/domg/ - Dominions General

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First for scales Mictlan

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Second for erf snek

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Get your slice of Knife Ear Pie while supplies last!

>>176109279
Anything that targets MR and isn't single target.

Even with Antimagic (which they're quite sure to have) they'll fail their checks most of the time even for easily resists stuff, if you have any pene boosters. Curse of Stones already should give you a lot of time to hack them to pieces, as long as you have enough shit that won't just explode on the BV.
(Wind of Death / Beast Mastery is obv better but I take it you don't have that)

For getting to their mages, Howl can be great. Though it doesn't do too much against the piggies in itself.

This is how /domg/ gets slid, not with a bang but with a ____________

>>176166580
BRAP

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What is the least imaginative pretender for EA Mictlan? I have a suspicion my strategies are too innovative and want to get back to the basics.

go to better domg
>>176158530

press R
hit enter
no imagination used

>>176170526
Not using Earth Snake? Way too innovative

What if that CoE mechanic is implemented where all your blood rituals have a chance of backfiring?

The thread is dead!
Long live the thread!

There's a surprising number of people still alive. I feel like outside of North Western Europe, Central Asia, and Eastern Asia everyone is still alive.

>>176188257
What is Pelagia even doing? Abysia?

I also have no clue what Nief, Hel, Kai are up to.

What's the worst luck you've ever had in a game /domg/? I had a game where the two forts I was building from my initial expansion got raided by Barbarians the same turn labs were being built in them and I'm pretty salty.

>>176188604
I don't have many UW scouts so Pelagia is a total mystery to me.

Nief/Hel is a mystery. I don't know if they've been buddy buddy this whole game or fighting at a stand still. I know Nief went underwater at some point which was pretty innovative desu

>>176189003
I had a game where my cap lab burned down twice before turn 20 and I took neutral fortune. Really regretted not taking Mis 1 and order

>>176170526
>What is the least imaginative pretender for EA Mictlan?
Pretty much what you've got.

Dom8 is a bit unusual, and you could probably take more turmoil in return for luck scales.

F9B9 Balam is a nice alternative, which I prefer over N9B9.

>>176170526
That, but with order 3, misf 1, magic 0

>>176192594
F9 is p. innovative famalam

>>176192860
No magic scales on Mictlan sounds a lot worse than no order.

>>176193149
F9B9 or N9B9 were the two I was recommended to take as mictlan. I thought F9B9 was a pretty common pickup, considering it works really nicely with mictlan's sacred troops.

>>176161595
Trust me, the game will be over long before I'm dead.

If Ur doesn't win, Atlantis taking my thrones (and TNN's) puts him pretty close to winning as well, and no 2 nations combined can beat them anyhow. And there'd need to be some key players for a successful 3v1 anyhow.

>>176193149

F9 is way better than N9 early combat power wise. N9 is almost useless for Mictlan stuff, its more for mages and big summoned demons.

can madman asphodel come in discord or steam chat?

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>>176170526
>imprisoned rock thing
>more turmoil, more luck
>big magic, big dom
>eat jaguars and haribo sugarfree gummy bears until unable to consume anymore
>point ass in general direction of indies

Later, replace jaguars with demons

>>176193728
>>176197269
N9 synergizes well with B9, dual shape jaguars and with the high hp ozelotlz.

F9 is just an overall weak major bless. You take it mostly for the effect of the minor.

>>176193728
Why does that sound worse? Their mages already have a good RP/g ratio, while literally all being useful, but their sacreds are expensive, the unrest reduction from order is nice, and the increased gold means you can put more forts up

>>176199610
>N9 synergizes well with B9, dual shape jaguars and with the high hp ozelotlz.
It does, but N9 isn't a good bless for either ozelotl or jags. They don't have the survivability to make good use of the regen N9 gives.

>F9 is just an overall weak major bless. You take it mostly for the effect of the minor.
F9 has a number of qualities which make it a lot more desirable for Mictlan than it typically is.

First, their sacreds are very disposable. Most nations like to invest into defenses for their sacreds at least a bit, because losing limited cap-only sacreds in every fight means you run out quick. Mictlan has no such trouble, and can build full blender bless on their jaguars.

Second, F9 is quite a strong bless earlygame. It falls off later into the game quite heavily, but at midgame you'll be moving primarily into Tlahuelpuchi (which don't need a bless to work great). Your bless should be primarily geared for coming out of earlygame in a good position.

Third, jaguars have a large number of low-damage attacks. Many weak attacks is the ideal situation to take a F9 bless. Flagellants like a similar bless, at least in summod where you can mass them.

>>176201625
Magic 3 means you hit those vital research goals faster, and means your research isn't hurt as much by having tons of mages out blood hunting.

In terms of numbers, Magic 3 gives 43% more RP compared to 15% more gold from Order 3. RP is obviously less valuable than gold, but that's a massive increase you're missing out on.

>>176202170
Magic also has a +/- to fatigue costs.

>>176202586
That applies to both your enemies and you, I don't really count it as a benefit.

>>176202645
Secret tech: drain immune mages also ignore the fatigue penalties.

What's the sexiest faction?

>>176203052
It depends on your fetishes. Pangaea is the most sexualized.
I like MA Caelum.

>>176203052
MA Rlyeh
Mindcontrol and tentacles.

>>176203052
Abysia is definitely the hottest

>>176202827
>drain immune
What is this sorcery?

>>176205805
Check out LA Man and MA Ulm.

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How to fix EA Xibalba
>Ozelotl HP reduced to 20 from 33
>Beast Bat HP reduced to 15 from 19

How to fix EA Lanka
>Rakshasi and Raksharaja are now inept researchers -4
>Mendeha attack reduced to 13 from 15, and magic resistance reduced to 16 from 18.

How to fix EA Kalaisa
>Yavana resource cost reduced to 6 from 8
>Yavana Archer resource cost reduced to 4 from 5

How to fix EA Ulm
>Antlered shaman now gets another 10% chance for +1 F, E, D, or N.

How to fix Yomi
>Demon Priest are now Holy 2

How to fix Tir Na Nog
>Now has a research 2 conjuration national spell "Summon Tuatha Warriors": Summons 2 Tuatha Warriors for 5 N gems.
>Now has a research 5 conjuration national spell "Emergence of the Ever Young": Summons 5 Tuatha Warriors for 10 A gems.

How to fix MA Eriu
>They also get the two ritual spells above.

How to fix MA Man
>Logrian Wise Man is no longer an inept researcher

How to fix Asphodel
>Carrion Centaur, Carrior Lady, and Carrion Lord now also have +10% HP regeneration.

>>176189209
The Nief/Hel alliance is still thriving.

I'm fending off monkey advances and exchanging occasional provinces with Ur.

>>176208027
>tfw your local coliseum will never have a rape giraffe
Also some of these feel arbitrary, some don't do enough to fix the nation (Man) some don't need fixed (asphodel), and others don't nerf the nation enough (Lanka)

>>176209943

Fairly sure its a meme as none of those fix anything.

>>176193728
I'd prob go for Order3, misf1, growth1, magic2. Order is actually more important than Growth for income/hunting since it keeps the unrest down. And magic -MR also helps the BV to hit.

Or misf-2, growth-2 if im feeling lucky.

>>176202827
Fake news. They don't.

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>>176213236
Objection!

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How to pkay weeaboo?

>>176214091
>research effects

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>>176214186
Sorry, capped the wrong snippet.

>>176214185
erfsnake or another nation
with those scales and imprisoned you will never live to see the sun setting

>>176214434
B-but why?

>>176214293
It's wrong, though. Feel free to test it.

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>>176214434
Like this?

>>176211401
demon priests being h2 helps to mitigate Yomi's morale issues with their non demon troops
Ulm's 'fix' is actually a pretty significant buff, as it not only doubles the chance of any given path off the 10% but gives a chance at 2 10% proccing
Tnn/eriu is shit because of the gem types and the terrible power/gem you're getting, other than that it isn't bad
That's way to much of a nerf on ozzies and bats need siege strength reduced not just hp

If it is a meme it's a well played one because some of the suggestions are reasonable-ish

>>176214185
More Dom less sloth
Take either cold or heat to 2 depending on if you want to use fire or cold demons

Cold is my suggestion for more W events

>>176215340
>not tanking sloth as Yomi
>suggesting temp at 2 instead of 1 or 3
Is it bait?

>>176215216

Demon priest has 10 leadership unless you mean spamming sermon. But even then the main bonus from H2 is easier bless. Proests being weak isnt what hurts Yomi most tho.

Ulm buff does next to nothing to fix the nation, it only slightly buffs their cap only mage.

Elf buff is pure meme. Tuathas arent even very good.

The combat nerf to Xib/Mic demons isnt a real issue for those nations too.

Overall very slight and cosmetic changes not changing the power balance at all.

>>176215442
I said less not none, as in 2, you want to be able to recruit your non demon troops at least a little.
And yes because the difference in income between 1 and 2 is negligible, whereas at 3 you are essentially locked into whatever you took

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>>176215340
But income going to bottom with climate scales. And resources are not so important.

>>176214185
>>176214906
>>176215792
Shikome are good, you should use them.

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I think i solved.

>>176216364
Why awake? What will it do between turn 1 and turn 12 that's worth 3 scales?

>>176216564
To sight search and summoning.

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>>176216564
Ok, maybe like this?

>>176216784
site search can wait 12 turns.
summoning during first year? Is it even possible? You wont have any research to cast worthy conjuration spells.

>>176216927
income -25% looks harsh. Why don't you remove cold and take dom 7 or something like that?

>>176217082
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>>176215703

>>176216927
>dom when dom 8 is much higher than average
?
>A5 when literally nothing needs A7
?
>Cold 2 when most of your units do fire damage
?

>>176217164
I don't understand his argument. I can't see why you need dom 9 when you could have more income. More income = more mages = more everything. Income is very important, unlike resources.

>>176209943
>tfw suck at early game lanka
How do i git gud at them?

>>176217256
Most of yomi units do shock damage.

>>176217352
run prod monobless

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>>176217279
Maybe he knows something i don't know. Never be good at turmoil-luck.

>>176217365
Is this a summod thing? Vanilla Yomi does very little shock damage.

>>176217726
It's not a summod thing. Illwinter gave them recruitable tengu

>>176217726
Yes.

>>176217820
Oh. Even then, Tengu get one lightning bolt per battle.

>>176217938
sorry I was meming. There's still no major shock damage, and idk what that dude was talking about

>>176217670
looks good to me.

>>176217670
perfect.
Don't change a thing.

>>176217670
Well, sent celestial general without turmoil or climate scales.

>>176215703
>the difference in income between 1 and 2 is negligible, whereas at 3 you are essentially locked into whatever you took
This is bullshit. At temp scale 2, you're going to spend almost half a year at cold/heat3 anyway. The difference in income between temp1 and temp2 is actually larger than between temp2 and temp3, since the latter can't go higher than the maximum of temp3 in any season.

>>176218917
Temp scale 1 is better 1/4 of the year (+5%*25%), worse 9/12 of the year (-5%*75%) for a net 2.5% drop in income

Temp scale 2 is better 1/12 of the year (+10%*8.33%), the same 1/6 of the year (0), -10% for 2/3 of the year and -5% for 1/12 of the year (-5%*0.833%) for a net 7.08% drop in income.

Temp scale 3 is better 1/12 of the year (+5%*8.33%), and worse the rest of the year at varying amounts (-5%*1/6, -15%*1/2, -10%*1/6, -5%*1/12) for a net 10% drop in income

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>tfw you pull off fog warriors in a proper game for the first time

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>>176220153
Might as well put up pics. I'm usually on the receiving end of the one sided beatdowns so I'm pretty happy. Tzeentch is busted.

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30% off on Steam
http://store.steampowered.com/app/259060/Dominions_4_Thrones_of_Ascension/

>>176220683

>skeletons

>>176221432
>tartarians
>eater of the dead
>almost 30 necromancers
I'll still take it.

How come I dont see people spaming earth attack more?

>>176224356

High requirements (research, magic) and earth elementals arent that good and they also are easy to defend against and its easy to make your mages immune to the spell.

>>176221057
Is 30% a good sale for this game or could I expect more during a full sale period. Feel's like it's still quite a lot of dosh for a 2013 indie game

>>176224356
Needs E5, can only use very late in the game.

>>176225214
There may be better sales on gamersgate, but it's still pretty good if you don't want to wait several months without any guarantee that the next one will be better

>>176225214
Back in I think December it was on sale for 85% off on gamersgate.

>>176225214
10 bucks on G2A.

>>176228081
Nice stolen keys :^)

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>>176220683
>0 Vampire Bats, -1 casualty
What's that about?

>>176229165
It looks like they gained a vampire bat during the fight somehow. Possibly from the Von Carstein if I had to guess.

So, is this the place to talk about Conquest of Elysium 4?

Any thoughts on it?

>>176229541
You can talk about it here.

It's shit

>>176229541
I know its sort of shit but I still played 40 hours of it.

>>176229640
>>176229694
Thanks, you saved me a couple of bucks

Ys has fucking expensive troops. 120g per sacred?

Any game being set up?

>>176234561
have you seen their mages?
did you know they dont have national recruits that arent wither UW or coastal?

yeah...

Hey Admin any luck on that Machaka sub? Looks like everyone else has their turn in so we could go ahead and just set them AI if there aren't any takers.

And for anyone interested in subbing, Machaka is in a disadvantaged position but by certainly no means dead. They got elfed by yours truly and started to stale, but they still have 3 forts and their capital (3/4 are being sieged by me however). But I'm now fighting 3 other nations off so you'd be fighting a skeleton crew on my part and have allies.

Also you'd have a Neteret of Many Names awake in your capital, which I'm assuming is Rainbow'd/SC paths out judging by the fact that he wasn't bothering to bless his sacreds. I'm also guessing that the pretender has some paths to be a ready made SC by the fact that he's been focusing his research in alteration. He had alt 5 before he staled so i'm guessing he hit alt 6. So even if he went full rainbow you have a turn 30 titan that can cast Body ethereal/mistform/temper flesh/liquid body/stone skin or iron skin and possibly soul vortex with a death gem.

Is someone bullying Nazca? Looks like they're headed for stale number 2

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>>176237018
>join 14 player game
>3 stalers before turn 10
>i border all 3

>>176237963
That wasn't a real stale that was me getting way too drunk one night. Don't count on it happening again. Or do, I like my firewater

>>176237963
Marignon?

i had partially-anonymous game where the admin sperged out turn 1 and told everyone he was going to sub out or turn AI anyone at the second stale.
After i staled once for IRL reasons i tought it was going to be bad. and it was bad, i even had nightmares and woke up at 5 AM because i wasn't sure if i had done my turn, but in the end we finished the game with an average of less than 24 h/turn and no chainstaler/AI giving a free capital to anyone.

the next game, with a different admin, i started near a chainstaler and a guy who went AI as soon as he lost his expander god at turn 15.

should we all start being a bit more nazi to raise the quality of our PBEM?

>>176237963
t. Malakal

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>>176238505
Learn to do your turns while pissed. Much more entertaining than staling.

>>176238598
yes

>>176225101
Do tell how you Easily make mages immune to it.

>>176243805

Either a bottle or a ring of levitation work.

Earth elementals are tramplers so they cant kill a water elemental unless incredibly lucky.

Ring just makes the mage immune.

Are there any open games?

>>176244138
Covering most of your mages with water bottles is not easy in the real world.

>>176247968

No, but you can alternatively use those two items to protect the actually important commanders.

>>176247968
Water bottles are one of the best W gem sinks in the game.

>>176244348
Cancer is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dominions4/comments/6502dj/new_game_looking_for_players_cancer/
But other than that not really

DSDS3 Ulm are you here? Contact Maverni.

Anyone want an LA game?

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>>176253940
Sure. I was about to create one, using this map I found on reddit. It isn't very well balanced, though, so it may end up pretty memey. If you don't feel like testing it, go ahead and create a game yourself and I'll make another in a week a or so.

>>176253940
>>176254318
I was also thinking about hosting an LA game, since there's a ton of MA games around and I don't really like most EA nations

>>176254318
I'm down to play on a pretty / imba map. Go put your game up, and I'll join

>>176253940
>>176254318
>>176254575
Three people wanting to host a game and no one actually doing it. /domg/ in a nutshell.

>>176254663
I literally just suggested it to see if there was interest. I'ma join the pretty map game.

Make it EA I have a meme build burning a whole in my pocket

>>176255139
n o

>>176255139
Do a meme LA build like scales lemuria

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>>176255759

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>>176254649
Gotcha. Here it is:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FaerieFen

>>176255139
Sorry, m8, we had an EA game just before MagusAssistance.

>>176254318
If you use that map, turn off the starts. They're placed pretty well if you have only 8 players, but the map's way too big for only 8 (over 25 provinces / player), and if you leave them on but have more players, then it messes with the game's built in spread.

>>176256093
Did that already. Thanks for checking, though.

>>176256049
Oh, you already did. Dope

I've noticed Nazca staled for a second time. Anyone know if they're being killed by someone? Will look for a sub unless they submit the current turn in time.

>>176256049
At least it's not MA. I hope Sy doesn't join. Lost my last two LA games to him.

>>176256801
I wonder...
>>176256093
>>176256207

>>176256801
;_;

>>176256395
bestadmin

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>>176256049
I felt like joining. I have no idea what Patala's early research goals should be, though.

>>176256395
2stales=AI

but yeah, they have one province outside of their cap and 2 cap circle provinces owned by Ys,so I assume they're getting the strap-on treatment

>>176257403
also, their one not-cap province is filled with ichtyids, so at least they died doing what they loved...

>>176257403
>>176257586
Oh well. In that case, I'll just set them AI if they're about to stale yet again.

>>176257313
Th-thanks.

>>176256049
sent

>>176256093
There's actually nothing wrong with having 25 provs per head. At least if it isn't a 15-player game.

People try the most ridiculous game settings, mods and build all the time, but somehow have the set in stone idea that you always must do it with 15 provs a head no matter what.

All it means is that it'll be a tad harder / rarer to rush people dead right out the gate.

>>176259082
It makes the game a slog

>>176257142
Good luck in Nserddnyr HGhi -_-

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Hey Ulm bro -

Check out this hot, fresh awake build. Gets you hella provinces and hella scales and still lets you summon vamp counts

Order>Growth is intentional because you get gold capped very early, and being able to afford marginally more labs/mages in years 1 and 2 is worth more than the later income increase

>>176259082
There's 18 provinces/dude with the current cap

>>176261214
or I could take less magic and more growth.
more pop to kill bloodhunting is always better

>>176261796
Magic 3 is mandatory always

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>>176256049
I joined as Pan.

>>176261796
if you haven't hit thaum 1, evo 5 by turn 14 you're doing LA Ulm wrong

>>176256207
>Dope
Californian confirmed

>>176240009

Two stales = AI - NO EXCEPTIONS

>>176259124
It only really changes how the game starts. You're gonna end up with well more than 25 provinces per player at some point regardless, as people die off.

What really determines how slow and tedious a game's gonna get is the total size of the map, not the per player amount.

>>176262073
you can easily do that with M1

>>176265418
Mostly this.

However, I think there's another problem: it makes early expansion disproportionately stronger. Depending on map architecture, EA Vanheim, EA/MA Pangaea and EA Xibalba for example can in principle expand 50 provinces on an empty map during the first year. In standard games they hit other expanding players and are limited in size that way, but in 25 provinces per player game they might take 25 of their provinces and 10 provinces from each of their neighbours natural territory (15 provinces during the first year is respectable enough) and I don't think that degree of asymmetry is good for the game.

>>176256801
If Sy wins do we get more videos

hot 3 or cold 3 if I need the points on a temp neutral nation with no F access

Has anybody tried llama's tomb kings or vampire counts yet?

Does Sy do all the games he plays? I think he's in one of the games I'm in and would like to see what he thinks.

>>176269245
Cold3 gives you marginally more gold in the expansion phase. Take Heat if you have amphibians. Consider the map and what kind of temp connections are more common.

>>176269245

Water access? Any cold blooded units? Units with any fire/cold resistance? Planning on using Earth Snake? Does the map have more rivers or mountains? Do your units have mountain survival, or are they most amphibious? Flying?
What other nations are being played? All Agartha/Ctis/Abysia, go Cold 3. Niefelheim/Caelum/Atlantis, go Heat 3.

>>176269410
fast? well it's not hard to tell what he's thinking right now.

>>176270505

No, a different one.

>>176270505
well it's hard for me... o shit

Is this the most autistic game ever? I feel like it is but I'm not sure.

>>176274956
Hardly. It doesn't even come close to the likes of Dwarf Fortress, Aurora or hardcore mil sims.

>>176275042

idk really - I'm totally fine with Aurora, Rule the Waves and Distant Worlds, and okay with DF, but the amount of micromanagement in Dominions is just too insane for me.

I love Dryads!

>>176278231
I love Ichtyids! For dinner!

>>176280297
t. Fomorian fisher

Nazca, are you around?

>>176275042
>>176275613
Dominions is way more autistic than DF. DF's only as autistic as you want to make it.

Hard to say on Aurora, but I'm tentatively gonna give it to Aurora on that one. I don't remember Distant Worlds being all that autistic. RTW's another iffy one. All I remember about RTW was that the enemy would always withdraw from any large-ship engagements so I never got to do anything but CL and below.

>>176282474
I always felt that dominions having actual graphics made it way less autistic than DF. Even if there is more to micro and stuff I feel like its easier to understand when I can tell what I'm looking at.

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>>176251790
>20 players
>1225 provinces
>hard research
>no fuck the world rituals to get the game over with

Quick someone come up with a new variation of ded.

>>176266249
That's extreme theorycrafting, try in practice to reach that kind of province count after expansion. Even if you could get there with a Awake Monster Xibalba, you wouldn't have enough troops to defend all that when all your neighbors see you've taken "their" lands that fast.

Certainly the early game's different and you should put more emphasis into good expansion. But it's not intrinsically imbalanced any more than someone getting an easy 2nd cap in another game can be.

>>176287510
/domg/ really doesn't seem to punish early agression and coalitions almost never work because people backstab all the time so I'm not sure you're correct.

Bless or scales, what is better in the late game assuming you only have mediocre sacreds and about half your mages are sacred. Discuss!

>>176288063
What sort of troops you got?

>>176288063
Obviously scales.

>>176288263

Obviously? Does that include the late game 'world dead to BoT/armageddon spam/blood hunting' situation?

>>176288063
Depends on bless, nation, and whether you mean normal lategame or memegame lategame like >>176288334

>>176288334
Bless isn't that useful if you don't have great sacreds. In fact, I'd even say bless is a cheesy tactic, focusing on getting a very good expansion phase and then becoming useless quickly. On the other hand, mages are everything in this game. Scales = money and money = mages. Therefore, in doubt, always choose scales over bless.

>>176288430

Its a theoretical scenario.

Does having a strong bless outweigh having scales in a late game situation with all the spells researched and perfect magic access.

>>176288547
There isn't any one answer to your theoretical scenario.

For some nations and some blesses (e.g. LA C'tis with N9B9), a bless is far better than equivalent scales.

For other nations (e.g. EA Ermor with W9), you'd be better off with full scales.

>>176288635

For me there is.

A shroud can be made out of any gem type cheap (alchemizing into pearls) and given to tartarians/elemental royalty/unique blood summons or even generic summons.

Does that mean that a strong bless in a late game is better than what you can achieve normally with scales?

>>176288048
The latter part is still correct, that you can get an unpunished early advantage in any game.

And really only Xibalba is capable of really reaching monster expansion on a bigger map, others can't expand too much faster than usual since their troops must walk from the cap to a border first before taking provinces, Xib can just recruit out of woods & fly to wherever.

And Xib being strong is obviously a constant regardless of game type.

Best way to test hypotheses about what's good on a bigger (per player) map is to play a few games. And can't take a single game as definitive proof of much.

>>176288706
The utility of shrouds depends how easily you can get SCs (nation choice), and how beneficial your bless is to SCs (bless choice).

N9 is usually going to be better than equivalent scales in lategame. W9 is usually not going to be better.

A nation with little access to SCs and great troops (e.g. Vanarus) might not even get much benefit out of N9 lategame compared to more money.

>For me there is.
Then you're not going agree with many people here.

>>176288063
Biggest concern in how good your lategame is, is the size of your economy. So whatever helps you get big earlier.

Niefel, are you here?

>>176288961

My point is the bless is better than scales in a true late game situation where your armies are summoned and not recruited and your normal mages aren't your main force.

Its a fairly easy argument to make and I wanted to argue that in theory rather than a particular nation situation.

Thats why I started the discussion but seemingly you people can't move pass 'hurr it depends on nation'

>>176289093
>My point is the bless is better than scales in a true late game situation where your armies are summoned and not recruited
Once you get to the point of the game where scales cease to have any effect obviously any use of pretender points is better than scales.

You weren't clear that memegame ultra lategame was what you were discussing, so I proceeded under the assumption you were talking about normal endgame, where gold and research are still very relevant.

>>176289394

What? I move onto summons in every game I play, at a certain point.

The world doesn't necessarily have to be all dead. Normal late game implies tartarians and all other summons.

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>>176289763
When you say summoned armies, I think of entirely summoned rather than armies including some summons alongside normal mages and troops.

Are you running zero recruited troops/mages in every game you play? If so, what are you doing with your gold income?

>weapons have hard MRN but spells do not
I'm considering using a really hacky solution that summons a unit with a hard MRN weapon that will probably kill itself in the blast wave.

>>176290965
>running zero recruited troops/mages in every game you play
Just to clarify, I mean past that certain point you mentioned.

>>176291021
Hey kid, try using spec value 17592186044416. I hear it might be just what you're looking for.

>>176282474
>ASCII dominions
>We're reaching new levels of autism I never thought possible.

I would argue that dominions is a different level of autism than DF. In DF, having mechanical knowledge of the building design is challenging, thus forcing the player to either stay a stupid norme or achieve new levels of autism. Dom4 requires a different autism where you need to remember many memes, diplo, innovations, blesses etc of like 12 players simultaneously and make the most efficient move that kills everyone but yourself. They're both juggling acts. Dom4 of spells, diplo, innovations. and DF of design mechanics, pumps, and simcity.

>>176293447
ASCII dominions is not enough. We should add DF into dominions as a province gestion system. Each province works like a dwarf city and its surroundings. If you're not good enough at DF, your economy crumbles and you lose. But if you're not good enough at dominions, your army crumbles and you lose.

>>176289067
Hey, what's up?

>>176294389
Can we talk? I'm in steam cheat.

How much fatigue does a kappa gain on land?

>>176295274
5/turn iirc

>>176294929
but I don't wanna be Malakaled

>>176295383
Thanks.

>>176295629
I'm trying to stop that from happening.
t. Malakal

>>176296361
I don't follow

>>176296456
It was a joke, but anyway I want to know where you are attacking so we don't bump.

>>176296545
Uh, not sure yet, but if you want I can not hit 99 this turn and that's the only place where we COULD bump

>>176296621
Good, thank you.

Erathia seems pretty weak. You expand well and raid well because you have 35g 1r, 40+ HP, 13 Attack, flying, 16 Str. griffins, but griffins are bad in normal armies because they're size 5. So you have to use your resource heavy humans instead, but most of them are merely average, even the summons that also have upkeep (except the griffins but they're still size 5). This wouldn't be an issue if you had good mages, but your battlemages are a 3-random elementalist, an S1H2, an S2H3, and an A2H1, and your only reliable source of A3 is a 265g cap-only.

You end up playing like a combination of MA Man and MA Marignon; heavy armor, powerful but limited sacreds, and cap-dependent evocations.

Am I blind or is there no mod command to make a misc item provide protection without giving the wearer armor?

>>176297505

Link em the mod and I'll giver you my expert opinion.

>>176298175
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2854

have you ever run order3 misfortune3?
tell us so we can have a blast

>>176300301
I'm currently running order 3 misfortune 2 on MA Pythium. Oh boy, that's not even misfortune 3 but that's still suffering. I got many horrible events that each had a very durable impact on my development. I honnestly wonder if I should have taken heat/cold 3 instead of misfortune (I already have cold 1).

>>176297505
>>176300085

OK them my review.

Cap only mage is trash. 4 path mage as a cap only is laughable. It gets A3 tho so theres that. Not StR either but still.

Initiates are your generic S1 for 90g, not best deal but they're also priests. Masters seem too expensive to use most of the time but their H3 and inquisitor can come in handy.

Elementalists and zealots seem like your bread and butter mages. Sacred A2 for 150g is a great deal for t-strikers, being priests on top is a waste tho. Still thats a better deal than elves and birds get upkeep wise. Elementalists open up loads of magic combinations and grant you elemental mastery with magma, acid and RoS. Also a decent enough mage, comparable to Ulm smiths but more random. Anyway the nation has really solid combat mages.

Cap only sacred looks like a massive tank and a great damage dealer. Would rape giants. Since you have a lot of sacred mages N9Ex seems like an obvious bless. With that bless those guys will shred indies. They lack mobility tho.

55g berserker griffins are quite awesome too. Can be buffed with your native magic AND they are disciplined AND they have three attacks each. Sure, the attack density is so-so but its still a great unit. You will likely end up using the cheaper version, but thats also fine.

Cavalier is trash, not even a hoof attack. Crusader is an elite super heavy infantry with reasonable gold cost and huge res cost. But again, how many units have 21 prot in MA? You also get cheap xbows, pikes and halberds, those are usually LA nation troops. I'd say very solid troop line with guaranteed raiding, flaming/guided xbows and super heavies.

Summoned battle griffins are zhayedan-mount tier. 5+ for E2 and 8E gems, thats very massable. Ardent Crusaders are an easy way of conversion from S gems into elite heavy infantry. Certainly usable.

Summoned angels are only ok because their magic is meh. Not really worth the cost since you are covered for flying troops already.

>>176301227
so it's better than MA Ulm? That's pretty top tier

>>176303041

WAY better than MA Ulm. While it does not have res gen mages it has excellent flying troops (3 attacks per square is what bats/birds get) and way better diversity for magic.

Unfortunately it has weak pretender roster and its hard to run N9Ex it wants.

>>176301227
>>176303236
agree with this guy, this nation's really good.

Not sure they actually need N9Ex, though. They can expand fine with crusaders and marskmen, and given their sacred A2s and normal max A3, I think it makes sense to go for an A4E4 god. That also lets you get deployable A4s for fog warriors. I can see N9 being nice, but it's really not necessary

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>>176208027
How to fix your fixes

>EA Xibalba
Ozelotl, Jaguar, and Beast Bat protection reduced to 0.
They're fucking naked animals, they shouldn't have protection at all.

>EA Lanka
Your nerfs won't do shit. Here's how you do it:
Danava now has 200 gold/year upkeep
Dakini protection is now 1. It literally has no armor equipped but somehow pulls out 12 protection out of its ass.
Mendeha basic protection reduced to 1 from 8.

>EA Kalaisa
Markata and Markata Archer now cost 0 resource. You recruit as much of them as you can afford in a single province.
Apsara defense increased to 18 from 15.
Gadharva and Devata defense increased to 15 from 12.
Rudra attack and defense both increased to 18 from 15 and 13 respectively.

>EA Ulm
Shaman now also have +10 supply.

>EA Yomi
Demon Priest is now an alternate Demon General with the same cost, stats, leadership, and equipment, except it is sacred and Holy 1 rather than D1.
Demon Priest loses its 10% chance at +1 magic paths.
Dai Tengu is now Holy 3, and its precision and HP is increased to 15 from 13.

>EA Tir Na Nog
Tuatha Warriors are are no longer cap only.

>MA Eriu
Daoine Sidhe are no longer cap only.

>MA Man
Royal Foresters and Foresters are now recruitable from every province.
Royal Forester and Forester resource cost reduced to 5 and 4 respectively, from 8 and 7.

>MA Asphodel
Carrion Centaur cost reduced to 6 gem to 8.
Carrion Lady cost reduced to 13 gems from 16.
Carrion Lord cost reduced to 28 from 35.


Below are some other fixes I would want

>EA Ur
Sirrush now have recuperation.
Every single recruitable Enkidu unit should get like a 10% gold cost reduction, because they honestly suck.

>LA Lemuria
Lemur Acolyte gem cost reduced to 12 from 15
Lemur Thaumaturg gem cost reduced to 30 from 35
Lemur Acolyte gem cost reduced to 40 from 50

>>176301227
>Also a decent enough mage, comparable to Ulm smiths but more random.
Really? I thought that they weren't that great; 50% of them will be fairly useless X1Y1Z1s, and the 48% that are X2Y1 aren't guaranteed to have useful crosspaths so you might just be paying extra for an E2, F2, A2, or W2.

>>176304110
Natural protection represents a thick hide and just being that tough. It doesn't only come from armor.

>>176304110
>Ozelotl, Jaguar, and Beast Bat protection reduced to 0.
>They're fucking naked animals, they shouldn't have protection at all.
False equivalency. They have thick hides and 2/3rds of the "animals" mentioned are supernatural demons.
>Dakini protection is now 1. It literally has no armor equipped but somehow pulls out 12 protection out of its ass.
Dakini have a magical necklace that protects them.
>Mendeha basic protection reduced to 1 from 8.
They are literally giant rakshasa. You didn't complain about rakshasa base-prot.
>MA Asphodel
Why does Asphodel need a buff?
>Ur
Sirrush are bad, what they need is to be not bad.

>>176282740
Also, Dominions is predominantly multiplayer which makes it less autistic than DF since you interact with other people (albeit they are also on the spectrum).

>>176304305
You're more likely to get an RoS caster with these guys than with ulmish smiths, as an example. I wouldn't use smiths as an example, though, because with them you know exactly what you're getting, similar with this nation's A2 guys. The elementalists ARE great, but they are also somewhat unreliable.

>>176300301
The key to misfortune 3 is outrunning your scales. If you conquer a bunch of Luck pleb lands you will get just as many good events there as bad events in your dom. You will get the full benefit of income scales though since your rich cap will be getting a hefty bonus all the time.

>>176306297
That's not how it works

>>176306350
Oh for fuck sake. I remember having this exact same response about this once from some complete pillock. Stay wrong man. I don't care.

>>176306750
no, I mean, the game doesn't roll good and bad events separately. You have a chance of an event, then there's a sliding scale from uncommon bad to uncommon good that determines what kind of event you get. Luck shifts it one way or the other, so misfortune 3 means that all of your events are worse (in your dom).

If you care only about income and not the missing gem events and sosuch, it's still better to run less luck and less order, since misfortune gives you -income events regularly,which are permanent and stack.

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>>176308651
Beautiful gif, it reminds me of Ichytids.

Quick give me dominions related tattoo ideas

>>176313278
the ophan

>>176313278
This map, all across your back:
>>176308651

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>>176313278
obligatory

>>176313278
7,000 longdead

>>176313278
Your favorite nation's flag.

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>>176313278

>>176308651
Peliwyr update!?!

ded just like my will to go on.

>>176192594
>Taking turmoil on the most blood-dependent nation in the game across all ages
How innovative.

>>176319101
Yes apparently: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3360

EA Game on Peliwyr 2.0 when?

>>176326140
Whenever you host one

>>176316492
This is going on my dick

>>176308651
>the motherfucking oceania-tier turtling island finally get a bridge

YES.YES. FUCK THAT FAGGOT ISLAND.

>>176327090
THAT BRITGE \o/

>>176327090
A handsome bridge too

Also, peep the mountain changes. The new version basically answered the og's balance concerns

>>176327090
>>176327210
>>176308651
There is TWO new BRIDGES!

>tfw no new turns
>tfw thread is dedd

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>>176326592
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TurtleIsland

>>176329480
Please to reserve Berytos, at work for 30 more mins

>>176329480
Thank you M'lord.

I joined as Mictlan, please be gentle.

>>176330501
>>176330718
>literally the two nations I wanted to play

fug. I guess there's always Lanka

>tfw demilich with d3X9X9 is the most efficient way of getting your double bless

welp

how do I summod oceannia?

>>176336768
EA. I only tried with SM and ME, using a dormant a4w4n4b4 Titan.

And done. Nazca is now AI.

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Shinu's probably soon to follow

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Pan isn't doing very well either.

>>176343965
>>176344221
Fun fact - Mari's running a W9B9 bless

>>176344580
>not also running S9 and F9

why even bother?

>>176344221
>in VANARUS
looks like he's doing okay to me.

>>176343965
thank you

>>176297505
>>176301227
>>176303236
>>176303538
Thanks for a review! But now I'm not sure if I should buff it/nerf it/leave it as is. Also, it's strange that nobody has mentioned their potential for skelespamming.

>>176346091
???

>>176346091
>>176347316
wait holy fuck, they have an H spell for fear and farstrike and animate dead WTF?>!?!

So when will the Fourth turn actually be due?

>>176347435
>>176347316
D-does that mean "nerf it"?

>>176347848
when you believe

>>176346091
>>176348481
It reanimates soulless though. Also isn't that limited by the number of deaths in the provinces?

>>176349439
I'm on the phone now, so I can't confirm. If it's soulless, then it's not a problem?

>>176349439
the spell animate dead is. this just summons them

>>176349574
It's a lot of chaff spammable by communion mages (or by indy priests after the H boost battlefield spell is cast)

>>176350063
If this national spell copies Animate Dead, then it should be limited by the number of corpses too.

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Games recruiting:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FaerieFen LA, 6/12
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TurtleIsland EA, 3/8

>>176349574
Soulless have more HP and Str. at the cost of MR, Att, Def, and pierce resist.

I guess for free meatshields they're practically interchangeable with longdead, but the spell itself is severely limited: you need to be casting it instead of Astral spells, it only works if there are already dead people around(if there aren't any the priest casts something else), and you need to communion or recruit the 215g S2H3s for it. It might be nice as a little trick at the end of the script, but it will never equal true skelespam.

>>176304305
Elemental cross paths are good even at 1. F1W1 gets the acid party started (though you need a booster or gems in combat), E1F1 gets magma bolts which are ok, maybe EWA would be less good but you can shoot for rain of stones or rust mist. E boots are a pretty accessible booster, which helps. W bracelet is deep in Const, F takes F4 or FD, A takes A4, but E is not that bad. And you can use Fire in a Jar to phoenix power up every battle.

tl;dr 3 random elemental paths works ok.

>>176351792
I see now, thanks for an explanation. I'll leave the spell as it is right now then.

>>176352231
Most other nations don't have to use gems to get good combat mages.

>>176355434
These mages are like EA Ulm's smiths, but better

Hey can I get a 12 hour extension? Had a friend pass away, and have been drinking with mates.

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>Then we all serioused

>>176362806
soz have to diplo

>>176362806
n-no one needs an extension, right?

>>176363376
Are you Xib? Sell me firebrands. Will pay cost.

Meow

>>176363593
if you can pay in advance and send forging fee, that's fine. Forging fee's any 3 gems I can use (F,A,E,N,D) or 6 blood slaves

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Sargassia update!

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2856

- Octopus tree gem cost 25->20
- Poriferid now has reinvigoration 3 (loses only 2 fatigue per turn on land)
- Giant Poriferid now has reinvigoration 4 (loses only 1 fatigue per turn on land)
- Algoid att 11->12, def 7->8
- Viridian Algoid att 11->12, def 8->9
- Actinids are amphibious now, but have #landdamage 10
- Actinid poitonskin 10->12
- New national item - Calcifier (Const 4, D2, 10 gems, misc slot, autocasts Stone Skin, can only be worn by sargassians)

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>>176362806
>not being the loose cannon with nothing left to lose

>>176366542
Sargassa sounds better desu fampai famiglia tbqh

>>176369498
Brapp

>>176361398
I'll pour out some 40 for ya senpai

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>>176374086
SAD

>>176351229
>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FaerieFen
Joined as Agartha

>>176351229
>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TurtleIsland
Joined as Therodos.

>>176379394
How does one counter an asshole batman?

>>176380782
Magic or magic items.

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C'tis no!
I thought we were anti-Malakal alliance ;_;

>>176381463

Turn fucking three?

>>176380782

Its a all in rush strat, if you patrol him out you have big chance of killing him. Alternatively have D1 mages and pray for lucky combat. Or have POWERFUL commanders/awake god.

>>176381604
>>Turn fucking three?
It wasn't specified when. I suppose that a prophet'd giant (with or without giant guards) also might be able to take him on.

>>176381827

Asshole batman is asshole batman only year one so it was implied in the question. Maximum asshole being beeline for the capital.

>>176380782
There's no way to counter him without getting your expansion screwed.

Best bet, imo, is to recruit indie commanders from adjacent provinces and have them patrol on cap with cheap units.

Asshole batman doesn't go very well in a direct fight, and he can only assassinate one commander per turn.

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FaerieFen LA, 7/12
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TurtleIsland EA, 4/8

>>176388917
turtle is not land.

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>tfw you will never max atatatatata with a Crone

>>176394279
nothing is stopping you

>>176394319
Only my desire to win a game, yeah.

Is there any absolute madman who would want to play a disciple game where a chance of just surviving is around 1%. Nation is Xibalba middle age. If somebody is interested or wants some other info message me on discord YoyBoy#5823 or add me on steam http://steamcommunity.com/id/lukamrko_1/

>>176394383
I don't think people would be legitimately mad if you joined one of the above games with an awake crone, rushed cons, maxed atatatatata, and then went AI when she died

>>176394279
I believe that heroic quickness gets you more attacks than the extra pair of gloves if you keep it up there to the full 100% extra quickness.

>>176394529
I know of two greater salt elementals who would at least try to get mad.
>>176394623
Heroic Quickness goes higher than 100%. Also, it doesn't stack with normal Quickness?

>>176394829
>two greater salt elementals who would at least try to get mad.
name & shame em

>>176394829
>it doesn't stack with normal Quickness?
It's the only quickness that does

>>176395046
>name & shame em
If I did it I think they'd be right to get upset; by joining and effectively committing to lose, my neighbors would be unfairly advantaged.
I respect them too much to name them.

>>176395301
It's just a game, having fun is what matters.

>>176395545
Some people have fun by winning and taking the game seriously.

>>176399498
Well, since generally only one person can actually win, they're not going to have a lot of fun are they? But really, people do enough stupid shit unintentionally that somebody doing stupid shit on purpose is a drop in an ocean. An ocean full of shit. Is starting next to that guy any more of an advantage than starting next to a noob?

>>176399498
>>176399751
I enjoy the challenge, win or lose.

>>176329480
>>176308651
join people http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TurtleIsland

>>176369849
Appreciate it, I did my turn while I ran home to grab something but doing a sober turn now is going to be a lot better.

>>176402120
joined as lanka even tho dont know the first thing of summod

>>176402120

Let me guess: there'll be a lot of turtling going on there

>>176351229
What mods?

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>>176404996

>>176405140
2spooky4myboogie

>>176405140

Another meme game. Sigh...

>>176405658
Host a non-meme one!

>>176405658
WH isn't THAT memey

>>176407079
pre ohlmann it wasn't.

>>176407376
I can fix anything that's too out there if you have feedback

>>176403431
Your indie priests have triple upkeep. Enjoy.

>>176407376
It wasn't too memey afterwards either. Most of the crazy stuff is gone.

>>176408008
is that a big deal?

>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TurtleIsland
>Atlantis
>Therodos
U W B O W L
W
B
O
W
L

Smaller ponds are tagged as #nostar on Peliwyr 2.0, which means Therodos and Atlantis will share at least one cap circle province.

>>176410832
RIP in peace Therodos.

>>176411268
I dunno man, summod death thed is pretty strong. Hard MRN weapons will be doing full damage to Atlantis's 8 MR fishies, and the hoplites outfight them by a fair bit just in terms of combat stats. Add to that archery that works UW, and Atlantis is going to need a pretty nice bless to take them on

>>176411556
>EA Atlantis
>needing sacreds
Just shit out tons of deep one warriors with magic weapons and fuck their shit up.

>>176411943
Test Deep One Spearmen v Hoplites with MRN-hard weapons. They lose hard with equal numbers. A large part of that is the repel, but the difference in combat stats is noticeable too

>>176412053
>Deep One Spearmen
Get that shit out of my face, warriors of the deep man.

>>176412463
>warriors of the deep
lol

>>176412641
>>176412463

Healthy combination two? what a meme

>>176412641
Last time I fought summod thed they did just fine.