Etrian Odyssey General

Why do you persist
Its too late

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This is too stupid to feel mad about.

>>176119256
Olympia did nothing wrong.

>>176119554
>summons that waste your time
EO2U boss design in a nutshell.

>>176119554
Quick, use a dusk ball!

>>176119972
>thinks adds are bad design by default
Thank god you arne't a game designer.

>>176119554
hope you saved fafnir's break

>>176120543
>by default
You really need to work on your implying skills, anon.

Summons are not bad by default but the way EO2U did them is just shit - and they are everywhere.

>basilisk eyes - kill them or get petrified
>flame cubes - kill them quick or you die
>tentacles - kill them instantly or you die
>cores - kill them quick or you die
>calamity pieces - kill them or you can't kill the boss
>origin buds - kill them or you can't kill the boss

You can not control them, you can not decide to outlast their damage - the only way the game allows you to handle them is through damage.
Which is a real shame because EO usually gives you a range of options on how to deal with stuff.
But not the summons. They are there to waste your time, damage and TP or punish you should you decide to try to get around that.

An example for good summons are the hollow Queens supporters.
Not only do they rotate so you can pick your poison, you also can arm/head bind them to make them a non-issue for a few turns.
And when the fight is coming to a close you can also just ignore them and burst on, something many EO2U summons prevent you from doing.

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>>176121347
>basilisk eyes - kill them or get petrified
Prevent order/barrier/medical miracle did the trick. A boss like basilisk would usually use a petrification skill no matter what. The eyes give you an extra chance to prevent the skill from being used at all.
>flame cubes - kill them quick or you die
While it is indeed better to kill them you CAN block the epxlosion if you have grimoires.
>tentacles - kill them instantly or you die
Kill them fast and they'll be resummoned faster. I usually opt to let them be for as long as possible and focus on Scylla instead.
>cores - kill them quick or you die
This is actually a TERRIBLE idea other than for storm emperor. In the case of blizzard king, killing the core means mirror shield is soon to follow whereas leaving it alone will prevent the skill form being used at all. As for great dragon, killing the core with its massive HP means giving the dragon several free turns to maim you, it's best to just fire wall it.
Anyway, fuck dragon cores.
>calamity pieces - kill them or you can't kill the boss
>origin buds - kill them or you can't kill the boss
Well then, kill them. What's the problem really? Is it that you wanted to have your opportunity windows to be eternal so you can keep doing whatever at your leisure? These fights are interesting precisely because of those helpers restricting your zone of comfort and forcing you to be sure of when to attack and how.

In every case but the last two, you're free to ignore the helpers and rush the boss - you're just doing it at a risk. And assessing risk is what you're supposed to do in boss battles. As they were used for bosses like hollow queen or cernunos, the supporters were little more than a decoration, a trap to make you waste valuable turns. There was little to no punishment for ignoring them.
Although I wish we could have had front line summons for some boss fight, only to make drop shot not utterly useless against bosses.

>>176122162
>Kill them fast and they'll be resummoned faster. I usually opt to let them be for as long as possible and focus on Scylla instead.
this

ignore tentacles, they are a trap.
multi-attacks should take care of them

Why is Himukai so lewd?

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Persona Q 2 when?

Just started up EOV and was wondering if there was anything other then the class recolors in the dlc cia? I cant read moon, so Im not sure if Im missing anything.

>>176123335
There's additional portraits for some classes IIRC.

>>176123335
There is no class recolor DLC.

>>176123535
>>176123536
Really? If its the school uniform portraits or the EO1 portraits I dont see either when Im creating new members for my guild.

>>176122162
>basilisk eyes
I give you that one. You can get around it rather easily.

>While it is indeed better to kill them you CAN block the epxlosion if you have grimoires.

Walls only block one instance of damage per character. Since they explode on the same turn as Kingly fire comes out you will not be able to take this - unless you put half your team on Fire Wall duty. Which means you have to get enough Wall Grimoires in the first place. Since Grimoires in the second stratum are very low level you would have to grind a lot even if you used QR codes.

At which point - why not grind out some more levels and just trash the boss that way.
I don't see that as a viable strategy at all.

>Kill them fast and they'll be resummoned faster. I usually opt to let them be for as long as possible and focus on Scylla instead.

Might work on standard, terrible idea on expert.
Not only is their damage massive and adds up quickly (unless you somehow have a rank 20 Front Guard for 70% reduce) their leg bind skill also stuns you.
So if you have any plans to get around their primary disable all can and will come crushing down if you get even a bit unlucky. Which is likely if you let them have many tries by leaving them up.

>In the case of blizzard king, killing the core means mirror shield is soon to follow whereas leaving it alone will prevent the skill form being used at all.

You and I must play different games entirely.
Mirror Shield is bound to the summoning of the core, not to it's destruction.
It just gets delayed if Blizzard King is forced to do other things before Mirror Shield.
Hell, that is the entire reason you can not two-shot Blizzard King with a Dark Hunter. After the first Ecstasy (which takes over 50% HP and puts BK way under the threshold for the first Core) it summons the core and next turn Mirror Shield will prevent your second Ecstasy.

Besides that leaving cores up is a terrible idea because their elemental blast gets stronger every turn they are alive.

>>176123846
(cont.)
So unless you put two people on duty to wield of elemental blasts and a third person on duty to ward of physical attacks you will die after three or at the very most four turns of core damage.

>Well then, kill them. What's the problem really?

In a vacuum Ur-Child and Calamity would be ok (even if both of them using the same trick is kind of lame) but because so many other bosses use bullshit summons them also having the same shit stands out negatively.

>>176123296
May 20th will be the announcement.

>>176124923
nah, they'll announce Etrian Odyssey The Untold Animation, Etrian Arena (featuring your favourite Untold and Untold 2 characters!), and Etrian Odyssey Untold: Dancing All Night.

>>176123846
Getting wall grimoires isn't that expensive. Remember that you'll be using levels 4~6, not 10. You should have enough of those by the end of the second stratum.

In the case os Scylla, what do you do when she starts summoning more than one tentacle per turn then? Go after them and let Scylla crush you in the while? Sure it's risky to let the tentacles be but diverting your party's damage form the boss into the tentacles is falling right into her trap. You're better off making sure Scylla can't use her dangerous attacks than trying to cut the Hydra's heads.

Of course mirror shield is tied to summon rather than destruction but the two are related: if you never destroy the core, it will never be resummoned which in turn means mirror shield will never be used in that fight. Of course that's of little importance if you can 2-3 shot the dragon, but on the other hand why even bother with the core if the fight won't last enough for it to get into full throttle?

As for the great dragon, it is very likely that the core will reach unsustainable damage before you can finish it off, so you're still required to shield yourself from both sources AND you will have been doing little to no damage to the dragon. Yes, you need to put someone on constant fire wall duty and someone else protecting from the dragon's attack more often than not but the alternative isn't any better and you have to deal with the same conditions for a way longer battle with more chances for things to go south. Spending more turns attacking the core than the dragon isn't th ebest strategy.

>>176124114
And their summons are mechanically different from the rest (kinda. If you don't kill the buds you get into a flame demon situation).
The only shitty summons are the dragons', take them away and it's all fine.

>>176125154
>Etrian Odyssey The Untold Animation
I'd watch it - there is a 50/50 chance it's either so horrible it's funny or just plain horrible.
I'm willing to take that wager.

>>176125425
>The only shitty summons are the dragons', take them away and it's all fine.

Scylla could have at least some dealy and I would be willing to agree.
On their own most bosses are tollerable it's just their overreliance on the same (or a very similar) mechanic over and over that makes the bosses as a whole a chore.

But seeing as bosses like Wyvern and Golem are a complete pushover they likely saw that they had pushed their burst damage power creep too far and tried to diffuse it a bit.

>In the case os Scylla, what do you do when she starts summoning more than one tentacle per turn then?

My Scylla tactic is usually using area attacks instead of higher damage single target skills.
Thankfully her tentacles don't have that much HP.
For the story party Link Order II 4 (even off of a Flame Saber 9) and Flank Shot 1 are enough to kill them on expert for example.

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>>176126242
>My Scylla tactic is usually using area attacks instead of higher damage single target skills
Oh well, then we've been arguing over using the same strategy. Flame grater, inferno formula, ?fire jar? and link order II with some flame fantasia on the side are my go-to skills for scylla, I just stop using compression formula (since it's also easy for it to go wrong because of the tentacles' influence).

Since the whole comparison arised from Yggdrasil Core, I thought you were suggesting to stop attacking Scylla to rush the tentacles, which is a very bad idea.

>>176125154
What about Etrian Q?

>>176123817
Try changing locale with Luma

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How was this city called and why is it like twenty times larger than the original Great Duchy of High Lagaard?

>>176123817
Use NTR. Anyway, the DLC is pretty much those six portraits and a couple quests to get easy exp.

>>176126743
Focussing the tentacles is indeed a horrible idea - but they still need to die preferably in one turn.
Which makes quite a lot of characters sub-optimal and parties not viable on its own.
Many area attacks are really costly and you can not farm any TP restoring items before beating Scylla which is just one more reason to resent her.

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>>176127364
>NTR

EO V will get ported to the Switch and only then will it get a western localization

>>176127185
Will try. Thanks anon.

>>176127871
That's still too hopeful for me.
If they announce a Switch port on May 20th it might be possible.

Otherwise: neVer eVer.

>>176127079
Like Persona Q but with Untold characters?
The milenum party is almost flat enough for that but the Fafnir troupe might need to lose a bit of character since more than one personality trait is not allowed.

>>176127871
>EOV port to Switch
>handheld mode only
>toggle the map onto the screen with one of the triggers
>comes bundled with a capacitive-compatible stylus
>still doesn't get localized

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>in 8 days Atlus USA announces EOV localization
>in 13 days Atlus reveals EO3U nest to PQ2
>in a year, with EO3U still not localized, Atlus USA announces they won't release any more 3DS games

>>176129343
What's happening in 8 days?

>>176129343
Such a convoluted plot this season.
I liked the Fran poster better, his character was easier to follow.

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>>176129434
10th EO anniversary for the US

>>176127871
>EOV Switch port
>70 bucks because Atlus tax

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>>176129750
After the massive attention the 1th birthday got in Japan the US birthday is bound to have a ton of announcements!
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>>176130442
lewd nene

>>176130650
Nene needs to step up her lewd game overall if she wants to stay relevant.
Look what happened to blonde Princess and Bobshark - completely fallen of the radar.

>>176125154
>Etrian Arena (featuring your favourite Untold and Untold 2 characters!)
As long as the game lets me bully Arianna I am on board.

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>>176131963
>blonde princess
>falling off the radar
>specially when compared to bobshark

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>>176133258
And this... thing...
At least they tried?

>>176133258
What am I even looking at here

Sup, I'ma pirate your game. What can you tell me about Etrian Odyssey Untold 2? My only experience with this format is Persona Q - what is the most asswhopping, braindead, ez mode party composition I can have in EOU2?

>>176134934
Dark Hunter, War Magus, Dark Hunter

Hexer (with Stigmata grimoire), Troubadour.

>>176134934
Hexer (with Stigmata grimoire) and Dark Hunter with Ecstasy will blow through 90% of the game. So basically what >>176135284 said. Although you might run a Protector to buy you a setup turn.

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>>176135284
>>176135487
Thanks

>>176134934
The easiest is any good classic party involving Fafnir but since that needs you to beat the story mode first I would just go with the meme three.

Dark Hunter running whip, War Magus and Hexer.
War Magus' Ailing Slash deals massive damage but needs an ailment which can be given by the Hexer. Vampire also heals their entire line for a percentage of the damage they deal against ailing targets (which is often enough to sustain your front line on its own).
Dark Hunter's Ecstasy deals even more damage if the enemy has two binds and outright broken damage if the enemy has all three binds. Both Dark Hunter and Hexer can inflict those.
After inflicting shit the Hexer's Frailty Curse can increase the damage of your party even more.
War Magus also doubles as your Healer and bind/ailment prevent unit - the latter gets more important as the game goes on. So after maxing Ailing Slash pump points into War Lore and Barrier.

Add in a Protector for defense and a Alchemist for elemental coverage and you have an extremely offensive party that will kill almost anything in a few turns while also keeping the enemy controlled so they can not kill you.
Only one boss is immune against almost all binds/ailments but she blows herself up three turns after her man servant dies so you just have to turtle for a bit.

If you want to go extra cheap try to get a Stigmata Grimoire via QR code since on a Hexer it can often fully bind even bosses in a single turn.

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>>176135712
Does this also work on expert mode? Thanks man, the explanations are really appreciated. I tried some other party composition and got immediately blown the fuck out by even the simplest mobs, but I think it's because of expert mode (they do more damage then, right?)

>>176135881
Yes, even in Expert Dark Hunters are absurdly broken. Also, early game is always hard.

>>176135881
Expert is kind of the baseline - Standard lowers the damage you recieve, increases the damage you deal and maybe changes some infliction stuff. And Picnic takes that even further so you can basically normal attack anything to death (which is good for afk grinding after a rest should you need to re-allocate your skill points).

The mobs in the beginning hit hard because you are low level and have no equipment.
That's what a Protector is for - get them Front Guard and spam it like mad You can usually rush it to 10 as fast as possible but maybe leave it at 9 for a few levels if the TP cost looks to steep for you (you can put the skill points into Shield Mastery to unlock the Walls instead).
Rear Guard can be ignored but you want Fire Wall on 5-9 (10 is not needed as it just increases TP costs for a minor absorb) for the second stratum and Ice Wall on 5-9 for the third stratum. Volt Wall is useful in the fourth stratum but its enemies don't have that many volt attacks.

Btw. armor and the DEF value in the status menu are nearly worthless since they are so weak. Get a good body armor for everyone and only update it when it makes a big difference.
VIT is important for taking physical hits so you could give your frontline some VIT accessoiresif they die too often.
TEC does the same for elemental hits but you should have your Walls to take care of those.

Arianna a cute

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>>176136791
You may live.

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>>176137373
Frederica>Arianna

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>>176137495
You made a little mistake there.

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>>176119554
>original 3ds
>playing with 3D on

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>>176139028
>playing with 3D off
>ever

>>176139028
The 3D gives it an anti-aliasing effect. I know people like to do the whole 3d=bad meme, but you'd think anons here would actually have tried turning the 3D on for once.

I play on a 2ds.

>>176139640
Same. It's just more comfortable to hold.

>he doesn't own a hacked standard New 3DS, the perfect screen size and form factor that Nintendo has ever produced for the DS line
XL fatties/Americans and 2D poorfags can fuck off desu

>>176127467
>preferably
There's no "preferably", you either have means to one-shot 2+ tentacles in a single turn, or try to use something like auto lick hp regen on hit grimoire beast or die.

>have special pillow to allow earbuds in ear without discomfort
>head supported
>neck supported
>arms comfortable as fuck since joycon controllers weigh almost nothing and arms at side as normal when sleeping
>ever since getting my Switch been playing in bed with switch and myself on side
>over 300 hours of botw
>1 and a half kart /v/eekends
Etrian Odyssey must somehow move to the switch. I will give into auto mapping just to experience a comfortable as fuck ride while being comfortable as fuck.

>>176139973
Where do I get this special pillow

>>176139568
>The 3D gives it an anti-aliasing effect
It's more of an optical effect. It still has the same aliasing, only that it's different for each eye.
At the very least, with 3D the environments are less blurry and you can tell details apart.
Anyway, it's also very nice to have different menus, portraits and background on different layers.

>>176139810
>manlet thinking any non-xl 3ds has a perfect screen size
when will they learn
>>176139973
Maybe if they release a version of switch which is not a hardware catastrophe and actually has games

>>176139831
Or just prevent getting leg bound without needing to attack the tentacles.

>>176140053
I.. cant find it on amazon anymore. bought it two years ago. typed in "ear bud pillow"

>>176140248
Can't you just look at your purchase history

>>176140228
N3DS has a screen size between the OG and XL screens, the XL screen is too fucking big for the 3DS' resolution and it looks like utter shit, especially if you don't play with 3D on.

>>176140228
>hardware catastrophe
Yeah because EO is known for its high fidelity graphics that need the strongest of machines.

>>176140340
Making the screen smaller won't fix the resolution. You either hold a small 3DS closer to your face than an XL or strain your sight to actually read the screen. In either case, it's a loss.

>>176140369
EO2 lagged like hell, how do you explain that.
psh.. nothing personnel...

>>176140340
>the XL screen is too fucking big for the 3DS' resolution
It's not
>>176140369
I'm talking about ebin stuff like plastic screen in fucking 2017, low quality mats making console bend from heat, joycons losing signal and other shit.

>>176140369
I'll only buy a switch if I can view Himukai's lolis in 4k on handheld mode.

>>176140498
>4k
so never

>>176140495
And how is that gonna stop EO?

>>176140483
Shitty programming.
In certain quests it checks if a condition is met with every single input.
Also the leaf/petal/snow effects are not only visual but also change the battle "R"NG every time one of them spawns.
It's a nightmare.

>>176140678
>fire squirrels not only burn threads but also bend the console

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>>176140710
>leaf/petal/snow effects are not only visual but also change the battle "R"NG every time one of them spawns.

>>176140232
The leg bound skill also stuns. Good luck preventing both of those.
Also the damage is just too much on expert unless you stack Beast and Protector to reduce it to nothing or some shit.

>>176140921
It may not be much on its own but shit adds up.
Displaying 3D dungeons is already kind of taxing for the DS' meager hardware so putting more operations on top of it is not helping.

>>176140991
Leg bind only matters when she's about to use her "nuke". Unless you get stunned exactly on the turn she's using it, it's not that much of a setback.
Again, the whole thing is a trap. The faster you kill tentacles, the sooner they grow to overwhelming levels. Let one be, finish it when another one pops.

>>176140710
>Also the leaf/petal/snow effects are not only visual but also change the battle "R"NG every time one of them spawns.
who gives a fuck

>>176141275
The framerate - it takes a dump whenever those effects are on screen because too many operations are stacked on top of each other.

>>176140336
this or fake

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Damn, I'm playing Untold 2 for the first time and I didn't expect to get right into the feels.. today, I made a friend

>enemy uses a party wide strong phys atk which also binds/ails

>>176141665
Remove dragons

>>176141242
The leg bind skill is only used on the turn Scylla uses her nuke anyways.
Also the respawn of tentacles is fixed in her pattern. If you leave one alive you just will have one more of them the next time she spawns them.

Does no one here read up on patterns before posting their totally legit high level tactics?

>>176141635
Keep your bros close to you.
Such a trooper.

>>176141635
Dude, i know right!
I started playing a few days ago and posted the same thing in the earlier thread!
A real bro, that one.

>>176141635
>>176142009
Hedgehogs vs. squirrels when?

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>>176141754
don't do that

When will Meguro do some work on EO?

Did anyone here actually try Picnic difficulty before? I just auto attacked a FOE at level 3... just how easy is this really?

>>176143179
remove these dragons especially

did you guys Rest Chloe and Bertrand when you first got em? Provoke is pretty useless I hear and Flavio has aliments that Chloe can build off of better than just being a straight healer

>>176143832
Picnic is a complete joke.
You deal five times at much damage, take 15% damage and heal three times as much (which doesn't even matter since you take no damage...).

>>176143969
I rest them and the enitre party just so their XP bars are synced up.

But yes, Provoke is useless and Arianna can heal good enough until Vampire comes online.

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>>176144184
At least the description is accurate, the game becomes an ingredient collecting cartography simulator

>>176143857
you cannot

>>176144590
AFK grinding from 30 to 99 in like half an hour is also great on its own.

>>176141665
>enemy uses fast, line piercing, strong physical attack which also stuns
>there is three of them

EOU 5th stratum is fun.

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>>176143969
Provoke is useful. It's not at the level of taunt but it's close, specially early game. The couple of points that Chloe has spent in healing skills are useful for those situations where damage will get unmanageable all of a sudden, which happens pretty often at the start of the game.

Either way, resting so early in the game is utterly moronic. There are three SP spent wrongly? Congratulations, because resting deleted two of those points, you got in the end one point to redistribute and a weaker character.

>>176145585
>Enemy uses high damage, whole party elemental damage attack which also puts you to sleep.
>2 other enemies in the back row duplicate the skill

EOV 6th stratum is hell

>>176145874
Elemental attacks that inflict stuff just feel wrong in general...

>>176144590
But doesn't it mean they are removed?
Who cares if they are somewhere in a theoretical parallel multiverse or some shit as long as I don't have to deal with them.

>>176143832
"the game could as well play itself" difficulty
Only ever used for auto-grinding or by autists who are afraid of text and want story bonuses

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>>176148194
Lots of cute girls with fluffy ears died because you dumped your shitty dragons on them asshole.

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who wore it better?

>>176148194
Iod is just a little insecure because her children decided to exterminate her entire species and interrupt the cycle of reincarnation that prevents the universe from reaching heat death, that's all

spinoffs when

>>176148956
Arianna obviously
In case of Shilleka you would have a hard time saying she wears anything (3 straps of cloth are not clothing) and fucking leaf just wears some cheerleader clothing probably waiting for chad dick (because what else cheerleaders are for)

>>176149025
>wanting a spinnoff of dead series

>>176148956
arianna

>>176149257
We are getting EMD2 so spin-offs of dead series' are happening.

>>176148956
anko no erohon

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>>176144325
I'm glad I'm not the only one autistic enough to do this.

>>176149257
It's not dead in Japan tho

>>176149546
Picnic and grinding DLC means you can rest up every time someone is dead at the end of a fight - and after the Demi-Fafnir fight of course.

Sadly EOU is not quite as lenient so preserving your XP bar sync takes some effort.

>>176149653
7th Dragon is still going on over there?
I thought Japanese shit taste was just a meme.

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>>176152864
The first 7th Dragon is the only good one, right?
I am playing it right now, and dragons/FOEs are a pain in the ass to avoid because of the centipede-like form of the party.

Still fun tho.

>>176153542
You are not supposed to avoid them. Starting mid-game they are even pretty weak.
There is a counter of them for a reason - kill them all.

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>>176153542
The other three are more generic 3D RPGs that still have FOE dragons and party creation but drop the overworld and cut the party to 3 members in a single line
I liked them all but they're too easy and each has one or more super exploitable classes

>>176153902
The last dragon is in captivity. The universe is at peace.

>>176153542
The first one is closest to EO.

Four characters that you can put into two lines. You can have any configuaration that doesn't have all characters in the back line.
Later games only have three characters and no lines.

Also you have skill points per level - multiples of 5 give you two skill points and some skills cost more than one point.
Later games have their own skill currency earned in battles.

Equipment also gets forged out of monster parts whereas later games have standard RPG progress unlocking for gear.

>>176153902
I just assumed that after I killed them all, they'd just respawn in 4 or 7 days.

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>>176154721
Or after some specific period of time, since the game doesn't have days.

>>176154721
Well, there actually is a respawn mechanic for the bloom and rarely for dragons.
But it only gets activated if you sleep at an inn.
Inn's also reset gathering points which become usable way to late into the game.

If you have a Princes and/or a Medic you can get MANA restore skills with them so there is no real need to actually sleep.
Refreshing in the dungeon is also usually faster than walking or teleporting out, going to the next inn, sleep and go back.
Random encounters are usually so easy you can just turtle up against a single enemy, refill your MANA and be ready for the next dragon fight.

>>176154923
That's a very cute potato.

>>176148906
That's why dragons need to be removed.
Every last one of them.

>>176156646
This. Also hunting them is pretty much the only legit experience pinata you can ever get in the game.

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>>176154721
Dragons only respawn if you leave bloom in the dungeon and spend a few days (the game has days, they are advanced by inn visits). Once you kill all the dragons in the dungeon the bloom gets removed entirely and forever (which may be bad if you want those bloom seeds and tons of EXP they give). Once you kill every overworld dragon manually the final dungeon opens a special "postgame" exit where you do boss rushes and i think superboss or something.

Which is the worst class in each EO game?

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>>176153542
Characters can pass through each other so this can help in ambush prevention

>>176161985
Dunno, probably hexer for untold
Beast, ronin for untold
Farmer probably
Medic
Reaper

>>176162361
>hexer for untold
Nope

>>176162361
>hexer for untold

The fuck? Is this just because you can't equip 2-3 HP Belts and Revenge the shit out of everything anymore?

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>>176151231
I reset whenever someone desyncs their exp. It's annoying and really stupid, but it really grinds my almonds whenever it happens, so I gotta do it to preserve my sanity.

>>176161985
EO1: haven't played
EO2: beast
EO3: yggdroid (wildling and farmer following)
EO4: bushi
EO5: reaper
EOU: survivalist, probably
EO2U: ronin (or survivalist?)

>>176163563
Probably because for Untold it's hard to pinpoint a class that does its job poorly or lags behind.

>>176139568
>3D
do you max the 3d or put it on a lower setting?

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>you'll never have a cute rushe servant

>>176153960
I found that the series was really exploitable on a whole. I mean the only real source of difficulty in the first game is less from the battles and more from the game forcing you to bring a Knight or else you had to put up with stupid amounts of bloom damage. Take that away and the DS game is about as hard as 2020-II.

>>176171079
>forcing
There's like zero reason to not have knight
Bloom regulators also exist

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>>176171079
Yeah, it was more about attrition for most of the game. If you prepared your party for MN restoration, encounter reduction, and bloom damage negation you were set. I did have some modest trouble starting out up until about the time you pass that mantis bug in the forest though. And the shadow dungeon.
2020 seemed okay until I discovered Destroyer and hacking. It's fun to build synergetic parties but even the dragons aren't really tough enough to necessitate it.

>>176172208
Destroyer was the really broken one in 2020. Hacking didn't really feel all that broken until VFD since you already had Tricksters loading things down with every single ailment in 2020 with their EX skill.

2020-II nerfed Tricksters since their ailments got split between the two ex skills and the other attackers got new toys to play with but Destroyers are still OP so its not really like they fixed anything. Its kind of like EOIV when you think about it.

>>176171932
>There's zero reason to not have Knight
Because of the Bloom and not wanting to bog your inventory down with Bloom Regulators.

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>>176172517
I shunned hacking at first and only used buffs so it was a nice surprise when I found out madstrife was almost as abusable as in VFD if you had someone inflicting weakness to hacking for you. But yeah, simply having to cooperate like that means it's less overpowered than TROY:Fire in VFD

It's too bad the dungeons suffered so much in that game

>>176174459
Hacking was strong in VFD but after while you were better off doing the React loop that that Rogue and its derivatives are known for especially since you had like a ton of shots to fish for it with unlike in say DS and 2020 where the only reliable way to do it was to use your normal attack.

The biggest problem with 7th Dragon is that the enemies simply just don't have enough HP to withstand your assault. Some of time can definitely bite back and kill you especially in DS and 2020-II but you're so strong that they'll probably never get a chance in.

>EO so dead 7th Shit has to keep this place alive

More like 700th damage tile

>>176175778
Worst imperial

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>>176178117

>>176162361
I see people shitting on medic here all the time but I don't know why. Sure, they're worthless for actual fighting but when your top row is confused and dying, it's your medic who fixes them.

>>176180169
because you could use dancer and have the front row already cured

>>176181048
Or you could die to it then wear the accessories.

>>176180169
Dancer if buff slots permit it is a free Refresh/Unbind for 3 turns. Dancers and Arcanists can also double up as healers as well so the only real advantage medic has is the innate Revive and Stardrop.

So EO3 is the best right?

>>176185930
It's weird not seeing girl after best.

Is that link for EO:V in OP's post in English, or is it JP?

So about a month ago I beat the main quest of EO2:U, was pretty satisfied with the whole story and cast. Haven't really been inspired to try post-game quests (mostly because the Thunder Lord or whatever is an asshat and wipes my party out 1/2 / 2/3rds of the way through the fight). Does postgame have anything that really stands out or is it alright to skip over it?

Is EO:IV worth checking out?

>>176187958
I'm playing it right now and having a blast.

>>176187958
EO4 is the easiest in the series but has the most interesting classes outside 5. It also has the worst dungeons too given how disjoint everything is.

>>176163663
I'd rather just straight up lose a fight than to have a character die and not get exp

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Please god let me meet him.

>>176161985
EO: Hexer because infliction formulas are shit
EOII: Landsknecht, Survivalist, Alchemist, Beast - pick your poison
EOIII: Farmer, Yggdroid
EOIV: Bushi, Medic
EOU: Survivalist
EO2U: Ronin
EOV: Fencer

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>>176189534

>>176187958
Aside from some bosses being annoying little shits the EO2U post-game is probably the easiest of them all.
The random encounters are so non-threatening it is sad.

However if you are playing story mode you won't get any events in the dungeon itself. Canonically they never visit Forbidden Woods but go after Fafnir blasting off.
But they do still have restaurant skits whenever they make a new recipe ans some of them are actually kind of nice.

>>176189473
Sometimes they die on the last turn when your actions for killing the boss are already queued up.

Reset, rest or sometimes solo grinding are the only ways to get your XP bars synced up again.
EOV has an accessoire that gives you chump XP for walking so that might also be able to get your bars near even again.

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>>176189534
God is dead.
We killed him in EOII and EO2U.

>>176193712
No.
No male Rickys.

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>>176193712

I just want to cuddle with a kuudere sheep is that too much to ask for?

>>176195183
I hear Wales and New Zealand are good places to look for that.

>>176195708
Ah, I see you know where to go?

>>176195894
Just fly there and follow the "baah"s.

>>176167438
All or nothing.
Intermediate levels are designed for those who can't physically stand the max setting, but realistically those people will play with 3D off anyway.

>>176196337
They will take me to the sheep god?

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>>176196337

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>>176189534
Delet sheep

>>176189906
Specially the last cooking event. Anyway, you also get scenes for DLC quests.

>>176190748
>accessoire
Do we have that many Frenchmen here? That misspelling keeps reappearing.

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>>176195183
Kuuderes really are the best, aren't they?

>>176196506
New Super Mario Bros 2 also has a weird feature where the higher you push the 3D slider the blurrier the background becomes, so there's that.

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My sheep is a bit different.

>>176172208
Is she okay?

>>176198263
One nectar and she'll be good as new

>>176197067
>Specially the last cooking event.
Was it just me or did Chloe sound kind of odd in that one. Like her VA no longer tried for a little girl voice and only read her lines normally.
Or maybe it was because she had to say so much at once...

>>176180169
Medic has the same problem as bushi as is "picking it a subclass works better"

>>176189584
>fencer
>worse than reaper

>>176167438
I just turn it on for the effect, I never max it out.

>>176202059
Reaper poison deletes random encounters, boss summons and deals pretty good damage on FOEs and bosses themselves.

>>176203701
4 girls and one guy, huh?

Is there an EO fans vs EOU fans image?

>>176123296
I'd much rather an SMT Q desu

SMT and its spinoffs were a mistake

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>>176205592

Should I recruit more than one character per class in EMD?
I have my four people in my party and four people at a fort - or can I put multiple groups in forts and they all get experience?

>>176205856
Each fort can hold 4 characters

>>176205941
If someone is stationed at the first dungeon and I am roaming the third dungeon do they still get XP?

>>176205994
Yes
Forts just increase the amount of XP they get, characters all get XP in this game anyway even if they are benched

>>176206059
So basically not maxing out my guild is just a waste of XP.
Thanks.

Holy shit, Provoke seems broken in EMD.
Not only does it look like everyone is forced to attack the Protector, they also get a massive defense buff.

That's what Fortresses and Beasts dream about...

>>176207751
protectors are super broken in emd

>>176207751
Only because monsters seldom have area attacks. Wait for those rabbits that use something akin to galvanic rune and see provoke become exactly the same as taunt.

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>>176204257
No, have this instead.

So if Fire Bulbs kill themselves I do get XP but they don't count for the "kill Fire Bulbs with a solo Protector" quest.
Great.

>>176209964
just come back later, unless burst skill is one of the "hit the whole room" ones it's useless

Is the birthday stream actually confirmed?

>>176210389
>officially mentioned in previous fatlus stream
gee i wonder

>>176210502
what

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>>176210389
lad..

>>176210298
Yeah, I'm planning to do that.
I just thought it was really poorly telegraphed.

It's one of two quests you can do in the second dungeon and since the other one calls for Runemaster it is very likely you will do that one first.
So you go in, kill three Bulbs come back and nothing - so you start trying to figure out why it didn't work. Should I not have talked with other adventurers? Or do I need to kill all of them on one level?
Since you have no experience with this kind of quest (as explained further up) your mind can wander to all kinds of reasons.
And because I got XP for Bulbs but not for the enemies that die in their blast the thought that the self destruct does not as a kill for me really did not cross my mind.

But thankfully we have the internet to look up stuff like that. Still a bit of a shame.

>>176210536
Looks like an interesting anime but why does it have two male MCs?
Is that some Yaoi shit or are they just bros?

>>176210818
It's a traditional MD shtick - unless you kill the monster yourself they don't count

>>176211225
It's amazing how much bullshit gets chalked up us "tradition".
I mean, nothing (too) wrong with self-destructs not counting, but at least they should warn you.

>>176211225
Welp, now I know.
I only ran the dungeon two times so it's not that bad.
And since Protectors seem to level slower than other classes it helped a bit actually.

>>176211619
some pedantic demo would be gay, learn through experience

>>176211720
Is that supposed to make sense?

>>176211092
not everything has to be about sex you fucking goddamn vore scat necro loli pedo gay feet tickle guro homo excuse for a general

>>176212967
someone pissed off the tranny

>>176211619
They just didn't bother explaining here thinking sending the character solo would be enough, actual MD games. at least the vita ones warns you of that

>>176212967
So they are just bros then? You could just have said so.
Damn manga readers getting all pissed off if someone doesn't know the source material...

>>176214441
The other one is a girl too, so what the fuck is your problem

If you haven't obtained all of a monster's drops in EMD, will they missing drops appear by their full name or as "??????" ?

By fooling around in the third dungeon I drove the DOE's there to extinction and I don't know if I should be careful with the ones in different dungeons.

>>176215358
DOEs are just glorified enemies with annoying shield and which need to be dealt with, double amber surge rare breeds are way more dangerous

>>176214613
I'm just bullshitting around.

But the one on the right is a woman? Just taking a glance I thought it was just a bishounen.

Btw. what does "MC" stand for? My mind jumped to "main character" which is most certainly not what it means.
That's how my original shitpost came to be.

>>176215567
I mean careful with not driving them to extinction before obtaining all their drops.
For instance I have wrath bloom here with "scorched petal" as its third drop. I assume this scorched petal is its conditional drop but I don't know if I've obtained it yet. I'd look in the item almanac, but since the sorting there makes no fucking sense I don't think that's a viable solution for every DOE.

EMD has quite a few blue haired women, doesn't it.
I approve - you can never have enough blue hair.

Why can't I jump from town to the geomagnetic pole in stratum 2 in EO V? Or to any of the previous floors for that matter

>>176217606
For the floors you need to show your completed maps to the bishounen prince for him to approve and then you get floor jump.

For the geomagnetic pole I don't know - you probably need the map of the 5th floor for that.

>>176217694
Ah I see, thanks man

Post your least fave portaits?

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>>176217919
Bears are awesome - why do these have to look so derpy?

>>176215958
You can't drive them to extinction, DOEs respawn infinitely, just go between the two floors until they do

How was the brown Protector called? I remember a couple people mentioning a nickname for her in here. I need it.

>>176218625
People call her Peach.
Because of her pink hair and because she is a Protector like Teach.

>>176218770
That's the one. Thanks!

>>176218616
They do not. They can be exhausted and won't come back until you tear down your forts and go back to town.
So I'd like to save myself that trouble whenever possible.

>>176218952
don't sweat the drops in EMD

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>>176217919

>>176221338
this, also unironically

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>>176217919

>>176218952
Like how many DOEs have you murdered, i killed like a dozen and they still kept torrenting in

>>176219273
>5% drop from the dragons
I think you've just saved me a lot of grief.

>>176222991
All of them, apparently. I think it was about ten of them. It was the third dungeon anyway, so other dungeons might have more in store. Actually, there was a DOE there which I never encountered in the end, so I guess I should demolish those forts anyway.

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>>176224951
>living with a taste this shit

I need Dryad art

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>>176225397
no

>>176224570
Onee-chan Medic (fivehead edition)

>>176225397
Plantgirls are the best monstergirls
But not that Monmusu bullshit, that was a disgrace to all plantgirls. Her design was more of a girl than a plant and I'm not about that life.

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>>176226247
Yeah, this fucking thing. I hate her with a passion, and I didn't even think I could. But fuck her and everything she stands for, I will never acknowledge her as a real plant girl
You might think I'm taking this too seriously, and maybe I am.
Fuck her and the guy who made her.

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>>176226158
?

>autists are mad about lmao weed

Why do people think EO2U is the best game when it is so obviously shit?

>>176226550
I cannot make a character in GW2 who is not either sylvari or asura

>>176226416
>Fuck her
I would (even though I mostly agree)...
>and the guy who made her.
Now that is taking it a bit far.
Many of his designs might be shit but he gave us Suu and made monstergirls widely accepted just by pure perverted passion.
This guy is an inspiration.

>>176226638
>people with shit taste like shit game
Truly hard to connect the dots

>>176226615
Really, it's just one autist, me. I know I'm alone in this.
No one will understand my love for plants, fuck.

>>176226638
most QoL
massive class list lets you ignore those that underperform
Bertrand is an actually interesting character, Chloe is better written than expected (at least most of the time)
the stratums are pretty
Arianna is cute

I don't agree to it being the best but there are definitely a lot of things one can enjoy the game for.

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>>176226743
His previous oneshots were better than that harem shit anyway.

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>>176227040
Harem shit sells, sadly. And it gets people talking in pretend waifu wars.

I enjoy 12 Beasts more than MonMusu and it does a good job rotating through girls.
Just adding to a harem makes things slow down to a crawl since all of them need to be kept relevent...

>>176226743
I guess, I haven't even watched the show yet, desu, I just saw the design for the plant and kinda shut it down from my mind. But you understand where I'm coming from, at least a bit?
Have you been in /wsr/ lately? There was a request to color a plantgirl and it also looks fucking horrible >>311636
Make the plant first, then the girl.
I think other monstergirls are fine as they are with more human like features, so they don't look too much like furries.

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>>176226158
>Her design was more of a girl than a plant
Nothing wrong with that.

>>176227260
Then what you're asking for is some sort of plant furry, right? A barky for shorts.

>>176227260
>desu
Fucking wordfilters, i didn't say that

>>176227487
There is a line somewhere in my mind that I can't quite place, but Kii is just so far in the wrong side it hurts

>>176227260
She looks like the fairy/artist chick from Pokemon SuMo with some leaves slapped at her.
Has some Adam and Eve vibe - but even Kupala is more of a plantgirl than her.

>>176227684
She's also rooted to the ground.

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>>176227260
The show is fun for as long as it lasts.
But the manga drags on a bit.

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Remove salad.

>>176226843
treehugger pls

>>176227661
So what's your judgement on Sentinels?

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>>176227684
>comparing some yggdrasil curse slut to artist waifu

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>>176227661
>>176228869
Shit, I meant Vessels.

>>176229002
Why is she even getting leaves slapped onto her? There are at least two requests for her in green over at /wsr/.

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>>176228869
bunny waifus never ever
>>176229034
>this
>best twig
no

>>176229034
They're not too much like humans, so they're fine. I have an the same arcanist in my EOIV team

>>176229591
>too much like humans
>pretty much a very malnourished human with pointed ears

>>176229705
I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite there if I'm honest, they don't look like plants one bit. But I want to believe

>>176229705
I can understand him.
They have different ears, different skin color and some accessories that make them more outlandish.

Most monstergirls are not that far from being human while still having some very distinct qualities.

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Remove plants
Like in no game ever plants ever did anything good

>>176230179
There are often tasty fruit in the first stratum.
They sometimes even heal your TP.

>>176226158
Her anime design looks more like cosplay than anything

Teleporter floors are objectively bad game design

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>>176230436
Plantgirls are hard if you need to draw them over and over.
To make them feel planty you would need to go for a different kind of skin like GW2's Sylvari. But that isn't easy to draw.

With animals you can go for eyes, ears, horns, claws and sometimes patches of fur or scales which works if you mix it with human-like skin.
But plants don't have something like that.
Most people do is give them green skin and a flower in their hair and call it a day.

>>176231042
Having more than 10 teleporters but only giving the player numbers from 0-9 is objectively retarded game design.

>tfw I'm a casual and EOU2 and EO4 are my favorites because they're the casualest
It's not like I ever played on picnic or anything but going back to EO3 is just a downgrade in experience outside of the music

>>176231564
So is the silent majority

>>176231564
Actually playing on EO2U pcnic is a miserable insult no matter how casual you are.
EOU's Picnic could make for a casual playthrough but only just. Standard should be enough even in that case.

And yes, it's not surprising that a DS game can not hold up to a 3DS game in terms of QoL.
The DS games are still good games but you need to be able to stomach them properly.

>>176231237
The sad truth. Someday I will draw the perfect plantgirl, mark my words...

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>>176232951

>>176233506
Legend of the Meme Queen was amazing and cancer at the same time.
I wish there were more like it but I guess the novelty would run thin quickly.

>>176231564
I think EOU on Standard is easier than EO2U on Standard.
Lowering the difficulty takes the edge out of most EOU encounters while the "do the right thing or I punish you" gimmick of EO2U does not get toned down that much.

>>176233932
There was one other I read years ago, and it really brings you back to 2007
http://thedoujin.com/index.php/pages/988?Pages_page=32

>just made it to stratum 4 in original etrian odyssey
Why is my enthusiasm destroyed

>>176235714
You just made it there?
The torture is only about to begin.

I hope you like fighting FOEs. Lots and lots of FOEs.

>>176235857
>immunize
I've beaten every foe and boss on the first try

>>176236110
Oh, they aren't hard.
The emphasis was on lots and lots of them...

>>176236110
>using immunize

>>176236759
>not using immunize

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>you'll never milk a bunny

>>176237010
>being so bad at RPGs you actively have to look up the most broken builds in order to succeed.

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>>176238063

>>176238549
>actually using skills is bad, mkay

>>176238549
>look up
Because Immunize is the most obscure tactic there ever was in EO.
It's such a meme at this point even people that don't know what an Etrian Odyssey is have heard how broken Immunize is.

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>>176238063
>you'll never be milked by a bunny

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>>176240062
>no source

>>176204701
Then let's hope Persona 5 doing well translates to SMT games doing well too.

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>>176240062
>>176238063

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>>176240779
delet this

>>176240485
Last time the source was posted it had some... interesting reactions.

>>176240876
>Last time the source was posted
literally where

>>176240876
Does cause panic status?

>>176240876
sauce is artist cg tab on sadpanda

>>176240978
The way it's drawn and the way the anon worded it I'm sure its the scat thing from xpanda.

>>176241029
No, but it binds your hands.

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>>176241197
>scat
this again

>>176241029
It caused the scat discussion ailment.

>>176241324
Having an ass that big is unbefitting for a princess, no wonder her family sent her to die.

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>>176241935
>not liking cute girls with big asses
What a fag

>>176238549
>What kind of casual uses optimal builds? I play every RPG with all physical mage team.

You know what a cool class would be, an analyzer.
They use a skill that tell you what kind of attack the enemy will use next turn.

>>176244137
That's the swingiest skill ever.
If you have stuff like Barrier and the Walls, it makes every boss a complete joke.
If you only have stuff like Material Guard you are fighting with four people in order to prevent recovery turns after guessing wrong.

It's like Dark Ether spam, leaving you short-handed to ignore a game mechanic you should build your team around.

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>>176239762
>>176242557
Why am I not surprised EO general is filled with shitters?

>>176241935
>Having an ass that big
On what planet is that a big butt?

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>>176246264
ireland

I just learned why EOII and EOIII never made it to Europe - they actually localised EO into different languages instead of simply giving the NA version to everyone.
It certainly was a different time back then...

Nowadays they don't even manage to localize EOV into English.