/wfg/ - Warframe General

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Mag still a cute

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>ITPT

people caring about what other people thinik of their weapon-fu!

Like why, why does it matter if an idiot refuses to use a good weapon, its their loss, why care if they choose not to use it because they don't think it's good.

the other side

what does i matter if someone thinks a shit weapon is good, they are only hurting themselves by using it why do you care?

inb "muh but if they keep being allowed to spreading misinformation whhhaaaaa!!!" so what more people start using a weapon they think is good or people stop using a weapon they were told is bad but is actually good. WHO. FUCKING. CARES?!?!?! Oh wait I know this cess pool. If someone spews a shit opinion you disagree with your whiny bitch ass isn't gonna change anyone's opinions on the matter because not a single fucker in this general ever cites much less actually read through the 0.00000001% of actually cited evidence that is not self done with hillbilly-dropped-out-of-middle-school-math "proof", so who gives a fuck.

>kohm ends up being a decent but far from the "MILLIONS OF DPS" gun people claim

color me surprised

it's like someone actually providing webm proof speaks more than a million shitters shitposting

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Why the actual fuck are negative stats allowed in riven rolls?

>>176173268
>MILLIONS OF DPS
it never was. It was good for a completely different.
new much?

>>176173278
>Not making stupid ass - flight speed bullet walls

>>176173278
>not wanting -zoom

>Godgun Kohm build is still the best build for it
>oldfags/innercirclers/autists know the build, newfags dont
>newfags are upset that Godgun Kohm isnt a thing now and think that its the oldfags fault
did i get that right?

>>176173375
the holy grail of negative stats...... I wish there was a default mod for negative zoom. fuck dps I want situational awareness.

new update pls

>>176172816
Akstiletto consistently need one reload to kill, can't quite do it in one mag.

Vaykor hek with full crit build needs 4 to 7 shots, which is slightly better to much worse TTK

Tigris P needs 2 to 3 reloads, which is significantly worse, same for sancti

and no, I don't feel like posting webms of all of those, you can go test yourself

I can give you the builds because you clearly need them

where do you guys go for solo animo farm?

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>>176173216
>people caring about what other people thinik of their weapon-fu!
Akzani is my gunfu and will forever be
I had to give it a lot of forma and care to get it up to speed with real content but it was the first gun I crafted in the foundry and I have a rather amazing riven for it
People ask if there's some (((hidden knowledge))) but there's not, it just shoots a lot of bullets a lot of fast
Killed mutalist alad v in the other day's sortie from about half health while bleeding out
Requisite [I have autism] image because we all know where we are

>>176173268
>speaks more than a million shitters shitposting
>he was the one shitting posting- was corrected-continued to shit post- and now continues to shit post-and now hides the fact that not only did he cause but is also pushing blame on to others >>176173559


where are the fucking moderators

>>176173268
did you miss the part where the damage from the kohm comes from the multishot (and great innate punch through)? This is why it becomes the god gun with a riven, because that can add multishot.

>>176173586
I prefer regular Hek for consistency's sake desu. maybe with a riven the vaykor could be better but I don't have one.

>>176173559
to be fair after the first behemoth juggernaut event they did smack is pretty fucking hard with the nerf bat (same time they toned down the visuals on it). It's not a bad weapon now but it is not the unholy apocalypse bringer that it was before.

>>176173750
I'm one forma short on regular Hek so I didn't test it (can only slot rank 4 contagious spread instead of 5) but that reload just annoys me too much.

Remember when Hek, Gorgon and Twin Vipers were the best guns in the game? And how everyone lost their shit when Ogris came out?

Yeah, this game has changed.

>>176173720
I just got here, dont try and blame me for whatever is going on

>>176173792
they didnt nerf the kohm at all

>>176173996
Nah, I started during Cryotic Front. The hek's well worth the forma though, the vaykor is more of a sidegrade than anything. That augment is fantastic. Still speaking for it without a riven of course.

>Madauri lens


HEY CUNTS HOW ABOUT IF YOU PUT IN A SHIT REWARD LIKE BASIC LENSES YOU MAKE IT SO YOU CAN AT LEAST CHOOSE WHICH ONE YOU GET YOUR SHIT FOCUS SYSTEM MEANS I ESSENTIALLY GOT NOTHING.


FUCK.

>>176173792
I remember going into that mission with 3 mirages with kohms

we were at extraction before the game was done talking about how dangerous it was

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>>176174003
yes they did

>>176173996
I remember Ogris and punchthrough being fucky. All those brand new Dojo weapons were really, really screwy, like the Dera dealing like 5 damage before they buffed it and the Acrid being hilarious.

>>176174165
they nerfed something else

>>176174147
It was so great when it was a projectile weapon.

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>Reminder: Hydroid and Valykr Stances also have good spread

>>176174130
Calm down, chances are is that Madurai will be the newest OP focus school this following Wednesday night.

>>176174231
I remember Xini with Ogris, camping on that one crate and some annoying (then newly released) Vauban spamming vortex and sucking us all to the ceiling.

I also remember Twin Vipers or Hek with punch through and Saryn Spores actually crashing host computers. Good times.

>>176173584
no

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>>176174240
that was also when all the clones would shoot instead of only 2

>15 kohms, all spraying hundreds of bouncing glowy projectiles everywhere
>game looks like a multicolored sandstorm

but that was fun, so it had to be nerfed

>>176174505
Vauban was so good on his launch. Survival weekend was like right after that, too, and I remember everyone using him there. Remember when PvP was relegated to hidden nodes that could only be moused over but were unlisted?

>>176174238
the nerfed the amount of projectiles down to whatever pathetic amount it is now, before it wasa BASE of something like 35+ and when multi shot mods came out for everything is when it hit unholy god tier levels of dps, the nerf was two fold it was to reduce the visual effects of the flak and to out right chunk the amount of projectiles it put out.

it was the talk of the town when it happened and everyone pointed to all the people spamming mirage with kohm during the event as the cause.

>>176174393
Hah, it's just going to be nerfs to Zenurik and Naramon.

If they actually gave a shit about that system they would have fixed it a month or so after it came out.

>>176174732
>when it hit unholy god tier levels of dps
have people already forgotten?
jesus

>>176174754
>if they gave a shit about it they would have internally tested it before release

FTFY

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>saw Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. II this weekend
>that one scene where Rocket goes full Vauban on what are basically Grineer
>tfw playing Vauban will never be that fun

Vauban rework now or RIOT

>>176174231
Acrid is still my most used secondary, stat-wise.

Vauban / Ogris / Acrid / Tipedo

Good times.

>>176174731
I don't, cause I stopped playing for a while before that.

But I remember Nova on launch. Now THAT was fucking ridiculous. Not only the instand MPrime but also the AFWUL fucking bloom effects that we got together with custom energy colors and the infested palette.
>load into Xini
>3 Novas
>EYE CANCER PINK explosions
>EPILEPSY BLUE explosions
>BURNING NEON GREEN explosions
>cast MPrime myself to add
>BLINDING white explosions

It was fun.

>>176175006
I left the game before the Tipedo became a thing. Sorta bittersweet in that I was able to escape the shit game for a while but then also skipped some cool stuff.

>>176174726
It wrekt the jobless crybabies playing on toasters, which is why it was nerfed.

>>176175171
>shotgun savvy
EVERY
TIME

>>176175249
What's wrong with shotgun savvy?

>talking about kohm new vs old
>ctrl+f "Viral"
>zero results
the shitters are coming out of the woodwork

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>>176175171
>still posting a build without the mandatory riven that literally everyone talking about godkohm knows is necessary
>acts like his "test" is indicative of anyfucking thing at all
Kill yourself, doublenigger.

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>>176175006
Acrid bros unite!

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>>176175249
>how DARE he confuse 2 rarely-used mods with extremely similar names

plz I already admitted it was my mistake, can we put this behind us

>>176175358
I remember Gottfaust's dps calculator. Is it still valid?

Is this game populated ?

>>176175528
http://steamcharts.com/app/230410

>>176175458
yeah, he made it so you can custom edit/add mods and weapons

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>>176173586
and just to taste my own medicine, here's my webms

I'm not going to time things with a stopwatch, but it's very obvious that akstilletos, tigris P, and v.hek all have comparable TTKs compared to kohm (and yes, akstilleto can easily kill in 1 mag, and tigris P kills in 1 mag also)

Difference is, Akstilleto doesn't have damage fall-off and can be used at any range, while tigris/hek both have significantly better ammo efficiency than Kohm

Overall, is Kohm good? Probably, though I haven't played it enough to say definitively. Is Kohm this "MILLIONS OF DPS" weapon everybody is creaming themselves over? Fuck no.

For the record, tests like these are what weapons guides should be based on, not "I think it's good so I'm gonna put it on my shit list"

(posted wrong pic previously)

>>176175528
Yes, important content always has squads. The only dead stuff is non-boss low level content.

stacking viral

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i'm not really sure what this is supposed to be

>>176175738
An Ancient Evil Osprey has awoken

>>176175605
Well this is just fantastic news. Anyone uploaded an up to date one, or just Gott's latest build of it?

>>176175738
birb with stick on back

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>>176175402
no "professor" we can't

your self-righteous, holier-than-thou, smug fucking attitude gives us every right to shit on you for the rest of time for making such a massive mistake on a simple fucking task

it calls into serious doubt the already questionable validity of literally everything you've ever written, including your precious "guide"

best kill yourself now

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>Go do focus
>Potato's eyes are closed
>still closed
>ded
>Opens eyes, blinks rapidly

Just give these pieces of shits a BED

>>176175923
if you think there's any problems with the guide, go point it out, I welcome criticism. who knows? - maybe you shitters might even find something

a stopped clock is right twice a day

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hey guys, I heard that TTK is severely impacted by line of sight

>>176175628
I just checked, for some reason I had fucking energy siphon on Wukong. I assume you have CP.

>Akstilleto doesn't have damage fall-off and can be used at any range

Kohms damage falloff is capped at a very reasonable percentage and I am not sure when it starts, I might have already gotten some when I was shooting outside of the ground slam range there.

Also, like people said earlier, the DPS (should) explode with a riven, much more than you expect, due to its unique mechanics. I can't test that because I don't have one but now I want to aqcuire one. I just haven't felt the need to use any meta guns for months, the game is so piss easy now it doesn't matter.

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Okay, question; how are you guys always so sure TQ is that one particular anon you're accusing of being TQ at any given moment. I'm pretty sure there are at least 4 anons taking turns at larping as TQ at this point

>>176176097
Absolute trash, throw it off the tierlist.

>>176176286
the general is way too ded and if it was more than one person moderators would have proper dealt with it YEARS ago

but seeing as 3/4 of the last thread is just fucking tq circlejerk no surprise nothing has fucking happen

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>>176176286
>tfw you have reaction image full of anime girls but if you use them people think youre TQ or one of his larpers

warframe is too easy to care about minmax at all compared to just using whatever is fun to you. especially when the beginner weapons you can choose at the start for free can carry you all the way up to sortie 2 with a tater and forma.

just build a tigris for sortie 3 and any other dumb GOTL challenges

>>176176286
Usually it's because even without a trip he still sticks out like a sore thumb, even when he's samefagging. He's been at it for so long his posts have a patterns to them.
Tho to be fair it's just as frequent that whenever someone starts acting particularly autistic everyone starts raising their eyebrows in suspicion.

>>176176213
I've actually tested Kohm's damage fall-off previously when I was arguing with Gottfaust. Damage fall-off starts as early as 15m and seems to cap at 20m at 50% damage falloff. 50% reduction is pretty damn significant. 20m isn't a long distance. And that's not without taking into account the natural damage falloff of all shotguns from pellet spread.

In any case, the viability of a gun shouldn't be tied to 1k plat extremely specific Rivens. I highly, highly doubt all the people saying "m-muh 1mil DPS" all have magical Kohm rivens.

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>>176174813
don't worry friend I have not forgotten but we wouldn't want it to get out and get nerfed now would we?

>>176176286
he is easy to spot
if he is more than one person, they are basically identical posters so the point is moot

>>176176681
you know you can edit the filename in the quick reply box, right? maybe its just a 4chanx thing

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>>176176286
My potato is too beautiful for this to be true.

How about someone takes a good picture of TQ's Potato and use that as a [forced and shitty] meme.

>>176176698
>even when he's samefagging
[citation needed]

>>176176705
>1k plat extremely specific Rivens
the great thing is, no one cares about kohm and it has low disposition, 200p should get you a good one

I'll get one tomorrow and see for myself. I don't like discounting things without testing myself. And testing stupid shit is fun and can sometimes yield surprising results.

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>>176176793
It's a 4chanX thing but I don't wanna install that, whats TQ's file naming convention anyways? I thought he was only identifiable with anime girls

>>176176914
hurr durr, I meant high disposition of course

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So do we all finally agree that Kohm without a riven, while a good gun, is far from the "m-muh 1mil DEEPS" gun everyone is claiming it to be?

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>>176176975
underscores and the name of the girl in the title, usually with a verb or description of what they are doing, pic related as example

he also has a very small folder

>>176176975
after awhile you get an eye for spotting his autistic ass backwards logic chains and writing "style" the over used anime girls are just a way to double down on it.

>>176176286
>how are you guys always so sure
pattern recognition

It's possible to pick out considerably less autistic anons based on posting style alone. Even without the tierposting and not_avatars_honestly images our local idiot's pretty fucking obvious.

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>>176177116
>"m-muh 1mil DEEPS"
Youre seeking validation from newfags being wrong.

>>176176975
pic related

>>176176097
LOS is practically irrelevant

I used an Exilus Adapter on __Ash Prime

I feel... strange, and not the good I felt the last time I used one.

>>176174929
>you will never get a top down view of Ivara's Navigator zigzagging through crowds of 50+ dudes while you stroll through the level

Good movie, would recommend

I hope topgun is taking notes. THIS is how you make a weapons guide, with actual testing and build comparisons, not fucking "I like this gun so I'm gonna put it on there, lol it's not supposed to be objective xD weapons aren't about TTK."

It's ironic that even when I'm wrong about something, I still produce more productive discussion than topgun.

>>176177640
>taking notes
now you are just coping the words he uses?

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Post high damage numbers

>>176177640
>talking about DPS
>on kohm
You clearly dont know how THE BUILD worked on kohm.
>I still produce more "discussion" discussion than topgun
Good, thats the point and its why your content is failing. Notice how i added the quotation marks

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>>176177781

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>>176177781
crits

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>>176177781
its amazing what you can really do with 3 crit mods at once

>>176177882
>m-muh sekrit club
>h-he doesn't know

>it's like someone actually providing webm proof speaks more than a million shitters shitposting

>Pub Neo Europa Intercept Fissure for trace+animo
>one of the pubs rolls a rare that I already had
>2 bail at the last second instead of continuing and host migrates to me
>the pub that stayed doesnt put down a relic, or even try to get 10 reactant for the trace
>I roll a rare off of an intact
Poor pub missed out on free ducats/plat.

>>176178064
if you think that DPS mattered on THE BUILD then you never figured it out. Viral procs use to stack, and the kohm use to be the fastest way to exponentially lower enemy health with procs, regardless of damage. Telling other anons about this without setting of the delet this meme was the original point of the first topgun

shitters and newfags do not know this.

>>176178031
isn't the damage cap the max 32 bit integer, which would be 2,147,483,647

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>>176178031
!

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>>176178356
its not a shoop

>>176178434
it was on atterax

>>176178324
>clearly mention TTK
>STOP TALKING ABOUT DPS
what did illiterate retards mean by this?

I have no idea why you're even bringing up the viral shit, it hasn't been relevant in years

>>176178356
Dumb ass, Warframe runs n a 64 bit integer when you enable DirectX 11

>>176178324
Ah, now you fucked up.

Viral proc stacking was removed before Kohm was released. You're a newshitter that parrots what he sees here.

Kohm was introduced in 15.6
Viral stacking was removed in 11.


http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_2.0/Viral_Damage?oldid=663011

>>176178630
Stacking was removed in 12, dingus.

>>176178724
typo, sorry

>>176178630
something doesnt add up then, because I do distinctly remember viral stacking with kohm. Bug?

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>>176178630
>topgun turns out to be a newshitter parroting what he sees on /wfg/

>>176178590
>DE stores mod data in 64 bit integers
well I wouldn't be surprised if they did something as stupid as that.

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>>176178815
>>176178590
Oh well. In either case, TTKs with viral were the important part about the Kohm, not the DPS.

Its either a lapse in memory, or I'm thinking about something else. In any case, its a mistake.
if youre trying to say im a newshitter, youre trying too hard. newfags werent around for stacking viral

>>176178793
Haha, no. That was never a thing. There was over y ear between Kohm and the removal of stacking.

There also were no bugs with it, I know because I crafted it the day it came out and rushed it and put my 4 forma into it that same day. I regretted it at first but then they kept buffing it more and more with hotfixes until it was OP as fuck.

You know what the great thing about being Anonymous here is? You can admit you fucked up or you can just stop replying when you're exposed and keep posting normally and no one will know it was you. You should do one of those two now, prevent embarrasing yourself further.

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>>176178630
>>176178793

>he think DE's sleek fixes are permanent

if you look under your seats the jew whip is unnerfed and gas sleek has an acceleration to its procs (from 10 ->15dmg pers procs to 1000-> 75 dmg procs in the span of a few seconds)

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so DE finally responded

>>176179164
see >>176179164
>admit you fucked up
yup, my mistake

>>176179109
except your shitty guide uses neither DPS nor TTK

just delete it already and stop fucking misleading newshitters, you're doing more harm than good by recommending garbage weapons

>>176179329
Story?

>>176179371
if you don't know it doesnt matter

>>176179340
>bringing up the topgun
You cant try and capitalize on a lapse in memory that happened at the same time as me forgetting to take my trip off.

continue to be BTFO

>>176179474
Both, you retard.

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>>176179329
Now shut the fuck up and do not speak of your good ded here ever again. Purple Text are amongst us everyday all day, and goys who got kicked out of GOTL but continue to suck dick +
TQ

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>>176179596
if i had enough for them both i wouldn't have to decide you jag

>>176179534
what the fuck are you even talking about? spouting non-sequiturs aren't convincing anyone

I'll repeat it one more time so your retarded brain can parse it better

DELETE YOUR WEAPON CHART
It's fucking garbage because it's not based on DPS or TTK, and only misleads newshitters but recommending absolutely garbage weapons. Don't fucking reply to me unless you fucking address this

I'd also like you to delete that filth you call a frame guide, but one step at a time, amirite?

>>176179720
You're cute when you sperg out

>>176179695
Had enough what? You can farm Banshee Prime, so you can buy Mag.

>>176179720
TUMMY KISSU!!!!

How do you guys decide what weapon to build next? I'm looking for a new melee weapon. Currently rocking dual ethers and loving it, but I know they're not the best.

>>176179474
>tumblr
>underscore
>breaking rules

MA-MOOOOOOOODS

>>176165764
no not really
its not even a control revert they purposely fuck it up so you would keep using the experimental flight controls

anyways people found it better to navigate the tunnels with the new system but thats just opinion

>>176179109
>TTKs with viral were the important part about the Kohm, not the DPS.
Against everything but Grineer and Corrupted, sure. But that's the same for every weapon.

Also I think I lied about the 4 forma. Seems I didn't put them in until it was buffed a bit later as. I found a screenshot from a week after its introduction that shows that I was still working on it but I can't post it because 4chan things the image contains an embedded file.

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I'm having trouble coming up with color scheme for boipussy. These are the best I've got so far, but I still kind of hate these. I've never had so much trouble coming up with a color scheme I could be satisfied with as I have with Nezha. Anyone wanna share theirs?

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>>176179929
also I found this amusing gem

>>176179974
if it's not green and purple with limbo agile stance, you're doing something terribly wrong

>>176179720
I know this is different than how you operate, but try and follow.

I, Anon Anonson, do not take insults/criticism to topgun_mk2 and Frames and Modding guide personally. I use the tom trip as a way for people to quote me during conversations about the topgun_mk2 and Frames and Modding guide. I use the tom trip to have conversations with you. I DO NOT use the tom trip as a way for me to identify myself to other anons outside of these situations.

Insulting me or the things I make has no impact. The only thing you can do is use logical, decisive arguments.

>>176179929
>same for every weapon
true, true

>>176180137
DAT SOME JOJO MY NIGGA?!

>>176180143
I didn't fucking ask you about your trip you fucking retard. I asked you why you're making a fucking weapons chart not based on DPS ro TTK, and you literally didn't answer a single fucking thing

don't fucking reply with more bullshit

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Looks like we won't be getting 55% off the Nidus bunduru, is this game really that dead?

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>>176179720
>>176180370
well actually, you didnt ASK anything, now did you?

All it was was a suggestion (albeit a rude one), and I didnt think that it was a very good suggestion. Got any good reasons why I should follow it?

>>176180370
Shot in the dark here, but probably because it's a starter guide and we don't want to just give DE a neat list that can easily be relabeled as "Things that need nerfing." Also, in a starter guide the TTK for any half-decent weapon in starter/DE approved content would be one shot. In short, who fucking cares?

>>176180563
lol Nidus is icky XD so bad for fashionframe

>>176179329
wow it's fucking nothing
>thanks for your concern we'll be forwarding your report straight into the trash bin
>t. poorslav that feigns customer support for potato

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>>176180563
You couldn't handle Nidus. Nidus is too strong for you.

>>176180758
I couldn't handle his grind, THAT'S for sure!

>>176179329
>If you are not one of our popular, youtube, and/or hated clans, we will not care.

>>176180758
but darvo im going into battle and I need your STRONGEST WARFRAME

>>176180668
except it's a terrible starter guide precisely because it's not based on TTK or DPS. You can literally fucking put anything on there, and topgun does, bloating it out with the most worthless weapons. Literally all it does is mislead new players into thinking garbage like telos akboltos are good, or that sonicor is a good damage gun, or that sobek is on the same level as tigris/hek.

>>176180568
>basing a weapons guide on DPS/TTK is not a "very good suggestion"
I'm just going to stop bothering. Any insults I throw at you pale to the mockery you've already made of yourself

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>>176180563 >>176180758 >>176180835 >>176180934
cut that shit out

it wasn't funny years ago, it's not funny now

So are the Tenno sum kinna /spoiler/Guardians of the Galaxy/spoiler/?

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>>176180979
>Do something different to make me happy!
Nope. Its successful and useful

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>>176181031

>>176181096
No.

>>176180979
At the risk of getting sucked into this further, I'll elaborate. A starter guide does not need TTK or DPS because those numbers only matter when you get to the point where you're taking more than a few shots to kill something. At which point, you're out of beginner content. I'm defining beginner content as star chart/sorties since that guide will easily get you through sorties. Beginners don't give a shit about the math to that extent, they just give a shit about not floundering about ineffectually through the game. Which the current guide alleviates substantially. It's a starting point. And a good one.

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>>176181257
But anon

>>176179838
hey man i just save stuff, never bothered to change names

im sorry mods ples dont ban

>>176181412
This
topgun 1 and 2 were both meant for this.

Question: "What are some good guns guyz XD"
Answer: "Read the OP"

>>176181412
If a new player wants a good gun, do you think he wants a shitty-gun-that-barely-reaches-mediocrity or an actual fucking good gun?

>beginner content
>sorties
ah, I see you're an endlessfag. Please excuse my post, I didn't realize you have autism

>>176181691
>TQ calling others autistic
OH THE IRONY

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>>176181691
>wants a list of powercreep
>insults powercreep missions
same ol' tq, amaright

>>176181508
I got a 3 day ban for it when trying to figure out my next riven role. Just be careful newshitter

>>176181520
Seriously, I'd have no IRL friends playing this with me if I explanined everything with in depth math on DPS calculations. I'd rather just tell them "Get the grakata, throw serration, split chamber, point strike, vital sense, and the appropriate elemental mods on it." Bam, now they're pew pewing stuff down and actually getting kills at MR-whatever.
>>176181691
Nigga what? I just said that guide gets you through all the content that DE considers to be a part of the game proper. The guide not being up to scratch for endless means nothing with regards to the guide's intended purpose. It's a starting point, because any time we find something god-tier and post about it DE nerfs it. Your argument starting out was that the guide is bad because it doesn't include autism level DPS calcs. My counterargument was that it doesn't need them since it's only intended to take you through to sorties, which it does perfectly fine. What the fuck are you even trying to say?

so this shit right here says it can do red crits http://warframe-builder.com/Primary_Weapons/Builder/Dex_Sybaris/t_30_22202220_132-0-5-133-3-5-137-2-10-140-5-5-141-7-5-150-1-10-159-6-5-626-4-5_132-8-150-8-137-7-133-11-626-5-140-5-159-5-141-11/en/2-0-93/90512/0
i thought it was impossible to red crit without 100%+ crit chance?

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>>176182281
No it doesnt
Correct, you cannot
also dont use BR and HC in the same build for dex syb

>>176182024
>it's only intended to take you through to sorties, which it does perfectly fine

New players aren't going to have access to maxed out Serration, HC, elements, a potato, and 4 forma for guns. You're making the classic mistake of looking at things from a vet's perspective. If you dump a 4 forma and r10 mods into a gun, you can make anything pass a completely arbitrary standard you setup yourself. Guess what? New players won't reach that stage for hundreds of hours. If someone tells you, "My damage sucks and I can't kill sortie enemies," are you going to recommend he make a fucking telos akboltos? Or a aksomati? Are you going to tell him to make a sobek over hek? Are you going to tell him to make a fucking vaykor sydon over galatine?

by the way, post a webm of telos akboltos against lv100 HGs and then tell me it's satisfactory for sorties. Go on, I'll wait.

>>176182423
>don't use BR and HC in the same DS build
Why?

>>176182423
is that one hundred forma
jesus motherfucking christ on a bike
why

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>>176182528
>make a vaykor sydon

>>176182548
because HC neuters your ability to land 4x crit headshots.
If you have argon scope and good aim, you can use that

>>176182614
>filename

>>176182723
But why BR and HC? BR doesn't care about headshots.

>>176181096
They're mercenaries.

>>176182796
4x headshots
Its a small difference as far as overall damage (especially at close ranges), but its much better to hit every bullet

>>176182930
Ah, alright.

>>176181096
>/spoiler/

>>176182821
You mean they're just hired guns? Do they at least have a lotta loyalty?

>>176182528
And by the time they finish the war within, they'd easily have an r7 serration, which is absolutely satisfactory. Potatoes drop every friday. Working your way through the star chart will get you your element. A simple trip to the wiki tells you you need to do voidfissures for forma, lo and behold there's several lith relics that drop forma. It's almost like it gives you a shopping list by telling you "Hey, you need these mods." Now go look in the bottom left hand corner of that weapon guide. Tell me what it says. The guide's already there, you're the one trying to disprove it. You go make a .webm. Show the build you're using too. Don't miss your headshots like a shitter.

>>176182528
>Go on, I'll wait
converting right now

>>176182723
could I get some advice as to how to progress? I'm still doing the star chart but these are what i have right now. what's the most cost efficient way for me to upgrade, like what should I prioritize getting?
http://warframe-builder.com/Primary_Weapons/Builder/Dex_Sybaris/t_30_22000000_132-0-5-133-5-3-137-1-7-140-3-5-141-4-5-159-2-5-626-6-4_132-8-137-6-159-9-140-9-141-11-133-9-626-8-f-f/en/2-0-93/0
http://warframe-builder.com/Warframes/Builder/Mesa/t_30_3000300020_1-2-10-2-1-6-4-3-3-5-0-5-6-6-3-7-4-5-8-8-5-11-9-5-14-5-5_5-5-2-8-1-14-4-7-7-5-14-9-6-9-f-f-8-5-11-7_0/en/1-0-31/0
http://warframe-builder.com/Secondary_Weapons/Builder/Lex_prime/t_30_20000000_202-2-3-204-1-6-206-4-4-208-7-2-211-0-5-213-6-2-222-5-5-263-3-3_211-5-204-10-202-9-263-7-206-10-222-9-213-4-208-4/en/3-0-44/0

>176172874
If you say so.

>>176183226
again, you're looking at things through the wrong fucking lens. A player struggling to kill sortie enemies isn't going to fucking want a mediocre weapon. Anything a player does with a mediocre weapon he can do 10x more with an actual GOOD weapon.

The good news is, I don't need to make a webm showing telos akboltos performance. I already know it's fucking shit. How do I know? Because you can easily calculate its DPS/TTK using publicly-available tools. There's no reason telos akboltos - along with a bunch of other weapons - should be on that list.

>>176183319
>dexsyb
good
>lex
get a barrel diffusion, dont use puncture mod

otherwise start here
>Top guns, read note at the bottom: >http://i.imgur.com/wwfe3PG.jpg
>Frames and Modding: >https://pastebin.com/D8Ckdz0c

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>>176182528

>>176183612
>4s TTK using macros compared to <2s TTK of akstilletos, aksomatis, kohm, tigris, and hek

you're not convincing anyone

>>176183410
>I don't need to prove my claims because I already know!
Not how burden of proof works. Go make the webm, I'm not going to take you seriously with nothing but math.
>You're looking at things through the wrong lens
Alright, let's rewind time back to when I was at MR6. I had all the elemental mods available, saw that the only good secondary available to me was the marelok, and grabbed it because it was the best thing available to me at the time.
>Struggling to kill sortie enemies
If you're new to the game, you're going to do that no matter what with secondaries. Primaries on the other hand, will do just fine.
>Because you can easily calculate bla bla bla
Newbies aren't going to bother.

>>176183464
oh yeah I forgot to change that, gonna drop puncture and reload for diffusion once i get it
should I put 2 more forma into the sybaris to put shred in there or should I just put 1 forma and max out the mods i haven't already?

>>176183782
Funny, that didn't look like he was struggling. That looks like a perfectly viable TTK with a secondary weapon off the beginner's guide.

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>>176183782
>not only can he not aim a weapon with projectile travel time but he can't even fire a weapon with manual triggers fast

>>176183782
>implying that is the purpose of the webm
nice try. Telos Akbolto are staying on topgun because they are cheap and workable

>comparing it to akstill, aksom, kohm, tigris, hek
bait

Also, your kohm had about 3 second TTK here >>176171926

how much plat does max redirection go for

>>176183802
>I don't trust math
LOL

>>176183932
let's just assume everybody is using macros

let's also assume everybody goes through the effort of using macros just to make a shitty gun NOT EVEN AS GOOD AS OTHER GUNS EVEN WITH MACROS

>>176183974
it ain't my kohm and apparently it wasn't using CP

>>176184048
>Math is the only criteria any weapon you use should be judged by, whether it works or not is irrelevant!
See, I can do that too. Maybe you should try looking through a different lens.
>Everybody uses macros
That guy wasn't using a macro. You just suck at shooters.

Hey guys I'm genuinely retarded, what's the best Warframe loadout for me? I need something to soothe the swirling maelstrom between my ears

>>176184026
80-90

>>176184186
math is null hypothesis. It's the status quo. It's the carrier of the burden of proof. If you think a weapon overperforms compares to its on-paper stats, the burden of proof is on you.

That guy is 100% using a macro.

>>176184048
>NOT EVEN AS GOOD AS OTHER GUNS
And here you miss the point of topgun completely. This puts your understanding level below that of a forums newfag 10/10

>>176184048
>aint my kohm
i tested your build before i started posting

>>176184302
wew im a fucking retard just bought for 30 and sold for 40
the dude i got it from listed at 30 so I didn't think it was worth that much

>>176184310
not necessarily

a freespin mousewheel with fire bound to scroll still works last I checked

>>176184431
this

>>176184310
Actually, it's becoming pretty clear what the issue is here. You suck at the game, and need to find the biggest crutch you can to compensate. You're very much in the minority there, you don't need powercreep weapons for sorties if you're half decent at shooters. No, he's not using a macro.

Secura Lecta build? I don't have maiming strike and I'm not paying for it.

Poster of webm here, I bound it to scroll

>>176184498
Just like, put elements on it, my dude. Every other crit mod wouldn't hurt either.

>>176184320
>And here you miss the point of topgun completely
so the point of topgun is to mislead newshitters into using shitty-to-mediocre weapons, got it

I don't think you understand. that kohm webm is literally not my fucking kohm. some other guy made it

>>176184431
>it's okay to recommend shitty weapons to new players because using good weapons is a crutch
top fucking kek

>>176184431
>>176184548
Even ignoring the awkwardness that comes from using mouse scroll to fire, or assuming that newshitters are going to use macros

do you think

do you REALLY think

that going through that extra effort

to turn a shitty gun into something barely mediocre

THAT'S STILL SHIT COMPARED TO OTHER GOOD WEAPONS

if someone asks

"hey I want a good weapon to dump potato and forma into"

are you really

REALLY

going to tell him to get a fucking mediocre-at-best gun

>>176184427
Max Redirection
>14 Ranks
>10,230 Endo
>494,109 Credits

>39-40 Plat

Doesn't add up to be honest.

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>>176184642
>so the point of topgun is to mislead newshitters into using shitty-to-mediocre weapons, got it
bait

Its simple tq, I have called your bluff. Your hyperbole and fiction doesnt actually stand up against simple, in game footage of the Telos Akbolto killing a lvl 100 HG.

Good night

>>176184807
>missing the point THIS hard

whew lad, professional farmers can't cherrypick as well as you

>>176184801
It's a keybind, it's barely effort. Are you telling me that you don't think the average new warframe player is capable of finding the keybinds menu?

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How fucked am i that this is for the single vasto?

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>>176184498
>mending strike

LOLOLOOLOLOLKOOKILIOKILKOLOLOOLOLOLPOLLLLLOLLOLO LLOLLOOLOOOKLOL GG SCRUB, Y SO SHIT, MY DUDERINO? I bet you eat your Doritos sunny side up, you inbred prolapsed anus

>>176184925
No one uses singles when doubles are a thing.

>>176184925
well, you can use it on vasto prime, I guess?

>>176184801
>>176184642
nobody is claiming specifically that Telos Akbolto are top-end weapons

however, they are perfectly sortie viable with a potato and a couple of forma, just like most of the fucking weapons in the game

there are far WORSE weapons that someone could use

you're just being more pissy that usual because you got called out for being a fucking retard with your shit kohm build last thread

>>176184925
completely fucked, try to get 50-75 for it because of the good polarity

>>176184498
it's not worth using over a polearm or atterax if you don't have maiming

>>176184910
no, I'm saying actually using mousewheel to keybind is incredibly awkward. There's a reason M1 is default

but for the sake of playing devil's advocate let's just assume for that firing 10 bullets/s from t.akboltos is standard

Are you going to tell someone to get a telos akboltos over akstilletos? aksomatis? Identical fucking weapons in the same category, except two are significantly superior to the other

btw this also applies to akmagnus

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>>176185102
>Are you going to tell someone to get a telos akboltos over _
>"If it is here it is worth a potato and/or forma"
At this point its just blatant strawmanning. Im pretty sure he has won, tq. Its time to go home

alright boys im gonna potato the Zarr, what am I in for

>>176184925
delete it

>>176185102
I say it doesn't matter, because a proper build on any of them will be fine for sorties. It doesn't matter, your list doesn't matter, and to be perfectly honest I feel sorry for any woman you try to strike up a relationship with if you drag shit as inconsequential as this out over the course of literal months. I mean seriously, why bother? How is this such a deeply personal issue to you?

what do you think of the new obex mod?

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>>176185065
the problem here is that THERE'S NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN TOP WEAPONS AND BOTTOM WEAPONS

if you absolutely MUST include telos akboltos, then you also absolutely MUST include qualifiers that it's nowhere close to aksomatis and akstilletos

similar to pic related. Even though I put Boltor P in the same category as soma/dex sybaris, I made sure to SPECIFICALLY point out that boltor is worse than those, and also that dex sybaris beats out Soma. And then I also specified that both the dual pistols beat the primaries

The problem here is that you drew an arbitrary line and said "every weapon above this line is considered good." That's a nice starting point. If you set your standards that low, I guess it's fine. BUT YOU NEED TO INCLUDE QUALIFIERS ON HOW WEAPONS COMPARE RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER.

The last thing a new player wants to learn is that the weapon he's dumped a potato and 4 forma into is objectively inferior to another weapon he easily could've gotten instead

>>176185335
Fun times mostly. The zarr is good, careful you don't blow yourself up though.

>>176185335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYjhHIqtcIg

>>176185273
"potato worthy" is a completely arbitrary and worthless distinction

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>>176185431
>Blatant copy of topgun
>red MS paint Xs
>mfw even select and resize would have done a better job of removing those two weapons
>text isnt even aligned properly
>not a DPS calculation in sight
And you regularly post this? Jesus

>>176185431
if the goal is objective quality, then literally the only viable measure is a pure "DPS range" chart that shows all weapons within a given range

instead shit is picked and chosen completely arbitrarily based entirely on "personal preference"

a real guide would require a different image for each slot, because MOST OF THEM ARE VIABLE

>>176185636
DPS values are calculated but not shown, but still referenced

Akstilleto/AkSomati > Dex Sybaris > Soma P > Boltor

the ordering is clear

it's an example weapon guide I slapped together in 10 minutes which isn't updated. If I still gave a shit I can slap in the DPS numbers, but knowing the exact DPS values isn't as valuable as knowing relative DPS/TTK/performance relative to other weapons.

Also notice how I include build tips and not just a meaningless picture? It's almost as if teaching people WHY a weapon is good and HOW to use that weapon is better than handing them a picture

Funny how a shitty guide made purely as an example that's not even updated still manages to be better than the topgun chart

>>176185763
>if the goal is objective quality, then literally the only viable measure is a pure "DPS range" chart that shows all weapons within a given range
>instead shit is picked and chosen completely arbitrarily based entirely on "personal preference"

FINALLY YOU UNDERSTAND

>>176185896
your guide is no better, faggot

they're both terrible and fail at the one job they supposedly have

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>Potatoed and began forma-ing a Seer with a decent-ish Riven.

Help, I can't stop using a bad weapon when I already have a Lex Prime. What can I do to make this usable? It hits hard but that's about all it can do.

>>176185896
Watching TQ melt down due to his own insecurities and autism never gets old

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>>176185896
>my guide is shit and in my opinion his guide is just as shit as mine
oh of course, my apologies for wanting objective arguments
how silly of me indeed

>>176186451
He actually stopped responding to me. I guess his love life's a soft spot.

>>176186380
Just use the Lex Prime, it's goat. Don't know why you're trying to make the Seer work so hard.

can someone post their redeemer build?

>>176186486
>>176186380
DON'T LISTEN TO THE NAYSAYERS! Mostly because I want to see you succeed. Go for it you glorious bastard.

>>176181828
got a warning from the roll for doggo name

glad mods would rather deal with this shit than ban somebody who shits up a general...

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>>176186380
>help
Nope, you're stuck here and you'll like it. Get a better roll though.

>>176186205
>>176186456
>topgun guide is shit
>here's a guide I slapped together in 20mins to show how shit it is
>REEEEEE WHY ISN'T IT PERFECT
even if you dislike my weapons guide, do we finally all agree at last that the topgun guide is fucking shit?

>>176186485
2 many people 2 respond to, your post is probably shit and stupid

>>176186764
J U S T I C E
U
S
T
I
C
E

>tq posts kohm build
>gets bullied for mistake
>tq bluffs about telos akbolto
>gets bullied when his bluff is called
>tq posts his "intentionally bad" weapon guide
>gets bullied for imitating someone else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmQ8nM7b6XQ

>>176186859
>>topgun guide is shit
>>here's a guide I slapped together in 20mins to show how shit it is
>>REEEEEE WHY ISN'T IT PERFECT
was that a greentext conversation? because at no point did anyone bring up topgun for you to respond to, you did that yourself.

you just admitted to replying to yourself. nice

>>176186859
Kek, of course it is. Seriously though, how do you expect to have any romantic involvement with anyone if you can start a months long vendetta over something as trivial as this? And look, I understand that it may not seem trivial to you, but hear me out. Why do you always meet such heavy opposition every time you bring it up? It's not a vocal minority, there's not enough people frequenting this thread for it to be that.

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>>176186764
this
>dont report posts that don't break rules
>there is a dice roll of a chance an actual mod step in. other than that a pocket mod will toss around warning misleading anons this is normal general behavior

>>176183953
>haha look at me, giving myself carpel tunnel, Im so hardcore

>>176185431
Bottom weapons take the dick, duh.

>>176187067
Did you know that mouse wheels exist? Let alone AutoHotkey and hardware macros, which aren't even necessary but help if you're lazy

frail momentum and spazz make phage at least workable?

it's got some really nice numbers and riven potential, but I remember it being practically mk-1 weapon tier after they finished fucking over beam weapons

>>176187023
do you see why I didn't reply to you the first time?

>>176187016
topgun guide is shit. My "guide" was hastily slapped together in 20mind just to show what an actual guide based on objective criteria with helpful information is.

It's okay to hate my guide. But if you hate my guide while also saying the topgun guide is useful, you're a hypocrite, plain and simple.

>>176187236
No, actually I don't. I responded to you after the autism accusations, go on and tell us about your love life. Fair's fair. Wouldn't want me making inaccurate assumptions.

>>176187040
lmao

good to see mods finally doing their job for once, you faggots are the fucking worst

>>176187236
>dodges the accusation of samefagging
>tries to bring up topgun instead
either breaking rules or psychologically projecting
nice

>>176187458
>samefagging
[citation needed]

>>176187534
nice try
ive got dogs that can hide the truth better than you can

>>176187582
all that evidence sure is convincing everyone

>>176187664
Oh, youre right. there is no current evidence of samefagging

psychological projection it is

Real talk, who wants to take bets on TQ's love life? I can't decide if my money is on him never being romantically involved with anyone, or if it's on him ruining every relationship he's ever been in by incessantly and obsessively criticizing them

>>176187796
404
he takes everything personally

>>176188015
See, I agree there, but there's a lot of fish in the sea. Someone has to bite eventually.

>>176187796
why tho

>>176188195
Curiosity. Guy that insecure, makes me wonder why he's so insecure.

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>>176187796
It's 1:45AM EST and you're sitting here thinking about another man over the internet.

Here is your (you) nigga, get the fuck out of here

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Fuck my ass, this sucks

>>176188291
Night shift nigga, gotta pay that rent. Think about whatever the fuck I want.

>>176188129
"Hey sweetie, I made dinn--"
"I TOLD YOU PIZZA, DON'T BE A FUCKING SALADTARD DON'T YOU LISTEN TO MY GUIDES AT ALL?"
"Ok hon. I'm going to the bar with my friend Steve, see you later!"
"...bitch, sure showed you"

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>You will never pretend to be Moby Dick while trying to plow a prowling Ivara

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Can someone rip all of bex's new lines with filters and all?
https://my.mixtape.moe/pzvppa.mp3
https://my.mixtape.moe/zpnkcd.mp3

>eating ramen, watching animu
>see something on my desk light by the over the top fight scene on my laptop
>pop it in my mouth
>now have lint stuck in my teeth
and how is your night going

So is Prisma Obex (and new mod) good?

>>176189058
wevi pls go

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>>176189446
pobex, yes. mod, no.

Is there a better choice between Vaytor Hek and the regular Hek?

>>176189506
If you have primed mods, Vaykor Hek
If you do not, Hek

>>176189446
https://my.mixtape.moe/didpts.mp3

>>176189505
>Yellow Crit
Delete this

>Agile Octavia stance
>Single pistol in Arsenal screen.
>Camera woobles back and forth

Oh god, I'm going to be sick.

Hey TQ if you post your guide in the next 9 minutes I'll read it

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>>176189309
Wondering why people pick fire during Kuva Flood Sabs

>>176186816
>Cycled again for shit.

Ugh, now the next one requires 2k. Is there an upper limit on Riven cycling costs?

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>Condor Storm Dropship

And here I thought I was done being an ambulance chaser.

>>176190469
>Fire
Least pre-loading effort, most dangerous.
>Cold
Least dangerous, requires effort.
>Magnetic
The average pug is too braindead to realize this exists. Middling difficulty afterwards.

>>176190515
hahaha im a fucking idiot, there IS a ceiling and it is 3500 kuva.

>>176190741
Thanks for wiki'ing it so I didn't have to.

Still, ugh, that's horrific without a booster.

>>176190593
I usually go cold because I'm fragile and agile. The amount of people who moan about GILF Thick Ignis Ladies, you would think fire would be out of the equation.

>>176190834
>do three kuva flood missions
lazy

>>176190469
>>176190593
fire is objectively the fastest route

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What happens at 300% Crit?

>>176191253
your anus explodes

>>176191253
Red Crit L2. Your text is purple and a explosion SFX plays

So are any of the mods from this event worth getting?

>>176191498
Miter might be interesting if you really hate bubbles and love buzzsaws. Lanka it depends on what they mean by electrical net.

>>176191498
Nope.

Thanks DE.

>>176191398
Blue crits should give extra multishot or a Warframe speed/agility/bullet dodge boost

When ranking up weapons and frames for mastery xp, do the higher ranks 20-30 give more mastery/affinity xp?

>>176191498
I'd say Fulmination since there's no word about what they plan to do with it after the event ends, while all the augments will be dumped into their respective Syndicates' inventories soon™ Aviator and Sacrifice are also in the same boat as Fulmination but no one cares about those mods. So in summary; No not really, stock up on amberlamps noggles instead.

>Legendary core

What luck.

>>176191957
???????

>>176192004
That probably sounded retarded; If I ranked up a weapon from rank 1 to say rank 10, and another wep from rank 20 to rank 30, which would level my mastery rank more?

>>176192141
Both would give the same amount.

>>176192264
Thank you

Why is lech kril so fucking annoying

>>176193024
DE's old coding

>>176193024
invun stages.

also he might be bugged

What does it mean when people say T1 or T2 etc...?

I figure it means tier, but how do I distinguis? I need 2 argon crystals and everyone keeps saying T4 defense or survival, but I have no idea what the T4 is.

is the lesion good?

>>176194021
You get argon from void missions. T1-4 keys are for the old star chart.

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>>176193086
>>176193120
I just need frost chassis

>>176194189
Oh cool, thanks.

If I repeat the New Strange Quest, will it give me the base Chroma parts again? Mine bugged out a long time ago so I sold the bits expecting it to never be fixed

So is there no way to idle the event anymore? Originally I just did excavations, but now it seems you HAVE to complete either an excavator or a wave to get ambulas to spawn.

>>176194347
no

Sorry if this is a repeat question, but is there a better way to farm Anime Cores than 15 per Minthe run?

>>176194224
fucking finally
goodnight warframe

what's the best focus school to start with, zenurik?

is gas shit now?

What am I supposed to do if I can't find a Nezha to ERP with?

>>176195313
zenurik/naramon

>>176195428
visit a trap thread on /gif/

show me a cool pic of your dojos pls

>>176195331
Yes, DE are also trying to kill Blast. Sonicor was an intentional warning.

did the void do something to the kids in puberty? why do they all look so androgynous

>>176195615
(:

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>>176193024
>he hasn't done vay hek's first phase
Now that's true suffering for someone going through the starchart.

>>176195331
>>176195594
Wait what happened?! Does this passively nurf saryn?

>>176194347
>selling parts for warframes

all you can do now is buy him or beg support for all the parts back

>>176195615
Taters are low-level reality warpers. if a boy tater spends enough time as a fem!frame then it rubs off on their physical form, same goes for girl taters and male frames. tater futa are canon

>>176195745
at least Vay Hek has periods of partial vulnerability
once i figured him out gathering Hydroid was ezpz
Kril is just annoying

>>176196058
how long till the void energy starts overtaking them and we get taters made of pure energy

you guys know that blood rush is next on the nerf list right?

>>176196438
the day DE and GamesWorkshop have a merger

>>176196438
When someone gets Steve to watch Akira and then explains the ending to him afterward.

>>176196469
everything is on the nerf list though, so we should just use what we have and deal with it later when the time comes

>>176196564
do i get to become Akira if scientists put my testicles in a jar?

>>176196643
Tyl Regor is going to be heavily involved in the next quest, you should bring up the topic with him.

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>>176196750
cant wait

>>176196750
just as long as he's not using Ack & Brunt for the surgery

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>>176196590
>Blood rush will be nerfed rendering most melee useless
>all good primaries will be nerfed leaving us with peashooters
>secondaries will be the only usable weapon until they kill those as well
Might as well not bring a weapon, just use frames for literally everything.

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>Color Picker went missing
>Destroyed Tenno Lab
>Rebuilt
>It's done
>Still no Color Picker

Someone help me out here. All I see are the colors to research. How do I create/find this thing? Do I really have to PM DE?

>>176196845
>frames get nerfed
>tater laser beam is the only way to deal damage anymore since it ignores defenses