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RIP in peace dragon memes edition
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>Grandmaster rank soon
>New Magical Girl Collaboration project


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>>176165436
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Luna!
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Who else only logs in for dailies anymore
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Shadowniggers
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>>176210252
I did until discovering suicide blood was fun and now i'm spamming it for points in the feeble hope that I land in the top 10k at the end of the month
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>>176210151
What if it's a sub 30% winrate deck? What's then, anon, huh?
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Good morning, /svg/!
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>>176210252
My hatred towards shadowniggers fuels me to keep playing.
I must keep gassing all of them.
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Dragon players are the most obnoxious and childish posters
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>inb4 another 1 win mission
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Now post the other 10 times you've lost :^)
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Which one anons?
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>>176210482
stop posting ugly eris
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>>176210496
Left if you want to go 5-0
Right if you don't want to be cancer
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shoutout to the anon who posted this, climbed to 3k mp with the 2nd deck after being stuck at 1k mp with midrange shadow
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>>176210496
All ourobos unless it's against something like bahamut/olivia and paired with flute
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>Virgin Soul twitter currently has 46K follower

4k more and we get 5 packs guys!!
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>>176210496
Left
Oroboros wins you games with infinite value. sure Dragonslayer's price might be the worst gold card in the game but Neptune is meh and salamander is great but no Oro tier.
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>t2 oracle
>t3 oracle
>t4 fervor
ree this game
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>>176210578
>storm grail
Why?
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>>176210252
I kind of want the 10 packs but I can't play the decks I want to play when shadow makes up near 40% of the ladder. The only thing I might try is storm-aegis-grail haven hybrids. Those decks look pretty decent and seem to do alright against both shadow and dragon.
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>>176210482
That's a nice smug reaction to use on Dragon players who think they're not a part of the cancer meta.
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>>176210627
Looks like nobody cares enough for free SV packs anymore.

Oh well.
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>played Pepe and cleared a daria-full board
>played dragon and managed to do oracle-top deck rahab on turn 3. Opponent immediately concedes

I feel utmost hatred and malice towards daria back on RoB, but now I feel guilty. It's so unfair.
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>>176210469
fuck

Which do I play first, /svg/? And what variation?
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>>176210678
How many points you think will be top 10k this season?
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>>176210252
I hate shadow so much I dedicate my life to destroying them with my wife Eris
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>>176210686
>Looks like nobody cares enough for free SV packs anymore.
Good. And hopefully no one is buying crystals anymore either.

Cygames needs to be sent a message.
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>>176210724
6-7k
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>>176210740
>Cygames needs to be sent a message
We need a stronger message
Like breaking all their smartphones and throwing them under Kimura's pillow
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Have you shown a Lunabab the light today, /svg/?
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>>176210728
You better run and hide in Argentina then or get trialed and executed, because the banishcaust is over, hag.
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>>176210792
Shit, that's doable. I'm almost halfway there and then I can relax. I thought it would be more like 8-9k because it's a rewards month
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>>176210252
Me

I actually spend more time playing Hearthstone than this game lately.
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>>176210850
>the banishcaust is over
Begone shadow
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>>176210850
Please, shadownigger.
Its only the beginning.
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>>176210792
That's fucking it?
Dead game.
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>>176210740
The message has been sent like two expacs ago lol.

They just refuse to acknowledge they're wrong and keep doing the opposite of what people actually want.
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>>176210286
I'm out of the loop. What's this suicide blood meme?
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>>176210836
I say we tie him to a chair and make him play 100 games against Shadow and 100 more against Dragon, all in a row at gunpoint.
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>>176211079
Kill yourself
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>>176211079
Hard mulligan for dealer or belphegor
proceed to shit out storm damage and floods
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>>176210673
Makes more sense than the StormAegis at least. You already have cards to pop the grail anyway, so it's a hardly a stretch to tech in 2 grail as a late wincon.
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>>176211079
Using cards that can quickly bring yourself in vengeance range to take advantage of cards with strong vengeance effects
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>>176210740
They don't seem to care and keep designing expansions to overbuff 1 or 2 classes rather than aim for balance.
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>under 1k rank
>23 days left for the season
>realizing the grind required to maintain it
I don't know if I can make it.
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>>176211331
Don't do it if you have to force yourself.
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>get two animated legendaries in the same day
>Mythril Golem and Wordwielder Ginger
You motherfucker
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>>176211331
Top 10k is pretty easy to achieve. But this meta is so cancerous that is seems very hard.
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My name's Lou. It's short for... Lou.
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>>176210291
It must be a pain removing those shoes
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>>176210673
quite a good backup win condition and also much needed boardclear since the list cuts lion spirit. well grail worked for me in quite a few cases against dragon where i was unable to close out the game with normal storm minions.
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>>176211446
It's okay, Ginger is getting support next expansion :^)
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>>176211523
About as much of a pain as it is to remove any long boots.
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>>176211510
Cute boy.
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>>176211331
I didn't even bother. 10 shitty packs full of nothing but silvers, as usual for me, are not worth playing this shit long enough each day. I only care about sleeves and I can easily lose 1000 points a day trying to get wins for anything that isn't dragon or shadow. Make it only shadow because I like like 12 legos for wallet dragon so I only play memes.
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>>176211538
And we've all seen what "support" means for Cygames. Better brace ourselves for the Ginger rape train.
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>dragonfags ramp to 10 PP
>start emoting like an asshole
Is this how you fuckers always do?
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>>176211586
Lou is a girl! GIRL!
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>accidentally clicked on an emote trying to drag a follower onto the board
>opponent concedes next turn

I'M SORRY
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>>176211707
Yes, I'm making fun of it now but it will probably be something on par of the spellboost followers that make Daria retarded.
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>still 46k followers
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>>176211156
I'd replace the 2 DoD and Soul Dominator for 3 stolen lives. You shouldn't need any 7pp cards for this deck.
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>>176211739
>>176211823
Really stimulates my hippocampus
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>>176211868
Not as long as bahamut and themis exist. No matter what board you can get, it's gonna be completwly gone next turn unless you somehow manage to pull 2 zeus 2 gilgamesh with her and that's a miricale in itself.
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>>176211901
I'd be hesitant to tamper with the deck because it's gotten me several winstreaks in mid-masters. I honestly think I value the hard removal+burn of DoD a lot more than Stolen Life, I might try it out in replacement of dominator though
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>>176211707
It would have to be pretty insanely broken to make a 9pp card for rune worthwhile, considering none of their current archetypes go past T8 besides dirt with a bad curve
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>>176211901
>stolen life
>good
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>saha's effect will only activate if it is turn 7+ (similar to sibyl)
>LB, zell, catacomb, thane, grimnir, rahab, goblin princess, zombie party all get hard nerfed
Anything giving board flood from this expansion needs to be nerfed
Anything giving board clear from this expansion needs to be nerfed
Cards like rahab and grimnir completely ruinthe tempo of the game
(80% win rate going first in tournament for all decks)
as long as saha can be played before turn 7, it is impossible to play a normal game thanks to israfil
The game devs know the game is at it's worst state in terms of balance and will fix it as soon as the tournament is over.
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>>176212012
It doesn't matter if they have storm, ginger's fanfare prevents your followers from attacking the enemy hero until the end of your turn.
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>>176210868
that's one fat vampoo
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Dark Jeanne is my wife!
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>>176212094
What tournament?
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>>176212012
All they need to do is to release more cards with ongoing or end of turn effects. Rune cards with effects similar to Elta, Lecia or evolved Lucifer.
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>>176212094
>>176212134
Oh. Then she's even more shit than I thought.
I guess my point double stands now.
You need some broken as fuck "end of turn" effects then.
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>tfw started arena in RoB
>now finishing my arena run in ToTG
Shadow's still pretty cancer with 2 Khawys.
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>>176212094
No just powercreep more stronger cards for rune,forest and sword
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>>176212094
>implying they'll touch saha

They'll nerf zell for dragon and orthus for shadow and call it a day
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So what can they print that would make Sybil and Hectar seem like do nothings and something that would have more class synergy and benefit than catacomb?
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>>176212175
>liking a blacked whore
KEK
U
C
K
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>>176212438
she got better
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>>176212394
blood moon
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>>176212216
They will, except they"ll make them neutral so dragon can benefit from them the most again :^)
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>>176212394
Well they printed cards that made Daria seem weak in comparison, so it's at least possible
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>>176212175
Do you feel that she's that essential in Storm Aggro haven?
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>>176212394
Amulet: Whenever the enemy restore defense kill a random enemy follower
Amulet: Whenever a enemy follower gain rush or +X/0 Deal 3 to all enemy followers
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>>176212394
Huge Sibyl-like spellboosting cards. Prepare your anus because it'll happen. I hate Rune as much as anyone else, but they need to get insane cards to recover from where are right now.
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>>176212034
It gives lethal to any 1pp follower you have left on the board.
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>>176212175
LITERALLY two games in a row

Can your wife do the same? I thought not.
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>>176212558
>amulet
So it's already shit.
It needs to be some follower that has fanfare: summon said amulet
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>consider buying some crystals
>they are actually really jewish with them

Why is there such a big gap between playing this game as f2p, which is nice, to paying for it at which point you realize they're super jewish with their prices?

It's so odd to me, there is no middle ground. 11 bucks gets you a mere 600 crystals, wow
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>>176212394
>forestcraft legendary
>9 mana
>6/6
>if two or more cards were played this turn, give all followers rush and ward
(sorry if it's not what you wanted, we were going to change it but one of our play testers asked "why?")
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>>176212686
I'm really tempted to get 3 packs of the cerb pre-built, cause I have no Cerbs nor Mordecai, Deaths Breath, or Phantom Howls.
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>>176212607
It's actually possible. Some retarded 5pp 4/5 that spellboosts like 5 times and then heals for 3 each time you play a spell that was spellboosted or some shit.
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>>176212686
why would anyone give cygames their money
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>>176212553
She's really good, it clears the boards of skellys and buff your creatures, mainyu and falcon die if not evolved but eh
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>>176212770
Well, go for it I guess, the shadow prebuilt is really good right now.

I wish we'd get the second set of prebuilts already. Bahamut x Tempest. Where the hell are they? I would actually most likely buy some of those.
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>>176212686
Yep. And they don't really give you shit worth buying either (except for a few pre-builts) so it feels even worse to buy crystals.

I'd also recommend not buying anything right now.
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>>176212553
Sometimes she hard to pull off for the damage combo without killing your dudes but a lot of times you'll find her 2 damage board clear to be pretty relevant.
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>>176212686
Because the only reason to buy shit is if you're a turbo whale that wants animated leggos.
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>>176212830
It's funny how many sneezed at her in the first two weeks, and lo, now she is praised when she is meta.
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>>176212830
You use Mainyus? Mind if I see your list?
inb4 >its muh top secret climbing list
it's fine, I have my own storm haven but im making do with what i got, like gabes and moon bunny.

Would Wind God see good play in the storm haven deck?
>>176212907
I see I see. I'll maybe craft one to replace my Gabe.
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>>176212686
Prebuilts are good value if you're a new player. I buy crystals for the daily deal. I can save gold for the next exp while unpacking ToG everyday. It's not exactly fast for a new player but it provides good value I guess.
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>>176212670
>can your wife do the same
call me when you're on a 20 win streak like I did with my sweety roach
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>>176212607
What is even the problem with rune now? Is it all the huge heals and rwmoval dragon had because Dorothy can still work relatively well against everything else, except haven.
Dshift always lost to aggro and dirt was always horrible.
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>runecraft legendary
>6pp 5/5->7-7
>fanfare: copies the fanfare of a follower in your hand
Cygames should hire me
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>>176212686
Buying packs outside the daily deal is not worth it. I only buy some crystals at the start of an expac and just do the daily deal for the first two weeks.
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>>176210673
2 damage is usually enough to clean boards in conjuction with storm and scripture. Garuda pops it.
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>50 crystals cost 0.99 (1.98 cents per crystal)
>300 crystals cost 5.99 (1.99 cents per crystal)
>600 crystals cost 10.99 (1.83 cents per crystal
>1200 crystals cost 20.99 (1.74 cents per crystal)
>2400 crystals cost 39.99 (1.66 cents per crystal)
>5000 crystals cost 79.99 (1.59 cents per crystal)
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Not even hearthstones Shaman meta was ever as bad as 38%

hahaha hope you enjoy your shitty gook balance fags
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>>176213114
>turn 6 satan
>turn 6 bahamut
inb4 dragon
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Quick, pick a standard cards that should be add in the Hall of fame list.
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>>176213078
Tempo just can't end it before dragon gets to its big cards and it can't end it before shadow ends it. Ramp dragon was supposed to be a counter to Daria in RoB and it's even stronger now, but Rune didn't get anything as good in ToG
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>>176210578
can dark jeanne be replaced for a budget version?
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>>176213078
Rune is one of the most vulnerable classes against Shadow. Rune wants to remove followers and Shadow has sticky followers. Even a single Attendant of Night is a fucking nightmare for Rune and he's not even that meta right now.

Other than that, Rune has DShift as its best deck and it can't even be positive against Dragon since ToG. Dirt Rune is eternally awful, and the archetype got singlehandedly killed by Grimnir. Daria isn't that good of a deck with the PR nerf, and with Dragon/Haven being so prevalent, Daria is a very bad meta pick. Daria had a sub 50% winrate against Dragon/Haven even before ToG happened, so it's even worse now.
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>>176213224
>classes that see less than 2% of play
lmfao
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>>176212981
That low cost ping the whole board and buff your storm made it way too good especially with midrange shadow. They can't even get a death's breath against it because of banishcaust.

>>176213431
Yeah run themis instead.
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>>176213265
otomemer
literally killed this game multiple times
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>>176213224
>7 classes vs 9 classes
Gee I wonder if its easier for a smaller amount of classes to have a higher play%??
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>>176210252
i dont even log in daily anymore.
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How is Cygames planning to undo Tempest of The Gods? or is this game just fucked
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>>176213715
The same way they undid RoB? Brainlet
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>>176213224
that graph looks spastic as hell
I guess that's what happens when rotation kills the only card keeping a class alive
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>>176213224
>1/9 versus 1/7
>classes with literally less than 2% playrate
Braindamaged
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>>176213431
i might use lion spirit
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>Sibyl is now a 3/4
>Breath of the Salamander does 4 and 2 instead of 5 and 2 damage
>Eachtar is now 8pp
>Prince only puts skeletons inside of other followers, not himself
>Deepwood Anomaly can't be targeted by spells or effects
>Grimnir's enhance now does 2+2 damage instead of 1+1+1+1

Wow, I fixed the game.
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>>176212686
don't ever buy packs with crystals unless you have money to splurge. buy prebuilds.
i hope they make new ones soon.
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>>176214184
I need new prebuilts, the ones they have right now standard x darkness don't have anything I need.
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>>176212996
I use this which is the same list that some anons posted here except the doggo that can have ward, I prefer Reno desu
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is it just me, or do storm haven decks just seem like a coin flip? Like either I get a decent curve and just curbstomp the other dude, or I brick and get rolled in 5 turns, or fall too behind and have no chance by 10pp.

obviously every deck can brick but it just seems so extreme with this deck, moreso than others.
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>>176214160
Grimnir change literally doesn't matter for anything other than meme dragon amulet decks.
The card should just be removed.
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>>176214289
Isn't all of life just one big coin flip?
>win coin flip by being born female
congratulations life solved itself for you, you don't have to do anything other than put makeup on and mooch
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>>176214268
Replace bunnies with Urd and you're set
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>>176214402
I never liked Urd and cunny bunny drives me crazy
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>>176214160
>>Breath of the Salamander does 4 and 2 instead of 5 and 2 damage
Unnecessary.
>>Prince only puts skeletons inside of other followers, not himself
Too tame. Prince can get gutted and MidShadow as is would still be a solid deck.
>>Grimnir's enhance now does 2+2 damage instead of 1+1+1+1
I have a better one, we delete Grimnir from the game.

Also you forgot about Zell.
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>>176214160
>Deepwood Anomaly can't be targeted by spells or effects
I wonder who is behind this post...
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>>176210128
>Don't want to rank up because it'll be impossible to play actual meme decks
>Unranked is filled with tryhard netdecks trying to get through their dailies asap
>Seer's gloves and sleeves
God fucking shitcunts
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>>176214541
Half the reason mid shadow is a thing is because catacomb guarantees bodies on the board to be used with Hector, Reaper food or buff targets for the dogs.
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>>176212268
Grant me meme magic /svg/!
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the nerf this time will hit harder than last time or they won't be able to balance the playrates. agree?
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>>176214289
If you get out early beastcall Arias and accelerate one of them you tend to steam roll most opponents. The deck sometimes has trouble when it doesn't draw its amulets though. Can't put enough pressure on decks like Dragon without them.
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>>176214732
do it my dude
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>>176214732
Oh no, I jinxed it!
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>>176214732
take my energy
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>>176214732
I hope you lose connection just when you're going to deliver lethal and lose
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Zeus is actually way better than I thought he would be
10 health ward, that does something is really nice
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>>176210230
>Crafted 2 tyrants the other day
Feels good to meme
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>>176214791
>>176214795
>>176214859
>>176214860
>Against another enemy Luna
>Went 2nd
>He doesn't play anything Turn 1
The win's in the bag, boys
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>>176214732
I will lend you my energy AFTER you've explained that cancerous vomit green border.
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>>176214160
Better would be
>Sibyl is now 2/4 like her Haven equivalent
>Eachtar zombies cost 4 shadows and he costs 8pp
>Prince need 1 shadow for each skeleton
>Grimnir is 2/2 and enhance costs 9pp but deal 1+1+1
>zell costs 3pp
>Eris sleeves are added to the game
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>>176214679
Yeah but that nerf in particular is way too tame. Wow, you get one less shadow, how terrible!
Unless you're also tuning other cards, but Cygames would never do that because it means giving away more vials, so you need to basically focus on one or two cards.

I'd love them to prove me wrong and they end up nerfing a legendary for the first time.
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>>176214758
I hope it doesn't hit shadow too hard but yeah it should hit somewhat hard. The worst nerf in the game still goes to forest only board clear due to "bouncing is unfun"
second worst (goblin mage) absolutely killed forest as a whole
this poor classes only win condition has be a fucking 2 drop since the start of the game and they don't have the decency to at least replace it instead of killing it
same goes for homecoming
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>>176215059
You suck at balancing, you just made all of those cards dead
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>>176214965
don't jinx yourself my dude
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>>176214965
did you take luna's cock yet?
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>>176215092
leet
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>>176215260
>>176215213
T-This is taking longer than I thought....
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>>176215115
>Radiance angel is 2/4 5pp, heal 3, draw a card
>it's okay
>Sibyl is 2/4 5pp heal 3/turn, gain pp
>DED CARD, IT CAN"T BE IN LINE WITH OTHER STATS OF OTHER CLASSES

>all cards that make zombies have cost 4 shadows
>if you give eachtar 4 shadows zombies he's dead card, HE HAS TO BE UNBALANCED

>Zell costs as much as his blood equivalent
>NO, HE CAN'T BE AS WEAK AS BLOOD

fuck you
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I'm about to vial

1 animated prince of darkness (leaving me with 1)
2 zeus (leaving me with 1)
1 imperial dragoon (leaving me with 0)
2 bloodhungry matriarch (leaving me with 1)
1 beast dominator (leaving me with 0)
1 sun oracle pascale (leaving me with 0)

for a total of 9500 vials which should be enough combined with the vials I have right now so I can craft 3 neps, a mordecai, 2 ledgers and a few assorted things to finish my dream of playing nep
How much will I regret this? I bet in a month or two I'll go "I wish I had this legendary I vialed back then"
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>>176215098
At this point I'm just doing dailies and hoarding for the next expansion because the best part of this game is opening packs.
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>>176215352
If a dragon card isn't a do everything, then it's shit. Should've realized it long ago by how dragoncucks are always acting.
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>>176215532
Just don't.
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>>176215532
I don't think you'll regret it for the rest of the expansion, but who knows how good or bad nep might become next xpac. Good luck!
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>>176215628
But I keep opening bahamut packs every day and never getting any neps ever
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>>176215352
I despise all of those cards with a fucking passion and hope they are ripped apart by nerfs. That said your comparisons are bad.
Sibyl's effects are locked behind two different restrictions.
Hector I can't defend other than that a nerf to Catacomb/shadow generation would make him harder to use fully every single time he's played.
Zell's effect is locked behind both overflow and evolve, while Laura's is only Vengeance.
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>>176215532
>animated satan
stopped reading right there
you're out of your mind
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>>176215532
>8 (eight) legendaries
>not even all meme ones
>for nepnep
wouldn't do it.
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>>176215213
>>176215260
>>176214965
>>176214989
>>176214860
>>176214859
>>176214795
>>176214791
>tfw eachtard

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
IM SORRY FOR WASTING YOUR MEME MAGIC
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>>176215687
Next time bud
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>>176215663
Fine, make Zell a 3pp then :^)
Even better.
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Block your path
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3pp 2/3 Dragoncraft follower
Fanfare: Summon a Dracomaner's Rites if there isn't an aliied one in play
If this card is Discarded summon a Dracomaner's Rites if there isn't an aliied one in play

Would this save disco dragon?
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>Win 4 with Rune or Blood
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>>176215663
>make zell only work with dragoncraft cards
>dragon is now forced to use their own cards instead of relying on the saha package
There you go, it's a good card now.

Eachtar zombies costing 4 shadows is only fair, couple that with a Catacomb nerf and you get a fair deck imo.
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why are people actually complaining about hector
he's the second most balanced finisher next to sage commander
you need a large pool of shadow to get any board with him and taking away catacomb removes those shadows altogether
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>literally win by playing three enhanced grimmnirs in a row

this guy could be a fucking lego.
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>>176215663
>Zell's effect is locked behind both overflow and evolve, while Laura's is only Vengeance
Funny but I don't think "restricted behind overflow" is actually a real problem, since you won't give your 1-5pp followers storm with him anyway. Also vengeance is much difficult condition then evolve and overflow, since you risk dying if you are on low health but stalling with spells to save evolve for 11 face damage, 4/4 and 8/4 bodies
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Alright, might as well start a new arena.
Which of these is the best in the current meta?
>Forest
>Rune
>Blood
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>>176215687
serves you right, shadowfag
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Is there an up to date T2 guide?
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>>176215856
It should put a Draco Rites from your deck into play rather than summoning it. Other than that, it seems good. Consistency is key to make any deck viable.
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>Play against Dragoncraft
>T2 Dragon Oracle
>T3 Dragon Oracle
>Leave
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>>176215785
>>176215959
>>176216018
I think I want Zell to be a 3 pp 2/2 that gains no stats on evolve. That way these retarded dragonfags actually have to sacrifice deck room for their stupid combo. It makes up for the fact that Grimnir is a boardclear and an on-stat ward for them.
No idea how to nerf Sibyl, that card is just fundamentally broken on all levels but cygames won't nerf legendaries
Catacomb should be Necromancy (3) all followers gain last words so it's an actual tech card and not a 3 pp win the board forever
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>>176215687
never get cocky in take 2
you'll get that 5-0 without even trying, it's just a matter of time and luck
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>>176216018
Laura is also a 3pp don't forget.
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>>176215986

because it's impossible to keep a clean board against shadow, meaning you get to eat that +2 attack buff to face.
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>>176215856
>power-creeping an amulet that hard

Yeah it might make it work but the problem is still consistency of drawing the follower. If you shove both the follower and amulet in the deck then you have too many dead cards.

Amulet decks main problem is consistency.
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>>176215687
Wanna tell us how did you lose that game?
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>>176215950
You should get that done in no time with any aggro blood deck
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>>176215986
Because he's a fucking finisher, board flood, and board clear all in one. Within the context of his decktype he's far and away one of the single most powerful cards in the game
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>>176215856
yes
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>>176216221
Yup, no time at all
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>>176214389
don't we all just want to be the little girl tho?
>>176214775
yeah that's exactly how i feel about it. guess it's not just me then
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>>176215986
>and taking away catacomb removes those shadows altogether
But you don't want to make Catacomb so bad he becomes unplayable, you want him to be fair. But for that to happen I think you need to look at other cards as well, and that card is Eachtar.

Same happens in Dragon because there isn't a single card carrying the class. I might be wrong though.
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>>176216286
post your deck lol
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>>176211113
>He repeatedly hits 10+ streaks with laelia and the order of the lusty busty battle nuns havencraft
>Puts up his record on twatter
>Shittalks everyone for being bitch niggas when it's their turn to do real nigga shit
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>>176216165
I was mostly unable to finish after he got an immortal thane. Then, we went trading and topdecking for some time until he unleashed Eachtar.
The Eachtar gave him enough power to rush past my ward wall, although I could have built it better.
I knew it was coming and was afraid of it, but was unable to capitalize on any distinct advantages due to some of my trash card picks.

All in all, worked pretty well considering I had no legos. I'll try blood in this new Arena, got a little tired of playing Forest back then
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>>176216304
Cygames will never nerf a legendary unless it's game breakingly broken. Even an overpowered piece of shit like Sibyl will never be nerfed
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>>176216045
forest
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>>176216128
And why is that impossible?
Catacomb.
This guy is keeping shadow relevant. Try playing midrange without him and see how many of the games you win and how many times you have actual board or shadows for Hector against something like dragon or haven.
Playing a lolisquisher or Death's breath would completely annihilate your shadow count for him. If they need to nerf something it's catacomb.
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>>176216365
>Blood has a mid 30% winrate vs shadow
>it's your deck's fault for losing in a 5 game sample size
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>>176215986
You're right, you know what we need? A 7pp 5/6 follower that summons Enstatued seraph on table and destroys all allied followers and amulets on board. This will also be very viable and fair 7pp finisher
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Still learning how to webm. The 120s duration limit really threw a wrench in my plans, had to split this into two
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>>176211510
Makes you wonder how bad of a time she had before that she'd lie about her name though I can't imagine who'd bully a qt with such ogler bearing hips
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>>176216539
>plays lyrial before unica
What did he mean by this?
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>>176216556
>tfw only now realize it's the same girl
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>>176216556
>Not even wearing panties under her loosely fitting Unitard
s l u t
l
u
t
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>>176216539
Messed up the filename on that one
>>176216631
I was hoping he'd think I was aggro
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>>176216053
Get the most valuable cards and GG and you need a good curve
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>Sword running running greedy cyclone blade combos in his deck
Nothing pisses me off more in this game than people building decks that instantly lose against top tier decks so they can counter low tier 2 shit on the off chance they run into it.
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>>176216662
Oh shit, what the fuck? EmmyLou
>>176216756
Aggro and midrange still run Unica I think, but anyway keeping Lyrial means you can kill early Rahab with an evolve more easily
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>>176216539
>lol Sybil
>lol Sybil again
>lol I'm at 8 pp
>lol 2 for 4 trade at minimun
Fuck this retarded card.
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>>176212034
It's fun and it gives you 5 reach. It's even better when it's the perfect size for popping grimnir's without needing an EP/rush
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>>176216727
Gotta let your lady junk breathe or the clam beach gets issues
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>Have 3 fafnir
Should I just vial this budget Baha?
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>>176216831
You more or less win the game instantly if you draw multiple sibyls on curve.
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>>176217041
yes
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>>176217041
Nah, he's strong and will always be strong against greedy decks and as we go forward more people will get more token wide boards.. They can answer 2 big bodies. They can maybe answer 4. But they'll break and then they'll die. I like him in pendant decks too. he's gotten me a lot of wins by dropping them into grimnir/earthshock ogre lethal
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>>176217098
As much as I hate the card this isn't true, you can sometimes remove them if you draw perfect answers and shit. What I'm really, really sick of is how many followers in the game are just "YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THIS NEXT TURN OR YOU LOSE THE FUCKING GAME" which is just stupid design in my personal opinion
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>>176217041
He's unlikely to get better so probably.

His board clear capabilities are clearly obsoleted by Wrath Drake and Bahamut while his large statline is meaningless with the removal available nowadays as well as Ouroboros who spots his attack at 1 less cost and Bahamut who's 13/13 at 1 more.
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>>176216756
>wining only because you had 2 grimnirs.
When is this card going to get removed from the game since it ruins any deck identity since you're just going to use him as wincon.
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>5 matches going second in a row
wow I love to lose every fucking match while doing my dailies
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Being a dragonshitter is already pretty fucking gay. But being a faggot dragonshitter that actually waits for the turntimer to run out before force closing the game is worse.
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high roller shadow is going to be a legit deck in a few expansions
we just need more graveyard cards
so far there are only two
remember, every time you play a card like goblinmount/rahab it's as if you ramped that turn
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>>176216831
Except the stupidest card in that webm is by far grimnir

>both players get to 10 pp
>commence the grimnir war
If this card doesn't get nerfed then they're even stupider than I thought.
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>>176217293
It's going to get obsoleted outside of pendant going forward as class libraries fill out

>>176217330
Fuck off. Bandwagon shitters are childish cancer whatever they play. Don't lump us in with them.
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>>176217296
Man am I in the twilight zone. I haven't been here since. DE where everyone complained about t4 floral and baldy
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>>176217383
>Don't lump us in with them.
You aren't any better for playing cancer.
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>>176217330
and 6/7 turn 4 with a board is fair right
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>>176217445
Suck my 14/14 dick
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>>176217383
>It's going to get obsoleted outside of pendant going forward as class libraries fill out
This. I don't think people really appreciate how tiny the card pool is still
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>>176217330
What makes you think he couldn't have possibly disconnected for real?
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>>176217494
Atomy is broken according to you when combo'd with Elta
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>>176215532
Do it
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>>176217596
It is, except it needs 2 very specific cards and a full board for that, unlike AE where you can do whatever.
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>>176217540
Probably the part where he's getting styled on and his probably gonna get Feena'd then [angry roach noises] as far as he can tell. Awful convenient timing

>>176217494
>Durrgin does dickall, letting soccer mom build unlike entire expansions of denial
Yeah, it is fair. It's not his fault the bandwagoner chose to present himself
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>>176217531
Why would he concede there, he could trade everything into it with evo and coco or mimi.

Too intimated by angel crusher man he forgot he can trade?
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>>176217531
That's a big guy.
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>>176217749
Me shadow can only go face hurr durr
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>>176215532
You won't regret not having any of those cards, but you might regret spending the vials on nep

>>176217708
It's not that easy to get a 4/5 AE going 2nd and having it go uncontested until your next turn. You need your opponent to not do anything
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>>176217749
Pretty much. I like to think it was in respect for the memes rather than being such a braindead netdeck bandwagon shitter that he couldn't add
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>>176217749
He respected his memes and gave him the win.
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>>176217368
They'll just powercreep Grimnir, no reason to give people free vials.
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>>176217296
I just had 7 games going second. This game is fucking retarded games are decided by a coin flip and top 5 cards.
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>>176217368
>commence the grimnir war
how is a war if dragon start at t6
it's just a massacre
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>>176217929
Pretty much everyone needs Liza/sexton/Lecia's going forward to help as a tech choice against counters so you can have dank memes like this.
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>>176217723
>where he's getting styled on
If he had a Sybil in hand he would've be in a perfectly fine spot.
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>>176217330
>2017
>Tia
>>
I don't know if I've ever seen shadow not play Eachtar on turn 7 this expansion. I love cards that you can't play around and just have to pray they never draw
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I want a card game that gives you a full hand to mulligan as you want and every card can be used as either a creature, removal, or a source of mana. It would bring the highest level of play.
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>>176218326
dude just don't give him shadows ;)
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>>176218326
ようこそ シャドバースへ
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>>176218236
Too much potential with 0 fairies T5. And if you can't get the combo the bounce is great for grinding and survival in wolfbolt OTK.
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>>176218236
Away from here intruder!
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Fuck havencraft and their infinite removals.

I'm glad Luna is finally bending them the fuck over.
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>>176218236
I play Tia in Tempo Forest
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>>176218326
Yesterday I didn't draw either Eachtar or Catacomb 3 games in a row, all 3 were against mirrors where they did. Obviously lost all 3, closed the game and read a book for the rest of the afternoon.

Not being able to play any other class is pretty shit, but mirror match after mirror match is even fucking worse. Fuck this meta.
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>>176218574
>infinite removals
fuck Luna and the infinite skeletons
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>shadow lego
>6 mana
>4/4
>fanfare: select one of your cards that has been destroyed this game, put it into your hand and make it's cost 0
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>>176218853
>implying this game is complex enough for that
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>>176218853
>6pp do nothing
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>>176218938
I sincerely fucking hope it eventually is, this game makes hearthstone look like a game for intellectuals purely in terms of game mechanics
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>>176218853
>Haven gold amulet:
>4pp
>3 coundown
>if this amulet is banished win the game
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>>176219083
It's designed for fast games, you'll never get actual complexity here..
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Post upset lunapedos
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>>176219168
That didn't stop hearthstone.
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>>176219140
>this would actually be a powerful card in this meta
how did we get to this point?
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>>176219230
Hearthstone wasn't designed as a mobile game
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>>176219264
blame Elf
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>upload arena match on youtube and link it to last thread
>google account must have been logged in on phone
>new message sound
>unlock phone
>message pop up appears for a comment on video
>"kys dub cuck"

T-thanks
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>>176219281
>Hearthstone wasn't designed as a mobile game
???
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>>176219230
can you show what complexity you're talking about? Random-random random for random damage?
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>>176218743
I don't understand how do people climb to top 1000 when most games come down to coin flips and skilled draws? I checked out a replay of some 15k+ nip playing shadow and he gained a paltry 700 mp over 4 hrs. Wtf?
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>>176219518
You already know. Endless grind
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>>176219518
Please look forward to Grand Master rank! Coming soon.
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>>176219518
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>>176219345
Hearthstone was a PC game at first. Shadowverse was a mobile game at first.
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>>176218621
>Playing literally worse mid shadow/tempo bats
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>>176219674
And yet it was DESIGNED as a mobile game from the beginning.
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>>176219083
Regarding how they code their mechanics, that's very true. We're yet to see a card that lets you choose between 2 or 3 effects for example (they won't even let us choose when to activate enhance effects). I find solace in the fact that we'll never get literal pachinko cards that randomize a perfect answer or worse, a wincon out of the quantum void.
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>>176219768
>>
>In arena
>Shadowfag isn't AFK
>Just takes 3 minutes to make a move
>passes turns each times
Wow..... So this is...... the power.... of Luna.......
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>>176219861
Soon it will return
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>>176220067
Roost is never coming out of maintenance. They literally don't know how to balance Zell
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>>176220198
It was a gawain issue
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>>176219372
The game's shit but mechanically it's a lot more complex. There's systems that give you pop up menus and allow you make choices and there's effects that go beyond "When you play this card, it automatically does X based on this criteria." You can only print so many cards that only buff attack/defense or do damage without utility cards before your game gets fucking stale.

>>176219759
I need to do forest dailies and no one expects my list since it's an original
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>>176220050
Just alt-tab and fap between turns.
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>>176220215
Gawain issue with roost? Somehow I doubt it and they are covering their asses because Roost would make 13 face damage on turn 6 extremely easy to accomplish
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>>176220319
>just gave me my third and last win
I'll take what I get
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>>176220067
How did you get a zero cost roost here? 3 cavaliers?
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>>176220198
>roost it up
>next turn baha(5pp)->zell(1pp)->arriet(4pp) for 26 damage storm
I want my memes back
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>>176220486
Emissary and double cavalier
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>>176220571
This is exactly why it's in """maintenance""" you dirty memester
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>>176220227
Hearthstone actually is not complex at all, it has much less effects than SV. They have no graveyard and no extra resources outside mana, most effects don't go beyond "deal random damage/gain X stats". Only one class has "choose one" cards, while discover gives you completely random cards.

I've seen their most recent games, pirate warrior goes face no matter what, quest rogue is neutered-Elf, taunt warrior is ebbin curve-stone with deal 8 damage to random enemy
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Do my eye deceive me?
Could it be.....

a....

jojo reference?????
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>>176220324
>>176220571

This. We haven't even seen a real OTK dragon deck.
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>>176220571
>tfw hydra will never be good
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>>176220685
>>
How successful is dshift without merlin?

>>176220689
Double roost decks were the true thinking man's deck
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>>176220665
its actually more complicated, top hearthstone players have to study statistics in university before they can accurately predict the random card effects
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>>176220665
>it has much less effects than SV

who are you trying to fool
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>>176220859
And what do you think a guy like this >>176220067 has to study in university?
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>>176220829

It's functional, but your consistency goes down a bit and you lose a free spell boost.
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>>176220685
I don't see it.
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>>176220859
> to study statistics in university before they can accurately predict the random card effects
That's reminds me that year ago championship there was won by babbling book (Rune follower 1pp 1/1 fanfare: put random Mage Rune spell into your hand)
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>>176220665
But "random" is already a lot of effects.
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>>176220976
? thats a pretty obvious play, anyone would have done that
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>I hate hearthstone but can't stop talking about it

Who am I?
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>>176221082
a shitposter
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>>176220665
>Only one class has "choose one" cards
While I can't say I blame you for not being knowledgeable about hearthstone, at least don't go around spreading false info. Also, while discover is shit the point is they have that system in place. Shadowverse doesn't have anything like that, cards just randomly do their effect when you drop them based on a certain criteria. I just want cards that do something besides buffing/doing damage//healing/tutoring, it's getting really fucking boring. I want MTG-ish utility cards but those would require them adding extra systems such as what HS has but that's too much to ask of Cygames apparently.
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>>176220881
enlighten me, giving yourself random cards is not effect I'd like to see in SV
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>Used to complain about Otomeme + Sage Commander
>Now even Vengeance'd Maelstrom Serpent isn't enough
Did Cygames fix the powercreep?
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Is this game good yet?
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>>176221224
This isn't about which game has better effects, it's about which game has more of them. It's completely asinine to suggest that SV has more effects.
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Is he right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0LjJEqWunM
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>>176220996
I want delinquent Eris to beat the shit out of me, drag me into a public toilet and use me as a living dildo to pleasure herself
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>>176221082
/hsg/
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>>176221335
I'm not watching some losers video.
But if he says SV is shit right now then he's right.
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>>176221170
Are you retarded? Choose one is special keyword ONLY DRUID CARDS have you inbred retard
> I just want cards that do something besides buffing/doing damage/healing/tutoring
So why the fuck you bring HS that DOESN"T HAVE SOMETHING OUTSIDE THAT, if you're so smart show me the cards you want in SV that you find in HS
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>>176221335
i cant watch that filthy manchild
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>>176220996
Except that's a sukeban deka reference.
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>>176221335
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>>176221471
Why do you hate him???
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>>176221493
It's both, look at the hat.
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>>176221540
I hate everyone
But I hate people who advertise their shitty videos on here the most
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>>176221540
ugly, neckbeard, 1+mins at start of video is just his face talking into camera, poor quality webcam and/or recording/editing
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Anyone has a good Nep deck?
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>>176222143
>good Nep deck
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>>176222143
Fill the rest in yourself. Remember that putting shadowcraft 2s and 3s will mess with your ledger. Good luck.
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>>176221224
>Follower that lets you choose one of four buffs
>Card that lets you create a custom spell
>Card that lets your see into your opponent's deck and choose a card you want a copy of
>Card that lets you choose on summon between healing/utility that isn't gated behind a fucking evolve
>Card that effects turn length
>CARDS THAT LET YOU CHOOSE FROM MULTIPLE EFFECTS FOR ANYTHING
>The Jade archtype which a persistent mechanic throughout the game regardless of board state
>Interacting with your opponent's deck
>Weapon + Hero power systems
>The Secret mechanic as well as other cards that trigger upon something your opponent does on their turn (Yurius is a start)
The list goes on and on. The cards themselves are shit but the effects are coded in which could be reworked to something less (or not at all ideally) random.

>>176221468
If you want to be pedantic than yes, only Druid has the exact keyword "Choose one." Every class has access to cards that let you choose out of a list of static effects that never change though. As for cards I want, if you wanted a list I would much rather give you cards from MTG since HS cards aren't designs I would want ported 1:1 to HS. The important part is that cards from HS could be reworked with the existing systems that game has to be less/not random. Shadowverse doesn't have those systems yet because any player input besides dropping a card on board and evolving is too much complexity for baby Cygames devs.
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>>176210496
Would pick right if I already picked an Ouro beforehand
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87041
daily private match please help
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49640

Reverse Take 2
Do it
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Why 2 only 2 ledgers? Playing ledger past turn 4 is almost suicide.
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>>176221236
Yes. It was about persistent thicc-ness all along
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>>176222837
>>176222342
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>>176222837
It doesn't matter how many ledgers you play, nothing can save you from holy judgement
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>>176223074
>spliced 5 screenshots of a single game together
>all for the sake of momposting
>posted the same image 4 times

nys
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>>176222837
Basically just a turn 4 ledger to thin out your deck, get those shitty attendants out before you draw them. Sometimes to bullshit your way out of lethal with a khawy or drop a mordecai, but that rarely happens. 2 for more consistency on turn 4 and not to brick your hand with 3 of those fuckers.
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>draft the most insane deck I've ever drafted
>still lose one game because they drew their Eachtar first
Man, fuck that card. I was in control the entire time, too.
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Any dragon lists that aren't walletcraft? I need to get these dailies done.
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>>176223186
You first shadownigger
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>>176223328
just play wildfang OTK
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>try to Nep
>immediately run into the first snake meme I've seen the entire fucking month
>he perfect curves blood moon into Baphomet

So this is what countermatching feels like.
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do you guys think forte has hairy armpits
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>>176223526
Yes, and here's proof.
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>that random 5 at the end because I felt saucy and tried to pick Rune in T2
My life is regret.
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>>176210252
I don't even do that
This game is absolute fucking garbage now. Constructed is some of the least amount of fun I've ever had playing card games and arena is a complete fucking joke of a mode.
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>>176222372
"Choose to do X" is actually in SV, Wyvern Cavalier and Sahaquiel choose what card to affect, so technology is there, but not much used

>Card that lets your see into your opponent's deck and choose a card you want a copy of
Won't work in SV, since every class has very specialized cards with effects, for example only Blood has vengeance so any other craft won't benefit from extra effect and being below 10hp
>Interacting with your opponent's deck
No card in HS affects opponent deck beside drawing cards
>Weapon + Hero power systems
I disagree about weapon that any card game needs weapon mechanic
>The Jade archtype which a persistent mechanic throughout the game regardless of board state
I'm not sure why'd you want it, everyone knows it's worst thing every, Jades are most unfun shit they ever made, gaining bigger and bigger dudes was not liked. If you mean simply effects that stack outside of board state, who knows how it will go
>The Secret mechanic as well as other cards that trigger upon something your opponent does on their turn (Yurius is a start)
SV really needs more cards that do something on opponent turn or YGO style secrets, that's true
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>>176223526
Dragons don't have hairy armpits
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>>176223526
No but she might have scaly armpits instead.
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>>176223780
To be fair I hate weapons too, as I also hate most of the cards I listed. I listed them because the guy was saying hs only has random effects or things that are already in SV. I just really miss playing blue in mtg ok
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>>176222781
Good game. I'd do another but I only have time for one.

I was so confused at the start though. The shitty cards were almost the same as the ones I put in your draft I thought I somehow ended up with the one I made.
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>>176224051
Nah the one you made was far better than what I managed to draft
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>>176221242
Honestly considering their recent card design philosophy I don't think this game will ever be good again.
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>>176224121
Yeah those executioner axe's bricked me hard. I literally didn't draw a follower for 3 turns in a row. I don't know if I'm just bad at ruining drafts or I was just offered nothing truly horrible to pick from most of the time.
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>>176224516
I'm giving them 3~ more expansions to shape up. This isn't my first rodeo, you get used to patience with card games.
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>>176224516
Have some hope. It was only a little over a month ago when the meta was the best it ever was.
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>>176223780
Technically I think all of the classes have all of the mechanics, they just dont have cards using those mechanics (same idea behind ptp forest)
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>>176224618
Honestly this. It's not like I'm paying them any money anyway.
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>>176224618
>>176224646
I don't see how they're going to fix the current state of the game without massive balance changes though. I feel like anything they print to counter Dragon and Shadow will just end up making the game even worse, unless they actually print disruption
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>>176224646
>daria roach alberto face sword
>best meta
I dont like this meme
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>>176224019
I should also remind you that were SV is right now most of things you listen were not in HS, since you can account only Nax+GvG+BM
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>>176224646
>Daria and Aggro Sword
>Best meta
The best meta was standard. The game has gotten progressively worse every expansion. The only meta I can even see any argument for not being shit besides standard is DE
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>>176216539
There's a fast forward in the replay for a reason
Also you can speed up the video yourself via any video editing software.
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>Shadow
>Shadow
>Dragon
>Dragon
>Shadow

Alright, I'm quitting this garbage game. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I swear even Dariaverse had more deck diversity then the current meta. I'd ask if anybody recommends any other card games, but I've come to realize that all CCGs in general will become dogshit sooner or later.
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>>176224976
I too miss standard when two classes weren't even playable with how bad they were.
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>try to play nep
>Nep mirror
>maelstrom snakes
>Dshift
>go back to mid shadow
>nothing but dragon and fucking mirror matches all day

Seriously, fuck this fucking game. I wish it would just die so I don't feel inclined to collect my gold every day.
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>>176225020
See ya
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>>176225059
And now only two classes are playable! How times have changed.
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>>176225020
See you tomorrow
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>>176220996
Made in heaven.
You did actually read the source material right, anon?
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stop playing shadow
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>>176211510
My name is Lewd. It's short for... Lewd.
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>>176225393
How else am I going to make lunababs hate themselves?
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I don't see how the game recovers from this point without massive nerfings, bans, or rotations.
Dragon will always have insane ramp and 50000 board clears from this point on, and will continue to be oppressive as fuck for any deck that isn't aggro
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>win 3 forest/haven
>win 1 sword
>win 4 shadow/blood
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>>176225573
>win 3 forest/haven
My condolences
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>>176225510
They said they didn't want to add rotations this year, but who knows at this point.
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JAV when?
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>dragoncuck plays Aeila

Do I kill her or just ignore her?
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>tfw it's gotten so bad I don't even do dailies anymore
>tfw i just get on for the login bonus
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>>176225808
Blackened Scripture
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That's my third one.
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>>176225946
Tyrant memes call to you.
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>>176225808
yes
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12973

Need concede
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>>176225838
This.
Zero reason to grind Master Points because the rewards and the meta are pretty shit.
Zero reason to even hoard gold because the next expansion will probably somehow be worse.
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>>176226112
Arigatou!
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>>176225510
It's pretty easy. shadow is pulled into control with either better token enhancement ala ironwrought fortress and durability commanders or more fanfare pings and board clear like JO/haven. Dragon's a hot mess but there'll be more ways to smorc through them. Once class libraries get filled out more there will be more viable decks that will be cutting into them leading to a solid meta in a couple expansions where you can't dominate
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>>176226243
>Zero reason to even hoard gold because the next expansion will probably somehow be worse.
And if it's not worse I doubt it can undo the damage that's been done
>>176226412
>Dragon's a hot mess but there'll be more ways to smorc through them.
Oh boy I can't wait for the upcoming Dragon v Aggro meta
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Rope shadowniggers
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>>176225838
I already got the Sonia sleeves and I couldn't care less about Walfrid, so I'm done with ranked even if I have multiple Shadow decks. I just want to have fun, which I'm not, and couldn't care less about climbing.
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>no way to unbind from steam
Glad I can't sell this piece of shit game's account
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>>176226678
>quitting at 4k
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>>176226495
>Oh boy I can't wait for the upcoming Dragon v Aggro meta
You mean every meta up to this point? Control has never been viable, thanks to Roach and Dshift. Hell, up to this point even Dragon's best deck had been aggro.
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>>176226808
I'd like to know what you consider "viable". Dshift wouldn't have been viable because of aggro by that logic
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>>176225393
I cannot follow your advice this time, varg.
My lord calls for me.
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>>176226808
>You mean every meta up to this point?
What are you smoking? Dragon's only been tier 1 once before. There's been a ton of midrange decks and multiple control combo decks like Seraph around in past metas. The meta wasn't always this ridiculous game of extremes it's evolved into
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>>176226651
>tfw no righetous devil
>tfw can't justify crafting it since I only have 12 golds of dust
ffffuuuuuck
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>>176226747
Can't force myself to grind for more right now. Maybe later this month.
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>>176226934
That guy's a retard but control is 100% not viable anymore. Dragon wrecks all control decks and they're really clamping down on enforcing their shitty soft cap with cards like Aegis. You used to be able to play control even with DShift around but now? No fucking way in hell.
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>>176226495
Nothing short of rotation or radically changing the way certain cards work will save this game.
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>>176227117
Because aggro kept kept Dshift in check somewhat. Aggro does shit all against dragon, no matter how delusional Dragoncucks get after losing to a perfect hand aggro deck that one time they bricked and didn't ramp into Rahab.
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>20 Packs
>6 Golds
>0 Legos
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>>176226958
It's been tier 1 twice before I think. Once in standard with ramp satan and DE with face dragon. Though I started in early DE andhave only heard stories of ramp satan
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>>176227783
>Ramp Satan
Ramp Satan was a tier 3 gimmick deck. Midrange Dragon, what's now know ans Storm Ramp, was tier 1. Ramping into Forte and Genesis was hard to stop back in the old days, and Fafnir was around in case the storm plan didn't work out.
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>>176221335
Just skimmed through the video and didn't really care. He basically just said the games are too short which is understandable and something we've been talking about for a while. There is that sweet spot at around 5-6 minutes that the devs want the average game to last and I agree that is what the goal should be. Then he went on to say your decision making isn't mattering very much and that true but kind of ties in with the games being too short. It's also because stuff like the two top decks are just dump your hand until you win or remove the board until you play bahamut and then remove the board again. If the top decks changed this play style would change too.
Then I saw this in video suggestions and damn it made me angry.
https://youtu.be/6jOnIw6oVvg?t=126
look at this. Yeah I would be pissed too I I fought 3 demon lords in a row. But shit, he couldn't have possible played worse. There is a huge fucking difference between AA from now and the last time I was there. It's like AA is just an extension of B0 but with better decks. I don't know how someone can be this bad and then complain that it's the games fault.
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climbed my last 150 games with Nep Ledger Shadow

This doesn't make me a shadownigger r-right??
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i get shadow is cancer right now but playing it makes me feel really warm and happy
probably because it's the friendship class and i have no friends
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>>176228583
>i have no friends
Just like Luna!

Haha!
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>>176228583
I'll be your friend Shadowbro.
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>>176228583
>>176228639
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>>176228583
I'll be your friend, Anon-chan!
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>>176227890
Completely forgot about storm ramp. Has a satan deck ever been tier 1?
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>>176228198
I think them trying to make games 5-6 minutes long and less than 10 turns is what really fucked this game over hard. Fucking mobile pandering ruined what could have been a great game.
If people want short games they can just play aggro decks. Trying to make every game last that long non matter the archetype, and even completely killing one archetype because of it, is just fucking horrible design. Regardless of that guy's skill, he's 100% right: decision making has no place in this game anymore. It is 100% a battle of draw luck.
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>>176228583
You should come on my adventure!
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Honest question, why I win more easily with storm haven than with this deck?
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>>176228583
You should hang around Luna.
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>>176227386
high score is 56 packs without a lego
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The only time I actually skipped dailies was post nerf bahamut.
I was pretty pissed that the meta basically just shifted to sword aggro and stayed that way for a full month and right after I had finished dropping all my vials on the fotm decks. I was still grinding during daria and roach when I didn't have those decks and I am still grinding dailies now.
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>>176227117
>but control is 100% not viable anymore because these 2 control decks are better than my silly meme control decks
Just because control win cons are getting faster doesn't mean that control is dead.
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>>176229306
Tell me which control deck is viable now.
I'll wait.
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>>176229201
>0 (ZERO) Zell
>0 (ZERO) Ouroboros
becasue that deck is shit
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>>176228198
Because when you blame the game you don't gitgud

>>176229297
Eat shit bandwagon nigger
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>>176229356
Storm Dragon and Aegis Haven are tier 1 and tier 2 respectively. If you weren't illiterate you would have been able to gather that from my first post
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need a concede
83814
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>>176229201
A real ramp deck doesn't use any 1 or 2 drops besides zell.

>no saha
>1 bahamut
>1 isra/ no Lucifer

You will lose against dragon mirrors too.
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>>176229201
Because that deck looks like ass.
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>>176229257
I went on about 60 in DE.
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>>176229297
>right after I had finished dropping all my vials on the fotm decks
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>>176229440
>Aegis
>Tier 2
>Tier 2 viable in this meta
That's cute.
Also Storm Ramp is a ramp deck, and ramp decks are midrange by definition. NIce try though.
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>>176229458
Thank you Israfil
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>>176229440
>beside dragon

Look like someone can't read.
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>>176229201
>animated olivia
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>>176229374
>>176229460
>>176229481
Shit, I got it from here though https://shadowverse.gamepress.gg/deck/866/nge-na-open-week-five-top-8-sn-lux-storm-ramp-dragoncraft
Alright I can craft the zells but i dont have enough vials for any more leggos, how fucked am I
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>>176229374
>>176229460
Not everyone is zell cuck
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>>176229201
Because it's basically a bad ramp deck that doesn't excel at anything so it dies to those that do
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Dumb newfriend here. Progressed enough that I have enough vials to craft a reasonable deck of my choice. Should I make Storm Haven or Albertcraft instead? I feel like the first would be a lot cheaper to make.
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>>176229747
Just stick with storm if you can't afford a full ramp dragon.
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>>176229747
Dont craft silver cards. It's a waste of vitals, just pull ToG packs and eventually you will get 3.
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>>176229747
Zell is a silver card m8 you just need that.

But where is your Sahaquiels?
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>>176229846
You should play a different game because this game is fucking dogshit now and probably won't get any better for a while
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>>176229651
git gud

>>176229682
is it you? because nobody said that, mongoloid
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>>176229846
Depend of your cards but Storm Haven is more enjoyable and good against shadow/dragon
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hello friends

what did i miss?
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>>176210659
Those are 4 turns that you could have used to deal far more than 3 damage and even set up lethal, stop being such a bitch.
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35601
Concede please
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>>176228198
>>176228931
The part that confuses me of them wanting short games is that long games still inevitably exist. I could make people's laddering experience a living hell with long decks that drag out the game. Sure my win rate will be 40% but god help any control players who run into me.

It's weird too because most card games are already around the speed Cygames says they want. The average turns in MTG is around 7 I think? Hearthstone is actually faster I think, though the long matchups in HS are really long and can deck out with relative consistency. It's not nearly as much as a problem as Cygames thinks it is, especially since they love printing late game "DEAL WITH ME OR I WIN" cards and OTK combos. They're going to kill the game by trying to deal with a nonexistent problem.
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>>176229978
>Git gud
I might be exaggerating a little here but the point remains the same; unless you're Aegis, which isn't even that good in this meta, you cannot play control.
Also please anon, Shadowverse has 0 skill now. All the decision making is very basic and everything is broken as fuck so it's pretty much a battle of draw luck now. There's a reason no one defends this game anymore
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>>176230101
I don't know.

But I'm missing the DE meta.
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>>176229924
Dont Have any, how many are needed?
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>>176229387
>>176229524
>endure 2 months of daria
>ENJOY SHADOWVERSE mag comes out
>oh there's no way they will nerf it now since they are advertising it
couldn't have felt worse
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>>176230193
i never thought the game would outcancer baldman and dshift

i was so young and innocent back then
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>>176228386
It's the third best deck in the game if you want to go by shadowlog reports. The top two decks are both Shadow as well. You are what you feared.
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What's happening to dragon?
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>>176230189
I've done well with Aegis in Masters. It packs enough banish and wraths to kill shadow a reasonable amount of the time, and you can usually beat dragon if you can find a turn to stick aegis and play around their burst.
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MOMMY MOMMY!
Based Lily, she took down 2 frontguard and 2 roland
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25010
Concede pls. If you need one too spam some emotes before conceding.
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>>176230351
but it doesnt have any of the new op cards
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>>176230193
I miss when Aria was the biggest problem card.
I even fucking miss Otohime and Sage Commander. I hated those cards with every fiber of my being, but god damn at least they don't completely invalidate 90% of the decks in the game.
It's only been two expansions two. It's been less than a year. They REALLY fucked this game hard.
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>>176230108
>t5 sibyl, any lead you had is now gone and they're 4 PP ahead
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>>176230151
Thanks Luna
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>>176230454
>>176230193
Cry more swordbbs in 3 weeks you guys will be back again.
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>>176229978
>dragon wreck control decks
>what control deck can beat it beside aggro?
>say another dragon deck

Woahhh so this is the power of the meta.

>>176227117
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>>176230472
>trades for one follower before you kill it and continue hitting his face
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>>176230515
Sorry elf here.
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>>176230534
yes and? He said you couldn't play control because of Dragon and Aegis, and the point was that those are both control decks, so you can, in fact play control.
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>>176230351
It doesn't matter. You can be playing a shitty tyrant deck and still be considered cancer. Retards just want to irrationally hate anyone who touches a certain craft.
At least Nips are only shitting at Cygames and not each other. Here Cygames can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with it because apparently it's all the "shadowniggers" and "dragoncucks" fault cards like Hector and Sybil exist.
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What's a good deck to climb with right now that's not aggro/midrange shadow?
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>>176230452
A deck is as good as its competition. No one is building to beat Nep when it's nowhere near as popular as aggro and midrange. Classes that are building around midrange STILL have a 28-35% winrate against it, if they built for nep they would just need to concede any time they ran into 1/3 of the ladder.

>>176230285
I miss Elana Haven. Coincidentally, I happened to play mostly Elana (Seraph) Haven in DE. I try to tell myself I'm not cancer because Seraph is still my most played deck in RoB and 2nd most played in ToG.
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>pulled two rolands
>bahamut exists
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>>176210252
I got to master in 1 month or so and got bored so no. I also got all cards but like 4 legos 3x so no reason to farm.
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>beat every dumb pedocraft player and rowenfriend
>lose to decks with actual win conditions
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need a concede plz 65636
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>>176230678
>At least Nips are only shitting at Cygames and not each other.
Does anyone still like this game?
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Just a few more weeks until new card announcements!
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>>176230612
Fuck you too never t2 craft
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>>176230717
ye nep has like 30% winrate vs blood and aggro sword, I'm sure when nec and dragon gets nerfed nep will fall in winrate too
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>>176230735
They kinda need to balance the game around turn 7-8 Bahamut for dragon being a possibility as long as Bahamut isn't rotated out. Kinda fucky.
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>people who play dragon and shadow in unranked
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>>176230803
wow that was fast. thank you!
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>>176230697
Aggroblood
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>>176230841
>New card announcements
>Even worse powercreep that ruins the game even more to try and deal with this shitty meta
Oh boy I can't wait until all games are decided on turn 3 by 3pp 8/8 unkillable storm cards, just like Cygames wants
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>16 game win streak ended by a shadow fag who went first with his gay ass reapers
I hope you shadow players literally fucking die of cancer
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>>176230676
Have you ever thought people want to play something beside dragon and shadow? No haven can beat a perfect curve dragon or midrange shadow even if they themselves have a perfect curve.


At least with roach you can play control sword and for daria, haven. Seeing 90% of master game being shadow and dragon is fucking annoying even if you win.

>bb-but you can just play take two or unrank!!

Shadow and dragon is still dominating there too.
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>>176230947
I play Atomy shadow and dragonewt OTK in unranked.
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>>176230902
All it takes is for dragon to wake up and put 3 LB in their deck and Nep is dead.
If they want to extra hate they can put in 3 Odins too.
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>>176230850
I'm pretty much T-Shit at the moment because I can't buy any of the new forest cards yet. Still playing with my last exp. deck and get permanently shit on by everything that isn't a meme.
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>>176231021
Prove it.
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>>176230972
I want a shit expansion with shit cards like DE again.
>>176231013
>At least with roach you can play control sword and for daria, haven. Seeing 90% of master game being shadow and dragon is fucking annoying even if you win.
Bet you said the same shit but inverse in RoB.
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>>176231021
How's it feel taking 2 hours to do dailies every day
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>>176230972
>Not 4 PP spell: Win the game
There, now Dragon just ramp and win faster instead of wasting my time.
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>>176231060
Anon, I have some bad news for you
It will still be shit when you get the new cards
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>>176231065
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>>176230976
>go on 14 win streak with midsword
>dariafag ends my streak
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>>176230963
Is this list from game-ai good?
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>>176231181
That's some sugoi shit bro.
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D-Dragon killed C-control decks is not seraph or d-shift...
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>>176231013
>Have you ever thought people want to play something beside dragon and shadow?
tough shit, that's how card games work. If you want to play another class then do it. If you want to win then play the best decks. If you want to do both then wait for the meta to change to suit your needs. That's how card games work. You aren't entitled to win every single game with your special snowflake deck.
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>>176230902
Has it right

>>176231023
Dragon was losing to Nep even when it still ran LB. There's zero reason to build against Nep anyway since the added winrate in that matchup will get nullified by how much you start losing other matchups. Then when (if) shadow is nerfed the deck will die on its own.
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I really really want the most grueling unforgiving cutthroat tier 1 deck ever designed to be released.
Something 95% of the player base looks at and says "no way in hell I'm going to try that even if it is tier 1".
How do we do it bros? Dshift just doesn't work right now and even if it did, it still isn't at the difficulty level I want. It can still be auto piloted by a beginner fairly well.
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>>176231023
the games would still go 20+ minutes with 50/50 winrates desu, you can stall with 1 mordecai everytime and then zerg him down with 3 breath etc

all the pros in japan are flocking to Ledger Eachtar (Still 2 Khawy) anyways, they say Eachtar's just too broken
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>>176231218
You didn't pick Shadow, try again. Kidding aside, it's fine.
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>>176231218
Yeah is like some lists on masters.
But here in my pic the deck that i'm playing in masters.
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>>176230947
Every time I check the rank of a piece of shit that does this it's always A3 and below.
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>>176231250
That may be how cardgames work, but when only 2/7 classes are viable and shit on everyone else this hard it's a sign of really fucking shitty design and balance.
Shadowverse is pure fucking trash right now. It's become worse than fucking Hearthstone, which is a real feat.
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>>176230415
Lilly is the mvp of forest
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>>176231303
>shadowverse
>difficult decks

lmao fuck off you retard
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>>176231146
You broke my little elf-heart.I still believe in the heart of the cards.
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>>176231371
>ledger hector
How would that even work? All your liches are instantly dead most of the time and not playing catacombs hurts your shadow generation.
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>>176231303
Roach OTK had less playrate than Daria, even though it was much more powerful. Making a powerful deck difficult to pilot is a good way to balance your game but SV is really simple overall, so it's hard to achieve.
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>>176231453
Read the last setence of what that anon said.
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>>176231415
>>176231429
Alright, I'll give both of those a try then. Thanks.
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>>176230972
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>>176231250
While true, the balance right now is out of hand. The golden rule of TCG balance is that the worst matchup shouldn't be more than 40-60. Considering we have 30-70s and multiple entire craft matchups being 35-65 right now, shit's fucked.

>>176231528
This is why I'm waiting for Elf's return, it's definitely the most fun class.
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You will never guess what he played next.
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>>176231505
Brainlets couldn't play Roach.
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>>176231081
No the problem isn't the winrate. It's the amount of people who play the class. Roach wasn't as braindead so people miss lethal, and some people didn't know how to mulligan for daria. But for shadow its burst damage is so easy to use (cerebus into howl for 11 damage or death breath into eachtar for 14 with evolve) that its impossible to misplay. One of the reason its so much popular % usage is higher than daria.
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>>176231617
>Actually defending this joke of a cardgame
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>>176231453
yeah, but the meta is guaranteed to change every 3 months, and if the meta is so narrow then it's easy to build against it. Nep still shits on dragon and Aegis has game against both top decks.

Also, Hearthstone is in a good spot right now, so I don't know what your talking about.
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>>176231652
>adding single digit numbers is hard
Are people this stupid?
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>>176231712
>crying like a little whore since the release of all card games
>i'm not doing this because i'm a retard btw
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>>176231723
>pass user since 2012
that anon is at least
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>>176231716
Hearthstone in a good spot is still a shitty cardgame overall.
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Im ready for the next expansion.

The Shadow and dragon crafts are really in a great spot fantasy wise, but they are too strong and it ends up being shadow/dragon 70% of the ladder.

Is there any leaks, or anyone who knows the general time per expansion?

Is it like 3 months?
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>>176231723
I saw people fuck up roach a lot climbing from 0 to master.
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>>176231432
Decided to do some testing.
Picked up pic related for 10 Ranked matches in A2.

These are the results:
+100 vs Haven Storm
-70 vs Shadow Aggro
-70 vs Regular Ramp
-100 vs Shadow Aggro
+100 vs Shadow Aggro
-100 vs Aegis Elana
-100 vs HavenSomething (Bad hand)
+ 100 vs Ramp Dragon
+ 100 vs Ramp Dragon
- 100 vs Shadow Aggro
- 100 vs Shadow Aggro

Ranked Points: -240

Going to do this with Mid Shadow and Storm Ramp if anyone's interested in the results
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>odin
>legendary
>turn 8 banish one card
>lighting blast
>silver
>turn 6 banish everything that isn't on your side of the field
literally what the fuck??
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>Have trouble going 5-0 before
>Get them at pretty decent rate now since Shadow is so bullshit

I guess I should just go for Taker of Two with all the gold.
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1.cry like a bitch about sword/elf in DE
2.cry like a bitch about Daria/elf in RoB
3.cry like a bitch about Shadow/dragon in ToG
3.cry like a bitch about ?/??????? in ????
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>>176231837
28th of June
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>>176231250
I play all classes though, its just fucking annoying you see 90% of dragon and shadow everywhere. Special snowflake deck? Nice projection I have 70% of all the legendaries and 85% of all gold cards.
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>>176231652
this
Roach in now more difficult since is not meta
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>>176231837
End of june. They always release expansions every 3 months. We have 2 months to go.
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>>176231904
Calling it now, Blood and Haven will be the cancer in the next expansion.
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>>176231723
the majority of people is stupid yes
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>>176210128
What's the original sauce here?
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>>176231904
Someday people will cry about Blood, I'm ready to be cancer.
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>>176231946
No, blood would seem like it got very good support but will turn out to be T2 again.
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>>176231524
Can't look through the forums atm cuz on the phone, but this was one of the variation used, apparently strongest deck against Dragon/Mid Shadows atm
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>>176231651
Damas, lizardman evolve?
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>>176231528
Daria is a much cheaper deck in terms of vials and it was a completely new style
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>>176231837
leaks come out in 3 weeks
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>>176231837
no one knows
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>>176231946
>Haven
They can remove this craft. I still get Elena flashbacks. Should they ever be T1 again I'm going to quit.
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>Pass user since 2012
Great, this fucker is back.
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>this nigga with 6k master score comes up with an ambush deck and completely pushes my shit in for the first 6 turns
Interesting shit.
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>>176231869
I mean, the problem there is that dragon has so much ramp that they can get to 10 mana by 6. Even hearthstone devs hardly made any new ramp for their premiere ramp class beyond the basic/classic set.

>>176231921
>Special snowflake deck? Nice projection I have 70% of all the legendaries and 85% of all gold cards.
Not sure what that has to do with anything anon. Nobody said anything about collection size; you could have a complete collection but that doesn't mean anything if you get pissy about losing with off-meta garbage
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>>176231904
>elf isn't t1
>meta is the worst it has ever been
Cygames should just bend their knee to the knife ears.
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>>176231837
>>176231915
>>176231934
>>176232048
>>176232049
I can't wait to see how they powercreep Eachtar, Sybil and Aegis. Prepare yourselves for turn 5/6 finishers.
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>>176231996
Sorry to tell you anon but blood is the unique fair craft we don't have bullshit like.roach/albert/catabom/Zell/Spellboost/Aegis.
Blood is the patriciancraft where you use your own guts to beat everyone.
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>>176231904
nexuscraft/atomy in virgin soul
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>>176232039
Looks very interesting actually. Kamura does shut down midshadow pretty hard.
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>>176232156
This. A t1 deck that's hard to pilot like roach is good for the meta.
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>>176231781
Are you seriously defending this meta?
More power to you anon, but playing Shadowverse right now has been one of the worst experiences I've ever had with card games. Nothing about this game is fun anymore. The top classes are ridiculously broken and brainless and slaughter everything except a few fringe decks and are about 90% of your matches, games are stupidly short now, it feels like I have no agency at all and the only thing that matters is draw luck, there's no room for creativity, and overall whether I win or lose it's just not fun. Not to mention take-two is so horribly balanced that it's the biggest joke of a limited format I've ever seen.
And I highly doubt a new expansion will change fucking anything. Dragon is a mess; it is insanely oppressive as of now and will continue to be a huge problem unless they introduce some serious balance changes. The only way the new expansion will change shit is if it's powercrept even more, which will make the game's current problems even worse.
This game is shit now and I don't see how anyone still plays, honestly
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>>176232204

Speed finishes can be counteracted by powercreep defences.

Think sybil but without ramp and instead having taunt and only takes maximum of 2 damage per attack
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>>176232041
Style and fun is irrelevant to a soulless bandwagoner. It has to be easy and win a lot to attract a bandwagoner. Shadow is the perfect example of a broken deck that is easy to pilot. Daria was cheaper than Roach, but when you see 25% of the ladder playing Dragon (the most expansive deck in the game), vial amount doesn't stop bandwagoning much.
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>>176231716
>Also, Hearthstone is in a good spot right now, so I don't know what your talking about.
HS didn't magically cease to be a bad cardgame.
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>>176232219
>overstated Yurius
>most aggressive deck of the game
yeah...
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>>176232061
I like him
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>>176232278
Are you copy/paste the texts from RoB? Jesus is crying atm
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>>176232256

A T1 elf deck that doesnt use roaches is my dream
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>>176232039
Isn't undying resentment better be replaced with tempest? You have enough single target as is.
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>>176232204
Hoping we get more wide board support
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At least in RoB they managed to tone down the decks with few minor nerfs, but I don't see how they can fix the current situation without either major changes or tons of minor changes.
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>>176232381
What's it like having Shadowverse Stockholm Syndrome?
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>>176231904
>is fighting in despair all you know?
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90887
Concede onegai!
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>>176232325
um, yes? a card game is only as bad as its current meta, which is actually pretty diverse right now. That's like saying MtG is a bad card game because of combo winter or og mirrodin or eldrazi winter.
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>>176232278
Ins't that the same text from RoB?
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Newb here, have 9k dust. I want to make some fun aggro/midrange sword deck. Cursed General seems like a good pick to build around. Any recommendations?
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>>176231994
http://oglaf.com/cornwalling/
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>>176232501
Mate, even at its best I wouldn't bother with HS.
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>All these people saying the new expansion will fix things
I wish I was as naive as you guys. Not only is there really no fixing this game without some real changes now, but there's a really high chance the new meta will just make the game even worse.
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>>176232278
Do you ctrl+C from archives?
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>>176232567
albert is the best card in this entire game and will likely stay that way for a long time
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>>176232501
Hearthstone is a really good card game, you should play it!
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>>176232501
>a card game is only as bad as its current meta
What? No.
Hearthstone is still a shallow card game filled to the brim with RNG. Even at its best it's still crap because of the core mechanics
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>>176232617
We just need a expansion of useless cards like DE
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>>176232567
Couple ways you can go with him
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>>176232156
I want this elf to bend her knees over me if you know what I mean
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>>176232417
some 8k master anon wrote a long post 20~ hours ago in the general, basically he said

1. Tempest is still okay HOWEVER
2. The point of removal is to use it BEFORE catacomb hits, (1/2point minions), if you are using it after, you still have 1/1 skeletons that are buffed by Orth/Cerb/etc, so counterproductive
3. Zombie Party/Pact is neccesary to save for lategame against some classes (LIke dragon) where you need to bait out their removal (Ouro=9/5 pluto)
4. Not being able to kill 1/1 Stealth is annoying, but Khawy will eat that right up anyways
5. Nep wins 100% anyways after turn 6 unless mid shadow has two hectors due to Khawy's retarded trade value.

He was playing a Ledger nep, but it was a very good read
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>>176232456
Literally add 1 PP cost to Sibyl and Catacombs and they're massively changed. Alternatively, it's probably a much better idea to change catacombs' stats and then increase his cost to more than 4.
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>>176232567
Start with Banner Sword, craft Alberts, get Alwida's when you can and transition into Aggro sword, then get Luminous Mages and whatever the current Midrange lists run.
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>>176232498
Please
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>>176232767
>We just need a expansion of useless cards like DE
Thus keeping the current meta and changing nothing?
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>>176232745
>shallow card game filled to the brim with RNG
I know HS is the biggest offender but that's literally describing 90% of these online only CCGs.
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>>176232745
I mean, you're not wrong, but you have to admit it is kinda dumb to complain about meta diversity and then turn around and act like SV is still superior to HS in every way shape or form.
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>>176232958
Read the archives pos-RoB nerf a lot of people complained about diverse meta and how the game became RPS
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>>176232745
Have to disagree here. Current HS decks have enough decision making. They actually have way more than current meta SV decks (mostly due to game length, and the fact that Shadow, dragon and haven are all braindead factions that play themselves.
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>>176232864
Don't remind me.
Hearhtstone really fucking ruined online CCGs. Getting rid of interaction during your opponent's turn was the death sentence for all of them.
I've been complaining about how trash this game has become but maybe it was always destined for garbage because it followed HS's footsteps so hard and I only ever enjoyed it because it's f2- and super generous and, when it first came out, it was a lot better than HS
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>>176232864
All digital card games being bad is incredibly disheartening. What I would give for just 6 months of being able to play a Blue deck in MTG digitally on a good client.
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>>176232853
Thanks Mordecai
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>>176232773
Thanks!
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Is nepnep still viable?
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>>176233049
I tried playing HS again because of how shit SV has become and I still didn't enjoy it much. The RNG is just way too extreme for me, it's so greedy, and there's still some uninteractive garbage running around like Quest Rogue.
Not to mention I despise weapons with every fiber of my being.
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Why'd you have to do this to yourself, eris?
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>>176233049
>dragon
>brained
Sorry if you never experienced the 15d chess of dragon mirror matches.
Daria=Shadow
Forest=Dragon
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>AA3 1000 point left
>decide to grind to master then study for exams and sleep
>13 hours past 100 point left and 3 hour left for exam no studying done
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>>176232767
Unless they force rotation what you're saying will only result in 3 more months of dragon and shadow dominance.
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>>176233045
yeah, I've noticed that a lot in card games. Half of the people hate it when only a few decks succeed, but then at least they know what they can play to guarantee good winrates. A diverse meta is more ideal, but then people hate that they can't win every match up with their deck. It's like there's no pleasing these people.

>>176233225
>quest rogue
>uninteractive
It's fast, but not uninteractive. You can still dirty rat and board clear them all the same. You want to talk about uninteractive, try burn mage packing 4+ ice blocks every game +lethal from hand.
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>>176233189
Yes, she's in a good spot right now.
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>>176233253
>oh no, my ouroboros might get lightning blasted
>i'll just hit him with genesis instead lol
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>>176233189
read this >>176232805
>>176233282
Is possible to give tons of good shit to everycraft and rotate all cancer shit from Standart like Otohime and Roach, and a new format when we play with metas without expansions.
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>>176233253
>Dragonbabby has never palyed a real card game and thinks his overpowered ramp deck is hard to play
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>>176233189
>>176232805
>>176233370
>>176233365
I recommend reading the post by the Japanese master anon few generals back, I went from A1 to A2 in ~75% winrate with his deck
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Need a concede

13719
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Enhanced effects should be better desu Albert/tarzan and Grimmir are shit cards in t7-t8
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>>176233549
Thank you mordebro
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>>176201507
No, that's just 'dude' as in 'suck my cock dude' not 'suck my cock my dude'
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When are the older sleeves coming back and how are we going to earn them? Or are they gonna be paid only?
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>>176233352
A diverse meta is a nightmare for a bandwagoner.

What netdeck should I craft if everything is playable? I don't want my vials to go to waste. What if I lose more than I win?
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>>176233496
Where is it? I'm searching the previous threads but I'm not sure what to look for.
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>>176233352
>ice block
Man I know people here want traps but that shit is just aggravating as fuck.
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>>176233775
Score sleeves? Never
Should've played when you had the chance if you wanted ding dong
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>>176233808
There' nothing wrong with playing the best decks to have a better result.
>>176233839
Imagine Iceblock+Dshift Is real
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>>176233352
A diverse meta that isn't just RPS is obviously the best. But that would require cards not being extremely powercrept and more interaction than what's possible in the engine
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>>176233839
It defeats the purpose of "secrets" because it's the only playable one, so it's always ice block.
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>>176233087
>>176233092
Pretty much why I'm not going to bother with CCGs after this one. Probably a better use of my free time to work on my steam backlog than to autistically grind for gold to buy packs that contain cards that don't matter because only a few cards in a few crafts are worth a damn.
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>>176233910
> diverse meta that isn't just RPS is obviously the best
But this is a coinflip meta where everyone have 50/50
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>>176233496
This?
>>176150417
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>>176234050
This may be shocking to many, but in actual good card games skill is actually a factor.
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>>176234050
>coinflip meta

Why do hsbabies keep shitting up this general with their retarded posts
inb4
>hurr card draw is coinflip
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>>176234057
Ye that one and has few more tips in the general that follows but not really neccesary
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>>176233947
Also, what happened to the weekly tournaments? I'm assuming that they stopped because people are only going to bring the same broken decks they use on ladder.
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>>176234138
lol
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>>176234257
At least Daria is not meta anymore card draw IS COINFLIP
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>>176233775
They didn't say anything besides announcing it would be possible
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>>176234257
I mean he's kind of right, the difference between going first and going second is staggering right now
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>>176234371
you're fliping a 39 sided coin there
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>>176234295
Just make a tourney with bans. Everyone will just ban Shadow and Dragon.
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>>176234302
He's not entirely wrong. Games of chance like Poker and Mahjong are still skill based. It's just that a pro player in those games still loses most of the time.
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>>176234257
card draw is coinflip though. rng is an integral part of card games in general. I've never understood all of the complaints about rng. If you want a game devoid of rng, go play chess or something.
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>>176234371
>>176234403
>I've only ever played Hearthstone and Shadowverse: the posts
God fuck Hearthstone so much for premeptively ruining all digital CCGs. It would be so nice to have a digital f2p CCG without trash mechanics
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>>176234295
The ones getting streamed lately have been 3 decks 1 ban, most people ban shadow or rarely let it through if they have heavy tech vs it.
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>>176234564
I don't care about MTG this game is boring and only VIRGINS play it
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>>176234560
>I've never understood all of the complaints about rng.
Because having your choices be limited by circumstance has nothing to do with having the optimal choice backfire occasionally so shitters can feel good about themselves.
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What if Bahamut's fanfare also destroyed both leaders
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>>176234564
I've played MtG, Yugioh, Duel Masters, Pokemon TCG, Hearthstone, and Shadowverse, so my opinion matters more than yours
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>>176234560
Card draw isn't a coinflip. It is luck, yes, but it's not a coinflip, aka a 50/50.
When people talk about the RPS meta, they mean shit like how DShift kills any control deck because the control deck has no way to fight back. In an actual good card game, shit like this doesn't happen, so a diverse meta is more about deckbuilding and decision making in-game as well as draw luck. There's still match-ups, but match-ups shouldn't be almost impossible to overcome.
And in REALLY good card games, they have sideboards so you can lessen the impact of match-ups and add another skill-intensive part to the game.
And finally, there's a difference between card draw luck and what HS does
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>>176233087
>>176233947
Duel Links has traps, out of hand instants and quick spells during the opponent's turns as well as multi-trigger effects desu.
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Soul Dominator is the BEST

She gives 0 fucks about your wards!
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>>176210291
I wanna fuck this bitch
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>topdecking is RNG and coinfliping
You cant make this up
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>>176234859
>. In an actual good card game, shit like this doesn't happen
name 1 (ONE) game where this doesn't happen
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>>176234887
What's Duel Links?
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>>176234969
topdecking literally is rng.
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>>176234756
What if Bahamut's fanfare also deleted both players' accounts?
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>>176234969
It is.
If you have 2 cards left in your deck and 1 of them would win you the match right there.
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>>176234887
You mean Yu-Gi-Oh.
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>Craft 3rd nep last night
>Open 4th one this morning
ok I guess I deserved that one
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>>176234901
This tbqh
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>>176234057
What does he mean by necro in the Zombie Party/Necro/Pact part?
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>>176234993
Yugioh online but on your phone and smaller(20 card decks, 3 slot monster/spell/trap zone and 5 size extra deck).
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>Bored so I decide to play some take 2
>Hadn't played take 2 in so long the take 2 deck I had built already only had cards from the base set
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>>176234987
What, match-ups where you literally can't fight back without playing a completely different deck because the devs just straight up did not print answers for certain cards?
Any actual good card game
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>without RNG
>skill based
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>>176235230
there's no shame in admitting you can't do something anon
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>>176235251
are you dumb
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>>176210252
Pretty much. Stuck in A1. Now the ladder feels perpetually like 2 steps forward, 1 step back.
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>>176235251
its literally RNG if you get to pick 2 of the same ones on your first attempt
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>>176235138
>3 slot monster/spell/trap zone
Wouldn't stuff like Ground Collapse and Ojama King be OP as fuck?
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>>176235285
MtG
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???
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47307
please concede
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>>176235429
bahamut
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>>176235412
>What is Jund vs Tron in Modern
Also, combo vs control in general, at least in formats where good counter magic exists
nice try though
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Fuck off, Cygames.
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>>176235429
It's Shadow, pick random piles are go 4-1 without trying.
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this fucking blows, I just want gold for more totg packs
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>it's turn 5 and my 2nd ledger pulls up squat
>do a head a count and realize I have 3 of the 5 liches in my hand
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>>176235470
thanks Eris
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>>176235363
They've decided to be very selective with what they release right now. There's no synchros, xyz or even pendulum but there will be eventually. It's mostly season 1 YGO nostalgia cards with some newer bad cards to support themes. Like shadowverse, different duelists are sort of like crafts in that they have unique abilities to them but you can change them. For example, you can choose for Mako to start out the duel with Umi on the field or if Yugi takes 2000 life points of damage, he can literally draw any card on his deck at will(heart of the cards is fucking cheating apparently).
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>>176235530
I can't stand ranked and I'd still do that set for 150 easy gold.
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>>176235537
Standard packs are better. The faster you fill out your library the faster you're getting >800 vials a day from arena grinds to just craft what you want
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>>176235514
You're not getting the point here.
Control vs DShift is unwinnable unless DShift bricks no matter how you build your control deck.
Magic, via actually printing answers to cards and sideboards, will let you stand a better chance against terrible match-ups like these. It might not be worth the effort to do so, but the option is there.
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>>176235530
Easy missions. Do you have a cancer shadow deck, right?
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>>176235754
moving goalposts is unbecoming anon
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What the fuck were they smoking when they designed ouroboros?

I mean ok that it goes back to hand, nice, infinite value. But why also heal the leader AND damage any enemy when played??
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>>176235514
Didn't most Jund switch to DS package to stomp Tron?
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>>176235859
how is that moving goalposts?
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>>176235728
Do not listen to this guy. The average card value of standard packs is shit compared to every other pack, never buy them. Just craft standard cards you need and let your library fill from arena/ranked rewards.
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>>176235859
I said good card games don't have match-ups where your deck literally cannot fight back because the devs just do not print answers to certain cards.
Where's the goalpost moving? I never said good card games don't have terrible match-ups
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Grimnir or bone chimera? Usually games are over before turn 10.
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>>176235872
Because if all it did was go back to hand it wouldn't be worth playing. Also thematic reasons.
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>>176210128
80591

pls concede
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>>176235941
>full hp
>has 12 shadows
>concedes
I sure love people that bandwagon t1 decks and give me free points like that
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>>176236114
Well I think something like anubarak in hs would be more balanced, keeping it a bit more balanced. It's just so frustrating losing to ouroboros because the dragon just goes "lol I play it again I guess" every turn.
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>When you've dusted all your Dragon cards cause you think ramp is a dumb and boring mechanic.
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>>176236212
Just banish bro :^)
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>>176236249
not having 20+ TT tickets
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Need a concede, my dudes

45580
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>>176236212
You know what Anub'arak did? Suck donkey dick because it had no impact on the board.
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>>176236089
Usually games are over on turn 10
you know
because grimnir
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>>176234793
Yeah? Well, I've played MtG, Yugioh, Duel Masters, Pokemon TCG, Hearthstone, Shadowverse, Weiss Schwarz, Force of Will, Netrunner, Faeria, Chronicle Runescape Legends, Infinity Wars, Eternal, Gwent, the DBZ card games, and that shitty Elder scrolls card game. Probably plenty others I forgot about too.
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>>176236249
I don't vial useful shit no matter my personal feelings on it, I might hate Roach and soccer mom but I'd never vial them.
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I fucking love blood!
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>>176236387
He's also in a class which has no control tools whatsoever, you're comparing apples and oranges. Warrior would've ran the fuck out of Anub'Arak in The Grand Tourmanent, for instance.
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>>176236574
I fucking love Vampy-chan!
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>>176236541
>vialing the 2 cards that no forest deck could win without

You'd be stupid to do that no matter how desperate you are to netdeck
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>>176236574
>playing 2 2pp overstatted followers
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I have been out of the loop for a while. What is a good blood deck for ladder, or at least a good starting point for one? I need to start grinding ladder again.
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>>176236637
I love fucking Vampy-chan!
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>>176236361
thanks
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>>176236574
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>>176236696
Do yourself a favor and don't come back to this steaming pile of shit
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>>176236541
I've never touched anything but Haven Rune and Blood, and don't really intend to play any of the other classes any time soon. I might play sword in the future but the other crafts just kind of bore me.
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>>176235251
That's not an MtG pic
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>play sybil t5
>lose
Is this the biggest hoax of do nothing of all time?
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>>176236574
>bolt

nothing personel kid
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Did you remember to bully Luna today, friends?
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>>176236574
*heals out of lethal range*
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>>176236489
>all those shitty bushiroad games
>all those 3rd rate digital CCGs
sorry to hear that anon
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>>176236873
Share deck?
My storm haven has been doing garbage.
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>>176236760
Have fun not having shit to do dailies with.
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Is there any actually good digital CCG?
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>>176237083
no
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>>176237083
yes
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>>176236489
How long did you play Force?
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>>176237083
No.
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>>176237083
*CG
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>>176234793
>>176236489
That's hot. Are either of you single?
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>Haven't played since first week of totg
>Decide to check if things are any better now
>It's actually gotten worse with shadow seeing a meteoric ris
>Shadow alone has more players than the other 5 non-broken classes combined

Flashbacks of mid-shaman. Perhaps I'll put off getting back into SV for another few weeks.
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>>176236889
Doesn't Yurius triggers first?
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>>176236831
no it's do everything
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>>176237083
no
if you want a good card game go play MTG Legacy
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Anyone have that image with azazel, laura and the bloodfed flowerbed girl?
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>>176237384
priority is for the active player
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>>176237473
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>>176237007
Terrible matchup against dragon, but amazing against shadow and blood
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>>176237384
Fanfares and Evolve effects have priority over on-going effects.
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>>176237543
That's the one, thanks anon
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>>176237083
doesn't exist because
>people hate varied metas
>people hate metas with 1-2 high tier decks
>hate useless high mana cards
>hate high mana cards that are good
>hate playing on curve
>hate playing solitaire

untraditional card games like solforge (dead) and gwent are very few
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>>176237647
I just want a digital ccg that's generous enough to go f2p while also having actually good mechanics like instants and not just being an HS clone with a few twists
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>>176237294
you wish fuccboi
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>>176237728
eternal, dumbass
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>>176237083
Gwent is pretty decent and there's standard MTG.

I'd argue SV used to be legitimately a good game, but Cygames have proven themselves to not give a rat's ass about balance are just in it for the $$$ so...
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>>176237567
whats the point of angel of the word?
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>>176237647
PoxNora is bretty good and still alive but it's a strategy/card game. Alive as in less than 2000 active players though. PS4 release soon at least.
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>>176237779
bad MtG clone
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>>176235514
>Modern
Found your problem
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Just had new data downloaded after not playing for a while, what cards got nerfed?

I saw deepwood anomaly and water dragoncraft legend bitch.
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>>176237647
>hate useless high cost cards
>everyone and their mother still played daria

Ehhh
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>>176237647
>solforge
Forgot I played that too. You might want to try the Runescape card game, it's pretty much you and your opponent adventuring while trying ro kill each other.
>>176237294
Of course I'm single. How else would I have to time to play so many card games
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need a concede please

67176

thanks in advance
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>>176237946
Nothing. You got more story chapters and deckslots.
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>>176237728
amazing how people call shit a hearthstone clone when plenty of card games were out before it with the same
>gain points every turn
>use points to play cards
playstyle. hearthstone wasn't even unique but it had the blizzard brand, so hearthstone was the first card game made to many people
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>>176238043
Are you looking to be in a relationship? We could play card games together?
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Yes, I too enjoy playing against a class that spends the entire game ramping then dropping spell / storm damage to face and wins without ever having a minion on board for more than one turn!
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>>176236873
Of course Chemosister!
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>>176237854
Good for killing off skeletons, trading up with your 2/2's into a grimnir, can be used for face damage, and against dragon can be used with blackened scripture/cudgel to kill off an ouroboros
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>>176237932
>format with most viable decks
>problem
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>>176238145
just themis it bro
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>>176237932
At least it has a diverse meta.
Even the best deck in the format only has a 12% occurence in top8's
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What if Themis was neutral?
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>>176238048
thanks, guy. Glad we could be of help to each other
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>>176238145
Nice high quality crop
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>>176238281
<3
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>>176238102
But it got popular, so companies saw the opportunities and started to do the same kind of game
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>>176238225
comparing games that you play in tourny VS ladder shit
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>>176238086

Oh that's pretty cool.
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>>176238139
Depends, are you a cute girl(female)?
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>>176237932
>being a faggot in 2017
c'mon
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>>176238265
mandatory 3x in every single deck
Its the reason why neutral board clears shouldnt exist and why grimnir should be removed
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>>176238354
>Implying ladder isn't just an infinitely long round robin tourney
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>>176238445
No. Sorry.
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>>176238265
I'd finally take these shitty WotF out of my deck
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This game is more RNG than HS at this point.
>go first
>win
>go second
>lose
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>>176238479
Then is something different
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>>176237728
>while also having actually good mechanics like instants
>
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>>176238265
What if Themis banished instead?
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>>176238503
I'm honestly not liking how mirrors are turning into straight coinflips at this point. SV is definitely going down the HS route.
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>>176238540
sure if you increase the cost to 9.
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>>176238497
The dick only makes it better.jpg
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>>176238595
But mirrors in SV are fun
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>>176238595
Sounds like you need a better deck if you are losing to RNG (does not exist)
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>>176238540
>if themis was released today, it would be 5 mana and enhance 7 banish everything
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>>176238632
>Whoever drops Aegis/Seraph first wins
>Whoever ramps first into baha/zell wins
>Whoever goes first as shadow wins
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>>176238632
>You can predict with near 100% accuracy who will win the tournament match in shadow mirrors based on opening hands
How is that fun
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>>176238540
>Dragon gets a one sided aoe banish for 10 mana
>Haven's double sided aoe banish needs to cost 9 mana lol

I wonder who's behind this post
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>>176238726
>>176238713
Lmao get out of -5000
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>>176238265
What if you could use the cards of 2 (two) craft to make a deck?
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nice antishadow tech bro
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>>176238102
Are you stupid? We're not following the full family history of card games here. No shit HS didn't invent all card game elements. We're not calling games HS clones because of that.
HS clones have some of, if not all of, the following traits in addition to other card game staples:
A class-based system rather than a color one with no mixing and matching allowed with a pool of neutral cards that can go anywhere
No phases during a turn
Combat systems where the attacker chooses what to attack with cards that must be attacked to stop your opponent from hitting face every turn
Automatic mana gain that caps at 10
A mulligan system where you draw 3~4 cards and can replace select cards in your hand
A lack of active abilities
And, most damningly, no cards that can be played on the opponent's turn
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>>176238793
Doesn't MtG do that?
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>>176237884
I looked at that but I think complexity should come from depth instead of width. Go is the best game on the planet and it's just sticking pebbles on intersections.
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>>176238782
I'm 4400.

I honestly can't bring myself to grind anymore though. I watched mango stream for 2 hours yesterday and he played literally nothing but shadow and dragon into their mirrors and the only thing I could think was

>Why do people do this to themselves?
>>
>got two new games for my ps4

it's not so bad having the meta like this. i can play other shit without the urge of playing a few matches of this game
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>>176238726
>You can predict the future and what they will draw

Teach me how to do this senpai-senpai
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>>176235132
I'm late but I think he means Undying Resentment (necromancy effect)
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>>176237647
>>176238043
>solforge
I played that game for about a year then quit
didn't feel bad quiting either. It was still a pretty fun game though. I think the biggest problem was the games mechanics.
One or two bad expansion in a game like shadowverse kind of sucks but they still have the basics for a well made game and only need 1 good expansion to make the game great.
>>
>>176238948
Just watch japanese tournaments and try it for yourself. It's not hard to tell someone is going to win when they go first and have a 1 drop + catacombs in hand.
>>
>>176238793
I thought the class system was cool at first but after going back to Magic I think it sucks. Having so many cards restricted like that really kills deck building. Obviously if you could mix classes it'd be broken as fuck, but it's disappointing how limited deckbuilding is in these games.
>>
>>176238145
>without ever having a minion on board for more than one turn
I agree they need to nerf the shit out of removal.
>>
>>176238265
What if spells could be played on enemy turn like instants of MtG?
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>>176238948
Not him, but it's generally pretty easy to tell which player will win based on who goes first and what kind of hand they have. Mid-shadow has a consistent enough curve that it's hard for the one with tempo advantage to brick and lose it especially with so many tempo-positive cards like prince, soul, orthrus, and eachtar these days.

Quite frankly, Shadow has everything which explains why it has 64% winrate going first.
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>>176238793
Would need some kind of drawback. It's different mana colors in MTG. What should it be in SV?
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>>176238897
That's like, your opinion man. Pox has a lot of depth and shit to learn but it has a high barrier of entry. People have been playing it since 2006 so you're looking at 8+ year veterans for some of the best players that stuck around.

On abilities alone, Pox has this many. Everyone who plays this game is too much of a casualfag to even last a week of getting their ass kicked until they start learning the game.
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>>176239045
Dshift best/worst craft
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>>176238726
>You can predict with near 100% accuracy who will win based on opening hands
This isn't exclusive to Shadow. This game has always come down to who opened the better curve.
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>>176210578
Is the bottom list fine with just 2 DJ? I have 7.5k, and need 5 golds and 2 DJ
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53833
please concede
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>>176239053
>>176239025
>40% chance of being wrong
>its pretty easy to tell who can win

Thats nice and all but can you teach me how to predict what they wil ldraw
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>>176238704
>if themis was released today, it would be 5 mana and enhance 7 banish everything silver neutral card
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>>176239040
Whatever you say, Rowen.

>>176239170
Stay D0, friend.
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>>176239170
Just pretend they always draw the card you want them to draw least
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>>176238838
that's such a fucking huge net to credit hearthstone with i dont know where to begin.
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>>176237083
>>176237647
>>176238043
>Duel of Champions is dead
>Solforge is dead
>Battleforge is dead
Every card game I get into fucking dies.
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>>176239170
You've gotta keep up an illusion if you want to keep baits going, if you go this stupid it's not even worth believing it's genuine.
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>>176239083
>it has A1 abilities
i legitimately have no clue what you're trying to communicate with that
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>>176239259
Then how is it RNG and coinflipping
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>>176239342
Now you're playing Shadowverse and guess what?
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>>176239302
They're all true though.
They're all mechanics HS popularized, if not invented, that continue to plague digital CCGs.
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>>176239231
>if seraph was released today, it would be immune to target abilities and be an end of turn countdown decrease instead of beginning of turn countdown amulet
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>>176238807
I thought of doing this but decided against it for this very reason
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>>176239258
>waaaah why do they keep giving everyone ways to do damage with things that haven't been on the field for a turn?
>themises board
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>>176239302
Not him, but you have no rebuttal.
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>>176239342
And SV is gonna be dead soon to if they don't stop breaking it every expansion
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>>176239426
Please break this curse
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>>176239521
Okay, Rowen. Now go back to your corner.
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>>176239641
Play MtG
>>
Best dead card game coming through
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Any Budget Bloodcraft decks? Vampy is incredible cute but the rarest blood card I own is a silver.
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>>176239641
Time to start playing Magic, which has been around for so long and has survived so much insanity it will probably never die
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>>176239726
>Play Modern
>Build Grixis control because muh spells
>Steal a GP list.
>Never draw lands or anything I need
>"Your deck is built poorly, it has nothing to do with luck."
Fun fucking game.
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>draft the best Dragon T2 deck of all time
>mulligan and draw both Ouro in the opening hand
>stabilize with evolution
>opp slams Leonidas into Israfil
THERE IS NO GOD
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New
>>176239814
>>176239814
>>176239814
New
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>>176239659
Be incapable of arguing all you want but it doesn't change the fact that high value cards have to do some bullshit from hand in this game because any fucktard can just themis them otherwise.
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>>176239841
>playing Grixis
lmaoing at you senpai
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>>176239458
>hearthstone popularized already popular elements in pc card games

>>176239545
>no rebuttal

how can one refute a dumbass generic statement? he pretty much said the united states invented democracy. tell me all the "clones" that hearthstone have paved the way for? shadowverse, elder scrolls, and uh. i swear this is like the idiots on /v/ calling everything a last of us "clone" because they apparently created cover systems, crafting weapons, and having a companion ai
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