Wargames General /wgg/

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allies op pls nerf germans

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French AT is shit

>>176200714
naziboos BTFO once again

>>176200714
>p47 strafing tiger
>oh boy!
>watch Seabiscuit get filled with .50

you're a monster

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>>176201051
that horse picked the wrong side

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxeWuwOXHbE

where is WIC2?

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>>176201236

Tfw all I wanna do is play steel division but I'm stuck at work :(

>>176202196
what kind of work? can you play at work?

>>176202196
>tfw finished work but too tired to play steel division

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>>176202196
>working in house
>no time for SD
>enough time to complain on /wgg/!

>>176201498
Never hopefully, Massive is under Ubisoft now.

>>176202362
>anime
out

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>>176202531
German divisions need to be buffed

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So this is the power of german engineering

>>176202196
Unfortunately not. Work in a shop. And there are asshole calling and coming in wanting help all the time

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Will this break wehraboos?

>>176203374
ayy

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>>176203374
Ok, how do I calculate HE damage required to blow up vehicle?

Does it have to be open topped?

I know that Rocket fighter can kill jeep/motorbike/truck with one rocket run

I've noticed that I can blow up bren-like lights wih 1 AV with one run as well, 2 out of 3 times.

for AV 2 and 3, I usually use 2 rocket fighters at once, but its usually 50/50 chance or even less. Are there any data that can help me out here?

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Tank Warfare is that good shit

>>176203065
you see kamerade, this is a prototype Fallschirmpanzerjägerbombe 38(t) für 7,62 cm PaK 36 Ausführung B (FsPzJgBm 38(t) Ausf. B for short) anti-tank bomb, the idea was to drop it with a parachute from high attlitude over enemy advance, during the fall the crew would be capable of putting multiple rounds into the thin top armour of enemy tanks. When approaching the ground the crew would jump out with their own parachutes.

The weapon showed great potential during the testing, but due to the state of the Luftwaffe dropping it from aircraft was deemed too risky.

That's why the Ausf C. variant was developed, very similar in design, the only major difference being the delivery method, the bomb and the crew were to be brought over the target area with a modified V2 rocket.

After soting out the initial problems (the first test launch killed the whole crew and 5 personnel on the ground) it was accepted into serivce in early 1945. At least three launches against the advancing Red Army were performed but the program was terminated in March with the destruction or capture of the launch facilities and resource shortage.

Many historians agree that had this weapon could have turned the tides of the war, had the war lasted a few years longer.

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>>176203739

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>>176204047

>>176203730
There is some dumb damage hit roll i can't remember, it is dependant on HE and if it's open top it basically has no armour and the roll is very likely. With enclosed top armour rocket strikes has something like 3% chance to actually destroy a tank.

>>176204431
well, that doesnt explain much, but thanks anyway.

>>176205298
If you ask on the paradox forum i might give you a proper reply when I find out.

>>176205298
In WRD HE damage had big multipliers as armor increased. Full HE damage for 0 and 1 armor, 40% for 2, then I don't remember, maybe 30% for 3 and single digit percentages for 4+. Probably the same in SD but what's being scaled is kill chance.

>>176205298
also in RD rockets hit front/side armor, NOT top; top was only for cluster, laser guided bombs and very lucky artillery/dumb bomb hits

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>>176205819
>>176205920
Thanks, I'll have that in mind.

>>176205920
Funnily enough, 25 pounders are the only howitzer in the game that have an AP value.

>>176206705
No, nazis have them too

>>176207535
Which one?

>>176208284
the ones luftlande has

>>176208569
They have more than one towed howitzer, I'll have to check that out.

>>176209569
>>176208569
Alright so I just double-checked, and you misunderstand. The Luftlande can fire AP in direct fire, but the 25 pounder's -bombardment- has both an AP and HE value. It can snipe vehicles if they stay in a bombardment long enough, while the other howitzers that have AP shells use them like AT guns would. Just with god awful accuracy.

>>176203374
It will please my M4A3 76s greatly, that's for sure. And my Jumbos too. But to really make them mad, the Panthers' final drives need a 50% chance to permanently fail and force a bailout at some point after deployment, since during the Normandy campaign half of all Panthers were found abandoned with ruined final drives. (That component of the tank had a lifespan of only 150km.)

>>176206705
Expect that to go soon, brits can't have anything nice for when they sank the French navy early on in the war

>>176206478
MEIN FUHRER

I CAN WALK!

http://www.eugensystems.com/steel-division-normandy-44-352-infanterie-division/

352 pegasus infantry division.

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>tfw AT massacre

>>176209705
It used to be like this for FJ div. They patched it to direct which is superior I'm. Dispersion is probably a 3% Chance to hit let alone pen. Also, FJ howitzer has xp. I use them in place of the 37mm in phase a.

>>176211439
Imho*

>>176211083
[Furious typing on Reddit]

>>176214737
>*strafes cows*

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When will there be a game that accurately portrays the germans in ww2?

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>>176215210
can't wait

>>176215313
>*kills it*
>*reports another tiger kills to superiors*
>*tells jews to make 10 movies about it*

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>>176215210
I think SD does a good enough job.

Look, all the German soldiers are crying children like the Werhaboos on the forums!

>>176209716
Jumbo will be 18 and Tiger 2 H will be 19.
M4A3 76 will have 13 AP

>>176209705
have you ever gotten direct hit with indirect fire?
they will just panic and run away

>>176216396
Not by 25 pounders, which are the only ones really relevant in this respect. No one uses the things.

>>176215553
>loses war

>>176216501
It will probably be patched to be the same direct fire anyways. Same as german howitzer.

>>176215553
>can't do anything about it because dying in a ditch after the ronsons blew up the last wagon with supplies

>>176216687
>>176216839
t. assblasted hamplanets

>>176217028
t. loser

Crocodiles are top-tier.

>>176210615
I already play extremely infantry heavy with the luft. These guys could be right up my alley.

>playing open general
>Doing the classic PzGII campaigns
>no music
I had to fix this immediately, but I can't get the actual game to play the music, so I just have it going in the background. It just feels wrong to play panzer general without it.

>>176217598

Isn't Panzer Corps a 1:1 remake of Panzer General?

>>176217802
I haven't played it. Quick look though and it has like 20 dlc campaigns.

>>176217272
but im a warwinner :^)

>>176218105
It's pretty decent. I pirated it with the grand campaigns and it was an enjoyable experience since you went from 39 to 45 upgrading your core troops and promoting veterans. You get some freedom within the campaign like a decisive victory here or there might change the next set of missions or give you a choice of what to do.

>>176219917
I'll look into it. I think I'll pick up the base game and go from there. Maybe I'll pay for a few campaigns, or pirate them, I'll decide later.

>play steel division
>gates really boring mid phase B

what do?

>>176221059
stop playing luftlande

>>176221165
boring, not BTFO

>>176221059
Be more aggressive

>>176221059
>Boring in phase B
...What changed compared to phase A? If anything, Phase B is when the real fighting starts as both sides start bringing in their siege-breakers.

>>176221165
>>176221625
>not raping your opponent with airpower phase B
>frustrating all their assaults with well-timed bomber and fighter strafe
>While they are hopelessly bogged down in your infantry and an AT gun hiding in every forest
>Not launching an all out tank assault with your dirt cheap tanks you never used on the quietest front because all they have been fighting are soft targets so they have zero AT guns and have to spend the entire Phase C beating off your 20 shitty tanks pushing in their lines

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Guards Armoured When?

So guys when are we going to have mods for this SD44 game?

>>176224393
After the game releases

>>176224393
I don't understand how this will really benefit the game. Wouldn't mods cause people with them to not be able to play with other players who don't have the mod, thus separating the already ded community? Or are the mods just visual changes such as UI, textures, all that player-side stuff that won't affect other players?

>>176224239
>tfw watching A bridge too far to get hype for the Guards Armoured, American Airborne & British 6th Airborne

>>176224393
mods would probably kill SD
>a mod that extremely buffs Germany comes out
>all the wheraboos (85% of German players) refuse to play without it, vanilla matchmaking dies.

>>176224685
>>176224862
From what little has been said about modding, it sounds like it's just going to be meshes, sounds, etc.

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>>176225081
>it's just going to be meshes, sounds, etc
SD44 is saved.

>>176225081
I want custom scenarios and maps but thats probably dlc only so no one makes russian front for free

>>176225336
Dunno desu. They've been pretty silent so far on what's allowed. Like I said, that's just based on what little has been said by Eugen and Pdx so far. We probably won't know just how moddable the game is until release.

>>176225183
but that's not true

you can also add divisions, edit stats, even rules, like he damage resistance

and meshes, sounds etc obviously mean 100 wunderwaffel mods incoming (allies have jumbo so we added maus for balance)

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>>176224393
>Faggots start churning out their own RobZ/GSM/Blitzkreig type mods for SD and end up killing the multiplayer in the process as every new person just runs to shitty mods instead of learning the game.

There are already mods out for SD44 guys. Do you feel like the population has declined?

>>176226721
Maybe eugen should be better at balance to begin with eh?

What if everyone starts playing a realism mod that has the opposite dogma of RobZ/GSM/Blitzkrieg?

>>176226721
t. assblasted slav(e)

>>176226912
Realism mods are always shit, no matter the setting, no matter the RTS. There has literally never been a single good one fucking ever.

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>>176226553
>>176226721
SD44 is ded.

>>176227202
Maybe Eugen were on to something when they made mod support a pipe dream for their older games.

Come to think of it, the list of RTS mods that were ever any actual good is fucking tiny. Forged Alliance forever(SupCom), Shockwave(Generals), Modern Warfare(WiC), Complex(Homeworld), and World at War(MoW) are the only I can think of. 5 mods from over 2 decades of a genre.

>>176227502
Also, I just noticed, all of them have something in common: They maintain the core gameplay and inherit the systems from which the base game is balanced upon and try to improve the game from within it's already established framework rather than trying to reinvent the wheel.

There hasn't been a single good mod for RTS games that drastically changes the core mechanics of the game.

>>176227502
desert combat for battlefield1942, GT legends still lives thanks to its modding community though thats not a totalconversion

propably played some more

>>176226912
Players usually suck at balance even harder than the devs. For every game where modding is an option, there's always plenty of mods that mindlessly increase all stats because it's epic, and there's plenty of audience for them too.

You don't even need mods. WRD has most of the community playing 10v10 games on 4v4 maps and 4v4 games on 1v1 maps. And then they cry about artillery being OP and 90% of the units being useless [no shit you idiot, when you put 1000 points on a lane of course the only useful units are superheavies and AT planes].

I'm not actually against mods, "people" who like shit should be free to roll around in it as much as they want, but if anything Eugen getting better at balance will make the problem worse.

>>176226912
>>176228692
Mods always have most consistent results for singleplayer. Multiplayer stuff is very hit and miss. Wouldn't mind seeing some custom campaigns.

>>176228692
>>176228897
mowas2 offers modding and it produced robz which is literally the best mod ever made for mowas

>>176229018
never played mowas but some people here make it sound like robz is a wehraboo fantasy mod

>>176229175
and those people are retards who never played robz for more than a minute

>>176229259
Says the douche petrified of playing the actual game itself.

>>176229175
It's definitely wehraboo as fuck, but that's not really the problem with it. The problem with it is it's designed like complete ass and inserts a bunch of 'ebin stats xDDD' that fuck up the gameplay because MoW wasn't designed in the least to support them.

>>176229826
>xbox hueg maps
>complain that they increased the range
you are a special kind of retarded

>>176230473
>Have to play on shitty maps for a shitty, unbalanced mod designed around memes
Or, you know, I could just play the normal game made by actual game developers, or at most, a mod that understands that game developers probably know what they're doing, and don't go trying to 'reinvent' the game when they mod it.

>>176229259
>option allows you to disable artillery in mod
>doesn't disable artillery for germans

lol

>>176230754
the only the mowas devs know how to do is jew their "customers"

>>176230921
literal meme, well done

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honhonhon

>>176231508
>10v10

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Someone buy SD for me :3c

>>176231832
Only if you render special services to me.

>>176203065
I notice this a lot with Marders.

Treat them more like stationary guns that can retreat / relocate in a pinch, and you'll have way less frustrating losses like that. They seem to flip or get stuck in the tiniest ditches. I honestly don't let any vehicle bar T-34's anywhere near trench-works.

Honestly, I usually don't bother off-roading with much except T-34's because of the tendency for vehicles to kill themselves on trees or other German shit to get stuck. T-34's just seem to crush the trees, and seldom ever get into places you can't reverse out of.

I liked playing china in RD, will I like SD?

Is there cheeky breeky in SD?

>>176235321
There are poles in SD. Do they count?

>>176235321
15th Scotts and 91st Luftlande are pretty Chink-ish in playstyle. I'd say you'd like it more than wargame, the infantry gameplay is a lot more involved and meaningful now.

>>176236112
Do they have mortars?

>>176236315
I do like my infantry, especially when it can be relevant

>>176236461
When I play Luft, it's just infantry and AT guns for my entire initial deployment.
Mortars are part of the regular artillery lineup

>>176224393
Hopefully never, mods kill the multiplayer. They are only good for single player games like Skyrim, where you can reskin all of the females to busty lewd succubi that want to have sex with you each time you visit Whiterun.

>>176236461
The actual answer to your Polish mortar question is that we technically don't know but it's extraordinarily likely, as there are infantry mortars now, meaning the excuse for RD Poles not getting a mortar has been wiped out.

>>176232303
W-what kind of services?
I really want to play SD...

Now that you guys told me about those modding possiblities for SD44 I'm seriously considering a refund. I like to fully enage myself in a game, get competetive with clear rules etc. but if SD44 will go MoWAS way, I think I will just wait for Rising Storm 2 and then devote all my time into it.

>>176239617
>mowas is made by incompetent slavs
>SD is made by experienced devs

>>176239860
And somehow Eugen is still massively incompetent

>>176239617
SD has a lot of problems but good modding tools is unlikely to be among them. Eugen hates modding for some reason and what they've released so far is worse than the mod tools..

>>176224393
Mod branch will likely merge with main branch at release, but you can start making them now.

>>176239617
Wouldn't devote too much time into RS2, it doesn't seem like the kind of game that will last all that long compared to RO2.

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Victory Day in Russia tomorrow, you going to watch the parade and complain about USSR bias?

>>176242659
slavaboos need to get gassed tbqh

>>176242792
wehraboos first though :^)

>>176242792
>tried to exterminate people they thought were inferior
>got cucked and raped so hard all the following generations now have so called "inferior genetics"
>country turned into a meme
Germany should have been nuked desu

>>176242659
>and complain about USSR bias
Let it be biased, comrade.

>>176242301
What makes you think so?
I think it will be very popular among the same crowd that like RO2.

>>176243607
>continuously ruin europe through religious schisms, world wars and the EU
germany deserves the bomb

>>176228418
RTS mods. Please don't come back until you're literate.

Is there any info on what Guards Armored will have in it's list? I feel like Eugen is actually dumb enough to leave out Cromwells.

>>176248579
Cromwells are OP, already confirmed not in for balance reasons

literally a dead thread

>>176252145
Eugen games are shit.
Most other wargames don't have a playerbase here because they've been driven off by the shitty Eugen community.
This is the future you chose.

>>176252734
Should just ban Eugen fags to their own thread to die like we did with plane shitters

>>176252734
What if people start shilling for Gary Grigsby here?

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>>176239617
don't worry sd mod tools are trash

>>176252734
>muh secrit wargayming community
>there's DOZENS of us

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>>176252734
>>176253230
>The 3 people that give a shit about Combat Mission still are going to carry a general.

>>176253230
>>176253261
>>176253286
>>176253342
Most people that play wargames like Tigers on the Hunt, Close Combat, Grigsby, etc. don't come here. It would never work. The only solution is for the Eugen shitters to not chimp out every time somebody posts something in 2D, which seems unlikely since Eugen shitters can't even refrain from bitching about if you should be playing WarGame or Steel Division.

>>176200456
Goddamn it OP
>>175967496

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>when your team holds most of the map in conquest and the hitler youth won't attack your hill so you just piss away a company of infantry to cover your tds in a ww1 assault and still win because the other guy doesn't want to waist his precious hitler wagons.

>>176253683
fuck off with your keylogger faggot

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>>176227840
Firestorm over Kronus was pretty good.

>>176253490
>don't come here
Where do they go?

>>176256728
Usually to their respective game's forums. There are a handful of sites that bring in a wider variety but if there's one place that attracts a really large crowd, I haven't found it.

>>176256986
>haven't found it
Goddammit.

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>>176201051
Seabiscuit could be easily mistaken for an AAA target.
>Airborne Adhesive Acquisition

does the 20mm cannon on the p38 in steel division make it any more effective vs other planes than the p47? i havent used it yet, but im wondering what the advantage might be, other than cost.

>>176203739
>all those flies all over the bread and eggs
gross

>>176264227
Pretty sure the 8x.50s on the P-47 are still better than the 4x.50+1x20mm on the P-38, as it should be. Knowing eugene there's probably still some hidden stats involved, but on the stat cards you can see the P-37 gets 8 HE while the P-38 gets 4+2.

So yeah, between that, higher speed and better resilience, the P-47 is just better in every way but cost and phase. It's still worth taking the P-38s though, to deal with phase A bombers and ducks, and to help prevent luftlande from snowballing their air spam.

>>176264227
>>176265903
Not home to look in the client, but does the 20mm not have a mild range advantage or anything? I can't recall.

>>176266082
nope, same exact range.

>>176265903
i've had really good luck using the p47 to punish enemy planes. to be honest i havent had too much of an issue with phase a aircraft. i usually like to build up a nice force of fighters and really punish axis players for sending in unsupported bombers and ground attack planes in a surprise attack.

Does anyone know of a wargame that simulates command more accurately? For example, if I'm a company commander I don't micromanage each rifleman and machine gun - I issue broader orders to my platoon commanders and make fine adjustments where I see fit. Every game I've encountered wants me to micromanage on incredibly unrealistic levels - it assumes far too much agency for the commander.

>>176266650
Thanks for the fact check anon, shame though. Octo-fiddys reign supreme then it sounds like.

>>176269993
gravimeme i guess.

>>176269993
Gravimeme
but its hard

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>muh SS
>muh Panzergrenadiers
>muh Panther

>>176276837
is this supposed to be impressive or something

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>>176276837
>Jumbo
>Killing some shitty infantry, scout car and one panther
>Look at SD: Fury Edition Guise :-D
WOOOOW

>>176201236
it was hiding a jew in it's belly.

>>176215661
haha those kids are almost taller then those us soldier. manlets

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>>176277317
>>176278229
The AT gun stole the other Panther kills.

>>176279226
That just means you aren't a potato. Not even worth screenshotting desu

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>>176278229
How does this make you feel?
this guy refunded after this game

>>176280858
I am terribly triggered and I am about to refund the game as well, while hugging my 1:1 replica of Tiger II with superior krupp stahl

Is this what you wanted to hear?

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>>176281093
baited

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>>176281372

>>176284538
>german ui text
fuck off cepheilis

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>looking through the results of what I thought was a pretty mediocre battle
>lost two KV-1's (one maybe recoverable) in exchange for 15 halftracks and a good number of infantry
>scrolling over infantry stats expecting nothing much
>17 kills, 1 casualty, nearly half their ammo left still
>didn't even think I put them in a particularly good position
fuck, Prokhatov, you're a hero.

>>176284980
>the game gave someone in his squad a 'hero of the Soviet Union' medal, alongside an 'Order of the Red Banner'
beautiful

>>176284980
What game?

>>176286201
Graviteam, Operation Star.

>>176286438
>121€ worth of DLC

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>>176286847
>not downloading it all for free from the OP or getting it on sale for ~90% off

>>176287065
ebin

>slav(e) chimps parading a bunch of obsolete tanks and aircraft
>they are proud of it

LMAO

>>176288870
>fascists still butthurt they lost the war
I love me some nazi tears.

>>176290186
>only nazis hate snowniggers

LOL. betetr watch out a bear isnt drinking you vodka stash oleg

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Remove SK-18 from the game

>>176290186
>communism dying everywhere
>rise of fascism as we know it happening right now

Yeah and its the commies who won.

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>>176290912

>>176290912
>fascism
>rising
keep dreaming drumpf drone

>>176291034
t. putler-bot

>>176291034
>we live in a world where antifa exists
>HURR DURR NO FASCISTS

I hate fascists as much as anyone anon. They're here and they have to be stopped.

>>176291215
Antifa are the fascists

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>>176290805
Remove 17 pdrs first

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>>176291763
kys wehraboo

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>>176292085
German tanks shouldn't be allowed to take any damage

>>176291215
>beat up normal conservatives because you think conservatives = nazis
antifa logistics

>GuP cancer invades this thread

As with everything else I enjoy in my life it has to be infested with incurable cancer.

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>>176293720

>>176293720
At this point even anime fans hate GuP for taking cool subject matter and reducing it to yet another generic moe-trash trite. Maybe one day they'll get their own quarantine like the brony fags.

>>176293720
I don't understand, are you saying anime is cancer?

>>176294157
Speak for yourself dude. GuP has plenty of heart and only autists are offended by drifting tanks.

>no combat engineering
>no logistics lines
>no servicing broken down machinery
>no possibility for operational level pockets

>>176294256
Literally fuck off weeb

>>176201498
>no Warsaw Pact faction with T-72S and T-55 Merida, Strops and Rombs, Prams and Ondanas, etc etc
>no Chink/Nork faction with ZTZs and Chonmaho, etc etc

gay

>>176269993
The operational art of war.

>>176294924
That seems a little out of context my friend.

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>>176294256
>Heart
UUNNGH SUGOII KAWAII DESU NEEEH

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>>176294157
>Maybe one day they'll get their own quarantine like the brony fags.
one day we will round you normies up and put you in quarantine camps

>>176294965
wrong general to shitpost, im sorry

i will later be back and falseflag as a naziboo

>>176295162
You'll have to pry yourself from your greasy chair first.

>>176295005
It's not that stuff I mean. It's the pure love of tanks. I can forgive a bit of artistic licence with the facts and physics.

>>176295359
If you take artistic licenses with the facts you only love the idea, not the actual thing.

>>176295359
>love of tanks
>By completely bastardizing them, and reducing them to some weird airsoft middle schooler circlejerk
>Throws moe-shit on top as added insult to injury to further emasculate machines designed to kill people wholesale.
If by 'heart', you mean shameless merchandising and bandwaggoning for otaku-bux.

>>176295236
Stay in warthunder general you scrub.

>>176227502
What about Cold War Crisis for C&C Generals?

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>>176294157
There is already a containment area for people who like all kinds of things but are united by anime culture. Can you guess what that place is called?

>>176295359
There's artistic license and then theres what the modern jap anime industry does.

Its just anime girls fighting in mechs with a tank coat of paint.

Its a shame as well, if someone made a tank manga with the same kind of approach they took to making something like evangelion, then perhaps we could have had something truly excellent.

>>176295789
/a/

I suggest you go back there my friend, I think you will find people more receptive to this subject.

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>>176295664
no

>>176227502
Every Total war have had great mods, or do you count only purist RTS games. In which case you have a pretty mute point, considering SD44 and Wargame aren't traditional RTS games. There is also every Paradox game which has good mods.

>>176229259
RobZ is an acceptable wehraboo, he arrives at the same conclusions as wehraboos do without being a nazi apologist.

He also is not unsusceptible to reason and added in destruction by spalling to make ISU-122 and ISU-152 better vehicles.

He is misguided by his lack of understanding the differences between testing standards historically, which is honestly his downfall except from his belief in "muh training" memes.

He is alright most of the time honestly.

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>>176295960
Anime is for everywhere on 4chan famalam.

>>176295789
>>176295789
reddit?

>>176296220
wtf I hate mods now

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i want my fireflies

>>176296220
But, shitposting about anime is still shitposting.

>>176296220
The mods and admins can say whatever they want, it doesn't mean that you wouldn't be better off talking about this on /a/ instead of trying to cram /a/ where it isn't wanted and doesn't belong.

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>>176296318
Report it, and keep reporting it, and see what happens. Reporting anime posts annoys mods and gets you banned not them. So I highly suggest you just do that.

Shit posting is to flame about posts, because you don't like it. Flaming is a /b/ level post and contributes nothing.

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>>176296339
/a/ is for discussion of anime, not for anime pictures. 4chan is for anime pictures. If someone wants to discuss the current season of anime they can go on /a/. But that's not what people are complaining about.

Posting anime memes of manga style images relevant to the board/topic is allowed. Like 2 anime chicks in gornostrelki uniforms.

I miss the Metis-M before it was nerfed, picture somewhat related.

>>176296070
Yes indeed. Such a great mods...but based on what criteria again? Surely not popularity, because all they did was shrinking the already small playerbases of fairly succesful rts games.

>>176296623
What are you talking about?

>>176295789
No one likes GuP fags. Fuck off to /a/ where you might be at least marginally tolerated at best.

Not all anime is created equal, death to the moefags.

>Girls with cancer
>shitting up another thread
>again and again and again
>getting butt flustered when asked to leave

>>176296618
You confuse allowed with a good idea.

Every time people post these pictures the same shit starts and the same argument is had. But no, we must have the same song and dance.

This reminds me of the whole "fursecution" thing with furries, where they felt they were being attacked for being furries, when people were simply sick of them insisting on making everything furry.

>>176296868
This guy gets it

It's not an inherent opposition to anime. It's the fact that weebs are so fucking obnoxious and everything has to be made into anime.

Literally the same vein as Furries and Bronies

>>176297340
You guys are way too uptight about this anime stuff. Who gives a shit about what people post as long as they talk about wargames? Is this thread going to be "ruined" by anime pictures?

>>176297683
Show me a weeb who posted talking about wargames

>>176297683
Is this your first general? Many people here have seen what happens way too many times.

>1 anime pic gets posted
>68 posts of bitching

Guys I get that you don't like something but you end up being worse. Someone browsing the thread can skip over an anime pic but half a thread full of pointless arguing is a fucking chore

>>176297880
I feel like /wgg/ has more to fear from infighting and attempted thread policing than from anime pictures. You know, the other traditional bane of generals.

>>176296868
Yeah but we should totally gas the furrows anyway

>>176298014
But I like being thread police

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>>176298083
I don't think anyones gonna argue about that anon.

>>176297340
>tfw watch mlp and post in this general but mention ponies precisely zero times prior to now

Why are you so angry about a cartoon? Especially after 7 years, you're going to have to get over it sometime.

>>176298150
*yiff yiff*

>>176298340
Why did you have to mention it now?

Did you even read my post?

I was complaining about Bronies who make everything into brony shit, if you see that as a personal attack against you that's your problem.

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Girls und Panzer was a moderately enjoyable show, mainly because of how well drawn the tanks were, and the concept of tank driving for fun. I have never posted a GuP picture in this general, but if I did it would be related to a wargame.

This picture is related to the future 20 dollar expansion to SD44 called Bagration 44.

>>176298647
Just stating "this picture is related to X" doesn't count

You post actually doesn't have anything to do with wargames other than passing mentions

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>>176298647
>well drawn
>cgi

You are whats wrong with anime

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*blocks ur path*

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>>176298769
Anime picture depicting soviet stuff is related to a video game featuring soviet stuff as much as this picture is, which i got from this general too. And which no one complained about.

>>176298647
Reminder that Eugen games are not proper wargames.

>bitching about anime pics
>arguing about what games are wargames turns out none of them is

Now I remember why we died. We just miss some banter between bob and ivan.

Anyway, haven't been playing RD for a while, how has the meta changed with the more recent patches?

>>176299727
meta changed to SD

>>176299298
rip sam hyde

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/simg/ here
anime killed our thread and now it will kill yours ahahahaha

>>176300681
you are like a baby

t. /kspg/

>>176301174
>/kspg/
wasn't your general killed by a girl called yuri?

Does Steel Division have a matchmaking system?

One of the biggest put offs from playing wargame multiplayer is the fucking lobby system.

>>176303402
It does, but it's a work in progress.

>>176303402
Not yet, its supposed to be there but there is no info on how will it look like. Leaderboards are greyed out in the menu as well.

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The people who really kill threads are the people who don't contribute anything in their posts, but bitch at people for doing it. You can just hide anime, or ships, or sim, or squad, or what ever you don't like. You don't have to look at it.

We all want to talk about military shit, we all want games that promote proper and cool military tactics and equipment, I don't give a flying fuck if your post anime pictures, as long as this thread is alive, you can bump it however you like, as long as you don't discourage others from contributing. If you don't like particular contend hide it.

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>>176306183
Thanks for the public service announcement dead ass.

>>176306183
BUT MOOOOOOOOOOOOM CARTOON GIRLS MAKE ME ANGRY

>>176306183
slav man dropping woke ptabs

>>176300457
>SD is brand new
>RD is 3 years old
>still have about the same # of players even though SD is basically in a free trial

KEK! Shit Divismeme on S U I C I D E W A T C H

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>>176306183
So kind of like you're doing right now?

Dumbass.

>>176307093
>people aren't playing an unreleased game
really revs up my shermans

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Animes and communism, the perfect mix. This thread could use more of both.

>>176306518
K
>>176306568
Y
>>176306707
S!!!!

paki

>>176307440
>people aren't playing a brand new game that's running a 2 month long free trial

Shit Dookey: Number of players 44 BTFO!!!

SD better have a good fucking singleplayer campaign, I just want a good normandy map painter with real time battles

>>176307685
The preview stuff has looked pretty good. And having core units that carry over is a proven mechanic for making campaigns more interesting with your decisions having impact. Hopefully they don't choke.

Why didn't they go with eastern front? I mean, it's the most easiest front to balance, every side gets its heavy tanks and and oversized assualt guns.

>>176308141
You'd still have wehraboos whining that subhuman slavshit killed glorious aryan machinery

>>176308141
Lack of unit diversity I believe

>>176308630
lack of divisional diversity actually

>Stlel Dudvision: Noplayers 44
>Fail Divisshit: Nodepth 44
>Sleep Deadvision: Normieshit 44

>>176308428
At this point I think there are more people complaining about wehraboos than actual wehraboos.

>>176308881
I'm don't really think pure wehraboos could survive here. It's a very hostile environment.

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>>176307854
I just checked out some news about the single player
>there's no strategic element at all, no map painter, nothing, it's Wargame EE style
My heart's broken. Is there a WW2 wargame that does have strategic elements on top of the tactical battles?

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>>176307642
>being a dirty commie
do you wish to duel?

>>176308881
every "wehraboo" in this thread is falseflagging commie

>>176308958
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBhFgnADkpY&bpctr=1494351428

>>176309186
t. wehraboo

>>176309215
whoa... this is the power of pro-nazi music...
such shit lmao

Maybe if Germany gets more trophy tanks they finally may get some decent armor.

If Generals would have listened to Hitler nazis would have won the war.

>>176309152
>Is there a WW2 wargame that does have strategic elements on top of the tactical battles?
Oh that's what you wanted. Well then your shit out of luck. I don't think many WWII games have this because the idea is to be "historically accurate" which means fighting in battle that actually happened to try and mimic real life events. If you had a strategic layer, you would have to open things up for the player.
But yeah, that's not this game.

>>176308881
only here, though

steam forums and reddit are a constant stream of bitching for axis buffs

>>176309152
>Sad about this
EE's campaign was by far the best one, though. The other two sucked ass.

>>176309420
>Get the best tanks in the game
>Feed them to marauders and AT guns because totally oblivious
>Cry on forums until your opponent gets nerfed
>Rinse and repeat
Every WW2 game ever.

>>176309629
>If Generals would have listened to Hitler
hitler was the strategic problem, dummy

>>176310057
He was actually ok until he became drug addict

>>176310057
germany was stabbed in the back by its high command, german generals were probably jews who constrained hitlers ubermensch genius

>>176309718
I just want a strategic map painter + real time battles in one game that isn't total war for once. It hurts to live.

>>176310057
only because he was listening to his stupid generals

>>176310219
dow campaign offers this albeit on a rather small scale

>>176309629
They did. That's part of why they lost so handidly

>Derp de doo lemme just split my army up to take strategically tertiary objectives when I can literally decapitate the soviet government
>It's not like winter is right around the corner
>As a matter of fact let me do it twice, and then get bogged down in a meaningless city and let a chunk of my army get encircled out of stubborness and 'muh honor'.

>>176309215
>not posting glorious NSBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pafCw6Ik3iQ

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>>176310394
Yeah I do like the old DoW campaigns. Company of Heroes 2 Ardennes Assault does it too, it's just a bit too simple though.

>>176310525
Stalingrad was not meaningless it opened way to Caucasus oil fields, and the fact that Hitler ordered them not to retreat did not mattered, because they had no chance for breakthrought

>>176310917
>No chance for a breakthrough
>After they're already encircled because Hitler kept putting off any orders of manuever
No Shit

>Muh oil fields
Which he could have had anyway had he listened to the cacophony of generals that told him to just go for Moscow and finish the fucking job they had already started.

Maybe it's not a good idea to let some faggot that was never even an officer, or even senior enlisted, be totally in charge of all military strategy.

>>176310525
To be fair, the turn south was actually a good idea once you look at the situation at the time, Stalingrad became what it became because the germans thought that it would be a natural rally point for the red army, and most generals supported the decision to keep Paulus in the city until it was to late to do anything.

>>176311405
Wouldn't have needed to go there if they just hit Moscow when they fucking planned to originally

>>176310525
>I can literally decapitate the soviet government
Taking Moscow would literally change nothing. Government can govern the country from another place and all the important industry was evacuated east.

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French huge income in A phase will be nerfed, mark my words.

It would have been fine if game had a fixed amount of time, without the total victory condition. Because now its basicly is: I have an economy boost in longest and most important phase of the game, and you MIGHT have economy boost if you survive until phase C. Which dont happen like 30% of the times, and even if, You have so much ground and points to retake you basicly have to make crazy, suicidal pushes against hons, which makes you bleed requisition like crazy

>>176311512
You assume that if they hit they would automatically win here.

Well, its not quite possible. They already were having problems due to overstrechtiing their supply lines, also you forgetting that Red Army existed and they would have protected Moscow in harst street fights close to Stalingrad ones.

>>176311557
It was still a massive transport and communications hub. It arguably would have let the Soviets to need to throw everything at it to take back.

>>176311703
It would be literally the same as Stalingrad.

>>176311635
>Eugen ever making the French anything other than utterly exceptional
So far they're the only battlegroup in the game that gets units that another battlegroup gets at a cheaper price. Why the fuck the French get both an absurd income AND cheaper units is fucking beyond me.

>>176311684
The Red Army wasn't in nearly as good a position in Moscow 1941 as they were in Stalingrad in 1942/43

>>176311845
It's extra absurd considering the Free French did fuckall despite De Gaulle taking credit for everything.

>>176311902
German supplies were also strechted way more.

Why is Anime just utter cancer that ruins everything? It doesn't matter which board you go on these autistic fuckbags spread this shit everywhere when asked to take it back to /a/ we are assaulted by a million images not related to anything but their autistic screeching.

>>176311703
>Russians
>Fighting to bring communism back into power after you've decapitated their government
The moment Stalin was gone that entire country would have collapsed and capitulated without the big brother system looming over their heads anymore.

Ukraine even greeted the Germans as heroes, and could have been a major ally had Germany not been run by retards who then proceeded to starve the place(again) and work a chunk of it's people to death.

>>176311939
They were qctually quite good at going fast down the roads.

>>176311998
You're actually retarded.

>Wow Ivan the Germans have raped and burned their way across our lands after stabbing us in the back breaking the nonaggression pact

>let use welcome them as heroes and liberators!

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>>176312247
>Wow Ivan this whole German thing fucking sucks but at least they're killing and raping way less people than the politburo

We should have listened to Patton and slaughtered the commies when we had the chance.

>>176312413
It wasn't even a matter of fighting for an ideology for the Russians, most of them just really fucking hated Germans

Don't blame them desu

>>176309953
Ive lost panthers to stuarts
I swear the last one had like 2% chance to penetrate too and it still won the engagement for being first to fire

>>176313127
Position them right and stuarts of all things stand no chance. They can't even frontally penetrate without closing in to 500m. Against a tank that can pen it at 1200m.

That's not the stuart being broken, that's you fucking up.

>>176311512
Except that if they did it when Gunderian wanted they would overstrech themselves and create a massive flank that the soviets would exploit, and doing that it in 1942 would be suicidal because the soviets had created a massive network of fortifications going all the way to Moscow proper, plus massive reserves, while keeping the south undermanned.

>>176313457
the maps have french bias
not enough space to display my glorious firepower

>>176311998
>Stalin literally couldn't leave Moscow as he was welded onto his throne

>Russians would forget the Germans all the mass murders, mass rapes and burned villages

>>176313804
>Slavshit fortifications
>Stopping the Germans
Ah yes, I'm sure this haphazard military that just purged all of it's officers and is still largely using WW1 equipment(And sometimes little to no equipment at all), while having surrendered over a million of it's troops up to this point, would have totally stopped the Wehrmacht from taking Moscow and grinding them to a halt for a massive flanking maneuver to take place.

Especially when most people there were fearful conscripts being pushed into the fight with bayonets at their back.

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>>176311939
This holy shit.
Free france did fucking nothing but of course Eugene made the frenchies the strongest faction AGAIN

Why do devs always make their own country the strongest, i'm sick of this fucking bullshit

>>176313804
The Germans still had the initiative, momentum and materiel advantage at this point

>>176314207
>Implying the incredibly flimbsy system holding on by the skin of it's teeth would survive the blow to it's credibility that would be losing it's capitol city.

Please. Half his cabinet would be stumbling over themselves to backstab Stalin and kiss up to the Krauts.

>>176314497
>Half his cabinet would be stumbling over themselves to backstab Stalin
>Implying Stalin wouldn't have killed himself before they'd even have the chance

>>176314497
>Half his cabinet would be stumbling over themselves to backstab Stalin and kiss up to the Krauts.
Stalin had them replaced too often for them to get comfortable and make cliques

I like stomping on the AI for shits and giggles but it seems like the AI doesn't know how to use bombers at all, they only call in recon planes and fighters, I'd really enjoy chewing their bombers up with flak and my own fighters, pls fix eugen thnx

>>176315263
Stalin didn't seem the type to do that. He'd probably just REEE and try to kill them first.

>>176315616
I don't think you need a clique when your batshit crazy leader just lost the capitol and opened the floodgates to a nationwide frenzy of panic and disorder as almost all infrastructure of government is kicked over and sent on the run.

He'd either kill himself, or be killed by someone from his cabinet, if not captured and turned over.

And that's to say nothing of the total anarchy the rest of the country would become

>>176315864
I disagree, I reckon if he lost Moscow he would have absolutely lost the fucking plot to the point of reckless, self-destructive insanity.

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>Innocent Fraulein Konigstiger goes for walk near Colleville
>Gets lost and can't find her way home in all the smoke
>Suddenly Amerikanischer Jambo gets in front of her, his big black 75mm fully erect
>"Ayo gurl what'chu doin 'round here?"
>Fraulein Konigstiger blushes "Ich bekannt lost"
>"well den dat's just a shame. Maybes I can help yous finds your way?" Jimbo says, sliding up closer to her
>Fraulein Konigstiger, feeling threatened, throws a rock at Jumbo
>It bounces off his empty Amerikanisch head
> Suddenly five of Jambo's friends come out from behind him, 75s and 76s fully erect and stabilized
>They close in on the Fraulein, and start groping at her calling "ficki ficki"
>"Nein, I am built with Superior Krupp Stahl! You cannot hurt me!"
>Fraulein Konigstiger tires to run, but the road gives way under her and she gets stuck in the mud
>"Aww, what's a matta gurl? We got a big one boys!"
>A tiny Amerikanischer tank circles around ze Fraulein
>100% chance to penetrate
>Fuel Explosion

>wheraboos think Stalin was a batshit crazy leader
>wheraboos think that Moscow would have been taken in 41 if they hadn't diverted south to Kiev
>wheraboos talk shit about soviets using ww1 equipment when germans were using horses for the majority of their logistics
wheraboos are the cancer of wargaming.

>>176316938
>when germans were using horses for the majority of their logistics

That was literally everyone except americans.

>>176316783
hot

>>176316783
I came.

anti-wehraboos are just as obnoxious and irritating as wehraboos themselves

>>176317224
this, both of you fuck off

>>176317014
It was only a problem for Germany though

>>176314228
German infantry literally hadn't catch-up with its motorized forces yet when Gunderian, his railheads where in Minsk, and his supply depots where in Warsaw, even if Gunderian got his way, he would arrive just in time to see the russian mud season and the general colapse of his logistical lines, plus, if russian fortifications where so shit, why army group south could breach the soviet lines south of Smolensk without support from army group center? And why actual military historians agree that the turn south was the correct decision? And why there was so few objections to the turn from german generals when Hitler decided for it? And why they supported to focus on the Caucasus in 1942?
>>176314497
The purges, despite fucking up the USSR and the red army, did remove anyone that could make a move against Stalin, plus the germans and Hitler in particular would simple not cooperate with soviet even if they agreed to be german puppets.

>>176317501
*when Gunderian wanted to launch an offensive against Moscow

>>176316938
I'm a burgerboo, though. Both sides were incompetent degenerates.

>>176317224
americunts are the worst though