/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

I take it he got unbanned then

>>176215504
Who?

what is this kumo meme
how is it related to 4xg

>>176215616

Just ignore it and pretend it's not there, don't directly reply to him because he loves the attention. He comes into slow/low-pop generals and shits that spider out everywhere. Just forget him and hope he moves on. This isn't the only general he's done it to.

>>176215616
>being this much of a newfag

Anyone got screenshots of the Prethoryn or Unbidden slowly winning against the galaxy? I want to feel some dread

>Be the Qu.

>Be the second greatest genetic engineers in the galaxy.

>Mod yourself into a flying tapeworm.

I wish Biological Ascension let you change portraits as well as traits.

I also wish you could rename species.

What I'm saying is, I want to gene-mod my slave species into my main species and spread 'humanity' throughout the galaxy like a holy blessing.

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>>176205403
Moron.

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>just got The Coming Storm in my Emperium of Man run
IT'S TIME

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hyperlanes

Is there any good spider portrait for Stellaris?

>>176216062
>good
>Stellaris
Pick one.

>>176215750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8QM271bqTU

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>>176216361

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>>176215987
DINNER TIME

>>176216513
Not an argument.

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Have we started to warm up to CivVI yet or do we have to wait for an honest xpac to start liking it?

>>176217070
No, we still hate everything that's not at least five years old.

>>176217184
But I like it

Especially playing as John Curtin

btw I'm Burger

>>176217421
Australia's fucking overpowered, man.

>>176217421
Fuck off spidershit

>>176217639

For you.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-37481251

>>176217765
http://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/2016/05/25/1464165135/

>>176217541
It depends

IMO Brazil is much more of a threat on water maps due to their lolships that cost no coal

equip Maritime Industries, spam a bunch of Quadriremes while rushing Nationalism then pop in Professional Army and upgrade those suckers for instant mid-game rape (skipping the frigate stage makes the upgrade cheaper in total)

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>>176217765
>again

>>176216470
A lot more passive than I expected

>>176216049
You literally did this to yourself

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>>176217765
>again

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Holy shit, every time.

>>176218180
Yikes!

That's awesome!

>>176219221
>5910 relation
The top I got was -400.

>>176219554
I'm playing with an AI personality mod. The bulk of that is from the Psychotic Hordes personality.

>>176219795
So what is that personality type, Fanatical Purifier but full retard?

>>176219795
>mod
All interest dropped.

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>>176219221
Now that's my type of butterfly!

>>176215569
Spider faggot

>>176219905
It's probably Fanatical Purifier with some extra civic or trait requirement, yes.

>>176219930
Everything else about them is vanilla, though.

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>>176219930
NOT OP, Theses are the mods that i've got installed.

What do you think?

Also, What's the quickest way to get AI to declare war on you while your in a defense pact?

>>176220002
He never was. Don't take your wish for reality.

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>>176216049
Just turn fleet stance to Passive, you damned memeist.

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>>176220138

These people posting their passive fleet hypermemes will never outdo this shit

>>176220081
>No outpost influence maintenance
>No clustered starts

>>176220138
>forget you set fleet stance to passive
>science ship stumbles into amoebas when surveying

>>176220460
>Mosquitoes
We don't know what you mean buddy, if you don't say it.

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>>176220406
Bitch please.

And that's not even hyperlane.

>>176220650

Except it's evasive again m8, nothing is stopping your warp from going west then northwest then to your target, all in 3 jumps.

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>>176220502
NEVER FORGET, nigger.

>>176220650
this one is just you being retarded

>>176220650
God DAMN it I love wormholes

>>176215616
It's just some underage autist, don't mind him.

>>176215616
>being this much of a newfag

>>176221083
Not an argument

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>people don't play hyperlanes only
>people don't rush psi and grab psi jump drives to run rings around hyperspace plebs
>people don't create black ops psi jump fleets to ruin the enemy economy while distracting them with a conventional fleet

>spiderbro arrives
>all retards immediately get triggered
Good.

>>176221162
all of this can be done with wormhole

>>176221258

Try reading his post dipshit

What are the best civics in Stellaris?
Which ones should be avoided at all costs?

>>176221310
I like Efficient Bureaucracy and Cutthroat Politics
Warrior Culture a shit

>>176221258

Also wormhole can actually be pretty bad for this in the wrong situation.

Wormhole scales badly with bigger and bigger fleets, sure, small fleets will jump fast, but jump fleets can move freely and have a fixed jump time.

Rushing construction ships into enemy territory works pretty well against retarded AI, but against human players you will have a lot of trouble if they have even a slight fleet advantage because they'll be smart and simply wipe your wormhole stations

>>176221447

If you pick a pacifist xenophobe (spiritualist works well with this) you can combine agrarian idyll and inward perfection.

It's COMPLETELY fucking broken and makes tall empires insanely powerful because you can complete 4-5 Unity trees before a normal human player has 1-2 full at least.

>>176221291
>h-hyperlane only!!
I did.

>>176221310

I avoid shadow council, warrior culture, stratocracy and inwards perfection. The first 3 are just really shit since the things they grant can be easily gotten elsewhere. InPe is just tooooo powerful right now.

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Try playing a REAL game instead of playing "EU4 For Retards".

>>176221693

So how do you propose using wormholes on a hyperlanes only game?

>>176221693
>>176221258

>all of this can be done with wormhole

Actually, by definition, no it can't.

Which room works best with a plantoid empire using plantoid cities?

>>176222123
Are you using any room mods?
If not then probably the Spiritualist or Xenophile one.

>>176221792
>inwards perfection
Why? +5 happiness and +30% unity sounds pretty sweet.

>>176221685
Do tall empires even have that many farms? You need like 2-4 farms for a single temple. Or do farms get more unity as they get upgraded?

>>176222365
>Why? +5 happiness and +30% unity sounds pretty sweet.
He's saying it's too OP for him to consider using it against the AI.

>>176222365

> You need like 2-4 farms for a single temple

The biggest effect is the early game boost.

Instead of having like, 1-2 unity a turn, you start off with 6 early on.

When playing with human players, by the time my friends have about 10 unity a turn I have upwards of 40-50 and usually am limiting my expansion just a little bit more than usual.

Putting the unity into Discovery, the first perk of Economics and the Exploration tree, you have much higher science output and reduced unity cost from additional pops.

>>176222365
>Why? +5 happiness and +30% unity sounds pretty sweet.

I don't choose it because I find it too good. It requires pacifist which is already like 20% unity. 50% unity gain is just far too much. There's another civic that's just 15% unity but it's kinda bad compared to inwards. IP is getting nerfed tomorrow though. Also

>tfw no stellaris while waiting for mods to update

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Haha get fucked space niggers

>>176222283
Which room is the Xenophile room?

>>176223107
The one with the purple curtains.

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>>176221258
Jesus fuck...

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Fuck you Mohammed
You dare destroyed 2 of my mining drones

>>176222747
Isn't the real cost of Inwards Perfection that you HAVE to be both Xenophobic and Pacifist to get it?

>>176223224
Pschht, islamophobe...

>>176223280

Hardly a cost though really. Xenophobe's really good due to the border range and pacifist grants more unity. All you really lose is a little bit if diplomatic clout and the ability to cede planets. You can still liberate and vassalize people through war.

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Update on the human 2way
Everyone got defense pacts up the ass and nothing happened, ever
Everyone except the alien third wheel to the north, for some stupid reason the UN declared war on them
Their fleet is 100% disruptors

This was a letdown already

>>176223363
Could be worse. He could be arachnophobe.

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Should I adopt the Supremacy-tree just for the sake of connecting Naboo to the rest of my empire? I've allready researched the 20% Border Range. Or are there any other techs that give you more range?

>>176220081
Delete your fleet I suppose?

>collectivist pacifist
>implying you can keep people working with no incentive for self-advancement nor the threat of force

>>176223280

You're not fanatically pacifistic or xenophobic, so it's actually not that relevant.

Plus, using this strat, you don't want to cede planets anyway, generally liberation and establishing vassalisation/protectorate/pacts are good enough.

>>176223576
You are literally the most hated poster in this general, Kumo-kun.

>>176223921
not true with how much I hate myself

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>late medieval primitives on a planet filled with spiders

How horrifying

>tfw want 1.6 to come out already

>>176223740

>implying you can keep people working with no incentive for self-advancement nor the threat of force

Pacifism in Stellaris doesn't mean the state doesn't have any kind of monopoly on force. Pacifist empires still have armies and navies.

It more refers to using violence to achieve goals, but it's quite easy to rationalise pacifism by calling those who resist the actual violent ones and any violence used in response is just rightful self defense.

Ethics in Stellaris are allowed to be hypocritical because we know from humans that hypocrisy is pretty important/central to most societies.

>>176223921
So you admit you're samefagging. Good to know.

>>176224087
They must be all badasses to survive. Conscript them in your armies.

>>176224087
Welcome to Middle Earth, motherfucker

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>>176223740
>implying you can't

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>>176223740
Pacifist doesn't mean you can't force them at gunpoint.
It just means you won't strike first.

Man, Insane is impossible.

Enemys can research high tier research while your still twirling your thumbs.

>>176224824

You have to use broken mechanics (like idyllic + inward) or cheat the AI.

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>>176224824
>Paradox can't make better IA so they just make it cheat more
GEE
WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT

>>176224886
>idyllic + inward
??

>>176225058
>>176224886
Right now, I'm thinking the only way to survive is to whore yourself to every friendly AI to get protection and research.

But i like my salty civ.

>>176225164
> /PDXG/
Buy the DLC.

>>176225825
But i have the DLCs.

Utopia, Leviathans

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>>176224824
Only two ways to beat it.
1) Use diplomacy to become a clingy schoolgirl always leaning on other empire's shoulders and get forever locked into your first 5 systems while you do nothing forever (why even play?)
2) Massassive AI cheese and getting really lucky.

>>176223173
Thanks!

>>176225058

Correction: almost nobody can make good strategy AI.

Making AI seem intelligent or lifelike (or just simply 'fair') is quite possible in games that involve characters running around in an environment.
FEAR, GTAV, MGSV and Half Life did that very well for their respective eras, but even they have weird bugs that seem to be almost unavoidable.

That's accomplished by giving pawns routines to make decisions and putting node maps in the environment with weighting. That way you can have enemies that make logical decisions, but most importantly, fast and less predictable decisions.

In strategy, it's a lot more abstract and long term. It's easy for me to point out the flaws, that AI doesn't make long term plans, that the AI doesn't set goals for itself and then try to accomplish specific goals (potentially making diplomatic/economic decisions based on those arbitrary goals), but unless you have complex routines and decision making built with that in mind, it's a hell of a lot of work.

How the AI in Stellaris SHOULD be designed if you want more roleplay capability, is for the different personalities to have heavily weighted, arbitrary goals.
When an AI finds a really fantastic system close to an empire they're hostile with, they don't do what a human player might do, send a fleet to contest that system, potentially declaring war if an enemy colony ship attempts to colonize, they just send a colony ship over.

It's rare for war in Stellaris to break out over any particular incident, as we see in actual human players (and real life), it just ends up being an algorithmic decision based on diplomacy numbers and relative power combined with their ethics.

>>176226353
Stellaris tried doing that with Ruler personalities in EU4. Didn't change much from what I saw except sometimes countries could act retarded on purpose and get a continent-spanning coalition to form against them.

>>176226632

>except sometimes countries could act retarded on purpose and get a continent-spanning coalition to form against them.

Countries do sometimes act retarded in real life though, it just seems a good idea at the time.

The bigger problem is just a fundamental inability for the AI to recognise when it's being set up for something (i.e being blocked off or being surrounded), and I won't pretend I know how to fix that.

>>176226632
>Stellaris tried doing that
Meant Paradox. What the fuck am I doing

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>>176226353
I have never seen a good AI in a strategy game.

They all have their own flaws, and the problem with strategy is that if you get used to the AI, you are unable to play against humans opponents, because you'll get used to exploit flaws in the AI.
For Starcraft, it's harassment and simultaneous deep strikes, for Supreme Commander, it's turret push...
You get used to abusing AI flaws and it makes you unable to fight humans, and that's a shame.

Some games embrace it (like AI War, who fully expect you to abuse the AI to win), and Stellaris does so, but only partially. Wiz did say that the AI never tried to win and that they only tried to stop you, they should've developped that aspect further by making it clear it's not going to win.

Also
>Half-Life
>good AI
I distinctly remember backpedaling and killing the enemies one by one when they tried to flush me out. The soldiers had grenades, but the ayyys were completely stupid.

>>176226896
It's not just you that's getting used to the AI, it's the whole playerbase.

The devs should periodically update the AI to make it more resilient against the most popular exploitative strategies.

How does shield regen work? If you have 2 shield regen and 100 shields, is that 2%, or a flat 2? How often does it occur, daily or monthly like hull regen?

>>176227014
But then it would just become a race between the players and the devs to develop a meta to beat the AI.

>>176226896

>I distinctly remember backpedaling and killing the enemies one by one when they tried to flush me out. The soldiers had grenades, but the ayyys were completely stupid.

Consider it for the time, simply AI doing anything resembling flanking was more than most games were trying at the time.

I'm not trying to fanboy HL1 though, wasn't the only game to be playing around with AI more complex than drones. In fact one of the biggest issues with AI in shooters is the balance between godlike and retarded. Devs don't want to make AI opponents too quick or effective to stop the game from becoming bullshit, but sometimes they cripple them too much (slow reactions/bad aim) and they become easy.

FEAR managed to pull it off better, but was limited to very simple blocky environments with heavy nodemapping.

>>176227239

>a race between the players and the devs to develop a meta to beat the AI.

Welcome to Xcom: Long War

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>>176227134
This one?

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So the flying porchmonkey empire I'm practially allied with had themselves a little rebellion on their original home planet due to a single Hive Mind Hollow worm inexplicably finding his way as a citizen on said planet. Don't fucking ask me how (Probably: Paradox favorite pet xenophiles dindu nuffins XD XD XD OPEN BORDERS). Anyway they rebelled and broke free from the main empire and as soon as they did I declare war on them for not being tolerant and peaceful enough. So now I have a planet full of angry porchmonkeys. Obviously I can't purge them, because I play as an egalitarian simply because I wanted the civic "Corporate Dominion" and it goes without saying that I can not let these uppity negroes live side by side with my cute little geckos. Wat do?

>>176227406


No, no. I mean actual shields. They have 2 stats, capacity and regen.

>>176227334
>Consider it for the time
Sorry, I'm unable to do that. Half-Life is the second FPS I ever played. Unreal was the first one.
I guess that compared to Doom, yeah, they're pretty intelligent. I don't even remember if the monsters in Doom followed you or if they just moved randomly once you were detected.

>Welcome to Xcom: Long War
I hated it to be honest.

>>176227429
Also I just noticed the planet is called "Ugralak Nog". Ironically enough I didn't actually name it.

>attack enemy apostle with my inquisitor on my territory with theocracy and religious orders policy
>inquisitor dies from 100% and barely does visible damage
why is this allowed

>>176227429
I can't remember if egalitarian lets you use population and migration controls, but if you can, use them. Or just give the planet back to you Monkey friend. They'll probably won't give you much for it, though.

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So i have these space ekves confined in their bubble and soon i can get diplomacy traditions for federations
Are these guys worth a Federation?
Are Federations worth at all? First time playing this game basically

>>176227534

>Sorry, I'm unable to do that. Half-Life is the second FPS I ever played. Unreal was the first one.

Understandable.

Admittedly even the better AI, all it really does is make different decisions based on how you play and the maps have good nodemaps so AI can find better 'paths'. It's a step above the standard, which is call of duty tier moving turrets that do little else than randomly move around and shoot.

AI for games can be pretty interesting considering just how awkward and difficult it can be to code, especially considering the limitations of the mid 90's.

>I hated it to be honest.

Certainly isn't for everyone.

>>176227881
Yeah. The AI is the reason why old games age usually very poorly.

Empire Earth comes to my mind due to personal trauma over the many, many, MANY B-52 it used.
Supreme Commander comes to mind too, albeit there's an Anon who keeps saying that the AI in FA is actually very good.

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>3-way AI war ends with 3 new liberated factions being created
>10 fucking years of NAPs, independence guarantees, independence guarantees being cancelled months later, defensive pacts, rivalries, rivalries cancelled, vassalization etc etc etc

>>176228096

Honestly i'd say a large part of 'fun' AI isn't even 'effective' AI, but AI that seem like they make unique decisions.

If you can give the illusion of lifelike AI, it doesn't even really matter from the player's perspective.

>>176228240
True.
If it wasn't for the AI reacting and communicating, FEAR and Unreal Tournament 2004 wouldn't be that fun.

>>176228112
Welcome to the space balkans

>>176228096
>the AI in FA is actually very good.
You can do pretty well in Supcom if you just liek build stuff. The AI doesn't need to be very clever to spam things but it still has no idea on what's GOOD to build or anything like that. Anything above normal still cheats out the ass for free money and you can actually grab that cheat income by having cheat AI allies.

Most of the "good AI" meme is just UEFags building layered shields, playing tower defense and calling it good AI.

The AI engine remains the most horribly programmed thing ever and the AI can kill sim speed by just building engi bots. No it doesn't have to make sense.

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Like clockwork...

>>176228347

SHUT THE FUCK UP
HE'S TOO FAST
KILL THAT FUCKER

ENEMIES EVERYWHERE

>>176228596
>Jimmy Fedora - Always Tipped.
>Not part of the Materialist faction.
Not really.

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>>176228604
Try turning the safety off!

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>>176215448
Holy hell...

>>176228986
fucking finns

>>176228945
I am the Alpha and the Omega.

>>176228986
What are all these chicken nuggets?

Is there a good way for pacifists to vassalize or make tributary of other empires?
Liberated empires won't join under you unless you're significantly stronger then them no?

>>176229298

What are all these chicken nuggets?

They're CLEARLY TURKEY LEGS you DUMB CUNT.

>>176229396

When liberating then vassalizing, it's easier if you're xenophile, impossible if you're xenophobe. Strength shouldn't be a concern since you will eliminate their fleets anyway.

>>176228986
>brazzers

>>176226896
What about making, like, three guys develop the AI? Each of them shares half of what they're doing, and keeps the other half a secret (so they don't influence each other too much).
That way the AI could react in some six different ways, and you wouldn't know which one from the start of the game.

...or something like that. I'm no AI programmer.

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>>176229490
>they eat Turkish people

>>176229703
I dunno, if someone screw up, the AI will end up doing something, and then immediately destroying it or never using it.

>>176229734

>Finns are Africans
>Africans eat bugs
>bugs includes cockroaches
>cockroaches are turks

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This is great.
Stuck between two xenophobes and an FE.

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>>176229734
Haraam...

>>176230018
Ally the non-xenophobe if you can(you probably will because of the mutual threats opinion modifier) and curbstomp them individually.

>>176230018
Dude it's the super early game
You should have absolutely 0 issues annexing the xenophobic dudes

>>176228986
If I was a clever boy I'd say something along the lines of "Modern Day Europe" or something.

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>>176228986
>"Sir! We're being invaded by land! What should we do?!"

>"SPAWN MOAR BOATS!!"

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Oh wow, these guys are actually pretty cool.

>>176230887
Who are they?

Also. You will never have this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4phT2Vukvn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV0x4XHdbyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty-1zWsXFNs

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>>176230887
>2212 and only one planet
>fleet of 15 corvettes
>UPGRADED corvettes

>>176231252
Too be fair, After the invasion of the gamelon they were left in a very defenceless state.

>>176230887
>playing as fanatic egalitarian and xenophile with Charismatic race
>meet the xenophile FE
>always at 60+ relations with them because I'm xenophile and Charming
>they constantly shower me in free shit
The xenophile FE are the best. Going to feel real bad when I eventually have to liberate them, though.

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>>176231572
>xenophile
Maybe, I should change? No it's galaxy that's wrong.

But actually being on good terms with other players would be helpful in insane.

>>176220650
>Nep
purge yourself

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>>176231752
How about no?

We've really gotta have a 28 player game sometime soon, or whatever max player is and put anime against anime, warhammer against pony, human against alien and see who stands out on top.

>>176231843
Just like the Hunger Games sim thing.
That'll be sweet

>>176230303
I would except I made this race pacifists.

>>176231843
> Someone who is not me really should
Just host it already.

>>176232135
Genuinely would love to! but.. Australian internet. It would be great if the rest of the world moved closer for better ping.

Which government do you like the most flavor-wise?
Divine Empire a best

>>176232209
There's a simpler solution: stop voting pinkos into power who are so regulation crazy

>>176232067
You deserve everything.

>>176232209
Maybe we should set up three different groups. Aussie, Europ and burger.

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>>176232307
I love the Commonwealth of Man. They managed to get away from the political climate of Earth and went their own way, and now refuse to sell out human interests to cater to xenos, instead seeking to carve out a space for mankind and crush any foul aliens that stand in their way.

>>176232625
Nah, You can easily play on American servers as i do it all the time with HOI4 but hosting wouldn't be practical.

>>176232307
Assembly of Clans

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>>176231142
>1. Equip your ship of choice with an Arc Emitter
>2. Looks exactly like your cartoo
Thank me by praying to me 3 times/day, my weeb friend.

>>176232803
Wait, Single ship has 1k fire power.

Fuck me, I unlocked that weapon in a war a while back.

>>176228596
>white hunting anger
>jimmy fedora
>equality for all

Are you the Sjwians?

>>176232067
Start a liberation war and liberate their planets from their xenophobic goverment and later on federation them, or vassal them if you can mindbreak them

>>176232737
I meant the time zones would be impractical since these games tend to take long to finish. For me it would only be possible to play with people from other time zones during the weekends.

A question for Fanatic Purifiers.

If I have the required ethos and adopt the civic in the mid-game to take on a threat like, say, the Unbidden or an Awakened Ascendancy, but then I remove the civic and replace it with something else, is the diplomatic penalty removed with it or am I going to be at -1000 with everyone forever?

>>176233037
I start playing around 12 and finish at 5 in the morning after conquering the world.

None can stand against Australia, When i'm playing her.

Wanting to start a game as Space British Empire.
What ethics, government type and shit like that do you guys think would be portray the British Empire?
Also, any mods that'll give me that extra tea and crumpets flavor?

Do we have a complete list of the new leader backgrounds coming with 1.6?

>>176232993
I'm playing as greedy space merchants. The Egalitarian is only because I needed the "Corporate Dominion" civic.

>>176231749
>the grey
>doesn't even attempt to find aliens who look like Greys

>>176233170
Colonist, ruthless, and they love challenge.

Also inbred.

>>176233212
that and
>almost literally Commonwealth of Man(1)

>>176232643
There needs to be an option so that both Commonwealth and Earth can be set to spawn

>>176233316
>>176233212
Why would i want to be Xeno Scum and i liked the commonwealth of man but not the name.

>>176233207
>space merchantry breeds space sjws

is this pottery?

>>176233327
I've seen this happen.
They almost always hate eachother.

>>176233327
cant you just lock both of the human empires to spawn?

>>176233413
somebody post the image, you know the one

So instead of giving yourself a name like empire of man or the human state you called yourself "the gay"? Why?

>>176233207
>liberals are actually corporate shills
Paradox accidentally redpilling the masses, no wonder they rushed out this patch

>>176230758
Whose workers did they take? Is Harald AI?

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>>176233452
>>176233608
D-DELETE THIS

>>176233575
I don't actually.

>>176233575
The fact no one has posted it yet is baffling.

>>176234246

Enjoy your ban

Am I retarded or is there literally no reason but to spam default Corvettes over the force cap limit in Stellaris?

they're so cheap cost, maintenance, and time wise that i see no reason to not just build a shit ton of them, it's no issue to go over 3 to even 4 times over the force limit with them because they're so cheap it doesn't matter.

I've tested this with a friend and whenever our doomstacks of similar cost Mineral wise went at it, his being tier 5 Battleship cruiser stack while mine was just a fucking shit ton of corvettes, i would always win and only lose half of my forces, but i could build it back so fast that losing even 80% of it didn't fucking matter.

i didn't properly optimize my corvette stack with stuff like fleet academy or stuff that would drive the maintenance cost down even more to allow myself to build maybe as high as 5 times over the force limit, but it's seems as if it's not only cheaper than fully teched out fleets but able to consistently beat them as well.

i can only imagination with the Devouring Swarm civic that's coming in 1.6 or with the Fanatic Purifiers that this is gonna go full retard, as you increase the power of each corvette without increasing cost.

>>176234275
Because people are actually getting tired of /gsg/ forcing their unfunny memes.

>>176233170
>Also, any mods that'll give me that extra tea and crumpets flavor?
Mercenary enclaves so you can actually use pirates and pretend they are not working for you.

>>176234246
Oh, I don't purge.

I exile.

>>176234308
someone had to do it, friend

>>176234329
>is there literally no reason but to
i can't even tell what you're saying

>>176234391
is that not correct? English isn't my first language.

i'm trying to say that default Corvettes are seemingly the most powerful fleet if you don't care about fleet cap, and with how cheap they are you really shouldn't care about it.

>>176234329
You realize that corvettes are supposed to counter Battleships, right?

>>176234519
the Cruisers had a ton of medium and small weapon as to try and replicate a balance fleet you'd expect from most players.

>>176234483


That English works fine, anon is just retarded.

Anyway, corvettes will always kill cruisers and battleships unless they are outfitted with flak due to the evasion chance being >80% most of the time.

>>176234329
>tier 5 Battleship cruiser stack
Skewed results, your friend is a retard. First off you shouldn't stack battleships at all and cruisers should never be over 30% of your fleet. If most of his stack was L and M weapons, no wonder he got demolished by corvettes.
Second, in the early game, yes. However the corvette locust swarm strat doesn't let you mix in any specialized craft because they suddenly have maintenance up the bunghole.

>>176232307
Celestial Empire

>>176234837
alright, what do you think the most balanced fleet i would expect in a multiplayer game at let's say, 2400 would consist of?

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So the unbidden spawned 100~ years ago and I didn't do anything against them because I was busy liberating those pesky xenos.

Just checked the last surviving fallen empire and this is the status

Didn't knew that their fleets get that big also I'm a bit worried now because thats just 1/3 of their total force, the rest is up and about

>>176234992
Multiplayer? Impossible to tell really because if you're doing just one gimmick then other people will catch up to it
SP? Been done to death, I don't even need to say it

So does 1.6 ship tomorrow?

If so, should I turn off auto-updates?

>>176234329
Related:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/69d6de/naked_corvette_test_part_1_default_naked_corvette/

>>176235069
to be perfectly honest i kinda just wanna sneak into a Multiplayer game and stay under the radar of everyone and allow them to form federations and alliances.

Think cold war, but suddenly little shitty african nation invades the entire world with T-34s and bolt action rilfes, and kicks everyone's ass with raw numbers.

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>>176235004
Their stats so far, also just checked the neighboring system of the fallen empire and there were another 100k + 50k stack. They field well over a million.

>>176233070
Someone please chime in on this.

>>176235156
i no longer feel clever or original, thanks reddit

>>176235282
it'll disappear, though if you screw somebody up and they hate you for it while you're a purifier they'll remember that

So, biological ascension is the best, but it's boring as fuck?

Shame.

>>176235282
Depends if you commit any genocide. Committing Genocide gives you a large penalty that's separate from FPurifier and won't go when you drop FPurifier. So don't kill loads of people, it's usually like -1000 with +2/year.

>>176235515
Not only is it boring but it takes a boatload of micromanagement to fully utilize.

>>176235503
Oh, great! Thanks, that's good to know.

I want the ability to rip and tear my way through galactic threats, should the need arise, and then go back to being isolationist geneticists.

Is there anything more cathartic than gene-modding a defeated Fallen Empire into Decadent, Industrious, Nerve-Stapled, Very Strong sub-sapient animals and then turning their homeworld into an enormous strip-mine?

>>176235120
I need an answer on this as well

>>176235673
worth it though for genebombing other empires.

>>176235673
I just use it to give every species in my empire identical traits, so that they're respectable at just about everything. An empire of JoATs.

>>176235827
1.6 should be fully compactable with 1.5 saves according to paradox.

that being said, you might wanna make a backup of the save just in case.

>>176235004
>>176235242
Ya dun goofed anon

Does mastery of terrain give you the tile blocker techs for free? If so, how does that work with research agreements? I just had a look at someone who has 18 more social techs than me but is on one planet, so I assume he took MoN.

>>176235971
Compatibility aside, how big of a clusterfuck is the new update? I'm already REEEEEEE-ing unironically at the changes to the Enigmatic Fortress

I am the anon that ran a ~50 year observation game last night. I decided to make it into a serious project.

I figure Huge Galaxy, but should it be Spiral galaxy or Elliptical galaxy?

Also, how many empires should I start off with? I was thinking 16-21 with 4 FE.

>>176235810
gene-modding a defeated Fallen Empire into Fertile Nerve-Stapled domestic servants

What are the best ethics for space romans? Who the byzantines empire has managed to restore the roman empire and later dominated the earth.
.

>>176236159
it doesn't seem like too much of a clusterfuck, the Enigmatic Fortress is the only part of the new update that i really fucking hate, but the rest of it is pretty nice bug fixing, minor new content, and quality of life changes.

>>176236159
>>176235971
The changes is what makes me pause, I am just starting up playing and it seems to be a MP balance update, but I don't need that as I play SP.

>>176236159
I like that you dont have to be egalitarian to make a corp govt any more, I dont like the nerf to warp and habitats

If i make contact with the Shroud am i forced to make one covenant?

>>176236280
fanatic militarist, spiritualist

>>176236238
Yeah, you win.

Will 1.6 decrease the amount of time it takes to construct robots/droids/synths?

That's really the only thing keeping me from enjoying the Synthetic Ascendancy.

>>176236528
What are they doing to warp to nerf it?

>>176236528
>I dont like the nerf to warp and habitats.

What, whoa, what's happening?

>>176236703
Habitats will now require monthly influence to maintain, and I think they bumped up the cooldown on Warp, as if it isn't already long.

>>176236860
>Habitats will now require monthly influence to maintain

Where does it say this in the patch notes?

>>176236860
>Habitats will now require monthly influence to maintain
Jesus, just make them more expensive to build if you think it overpowered. Influence is already too easy to get to negative.

>>176237026
im sure someone will mod it out right away
if not ill look for it myself in the game files

>>176236682
>>176236703
from what i read warp is even slower and habs are now more minerals less energy and science, probably to try and make dysons look more appealing
if they make constructs siphon influence thatll make them totally useless

>>176230018
The FE is one of those stupid tech ones though so it's fine to expand down there.

>>176236860
>Hey, Paradox, it's more efficient to build Habitats then you're under-powered megastructers. Can we get the megastructures earlier, or could they be more powerful overall?

>No, but we'll nerf habitats and punish you for using them.

Fuck Paradox.

>>176237116
>>176237224
Yep, I will have to find or mod myself the influence cost and the warp slowdown. Once you get wide warp is painfully slow. As in spending a year to get to one side of your empire to the other.

>every time someone says habitats cost influence per month
>they never provide a source to this obvious bullshit claim

>>176237314
>say that paradox is bad at their jobs on the forums
>mods get mad
>paradox continues being bad at their jobs

Wew

>>176237314
I'm going to do it myself.

>Your*.

Sorry about that. I was typing angry.

>>176237314
single-player balance is not a valid argument
t.johan

So, if Warp is getting even slower, that means I should go back to using Wormholes, right?

>>176236581
>Will 1.6 decrease the amount of time it takes to construct robots/droids/synths?

I would love to hear an answer to this, myself.

hey folks, gonna buy stellaris tomorrow. any tips for a completely noob in it?
I play CK2 a lot, if it helps.

>>176237596
Wormhole is boss so you should be using it anyway.

>>176237596
You know what's funny. I actually convert entire sectors into robot places because humans are expensive to mantain and that i don't like having aliens within my empire just humans and robots.

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>>176237497
> Building a megastructure in multiplayer

>>176237769
Why is that a bad thing?

>>176237596

>added country_robot_build_speed_mult country modifier

Safe to say that even if Paradox don't add it in through a civic or something, then some mod will now it's possible.

>MP
fuck off normies

>>176237865
Why not just make the various construction speed increases apply to robots?

>>176237684
Could you explain why?

>>176238035

Probably because having a powerful species that doesn't cost food being able to grow with like +166% speed would be a tad OP.

>>176238164
Well we need SOMETHING because building them takes for-fucking EVER.

It's actually worse to upgrade your own species beyond Cybernetic, because then you lose the ability to produce two pops on a planet at once.

>>176238164
That's what I want though.

>>176238035
Hyperlane forces you to travel on pre-determined paths that can be very easily blocked if you're unlucky, not to mention you could very easily need to take a circuitous route to a nearby system when with Warp or Wormhole you could just jump directly there. There's no reason to use Hyperlane unless you're playing a Hyperlane only game.
Warp has a long wind-up/wind-down period, which in itself wouldn't be so bad if it didn't also have a relatively small starter range and a slow transit time. Wind-up + transit + wind-down adds up, making Warp very slow. But it's still loads better than Hyperlane because it gives you freedom of movement.
Wormhole is boss because its two major drawbacks (needing a wormhole station to jump/taking longer to jump with larger fleets) are easily handled. If you can deal with sending your construction ships to develop the infrasctructure you can easily cover a major portion of the galaxy without even leaving your empire's borders. And the increasing wind-up speed due to fleet size can be dealt with by splitting up your fleets instead of trying to drab the deathball through the galaxy all at once.

>>176238289
This. Maybe I'm just bad but synthetic evolution feels terrible unless 99% of your planets are managed by sectors, since you have to build every single pop and it takes forever to do. I really liked the idea of synthetic evolution but I typically stop at cyborgs or go one of the other two paths.

synthetic evolution isnt worth a permanent civic imo
i cant just find some pre-sentient with the minerals trait and uplift them

>>176238457
Thanks, dude.

>>176239441
Didn't they say in a stream that both related ascendance perks will increase the construction rate of robots/droids/synths, as well as making them less expensive?

I'm hoping for a pretty significant bonus, like a +25% increase each time, so that by the time you're fully synthetic it only takes you half as long to construct new synths.

>>176239664
tbqh I don't watch the streams. If it isn't in print somewhere, I haven't heard about it. That would be very nice though, if that's the case.

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I hate these furries fucks.

Pros :
>no healer (therefore no weak point that the AI will focus on)
>siege units are melee, therefore harder to take down
>good battlegear that doesn't require microgestion
>prolly best tower skill ever
>early well
>druidess are best ranged units in the game

Cons:
>no healer (meaning that the enemy knows you'll need time to recover)
>needs a ludicrous amount of water
>ranged units are shit, even ballistamen
>most melee units are shit too and die very easily
>Diggers are complete trash and barely useful in skirmish
>buildings are fucking ugly

They're the best allies, but by themselves, they're pretty meh.

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Cybernetic hive-minds.

>>176240095
why are you posting this here

also lotus were op

>>176240265
I like it.

>>176240375
Because it's a RTS.
Also, Lotus was crap. Serpent was the shit. Mass Musketeers and explosive shots will level all your shit.
But I still prefer the Dragon. They are classy.

>>176231843
I've been wanting have people post races and emps to make in my pool then start an observe game and see which 4Xanon is best.

>>176240675
I've been wanting to do the same, I genuinely want to improve my take on the commonwealth of man as i believe it could be better.
>>176231749
>>176231749
>>176231749
>>176231749

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Why there isn't an option of mind control or parasite infection to hive mind empires?

>>176241370
Well there's the genetic manipulation to give the Hive Minded trait. It'd be pretty cool to have a Hive Mind type that relies on parasites (like that mind worm in the Molluscoid appearance menu) that can just puppet existing pops, though.

>>176223603
>Naboo System System

i edited a save game to change an empires portraits and now every pop uses just one outfit per species
the fuck

>>176242310
every pop in the galaxy, not just the one empire

>>176242310
hmm
i just looked at multiple save games that werent mine and i guess thats normal for most races

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Where the fuck are biological weapons and ships,


Why is my hivemind in normal ass ships fuck

>>176239664

at least the improved population mod exists and has an option to auto build robots , applies to ascended synths so you dont have to click once per tile

the bad side is that it auto builds ( queue ) 25 synths at the time raping your energy stockpile

is civ 6 good
should i buy it

>>176243281
No.

>>176243281
no
no

>go to war with 2 federations at once, shit takes two hours to resolve
>come out of it with 4 more vassals
>i am literally surrounded by vassals
>the ai doesn't take this into account to form some kind of vassal alliance to fight me
BIGGEST disappointment so far.

When is 1.6 coming out?

>>176243713

They will , i had two big vassal revolt wars in my last game that ended with a domination victory

once their catch up with research and IF you loose most of your fleet the negative " relative power of empires " will reach 100 or more

then they'll declare war as a coalition , I had to put 3 fortresses over each spaceport of all my vassals to win them

this happened many times as with ISB mod fallen empires start with multiple 100k + fleets and I was doing suicidal attempts every 10 years to wear them down , the revolt wars happened in between

>>176243713
Federation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSZFV74kGks

>>176243281
yes
yes, since it's on sale. On the other hand you might want to wait for the Steam Summer Sale; I'm sure the price will go down even further.

>>176243269
>Miss playing Sword of the Stars
>Half my fleet had top tier chem weapons
>I would gas empires to cede
Mod when?

apparently 1.5.1 just rolled out, had "outdated mod warnings"

Why can't I have slaves be hivemind but full citizen pops free minded?
I guess staples will have to do.

In CIV5 is there anyway to make snow tiles useful? I'm on a tilted Axis map as Poland so I started near the frozen region and there's just this just frozen wasteland to the north of me full of barbarians trying to invade my peninsula. I don't want to colonize it because apparently snow is more worthless than desert for whatever reason.

>>176240645
>rts
>in the 4x thread

???

>176245007
>can't read the OP
Not worth a (You).

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>fanatic purifiers

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I know most of you only look at the OP to whine and cry at the picture, but once in a while, you should actually read it. It might enlighten you on what /civ4xg/ is about.
I know it's asking a lot, but try to read it, just once.

>>176245489
maybe if you didn't put up a picture you know will get others to complain and avoid reading the OP, you should try posting something more on-topic
I know it's asking a lot, but try to do that, just once

>>176245828
So you admit you don't read the OP. You only bitch about the picture.

Maybe if you tried to grew up and accept the idea that you're not always right, things would go better, but sadly, you think your opinion is so worthwhile that you must throw it at everyone.

>>176245960
I don't know why you're getting so hostile over a legitimate suggestion
if it's proven to make others complain, maybe it isn't the best thing to do

>>176246138
And I don't know why you cry so much over the picture and yet are unable to read the entire OP.

>>176246229
I don't know where you get your assumptions from, but you're still dodging my point
it's almost as if your entire goal is to incite reactions

>>176246374
And you're still avoiding mine : why are people still whining about rts despite the OP?

>>176223603
I've been wanting to say this for a few threads now, it's Tatooine.

>>176246454
I can't speak for them, considering it's right at the top

>>176246567
Then why am I talking to you? I wanted to indirectly address >>176245007 who was confused about rts in this thread, considering we already talked about Supreme Commander a few threads ago, and considering the general's tags.

There's always that one guy whining about the OP, but I see many people still skipping it.
So I'll keep using Kumo. If it makes people read the opening post, it's a win/win situation.

I'm an egalitarian and I think that all strategy games without a general should be welcomed.
but should still be ridiculed.

>>176245489
you seriously need to fuck off

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>>176246821
If we make a general for every strategy games, we'll need several boards and twenty pages.

>>176246821
I'm an authoritarian and I would like to formally invite you to tour our new deep core mines.

>>176247050
I'm a spiritualist and I think you're a pretty swell guy, as long as you're not materialist swine

>>176247184
I'm a materialist and your opinion is nothing more than electrochemical impulses racing through a vessel whose only purpose is self-propagation.

>>176247184

I'm materialist and bring dubs to establish my technical superiority

>>176247405
>materialists once again btfo by spiritualists

we're faggots and think that multiplayer balance>singleplayer balance even though no one fucking plays multiplayer.

>>176247362
I'm a spiritualist, still, and your opinion is nothing more than a lie attempting to deceive me on my path to transcending from my mortal shell
>>176247405
you are like little baby

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How do I make Stellaris mods so that I can finally make a portrait for my waifu Maou?

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>>176247486
I'm a... I dunno. I need to make a Kumo civilization first.
But I think people should read the OP and not scare city-builders or rts players away.

By the way, any mod to add to Stellaris' pastebin?

What leader do you want on the next Civ IV DLC?

I want Indira Gandhi

>>176247876
>Civ IV
Dude...

>>176247929
VI, I mean

But I'll take a new expansion pack for IV if I can get one

>>176243281
no
not yet

It'll be like civ 5, shit until the expansions come out.

I really wish this wasn't /stelg/ but civ 6 is really fucking bad and all other 4x are dead so there isn't anything else to talk about unfortunately

>>176248517
ES2 releases in less than two weeks.

How do you roleplay the best, when you got nothing to do and you're just staring at the screen as the years go by?

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>>176248517
HEROES NEVER DIE

>>176248773
AYO WHATS THIS THEN

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>>176248854
After The Empire.
A weird game where you're mostly passive.

BUT FINE
WHAT ABOUT DISTANT WORLDS
EVERYONE LOVE DISTANT WORLDS

>>176243276
That's being fixed. They only start draining energy once they're constructed.

>>176248950
no, you tell me more about this after the empire game instead

also

>THE GUILD 3 FUCKING NEVER

AAAAAHHHHHH

So, apparently now Hive Minds will be able to take planets in warefare and NOT purge the natives.

Can other empires do that too? Win empty planets in a war? If so, how?

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>1 am in johan land
WHERES MY FUCKIN 1.6

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>>176248950
Shit I only noticed that F12 hides the UI.
I guess all my screenshots are dead.

>>176249031
THAT REMINDS ME
I STILL HAVE THE GUILD 2
I HAVE TO PLAY IT
ALSO, AFTER THE EMPIRE:
>Steam
>small unexpensive game
>mostly passive because you don't really build stuff, you allot points for construction, so unless you plan to minmax, you don't need to touch them
>you basically expand by waging war
>there are three kinds of war : military, crypto, and glory
>you're usually good at one but shit at other
>depending from your basic ethics, you're automatically at war against AI wi conflicting ethics
>it's all about percentage, once a system has more than 100% war, it begins losing civilizations
>once it has zero civilizations, it's captured
>story is that robots were left behind after their master ascended
>one message from beyond the veil arrived
>robots read it
>0,001 second later, they start a massive galactic war because they don't agree on the content of the message
I found it pretty passive, but I only played it on the lowest difficulty. I suppose there's strategy involved when you play in harder mode.

>>176249305
what

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Setting up a big observation game.

>>176249559
Crud, what didn't I explain?

I'd like to be able to take a planet in a war without purging the natives. Is there a way to do that?

Is there an 'Abandon Planet' wargoal?

what's the most autistic space colonization 4x around that's not too dated?

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Galactic Civilizations, I guess. The ship customization system is very spooky.