/stsg/ - Starsector General

>still no guides in the OP
F O R S H A M E

>>176128876
thank you

>>176128945
there should be a pastebin because linking images is shit

Is there supposed to be something special about the Misery weapon from Neutrino or does it just do 1 EMP damage for shit and giggles?

>two new threads
goddamn it guys

>>176129168

>Neutrino

Could be for shits and giggles considering the mod is unbalanced as fuck. Thankfully they only have one station.

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how fast do distress beacons work?
asking for a friend

>>176129473
be careful what you wish for

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>>176129534
>no fuel
>like 2 ships in your fleet
>all those remnants
nice knowing ya

>>176129534
now you fucked up

>>176129973
just trying to do survey missions man, why did i have to run out of fuel in the designated rape zone

>>176129534
F

>>176129476
Most of the modded weapons I've found are stupidly useless like Diable. The numbers look good, but all of the weapons are utterly useless in comparison to vanilla

How do I know the game is using my GPU? Framerate is godawful.

>>176130797
It doesn't.
Its run on virtual 98 machine.

>>176132231
God please teach a newbie how to properly fight off Astral Phase Fleets when they outnumber you 3 to 1. Literally can't even pull the fleet apart here

>>176132396
>that kinetic weapon icon near broadswords that I forgot to delete
Why didn't any of you tell me...

>>176132671
Now we know the Broadswords themselves can be used as kinetic weapons.

>>176132671
I think there should be a very short tl;dr for each fighter. Like "Good against shields." for Broadsword.

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>>176132396
BTW.
Can you make it that they are more ordered?
Like top row low tech fighters to bombers
Talon/Broad/Glad/War/Kho/Pira
Middle low high/mid tech:
Claw/Thunder/Xyphos/Longbow/Dagger/Trident
Bottom tier drones
Wasp/Spark/Lux/Flash/Mining/Bore(+Term)
So its easily readable
From fighter to bombers
From Low tech to drones

>>176132565
This really needs a lot of work still just saying.

>>176133358
more or less right tho. except harpoon missiles. shit, they kill everything en masse

>>176133716
half of them dont even give any guidance

>>176132565
now make one with every single modded weapon

>>176133876
all I see is someone squatting

black market stuff is too easy to get right now. you can literally buy cruisers and shit off the BM lol

>>176133716
my nigga
>quad harpoon drovers
>Thunder fighters everywhere
>harpoons on the frigates
>shit put em on the condors too

>>176133958
everything on the market is too easy to get

>>176133958
I agree.
Either you could be able only (D) ships or the military grade ships should be really, really costly plus repercussion from illegal buying military grade ships should be severe.

>>176134019
i mean, faction is stuff is faction stuff, sure its easy to get but at least you need to grind it out a bit

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GIANT
FUCKING
DILDO

How do you properly use Enforcers. Even with unstable injectors they're slow as fuck. Is it just a matter of lurking back and going in for snipes with the burn drive?

>>176134517
I use them as long-range weapon platforms and sometimes as close support. The former with HVDs and maulers, the latter with 2 dual flaks, 2 heavy autocannons, and 1 mauler/mortar. Alternatively, 2 mortars/maulers and 1 autocannon. I don't remember which is more effective.

>>176134517
3 arbalest
2 flak
4 anni

>>176134643
But arbalest is hot garbage

Mining when? Base building when?

>>176134757
lol no it isn't

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>>176134989
>Mining when
I sure hope they make it interesting.

>>176137145
Did they make salvaging interesting? It's literally push one button/lose some machinery/take the loot.

That's strange. The variants for the Diable ships all still come with fighters, but the actual ships that you buy don't have them. Testing my Calm against the AI Calm gives the AI Calm two Wanzers as well.

>>176137430
Well, it's better than most systems (eg aim at wreck, use Salvager II, then do it for the rest of 50 wrecks), but yeah, it could use a lot of work.
I hope Alex happens to play Duskers, because that atmosphere was godly.

>>176134989
2019

>>176137145

Considering the way there is collision damage when ships hit ships it would be remiss of mining not to allow you to position your ship in some dangerous as fuck asteroid belt with chunks of rock potentially slamming into and wrecking your shit.

>>176137492
Diable variants install the Converted Hangar hullmod to give themselves wanzers, if you want more wanzers on your ship, equip that on your Calm.

>>176137647
Don't mention EVE Online mechanics in polite society ever again.

>starsector +

>Main Features
>- Balance changes
>- Overhauled bounty system
>- Vengeance fleets
>- Campaign improvements

But no new ships? What a waste

>>176138041
SS+ was split into a few modular mods a while back. the mod author will probably update the other mods (which add new ships) once we get 0.8.1a

how to increase deployment points?

>>176138639
increase battle size in settings
minimum amount of deployment points is 40% of battle size

>>176138639
Settings, the second tab has a scale up bar. I think you use to be able to change the upper limit of that scale up through modifying a line in the campaign xml but I dunno what line that is

>>176134757
The arbalest isn't very good considering a railgun does what it does but for better and less.
But since they are quite prevalent and do break shields decently fast it's a good poor mans anti shield weapon.
I personally run 2 arbalests, 1 heavy mortar, 2 flaks, and 4 annihilators on my enforcers.
It's cheap and gives them some staying power.

>>176138041
ss+ used to contain ship weapon pack, underworld and dynasector

>>176138837
That's why you change the Arbalest damage from 150 to 200.

>>176138297
>>176139371

so it's basically nothing but no-fun-allowed changes

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>Diable Avionics has great looking ships
>Every single weapon they have is shit
>All of the ships are also shit

>>176139513
once you know how to play the game, even starting from scratch becomes trivial. SS+ helps to extend the early game a bit, and make the mid / late game interesting with vengeance fleets.
>>176139549
both the Diable ships and weapons are good, they just have to be used properly.

Guys om salvage only run is player allowed to restore D ships?

>>176139806
Who cares? Game is too easy either way.

>>176134352
that's not a dildo its a stielhandgranate

>Recover a fat ass eagle cruiser
>Oh boy I can't wait to pew pew
>Enemy ships just lol 360 and fly away
>Entire encounters go on without it firing a shot
>Repeat 10 times
>Finally get into an encounter where something doesn't run away
>Enemy ship just turns around and instantly deletes me
>Goes back to business like nothing happened
Oh man, I thought flying a huge ship might be cool. Turns out everything treats you like a giant roadblock and just avoid and ignore you.

I'm enemies with Diktat so where do I buy fuel?

8.1 WHEN

I don't wanna play again until Nex is out.

>>176132231
i need to use 0.7.2 right? what about version .8?

>>176140659
this

>>176139675
Most of the Diable ships lack extreme mobility except for the Hayle (Flicker Core). The way the variants are designed you'd think they're all meant for a Wanzer carrier fleet.

I've found ok success with the magic missile and the artassault revolvers but no other weapon really stands out. Not sure how the IBIS fares against the flak cannons though flak cannons is probably better. I tried the state beam and honestly had no clue how to use it properly when graviton beam worked better for shield flux buildup.

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why

>>176140759
the state beam is one of the few diable weapons I don't find useful. recson cannons (come in small and medium variants) are very usefull for long range shield busting, and most of their missile systems are very good. also, a lot of the larger diable combat vessels come with flight decks, so make sure you're taking advantage of that as well and fit some wanzers.

>>176140659
>>176140746
soon(tm)

>>176140759
A lot of their weapons stand as intermediaries between two vanilla ones, but synergize well with the "Advanced Avionics" hullmod that raises their range and precision over time. So they have to rely on Wanzers early on for cover and distraction, and when they expended the rapid replacements they have the built-in hullmod starts to kick in.

whats the memest faction to join and why?

>>176140759
I'm a fan of the draft.
Stick a kinetic gun on the front and a bunch of point defense missiles then set it to guard a priority target and it does wonders.

>>176140724
You don't need to use 0.7.2, but that's the version where all the mods work right now, could be a month or more until 8.1 is released and the major mods start to be updated.

>>176141317
What do you mean memest?
>Trijews for high tech and lot of shekels
>Path for Jihad and snackbars
>Church for crusade
>Diktat for lobsters
Choose your poison

>>176141453
nex doesnt seem to work with 8.0 though

>>176141509
Yeah, Nex, Dyna, BRDY, and a couple of other mods will require 8.1.

>>176141476
Lobsters from space North Korea.

>Decreased amount of money gained by turning in AI cores to Tri-Tachyon, Independents, and Sindrian Diktat (2-3x base to 1.25-1.5x base)

starsector +

more like starsector + unfun

>>176141476
well, does it make a difference? after all theres no real faction features in the game other than meme ships

>>176140759
In my experience, the ibis sucks but the diable laser point defense thing is really good - better than the burst PD laser for killing missiles and almost as good as the burst PD when hitting an enemy's armor/hull.

The best PD I've seen so far though is probably some flak cannon thing that fires slowly but can take out an entire tightly knit pack of missiles with one shot. idk what it was, since it was the AI using it, but it was pretty effective.

Also make sure you set your PD lasers to alternate fire so they don't all shoot the same missiles

>>176141424
Diable ships being pretty much completely commission locked or war salvage is a pain in the ass especially with outer terminal and 99es out in the middle of nowhere. The basic merchant for Diable is also crazy stingy, I've never seen him sell anything higher than a frigate, not even a Calm or a Derecho

>>176141797
desu I never turned them into those groups anyways - always whatever faction I was trying to get more ships and stuff from (usually shadowyards, diable, ora, etc)

speaking of which, does better relations with a faction actually unlock and make available more of their ships/equipment without needing a commission or have I just been memeing myself

Anyone have a map seed where the core worlds have no nebulas in/around them at all?

A sort of civilization in the heart of wilderness thing?

>>176143085
I'm not sure if there's still bounty fleets around that use Diable ships, capturing them to repurpose would be a lot more preferable than a commission with them

>>176143414
You've been memeing yourself.

Military equipment needs reputation + commision, however, the real low-tier military stuff can be acquired with just reputation.

>>176143951
That is a SS+ feature I believe. Vanilla only does pirates and rarely faction's deserters if you are friendly with them.

>>176144156
>Military equipment needs reputation + commision
Can't you just mod this away in the savefiles?

>>176144178
Yeah I thought so. I've seen Deserters but they just end up using Hegemony shit anyways I think

>>176144330
Yes, an anon explained how to do it last thread, search that if you're interested.

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daily reminder to NOT fall for the industry meme
>streamlines gameplay so you're not setting waypoints to empty rocks a gazillion times
>no more easy money/rep from wAIfu cores because you're blowing everything up instead, even 25% difficulty salvages
>you're blowing up precious wAIfu cores and rare hullmods which is FUN
>extra d-mods on your wrecks for extra difficulty
>no longer are you annoyed that you have more money than rep and can't buy top tier ships because of wAIfu core trade because you have NEITHER money and rep now

>>176144439
>Just mod the faction files to remove commissions.
That's not really explaining it.

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what the fuck is going on, I just discovered this game.

and Im being... what is this... what is this feeling? could it be... hope was called? HOPE!?

should I get into this game? it is worth it? what can I xpect from it?

>>175883130

My bad, it was last LAST thread.

>>176145059
You have been rused.
Game is in closed beta and you can not get it without invite.

>>176144616
>lvl 43
wut

>>176144616
>extra d-mods for difficulty
>t. 5 skills in combat and above max level
animeshitters everyone

is it possible to join the luddic path?

>>176145059
7 years in development so far and the only gameplay involves making your fleet into the bigger fleet

>>176145304
And the only gameplay in every FPS is just pointing your cursor at things, right?

>>176145284
Yeah, either xml edit or just use a lot of cores. They occassionally put up bounties or something

>>176145118
Thanks a lot.

Time for surveys EVERYWHERE (without worrying over enemies).

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>>176145059
You can expect fun and addicting combat plus lots of mods for some reason

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>>176129973
>kissanime
>not at least removing the watermark so other anons can't call you out on it

>>176145059
try it out. the endless hope while waiting for updates and mods and BRDY is FUN

>>176145187
piloting your anime tier flagship is FUN

>>176146186
I didnt notice it when I saved it

I could easily go into PS and content aware fill it out, but I cant be fucked

>>176143185
It's a good thing then that I only like the diable frigates and their easy enough to salvage when I raid their patrol fleets.

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>>176146507

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>>176147150
why does a little watermark bother you so?

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>>176147273
Its not bother me.
Just excuse to post some LOGH.

>>176147476
Mod when?

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>>176147476
here, have my favorite LOGH reaction image.

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where are the anime portraits?

>>176145480
>Yeah, either xml edit
What do I need to Ctrl-F for to find those faction standings? It's a bunch of gibberish to me.

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>>176147593
Never.
>>176147627
But its not image its a gif!

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>>176147593
I think theres an /stsg/ anon working on a LOGH portrait pack

How is Starsector +?

Did it make the game actually challenging?

>>176148040
Now that's some image I haven't seen in a long time!

>>176146817
So I was wrong. 370k Deserter Bounty. Maelstrom Battlegroup, 1 Haze, 1 Storm, 1 Maelstrom, a couple of Versants, 1 Derecho, and bunch of other lower tier ships.

So it's definitely possible, just rare as shit. The Diable 370k was a lot easier compared to the Astral warp fleet at 250k though

What are the good portrait packs? I'm tired of looking at people in their mid 40s.

>>176148224
Well, search for it in the previous thread and savor the sweet sweet tears of anons complaining how it nerf most money exploits.

>>176140417

I'm convinced the eagle cruiser is just pure shit.

>>176148412
>money exploits

yeah, like wasting 2000 fuels to scan a shitty planet only to waste 500 supplies to refill your CR because of small fights with barely any loot is an exploit.

>>176148584
Well if you can't handle the heightened difficulty, don't use that mod. There is no shame in that. You can even use easy mode if needed.

>>176148340
I fielded two Dominators, a Gryphon, two Calms, one Gust, a Hayle, an Enforcer, and a Grinder class, so nothing all too special. Lost a Medusa at the very end because of a sloppy retreat order and the Maelstrom got a quick beam connect with its main gun.

Draft and 2 Vapors escaped. Recovery was Medusa, Versant, Three Gusts, a Haze, a Calm and a Storm. Pity no Maelstrom but that thing was a tank beast especially with its quintuple jump drive. Thankfully the AI is happy to just let it sit in the back instead of offensively jumping in

>>176140417
try a falcon instead with heavy blasters on it
I found a 14th battlegroup one for sale and nabbed it, christ it DESTROYS pirate ships like a chainsaw through melting butter.
Its also a solid ship against any other ships, although managing flux is a little hard, the great thing is the speed and thrusters that let you catch up to smaller ships and stop flanks.

On another note, If you want to fly a big ship just go for ships with amazing range as then hostiles cant fight you without taking damage. but you need smaller ships to stop them running away or forcing them to engage the bigger ships.

>>176148979
>tedium = difficulty

because refueling your car is so fun

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>>176148380
Power Dolls

>>176149405
a hellish expanse of uncanny valley horseshit

>>176149405
>>176149903
Maybe it's meant to be an Alien portrait pack?

>>176150137
I, for one, would welcome our new alien overlords

>>176149405
give

>>176148584
this what I like about it though. Sometimes you just come back empy handed having lost a lot of money, other times you make crazy profits.
>waste 500 supplies to refill your CR because of small fights
only deploy as many ships as you need

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>>176150536
>>176150646
http://www.fast-files.com/getfile.aspx?file=137190
Have it. No need for thanks.
Just kidding. Praise me.
Also tossed separate LOGH portrait mod.

Is it possible to make it so specific portraits appear for specific factions only?

>>176152091
Yes.
LoGH alliance show only for Indy and Perseans, Imperial for Diktat and Hegemony
Power Dolls show for all excluding pirates.

Sooo, is there a crack for this game?

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>>176153135
Im a newfag anon just trying to figure how to make this shit work too.

right now just reading the igg comments...
sad!
;_;

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>>176153135

>>176153282
Thank you
>>176153251
>igg comments
Igg what?

UPDATE BLACKROCK RIGHT NOW NOW NOW

So, extra ECM% apparently caps out at -10% enemy range if the screenpop up is indicating properly. I'm at +42% versus 0 and it's the same as 30% versus 0

>>176153473
igg games

but I will try what tis anon said >>176153282
I dont even know what JBE was, but doesnt look that hard

>>176153884
Skills can raise it to -25%.

Don't you even read the skill descriptions?

>>176153884
I believe theres a skill that extends the bonus to ECM and coordinated maneuvers. Leadership feels like a late bloomer, besides the -50 maintenance the rest isn't really good until you get the extend and get a disgustingly good bonus to speed and huge malus to enemy range since they almost never have ECM and when they do it's a negligible amount..

>>176153884
Yes, unless you specifically get the skills that increase the maximum range reduction. It still caps at 20% though, so 42% is vastly excessive given the AI never has ECM beyond capturing nodes.

>>176153282
do you reckon he killed himself?

game feels like it should have multiplayer

>custom your spess ship
>play vs others

>>176154675
Just let them finish the fucking game the way it's supposed to be. THEN you can start whining for multiplayer.

>>176155306
>finish the fucking game
hahahhaaaaaaaaaaa

>>176151696
Can someone upload this shit to a site that doesn't make my browser wig the fuck out? God damn, what's wrong with mega or mediafire

How the fuck do you get back on your feet after being knocked down early-game?

>>176155482
It's been steady development for 7 years, why would it stop now?

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I got another derelict aurora afterwards

thanks tri-tac bounty!

>>176155770
http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/tpT3B68r/file.html

>>176155770
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rwc2zz3el11m9io/Beware_the_Rusian_hackers.7z

Should I just have like 2 huge tankers in my fleet? Because I can not, for the life of me, make it out to survey bounties and back with just 2 little tankers. I feel like I need a ton of support and my fleet isn't even that big.

>>176155783
Deep space sensor package missions. Seriously, anon, it's easier than ever, now.

>>176156206

I haven't seen a single mission that could be do with the base fuel start of 55

>>176155996
>>176156119

Norton says it's a virus.

I have download shadier shit and Norton never reacts like this.

Fuck you.

>>176156436

>norton

Good riddance retard.

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>>176156436
>Norton

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>>176156436

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I spent the full 100 days on a "analyze this wreck" mission looking for the goddamn wreck.

I flew out to the star, warped in, started looking around blindly.

Found remnants. Blew them up. Found debris fields. Nothing. Flew around every planet. Blasted all of my scan abilities. Nothing.

Is there some obvious way to figure out where the wreck you're supposed to scan is located that I am missing? I made money from the trip, just from salvaging and shooting shit, but... How do mission?

>>176158806
read missions before accepting them

if it reads: somewhere in the outer reaches

then DO NOT TAKE IT.

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>>176158806

>>176158806
be wary of the "target is in the outer reaches" missions. sometimes you can find them, other times they'll be in the ass end of a huge system that you cant find

>>176159005
I did this yesterday for a mission where the target was supposed to be in the heart of the system and I didn't find shit. There were a half dozen other derelicts there, but apparently none of them were what I needed.

>>176159338
use neutrino scanner

>>176132565

One thing I would change is mentioning that Expanded Magazines makes Autopulse Laser borderline OP.

>play SS+
>its endless 250 movement speed luddite path ships rushing you: the game

>>176132396
>>176132565

These are good summaries, but not very good guides.

I tried making guides but my formatting is shit and everyone made fun of me.

>>176154675

Gratuitus Space Battles is a little like that. You don't really control the ships in the battle though.

How the fuck do you load out Diable ships? I'm fine with every single vanilla ship, I can always kit them out to be useful and powerful. But I just can't do the same with Diable. The ships are too slow, the shields too weak, the armour too flimsy, the weapons too weak and too slow-firing with too short a range.
They just suck. The only good thing is how they look.

What if we just buff diable ships?

>>176145146
kys

>>176145059
one developer. Been in development for 5+ years now. I still come back to it every few months and sink another 50 hours into it, 5 years later.

>>176160658
If you use them exclusively as a fleet and not to complement a fleet then you need to double down on wanzers and basically overwhelm the enemy, relying on fighters regening over time. there's nothing you can really do about the speed, because they'll collapse if things get too close

>>176161607
Diable ships work decently well if you have something to draw attention so they can strike from the rear.
I find monitors do a splendid job for this and if you can't find them just outfit a couple of enforcers with hardened shields and kinetic weaponry.
They don't need to hit hard just tank and overload enemies so they can't light up your other forces.

>>176160658
Why don't you share some of your fits so maybe you could get some actual help?

>>176162241
Another point to this is that it says in the diable factions description that their main combat method is to saturate the area in missiles and fighters before closing in on the confused ships.
Most of the diable missiles reload too which makes saturation pretty easy for them.

Would removing CR ruin the game?

>>176162561
Frigates would start soloing fleets again

What happens if i disable commissions?

>>176162402
Maybe that's the problem I'm having. Diable are very missile focused and I always shied away from using missiles. The incredibly low ammo count never seemed worth it and I would often save the ordnance for shipmods or vents.
I always found missiles to be an all-or-nothing sort of weapon. If you run out and the enemy aren't dead, then you've already lost.

>>176153282
this doesnt work.

I did it manually, just like the pic and its not working.

also, got the game from igg games, they had the starfare_obj.jar file already modify with the ifeq 61 and its not working either, so its not me doing it wrong.

anyone else know how to run this fucking game?
>le pay for a never finished already 7 years game

>>176162939
Yeah, I get where you're coming from.
For the most part I almost never give missiles to my ships with the exception of annihilators and swarmers.
They just waste harpoons and it feels like a waste of OP.
Thankfully it's not the case with diable missiles and if you give those ships an officer kitted out for missile combat they really shine.

>>176162402
Unfortunately the Thrush isn't that great at the end tier. Magic Missile or w/e the earliest recharge missile pod is ok, but if you're using end tier ships you're going to use them because it's a hard set weapon on the Storm.

Diable runs into an odd problem halfway down, because up until the Gust they're almost all jack of all trades (Haze is the attacker, Gust is the pseudo carrier, Calm and Hayle run flex roles almost but excel at nothing) then suddenly you hit the Storm, Maelstrom and Pandemonium and it almost feels like you're pidgeon holed into going full carrier team. The Maelstrom is sort of tanky but it isn't the same kind of tank as the Onslaught, and learning how to use its jump drive is finicky.

I still can't figure out which one of the end Diable weapons are actually useful. Glowtusks don't really have much of a punch, Recsons are ok. Hexablasters are iffy. Thrushes seem to work on and off. Then on the Wanzer end the Wanzers themselves are rare and costly, and it's hard to tell just how much effect they're really having.

They've definitely got fun ships like the Vesant and the Maelstrom but it's hard to really say that they've got the niche like the Astral

>>176163040
>download starsector_install-0.8a-RC19
>download starfarer_obj

>install starsector with installer
>double click on starsector
>put random bullshit into the activation code
>click activate, wont work but you need to do it
>replace starfarer_obf in starsector directory with crack starfarer_obf

there, done, should work, no problems, try before mods of course

>adding mods crashes me

allocate RAM
>how
download java jre79 NOT jre80
drag and drop the java jre7 folder into the directory, delete original jre and rename jre7 to jre

you may have to go to settings.json and change allowflashversionany whatever it is to TRUE

now change vmparams whatever

CARRIERS DID NOTHING WRONG.
>tfw no faction based purely on carriers and flight bays

>>176163318
I have trouble with the wanzers, too. I think they're simply too slow. Fighters need to be fast enough that the enemy can't use their main weapons against them. But wanzers drift, almost lazily, right into the enemies kill zone and get themselves shredded.

>>176163574
I wish Diable went ahead and committed to Wanzer carriers and gave every ship a slot instead of making it an add on. But with the end tier carriers you're not left with much room anyways if you end up using Wanzers instead of broadswords

>>176163318
I agree that the thrushes are kind of underwhelming and the hexablasters just seem to burn flux without doing much but the glowtusks do seem to be good as the only weapon for single weapon ships.
Their range leaves much to be desired but they punch the armour pretty well despite being a kinetic weapon.
As for wanzers I really just use the frost or the strife.
The others seem to pricey for me and those ones work out well as escorts, though the strife is very vulnerable being a solo wanzer.

How tough are bounty fleets, usually?

can i start the game with a certain faction?

>>176163909
At the start of the game they are push overs.
The 50k fleets usually consists of a buffalo, a cerberus, a wolf, and a kite.
It's like that for the first 3 bounties.

>find thingy "in the heart of the system"
>perform lengthy search pattern
>still can't find it anywhere
When will I fucking learn to only take the mission if it says it's orbiting a planet.

>>176163739
I think the Frost is better than the Strife by far. I've tried the Warlust and Blizzaia, but with the numbers that come out it's hard to tell whether it's really that much better. The Warlust definitely seems stronger but the cost is amazingly high. I'd rather just run a swarm fighter like the Spark to make up numbers.

>>176163698
Running pure Wanzers is an amazing pain in the ass because they never come in enough numbers to really matter, especially when Moras show up early and the Redacted have Sparks. They're cool like the Vesant is cool, but then like the Vesant you realize that the High speed mode literally is just a massive speed boost with barely any control, and it turns out to not be as useful as you'd hope

>>176163909
0 to 90k is doable for most fleets without any problem. Beyond that you usually start to see troublesome shit like Moras and Dominators. Around the 200k mark you'll start to see Onslaughts and other capitals. Some mods seem to come with their own faction bounties in traitors, the difficulty varies for those. A 370k Diable was easier for me than a 200k Tri-Tachyon

>>176163447
thx anon, already working.

I will try without mods for a while, lets see how it works

>>176164241
Well it's not really fair to compare anything to sparks.
They are bullshit incarnate with 2 burst PDs on each fighter craft and they have like 5 or 6 drones plus a shield generator all for the low OP cost of 5.
I do think that wanzers need a reduction in OP cost though.
They're nice but holy shit if I give my carriers wanzers they have nothing.

>>176164575
I think that perfectly illustrates how poor Diable ships are.
Better to stick with vanilla hi-tech or BLACKROCK WHEN?

I want a large ballistic mount destroyer with a wide angle of fire. To compensate you'd have less mounts than an Enforcer for PD.

>>176164758
Astral/Doom/Medusa fleets are a nightmare to fight against for a Diable fleet though. The Astral's fighters lock up the Wanzers, Doom and Medusa laugh at missile spam. Concentrated Wanzer attack on individual Dooms will kill the Doom for sure, but then the Doom is never alone on those bounties, and the Astral catches up sooner or later. At least with an Onslaught you can use a Medusa or something to run decoy and draw the Onslaught's attention away. The Astral just laughs at you as more fighters come out.

Diable AI fleets like to hang back which is nice, gives you time to weed out the support Gusts, Hayles, and Calms so it's just a grind down on the capitals.

>>176164624
20 OP for a bloody Warlust makes me cry. I run one Wanzer per ship just for the theme of it, but OP cost wise there's just no beating out Sparks. If it was more than 2 units for 20 OP I could maybe accept it but Wanzers never go past two units. The increased health realistically doesn't matter that much because of how messy large scale carrier fleet fights get. The Wanzers end up taking flak from everywhere.

>>176163739
Do the Grave HMCs actually do anything useful at all. I've never really seen the use for them especially since all the capitals end up being decked for missile/fighter spam

>>176165547
Honestly, I've never used them.
When it comes right down to it my preference is almost always to disable or cripple enemy vessels and let the bombers kill them.
So I run heavy with kinetic and ion weaponry.

so whats the deal with the shadowyards flagship

why is it garbage and why does its built-in weapon straight up not work

the modded burn drive is fun at least

>>176166108
>why is it garbage and why does its built-in weapon straight up not work
I haven't used it in 0.8 yet, but in the version of shadowyards I had on my 0.7.2a build it was a great ship

>>176166108
The built in weapon does loads of damage but takes some time to charge before firing.
It also generates a sizeable amount of flux for your vessel.
Other than that it seems to support more than outright kill.
It can easily overload ships up to destroyer but it has trouble from cruiser up.
I generally just use it to snipe down bigger ships from a distance with it's main gun then close the distance on the overloaded ship with it's lock drive.

I wonder if the Save Transfer mod is gonna get a 0.8 update. Though really I guess I'm just waiting for Blackrock now.

>>176166485
maybe it's because i loaded with with a bunch of the CEPC beams but i've literally not once seen the built-in fire and it's bothering me because it looks like it has a ridiculous range

>Your combined sensor profile is 13
i am become pssh, the destroyer of mercantiles

Can salvager fleets actually salvage derelict ships? Because that's the only thing I can think has happened to the ship I have to find. It is not in the system.

>>176167440
Debris fields and derelicts from battles disappear after time.
Also it can drift somewhere.

>>176167440
It's in some corner somewhere

when the game says 'fringes' or 'heart of the system' what it really means is that it's literally fucking anywhere in the system map and good fucking luck finding it

>>176167440
Actually, scrap that. Found it. Found it on the very outermost outskirts of the system, even though it was supposed to be in the heart.

Would post screenshot but phoneposting because stupid wi-fi.

The derelict was actually further from the star than anything else in the system.

Is there anyway to become friendly with the Pirates? I wanna be a scallywag. I figure its the usual kill everything that isn't a pirate.
I am at -100 relations however, hope that won't be too much of a problem.

Anyone notice how stocking up for a trade mission then going to hyperspace occasionally spawns a pirate fleet right on top of you?
Its funny how all you need is one good ship and the pirate fleets becomes target practice because their ships are all shit d-class rust buckets.

What kind of carrier should I be going for?
I don't have access to any of the fuckhuge ones, but out of something like a Heron or Mora or Drover what should I get?

>>176168221
Probably a bit late, at that point. You've got to get in with the pirates early on. Early enough that missions still available.

>>176168736
Moras are ugly, boring, easy mode.

Herons are for the real cool kids.

>install ss+
>frigates are now godlike
this is bullshit

>>176168897
but Moros is a dreadnaught not a carrier, and herons are a xploration ship!

(a-anyone getting the reference r-right?)

Honestly surprised there's no cowboy bebop mod

>>176169083
>eve mod will probably never get updated
feels bad man

>>176168736
Herons are fast and have bonus dmg to wings, also they look rather cool.
Moras are flying bring, can face tank anything.
Dovers are best cost/efficiency thanks to rabid deployment and 4 missile slots
Condors are shit but easy to get and chep

What are some good, efficient freighters i can use to support my fleet? Having trouble carrying shit around, and the Atlas is way overkill.

So should I just be salvaging every single piece in a salvage zone? Is there any reason not to?

Would it be a mistake to put an Aggressive officer on my AI Eagle? I'm tired of it pussy footing around at max beam range, but I'm afraid that it'll just aloha snackbar into the middle of the enemy fleet if I do give it one.

>>176169416


>>176162997

>>176169669
aggressive is what you want on most ships, even carriers. anything less than aggressive is too passive, but reckless is too aggressive and should be reserved only for ships that can get away easily like frigates.

>>176169060
Is there a detailed list of what ss+ changes? I hate when there's only a vague "balanced x" in the description.

>>176169669
Even the most suicidal AI pussyfoots around at the edge of a fight never committing and always backing off the moment it has an advantage, like the enemy ship venting.

>>176169660
The first salvage usually costs nothing. Each salvage attempt after the first has increasing odds of breaking machinery/losing crewmen and decreasing odds of good loot.

I never salvage more than three times, and usually only once.

>>176169794
It'd be nice if the steady/cautious AI would at least do something like missile spam or go after ships it's faster/outranges.

Instead it just seems to latch onto an enemy ship and do nothing except putter around

>>176169416
Colossus are great as cargo haulers.
Mules can fight and have plenty Op for solar shields and surveying equipment.
Shepards in big number also can help with salvage.

>>176169962
Alright thanks

>>176170075
Makes sense. Mules do seem solid all around for their size in that regard.

>>176169669
You do not want reckless on carriers as they are mostly fragile with light weapons and with reckless they tend to facetank and even mora can not survive reckless one.
Aggressive are most wanted, then steady.

>>176169060
To be fair, that's probably how it'll really be, in the future. Big ships are just massive targets. Their size and mass will hobble them. We'll definitely have almost exclusively frigates. Big ships would be reserved for logistics roles: carrying troops, fuel, supplies, etc. the stuff that would weigh down a frigate.

I found a big ass prometheus tanker, damaged but it costs 230k credits to repair. Should I do it and replace my little tankers? Do you guys usually have just one big one or is a bunch of little ones better?

>>176170298
why would you bother repairing it? it doesn't need the d-mods removed to perform its role.

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>>176128876
>Beagle video
I approve this choice.

>>176170343
I'm still very new I thought repairing it would make a huge difference

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>>176170429
most of the d-mods only affect the ship in combat. I think degraded engines affects burn speed but thats not a big deal now that sustained burn is in the game. bottom line is that your tankers and freighters shouldn't be seeing combat ever. also, how big is your fleet right now? I'm rocking a decent sized fleet and I don't need anything near a prometheus

>>176170793
I've been just surveying and scanning shit so my fleet is pretty small right now, I was saving up a lot so I could buy a bunch of shit to make a nice bounty hunting fleet so the extra fuel would help with that for right now anyways.

>>176170429
Nah it will not. When you run from enemy ships than the d-mods on tanker may factor in. But tanker is to slow anyway to run from enemy ship. You need a lot of escorts to cover it's retreat.

>>176169083
and the vanquisher is dead

>>176170987
from memory I think the prometheus has 3000 fuel capacity, right? it's probably a waste for you to be hauling that huge thing around with a tiny fleet. you'll never need that much fuel if its just a small fleet.

>>176170992
I put unstable injectors on my fuel ships for those emergency escape scenarios.
Maybe unstable injectors aren't the best thing to have on a volatile fuel tanker but hey ho.

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Are commissions actually worth it? I want some tritech stuff but making every other faction hate me seems like a pain in the ass.

>>176171203
Yeah I realized that after talking it out, thanks for your help. I'll stick with a mid sized guy for now.

>>176171217
They are good on tanker imo. The faster it is out of combat the better.

>>176171273
just disable commissions

>>176171273
>Are commissions actually worth it?
only if you've got a beefy enough fleet to tangle with major factions.

>>176171273
Every other faction will always spiral into hating every other faction except for the Independents. If you want to commission you should commission early

How bad of an idea would it be to load all those small energy slots on my Conquest with antimatter?

>>176170262
How does mass and size hobble something when there's no gravitational pull in space? Bigger ships should be even better than they already are on Earth.

>>176172593
but theres literally a gravitational pull everywhere in space anon

>>176172593
>How does mass and size hobble something when there's no gravitational pull in space? Bigger ships should be even better than they alre
The spaceship still has mass, which requires energy to move. More mass requires more energy.

>>176171852
>>176171893
>>176172350
So no. Should I just rely on pirates and independents and salvage to get the sexier stuff?

>>176172771
Sure, however it'll require considerably less than when you're under gravity. Gravity disproportionately affects things of greater mass, and heavy vehicles continue to be key to warfare even on earth despite that.

Is it even worth it to survey planets with 150%+ hazard rating?

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turned graphicslib off and i keep getting this

guess i'll die

>>176140659
2 weeks

>>176143552
I don't think base core worlds have nebula.

>>176174317
will it include blackrock

>>176174531
2 more weeks after that

>>176140659
Play the new 2hu until it comes out.

>>176173451
Oh I'm not trying to discount the notion that large ships would be used. At the very least they would serve logistical roles, as mentioned before.
Stations bristling with armament could be useful, I suppose. The next step would just be to cover it with engines.
I can agree that being a larger target might be a problem, but if your ship is big, I would also imagine that you could have room for sensors with detection ranges longer than that of smaller vessels.

>>176156126
2 will carry you through the late game. One will suffice for now. I salvaged a Prometheus early game and it was godly at that stage.

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>high tech ships use beams and such which are designed for long lasting combat
>but high tech ships have very limited CR

>low tech ships use metal slugs and such which are designed for quick blast combat
>but low tech ships have very high CR

Seems like a very small contradiction in the games philosophy. I much prefer CR existing than ammunition existing though.

>>176156126
If you're just going to survey stuff literally all you need is a tanker and a freighter/civ ship if you're going to salvage and survey planets.

>>176174628
can't you finish it faster

>>176174872
Mostly doing probe missions for the ez money. My fleet is bigger than it needs to be for sure, but I make tons more than I spend on fuel and supplies.

Trying to figure out what ships and whatnot i want to build up to.

So I just started playing SS with .8, and I really really like it. "Finished" an ironman run. What's the gist of SS+? Does it make the game harder? Is it balanced well? I really like that I have to pay crew/officers can die ect

Wait a second, so you mean to tell me Diable wanzers arent broken with the new fighter buffs?

>>176175487
too slow. they like to sit and tank instead of circle strafe

>>176169060
wat

>>176175209
it doesn't make the game harder, it makes some easy to use weapons weaker so combat lasts longer (they used to have much more stuff but that's about it now)

the rest is frankly le hardcore gamur gameplay nerfing anything that gives you too much money.

>>176175690
I'm ok with making less money, some of those early bounties are insane (like 50k for 3 frigates). They said look at the changelog to get an idea of what it changes, but it's like 5 pages of single spaced bullet points. Is there an overview somewhere?

>>176174840
There are plenty of energy weapons that arent beams

Obligatory reminder that Frigate AI is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING WORHTLESS and if you want something to slay enemy frigates then a carrier or a Safety Overrides Sunder/Hammerhead will do it better than twice their cost in frigates because bigger ships are naturally aggressive against smaller ships while even a vastly superior frigate will be in bitch mode against other frigates.

>>176171273
JOIN HEGEMONY TODAY
WE STAND TOGETHER
WE STAND TALL

>575k bounty
>its a neutrino fleet
>6 battleships plus assorted bullshit
>versus my ragtime fleet of a two eagles, 2 moras, 1 onslaught and some other shit
>expect a tough fight
>instead completely demolish the neutrino fleet and only lose a cheap (d) destroyer

????????

>>176175984
not really, it does hwat you read on those 7 lines in the forum thread

bounties are more balanced (scale), revenge fleets come at you one per nation as long as you are on vengenful reputation, crew has experience levels and has salary (iirc exp may be a nexerelin thing), some guns are nerfed together with the damper field (retarded idea desu) and some other minor things

honestly, get it when nexerelin comes out. otherwise it's really just a pointless mod that makes the game 1.2 harder and 1.5 more tedious. With nexerelin it has some nice synergy going that makes you feel like part of a faction that gets squashed as soon as you get noticed by someone in high command and not a super fleet that can tank the entirety of corvus without brekaing a sweat.

Dynasector is a semi integrated mod that adds some factions

>>176176412
put frigates on engage, now they are much needed distracting fire that rarely is defeated one on one

>>176171273
the problem with commission is that save for Sindria every other faction lacks the resources to sustian end game fleets. Since by endgame the whole sector is universally at war save for indies, you will run out resources very fast.

Sindria and some planets int he Persean League may allow you to indefinitely survive a commission, otherwise, you can get a different commission and see how long you can make it

>>176176590
reinforcements generally make a beeline if you destroy the first wave fast enough

What factions/ship mods work with diable?

>>176176737
Planes are generally better distractions than frigates.

>>176177281
all the 0.8 faction mods are compatible with each other

>>176177281
All of them that are updated? What do you mean by works with Diable?

>>176177296
planes don't last more than 2 seconds under fire.

>>176177503
My guess is what other ships work well in diable fleets

I would pay somebody to make an Einhander mod with all the ships and weapons in it

>>176177568
Neither do frigates. They just don't take as much fire because they're more concerned with running away than doing their goddamn job.

Planes you can rely on actually putting on pressure and replace themselves even if they die.

>>176177710
you don't know how to use frigates then

What's the best Independent military market?

>>176177961
The one in Sindria

>>176178089
Or Askonia, same thing

>>176177961
Man don't try independent just sign up with the diktat, they are the only ones that can support you in the late game.

so does starsector+ enable bounties in the core star systems? it seems like I'm getting bounties in here, which is very nice

Any good youtube videos besides this outdated beagle one?

Might want to buy, sphess mount and blade sounds amazing to me, but I wanna see some up to date gameplay

Sindria
>Condors
>Eagles
>Conquests
>loads of fuel
>supplies too
>FUCKING LOBSTERS

wtf I love the Diktat now, other factions need to step up.

>>176178247
Yes, especially with earlier bounties.

>>176178442
pirate it first then buy and I guarantee you'll feel satisfied with buying it after playing it if you think it deserves cash

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>falcon and two moras
>only have 2 sunders and drovers, rest frigates

>lost a sunder
>lost 2 lashers
>moras still up

this is ironman mode too in starsector+ :^)

>>176177603
Diable needs heavyweight anchors like Hegemony ships to soak up damage. Onslaughts and friends work well, and the Mora is basically tank and extra carrier in one.

If it's an early game fleet you might get to the Calm/Hayle or the Gust if you're lucky. By the time you hit the Gust, you'll basically realize that every Diable ship from there on is slow as fuck. The jump drive doesn't show up again until the capital ships, and you either need to get really lucky with Diable bounties or commission in order to get to there and by then you'll pretty much know what kind of fleet you want.

You could alternatively run fast ships as a distraction. Diable complements other fleets well in very specific fleet compositions like carrier runs. But even then carrier runs are rather specific. It's actually kind of odd that it's the Gust which has the built in weapon whereas the Pandemonium and Maelstrom only have the flicker cores and micro missiles also for the Maelstrom

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haha fug we did it :D

>Entire fleet is composed of level 3-4 (D) mod ships
>Upkeep is dirt-cheap
>But struggle against similar size enemy fleets
>Fully repair my flagship
>Become death destroying of worlds
Holy shit I'm retarded, why didn't I do this earlier. Sure I just doubled my upkeep from upgrading that single vessel but it makes such a difference moving on from junker ships. I guess being too cautious with balancing your budget in the early game becomes deceptively self damaging later on.

>>176178510
Lobsters are kill. Since updating to 0.8 I've never seen more than about 100 of them in any market. Hell, one time I saw a mission at Sindria looking for someone to find 1,800 lobsters and ship them back to Volturn.

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>got 2 moras with intact fighter bays

aw yiss nigga

How do I actually get modded ships ingame? Do I have to wait for markets to refresh or something?

>>176178784
two moras on their own?

do you have a single anti armour weapon?

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>>176171273

>>176179191
I've seen XIV series show up in Hegemony Military but outside of that I haven't seen other modded outside of Path.

>>176179268
will that actually make faction ships obtainable with rep alone

>>176174235
did you turn it off in its settings or in the launcher loadorder?

>>176179387
That would be nice.

>>176179432
the settings, although i only touched the shader option since it very clearly said disabling that would disable the entire mod

i guess i've got disable all the other options as well? i'm not too sure what's causing this bug because i've given starsector 2gb ram to start with and up to 4gb to use as needed which really ought to be more than enough

>>176179562
That's not crashing in shaderlib. Paste the end of starsector.log.

>>176179387
>>176179492

yes, they behave like the independets with that off

starsector+ isn't bad
this pirate fleet spawned a 100k bounty in the luddic church star system and the enemy is like 14 ships, all frigates though, interesting fights

>>176179751
damn i got hollered at about needing to turn shaderlib off last thread about it

708369 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: data.scripts.plugins.SpriteRenderManager.objectspaceRender(Lcom/fs/starfarer/api/graphics/SpriteAPI;Lcom/fs/starfarer/api/combat/CombatEntityAPI;Lorg/lwjgl/util/vector/Vector2f;Lorg/lwjgl/util/vector/Vector2f;Lorg/lwjgl/util/vector/Vector2f;Lorg/lwjgl/util/vector/Vector2f;FFZLjava/awt/Color;ZFFF)V
java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: data.scripts.plugins.SpriteRenderManager.objectspaceRender(Lcom/fs/starfarer/api/graphics/SpriteAPI;Lcom/fs/starfarer/api/combat/CombatEntityAPI;Lorg/lwjgl/util/vector/Vector2f;Lorg/lwjgl/util/vector/Vector2f;Lorg/lwjgl/util/vector/Vector2f;Lorg/lwjgl/util/vector/Vector2f;FFZLjava/awt/Color;ZFFF)V
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at com.fs.starfarer.combat.entities.Ship.advance(Unknown Source)
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at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

>>176180037
it says something about diable but that makes no sense because none of these crashes happened in fights with diable/using diable weaponry

>>176179562
try truning it back on, if it works, disable it piece by piece, see what it gets its panties in a bunch for
IF that fails maybe try reinstalling the mod.
Do you have lazylib too (a requirement)? Or maybe shaderlib (which is its obsolete version and may be conflicting)

Other than these im out of ideas other than retarded ones like the starsector is installed too "deep" so the filepaths and shit are longer than what java can handle.

>>176180037
delet diable and download it again

>>176179268
Seems like a shitty way to play the game. Now you'll barely have any revenge fleets.

how do I add a planet?

how do I give said planet a merket?

the faction tutorial doens't cover that sadly

>>176177891
I know enough that I didn't fall for the misinformation that the eliminate command makes the combat AI more aggressive. Nice shitty grammar and non-argument though.

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Conquest is breddy gud.

>>176180586
mind linking this tutorial you speak of

Do I have to start a new game in order to use mods that I just put in?

imagine a total conversion that uses utterly

>>176180951
you stupid nigger

try attacking a battlestation with both commands.

with eliminate ships get in range of their own weapons, which means frigates instantly remove themselves from the game, while engage means they try and stay out of range of weapons, but still try to attack, meaning they will stay in range of the longest reach weapons. the "backs off / goes al out" descriptions are flavour text and that depends on AI officer and the ships stats.

it doesn't change the AI, it merely changes where they will position themselves in relation to weapons. Whether or not the ship will barge in and get overwhelmed and die, or never ever get closer than it's minimum ordered range, depends on officer AI. Non officer ships iirc maintain themselves on steady.

>>176181134
http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=633.0

most of these are necessary for a basic faction and ships mod. more detailed stuff in the rest of the subforum. I just want to make factions, but I haven't found the planet making guide yet.

I'm planning on splitting the independents into a faction per planet.

Does AI even benefit from the autofire bonus on Gunnery Implants or do they cheat and aim every weapon at once?

Is Starsector + AI better somehow? Enemies seem far more intelligent in general.

>>176181481
do the mods modify game map (planets and systems), game assets (ships and guns)?

as long as it's HUD, aesthetic / graphics changes it won't be a problem.

>>176181545
>frigates against a battlestation
lmao

Try putting a safety overrides frigate with good equipment against a baseline frigate like an assault lasher or wolf, use the eliminate command, and count how many times the piece of shit doesn't even finish off the overloaded enemy. Nothing you posted has anything to do with why frigate AI is garbage.

>>176170793
It's stupid that I'm actually better off flying a junk fleet around for more efficient maintenance and campaign-level bonuses than I am top of the line high tech stuff.

Higher tech should mean more automation, more efficiency, less breakdowns, lower maintenance costs.

There needs to be better tiering / division:

Irreplaceable Tech
Shit that's so high-tech the tech to fix it doesn't exist anymore. It's expensive as fuck to maintain and fix. Only special ports can do it, and you have to pay out the ass for the parts that only come from Domain-era salvage.
Purchase: lol
Maintenance: $$$$$
Fuel: $

Elite Tech
Shit that's high tech but not irreplaceable - just limited production and specialized vendors.
Purchase: $$$$$
Maintenance: $$$
Fuel: $$

Mid Tech
Shit that's moderately high-tech and replaceable, with well established mass production.
Purchase: $$$
Maintenance: $
Fuel: $$

Low Tech
Shit that's low tech old beater style - mass produced once, but not anymore so the parts can be hard to find.
Purchase: $
Maintenance: $$
Fuel: $$$

Flying Junkyards
Shit that's literally a flying scrapheap. Everything sucks, shit falls apart. Constant breakdowns that have to be repaired all the time. Nothing is ever in perfect working order. You need tons of crew just to keep the scrap together. Breakdowns happen in flight, maintenance costs are high, and it's not even that great in combat. This is what d-mod ships are.
Purchase: People literally throw it away
Maintenance: $$$$
Fuel: $$$$

>>176181685
People shit it on it but it seems to be worth using.
>more fleets out in the open
>better bounties
>bounty targets in the core star systems
>bigger fleets and more variation

>>176181115
What kind of fit do you use?

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>>176181952
Dedicated garbage slayer. I'll probably give it one Hephaestus just so it has something to poke with though. The AI doesn't use the devastators very intelligently.

>Salamander MRM pod
I didn't even know these existed.

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>>176182685
the HE damage potential tho

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I installed some ship and weapon mods and have no idea how to actually use them, can I use my vanilla save somehow? I have like 20 hours on it

>>176181773
never saw that happen. getting overloaded one on one is generally a death sentence for any ship of the same size, even yours depending on the enemy weapons.

if your ship arne't killing downed enemies depite being faster then:

a. your ships are not fitted for one on one combat and are meant for longer or bigger fights, where they stay in formation and wait fo the chance to use their guns. If they are one on one and outflux the enemy, the way they are kitted means they won't manage to kill the enemy in one overload sitting and may take some time to beat them, but they will.

b. you at kitting weapons and your ship should mop the floor with the enemy

c. the ship simply isn't designed for the role. friages are the most diverse ship class.

>>176181834
that doens't agree with the lore.

flying junkyards cobbled together post collapse with spare parts and pirate hopes. they are not a mess, they simply have disabled features they no longer maintain or created outright from non military parts.

The "so shitty it needs more men to maintain" is applied via the other type of d-mod that reduced overall ordinance points, and can't be removed

hegemony remmants of previous military doctrines: I don't recall what alex said but it was something along the name of "no new ships were assembled but there's enough of them to still require mass production of parts" because the domain is fucking ancient and always expanding, and because autofactories uses template so manufacturing old shit is easy af. you can assume the latest designs like the heron and eagle still get assembled, but onslaughts and dominators probably don't

post energy fortress shield designs: used by tri tachyon, info is not clear on them but it seems tri tachyon but it seems there imply weren't enough of them in the domain armies to have any stationed in the sector during the collapse. So tri tachyon, being the one who designed / holds the licenses, is the only one capable of manufacturing them.

>>176182685
dude that's a broaside ship, why would you double kit it?

Weird how I crash more on java79 and doesn't crash on java80.

Why do you fags keep telling me to use java79?

>>176183509
depends on the mod, if it adds ships to existing factions you should be able to use it in your current save and just wait for markets to update with the new ships. If the mod adds a new faction you'll have to restart

>>176183509
lolno

and mods pretty much add factions/ships if you're talking about those, you have to click MODS when you open starsector before you launch it, then tick the boxes, also install it properly you dumb appleposter

>>176183964
because the modded game has massive ram consumption and java never released jr8 which would allow you to go above 2 gb ram

>>176183658
>flying junkyards cobbled together post collapse with spare parts and pirate hopes. they are not a mess, they simply have disabled features they no longer maintain or created outright from non military parts.

That means they're expensive to maintain.
If something isn't supported anymore, it isn't produced, there's no pajeet tech support, nobody has the instruction manuels - it's expensive as fuck to fix it and maintain it.

Shit doesn't get cheap just because it's old. Old shit might work, but it's expensive as all hell to keep it working. Look at legacy systems running on fortran who require old-ass experienced guys who get paid $200k/year to maintain that kind of shit because they're the only ones who know how the fuck it works anymore.

You seriously need to get hit upside the head with a cluebat