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>>176136871
Best girl.
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gibe concede

45899
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Eris is a whore!
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Reminder that running 20 10 drops isn't greedy if you have low cost ramp and removal.
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Luna please stay away from the bottle. It isn't worth it.
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God, this general would be so much better if the Shadowniggers stopped shitting it up, just like they shit up the game itself.
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Reminder that playing followers before turn 3 is toxic and unfair
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>>176134346
Threadly reminder that dragon craft is capable of reaching higher win rates, if it wasn't for their stupidity.
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God, this general would be so much better if the Dragonshitters stopped shitting it up, just like they shit up the game itself.
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>>176137212
But I must join my mother and father
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At least the namefag is not here
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Doing a petition
Reply to this post if you think Shadow is the problem
Ignore if you don't
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>>176137212
Ill give her something else to put in her mouth
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@176137395
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@176137395
because surely the same person cannot respond to the same post multiple times, that would just be illegal
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>>176137395
>>176137395
>>176137395
>>176137395
samefag
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The past few weeks have been:
>Dragonfags calling shadowfags shadowniggers
>Shadowfags calling dragonfags dragonniggers
>People complaining about dragon being labeled shadowniggers
>People complaining about shadow being labeled dragonniggers
When will it end?
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have all the generals been this shitty lately? haven't been here in a while.
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>>176137395
signed
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>>176137560
Meta is shit until Cygames pulls their heads out of the sand and nerfs some cards; nothing to talk about.
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>>176137549
kys bloodnigger
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>>176137560
It's been like this for the last 6 weeks and it probably won't end until cygames nerfs something. Then it'll just go back to swordcucks and runetumors instead
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>>176137549
early june
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>>176137560
All generals breed cancer, yes. They're nice on the initial game release and quickly degrade into a cesspool of angry babbies who yell because dev-chan did something wrong or something.
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>>176137560
Meta is in a bad shape at the moment. People might be waiting for nerfs or the next expansion to discuss things here on the board.
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>>176137560
Dragon autists got triggered and spammed threads for days
Not even kidding, there were like 20 consecutive posts saying "kill yourself shadownigger" just a couple threads ago. Whenever someone decides to call them out they explode into autistic fury. It's kind of funny, really.
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>>176137560
This thread has been like this at this time of the day for a while already. I can't speak about other generals because I stopped visiting them.
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Requesting a concede please

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I, for one, welcome our shadow overlords.
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Do you think Shadowcraft players became retarded when they started playing Shadow, or were they retarded from birth?
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Play Nep shadow.
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>>176137849
I play dragon and me retard
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Reminder shadow players still complain about DE even though their matchup with Haven was better than the matchup four crafts have with Shadow now even if they tech against shadow.
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>that one autistic rowen in the last thread
whew before you call me a shadow nigger heres deck
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>>176137560
generals are the cancer killing 4chan, what do you expect from them?
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Which would you fuck?
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>>176138089
Eris, it's not even close
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>testing my cheap forest deck
>shadownigger roping on turn 1 in unranked
Kys eat my DC(diamond cock) shadowniggers and dragoncucks.
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>>176137643
>>176137672
>>176137683
>>176137709
>>176137771
>>176137772
well that sucks. honestly i stopped playing for a while... i log in for dailies and to play offmeta and joke decks but I figure the ladder will probably get better with the next expansion (that's in june right?). actually taking a break removed all my meta salt since I just treat it like a neat thing to do once in a while.. maybe the really angsty players should take a step back. all the arguing and the 'kill yourself/nigger' spam is kinda lame and depressing.
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>>176138089
Where's Vampy?
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>>176138067
Even the cancer generals are way better than the cesspool of /v/
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>>176138089
DORK IS TOO FUCKING TALL
I'd still tap her.
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>>176138089
Eris and Isa
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>>176137549
When you start playing the video game instead of shit posting about it 24/7.
>OH ERRMY GERD ARISA IS MAI WAIFU I WANT TO LICK FORTES FEET BUGLAR DICK AMIRITEGUYS
~Literally all of you.
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>>176138062
>blazing breath
Already better than the last rowen
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How the fuck did Shadow do it? How did they convince Cygames that they were the poor and helpless craft that they were, when even in RoB they had multiple tier 1 decks? How has Cygames not rectified what they've done this long into the meta? It's baffling.

Shadow players are literally killing the game right now. Time will pass, new metas will come, shadow will obviously not be t1 forever, but the damage has been done already. My playtime of this game went almost overnight from 4-5 hours a day to just barely doing my dailies (not even rerolling the 20 gold ones because I want to finish quicker). I'm not spending another dime on this game ever again, either, because I know my money isn't going to a good place. It's going to a bunch of chinks who have no moral barometer, who can't discern right from wrong, and are clearly okay with upsetting their customers to do what they've done in ToTG.

Fuck Shadow. I don't wish death upon anybody, but for the first time in the 16 years that I've been alive, I hope all Shadow players die a horrible death. I hope they die alone, without the comfort of their friends and family, in the prime of their life, without having experience all the joys the world has to offer. Fuck Shadow so much.
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>Dragon and Shadow players at each other's throats arguing about which of them is more cancerous
>mfw just relaxing and getting ez wins with Roach Forest
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>>176138215
On the ceiling
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>>176138089
Arisa's got some nasty allergy problems going on or something.
Look at them eyelids.
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>>176138256
fuck off leddit
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>>176138292
>Fuck Shadow. I don't wish death upon anybody, but for the first time in the 16 years that I've been alive
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
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I love Jeanne.
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It is literally impossible to make this card good without changing it directly.
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>>176138379
She's cute anyways.
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75497 Would appreciate a concede
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https://www.strawpoll.me/12916454
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>>176138642
10PP 7/7
At the end of your turn, your opponent discards a card for every follower you have on board. There I just made it usable.
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>>176138643
Look at her flaunting her armpit, what a slut
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>>176138292
>How the fuck did Shadow do it? How did they convince Cygames that they were the poor and helpless craft that they were, when even in RoB they had multiple tier 1 decks?
Victim complex post-Khawy.
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>>176138678
Thank you, Vampy
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>>176138186
The thread is going to be shit regardless of the meta
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>>176138680
The worst shitposters are people like you that keep trying to keep the discussion up when the only thing should be complaining about is Cygames's incompetence
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>>176138317
I'm sure the craft with <40% WR against shadow is loving this meta
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>>176139110
>>176139005
>>176139000
>>176138936
>>176138835
>>176138825
>>176138815
>>176138680
>>176138678
Kill yourselves, Shadowniggers.
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>>176139110
>Cygames said this expansion was dedicated to giving shadow/dragon/blood a chance to be on top
>Blood has <40% WR against the craft that's 1/3 of ladder
Thanks
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Why are you not collecting free wins?
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>Meta is shit
>Thread is shit
Anyone got any good games to pass the time until the nerfs?
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>>176139291
>get warned for making a bad post
>make another one immediately after
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>>176139291
we can't even defend our general from the redditors (aka shadowniggers) without the fascist mods banning us now?
what has the fucking world come to, you'd think in 2017 this shit wouldn't still be happening...
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>>176139367
I'm playing shadowverse
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Um, how do I downvote posts on this website?
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>>176139412
That's me, you can't do anything about it.
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>>176139110
Yeah sure according to some site using a shitty decklist.
Bet it doesn't even run Pixie Mischief.
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>>176139318
Because I'm not a whale anon
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>Guy lets the timer run out every single turn in Take 2
I can wait all day motherfucker
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>>176139423
Mods are known to have a deadly urge to ban non-reddit posts.
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>>176139318
Post dick, let's see what your dick has of special.
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>>176139884
Daria had the same shit but second.
at least retards don't know why shadow is good going first
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I'd like to see how the shadowniggers here defend this. 60% winrate going first. Nearly 40% usage rate.

This is pathetic.
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>>176139913
>9 win streak
>special
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Why are dragon poster so obnoxious today
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>>176139564
post yours
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>>176137395
You know a petition won't change anything?
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>>176140146
thanks for the signature
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>>176138642
Just lower her cost to 7pp and rune is back
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>>176140028
>rune, sword, forest DEAD

RIP
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>>176140028
>55% winrate
That's not bad at all, why is everyone crying?
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What a quality thread.
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>>176140428
Same shit of Daria people here are just a bunch of crybbs
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I haven't played this game at all in like 3 days, I just come here for bantz.
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>>176139367
I'm back to grinding Elements
Making electrum is so piss easy now
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>>176140028
I'm not going to defend shadow in its current state because it is obviously broken, nor will I defend the usage rate, but the statistics for winrates against classes are fairly innaccurate and skewed because there are so utterly few people playing other crafts in masters. Because they're so massively underrepresented and overwhelmed, the average is bumped up because it factors the classes together

Looking into specific matchups, it becomes more obvious. Something like midrange vs ramp dragon shows a 57.1%/45.7% WR
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>>176140023
No it didn't. kys shadownigger
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>>176140028
Fuck off, cancer.
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>>176140028
>Ignideus is back to shitpost more
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>>176140184
You're welcome :^)
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>>176140428
>>176140484
>Every other craft except drag has a negative winrate
Yeah balanced meta
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>>176140887
Same shit in Daria times
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>>176139367
I got into GBF and would not recommend it. Too much grind and RNG, just a time killer really.
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>3 crafts have 40% winrate
>2 crafts have 45% winrate
>1 craft has 50% winrate
>1 craft has 55% winrate

>shadowniggers don't see the problem, continue to blame dragon because it's the one deck that can compete with them
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>>176141004
>revisionist history
Literally kys shadownigger
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>>176141004
Daria had multiple counters and was worse than Roach, and then worse than midsword, stupid pedonigger.
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>>176141004
And Diarrheacraft was just as cancer.
People complained then too, what's your point?
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>Play for the first time in nearly a month
>Ladder is just Shadow and Dragon
>Mess around in Unranked
>Same thing plus the odd Jap Daria
I see I've missed nothing.
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>>176141004
>>176140484
>same shit with Daria
No, it wasn't. Fuck off, shadowniggers/dragoncucks.
http://shadowlog.com/trend/2017/7/0/
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>>176141063
LeL fuck off dragonniggercuckoldbitchbabycuckcuck u mad
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Since they said in an interview that ToG was meant to give Dragon, Shadow and Blood a chance at the top, what do you think will happen to Blood since this expansion was a failure for them? Will they say ToG was good enough and Blood goes back to being a counterpick craft with sub 40% matchups or will they actually try again?
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>>176141110
>>176141192
>>176141197
>>176141324
Same Shit with Daria just cry like bitchs
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>>176140643
What the fuck? People aren't playing the other crafts BECAUSE of how low their winrate is.

Holy fuck, the mental gymnastics of dragonniggers is ridiculous.
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>>176141389
Kill yourself, underage ESL shitposter.
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what is esl?
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>>176141505
See the same poster crying about the same shit
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>>176141389
>shadowniggers are SEAniggers too
Wow, what a surprise.
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>>176141389
Why do chinks continue to post here when they can barely grasp the English language?
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>>176141505
>>176141389
>>176141331
>>176141574
>>176141580
Thread still shit.
I'll see you guys when the meta finally changes.
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ROFL dragoniggers cannot accept they couldn't dominate the meta still u need a nerf cus shadow should be the only class with positive WR remember DE.....
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>>176141667
>>176141697
Same guys crying about the same shit.

Nerf YURIUS
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>dragon claims it gets totally countered by aggro
>has a positive winrate against all aggro decks except shadow/blood
>still has a positive winrate against those two when going first
>even has a positive winrate against aegis now
Defend this. Defend being able to obliterate decks that are supposed to counter you, thus shoving them out of latter and any potential reason for them to exist.
Before the usual deflection, no I don't play shadow nor will I defend it ect, this is solely criticism towards dragon, can you answer me that much?
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>ESLniggers
>Shadowniggers
>Dragonniggers
wake me up when totg ends
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>>176141697
I'll let you in on a little secret. It's going to be the same shit, just 2 new cancer classes replacing the old ones.
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>>176140028
>Aegis haven is 4th in top decks
>everyone just shits on Aegis as a turn 9 do nothing
>once dragon/shadow are nerfed Aegis will reign supreme and the game will be totally unplayable

At least you have ways of dealing with shadow/dragons cards.
Aegis was a mistake
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>>176141835

Why they don't nerf yurius and Elana? they should
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Would this deck be considered midrange or aggro sword?
Testing it out I've mostly only been getting leader kills turn 6 or later but it still seems to start of fast too

Also any general improvements for it, was thinking of dropping shrouded assassin and maybe a cyclone blade for something else.
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>>176141741
Oh yes the 1 week aggro blood dominance literally le same shit to a 1 month old settled meta amiright shado/b/ros
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>>176141815
>has a positive winrate against all aggro decks except shadow/blood
Wrong shadownigger. kys
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>>176140140
https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.1.61jJY.61jJY.61jJY.61k2Q.61k2Q.61k2Q.61k32.61k32.61k32.61oCC.61oCC.61oCC.5zvvQ.5zvvQ.5zvvQ.61k2a.61k2a.68zBM.68zBM.68zBM.61qeS.61qeS.61qeS.6D9l0.6D9l0.6D9l0.61lmu.61lmu.61lmu.68_dS.68_dS.68_dS.659nE.659nE.6DEdM.6DEdM.6DEdC.6DEdC.6DEdC.6DH3I

I don't grind Master's Ladder too much because I don't care about whatever prizes but for the past month I never had any dramatic losing streaks with this deck, it's just been a comfortable uptick in numbers. Pixie Mischief and Beatle Warrior are your secret tempo weapons. The one-of Elf Queen helped me tank more than enough Eachter's to keep her forever.
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>>176141876
>BY USAGE
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>>176141815
>mfw Cygames turned out to be just as bad at balance as Blizzard

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
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>>176141815
MOOOOM, my 60% winrate isn't enough, why the fuck is dragon allowed to beat me? Shadow is ALLOWED to be okay, they're the underdog!
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>>176141925
But they need to nerf Yurius to 3pp because2pp for 1 3 is OVERSTATTED
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>>176142037
*2pp 1/4 loli with ward makes suggestive comments in distance*
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>>176141373
Blood is currently the 3rd best craft. How is that a failure? It's all according to plan. The 3 classes that were expected to rule are ruling. Enjoy shadowverse.
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>>176141876
If aegis gets too good they just have to introduce a follower or spell that can reduce a follower's defense to 0
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2pp 1 3>>>> 3pp 1 1
3pp >>>>> 9pp countdown 2
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>>176141815
>aggro deck except shadow/blood
>blood
wrong nigger it's only shadow that can compete with dragon
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>>176141815
Pretty sure storm haven has a positive winrate against them too.
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>>176142165
KILL YOURSELF
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>>176142167
He needs to be undestroyable but targetable by all other effects.
So he can still be bounced/transformed/rendered unable to attack/etc

At least then people can tech in cards to stop him.
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>130 posts in
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>>176142208
In master, ramp dragon has a 52.4% winrate against storm haven
So no, haven still loses
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>>176142248
Exactly.
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Reminder Shadowbabs aren't only crying about the one class that isn't complete shit about them, but they think Yurius needs a nerf because their winrate isn't 100% against Blood.
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>>176142165
>The 3 classes that were expected to rule are ruling.
>Blood loses every matchup except Haven and Rune, one of which is a dead craft this expansion
>Loses horribly to the craft that's nearly 40% of ladder
That's a weird way to describe being on top
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>tfw this general is became absolutely worthless
Goodbye /svg/ I'll miss some of you
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>>176142427
>falseflagging THIS hard
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>>176142361
Nigger.
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>>176142427
There is no need for reminders. Everyone knows shadowrats very well.
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Lol crying bbs. show me were yurius touch u
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>>176142525
I only miss
BREAKING NEWS
>BREAKING NEWS
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>>176141904
Midrange kills fast too. The difference is that aggro focuses on flooding the board with followers (typically to be buffed by something like royal banner or sage commander) while midrange plays a lot of high value cards that bully the opponent's board, like tsubaki, fangblade slayer, and alwida's command.
Your deck is definitely aggro, so I would drop grimnir altogether for more two drops (lyrial or unica), shrouded for floral fencer, and ninja trainee for luminous mage.
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>>176142361
kek
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>>176142525
Yeah, dragon players just had to flood the general with their shadow boogeyman shit
I'll come back once there's news to discuss
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>>176142771
t.don't know what to do
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>>176142483
If Shadow wasn't so strong and relevant, Vengeance Blood would be a pretty strong deck. The meta ruins its potential but it's still one of the best decks in ToG. That's how big the power gap is between Shadow/Dragon and the other classes.
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>>176142771
Or you'll just keep crying about Sybil like you usually do.
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>>176142165
Blood got good tools this expansion without becoming bullshit.
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>>176142771
>we dindu nuffin wrong! it's dragon's fault!
Next you'll cry about the banishcaust you piece of shit
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>>176142869
Say that to 4pp 4 4 draw 2 cards with overstatted piece of shit and 25/25 6pp combo
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>>176142771
>le dragon boogeyman
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>>176142863
As a swordcraft player, you're goddamn right I will
>le full stats 5pp do everything pseudo-ward
Good job killing off literally all aggro decks except for one you cancerous fuck
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:3
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>>176143163
Kill yourself, shadownigger.
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>>176142825
It would be, but that's not the case so Blood turned out poorly in line with the interviews on ToG. How could they say they accomplished their goal to give Blood a chance be to at the top when Blood's winrates this expansion are some of the worst they've had since Standard?
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>>176143163
>11 skeles died before turn 6
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>>176142998
Look at this thread and all the shadow namecalling, tell me that's not the most degenerate form of cancer to any and all discussion
But I'm sure it's just falseflagging which is also somehow blame-shifted to shadowniggers, right? The thread's just 24/7 shitposting about shadowniggers making fun of themselves because of nonsensical reasons that fit your agenda
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>>176142997
Belphegor is balanced and makes vengeance rewarding. Snek is a meme that requires you to do nothing for 3 turns,
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>>176143163
wow amazing anon
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>>176143163
tfw your opponent cock blocks the growth of your shadow reapers.
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>>176143481
Kill yourself, shadownigger.
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>>176143481
>>176143163
kys shadowniggers
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>>176142997
>belp overstated
>when shit like Sybil exists
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>>176143163
delet this
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>tfw using the new Luna sleeves while playing dragoncraft
In-game shitposting is the best
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>mfw we've finally become more dead than /hsg/
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>>176137919
>playing nep shadow for the first time
>5 games in
>not a single nep summoned
>still won them all
Is nep a meme?
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>>176144083
This game's honeymoon period is over. People can see it's the same poorly balanced shlock as every other CCG.
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>>176144083
HS is having a good expansion and the game still sucks
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>>176144170
>as every other CCG
Plays more card games.Devs who actually give a shit would be panicking and rushing to fix this if their game had the current shadowverse meta.
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>>176144135
The ledger variant is lowkey really fucking good. When catacomb gets nerfed people are just going to flock to that insted.
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This kys Blood deck was a pretty fun decision to get as my first deck.
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>>176143783
this desu but unironically I like luna though
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>>176144370
>lowkey
stop
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Maybe this thread can be salvaged.

Post lewds.
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Assassin Erika leader when?
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>>176144542
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>>176144542
One of those is a boy, you know
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>>176144357
Respectfully, what's a good CCG right now? I don't know if elder scrolls has changed any, but last I played it was an aggro shitfest and the shadow lane was breaking the game. Duelyst is an RNG fiesta that peaked in beta. Gwent is boring, Hearthstone is expensive, and Shadowverse is stale.
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>>176144357
>Devs who actually give a shit
Like none of them? Konami would kill it with the banlist months later and print something equally as obnoxious next set. WotC would say "Lol just find a counter bro". Blizzard would takes months of "observing the meta" to see that indeed, it's a broken mess that needs nerfs.
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What is the point of this card? Why is it gold?
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>>176144678
Not gay if feminine dick, yada yada.
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>>176144741
Even Konami killed EMEm two weeks after it hit the TCG.
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>>176144725
>Hearthstone is expensive
And a fun shit show of random creation
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>>176144375
How did you afford 3x Belphegor and 3x Soul Dealer for your first deck?
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>>176144754
Fills the much needed gap in gsun on turn 3, combos well with octobishop
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>>176144754
Good with guardian sun
Synergy with octobishop on the following turn which is also good with guardian sun

Unfortunately, guardian sun decks all hit the trash bin with this expansion
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>>176144580
Don't you mean Tsubaki?
She said she was from another kingdom. Clearly it was the game world's token ding dong kingdom.
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>>176144678
Jammin memes my dude
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>next week
>magic girl colab
>vampy,luna,arisa,eris and forte with magical girl clothers
>the thread is fun again
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>>176144542
.
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>>176144754
Guardian Sun synergy.
>Why is it gold?
Why is Beast Dominator legendary?

>>176144901
5-6 legendaries is not a hard thing to get when starting, especially if you reroll for it.
Remember that, other than rerolling, there is also 48 packs from the AI achievements and Private Match achievement, as well as gold from story mode and T2.
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I wish Eris was my mom
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>>176144542
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>>176144860
Not too sure what EMEm is but I remember the Dragon Ruler/Prophecy meta was allowed to reign WAY too fucking long.
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>>176144725
Digital? Slim pickings, they're all small/dead/dying because they have more complex systems. The best games are all still physical.
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>>176144901
Liquifying the useless legos I pulled and playing about 20 rounds of arena before playing my first constructed game.

Also only run 2 Dealers, don't like drawing him every single game, especially in a mirror.
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>>176145075
PUFFY
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>>176145013
we might not make it to next week
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>>176144357
There are no good CCGs, every single one of them is a broken mess, just pick your favorite flavor and stick with it.
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>>176145093
Look up Performage Performapal or Performage Pendulum. It's the EMEm deck he's talking about. In the TCG, it was called PePe.
It was a relatively recent tier 0 deck that ruined the OCG for a while and that was immediately dealt with when it came to the TCG.
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>>176144725
MtGO and XMage are pretty decent online card games.

Rest is pretty shit, desu. :^)
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>>176136871
In the cheat sheet for take two, what do the colors mean?
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>>176145075
Dam those giant nips. And by nips I mean nipples.
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>>176145280
>MtGO
>anywhere close to decent
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>>176145106
What's the best physical card game? Used to join my LCS' weekly drafts but never got into modern or anything because of the price.

I think I'd enjoy MTG if I could play it online, but it seems all the clients suck shit.
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Why is everyone complaining about shadowverse?
Why don't you just play arena instead for a bit?
Or play shadows?
It's not like in some mmo or whatever where you can only play one class and if your class sucks you're SOL. Just play the strongest deck for a couple weeks.
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Is the meta done being shit yet?
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>>176144621
Dark Jeanne edit when?
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>>176145285
Nothing really the but S,A,C is the value of the cards
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>>176144542
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>>176145397
>Why don't you just play arena instead for a bit
That too is infested with Dragon and Shadow. On top of the draft format being shit in this game.
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>>176145253
Here's hoping they won't let True Dracos go T0 as long as they already have been in the OCG due to Links fucking every other deck over.

Then again, not like anyone is going to play it anyway with how low Secrets pullrate is in MACR and that KoA turned an Archetype consisting of only commons into nothing below Super Rares.
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>>176144741
didnt wotc just ban a card before it even came out
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>>176145397
it's been two months, you're obviously going to get bored of playing with the top two decks or facing 40% shadow and 30% dragon on the ladder

T2 is better slightly, but ouroboros and aegis are both so stupid
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If you guys want to go back to DE, just play unranked!
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>>176145470
BRAAAAAAAP
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>>176145397
I want to have fun playing what I like to play, not playing what is currently in the best deck.
In RoB I could play tier 2-3 decks or meme decks and win. In TotG it's absolutely impossible.
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>>176145470
i want to sniff
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>want to do dailies
>run into scumfuck shadow players every match
I honestly wish everyone who plays this deck would die.l
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>>176145386
There's no "best" game. YGO has terrible power creep problems, MtG has a huge buy-in for old formats and Standard is super expensive over time and currently went from having 2 T1 decks to having 1 T1 deck because the other (which also was the best counter to it) was banned, Force of Will also has power creep and general balance issues, no idea how good Netrunner is but the main issue I see with it is finding enough people to play with.

True patrician in my eyes is playing EDH in MtG with friends.
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>>176145592
2 weeks after.
Then they had a combo in standard (only new sets) that was banned in modern (new sets + some older sets) and didn't ban it when they were supposed to, so they randomly banned it 3 days laters.
Their devs have been all over the place in terms of power level. Sets are shit now but certain cards are blatantly OP and become the $50 cards that every deck needs.
They just came out of a 2 deck meta (like we're in rn).
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>>176145940
>tfw no irl friends to play mtg with on weekends
I have one friend who enjoyed hearthstone slightly but they fear the size of the game and having to learn all the cards and mechanics
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>New shadowlog report shows shadow players make up more than all five other classes combined

Anyone else enjoying the mid-shaman meta? Shama- I mean Luna, is so strong!
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>>176146072
MtG is a pretty natural learning experience. If he plays Standard, his mechanics pool isn't much bigger than in Hearthstone and the relevant number of cards is also alright.

Older formats are a bit of a hurdle, but picking up some pre-built decks for Kitchentable and drafting a bit to meet new people is a good start.
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>>176146139
how well does mid shaman do now?
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>>176145940
>tfw even YGO is fun with friends
I used raccon decks for 4 years and one of my friends used six samurai and other a phoenix.
Fun times
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>blood getting literal perfect topdecks while I brick the early game with the only three 5-cost cards in my deck
nice epic I like it
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>>176146139
The fact it hasn't been nerfed yet shows that the devs are incompetent. There's no waiting for the meta to settle when a deck has been this oppressive since week 2.
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>>176144083
Ironically /hsg/ has a very good expansion out (comparable to DE). Maybe if they toned the RNG down and made it less of an impact on my wallet, I'd actually stick with it again.
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>>176145964
Cat Lady u fortunately was the strongest counter to Vehicles, the second T1 deck. We pretty much went from a 2-deck meta to what is shaping up to a 1 deck meta unless someone figures out a hardcounter deck to hate it off the board.
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>>176146298
>play Turn 1 Odin one fucking time
>friend never plays with me again
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>play ranked
>dragoncucks and shadowniggers everywhere
>play unranked
>filled with havenhags and dshitters
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>>176145940
I'd play DM so hard if wotc didn't kill the game everywhere outside of Japan.
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>>176146286
Doesn't exist in Standard.
There's no Tier 1 deck (as in, a deck with over 52% win rate) in Standard right now.
The game is still frustrating with all the random effects, though. Would rather play a million Shadow games than face another Mage with three+ Ice Blocks.
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>>176146139
Actually, it's only in master. Other ranks still have a healthy meta.

Although I guess it's a moot point since Master should be the only thing that matters competitively.

>tfw shadow makes up 90% of my games
Even if Cygames nerfs it in a month, I no longer have any faith in them. They're probably just going to make another class or two broken beyond fuck next expansion.
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>>176146407
The main problem the HS expansion brought was that none of the new decks are budget friendly and the ones that are rather cheap are cancerous no-fun combo and aggro shit.
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>>176146323
Didn't someone say the dev team is made up of MTG pros? How can they let something so glaring slip by time and time again and not do anything about it for 2 months?

Also Shadow has been oppressive since week 1. The midshadow list was figured out like 3 days after the expansion - it just didn't catch on because people were fellating Dragon at the time.
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>>176146298
>>176146460
YGO is fun because it's so stupid. I wouldn't be able to use it to replace a card game with a mana system, because they are inherently different games, but it's nice to play occasionally. Bloody expensive though.
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>>176146723
if people arent playing right now, they aren't building up gold to buy the next expansion packs with

cards will be nerfed when teasing for the next set starts
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It's going to be a great, great wall.
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>>176146723
I want to say it was the 2nd day after the expansion dropped when all of the big sites made their preliminary tier lists with Mid Shadow and Drgon being T1.
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>>176146879
Kill yourself, dragonigger
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>>176146950
You mad, roachbeaner?
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I just uninstalled Shadowverse this morning. Dailies started feeling like a chore fighting through shadow's perfect curves and dragon's healing bullshit. Not enough bloods/havens/whatever on ladder to break up the monotony. The game simply stopped being fun for me.

Why are you guys still here? Do you genuinely still have fun with the game? Are you waiting in hopes of nerfs? Maybe you have a problem letting go?
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Bored of pepe and budget decks. What should i make with 7300 vials?
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>win 3 forest/sword matches
I've been going for over an hour and 30 minutes
just want to die desu
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>>176147114
Go arena for sword. Easiest 5-wins of my life.
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>Havencraft has now become the third most popular class, as it has highest win-rate against Shadowcraft (47.5%), even surpassing that of Dragoncraft (45.5%).

>Class inherently countering shadow with a deck built to counter shadow has 47.5% winrate

You can't make this shit up.
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Neph shadows aren't shadowniggers r-right???
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>>176147003
Probably wolfbolt.
Midrange sword if you're autistic.
You're honestly like half way to a fucking ramp dragon from your pulls alone, so you could possibly keep saving until you can make it.
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>>176147003
if you enjoy winning, 2 cerbs
play aggro shadow
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>>176146879
Fuck you and your braindead cancerous deck dragoncuck.
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>>176147003
How about you start a plan to kys?
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>>176146460
>tfw my raccon deck was a trade from a card that i received from a $2 tourny
I managed to get a lot of top 4with a 2 dolar deck.
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>>176146723
Being a MTG pro doesn't guarantee shit in regards to quality game design.
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>>176147165
Why would you care what /svg/ labels you as? Everyone is cancer according to us. Just play Nep, bro.
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Reminder that Cygames will never nerf Dragon and Shadow because they have shown both of them on stream yesterday losing to meme decks.
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>>176147114
Forest is hard because their silvers and bronzes fucking suck. Sword is easy if you have albert.
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Is it over?
is Cunnyverse dead now?
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>/svg/ is so dead we're talking more about other card games and randomly shitflinging than discussing the game
>Won't be another month until nerfs come

How far we have fallen. So this is how it ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
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Any decks actually use Phoenix-Riding Anus, or are the other Dragon cards just too broken to fit her in anywhere?
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>>176147602
Discard dragon uses her. But
>discard dragon
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>>176147602
She is good for Face Dragon when vs Shadow. I play 3 Forte and 2 Aina on my build.
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>>176147564
There's nothing to talk about, the meta is figured out already.
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>>176147534
With a comprehensive nerf to Dragon and Shadow the game will go back to normal

>>176147706
>>176147672
May I see your lists, anons?
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>>176147767
>With a comprehensive nerf to Dragon and Shadow the game will go back to normal
And it'll be broken again in another month since Cygames have shown they subscribe to the idea of forcing deck archetypes to rotate T0/T1 decks between expansions.
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>>176138292
it's always funny to see idiots like you thinking this isn't strictly cygames's fault and incompetence, and that somehow what anyone here says affects what gets introduced in subsequent expansions
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Anyone want my Neph / Kys Blood / Storm / Aggro Sword (3x Tsuba) / Aggro Earth deck?

6k point master
decks mostly based around Japanese player posts from niconico (I'm Japanese)
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Nepgear and true ptp are the thinking skelington's joy.
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>>176147002
Meme with shifters

>>176148041
It wouldn't be half as bad if each classes card library was better filled out.
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What music do you guys listen to while playing so that you don't tear your hair out when you lose to OP shadowniggers?
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>>176138292
>http://steamcharts.com/app/453480#All
They're already below launch numbers
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>>176148091
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>176148158
I don't listen to music because I don't play SV anymore. I'm just here to shitpost and give free bumps so we don't 404.
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WE WERE THE CHOSEN ONES. I THOUGHT IT WE WERE THE PERMANENT TIER 1 CRAFT, THIS ISN'T WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR.
NERF SHADOWNIGGERS AND DRAGONKEKS NOW SO WE CAN RECLAIM OUR RIGHTFUL PLACE AS THE BEST CRAFT.
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>>176148072
Post Nep and KYS
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>>176148158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atc0ERea7nE
I haven't played a single game in 2 days, though.
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>>176148158
>"Playing" shadowverse in this meta
I only do dailies then im out
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>>176148072
Post with codes I havge 9 deck spaces to fill
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>>176148198
2.8k were launch numbers from that graph and we're at 3k now.

Not "bad", but not good either. I just hope the next expansion drums up some hype again, because I don't see people coming back even after nerfs in a month or so. The damage has already been done and Cygames are delusional if they don't realize it.
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>>176148072
yeah post them please
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As a brand new player, how do I get into this game?

I did most of the story and redeemed the free card pack tickets. But I assume that going up against other players with the cards I have now will get me destroyed.

Is there any sort of guide on the current meta and how to get there? What card packs do I buy with gold? What are the best activities for grinding for new cards?
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>>176148198
DE was objectively the best meta
to save the game we have to make Otohime good again
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>>176147002
I can't even tell you. I stopped doing my dailies a week ago and only log in for the daily bonus.
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>>176148242
GAS THE DRAGONS AND SHADOWS START A CRAFTWAR NOW.
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>>176148158
>Not listening to pokémon battle colosseum music when playing any ccg
I see there is no one who appreciates true culture here.
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>>176147165
The only acceptable shadow decks are Atomeme and Minthe. You are a terrible human being who is causing the death of this game otherwise.
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>>176148464
This
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>>176148459
>What are the best activities for grinding for new cards?
Beat the practice AI on Elite and Elite 2.
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Any idea if Pascale can be good in aggro dirt, want to make wife as viable as possible.
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>no choice but to concede
lmao if the bahamut/lighting blast x3 on turn 5 ever falls out of the meta an entire craft is completely screw because of roland
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>>176148464
Wrong
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>>176148459
Read the sticky.
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>>176138292
By constantly crying. Shadowbabs cry when they're good, when they're bad, when they're broken.
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>>176148459
Look up a midrange shadow deck. Build it
Play 1000 games of it to get to master. Uninstall since you've seen everything the game has to offer.
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>dragonfag didn't draw any lightning blasts and had to use zell to suicide ourobous into my mordecai for the heal
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Should i do this to finish making Kys Blood if don't which one of useful
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>>176148304
i dont even do dailies anymore dude, whats the point of getting shit on by dragon and shadow 50 games in a row just to complete my dailies? Dragon can honestly be nerfed (remove zell, maybe tone down sibyl a bit) but shadow at this point is out of fucking control i dont think the game can be salvaged at this point.
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>>176147002
Dailies are easy since I have decent decks to most Crafts and unranked you can just insta concede into next game if you don't like matchup.

I'm just farming gold and slowly working monthly score for sleeves. Playing GSun vs Shadow is okay.
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>>176148619
Control sword is never coming back since any class can play Bahamut and render your grind game useless meaning you have 0-100 matchups against any other control class. C. Sword was already doing well against miracle roach btw.
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>>176148459
Start completing your achievements and netdecking to get an idea of what you want to build, since you probably know what class you like the most and want to focus on at the start.
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>>176148727
if you're going to melt leggos at least do it for a good deck
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>>176148459
You picked the worst time possible to get into this game.
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I got a second Dark Jeanne today.
Can someone post a storm haven list that uses her?
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>>176148459
What card games have you played before?
You can get up to 2.4k rupees if you beat the Elite and Elite 2 AIs. There is also 2k more rupees for the Private match achievements.
After having a basic understanding of the game you can also use the free Arena tickets for even more rewards.
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>>176147602
She's not really a good card. 6pp is way too much for a 1/5. If you play her against aggro so she actually gets decent stats you're dead and against control it is completely a dead draw.

if you really need another storm around 6pp or don't have forte, seabrand dragon is almost always better.
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>>176147002
I'm kinda just logging on for dailies at this point but even then I find myself not finishing them half the time.

Sometimes I have to play for 1+ hours to complete a single daily because I can't stop getting matched against shadowniggers as rune or blood FUCK
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>>176148464
And DE is considered the worst expansion.

So they need to make a shit expansion with shit legendary/gold cards to have a good meta?
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>>176148464
Post nerf RoB was the best meta.

>>176148786
Bahamut only comes out on turn 10. Roland has already done enough by then.
The only reason why Bahamut fucks over Roland right now is because Dragon can play it on turn 6.
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>>176148727
If you have to vial the stuff in the picture then don't vial sibyl aerin, mutagenic bolt, or elf queen
Honestly I'd just wait a bit and avoid vialing legos altogether unless they are from standard
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>>176148896
>seabrand dragon is almost always better
Seadragon doesn't allow to me Luna's face with 9 damage.
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>>176148941
correct

TOG has twice the legendaries and half the viable decks. Coincidence?
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>>176148952
>Bahamut only comes out on turn 10. Roland has already done enough by then.
Roland does nothing though. She only stalls out burst decks, but against every other control deck they're already playing a stronger control game than you anyways.

There's a reason C.Sword was dumpster last meta even when Miracle Roach was at its worst.
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>>176148727
>Sibyl
>Aerin
Don't do that, you retard. Also, if you are going to go after Blood, keep the Snek for fun memes.
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>>176148952
Is that so? I played aggro shadow every day after the nerf?
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>>176138815
10pp doesn't help when you're not getting to it

>>176139367
Play Life. Levelup your cooking and socializing skills. Remember to not use Cha as a dump stat

>>176141973
Were you not around for s.Zoi in granblue? Nobody had any expectation that shadowverse wasn't going to tank into the dumpster instead of saving us
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>>176148941
Yes because they didn't powercreep the everliving fuck out of the game.
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>>176149046
*to hit
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>>176149060
>TOG has twice the legendaries
I'm still surprised people aren't giving Cygames shit for that. ToTG was the first expansion where I didn't get every legendary despite opening 100 packs.

Nice game, jews.
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Is dragon the most inconsistent top tier deck to date?
This shit bricks more than dorothy did.
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>>176148780
Make Necro only generate shadows from followers, this is a huge hit to both Cerb and their shadow generation in general. Next make Eachtar cost 8 and cause all followers to be banished while he's on the field, finish it by making Catacombs cost (1) Necromancy per every follower that's hit and it goes from a deck you have to try to lose with to a deck where shadow management matters again and you have to make good plays and think ahead.
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>opened my 3rd hector, no aegis or ouroboros
>also happen to have 2 cerbs
B-but I don't want to be pedocancer..
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>>176149120
Without powercreeping no one bought the packs from this shit expansion except Haven.
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>>176141973
Not even a surprise. Cygames has a bad track record of balance. Just ask any GBF player.
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>>176148993
>>176149079
So just wait might a well do this after the free packs then
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>Archangel Reina hits four targets and gets for me lethal from a losing situation
I fucking love T2
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>>176149102
I meant print a follower separate from ginger with that effect, not changing ginger's effect to that.
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>>176148727
Don't vial Elf Queen, Aerin or Sibyl.

>>176149061
All you need as CSword is for Roland to stall to Albert or whatever your win con is. Control decks have problems with Roland until Bahamut comes out because you always have to burn 2 cards to kill her or any other 5+ health minion if you don't have hard removal.

>>176149085
What's that supposed to mean?
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>>176149160
>ToTG was the first expansion where I didn't get every legendary despite opening 100 packs.
Then I must be an unluckshitter because I pulled 4 legendaries at the start of RoB with 80 packs, with 2 being Bahas.
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>>176149160
>>176149470
95 packs
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>>176149453
>Csword
>Wincon
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>>176149453
>What's that supposed to mean?
I mean that aggro shadow was very popular right before the release of this expansion, and of course, after the release.
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>>176149453
>All you need as CSword is for Roland to stall to Albert or whatever your win con is.
Did you even play before TotG? C. Sword never had a problem getting to the albert turn. Their problem was having no way of closing out the game against proper control decks. There's a reason why Midsword was significantly more played.
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>>176149556
>I am an illiterate
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>>176149632
When people say wincon, they generally refer to something that can end the game. Not a heavily conditional 10 damage to face.
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Spending my last 100g before I start saving for next expac
1-3 ToG
4-6 RoB
7-9 DE
0 Standard
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>>176149756
>Albert
>heavily conditional
kys swordgook
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>Feel good about hitting 10k vials
>Realize it's only 12 golds or 3 legos

>>176149160
Retards constantly bitches about it. The added headroom the decision gave is a good thing. Nobody wants to be dragonsong flute for a month
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is there ANY reason to get DE packs?
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>>176149797
fuck this
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>>176148727
STOP. HOLY FUCKING SHIT STOP.STOP FUCKING VIALING SHIT. STOP FUCKING VIALING GOOD SHIT. IF YOU NEED VIALS FUCKING ARENA OR GIT FUCKING BETTER DO YOU HAVE NO GRASP OF VALUE???
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>>176149948
seraph emblem
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>>176149823
>getting to turn 9 against eachtar or zell
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Next expansion when? Fuck Dragon and Shadow. When is Forest getting out of the shitter?
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>>176149856
>Defending jewish business practices

I didn't know Cygames bothered shilling on a dead general.
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>>176149626
Yes, I did and I played a lot of Control Sword before the nerfs.
>Sword never had a problem getting to the albert turn. Their problem was having no way of closing out the game against proper control decks
I honestly don't remember having that problem. CSword had >50% winrate against CBlood and around 50% winrate against Seraph all thanks to Albert. The only relevant control deck it had a bad match up against was Nep.
My experience playing the deck also strongly reflected those statistics.
>There's a reason why Midsword was significantly more played.
That was only post nerf. Pre nerf, CSword was the only deck that could consistently beat Roach and most people either played Aggro or Control, since people still had the mentality that Midsword = Otohime.
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>>176149797
Never buy standard. You get it from login, missions, and arena

>>176149823
Doesn't count if you never get to play him
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>>176149362
Best feeling.
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So far there have been two tier 1 decks that had negative win rates in the hands of the average player. Dshift and ptp forest. Both combo/control decks that required playing multiple cards each turn instead of just dropping on curve.
Ptp fell out of the meta because of bahamut and being slow in general.
Dshift fell out of the meta because of aggro and storm bahamut. I really hope cygames introduces a new deck like these that will become tier 1 but be considered not worth the effort so most people avoid it.
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>>176149979
If I followed shitty advice like this i'd still be stuck with only a couple of decks instead of playing whatever I wanted.
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>>176149823
>Requires an evo point (good luck with that going first)
>Requires your opponent to be at <10HP (good luck managing that against a control deck)
>Requires your opponent to have no wards on field (good luck against control decks)
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>>176150031
They are talking about RoB meta, mentally challenged autist.
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>>176150049
Don't cry about deck viability and the meta then cry that they make more legos going forward which lets them repair wounded and revive dying/dead crafts.
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>>176148727
I hope you kept Sibyl at least
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>>176149979
Why should i keed cards of classes that i don't want to play
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>>176150037
hopefully never
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>>176150191
Work on your reading comprehension, ESL-kun.
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>>176150236
Dailies and you'll move on the longer you play.
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>>176148269
>>176148419
>>176148376
sry changed to english and is writing detailed reasoning

You can swap Lyrael to Elta x2 for surprise play vs Dragons lategame, this could burn their lightning blast. Lyrael used because you can pressure nec/vamp

Foul Tempest is swapped out because you don't really need Foul Tempest vs Necro and it's useless against other classes
(Foul Tempest is 3 mana, by 3 mana Necro has overloaded the board already, the goal is to remove the minions before they come into the board with your 2 mana spell)
And for the 3 damage Shadow effect to counter Breath, it's not practical because Nep does not have any Necromancy generator,s and you need the necro for Death's Breath.

By the time you get to 6/7 mana, you won the game because Necro cannot get past Death Breath/Khawy (Eachtar will heal you for 8 life, then Nepth comes in)

Also this deck has a VERY high skill cap, playing Nep vs Dragon is probably the hardest matchup in the game atm

You need to let the Dragon minions hit you early, and not waste your Zombie Party/Necro/Pact unless enemy has overflow and can 1shot you

The goal is to pressure the dragon into using his Lightning Blast into your Khawy/Breath/Lich combo

Try not to waste your Grimnir as well, also after enemy has overflow do not play lich even if you have in your hand, Nephtis has a chance to not summon Khawy if you have a 1/1 Lich on board, and Dragon can ignore it.
Try to evolve the lich and hit dragon if you do have it in your hand early. Don't play Ledger after Turn 6 because it will burn your Khawy/Neph.

Mulligan everything other than Ledger (Keep Nep on Dragon), against Nec do the same but if you start 2nd keep Resentment only if ur 2nd. If you have Ledger keep 2 costs.

Blood will counter you since they peak turn4~6, try to mulligan ledger and get removals, use resentment early and not waste necro

Dshit is 80% winrate against Neph, but just try to mulligan everything except for Ledger/Lich (the 1/1 lich)/Breath
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>>176150074
C. Blood is barely a control deck. It was actually the worst control archetype in the game at the time (still is really). Not sure why you're bragging about beating it.

You'll now autolose to haven if they have tos/aegis. Also, midsword had much stronger positive winrate against seraph, so roland means nothing in the matchup.

>That was only post nerf.
Midsword was always stronger since it set the tempo instead of playing passive hoping for Albert like C.Sword. As you said, C.Sword only did better because it did decent against Roach.

But go ahead, keep pushing your roland meme. You'll simply be forgotten like the guy who tried to push his control blood meme.
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>>176150167
>class with the most storm and rush in the game
>having trouble with wards or getting the opponent to 10HP
>class with literal free evolves
>having trouble keeping an evolve
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>implying they'll nerf dragon or shadow
>implying they won't give the other classes powercreeped shit to ''balance it'' instead, turning it into a solitaire clusterfuck
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>>176150204
You are a retard. They aren't adding more cards, they are just tagging more cards as legendaries. Half of those legendaries, especially meme trash cards like Anomaly, could've easily been golds instead and some trash golds could've been Silvers/Bronzes. Nothing would've changed, we just would've had to buy less packs/spend less vials to make the same decks.
That's just a retarded jewish practice and you should kill yourself for defending it.
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>>176150204
Considering they could always shift the balance more towards golds/silvers instead of starting the trend of releasing one garbage lego and one good lego, I don't really understand your shilling.
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>>176150167
>two control decks in the entire meta
hmm...
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>>176150417
Looks really solid except isn't Khaiza too slow?
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>>176150204
I don't see any reason why people should be happy with garbage like Ginger, Minthe, and Anomaly diluting their lego pulls. It wouldn't be so bad if all the legos that were added actually had some sort of impact or spot in some deck, but the ToG system just makes it harder to get the good stuff. I have 4 fucking Hulking Giants and 0 Ouroboros from packs.
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>>176150674
You mean 0, unless you want to call Dragon control, in which case it is 1.
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>>176150204
They're not repairing or reviving shit. In this expansion exactly one lego from each class has been garbage. The only defense you have is that it "maybe" opens up for future design, but even that is a moot point when the only thing they've done is switch a card from gold to legendary.

>>176150462
Yes, you keep playing c.sword friend. I'll be over here playing midsword with twice the winrate.
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how does this game differ from granblue fantasy if they have the exact same characters?
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>>176150417
Thanks anon i will do some tests
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>>176150780
this is a card game, gbf is slots
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>>176150780
It's a card game you autist
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>>176150204
>Twice the amount of legendaries
>Twice the chance of me getting shit I don't want for mediocre vial costs and having to buy more shitty packs for vials to get the legendary I DO want

Nah, fuck off Cygames. We don't like you anymore here.
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>>176150772
Haven and dragon both got two usable legos
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>>176150550
>win the game card
>could be a bronze
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>>176136871
>Sleeves from older seasons will be avaible once again for a limited time!
DING DONG
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>>176150986
I'm not sure about haven. I don't see Aegis good and Jeanne is barely useable in a deck that is farmed by shadow and dragon right now.
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>>176150780
>if they have the exact same characters
They don't.
>how does this game differ from granblue fantasy
Both games steal characters from Rage of Bahamut, but Shadowverse completely rips them alongside RoB's universe, what is used for the cards, while the leaders are from a separate universe.
Granblue is set on a completely different universe and takes characters from RoB only in appearance and name.
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>>176146407
>DE
>good
You hypocrites were all shittiing on it back then.
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How about 4 legendary per craft per expansion?
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>>176150720
If you are going 2nd / have to use Resent it's one of the only way to get 6 necro until turn 6 also great way to waste mana since you don't have a turn 5. You win almost 100% after turn 6 if you have Breath->Khawy followup (Unless nec has 2x eachtar or Spec+evolve+mimi+coco+eacht)

cuz this deck is practically running 7 minions only (Lyrial/Uni/Khaiza) you need something to spam early

(and you need to save ur Grimnir, even if 4/5 evolve trade sounds good early, you can Khawy a Eachtar/Ouro/etc to heal back up if you are paying attention and not going below 11~)
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>>176149160
They did, we complained around the time they said every expansion going forward would have 2 legendaries per craft.
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>>176151102
are you fucking kidding me
dark jeanne is the best card haven has gotten in a long time
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>>176151137
why not 100?
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>>176151102
People are at least able to play aegis decks with some reasonable level of success. It's not exactly t1 but it's still competitive enough. The same can't be said for the really bad cards.
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>>176151106
>Everyone is the same person
Nope. I thought DE was fine considering it had 4-5 T1 decks.

Objectively it was healthier than this current meta.
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How many legendary cards are there per expansion? 8?
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When you think youre bad at this game, remember this retard that left a 5/5 on my board when he was at 9 hp
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>>176150550
>>176150561
>7 crafts get an eachtar as a gold

>>176150737
Ginger's going to be good going forward. It's already good as a turn count cap win con with a better board presence than shift.

>>176150772
Mid shadow was completely fucking dead. They couldn't generate enough bodies, they couldn't keep bodies on the board and if they tried they couldn't do anything but trade at a loss until their hand gassed out and they died.
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>>176151267
Please, everyone was playing forest in master, and everyone was playing elana/Dshit outside of master.
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>>176151001
>literally Inferno Dragon
>not Bronze
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>>176151267
>it had 4-5 T1 decks.
It had 3. PtP, Mid Sword and Elana.
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>>176151295
Usually 1 per class and 2 Neutrals, but ToG had 2 per class as well.
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I need a concession. Please, help a fellow anon out!

58008
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>>176151320
Mid-shadow is bonkers because of a lot of things, mainly catacomb. Or do you think Eachtar is solely responsible for reviving it? Don't make me laugh.

Seriously, take your shilling elsewhere. No one is going to agree with you that doubling the amount of legendaries is a good thing.
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>>176151320
>Ginger's going to be good going forward
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>>176151267
If you consider forest decks 3 decks shadow have 4 decks Aggro,Mid range,Atomy,Neph
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>>176150486
>Daria and Roach were not nerfed in previous xpac
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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>>176151001
I said it could've been gold.
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>>176151302
Where can I find your blog? I'd love to subscribe and see what more wacky situations you end up in when playing [tier 1 deck] versus [tier 1 deck]. That's so cool, they played aggressively and got punished? We've got the next Trolden on our hands.
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>>176151001
Nobody is getting even meme-tier wr with anomaly

>>176151137
12 golds and 3ish legos would give them a lot of room for supporting most of a classes decks
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>>176151346
>>176151374
Game-AI listed the T1 decks as
>Tempo Forest
>DShift
>Elana/Seraph
>Mid Sword

You can literally go on the site and check through the old posts right now.
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>>176151446
Last words: If the enemy uses a board clear ressurect all destroyed monsters
Banish Words : If the enemy uses a board clear ressurect all destroyed monsters
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>>176151446
bahamut was a fucking mistake
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This was a weird fucking run full of corner cases.
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>>176151446
>Call ginger bad
>Posts a pic of a card that doesn't interact with a ginger deck in any way
???
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>>176151603
>Banish Words
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>>176151374
Elf had 2 T1 decks in DE, tempo and ptp. Storm Haven was the T1 deck, while Elana and Seraph was T2 thanks to D-shift
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>>176151593
If you consider d-shift tier 1....
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>>176142302
Make a neutral Kaguya amulet-like spell that cuts any follower's attack by 3/4th's or something rounded down. Bam, congrats on having an invincible carrot that could only do 2 damage at a time.
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>>176151739
The Japs and tournament winners did, not me. I'm just posting game-ai analytics.
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>>176151739
Shut the fuck up, you literally joined in RoB so what the fuck do you know?
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>>176151137
why so many legs if there's only going to be 2~3 decks being played?
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>>176151823
>>176151818
If you consider d-sfhit tier 1 a HAven deck with 90% of the banish effects can be tier 1 too
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>>176150417
Isn't it a huge tempo loss if the ledger summons something that isn't a lich?
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>>176151603
>Banish Words
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>>176151883
3-5+ decks per craft
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>>176151912
So you disagree with the Jap masters and tournament community. Okay, thanks for voicing your opinion.
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>>176151707
What?
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>>176151883
So you can have fun experimenting the first week before the netdeckers waste their dust to craft the best new deck.
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>>176151681
And yet again a 5-0 prize pack yields an animu I didn't have yet.
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>>176152286
Animated cards - free bonus dust.
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>Literally only get matched against Haven when I'm playing a deck countered by it

It's really epic how they're not even trying to be subtle.
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>Vamp fortress, killer devil, vamp fortess+gaze
>Slug it out with stolen life
Not today wallet nigger!

>>176152121
The two main ginger decks drop zeus+gilgamesh for otk storm dmg or reina-bombarder to boost a 8-12pp dshift for lethal. It's all from hand.
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>>176152286
Also a Fairy Princess. But who cares?
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>>176148269
>>176148419
>>176148376
sry blood 2nd

*But before I start I recommend going Aggro Vampire for rank climbing (At least before Master) because they both have similar winrate, and it has much faster games

similar to Parachan list, but this player/and I am running -1 soul and +1 queen for surprise queen+claw nuke


https://pbs-h2.twimg.com/media/C_Nb_93VYAA_sHZ.jpg
This is another trending kys vamp, but somoene said it streaks really strongly or really weakly (Cuz only 1 Belph), weaker vs Control deck but stronger vs Nec

>>176151950

Countdown (2)
At the end of your turn, put a random Shadowcraft follower that costs less than your total number of play point orbs from your deck into play. Then destroy that follower.

if you play before turn 6, you will ALWAYS play a lich because it's the only shadow minion.

Khawy is 7, this summons anything -1 your max mana, so unless you play at turn 7 (8 mana and 1 countdown) it won't summon anything else.

You can use this to your advantage
For example, if you have used a Ledger already, and have a Lich in your hand, you know there is only 1 lich left in deck (-2 ledger -1 hand). Then play Ledger turn 7 against dragon maybe, it will summon a lich, then at turn 8 it will summon Khawy
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people who bm emote are begging to be roped
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How long until we get some new backgrounds? cant be that hard to cgi a playing field.
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I just want these fucking nerfs to be announced. I haven't Disenchanted anything since ToG came out. That and the meta is stale as fuck.
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>2 hours later
>still not finished with my win 6 ranked daily
remove shadow players from existence
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>>176138642
If she was 8 PP, I could see something like this working as support

7 pp
At the start of your next turn, your board will be returned to the state it was at the end of the turn in which you played this card.

Subtract 0 from the cost of this card.
Spellboost: Subtract 1 more.

could work.

Too slow at 9 though.
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>>176152692
They did
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>>176152784
Just can do those pretty easily with Storm Haven and KYS Blood. You are doing something wrong.
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>>176152489
Oh I see, only shadowcraft followers
That explains what happened to my soulsquasher when I tried it out
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>>176152904
If I wanted to play aggro decks then I'd just play shadow instead.
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>>176152996
>storm haven and kys blood are aggro decks
easiest bait of my life
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hey flip flappers was good
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>>176152996
Storm is barely aggro though. It really is more of a midrange hybrid deck. Trying to race in any other aggro deck as Storm haven will guarantee a loss.
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>>176152442
>zeus+gilgamesh for otk storm dmg

How do you bypass the "can't attack leader" part?
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>1 slot filled on board
>easy win if I can pull Khway with Nep
>pulls everything but Khway
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>>176148459
you can play anything in your rank nerd.
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>>176148419
This aggro royal (Sword) replaces Trooper x3 with Frog, do not rely on frog, do not mulligan for frog, it's just a surprise card.

I and the creator both had very good results (14 winstreak master 100th rank)

This is if you want midranged, most standard and successful Bismark Royal
http://game-ai.jp/30166/
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>>176138642
3PP legendary
Fanfare: Add Subtract 0 from the cost of this card.
Spellboost: Subtract 1 more; to all Runecraft cards in your hand that did not already have this effect.
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Hey guys, I'm clinically retarded with an IQ of about 50 and barely know how to put cards on the board. I also wet myself every other night but that's not important.

Are there any crafts I can play in Shadowverse other than Dragon?
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>>176153236
>for 3PP
Good luck with that.
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Why don't my opponents just play around my cards? It's like they want to lose or something.
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>>176153296
Shadow
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>>176149362
ITS LIKE HECTOR BUT YOU NEED A EVO hector is power creep so please delet
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>>176153296
Yes, you can play any deck in SV but combo decks with that level of brain power.
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>>176153385
Epic!
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>>176153123
>>176153163
feminine penis is still a penis and aggressive control is still aggro?
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>>176153414
Eachtar and Oro should have both have their effects tied to being evolved.
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>>176153296
Literally any deck
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>>176153236
Seems a bit clunky.

Would

5pp
Reduce the cost of the next Runecraft card you play by 2

Fanfare: Add Subtract 0 from the cost of this card.
Spellboost: Subtract 1 more

be OP?
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>>176153597
that would make them ultimately shit
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>>176153597
Fine but then Eachtar has to give storm
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>>176153790
Bro.
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>>176153790
Fine but then make him cost 10.
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>>176153880
And raise shadow cost.
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>>176153880
Fine but then he has to banish the top 5 cards on my opponent's deck.
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>>176153820
Yeah, so shut up.
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>>176153597
>Oro should have both have their effects tied to being evolved
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/171283327/#171288751
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>>176153969
in retrospect that version would have been a lot healthier for the game
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>>176153597
Ouro just needs not to heal. Like who the fuck thought that was a good idea?
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>>176154056
It would've been completely unplayable trash though.
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Even though I won, I'm still pissed. Fuck that amulet.
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>>176154125
Just banish it bro.
Oh wait, WE have the best banish.
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>>176153197
Thank you for posting your decks!
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>>176154120
Just use Olivia instead of an extra Isra.
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>>176154093
Fits the theme

Birth - life
Death - damage
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I can't get out of A
I go up, down, up, down
I don't make any more progress
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>>176153597
oh why hello intern kun seems like your autistic idea didnt pass
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>>176154351
Git Gud record your last 6 games and post here
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>>176154278
You just wouldn't play Oro full stop. The whole point of the card is to grind out/slow burn your opponent down.
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>>176153969
Card reveal period is just the best isn't it
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>>176154351
I got something for you to go up and down on, if you catch my drift.
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>>176154460
Not sure I get it
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>>176154351
>>176154395
Same exact issue, barely secured myself in A2 just now
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>>176154578
>>176154351
How many total wins do you have at this point?
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>>176154634
Total wins, 259
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>>176149120
And guess what, no one bought DE packs except havenshits because no one else got anything of any worth in DE.
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>>176154706
You're still good.
I'm at AA1 with 660~ wins.
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>>176154578
>>176154351
Anon if i made masters with fucking blood everyone can get it
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>>176154774
>>176154634
>tfw AA2 with 900 wins
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>>176154430
That ouro reveal and the meltdown afterwards was pure gold
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>>176154863
Dumb frogposter.
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>>176154430
I can't wait until the next round of cards come up.
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>Curve out oriented towards a faster climb than board presence
>Gonna bust a nut t8 just one turn before he vomits grimnir/lightning blast/bahamuts/rahab-sibyl/luci/etc. as far as the eye can see
>Sahaquiel's play sound is Omae wa mou shinderu for some bizarre reason
>Double ward
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3kdyR2deJM&feature=youtu.be&t=54s
>Don't top deck a popper
>Bakamut
>Don't topdeck arriet
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_GlMUx5XXQ
God...

>>176153385
>Play around and they have it
>Lose
>Play around and they don't have it
>Lose
>Don't play around it and they have it
>Lose
>Don't play around it and they don't have it
>Maybe win

>>176154125
Just execute it bro :^)
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>>176153123
They are, D0.
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>>176154814
Blood just isn't good enough to climb to masters with right now.
What do you play? Aggro?
Gets shat on by Shadow and Dragon more often than not.
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>>176154992
They aren't, retard. If you have aggressive cards alongside control tools, you are midrange/tempo. It's not about the turn they aim to finish the game.
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>>176155257
Sure bro, cudgel is a control tool.
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>>176154430
Now that I think about it, Oro would be pretty balanced if it had its heal locked to evolve.
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>>176155446
But then you wouldn't wanna kill yourself everytime you have to kill it
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>>176154187
I would post the other decks but gotta go, rip

when it comes to storm haven there's two kinds, dragon counter and nec counter. This one is more Dragon counter based (Hence 2x Dance)

Mainyu/Mistcaller?MistMage? Is a hot debate topic in Japan at the moment, Mainyu is great vs elf blood but not really useful vs others, evolution point cannot be wasted on mainyu and 2/2 antimagic is not useful. Mist Mage can make your Tiger 4/4 antimagic, which make it breath immune from Dragon, forcing him to trade evolution point for it, or a 3/5 (Godsteel) evolution 5/7 cannot be killed by a Rahab/Sybil

Lion is also a debatable topic, Lion is very good for getting the field, but it is not good at taking the field after the first AOE. Some like it just because of how valueble 2 damage is, but this player took it out because he feels it doesn't do anything after you remove the field the enemy can just death breath and the 4/5 is useless (No stat gain)

vs Dragon, you need to force his evolutions so pressure him with evolutions and damage

However the game is in terrible place so it's most likely that you win if you are starting 1st and lose starting 2nd 80% of the time

http://imgur.com/a/qwFSZ

This is the trending storm aegis / storm grail deck that has won tournaments, point of 1st deck is to play out like a normal storm, pressure the dragon into using his lightning blast, then you can drop your Aegis (Aegis vs Dragon is almost 85% winrate if Aegis is on field)

2nd one is very strong, no one expects the 2 health banish combo with Garura, and the game plan is similar to the 1st deck (Pressure lightning then Grail), except that it's much stronger earlier, but easier to counter
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>>176155202
Played with this. I have mid-range shadow but my WR with that deck sucks
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>>176155328
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>>176155257
That makes no sense. Do you seriously believe that having cards like Hungering Horde and Diabolic Drain automatically disable you to be Aggro?
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>>176155446
>It heals, it burns, it recycles itself
You could leave it as is if it were a 9/10 cost card.
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>>176155328
Yes?
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>>176154957
Do you have an ambush list? I want to meme with it one last time before I vial these useless Rogue's Creeds I pulled.
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>>176155618
Won't do much.
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>>176155642
>>176155584
Every single Haven deck ever uses them, retards. There can be no Haven aggro then.
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>>176154957
>jojoshitter blogposting
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>>176155446
Oro doesn't need the heal at all.
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>>176155570
curve is bad
baphomet useless
>>>>>mastema
allround it's trying to be three things at once
control/bat/aggro
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>>176155570
Hey I saw your deck around here a couple of days ago and I hadevery card needed for it, but I cant seem to get out of D3 Any pointers or mulligan tips?
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>>176155570
Cheers, looks interesting
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>>176155706
stops the zell combo. make ouro 9 and zell only usable on dragoncraft followers. nerf grimnir at the same time and toss out some shadow nerfs and the game is saved until everyone starts playing forest again instead
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>>176155891
They'll just run Wyvern Cavalier
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>>176155328
I genuinely fail to see where you're going. Cudgel is a good card, that's why it's in every deck. Has nothing to do with whether Haven can do aggro or not.

Storm Haven is not an aggro deck btw. It plays very midrangey, with early game priority being to take the board and then to end with a burst on turns 6-8.
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>>176155812
>D3
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Not even mad
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>>176155617
No, that just doesn't classify you as pure aggro. If you can play removal, heal and/or draw, while controling the board to stop other aggro decks, even if your decks has a lot of aggressive cards, you are playing a hybrid.
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Aggro-control_deck
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Midrange_deck
>Aggro-control decks are also known as "tempo" decks
>Midrange decks are aggressive decks that flip the standard aggro-control deck archetype

>>176155748
Exactly, there is no Aggro Haven. You can play Aggro Haven if you try hard enough, but that is not what Storm Haven or Kys Blood are.
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I fucking love Limil's Way in snek decks
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>>176155202

if you want to rank up play

A. a 55% winrate deck with long gametime (Dragon/Neph)

B. 51~52% winrate aggro deck that you can spam (Shadow/Blood/Sword)

Aggro Blood isn't actually that bad to rank up with, I'd actually rank it 5th most efficient just because it is about 51~52% winrate with one of the fastest games
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>>176155978
if it requires an extra turn to set up a combo that's good enough for me. it telegraphs what they want to do so you can play a ward with more than 4 hp to counter it or at the very least make them waste the 3 damage from ouro on the ward instead of your face. making their 13 damage combo go down to 8 is a gigantic nerf and it also makes it so they can't play oracle to draw and then ouro on the same turn without the cavalier either.
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>>176153168
Shift. Has the benefit of you basically can't ward it
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>>176155978
That's one more card they need to draw, and gives you a clear early warning that the combo is now possible.
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>>176155812
>to get out of D3
I would make fun of you but I bet there are a metric ton of smurfs and sandbaggers in low rank now since the meta is so shitty.
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>>176154430
none of us knew about the balanced zell/ouro bullshit, what a time.
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>[Angry Lecia noises]
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>>176155807
So what would run you for aggro blood if you don't have the legends for vengeance blood?
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>>176156048
He has balls for running that in the land of T6 balanced dragon of boardclears
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>>176156359
A ton of people thought Zell was bullshit as soon as he got revealed
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>>176156239
Drawing Cavalier, Zell, Ouro is the same as drawing Saha, Zell, Baha
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>>176154351
Stop listening to people who advocate gimping yourself.
If you can make shadow or dragon, do it.
If you can make midrange sword, kys blood, or storm haven, do it.
I got to AA2 with sword and kys blood. When that stopped working, I just made midrange shadow and went on long ass 10+ game streaks into masters...and that was without realizing that not running howl was retarded.
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>>176155807
Don't say bad things about my MASTERna and the copy master
>>176155812
Mulligan for 1pps against everyone, Vampy is not that important if you don't have Masterna in Hand and is t2 against everything but haven,sword,dragon,,haven,shadow and forest drop baphomet.
If you manage to have 1pp drop,Horde and Veight in Hand keep it to deal with grimmir.
you DON'T need to evolve Masterna shadow/dragon players can't kill her on curveunless they tech lurching corpse, Dragon can't kill Masterna t5 if they don't ramped they will try to use 2 followers to kill or light blast so you just got more 1 free to turn to kill face.

Tldr: have a good curve and sometimes you can lost tempo just to throw 2 masternas t7
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>>176156359
People did talk about OuroZell in that very same thread. The problem is that that version of Ouro was so trash that it wasn't even worth giving a fuck about the combo.
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I haven't played this shit for like 2 months and I used to cuck idiots using Seraph

is Aegis any good or at least at the same level as Seraph was?
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>>176156632
Slow, but just as effective as seraph
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>>176156632
A little worse because the meta sped up so much. You absolutely shit on people that can't nut in time though.
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>>176156632
Wait for the nerfs. Nothing else is viable other than Shadow and Dragon. The meta has never been so shit.
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>>176156632
It's like Seraph but it doesn't get fucked by banishes and you don't have to run kuso cards like Healing Prayer so it doesn't brick as much.
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>>176156485
>dragon 8 mana while vamp is 7 mana
something is wrong here...

>>176156398
https://shadowverse.gamewith.jp/article/show/33815

this is probably the cheapest and the fastest aggro vamp deck

kys blood has better winrate because it can destroy dragons with the right mulligan, but this will do
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>>176156632
Aegis stands as the guardian of the meta atm

She has shit winrate vs every other class EXCEPT for Midrange Shadow and Dragon. She destroys both but gets raped by other classes.
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>>176156632
It's easy to win with Aegis.
Other people playing aegis must be doing it wrong. Literally all you have to do is stall until you get to drop test of strength and then aegis the turn after.

Haven has so many tools to do that now.
Blackened Scripture
Cudgel evolve
Tribunal
Iron Maiden
Themis Decree
Death Sentence
Lion evolve

Not to mention the sick healing + card draws you can give yourself. You can literally banish/destroy everything the enemy puts on its board every turn.
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>opponent wins if they draw Cerb, Howl or Eachtar
>mfw he doesn't draw it
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>>176157038
Aegis doesn't beat Dragon, you retard. By turn 9 you have been hit by 5 Storm Bahamuts already. Also, nothing does consistently well against Shadow.
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Should I try opening packs for more Legendaries or should I just start saving. Almost 2k gold in reserve.
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>>176156714
>>176156754
>>176156865
>>176157038
>>176157071

Thanks, anyone has a list? the gamepress site is broken

Also, do I need to craft the 3rd one?
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>>176157038
Not true at all. If this was true Aegis would be played a lot, but people have already started giving up on it for Storm Haven.
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>>176157038
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>>176157257
3x of every board clear and removal
2x aegis
some healing maybe
there u go
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Just wanted to post an anime girl before heading to bed. Keep being weeb degenerates.
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>>176157280
Most haven players I see with aegis don't even use iron maiden.
I don't understand how so many people don't realize how good the card is at stalling.
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>>176156919
Alright, I'll give that a try. The Mastema version has been failing me a lot lately.
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>>176157421
Thanks HSbro.
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>>176157421
Sleep snug protectoress-chan
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>>176157147
First turn Aegis has 58% winrate vs Dragon though?? (54% favorable overall)

53% against Nec, the only reason Bishop is doing bad is because it's shit winrate vs other classes

>>176157389
>>176157280
search the correct decks lmao
almost every master 3000+ player are using the ZeleShop (Zele is the guy's IGN) which is Storm haven with Moon and Aegis combined
There's no reason to play pure storm or aegis
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>>176157421
This anime girl can protect my dick, if you know what I mean
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>he still plays shadowverse
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>>176157253
Would Open more 10 packs and start to save
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>>176157604
please show me what stats you're looking at
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>>176157442
Also how it loves to drop shit into judge/cuckgel/BLACKED/Lion range
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What happens if the next expansion is even more unbalanced than this?
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>>176157604
>almost every master 3000+ player are using the ZeleShop (Zele is the guy's IGN) which is Storm haven with Moon and Aegis combined
Post the list. I've never seen this.
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>>176146549
Is Hearthstone really that bad? I was getting the impression that it's been the most balanced in their current meta in a while.
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>>176157710
I mean I know pull-rates for Legendaries aren't great but I'm missing 3x almost all the "meta" legendaries.
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>>176157903
Like what, a single craft making up 50% of ladder?

Was there ever a CCG where this happened?
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What happened?
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>>176157914
The meta is pretty balanced but the game is shit.
take a look at the tourny follower won 8-10 games
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>>176158091
Rage quit.
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>>176157909
force lightning blast turn 9 -> aegis up = win

prayer>pinion always

>>176157735
I am capping them from nico stream from a pro in team SVH (hence why quality is shit)
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>>176157903
I'd cut my losses and drop it. I can't see how they could fuck it up more though, unless they make dshit a 60% WR deck.
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>>176157914
>balanced
It's balanced the same way Mario Party is balanced, except the person stealing your star is a bming hunter who just needs to rub two brain cells together and play on-curve.
>Oh, what's that? Your rogue stole Tirion? Epic story I can tell my friends, bro! xd
That's just one of my gripes with the game. Holy fuck hearthstone is such a fucking dumpster fire. Only took a day with sv to realize I was switching games.
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>>176157412
Just searching around it seems all the Aegis variants also require 3 Dark Jeanne

I'm not sure if I want to drop 10k vials if it ends up being a meme
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>>176158163
Haha, oh wow. Happened 2 times in a row so I though there was a connectivity issue. Guess it was just 2 dragon players being hella salty.
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>>176157914
Pretty balanced right now, but the game still costs two limbs to get into.
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>>176158032
Magic the gathering 2 weeks ago
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>>176158175
oh and goal is to burn your evolution as much as possible (Not just crudgel/lion) vs Dragon and force the Dragon's Evolutions

If you use ur storms well you will be able to cap out on his evolutions hence protect urself from zel
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>>176158406
>>176158279
how balanced is it though? I mean, shit expansions like the previous ones were 'balanced' too, but it was only 3 decks everytime

I heard warlock is ded, is that the only ded class atm or is everyone huntard/warrior
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>>176158175
I don't get the StormAegis. If you're going to throw 9-10 drops into your mid-range deck wouldn't Zeus make more sense as your finisher?
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>>176157914
You don't get it, the only people that call it balanced are HS expats, to everyone else the game is still a RNGfucky, swingy mess.
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>>176157421
Why do all haven girls dress so slutty? This isn't a coincidence.
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>>176158621
Zeus can die.
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>>176158656
It''s a test whether you can withstand the temptation.
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>>176158621
The idea is that if you can't win turn 7-8, you won't win turn 9 onwards either because your opponent is controlling you hard or killed you already

And if he's control, aegis shits on him
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>>176158597
>but it was only 3 decks everytime
Same as it ever was.
I think quest rogue and quest mage are the current cancer, with quest mage literally being d-shift.
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>>176158785
Yeah, I saw that they copied D-shift.
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>>176158621
Because no matter how much damage you throw at the dragon, you CANNOT (cannot) burn him down to 0 with most storm decks, and a 5 damage from Zeus will not change that

Your goal is to pressure the shit out of the Dragon and bring it to turn9, force the dragon to Ligthning blast (He doesn't do anything), then you can drop Aegis safetly

Also 10 mana and 9 mana is a big difference in the current meta (8~10 damage difference)
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>>176157903
It's going to. Rune's gonna swing back hard. Discard and pendant are very close to having swole decks. Ambush just needs some more tempo gain that works with it to contest the board so it doesn't get run over by t7 for its lethal. Count haven is poised to dominate once it gets more follower+amulet, cheaper manifestation, and more high value high turncount low cost amulets. We may also see a candelabra tempo list if we get more 2/3t amulets to build up and pop t5/6

>>176158091
>>176158327
He said fuck you, you nigger faggot cock sucking phimosis dicked cuckold then hit close all apps on his phone and shoved it in his pocket before storming off in a rage to find some homeless man to beat up.
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>>176157903
>implying it won't
If it's Rune or Haven next time, i'm outtie for good. Fucking cancercrafts.
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>>176158774
>>176158837
Hmm, well I have 3 Aegis so I'll give it a try I guess.
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How come I never see anyone use Luminous Mage? She looks like a decent card.
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>>176158834
They copied it and made it more retarded. Imagine if d-shift could pull fucking themis or salamander.
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>5k more followers within 5 days needed to get more packs.

Will we make it? I'm not optimistic.
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>>176158936
It's not that good
Anon claims that it shits on dragon, but don't come here whining when it doesn't work out

Aegis is only good if you have an evolve for him
And if you have an evolve turn 9 you play storm wrong
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>>176158834
>>176158963
What does it do?
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>>176158597
>HS
>balanced

Enjoy getting obliterated by 5/5 boars
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>>176158936
It has a pretty high learning curve according to the Japanese player, you need to waste your evolution to trade his evolutions (No evlution= no 13 damage to face), etc
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>>176158950
Every Sword deck uses it. It's just that you don't see Sword being played at all.
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>>176158950
D3?
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Should I liquefy? I kinda want to get ancient elf, or should I just be patient and keep buying standard packs
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>>176159036
Even shilling in 2 separate games couldn't get people to notice that shitty anime.
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>>176159082
That deck isn't even half as good or pervasive as midshadow
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>>176159153
Be patient. If you need to do Forest dailies, there's a cheap aggro Forest list out there that runs Sukuna.
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>>176159153
Just wait. Forest sucks now anyways.
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>>176159153
STOP VIALING GOOD CARDS. PLS DON'T DO IT STOP VIALING GOOD CARDS STOP DOING THIS DON'T VIAL GOOD CARDS
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>>176159153
but you have a deepwood anon...
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>>176159153
If you're not shit at Take Two, you should use that to get Standard packs instead.

>Vialing Dork
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>>176159153
Don't waste your pack gold trying to pull specific standard legends. Forest is awful in this meta anyway, and you can build an aggro/tempo deck without her.
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>>176159153
>vialing waifus
no!!
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>>176159153
>Dusting Serpent/Forte when you have Pascale

?
?
?
also just DE anomaly
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Date masamune and angel crusher are literally the only two cards you've got there that are free dust.
Everything else has a place somewhere. Grea might also be safe to dust, seeing as the lesbian duo was powercrept by sky milf.
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>>176159153
Vial your anomaly instead
That'll make your forest decks a lot better
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>>176159140
A0, for some reason the few sword decks I see look like they came from vanilla or something
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Jesus christ nep bricks so often
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>>176159153
>Great
Squasher
Rahab
Forte
Maelstrom genesis

>Solid
angel crusher
Balor
Grea

Stop trying to fucking vial shit and grind arena
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>>176159604
Every mid-sword deck has been running Luminous since the set came out. If they don't run her it's probably some ultra-budget banner shit or frog.
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>>176159643
are you playing based on the deck I posted? Need some tips?
Ask me questions if you want
If you are getting shat by stormhaven/blood it's okay, but you should be destroying dragon/midnec
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>>176159708
>grinding arena unless you consistently get 3 or more wins
and even then you mostly get standard packs from it
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>>176159708
In what universe are Angel Crusher and Grea solid? Angel Crusher? Really??
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>>176159153
Vial Anomaly. That shit is garbage. Keep Soulsquasher, Rahab, Forte, Genesis, Serpent.
You can also vial Pascale since she is only played on meme decks. Dirt doesn't play her anymore.
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>>176159102
It still sounds like you'd be better off playing full Aegis or full storm, but if it's working for him I guess he knows better.
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>>176159153
You can vial Date(replace by Scyther), Angel Crusher, Balor and Grea. Keep the rest.
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>>176159708
>grind arena
>bad player so always go 1-4/2-3
t-thanks
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>>176159864
I've got memed on by Angel Crusher once by a Discard Dragon deck. Felt bad man
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>>176159153
>animated Anomaly sitting there
Uh, vial that maybe? They made it shit on purpose so it's not getting any support.
>>
>>176159643
What list are you running? I have almost no problems with bricking.
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>>176159864
Angel crusher is okay in discard dragon and a meme version of ptp forest where you stock up on faeries in your hand.
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>>176159643
Stop playing memes and go back to 2378.
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>>176159281
>>176159291
>>176159341
>>176159343
>>176159347
>>176159405
>>176159417
>>176159423
>>176159450
Thanks anons, I started a few days ago and this is mine, anything i should add/remove? I do own sukuna but dont really understand how she works
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>>176160078
That would actually work just fine for dailies, especially if you add in Grimnirs for the Ivy lelbombs.
>>
>tfw it takes so fucking long to get enough vials to craft your dream deck
>>
>>176159883
full Aegis is just bad since you only sometimes win going 1st and lose every going 2nd matchup

Storm is okay, but that deck is literally just storm but with Aegis (And 3 more cards difference), giving you advantage vs Dragon matchups. Especially because Dragons ramp so fast and they know about Bishop's Jeanne tricks so Master Dragons know how to counter it

I am hearing good things about the grail deck below too tho
>>
>still no prebuilt deck set 2s with bahamut x tempest

FUCKING WHEN WHAT THE HELL
>>
>>176160078
Liza
Wind God
Grimnir

if you have them
and that card that returns 1 of your card and 1 of enemy's if you don't have ancient elf
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>>176157038
>Chemofags at it again
Stop touting yourselves as savrious of the meta when you're not fixing anything and actually play a deck that is almost as frustrating get matched against
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>>176159826
No but I scrolled up and I'll give it a try

>>176160023
>>176160069
Using this right now, been bouncing between AA1 and AA2 all afternoon and can't seem to go positive
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Can I play dragon now? 10k vials left over.
idk if I want to wait until nerfs or not because what if they hit LB and zell? Will saha ramp still be good after that?
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>>176160424
here are my legos
what should I invest in if anything at all
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>>176160424
>the tough life and decision-making lf the bandwagoner
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>>176160196
>started playing in DE
>play nothing but sub 10k vial decks like bannermeme and Storm Haven
>eventually accumulate enough shit for every other expensive deck
>sitting on 25k vials ready for anything spicy
>>
need concede pls
41840
>>
>>176160078
That's actually a pretty solid start, just drop spellbomb. This is what I run for aggro. You can just sub in Grimnir for AE for now. Just vial that animated anomaly or some of the shit golds mentioned by >>176159897. Grimnir is a staple in basically every deck at this point and is 100% safe to craft.
>>
>literally
>EVERY
>SINGLE
>CRAFT
>has a sub 50% winrate going 2nd, even Shadow
What the fuck happened?
How did we go from RoB "go 1st, lose" to ToG "go 2nd, lose"?
The only decks that liked going 1st in RoB were aggro Shadow/Blood and maybe mirrors like Seraph and Nep.
>>
>still only 45k followers on https://twitter.com/baha_virginsoul
>we won't even get 10 packs

ffs
>>
Judgment of the weaks - Neutral
2pp spell
Destroy a random 2pp follower in the enemy field
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>>176159897
Grea's great until you fill out your library and then she's still a strong niche choice

>>176159864
Crusher's good in disco. A lot of greedy decks can't answer it leaving them in range for a dragoon/zell+*
Grea's good for recovering tempo in seacraft and provides additional evo to keep your board up for simalacrum swings. Even in general Grea's still 5 rush to a target+1 board aoe.
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>>176160728
>then she's still a strong niche choice
In what? List me one deck T2 or above that would consider Grea for any reason.
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>>176160723
>weaks
Nice Englishes.
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>>176160421
yeah, give my list a try (It's literally just Tempest/Brand -> resent and pact)

the problem with tempest that a lot of Japanese pros have said was (It's still decent and some ppl use it) is that Catacomb's problem is AFTER it comes out, not before.
You need to be actively killing every 1/2/3 drop Shadow pulls out.
1/1 Stealth is annoying, but if you can kill every drop with your 2 mana spells Catacomb is weak af.
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>>176160706
>>176160078
Now to 100% more deck list.
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>this hand
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>>176160710
That's what happens when you have a deck with 60% winrate going first that is over a third of the ladder.
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>>176160196
>tfw you started in DE but only did single player stuff, never did dailies
regret
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>>176160717
are there even 100k people who play this game anymore?
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Concede pls
83078
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>>176160868
>3 Odins when Seraph is dead
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>>176160723
I don't follow

>>176160868
The wallet is thicc my cancer
>>
>>176160710
Because cards have trash stats but OP effects

>8 mana
>5/4 STORM
are they joking

>8 mana
>8/4
>3 damage / 3 heal Return
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>>176160938
3k on steam and maybe another 3k mobile only for the west.
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>>176160589
3 sibyl, saha and baha are mandatory. At least 2 ouro. You could do without a 2nd israfil, I run only with great success.
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>>176160826
Any deck you want to get rid of a x/5 ward so you can face while leaving bodies on the board. also drops multiwards in range of your weaker followers
>>
>>176160868
>3 Odins
absolute madman
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>>176161001
I'll do you if you do me
>>
>>176161001
Thanks vampy!
>>
>>176160843
Tempest may not stop early drops, but it deals with the zombie walls later. I still think running two Tempest is worth it.
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concede pls
41840
>>
Can I finish the all the solo missions with the default decks?
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>>176161486
Doubtful, some of the more recent later chapters can be brutal and bullshit, the AI will literally have a "best of all classes" deck
>>
>>176160710
You can't really stop Shadow drop from doing the 1-2-catacomb play when they go first, and Dragon doesn't care about evo points when they can just power ramp into turn 6 bahamut.
>>
>>176160909
Same. Started with a really shitty roll too because I didn't know about rerolling. Just let the account sit there and collect dust until mid RoB because I figured it was like every other mobage and I would have to grind forever or pay up to have a decent deck.
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>>176161486
No. The 8th mission is a shitcunt and many of the 9-14 missions are cuhrazee decks
>>
>>176161330
The catch is that you win 100% after turn 6
There is no way the Necro can win against Khawy -> Nep + Morde

If enemy uses breath, you can counter it with your breath, after that you can khawy, he can't eacht face and 1shot unless he wastes an evolve, then neph to heal back all up, etc

worst case scenario half your deck is removal spells, you can take out two of them at least
>>
>>176161439
I'll never understand where Jotaro's hat ends and his hair begins.
>>
>>176161439
thanks Arisa
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>>176161486
Only the first few missions.
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>>176161486
I think the highest I got with default was 7 but I couldn't progress. If you open all of your free packs you should have enough good cards to beat them.
>>
YOU GUYS SAID RAMP DRAGON WAS STRONG WTF WHY DID I BELIEVE YOU??
>>
>>176161632
They're actually the same thing.
>>
Even Haven can overvalue Sword nowadays since 90% of tthey followers kill 2-3 for 1.

Sword can't spawn more than Haven
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>>176161754
>lost to ramp dragon
You can't make this shit up.
>>
>Log in for dailies
>Queue into AA shadow fag
>T1 skull beast, T2 Spartoi, T3 Catacomb, T4 Orthrus, T5 Cerb, T6 Chimera/Prince

I just conceded since it was obvious he had Eachtar in hand. Maybe I'll finish my dailies later - literally lost all motivation to play this piece of shit game.
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>>176161840
Git gud.
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>>176161840
>just banish it
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>>176161773
Sword doesn't care about board, over half their deck is storm/rush/free evo.
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>>176161880
I'm too proud to play mid-shadow tho. I have the entire deck ready but I can't motivate myself to play it. Tuned into some tryhard streams like Mango and saw him play literally nothing but midshadow and ramp dragon for 4 hours.

Don't know how people do that to themselves lmao.
>>
>>176161330
Oh and the reason you need Resent/Offering is that the problem later in AA/Master comes with the Dragons, they become real fucking smart and save their Lightning Blasts, every game become 15+ minute games where you play one Morde, bait out one Blast, repeat while constantly saving yourself from 1shot OTK.

Offering will turn a Ouro into a 9/5 threat for enemy to burn his cards on, Zombie will make him burn an AOE (Saha if you are lucky), so you want to save your Zombie parties if you can.

The Master Dragon matchups become so fucking tiring since it's a long drag out matches where you go to turn 20~25s
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>>176161840
>kill skull beast with blazing breath
>put up rahab t3 after oracle
>put up sibyl and evolve
>salamander breath
>spam fervor + other shit
>lightning blast while shadowbaby is still at like 6pp
>start the infinite grimnirs, bahamuts etc.

gg
dragon wins
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That aggro sword list posted earlier is pretty fun
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>>176162224
did you do it with frogs or no frogs? it's a pretty standard deck but with frogs as a surprise.

Just don't try to play around frogs too much
>>
>>176161754
>Polyphonic Roar
>2 Olivia
>losing to Ramp
>>
>>176161754
Where's your rahab and sy?
>>
>An entire day went by
>It's the weekend
>Not even through one thread yet

I mean we're still more alive than HS, but damn what happened? Did everyone just stop posting here?
>>
She is /ourgirl/ twitch tv maddieiv ?
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>>176162529
Shit meta and everyone shitposting about dragoncucks and shadowniggers. It's a very low point for the game. It'll pick up when the nerfs are announced and when the new cards are revealed.
>>
>>176162529
That clusterfuck with the autistic dragon shitposter this morning drove away everyone with a bit of sense for the day.
>>
>>176162529
meta
>>
>>176162724
I honestly doubt nerfs will bring people back. Maybe the new expansion will drum up hype, but there's a 50/50 it'll just be another case of 1-2 classes being broken all over again.
>>
>>176161632
His hat is ripped at the back. Don't ask why.
>>
>>176162529
the meta. need cygames to come up with a balanced meta next if you want to blazing fast threads again, since then we'll have momentum from the card reveal
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this deck isn't even that good, but god damn it is invigorating

gambit cards are the best
>>
>tarnished grail in t2

alright, I hope this works out
such a memey card but a lot of fun when it works
>>
>>176163057
you should cut 1drops and replace angel of the word with devil of vengeance.
Going second and playing dov on-curve lets you get a free 6 damage to their face 9/10 times.
>>
>>176160710
Has nothing to do with each class, it's a single class that is causing the problem. Shadow is infecting the ladder right now and their winrate difference between going first and second is purely retarded.

Go look at each individual classes stats instead. You'll find that most classes it depends entirely on the matchup and some like Forest favor going 2nd in quite a few of them. Forest is one of the few decks still relying on evo cards as core components like Fariy Princess Mage and Feena.

Basically since nearly 40% of the ladder is shadow nearly everyone wants to go 1st right now so they don't get steamrolled by its bullshit.
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Die shadouniggers
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What's the best class for plinking people?
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>>176163247
I do run dov

it's mostly homebrew, but angel of the word is amazing right now and it works well with the 1 attack followers
>>
>>176162075
It's probably the slowest matchup in this meta. I hate dragon with a bloody passion but I have a lot of fun with it. Reminds me of playing old RoB dirt
I really hope they don't start running 3 lightning blasts
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>>176162335
With the frog. I doubted it at first, but he's putting in work when I get him on a good curve.
>>
For those who have played hearthstone: is Shadow worse than Shaman right now? I keep seeing a lot of comparisons and some of my friends who quit SV (temporarily I hope) cite that she's reminiscent of mid shaman or whatever.
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I liquified israfil. Good idea? How many should I keep.
>>
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Name a more useless card in the entire game
>>
>>176163610
Your friends are just HS cucks who only played SV and HS.
>>
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>>176163456
>1pp followers + space jammer
>>
Hello Shadowfriends, I need a concede please

59884
>>
>>176163604
ye, that was my thought as well, it has really good synergy with luminous as well
>>
>>176163706
3
>>
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>>176163756
Gotta run one drops, and airjammer is too good the turn after belph or soul dealer. Doesn't really whiff for me so I keep it.

Here's a mirror match. Pretty dumb.
>>
>>176163706
2 at least, but you really shouldn't be liquefying legionaries
>>
>>176163706
Are you retard
>>
>>176163456
Word I'll give ya, but you should definitely cut the one drops. Getting a live air jammer is more important to winning a shadow matchup than having a fucking 1/2 on turn one, because shadow plays a 1/2 and then a 2/2.
>>176163610
Not even comparable. Please stop talking about such a bad fucking game outside of its general.
>>
>>176163953
Triggered much? Although the response tells me all I need to know. Thanks.
>>
>>176163738
Runecraft
>>
>>176163953
>>176163756
I suppose I'll take the advice and cut the 1 drops. Suggestions on what to put in?
>>
>>176162090
Who said he plays dragon? Cuck.
>>
>>176163765
Thanks for your help again, Catarino :)
>>
Did anybody notice the master statistics shift?

Bishop rose 300% due to the mega shadow counter deck and Shadow decreased (Although still retardedly high)

Dragon rose because of this change too
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>>176163738
First Curse, also go fuck yourself, don't be mean to my wife.
>>
>>176164051
You retards literally ask questions like that like 3 times a day. I'm half convinced that you're marketers at this point, because I can't imagine a sane person spending hours of their day mulling over whether or not they need to get /svg/'s opinion on hearthstone.
>>
>>176163943
I guess so? I had 3 of them. 1 was animated. I melted the animated one.
>>
>>176163738
This isn't useless. It's a great card in Sun Haven.
>>
>>176164231
(You)

>>176164197
Yeah, I posted it earlier in the thread. Right now Shadow has a higher rate than 5 other classes COMBINED. Kind of silly.
>>
>>176164064
Hungering Horde, Vampiric Kiss.
You're also gonna want min. two Demon Commander Laura because t6 evolved Devil or t7 evolved Soul Dealer with storm is disgusting
>>
>>176164064
Hungering horde is pretty necessary against shadow.
Maybe soul dominator or a single copy of snek?
>>
>>176164246
Also is animated minthe good? I might melt her too if she'a not useful.
>>
>>176164197
What's the mega counter deck?
>>
I would actually pay real money to have an Eris alt like this.
>>
>>176163914
>>176152489
this is pretty much best writeup
>>
We just need this to make shadowverse a good game.
>>
>>176164469
>Add 3 random
blizzcuck pls leave
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>>176164469
Realize can make you create cards from the game.
>>
>>176164372
the mega counter deck is the candle aegis but it gets bad winrates vs other classes

However Bishop by nature (Crudgel and 2 pp removal) is a heavy counter to Shadow by itself, so there is a lot of Bishops (Storm isn't particularly super counter but it's decent) The Storm Grail or Storm Aegis posted on the general is the trending deck among Japanese master players for the strength vs Dragons/Shadows
>>
>have to evolve or die to the unending skelly swarm

>but if I evolve it, squasher kills my dude for free

who fucking approved this shit
>>
>>176164416
I heard they'll be releasing the school outfits as skins once all leaders get one. Just rowen, urias, and luna left now. Source was /svg/ so don't quote me on that
>>
>>176164636
make it cost 3 less mana
>>
>>176164717
hope in shadowverse restored.
>>
>>176164416
>>176164717
The next colab is Magical Girl themed.
I have high hopes for Magical Girl Vampy
>>
Consider this:

Ouroboros now discards the top card of your deck instead of dying and goes back to your hand

>or if you hate RNG

Ourobors now discards the lowest PP card in your hand instead of dying and goes back to your hand
>>
>>176164223
How dare this bitch dress up in a bikini and be happy enjoying summer when her fucking city got turned to gold because of her.

This is why we need to hang women again
>>
>>176164968
does she have the midas touch or something
>>
take two is shit desu
>>
>>176165167
ye
>>
>>176164197
Part of the reason why Shadow's winrate is going down slightly is because most games being played are now mirror matches (which will always have a 50% winrate). Its winrate versus every other class is about the same except the the Haven increase like you noted.


But remember, shadow isn't the biggest cancer of the expansion. If you say that it might hurt a pedos feelings and they deserve respect too!
>>
new:
>>176165436
>>176165436
>>176165436
>>176165436
>>176165436
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>>176164929
>discard a card from the top of the deck
So more mill for dragon? I think it makes it better for mill dragon. Rather than that when it dies put it at the top of your deck.
>>
>>176161754
>Polyphonic
>Lucifer
>Olivia
Why did you think you'd beat the better ramp list?
>>
>>176163448
Dragon, run a pendant list and zapzap muhfugga

>>176163706
you should have 3. It's a very strong heal and pressure card

>>176163738
It's great in sun haven you D-rank shitter
>>
>>176162090
>t4 sibyl
kys
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