>176261079
0. Military tree works fine. It just takes longer and more skill to get to the same point as the Industry tree.

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Aaaaand the proof of concept is done.

Next step: Make a new faction and give Jangala to it.

Step 2 will be replacing the spawn points and giving them to the new faction

>>176261079
set levelcap to 100 in settings.json

>>176261358
>Military tree works fine, it just takes more points to be as good as X tree
That doesn't sound very fine to me. Military's confirmed being buffed anyway.

>>176261179
thats dumb reasoning, as not much is ever going to scratch a Mora in the first place.

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>Convince steam friend to play
>He says the game is too easy
>Convince him to try Starsector +
>Says it's still just as easy
>Probe him for more information
>This fucker plays on ironman but alt+f4's every time he loses a ship or gets into a fight that's too big for him to win without losses

>>176261498
Wasn't it just Industry getting nerfed to hell?

>>176261079
military is if you want to solo fleets and pull crazy stuff like sending one ship at a time then changing hands when CR runs out

completely different play forms

>>176261629
What's there to nerf about it? Most of the tree is literally nothing but free money.

I've checked every market in this fucking sector and no-one is selling the front-shield emitter modspec.
I just want to get rid of these shitty omni-shields and replace them with an actually good, wide front-shield but no-one fucking sells them!

>>176261775
Omni-shield isn't all bad. If you're fighting an astral with squall+daggers or a conquest with squall+MIRV you can angle the shield specifically so that the kinetic missiles get through and the HE missiles don't. I'm pretty sure the AI isn't smart enough to do that though.

>>176261770
Easy to just nerf it by making the cost of supplies higher like 100 or 200 per run and reducing the value of surveys like Class V's down to 50k from 200k, Make salvage more dangerous by making you lose crew if the salvage ships explode, or make D-mods even worse. Lots of shit that can be nerfed to make Military more appealing.

>>176261963
omni-shield isn't bad, it's just that the player will never be as good as the AI with it. Managing weapons and ship control is usually the limit of most people, and you would have to sacrifice efficient control over those aspects to actually control the omni-shield.

>>176262181
I just want a 360 front-shield. You can kit them out on some ships with a clever combination of front-shield emitter and extended shields.

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>>176261775
>front shield
>not using omni-shield
>not firing from your broadside
>HARDPOINTS

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sheeeeit this just rushing into survey missions is easy as fuck, traveling aint as hard as I thougth, just managing fuel/supplies and crazy profit

Where do you guys find actually good derelict ships? Best I have found so far has been large tankers and a sunder, and that one only because it had some nice weapons

>>176262681
ive never found a good derelict, besides an astral that i didn't get the option to salvage out near a black hole

Omni-shield is fundamentally shit for players because you control the shield with the same thing that controls your weapons. Front Shield Emitter should be 0 OP and included form the start specifically because it's literally a handicap for the player.

>>176262103
>Easy to just nerf it by making the cost of supplies higher like 100 or 200 per run and reducing the value of surveys like Class V's down to 50k from 200k, Make salvage more dangerous by making you lose crew if the salvage ships explode, or make D-mods even worse. Lots of shit that can be nerfed to make Military more appealing.

You won't make surveying more interesting by nerfing it into the ground. People do it because it's easy money, but that's not strictly a bad thing. The problem is there's not much actual gameplay involved.

The Neutrino Hammership might just be the single greatest thing in this entire game.

>>176262681
Blow the fleets up yourself. Otherwise in the vanilla game open hostilities don't mean that they'll actually invade each other, so you don't get large fleets fighting one another and will probably find pirate salvage for the most part, which aren't good ships all the time

>>176261775
go find research stations and loot the fuck out of them

>>176252506
>Browsing Hedgemony reserves
>Notice I have just enough rep and credits to buy an Onslaught
>Haven't used a capital ship yet
>Buy it and try it out
>Rev up booster and dive into enemy fleet
>Delete everything that didn't immediately get out of the way
>That satisfying laser canon thud thud thud thud
Well that's something else.

>>176263397
Yep, that's what an Onslaught does. It's nice that it's one of the Capitals that you can get easy even without Hegemony rep

Do stations respawn and remnants respawn?

>>176261608
too ez, it should delete your save if you alt+f4

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>>176260696
>23

>>176262389
ORA is probably the best mod when it comes to broadsides

>>176264951
>tfw broadside hullmod
so good

words that end with

voltr"e" --- voltr"eans"
salar"ia" --- salar"ians"
ku"sh" --- ku"shans"
jangal"a" --- jangal"ans"
ashar"u" --- ashar"??s"

>>176262790
It'd be nice if going into low orbit after you survey a planet you could get something out of it, like a colony or something, but that would only make Industry an even more lucrative option

>>176265274
asharites

>>176265401
I would strongly argue that the player not be able to actually start colonies

maybe financing an orbital station or some industry, but not outright entire colonies. thats going a bit ahead of what the game is imo

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You faggots don't even know the meaning of ship superiority.

>>176265836
and approlight doesn't know the meaning of being updated

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>>176265836
but I know the meaning of the ultimate boipuccisuperority

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>>176265836
AOE titan doomsdays when????

>>176266658
Will there ever be an up to date eve mod lol

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>>176266658
>ywn be back on the early days of EVE online

>>176260412
what reworks you doing m8

Will the Gachimuchi mod ever be brought over to .8? Or is it doomed to be forgotten?

>>176267256
>gachimuchi mod
i only got the game recently and i absolutely need this

>>176267526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf3TkVBI6Xg

>>176266881
the only good eve mod for a game i ever played was the remake of the sins of a solar empire one lol

eve ships in this game would be kinda cool - megathron lmao

>>176266938
CCP updated and modernized just about everything else in the game except the combat systems and it's really showing at this point

I'd like to play eve again, but the combat is boring as all fuck, I can't stand it. Combat's risky, super expensive especially for noobs, and 99% of the time pre-determined by your loadout or how many buddies you brought, rather than anything you actually DO. So because of all that, everyone avoids combat as much as possible which means hunting for content for 2-4 hours for a single fight that probably won't even be any good because it'll be so lopsided due to loadouts/numbers you can literally just f1 and orbit to win, and it sure as fuck won't be very profitable even if you do win a fight.

I've been waiting for half a decade on combat being made fun and it doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon, in spite of eve numbers continuing to plummet.

Of course, I know a combat revamp will never happen specifically because it's so embedded in the code and the current playerbase would throw an autistic hissyfit at change

I won't get an eve online I actually like to play until they do eve 2.0 as a completely new game

how do I personalize faciton dialogue? greetings and the such

>>176266940
I don't think indies should be a faction given their lore, so i'm reworking them entirely and splitting them all into their own factions with relationships and fleet compositions altered to fit their description and size. a planet that numbers in the thousands may not be able to have 10% of it's population maintaing a capital tier fleet

If this is good and doesn't rape the game with RAM or some shit, then I will see if I can mantain the lore bits that claim that indies share data between themselves so there's indirect rep changes with the whole if you harm an indie, but i'm certain that requires the 8.1 script fix.

the extentions parts are a tentative name for a POSSIBLE IDEA about features: systems for notoriety (unknown - famous) and for reputation (despicable - neutral - admirable), the former, as you do crazier shit and get bigger fleets, you become more famous and people keep their eyes on you, and the latter, depending on whether you are selfless or a real piece of shit, many factions may treat you better or worse, going as far as to becoming a sector war hero or public enemy n° 1.

But that will require some skill on my part which i don't have, so I will keep to the reworks part.

>>176268091
did the goons ever god into their interstellar conquest campaign or all action the game ever saw is still limited to that one accidental battle

Are bigger phase ships any good?

>>176268091
well, the combat was always "bad". the thing is people back in the day played more for fun, and a looooot of stuff wasnt even know, the meta, the fits, etc.

playerbase evolved, into a totally carebear style. and its just human nature: you will always risk the less possible to get the best/more you can. and with time people figure it all: optimal and efficient non risky ways to win money, and from there, stagnation.

the problem always was the unblanced economy regarding that: the risk-reward. because humans dont fight between them if there is infinity of resources. fighting is always the consquency of limited resources. and with no need, the only reason to fight is ego/fun aka the one who can abuse(because unlimited resources) more

>>176268902
Goons were responsible for a whole shitton of the 'action' the game saw, which was still just limited to following a lead ship while your drake fired missiles at the enemy for 99% of their playerbase.

>>176269109
shadowyards phase cruiser is incredible

>>176260921
iberoitalian moor master race

What exactly are the changes made in SS+? The forum post is vague as shit.

>>176269446
but Im iberian 100% and I like italy a lot white with green eyes 1488master race

>tfw can't use antimatter+unstable injector without being inside the blast range of everything I kill

>>176269175
The problem is multi-fold and I can't even hope to encompass all of it in this post but basically:

1. Shit is too expensive for casual combat for 99% of the playerbase, so they only fight when they're forced to fight.

2. Mineral and material wealth might as well be virtually unlimited at the upper end of the playerbase. There is no such thing as winning a war in eve because you can never actually deplete anything the enemy has. There's virtually no reason to fight in the first place because nobody needs or is locked out of any particular resources.

3. The ONLY limited resource for alliances is the amount of territory and players they control, but there aren't enough players to actually make nullsec ownership competitive. You could probably quadruple eve's playerbase and still not have serious nullsec competition over territory.

Eve needs to simultaneously make resources more scarce while making ships less expensive and do so without fucking up combat balance costs. The stuff that needs to be incredibly expensive are the logistic/metagame parts of the game - space stations, corporation upkeep, etc. basically anything that a corporation or alliance is eyeballing as something to buy, needs to be stupidly expensive like that one autismstation ccp added. Meanwhile everything for the average pleb needs to be stupidly inexpensive so even a complete moron can fuck up and lose 50 ships in a month and not feel like he's hard pressed for cash.

Basically, the big groups need to have something high-risk to actually fight each other over, and the individuals need to have a very low-risk lifestyle in the game that encourages actual conflict and fun without screwing them financially. Part of undoing the current carebear style stigma so many players have against combat would be helped by just dropping frigate costs by an order of magnitude across the board while also adding an in-game dueling/tournament/arena system for pubbies to get some low-risk experience with.

>>176270540
I totally agree. I always said it, the fix is easy as fuck:
>nerf 90% of the isk income you can produce in high sec
>nerf 85% of the isk income you can produce in low sec
>nerf 80% of the isk income you can produce in null/wh
voila. for extra fun:
>make some parts of low sec more rich (x2, x3, x5) than the average low sec one, with massive npc pressence, events, escalations and shit.
>make some parts of null/wh more rich (x2, x3, x5) than the average null/wh one, with massive npc pressence, events, escalations and shit.

that way they will fix the economy/reason to fight by limited resources, making figths real for survival. and also pumping some new somehow amazing pve - pvp action

but they will never do that, its to late. the economy is totally broken, and they, CCP as company, are broke as fuck, always on that edge. they prefer to keep bleeding bit by bit, than a radical change for good. to risky for them, better just keeping squeezing that dead body than wasting resources and effort trying to reanimate the dead carcass

>tfw 2 sensor package missions on the same system
so another 150k, already on 500k. and I dont even have the survey talents, because I put them on the combat tree thinking that reset button was actually for a total reset, but no ;_;

I guess I will stop now and start playing the actual game.

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>when u 2 shot a conquest

remove sindikat kebab

>>176271394
It didn't help that they for some reason decided to put dust on the fucking PS3 at the end of the console's life cycle.
Dust could have been an actual Planetside competitor especially now after how SOE fucked it up so much, but no "We would rather have a small new audience with no investment in eve than a big audience that's already passionate about the universe."

PS3 exclusive was near an EA tier terrible decision on CCP's part.

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I'm really bad at making load outs so I just have a bunch of carriers that auto kill everything for me

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I'm just going to leave this here.

>>176270540
thats basically the problem with all mature mmos tho.
The hardcore guys have spent so much more time than the casuals playing that they have accrued so much more gear and money. And of course new content always adds more power creep.
The difference is several orders of magnitude for a mature mmo. you can throw casuals shitty freebies forever but in the end they cant ever beat a hardcore player

>>176260034
fuel is pretty cheap tho, and you pick up a lot on the way usually, but supplies arent
however survey is useless after you get a few hundred k

>>176261775
>getting rid of base shields
but you cant right?

>>176272751
Too much dialogue.

Are converted hangars worth it?

>>176270540
>>176271394
Nulsec is too big for the current population. There's also a lot of trash nulsec systems that shouldn't even exist. I did a lot of solo exploration in my time in eve, all of it in nulsec. 90% of the time I'd be utterly alone, 5% of the time I'd be in system with an afk or a bot sitting in a pos. People don't fight because everyone has more territory than they know what to do with, and startups can't compete with the big boys because of sov mechanics and the eternal hugbox. Lack of conflict in nulsec means people try to get their jollies elsewhere, and larger fleets spill over into lowsec to try and find fun ruining it for the small groups and solo pvpers in lowsec.

Game needs to be bloodier and make hugboxing a handicap rather than a benefit.

>>176269175
>tfw they banned the isk-casinos

it was the most fun i had in that game, playing something else

>>176275029
Isk casinos funded sansha slave trafficking and blood raider terrorism.

>>176269903
changes from what, the previous version or from the base game?

>>176274338
Depends on the ship and what LPCs you have available. I think a Falcon with a wing of luxes or sparks is good, using talons instead could work fine and would let you save a few OPs.

>>176274338
They're good for point defense on large ships that can spare the OP.

>>176273353
By the time you get the few hundred k in cash from surveys you can pretty much deck out whatever fleet you want in early game. It's just a pity that it's not like Military really has enough skills to warrant focusing points on. Leadership and Tech still has better alternatives.

>>176274338
Sparks are so amazingly powerful that if you run a full fleet of them you can pretty much tear open an enemy long before they get close. It's not like the Tier 3 Remnant fleets are that hard either.

>>176278808
Here's hoping they get either much rarer or not lootable at all in 0.8.1

There has go to be a better way to command carriers. I feel like I have almost no control over what they do.
Frigate flying around being an annoying fuck?
Carrier assigns their fighters to escort me instead of hunting it down
Tell carrier to eliminate a specific target? They send their fighters to do something else while they personally go to try to duel the ship.

Most of the time carriers manage just fine but sometimes they go pantsu on head retarded and you can't really do anything about it other than take control yourself

Best officer personality for carriers?

>>176280635
it's the only role where cautious or timid has benefits

I usually try to make sure my officers are stable or aggressive, though

>>176280635
aggressive

>>176280635
Everyone should have aggressive, at staffmeetings everyone is yelling at each other and everyone is grumpy, but they're effective at their job

Will this game be on Steam?

>>176280953
"When it's done."

>>176280953
sure

>>176280865
>not having only reckless officers and a massive supply of recreational drugs on board

>>176280456

This is where the fighters tethering to carriers fails, imo. In 0.72, they can be independently assigned tasks, massed at an area, or zerg rush enemy carriers. Now, they can't be selected.

>>176280456
>>176281473
There is a bug (fixed in 0.8.1) that made the Carriers behave like normal ships instead of, well, carriers.

>>176281562
Is this confirmed? No wonder my Condors keep trying to knife fight cruisers.

>>176281473
We just need more fighter based commands. It would go well with the leadership tree being all carrier buffs and command points shit

>>176281728
The -50% supply use should be a indus-tree skill

>>176281798
Industry already gets a maintenance reduction on all their D-ships

>>176281862
it just feels like a skill that should be industry.

You can't just reduce the need for spare parts by half because of logistical wizardry

>>176282212
Well supplies has never really made that much sense to begin with. You have a supply cost just to enter the battle, a supply cost exiting the battle and a supply cost whenever you're not in battle.

The whole supply cost to enter a battle thing just makes non bounty battles pretty much worthless

>>176281562
Thats interesting, I noticed earlier that when I had only a condor it would stay at range, but when I upgraded from that to heavier stuff they would attempt to get close

>>176282506
>The whole supply cost to enter a battle thing just makes non bounty battles pretty much worthless
t. I have to deploy 3 Paragons in every fight

>>176283087
Well battles never giving back enough supplies makes things pretty pointless. Most of the early battles in vanilla are literally just spend 30 supplies to get 15 supplies back and a vulcan gun along with stacks of metal that won't buy you even 10 supply.

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>>176283230
>not selling your metal at Coatl

any tips or guides for new players? this game looks complicated

Why are there no high stability hegemony markets?

>>176283337
I just don't bother looting metal at all anymore. Core farming is more profitable than resource farming through battles

>>176283429
of course, metal always gets dumped first

I have the annoying tendency if keeping all the food I find in case there is starvation event nearby

I guess what mom said about not wasting food stuck with me

>>176283378
with .8 starting off is probably the easiest it's ever been since the tutorial basically handholds you to the point where you'll have an ok fleet, and there's now a build literally fit for an early player to get quick cash relatively safely

>>176283230
That's why (D) ships exist.

>>176283627
It doesn't handhold you that much though, new players are constantly losing in the tutorial.

>>176283987
They're probably losing because the combined fleet of the miners can overwhelm the fleet of (D) that the tutorial gives you, but that just amounts to battle experience more than anything. It's possible for a fitted Wolf to take out all of the tutorial's enemy groups after enough experience

So what can I do in this game exactly? Can I join a faction and things like that? Is there a list of in game features i can look at?

>>176284536
Pretty much the game sums up to:
>Build a fleet
>Join a faction through commissions
>Build a bigger fleet
>Nuke fleets from pirates or other factions if you have a commission.

Comissions are a scam

get cozy with the independent and rely on black markets and salvage for ships

>>176284825
the credit bonus for taking out hostiles for your faction feels shitty, more perks need to come with commissions

>>176284883
I'm hoping later on you can make bases for your faction

>>176284949
I believe thats the end goal, I wouldn't mind if there was temp commissions like them asking you to patrol the system for a month or 2, at the end they give you a bonus and chance to buy some of the middle tier stuff of their faction.

>>176284949
>>176285109
The end goal is literally Mount & Blade in space.

>>176283230
Supply should never really be an issue. Enemy fleets will generally drop their entire deployment worth in supplies, plus some more on top of that with post-battle debris. Add on the fact that enemy fleets are typically bogged down with tons of frigates, and frigates sucking in general, and it's very easy to go net positive in terms of supply even with non-Derelict ships.

If you're actually having supply issues then your fleet comp is probably bad. Namely, you're probably running frigates when you could be running something useful instead.

>>176285318
>frigates
>bad

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>>176285421
Sorry, what was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of frigates exploding every time one of my AI Conquest's 40 MIRVs launches.

Also Frigates themselves aren't bad. It's AI frigates that are bad.

>>176285702
I find them to be very hard to aim, though, but that has more to do with me being bad than the frigates being bad

>>176284825
At the moment commissions are for nothing but easy access to specific ships and RP purposes, and even then that's mostly for the mods where there isn't an independent prism freeport to sell mod ships.

>>176285318
Pretty sure this isn't true. I've fought Mora fleets before that only dropped 20 - 30 supply afterwards.

>>176285702
>blows up lashers with a capital
>lmao frigates bad

Put a high level officer in a Tempest and watch it wreck face

>>176286187
There's a mathematical limit to how much a single ship can contribute to a battle and a frigate, no matter how premium, is not going to outvalue the payoffs that a capital (or carrier) with that same pilot is going to offer.

Besides, 6.5 tempests may be reasonable force, but I seriously doubt they could have killed two dominators and several destroyers before CR became an issue, no matter how efficiently they dispatched the enemy frigates.

tl;dr, why wouldn't I kill lashers with a capital when that capital is already useful for killing everything else on top of the lashers?

>>176286648
Why are you comparing frigates to a capital? You know about deployment costs right?

>>176287009
Gee I wonder why I specifically chose the number 6.5 tempests for comparison.

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>mfw cant catch the bounty

>>176287117
Then you are wrong because a single Tempest can beat a Dominator and any low/mid tech Destroyer. 6.5 would have just made it easy.

>>176278740
well theres a lvl cap of 40 so you have to choose what you can take with you

>>176287009
By the time you can get a Capital, there's really nothing else really to the game. Granted, most Capitals will die one on one to the Battlestation except the Paragon or the Astral, whichever one used the super range snipe, but really all of the Capitals can pretty much facetank an entire fleet under the 100k bounty range. Above that you risk occasionally running into Onslaught fleets, which combined together with other fodder ships can overwhelm a lone Capital with no support.

>>176284736
>join a faction
actually you dont need to, that way you have access to all bounties and all weapons

>>176287336
If the bounty is the kind that hovers behind you, turn around so that he turns to follow you, stop, turn on sustained burn and target him directly. If he runs in a straight line sustained burn will overwhelm him maybe before he has a chance to turn. Otherwise AIs have infinite e-burn so if your burn level isn't higher than its, it'll win through attrition alone. Especially if you only have 36 supply.

>>176287569
>e burn costing supplies
looks like you didn't level up properly :^)

>>176287346
>a single Tempest can beat a Dominator and any low/mid tech destroyer
Post video please. Hell, even a simulation screenshot would suffice.

>>176285421
the only good frigates are the LP mod ones with free overrides

>>176287621
Well if you assume then everyone took the e-burn industry skill then I guess the only issue is timing your infinite e-burns properly to catch up since now both sides have infinite e-burn, except the AI can handle much better if they're relying on the game system to target lock.

>>176287569
he will turn when you sustain burn, and when i do

>>176287461
Getting to capitals is trivial. Go to a military base, do 2 or 3 missions/bounties, get commission, go to an orange beacon and kill some remnants. I had capitals before I even broke 100k bounties.

>>176287336
I'm pretty sure if you turn on sustain burn and click on a a fleet that's maintaining contact, the pathing will always catch them for you. If you try to be cute and catch them yourself the AI will sharp turn in an attempt to juke you and you'll be fucked.

>>176287915
>I'm pretty sure if you turn on sustain burn and click on a a fleet that's maintaining contact, the pathing will always catch them for you
nope

>>176287852
Everything in the game is pretty much trivial. You don't even need a commission when the Independents will sell Capitals at their military, and Eos Exodus and Askonia both guarantee military Independents.

>>176287915
It doesn't always work, no. Generally you need to time it so that the slow down from the sustain burn activating hits just as they slow down themselves, and immediately get to 18 or 20 speed pretty much before they even accelerate. I can get it to work some of the time, but the timing is fucking wack.

>>176287667
Dominator and low/mid tech destroyers get completely BTFO by the Terminator Drone.

Even in its default loadout, an AI Tempest will beat a Hammerhead or Sunder easily. Dominator too but that would take an unrealistic amount of time in a real battle.

slow down
turn on sustained burn
when enemy gets near you, wait until they "bounce" off, then you charge for them, this way they'll e-burn in a straight line and you can intercept them after a short chase

>>176288270
I've found going dark prior to the sustained burned forces the enemy to close on you to track you, that's when you punch it

>>176288397
great tactic, didn't think of the reduced sensor profile, gonna utilize this

>>176288561
You can utilize this further by being on the edge of a asteroid field or a debris field and being completely still. That way, they will be almost on top of you

>>176257852
I use a better start mod, lets you start with a tempest, and gives you more options.

Although all the other options are shit compared to a fucking tempest. One of them is a cerebus, like yeah i'll take the shitty combat freighter over the pimped out frigate that can easily take out destroyers.

>>176288187
>Dominator too but that would take an unrealistic amount of time in a real battle.
In other words they lose to the dominator, and especially things bigger than the dominator, because of CR. In other words, exactly what I said from the beginning.

Don't get me wrong, I love anything that uses ion weapons. Claw is my favorite fighter wing. The dominator would probably be stuck unable to move and attack for the entirety of a fight, but an ion pulser and 2 medium energy is just going to tickle anything with a meaningful amount of armor, and Tempests don't have the flux stats to support the really beefy assault energy weapons to begin with.

>running a small fleet out in the middle of nowhere
>suddenly a huge as fuck pirate fleet jumps me
WHAT THE FUCK

>>176288765
That's a 1 on 1 fight
6.5 Tempests will completely and thoroughly rip apart a Dominator

>>176288765
You also forget that Tempest has a missile, that could be a Torpedo or 3 Harpoons, enough to punch through the rear armor of a Dominator and then it's just a matter of chewing through the hull while the Dominator sits motionless and weaponless due to constant Ion damage.

>>176288853
The 6.5 tempests aren't against one dominator, they're against 2 dominators, 10 destroyers, some 20 frigates, and their own 180 seconds peak performance.

>>176288187
This is true even AI pilots won't lose, you give the tempest a heavy blaster or a phase lance to go with its pulse laser, and its game over for more low tech destroyers.

The new Terminator drone is gg for most ships, that thing is way too strong.

>>176289384
they're a pain in the ass if you run into an enemy fleet that likes to spam them. fucking things just zip around thinking they're sparks.

>>176289384
>heavy blaster and pulse laser
wew

Try putting both of those on a tempest and fire them together to see what happens, since it's obvious you've never done so.

>>176289730
>>176289384
Lasers are a good way of dealing with them

>>176289384
Terminator drone is good for picking things off but isn't amazing in a fleet combat situation. All the PD fucks it up and EMP becomes a lot less effective when there are other ships around to defend them. It's still a pretty crazy asset to put on a frigate with already respectable stats though, and probably makes the tempest the best general purpose frigate in the game unless the AI someday gets smart enough to abuse phase ships.

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Twelve (12) days to recover CR after a single battle. What the fuck diable.

>>176290480
Honestly the Maelstrom is just better. Sure it isn't as tanky, but Diable ships suck at tanking things to begin with, and all of the higher tier ships work better staying away than running in close like an Onslaught wannabe.

Are there more weapons besides Tachyon Lance and Ion Beam that can arc through shields?

>>176290835
I'm not seeing it, honestly. Maelstrom has half the Ordinance for a trivial difference in fuel and supply. Silly CR stats aside, everything about the Dreadnought is pretty disgusting, and the CR "drawback" doesn't really exist because there's basically no point in the game where you'll ever be in a gauntlet of three (the amount of battles it'll take for the CR loss to actually create a significant issue) major fights in a 12 day period.

Maelstrom does have slightly better flux though, so I guess that's something.

>>176285171
>take commission with hegemony
>mandated feasts every two weeks.

>>176290932
I'm pretty sure I've seen arcing with the regular ion cannon.

>>176290932
>>176291774

any EMP damage can arc, the hit just needs to be strong enough compared to the shield state

>>176291452
The ship's main drawback is that the shield is absolute shit tier.

>>176292001

a pretty significant drawback

but hey extended shields and hardened shields exist, so you can spend on OP into having them be merely bad. not like the maelstrom is short on OP.

>>176291887
Any proofs on this?

>>176292189

yeah i've got a recording right here, handy just for you: youtube com/watch?v=a8GDi mh8

>>176292329
thanks

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What ships are... Good? Like, I'm doing well enough in the game, but I feel like I could be doing so much better. The fuel tankers are fuel tankers, I get that. I like tarsus for shipping stuff. I have drone tenders for muh survey and salvage bonuses and they are ok harassers. I have a condor for some ships, then i have two hammerheads and a wolf for defenses, mixed with a mule because why not.

I don't know what ships to get. Mainly, i'm afraid of slowing my fleet down. I don't want my burn to go below 8 because I like going fast. I don't want maintenance costs to go crazy, either... I mostly like cruising out for big trips, doing salvage, surveys, then coming back and cashing in. What'd be good for me?

>>176292435
>Mainly, i'm afraid of slowing my fleet down.

my man you appear to have downloaded 0.7.2, the latest version is 0.8.1a rc19

>>176292508
It does feel like pirate fleets are a lot smaller now

How many mods are working on the transition to 0.81? How long will this general last and can it last until Nexelin hits?

>>176292743
For sure: Nexerelin, Dynasector, Mayorate, Scy, Exigency, Underworld.
Probably: Tiandong, Imperium, Templars

>>176292909
how did you forget B L A C K C O C K

>>176292909

dude you appear to have gotten your lists backwards. might wanna fix that

>>176272751
Terrible panel composition. It's not just right-to-left you know.

>>176283394
They don't have the will of Andrada.

>>176292435
Good player ships: Phase ships, anything with good mobility and firepower for hit-and-run tactics, anything with good range and mobility for kiting tactics. As a general rule, you want a lot of fire power (IE things like antimatter blasters) for the sake of killing as many enemy ships per fight as possible, but need to be fast enough to exploit the fact that enemy ships can't escape you.

Good AI ships: Carriers, anything kitted to kill things in a lower size category, brick walls, beam bitches, PD bitches

Don't make the mistake of trying to kit the AI with things that you use well, or are conditionally useful, or to fight things bigger than themselves. It will just waste it's time and/or get itself killed by doing something stupid. As a general rule, either give it so much range that it'll never be pushed out from attack range by enemies, or build it specifically to hunt things smaller than itself. (IE safety overrides destroyer for killing frigates)

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>>176272751

>>176289835
rapes face pretty hard, just add some flux, and safety overrides and you'll barely ever hit max flux and you can fire your pulse laser and still get flux back

>>176294854
>safety overrides
Enjoy your 60 seconds peak time.

>>176294076
So my dream of having 50 torp shuttles fight a battlestation is impossible? Fug.

Does the 30 ship fleet cap only apply to buying ships? Can you still salvage derelicts or does the game make ships unrecoverable from that point on?

>>176291708
>take commission with Hegemony
>reassigned to size 3 station in the middle of nowhere
>berated for not shooting down enough pirates

>>176295281
Yeah, you can salvage derelicts.

I want to a Tartiflette

>>176293174
>>176293301
Except Blackrock isn't waiting for 0.8.1. It is just getting a ton of new content.

I don't understand Graviton Beams. They do next to no damage, most ships have to lower shields for 1 second to wipe away any flux inflicted by hour-long beam massage. How do I shot graviton?

>>176295801
The only thing I can figure out about them is that they're alright at sustaining pressure if the ship you're running isn't fast. You just put them on auto and they track down a target to warm their shields for them. It's funny to see 3k or 4k shield damage and the target has zero flux on it.

>>176295547
I'll msg him

>>176295801
They're shit. Graviton Beams are only good as a flux-trading weapon, and since beams are only effective massed (meaning a majority of your ships aren't building flux anyway), they become essentially inferior than Tactical Laser. If you go for small slot beams go for Tactical Laser or Vibrating Beams in Scy

>>176291708
Oh god, stop triggering me

>>176284949
You can do that in Nexerelin already. In Uomoz's sector (rip) it's even better as you can build your own ships

>>176295191

oh no it's entirely possible. you just won't win.

>>176296134
>Tactical Laser
Wait really, are these things actually useful at all

>>176296265
One or two, no. But ten? Enjoy the laser show

>>176296245
I'll never understand how there are mods with more content than the actual in a fraction of the time it took vanilla to get this far

>>176295801
You use them in great numbers from such a long distance nothing can retaliate, preferably with a bunch of Tactical Lasers on top.

They are very weak against ships with proper shields, so go for frigates and low tier destroyers only.

>>176296134
But Graviton Beams are Med anon, not small.

>>176296296
Alex being a good Russian as he is probably spend 12 hours a day just squatting in front of their commie block and drinking vodka

>>176296346
Yes you're right. It's so shitty that I subconsciously downgraded it a size

>>176296265

yeah the range lets you concentrate several ships worth of flux on one target and it can't do terribly much about it.

1v1 they only work against smaller or lower tech ships.

>>176295801
They're a support weapon. Gravitons can be facetanked because they do kinetic damage and barely scratch the paint on armor. By themselves in a 1v1 they suck but they are flux-efficient. Mostly they're there to help build up the enemy's flux faster while you are also shooting him with other better things that force him to keep his shields up.

>>176296296
*more content than what vanilla has in a fraction of the time it took to get it this far

I need to find my cryopod...

>>176296518
Beams only build soft flux

one gravbeam is worth 2,7 tacticals against shields, and with a better flux ratio. since overpowering the enemy shield with sustained pressure is the whole point of beamspam adding some gravitons in is well worth it

>>176296296
Probably because official content cost a lot of money, not just time.

>>176296712
There's nothing stopping the enemy from dropping their shield completely to tank your Graviton Beam. And if you waste a medium slot for shitty SOFT flux weapon like Graviton Beam you're not killing your enemy fast enough.

>>176284736
To simplify it is pretty much just build a fleet to build a bigger fleet

some guy tried to claim I was using reductio ad absurdum yesterday when I said this but that's really all you fucking do in this game

>>176296812
>>There's nothing stopping the enemy from dropping their shield completely to tank your Graviton Beam

yeah and then they're eating my taclasers, and maybe some harpoons for good masure. mission accomplished.

>find a derelict astral
>save game corrupted
fffuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>>176296941
If you're playing the pirated version the game periodically corrupts your save files.

Why the fuck do i get connection errors wehn posting?

>>176296812
Gravitons and Tacs eat frigates and destroyers easily and they can't do shit about it

>>176297038
well im not
yes i paid 15 dollars

>>176296296
keep in mind, for mods to be able to do the tons of shit they do, the base game code must be modular, and with plenty of shit exposed, but limited, for mods to hook into, as well as having ready-made functions for the modders.

For example: you want to make a new starsystem. you just call up the initialize function, set what planets you want, what they should have and the game fills in the rest.
Or you want a list of nearby fleets/ships. You just call a function like "getships" or someshit, and be done with it, you dont have to write it from the ground up.

This is also the reason why mods can coexist so well, because they use the same, inbuilt codes rather than everyone making their own implementations.

Compare that to XCOM 2012, where modding is literrally hexediting the main exe file, and you can see that moddability is a serious design choice and timesink to implement correctly. It doesnt happen by accident or abyproduct.

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>>176297097

well that's your mistake right there

>>176296747
No, it's because the developers aren't focused on developing this game.

0.8.1 will be the last update the game sees this year.

>get scanned for contraband
>dont carrry any
>get found with contraband
this is bullshit

>>176297289
it's ok we got blackrock

>>176297203
>not supporting indie games
go away EA shill

>>176297289
>0.8.1 will be the last update the game sees
FTFY

>>176297320
Should have bribed them

>>176297370
Well yeah? Check MY blackrock.
*unzips*

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man the pilum is retarded big

>>176297746
spear your enemies with it and launch it.

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man the post timer is retarded long

>>176297874
Buy a 4chan pass to shorten the timer :^)
It's only a little more expensive than Starsector.

>>176297746
WILL YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY ABOUT OVERSIZED GUNS THEY HAVE TO BE LIKE THAT FOR GAMEPLAY

>>176298149

I really don't see how. They should make them smaller.

>>176297289
>developers
all 2 of them

Are survey data only good for selling or can we use them somehow?

>>176297746
what mod is that

>>176298326
yeah that's why it's plural faggot

>>176297746
>uses a retardedly thin modded ship.
>complains the weapons are too big.

>>176298326
>>176298396
One actually, the others are two ponctual contractors for art and music/sounds every once in a while.

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>>176298149

all i'm saying is that other med missiles aren't that big

>>176298359

unreleased, just a frigate and a small burst beam so far

>>176298334
Selling only for now.

>save transfer still hasn't updated

JUST UPDATE SO I CAN PORT MY LATE GAME FLEET

I AM NOT REPLAYING EVERYTHING JUST FOR ONE MOD

>>176297746
The guns really need a "hide" option or something.

Or like some way to reduce their size 50-100% without quality loss on the graphic.

>>176299050
Make one

Grav beams are perfectly fine on stuff like support AI sunders, tempests and flagship eagles. An eagle with 3 grav beams and 3 tac lasers - safely - melts everything except medusa/aurora and capitals. Obviously lower range SO builds are significantly more destructive but they are also way more risky. If you savescum safety doesn't matter but then again if you savescum none of your decisions have any weight.

>>176299050
yeah its called hidden weapon slots, you can mod any ship trivially to use them, just change slot type to HIDDEN

>>176294963
whatever most battles end before it becomes a factor. Being able to travel that much faster than everything else lets you easily get behind shields and take out ships quicker than you can otherwise.

>>176288781
Every time. They show up out of the ether when I'm in the middle of nowhere, or even in the core systems sometimes. I just wanted to peacefully survey things with my crappy underequipped fleet.

>>176288781
>>176299928
If you're playing the pirated version the game will sometimes spawn large pirate fleets out of thin air to chase you.

>>176300054
I wish

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What the fuck happened here

>>176300280
lots of pirates

>>176300280

looks pretty typical for corvus

>>176300421
Wew lad. The entire star is surrounded by it like 50 debris fields.

>>176300505
The fields freeze if the player is not in the system while the engagement occurs

>say I'm gonna do iron-man this time for real
>alt+f4 reload alt+f4 reload
goddamn it

>>176297038
My dad works at Razor1991 and gave me a DRM-free copy.

Eat shit, loser.

>>176300921

if you had willpower you wouldn't be here

>>176300921
>finally got the Harbinger
>3 heavy blasters cripple Dominators in one salvo
>first engagement against Apogee, Mora, Drovers
>take out Drovers one by one
>catch a Hurricane submunition with the edge of my engine, REALLY CLOSE
>get stressed
>accidently press RMB in the middle of fighter cloud
>Pirahnnas take me apart with machineguns
>press Alt-F4, forget that the save was made before salvaging

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>>176301338

>>176301338

there's at least three instances of severe self-ownage in here

>>176295801
/v/ sucks their dick but Gravitons are pretty garbage and are practically a waste of a medium slot.
Aside from the high intensity laser, energy fire support just isn't that useful.

>>176300921
>>176301338
It's /mbg/ all over again. How is it possible to make it through life if you have so little willpower that you can't avoid cheating in a single player videogame?

>>176301896
Have you ever seen what a triple grav triple tac Eagle does to frigates and destroyers?

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>screaming about a single dev doing stuff in his off-time taking time to actually push out content

if it's so easy go make your own spaceship game that's better, faster, except you won't because you're ungrateful little fucks who don't understand what work actually is

>>176302275
doesn't he do full time now though

>>176299652
it doesn't actually work tho

>>176300054
Not pirated though, I actually bought it a year or so ago (played, stopped, recently came back). The combat has just been weird so far - it's either a tiny gimp fleet I can wipe out in 30 seconds with one Hammerhead, or an overwhelming number of enemy ships, each of which outclasses most of what I've got.

>>176301965
Kill them slower than fighter squadrons would while making you garbage against other cruisers?
There isn't much reason to build a ship to punch down when there are already dedicated counters you could get instead.

>>176301896
I started using some of the long range projectile weapons and they blow the fuck out all the beams and shit

beams are total ass and need like 1.5x longer range than they have right now to give them an actual advantage over projectiles.

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1st run ever anon here (no mods) I already got like 800k money by just doing sensor package missions. so I think Im ready for my first pew pew fleet. my only knowledge is about weapons from pic related.

my idea is a small fleet (5 to 10) of frigates to do bounty hunting. by just reading the codex ingame, this is my idea:

>Tempest (maybe flagship)
cause x2 medium weapons and fighters bay, thats looks like a big punching power for a frigate
>Hyperion (maybe flagship)
another one looking powerful with that x2 medium and blink
>Wolf x3
x1 medium weapon and a lot of small guns + blink, looks right for a somehow support-attack role
>Brawler x3
x2 medium weapons, looks right as core ship to any frigate fleet
>Monitor x2
they look tanky as fuck with that flak cannon, but dunno how how is to have just brick tanky ships to absorb damage

how bad is my preliminar fleet setup? p-please help.

>>176302378
lol with this update schedule?

>>176302275
>little fucks who don't understand what work actually is
>single dev doing stuff in his off-time

top kek doing shit in your off time isn't actual work alex, that's called a hobby, you do it for fun

sounds more like YOU don't know what work actually is

>>176302724

just play the game you fucking spastic

>>176302762
>lol with this update schedule?

sad but true

>>176302812
>spastic
here, your fedora, you dropped it kid

>>176302642
That kinda is the point of a no-risk weapon. It's not flashy, but it's slow and reliable.

>>176295801
they are meant to be massed and to be used from range.

put 6 beams on an eagle and destroyers and frigates will be hard pressed for flux.

>>176302762
If he's doing it as a hobby that's even LESS reason to bitch about the update schedule.

Fuck's sake.

>>176296812
which is why you put HE damage on top of beams or have a HE support ship

>>176300280
that satellite, where is it form?

I rememeber it back from 7.2 but I can't remember for my life what mod added it

>>176303793

the HIL is my waifu

>>176303965
Neutrino. Mod's ships are aesthetic as fuck.

>>176303554
his update schedule is borderline "I've lost interest in this and don't want to do it anymore" though

DF and Rimworld are both on slow update schedules, but they're still more consistent than this game. This game feels like it's on the verge of being abandonware.

>>176304726
Wrong

>>176304831
If he had lost interest in developing Starsector then I doubt he would be posting like a 100 replies on the forums every day

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wow luck

>>176305079
Maybe he spent all his time shitposting on the forum

>>176305509
shit that's what I do

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>>176305079
we're not so different, alex and us

>>176302724
>want to donwload java 7 because depsite working with java 8 installed, doing the 64bit mod makes it not run
>the oracle site fucks around unless you bend over for their cookie shit

This should be illegal

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>>176304976
>imblying

>>176307015
looks very uninspired

>start new game now
>wait for mods
what do

>>176307861
Start a new game now to learn the mechanics, do a fresh one when the mods release

I find save transferring kills my interest

>>176308095
I have played the game for several years though

I'm doing it guys, I'm joining the Diktak for that sicc fuel and Conquests

>>176308638
conquest a shit

Is ORA a high quality mod?

>>176309846
yes, but whether you like the sprites or not is up to subjective taste

resposting:

how do I personalize faciton dialogue? greetings and the such

Do the pirate versions of Shadowyard ships use Shadowyard weapons?

Also will the mod break if I remove variants from the variant list.

>>176309846
If you like horse dildos yeah

>>176311602

horse dildoes look considerably more interesting than those tarted up bricks