/scg/ /edg/ Elite Citizen: Star Dangerous General #161

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1st for ARE NIGE

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>>176082818
fear the almighty conda

How will stealth work in SC?

>2M agitator contract to hack a settlement data terminal
>Sooper sekret you'll be contacted with encrypted comms for the location when you get to the system
>OH GEE I WONDER IF IT'S GOING TO BE THE HUGE PENAL COLONY WITH THE 3KM TRASPASS ZONE AND FOUR ANACONDAS GUARDING IT WITH RAILGUNS THAT CAN SOMEHOW BULLSEYE AN SRV
>jump to the specified system
>It's the penal colony

>>176082902
that fucking jump range

>>176082906
Your IR and EM signatures vs. their ability to detect those signal levels at their range.

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>>176082902

>>176082902
Delicious god roll

>>176082902
>>176082967
>>176083003
>>176083009

71 is unattainable by any means, not even a max primary and godly secondary will get you that far on an expo stripped conda.

He's in a white dwarf system and boosted from the polar jets before docking. Actual jump range is what... 47.38LY?

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>>176053891
I always make fun of E:D but that is cool af tbqh famalia

>>176084363
yeah they don't fuck around too much. saved me several million credits now

>>176082543
I'm way behind on this stuff - how much of the stuff coming in 3.0 is the stuff they said would be in 3.0 last year? Is it all in there?

If so: hyyyyyyyype

>>176085178
It's getting almost everything but 3 planets.

I dont get it, why are Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous in the same general?

I want that Federal Whatever that anons outfitted with all multi-cannon last year. But travelling back to bubble is ugh...

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>>176085348
Elite is boring and there's nothing interesting to talk about. Star Citizen is still deep in development and everything interesting is going to happen later. By the power of both being Space Sims, we can just about keep this general alive together on hatred and hype, respectively.

>>176085348
The two games orbit each other around the drain of oblivion. ED doesn't have enough gameplay to sustain a general on it's own. SC isn't actually a game, so a waiting room doesn't fare any better. Together, the two balance each other out and keep the thread going. In addition, the worst parts of /vg/ don't seem to last here because there is not one single target to take the general out with..

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>>176082912
>transport mission
>Oh no CMDR, somebody tipped off the pirates, because that doesn't happen 100% of the time on every transport mission
>Piratey McFuccboi: Muh big haul!
>interdicked
>Piratey McFuccboi: Drop 1000cr worth of cargo or the shooting starts.
>entire content of hold is 8 tons of biowaste, total value: 64 credits
>am in a dirty CMkIII
>pirate is in an Ass Scoot
>Piratey McFuccboi:Hey where are you going!

It's a different kind of stupid now, but the pirate AI is still fucktarded.

>>176085348
Lumped together eons ago for the lack of popularity on their own. I bet all previous threads are filled to 90% with SC fans getting overhyped all the time and ED fans whining about boredom and quitting.

Also, both games have THE VISION.

>>176085763
LOOK AT THIS DAD

>losing interdicking
>ever

>>176086065
>not just submitting and boosting away because it's faster
>not knowing that the AI will reappear from your destination instead of behind you now, making it impossible for them to catch you again before you drop out of supercruise

>>176086065
Sometimes it's just not fucking worth trying, like when you're in an Anaconda and the guy interdicting you is in literally anything else. I'm not sure the capabilities of an Asp or Cobra because I skipped both, but it does sound pretty shameful.

>>176086380
An NPC in an asp scout has a top speed of like 300. ~225 if he has pips to weapons and is trying to shoot you. A G5 dirty drive modded Cobra will do around 580. It'd be hilarious. You're out of weapons range before his hardpoints even finish deploying and can return to supercuirse immediately.

>>176083409
71 is attainable. There's a bunch of people hovering in the high 60s in functional explorer builds. All this dude did was gut the interior completely.

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>>176086380
Aren't all ships the same in supercruise? Just throttle to blue and you'll be done with it in seconds.

The only reason to do otherwise is if you have mines on all hardpoints and feel a little sadistic for all the interdicks you get. Then boost away and let them have it.

>>176086774
>Aren't all ships the same in supercruise?

HAHAHA no.

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>>176086774
ya good luck trying to do that fucking mini game in an Imperial Cutter, but at least nothing can mass lock you

has anything happened with that weird fed ship fucked up by Thargloids by Maia or is it just another oh look its NOTHING again?

Is there a comprehensive table of ships with their max speeds, range and such like coriolis - but not abandoned?

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>>176085348
Because they're competing for the place of second fiddle to EVE Online.

>>176086773
Absolute max is 66-67LY, and this requires stripping everything, carrying no equipment (not even explore scanners) AND getting god rolls on both the FSD and lightweight mods:

http://beta.coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/anaconda?code=A0p3tiFklnd3sxf5----------------------------.AwRj4yu6g%3D%3D%3D.Aw18ZVA%3D.H4sIAAAAAAAAA2MWWsDPwCBSI8rA8J9F6Mad%2F%2F%2F%2FswkdeACk%2FjMwMAAAdAoTpx4AAAA%3D.EweloBhBmSQUwIYHMA28QgIwV0A%3D

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>>176082967
>>176083409
>>176086773

I'm hitting 63 with twice the stock fuel loadout and non-optimal module loadouts.

My FSD roll gave me 54.4% range but increased the unit weight

with a more perfect roll and better build I honestly believe 75LY is possible

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>>176088973

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBD7txMVbxs

>>176090810
The FSD range mod always adds weight, and it's not possible to avoid a large weight increase alongside a max range roll because the RNG does balance the penalties against the bonuses.

A perfect G5 FSD roll is +50% optimal with a +5% secondary (+55% total) and %40-ish mass increase by having an integrity penalty that is balanced by a mass decrease. The coriolis link reflects this.

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>>176092189

Well then, like I said, my roll was almost perfect but not quite. I am still hitting 63 with 2x the fuel and suboptimal modules.

>>176085693
>the worst parts of /vg/ don't seem to last here because there is not one single target to take the general out with..
even generals that deal with entire genres suffer from the usual problems, though I do like it here a lot better than most generals

>>176092846
>Range: 44.53LY

You know we're talking about the range without any synth or star boosts, right?

>>176093707

this is a pre 2.3 build I can't post my current build since I am 23k ly away from sol. I thought you might understand this.

>>176095083
>what is the systems panel

>>176085763
Even worse is that harmless eagles/adders/cobras will still interdick your combat elite corvette for these dumb missions. The game systems in this are retard tier. It's even an Elite combat rank passenger mission.
>>176086065
>Not submitting to kill them for the 'extra mission' credits and to make them go away and not interdick you every 7s

>running salvage missions in a shitbox dadbra in indie space below space chinaman's area
>get Peregrina permit from reaching allied with one of the factions
>may as well check it out
>enormous exclusion zone around the ELW orbiting the gas giant
>extends most of the way to the station

What the shit. What are they hiding?

>>176085675
Fuck off goon

>>176082543
reminder that i blew $180 so I could get a slightly better ship in what'll never get past being a sandbox deathmatch

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3.0 was supposed to fix everything, but its intended features won't be in until early 2018. Just end it now.
Seriously though, I can easily see the release of that gutted shitfest patch being a PR nightmare.

>>176106438
I can't tell if these posts are about ED or SC anymore.

>>176107046
ED is only coming up to 2.4.
Also, all ED posting has pretty much disappeared.

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What they've done with the new roadmap compared to the old one is that 3.0 is broken up into 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 which essentially makes makes it 3.0+
(the + due to the fact that there are a few ships/mechanics/bits of tech that'll make it in during the next 7 months that wasn't to be introduced in the original 3.0 roadmap)

>>176107113
>most of this thread is ED
>ED's 3.0 is due early 2018
>ED patches are gutted shitfests that cause PR backlash

>>176107479
>ED's 3.0 is due early 2018
xD
please.

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>>176107461

Well... the next 7 months if they don't shit the bed like they did with 2.6 and have to spend another 3 months beyond the original targeted date..!

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Threadly reminder that SC has a critical lack of skintight suits.

>>176109776
A B S A N D P E C S

Will SC being designed to being able to be played on a Console controller hold back the FPS portion?

>>176110874
SCs fps is designed for KB/M, theres way the fuck too many buttons for a controller and more coming.

Just started ED

I'm poor and I just keep doing cargo missions

what should i be doing, id like to eventually to bounty missions

what ship am i looking to get

>tfw the Robigo Exploit got patched in 2.3

Robigo Exploit = Go to Robigo, take smuggling missions, abandon them, sell slaves back to black market, net increase in money and reputation.

Apparently I was taking slaves, gluing stupid mustaches to them, and then selling them right back to the guys I bought them from for a profit.

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>>176109776
Skintight suits are for dumdums

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>>176111852
Depends what you're into.
The hobo phase is the honeymoon phase when everything is unknown and looks/feels amazing.

Attached is the latest in ribbit ship progression chart manufacturing. Take a look.

Best way to earn money early is do a couple of stupid cargo missions and then buy a combat ship and start blasting pirates. Also youtube has lots of tutorial vids on how to get started.

Enjoy the Vision™, CMDR o7

>>176112329
Sweet, thats perfect anon, thanks

is there guilds or groups in this game to join?
im having fun, zero idea what im doing but its comfy

>>176111852
I don't even know how fast the credits flow for newbies now. When the game first came out you'd make 1k for hauling 4 tons or 500cr for delivering data. Progress was slow enough that it was worth investing in an Eagle to speed things up, which despite being a combat ship also has better everything else over a sidewinder. The Adder didn't exist then otherwise it would be the natural next step as a multipurpose ship. Now though, if you can skip all the way to a Cobra MkIII doing something like killstealing from the space cops, you should since it's the best all-rounder until you're a millionaire.

>>176112693
I think this is my third mission and i'm up to 200k

i was gonna get the viper but if you think the cobra is better ill buy either

>>176113059
That's up to you. The Viper MkIII is combat specialized so you won't be doing much else in it, which limits your income options. The Cobra can fight, just not as well as the Viper. A fighter alternative to the Viper is the Diamondback Scout, which is more maneuverable and has god tier heat management so it can abuse silent running if it loses shields.

>>176112329
Did someone ever consider dumping info like this, or FAQs etc, onto a big OP image like some generals?

>>176111852
Check passenger lounge on stations that you visit. I don't know what it's like in the bubble, but maybe there will be transport or sightseeing missions that pay a few hundred thousand each - then you might want to get something like Dolphin and do these for quick money. It's surprisingly profitable in Jaques - but that's too far and too early to just casually travel on starting ships.

In general, what you are looking for is a station that has plenty of hassle-free missions going to the and star system - check those that aren't available and why. Then work with them doing crap like Data couriering to improve your faction rep and get more and better paying missions.

>>176112329
>iCurry
>nonexistent cargo capacity
>shit jump range
>shieldwall
>interceptor-tier muderboat
>multipurpose

>>176113059
Viper was a valid choice back in beta when it was the fastest ship in the game. Since dadbra3 took that title there's really no reason to get a viper unless you LOVE combat and want to do nothing but combat. Dadbra will be your ship until you want to get something else.

Guys i just ran out of fuel and now fuel rats are helping me

this game is great

>flying snek-named ships
o7 and good dad to you, commandos

>>176114020
They put the Viper-3 on a diet a couple patches ago. It's not that much slower on boost than the Cobra-3 now.

>>176114182
Why did you accept help from filthy redditors instead of honourably self-destructing?

It's the last thing in the right panel in "functions", so you only have to press up once.

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>>176114463
Fuck you fag
fuel rats are my boys

homeboy just came out here, fueled my shit up and told me how to get to the next hub and told me about fuel scoops

>>176115308
You are supposed to admit your stupidity, learn about fuel management and self-destruct to clear your conscience.

Fuel rats are pretty cool though, ready to go thousands of light years if some idiot needs rescue.

>>176115708
If you kill yourself do you lose your money

>>176114517
Those torpedos are for blowing cargo hatches open, aren't they?

"Open" as in "inside out". Still, picking on a harmless NPC truckie is just mean.

>>176115791
I doubt that it's any different from any other destruction. Ship repurchase cost plus missions lost (fines for failure where applicable).

>>176115925
If that's an engineered ship, then those are reverb cascade torps, which are nasty. When they hit your shields, they deal damage directly to your shield generator. 6 hits are enough to knock the shields of any ship offline. One of the few weapons the PVP community frowns upon, the others being heat weapons and healing beams.

>newbfag
>figure I'd try exploration for once
>look up exploration guide on youtube
>first video is 55 minutes
>second is 25.
WHAT IS IT WITH FUCKING ELITE PLAYERS AND MAKING SHITTY LONG WINDED YOUTUBE VIDEOS? NIGGA HOW HARD IS IT TO WRITE DOWN THE POINTS YOU NEED TO MAKE AND PUT THEM IN A SNAPPY SHORT VIDEO? THERE IS NO WAY THAT THERE'S EVEN 20 MINUTES WORTH OF INFO IN THAT FUCKING HOUR LONG VIDEO.

anyone know if theres a star citizen ship pack out there for stellaris?

>>176116778
Exploration has 3 simple steps
Honk
Scan
Jump

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>>176113628
You're two years too late.
We used to have a decent OP. There's a shallow remnant of it in the OP pastebin.

Just join the discord and we'll give you the rundown.

>>176113861
You know there is only one ship chart that will remain relevant and true.

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>>176116778
I'll simplify it for you:

- Get a ship suitable for exploration (see some chart about ships and differences). You want as little mass for maximum jump range.
- Gut out the internals, max out the FSD
- You need a fuel scoop and maybe auto field maintenance units for hairy situations.
- Check galaxy map for something interesting, maybe a nebula
- Start plotting a course
- Always 0 throttle when jumping so you don't end up into the star.

Also find something to watch on the side. Check out some series you've been trying to get into, or if you like cartoons like a 6 year old you can watch anime I hear that works out too.

Also see >>176117072
See the picture for what to scan and what to just leave unscanned.

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>>176117382
I think I went dadwinder to Eagle to DBS to Vulture... to iCourier, Orca and Aspie. Then fucked off far away and now have a Dolphin and... a passenger Python.
(pic related)

Also, I miss the good old OP and its Sir Braben shops to tears.

>>176118027
I was stuck in a Cobra for a long time (the courier and DBS wasn't in the game yet at the time) and finally just traded it in for a T6 and was fucking pissed when I found out the T6 was more maneuverable. I used that T6 back when Sothis was discovered, made two runs and traded it in for an A rated AspX and a day later, a Python and an Orca for shits and giggles.

I miss Sothis/Ceos.

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>>176118027

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>>176117559
Yeah I found that picture but honestly, I'm not sure if my eyes are shitty, but there are so many similar shades of brown / blueish.
How am I to distinguish that purple Class I Gas giant with a ring from that purple Class III Gas giant? In short: How can I tell when I'm in a system if it's worth driving to some planets or not?
On the chart it looks kinda like the ones that are more worth are all somewhat smaller?

Pic related. it's where I am right now

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>>176117559
Oh and one thing I forgot: The lower left planets in the imagine say "terr" is that for "terraformed"? How can I distinguish that?

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>>176119245
It's 'terraformable'.
I don't think you can distinguish it before you scan (not an explorer though), just by mad luck you get them.

>>176089948
>absolute max
>stripped everything
>has a 5C fuel tank
kek

That puts it at 69.8. You only engineered 3 things too. Some of the other engineered materials become lightweight and boost the range. That's why one dude can hit 71.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/261356-Post-your-Jump-Range

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>>176116778
I'll add: you need at least advanced discovery scanner. If you plan to fuck about a system and scan planets, then detailed surface scanner too. As you can see from the table >>176117559 (are these 1st discovery pricing?): ammonia, high metal content, water and earth-like worlds pay the most.

On jump set yourself to go on a tangent star without crossing the yellow line (if it's scoopable), honk and check the system map (Y + → on a controller). If there is no name on the star label - it's your chance to be the 1st. Slow down, point your ship at the star and target it.

If it's a multi-star system and the next one is within a few thousand ly, you can easily scan those too. Planets require you to fly up very close - thus taking considerably more travel time. Do mind that system map shows distance from the star and actual planet configuration might have you flying across the whole system back and forth if you want to check them one by one - so it's better to use your nav panel to see what's the nearest interesting planet.

Since 2.3, white dwarfs provide 50% FSD boost and neutron stars provide 300%. Check some youtubes on how to do it.

Always make sure that you have enough fuel for a few jumps, while exploring interesting objects like black holes (or prior to 2.3 neutron stars), because you might find yourself in a region of non-Main Sequence stars which you can't scoop.

You lose all discovery data when your ship is destructed. You don't get a "FIRST" until you have sold data on a station.

Some engineers (Farseer, Martuuk, Jean, Tah, Palin, Jameson and The Sarge - according to Inara) count selling exploration data at their stations towards unlocking better tiers - but you need to be acquainted with them.

>>176120381
I'm basically doing exploring right now to unlock engineers. Got both scanners, fucking about the systems. set my route to ignore unscoopable stars and doing "just a quick round" right now so that the fuckers will even talk to me.
I''ll be honest exploring seems somewhat tedious to me, like a fucking data entry job, I much prefer fighting or space trucking. But I guess if I want better ships I need the engineers.

>>176120829
you could do passenger missions to gain exploration rank

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Quince is back on the menu, lads. I guess ftroop didn't patch stacking after all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51cm0lVxsf0

>>176122882
Holy shit. The 3 mission limit only applies after you board hop. You can take all the available missions in a single session.

>>176122882
tried that but it's really uncommon to get a mission board with more than 5 scanner missions.

>>176123252
If you are really stuck, you can take off, go out of the slot, and dock again. That will reset the counter also, but takes too long. You could stack 20 multi-million dollar missions the latter way though.

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Blue hat, blue socks, blue shoes, too cool

shinrarta dezhra is so 3302

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>>176122882
did it a bit more and it seems to be about 20-30 million per hour more than passengers, a lot more work though

>>176127286
Pandadra - Vulgar Display of Grind

>>176127286
But how do you get engie parts? Money doesn't buy everything, you know.

>>176129703
Missions sometimes have them as rewards. Destroyed ships drop type specific parts
Mining the planets with an SRV
Scanning beacons in signal sources
Scanning intel points on planets

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>>176129703
high value signal sources in systems of necessary states, perfectly safe base 'intrusions', EDDB-searched bodies with high concentrations of certain mats, and (potentially anarchic) hazres provide literally everything one could require for present engineering. if one knows where to look for a material they can find it reasonably quickly except for exquisite focus crystals and biotech conductors because they fucked up the missions again

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Alright lads. I'm on my way back to the bubble from my trip to Sagittarius A. I'm currently docked at an outpost around 17500ly away from Sol.
I could sell my scanned data for 70 million right now or take the risk and travel back for more scans and bigger profit. I only have a fully upgraded Vulture for rape and the Diamondback Explorer I'm currently flying, so this is big money for me.
I'm tending to go for it and sell the data back in the bubble for max shekels. What should I do?

>>176132232
sell immediately there will be no difference in profits

>>176132523
Really? I thought the profit would increase with travelled away distance from the scanned object.

>>176132787
no this isn't the case. just get what money you can now, head back and scan and what on your way, then sell that shit in the bubble. you'll end up with the same amount of credits as far as i'm aware.

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>>176132967
Thanks. That takes a load of my mind.

>inb4 anon realises quite how big of a horrible mistake he has made and fucked himself out of millions

>>176134230
How so?

>>176122882
I thought you had to make it back with the data otherwise you won't get credited. Killing yourself to spawn at the station quicker really works?

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>>176134230
>someone would do that
>just go on the internet and tell lies

>>176134230
it's not like exploring is a good way of making money anyways

>>176135096
They increased payout i think

>>176134882
I try to land just out side the trespass zone so the outpost defenses kill me off immediately.

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Could Ftroop been any more lazy with the asteroid bases?
I just found my first one since they added them and fuck its just a rock with a mail slot and the same fucking layout of any other big starbase.
this shit is disapointing i was hoping for a wierd shamble of pads scattered around over the surface kinda like on the planet bases and maybe just maybe the base would be slowly spinning so you would have to match the rotation with your ship kinda like landing on a carrier in DCS or some shit but no we get re-skinned Coriolis

>>176132232
>>176134230
The only reason to keep the data is to sell it to engineers for unlocks.

>>176135990
Every station is spinning. Your ship automatically corrects.

You can even toggle this on and off at will

>>176136143
ya but i meant more noticeable since it would be on the outside of the station instead of the inside like all the other copy pasta stations

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>you doesn't own a dragonfly

Are you just going to walk around planetside? kys

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A couple of questions:
What ship/loadout is good for pve ass-kicking these days? What would you pick if A-class modules, engineers and superpower ships weren't available?

>>176137108
I have an Ursa, poorfag

>>176139256
>Ursa
>Not still a poorfag
My Lynx laughs at you from inside the hold of my Phoenix, peasant.

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>Reclaimer is favorite ship
>Always put off buying it because I'm dubious it will ever actually release
>Check back to SC after a few month break
>its actually modeled and textured
>don't know when it's going to go on sale again

aaaaaa

I want to be a comfy space garbage man

>>176139408
You can just get it on the grey market at or even below cost.

>>176139394
>Phoenix
>Ever even making it to planetside

>>176139720

I have 300 ish dollars in ships I want to melt down for it

>>176140080
Melt your ships for an LTI Aquila and buy an Aquila->Reclaimer CCU?

>>176140189

Is there an LTI aquila for sale?

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On my way to Quince, 30 jumps to go... I didn't realize getting Hauler would be so much faster than in dad ship of all time: Corba MK III. This kinda changed my opinion of the game. What's the purpose of buying expensive ship if a cheap shit can outperform it navigation wise?

Also what is this? Random request..?

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>>176140919
>current year
>not having an LTI token, at least in the unmelt list

What the fuck does ship integrity do i can only fix it by manually going into the repair screen to select it same with paint?

>>176142546
I think it makes the ship look more and more worn and used as it decreases.

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Uhh, Star Commandos, I don't want to rain on your parade, but weren't all ships promised as purchasable with in-game money when the actual game comes to exist?

I'd wait for that if I were you.

>>176142381
She's an engineer. You can check the list in the right panel. Location and initial requirements should be listed there too.

>>176142764
Might want to work on making your posts more comprehensible to the neurotypical

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>>176142381
cheaper ships can absolutely outperform fantastically more expensive vessels in their ability to quickly trudge across the stars. the diamondback explorer is pretty much toe to toe with an asp E for exploration at this moment in several ways, though anacondas are still the kings of raw jump distance. their supercruise performance and ability to handle gravity wells make other choices very attractive, however. i've always liked exploring in a clipper, the cockpit isn't beat.

i think elvira martuuk does FSDs?

>>176142390

I have 3 lti ships but it doesn't show the reclaimer as available to upgrade

>>176084363
Literally a snippet of what this game could be if NOT FOR FORUMDADS FUCK

>>176142764
a 50 bedroom mansion is purchasable by anyone

just because you could doesn't mean you will be able to

>>176143232
Like I said, if you want it right now you have to get it from the grey market. Though CCUs are usually sold at like 10-20% markup there.

Doctor Doctor Engineer Smart PhD. might be Technologically correct

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>>176142764
Any ship that's been sold has been promised to be purchasable in Star Citizen proper. So ships like the Bengal, Pegasus, Retribution, F8 Lightning, and whatever the cruiser will be do not have to be purchasable in-game.

>>176122882
Just tried this method.

First run 7 mil, second 10, third 8, fourth 12. Averaging about 9-10 mil per run. With the passenger missions I was doing about 7-8 in my Beluga.

Now I can sell the Beluga and pick up nearly a fully loaded forumdad slayer FDL. I'm also sitting on 170 mil. 30 more mil for an explorer Conda.

FUCK YEAH time to finally start playing this game.

>>176143186
DBX is superior to ASPX in jump range. Price wise they are about the same. 15 mil for DBX and about 18 mil for ASPX both loaded. However ASPX has a *much* better fuel scoop, is faster, and more internal space for shit like shield genny just in case you don't fuck up docking.

>>176143186
>quickly trudge

nigger with a thesaurus

>>176144000

You do realize it's only a matter of time until CIG places the F8 on sale right?

>>176146354
And then they'll have to have it available in the game somewhere for purchase, yes. Right now it's not on the list of needs. That said, I hope they don't place it on sale at any time, but that doesn't mean I think they won't.

>>176146354
one can only hope
i have hold on buying any small fighters just for the F8

>>176146476
>>176146513

The lore behind the F8 is that it is UEE's primary fighter. No civilian should be able to own one (legally). If enough dads beg for it on the pledge store, you know Ben will put it there.

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>>176146354
>t-they'll put the F8 Lightning up for sale even though they said they never would because they're super greedy like that!
>any day now!

>>176147254
Key word is "if"

>>176147254
they also said ship prices would never be cheaper and now there is warbond versions

>>176148430
When did they say that?

Also, are you really crying about a small discount for people buying with cash, and comparing that to selling ships alluded to be military only by lore?

>>176148764
>In the future, the ship price will increase and the offer will not include Life Time Insurance or these extras.
In every concept sale.

>>176148764
>small discount for people buying with cash
it isnt a discount you dummy
they just raised the price for use of store credit

>>176148430
>Warbond versions take off $10
>a discount from ship prices that have already increased from when they were first available

>>176148764
JAV and Idris were military only and look what happened

>thinking lore will get in the way of sales

>>176149748
>look what happened

Indeed, I too fear the terror that a stripped out civillian Idris or Jav will unleash upon a system

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>>176142894
"Neurotypical" doesn't apply to you, so why bother?

>>176143308
Ah, I'm not masturbating to this game's ships, so I don't really know what each one is. At least >>176139408 wanting "to be a comfy space garbage man" didn't imply it to be something huge and impressive. Well, it's your money, do whatever with it, then.

How did the prices change over time, by the way? Do the older ships go down in price, do they put them on sale from time to time?

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I'm such a noob OR the game is obscure. What am I supposed to do in this mission? I finally got to Quince and picked up two surface scanning missions but I have no idea what to scan, should I find a navigation beacon?

>>176149748
So the F7A is for sale right

>>176149989
IIRC, the F7A was available during a Veteran's Day fundraiser.

Even then, the UEE replaced it with the F8.

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>>176149915
Okay got it... Now the damn marker disabled suddenly and I dropped from glide. Fuck this shit.

>>176149915
That blue UI.... how?

>>176149868
Feel free to fuck off anytime if you're here to purely shitpost, goonite

>>176150203
No, it was just a bodykit you can apply to a Hornet to make it look like a F7A.

>>176149867
>implying you cant buy UEC right now for money and basically be ready by the time the game is out

>>176150336
Gotta select and highlight it from the navi menu newfag

>>176150203
No, it wasn't.
>>176149868
>Spoonfeed me so I can shitpost some more!
why

>>176149989
and they are done selling new ships right

>>176150491
Yes it was.

>>176150404
Money isn't the limiting factor, and you have a UEC cap.

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>>176150610

>>176150336
Check your messages, you have some unread ones in top left. That's where mission-related ones go.

First you need to travel to a target system, then you get a message about the body where you have to supercruise around until a next update - and I forgot what's next, but I think you should get a surface marker, that goes "scanning" for a bit then moves to another location a few times until an outpost appear. Shitty thing is that it might move below your ship.

But anyway, check messages.

>>176150338
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
<GraphicsConfig>
<GUIColour>
<Default>
<LocalisationName>Standard</LocalisationName>
<MatrixRed> -1, 0.18, 1 </MatrixRed>
<MatrixGreen> 1, 0.75, -1 </MatrixGreen>
<MatrixBlue> 1, -0.25, -1 </MatrixBlue>
</Default>
</GUIColour>
</GraphicsConfig>

Add this to your "GraphicsConfigurationOverride.xml" which is in %appdata%\local\Frontier Shekels\Options\Graphics or something.

>>176150612
>150,000 UEC maximum cap as of right now
>that is basically $1500 USD PER account
>not enough to buy weapons for 1 ship

wew lad

>>176150858
You can hit 'windows+r' to open run menu and then just paste %appdata% there and it opens explorer for you. Then navigate to 'local'. It's pretty handy.

>>176117559
>terraformable water world worth more than an ELW that's already ready for settlement

dafuq

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>>176150867
>$1500
Anon...

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>>176150858
I also recommend installing latest ReShade. Install it to /Elite Dangerous/Products/elite-dangerous-64.

Injecting extra SMAA and FXAA smooths out the crap antialiasing the game has unless you want to use downsampling. Also adding bit of exposure + magical glow helps with the space themed shit. The glow can be bit too intensive in places but still.

>https://reshade.me/#download

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>>176150338
>mfw I returned here solely to peddle my green UI that has reds and no one cared about it.

>>176151053
i thought it was two thousand UEC per $20

>>176151053
math and shiet

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Can we get a mustang delta with living quarters of the mustang beta and call it the mustang omega?

The mustang current omega needs to be bumped down to epsilon let's be honest

>>176152034
Nope. $1 USD is 1000 UEC. It's likely to change as they balance the currency, but that's the exchange rate right now. You can check on RSI.com's store under "In Game" "Game Credits." Or, if you're already in the store menus, "Extras" "United Earth Credits."

>>176152736
I believe you but it is almost irrelevant. People can buy a large ship such a hull e and then sell it once the game is out to finance the guns for their javelin

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>>176151771
You have illegal passenger, Sir. I must get your current location ASAP.

>>176142546
Low integrity makes your ship more susceptible to damage. At 0% integrity you effectively take 30% more damage.

Paint is paint. The only mechanical effect it has is that the cops are more likely to scan run-down looking ships.

>>176153570
True, but I don't see how you could possibly stop that if someone really wants to do it. That said, having a bigger ship with better guns doesn't necessarily mean you're going to have a good time flying it. Just look at the Retaliator, for instance.

>>176144338
DBX used to have worse jump range but like two patches ago they cut down its hull mass and gave it an extra class 2 internal so it now jumps significantly better than the AspX and can actually run AFMU+SRV+Shield in an explorer fit. Class 4 scoop for a 32T fuel tank is suffering though.

>>176153903

>Low integrity makes your ship more susceptible to damage. At 0% integrity you effectively take 30% more damage.

They should really explain this better.

>>176085348

For years there were no space sims at all. Then Braben and Roberts (both with a ton of street cred in PC space sim games) came out with proposals at the same time.

So naturally ED and SC were contrasted and saw each other as competitors. What else in PC gaming was there? There was a time when a joystick/HOTAS was a default piece of gamer PC equipment-- as in like everyone had one, it was assumed if you bought a gamer pc you'd of course have one. So for the space sim crowd, those were both promising approaches in a total desert.

The argument was that Elite Dangerous was going to have far fewer features but it would be DONE and done more or less on time. Star Citizen was incredibly, almost stupidly ambitious-- and it was really fucking obvious that it would be incredibly, almost stupidly late.

OK so fast forward. That's exactly how it's played out. ED is out now, it's the game you can talk about today and play today as a final, done product. Not even everything that was promised, but not bad and at least it exists. SC is coming together nicely and delivering on its promises-- but also is still not going to come out at least for another couple years. The playable alpha is fun but still not done enough that it can stand on its own as more than just a "look what's coming" ad.

So we used to argue, which game do I get? The truth is, if you're a space sim player, you'll love both. You play ED now, fuck around with the SC alpha once in a while. Then in 2-3 years, when ED is singing its swan song and on the way out the door, SC will be out for reals.

They're both good games that appeal to the same gamers, inspire the same shitposters, and in the end will be sequential rather than competitors.

>>176089594

EVE is a totally different genre, and also there's the fact that it sucks. Walking in Stations when? I didn't think so.

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>>176152564
The Mustang just needs a redesign, with the exception of the cockpit. They struck gold there, just scrap the rest of the ship.

>>176149915
>>176150336
You have to target the search zone and keep it targeted. You will lose track of it if you do not target the fucking thing. And it doesn't matter which one if there are multiple overlapping, they all go to the same place.

>>176151702
Where is the location? In the Steam folder? Steamlibrary -> steamapps -> common -> gabe's food stash -> elitedangerous

>>176153570
Yes, and like that other anon said, money might not be the limiting factor.

Availability is a thing.

>>176154283

It really does, it's my favorite ship by a wide margin but its just so painfully out of date

the gauges don't even work, they look like stickers

How to make the mustang the best

>Armor and armament of the delta (But slower because more mass)
>living quarters of the beta, maybe a little more sparse to keep it from being too heavy
>entry/exit through the cockpit from the omega/gamma

frankly the entrance from the bottom doesn't work and not only that, it ruins the lines of the ship

I had heard rumor that there was another consolidated outland ship coming at some point and it's supposed to be larger, I really hope they don't fuck it up.

>>176154171
FDev loves their hidden/unexplained stats. ED has shittons of them. Pilots even have reputations based on what you've been doing recently, which have nothing to do with navy or faction rep.

Been slaughtering pirates for weeks and never get shot down? Some of the NPC pirates will actually start running away when they see you coming. eg:
Pussy Pirate: "Whoa there big guy, I wasn't doing anything."
Tampon Bandit: "I think I'll leave it."

Got caught with illegal cargo/passengers recently? The cops will be much more eager to scan your ship at stations.

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>>176154851
It's one of my favorites too, and with time I'm sure it'll get the same treatment the Aurora is right now and the 300 series soon.

I just want to see the the docking tube not be a buggy fucking mess and a working UI, like you mentioned a thrusters actually inline with the mass of the ship.

>>176154536
Yeah that's the place.

>>176154459
So I went to buy some food and landed - the spot was still on my hud as I landed but as soon as I deployed the SRV the fucking target disappeared. Now I can't find it. What the fuck is going on?

>>176156125
You have to follow it in your ship. It'll shift around as you get close until it zeroes in on a settlement, which you'll be able to clearly see. Land near that and deploy the SRV. If you see the search zone marker but no settlement, you aren't done searching.

>>176154840
are you implying the guns will be rare too?
that doesnt really make sense, where did you get the idea?

>>176157028
You currently have to go to GrimHex to get the two-handed laser weapons, that's what he means by availability. You may have to shop around to find what you want or need, and it won't be everywhere.

>>176150610
>>176150815
>kit that lets you modify an existing F7C visually
>IT'S AN F7A GUYS

Stop.

>>176157028
The fact that its been specifically said to be the case, and that massive fuck off turrets might not be as common as your limpdick S3 laser?

Whats this obsession with just weapons, too? Not going to be packing a very good version of anything, shielding, engines.. whatever. Its stripped out.

The cost of equipment is supposed to be more than the hull, too.

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>>176156125
Okay found some people on the planet. Some guy was ramming my ship.

>>176155207

Things like that are okay. I was amazed when I learned NPCs in Oblivion have a responsibility stat that determines whether or not they report crimes once they see them. However, shit like integrity actually affects your gameplay to a huge degree. If having poor ship integrity raises your damage by 30%, then the game should tell you. Hell, why doesn't it just get stapled to "repair all" so that your integrity gets repaired when you dock and repair normally? Why is it hidden away and made to seem so irrelevant?

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Do Tip Off missions work only for those who get the message? Because fuck this, 22kly.

>>176153737
No illegal passengers around here, I swear.

>>176153903
>the cops are more likely to scan run-down looking ships.
B-but that's racist! (I'm surprised that paint actually has any effect on anything.)

>>176156125
Okay I found the directory and installed. It asked me what additional FX features I wanted installed. Any suggestions? It's a huge list, idk if I want all of them at the same time.

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>>176158946
You know why people dislike your green hud? It's too green. You need to add bit of blue and red so you will increase it's luminosity and make it more like phosphor. Now it is too dark.

>>176157358
sounds like a typical mmo to me i dont see what the big issue is

>>176159275
So, I think you probably installed lot of stuff but I always install the bare essentials as it's faster to launch the game etc.

Adaptive Sharpening
FXAA
SMAA
HDR
MagicBloom
Tonemap
Vibrance
CRT (if you want to play around with CRT emulation, could be fun for nostalgia shit)
Technicolor
Sepia

I install usually these if I want to play around.

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>>176159786
>CRT (if you want to play around with CRT emulation, could be fun for nostalgia shit)

So what's the quickest way to grind explorer rank? Wanna get pathfinder at least.

>>176158672
It's separate and not automatic because it's expensive and doesn't much impact people who don't fight like explorers. It doesn't sound like much now and they could probably revisit how it's handled, but in the past it was incredibly expensive. Repairing integrity from 0% used to cost 5% of your total ship value, same as a rebuy.

Paint is separate just because some players want to fly junkers and not have it repainted automatically.

>>176160243
>Repairing integrity from 0% used to cost 5% of your total ship value

Thats the stupidest shit I've ever heard

>>176160628
It gets better. Full hull and module repair (assuming you weren't dead at 0%) would be another 5%. So near 10% to repair a ship mostly trashed and with 0 integrity.
You can probably guess what people did instead of visiting the repair shop.

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It's so laggy today, the game hanged there for a bit.

>>176159540
It's not flashy, but easier on my eyes in the middle of the night. Though turning up dashboard brightness all the way up didn't brighten it much.

>>176160101
If you have sightseeing missions to a station in the next system, it seems to be fast.

>>176161894
Yeah the default orange really burns into your retinas after a while.

>>176161894
I've never done sightseeing missions. Is there a recommended loadout? A station with good missions?

>>176162262
No idea, I'm 22kly away, driving rich fags between Colonia Dream and Jaques. They seem to demand business class tops and 3-5 seats most of the time (but they reserve a whole cabin). So maximising the amount of economy and business cabins is the most important thing.

>>176161894
>>176162153
I just wish there was a way to change the UI colour without fucking all the rest up you know? Keep the radar blips the correct color and all that jazz. But I guess if you can't charge five bucks for it, it ain't worth fixing!

>>176164306
Dads love orange color. They don't want it to be fixed.

>>176160101
>>176161909
literally just go explore you newfag

scan systems and planets and youll get it in no time

So now in Quince, have been exiting the game for about 20 times now and not a single scanning mission comes by... Has the devs changed something or is it just bad luck? Also my reputation isn't high enough I think.

>>176164621
The server is acting fucky today. It kicked me off completely earlier.

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Thinking about getting joystick for SC,HotDS,E:D,
Any recommendations ?Throttle or no?

>>176164621
by exiting the game you mean switching between Open/Solo/Private right?

>>176164946
I thought completely exiting game was the best way to do it but I was misinformed. Anyway the missions just don't come up, I guess I'm going to play something else... Diablo 3 or something.

did a lot of players migrate from eve

>>176164917
house of the dying sun only needs MKB and it's really best that way

sc's control situation is a mixed bag whereas i love hotas for ED

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>>176159540
Flashy enough now?

Is there a way to restart hud without fully quitting the game? Alt+Ctrl+G and quitting to menu didn't work.

>>176164306
I heard it's coming... And why not, they could change five bucks for a exciting vibrant 6-pack.

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Cyanide poisoning. Not sure how to make it whiter, too easy to lose reds or make green piss yellow.

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>>176166342
that color scheme of yours is ded senpai

only joking i just stick with vanilla orange now

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This is a random retrowave playlist, Commander

>>176166674

thank you for killing this general, furfaggot

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>>176167050
ok my dude

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>>176166073
Better. If going to main menu doesn't change the hud then we need to exit game completely. I guess game initializes everything graphics related when it first starts up.

o7 cuckmander

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>>176166674
Who do you take me for?!

DESU, my very old scheme made portraits pure black and cyan just like that. But the new ones are much better in this aspect, this one has a bit more tint than the one I used above. You can almost guess a colour of their skin!

>>176167385
What worries me in this scheme is that baddies will be the same colour as everything else (as indicated by the colour of temperature symbol).

>>176167526
o7 & fly safe dadmando

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Do yall seriously love this hdr bloom? i mean look at this bullshit. its bright as fuck to the point where if i drive into it, i cant see shit and am blinded

lmao

been thinking about buying elite for ps4 when it comes out, I don't know much about it but I have one question. if you pick a faction (empire etc) can you do missions for them, rank up, and earn new faction specific ships? if so then this sounds right up my alley. also do different faction players fight each other?

>>176166674

Heard you grew a vagina and have been letting dad live.

>>176168906
I am sure if you actually had a hdr monitor you would be able to resolve more detail inside the light but yeah that looks like bull shit that was not sanity checked before being added to the build.

>>176168906
You can tone it down or turn of the bloom from graphic options completely.

>>176168906
>You can tone it down or turn of the bloom from graphic options completely.
Also if you installed reshade and are using 'hdr' setting, you need to manually adjust it because default values are too harsh. It will just crush the blacks and make game too dark/bright.

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>>176170013
Gotta admit though, the stars look perfect. You know, the way stars should look like if you are right next to them - bright as fuck. No sarcasm. Im loving it but yah the lampposts are bullshit.

>>176169918
i'm playing catch-and-release in eravate right now boy. come reserve your spot in space ira pt. 2

>>176171834
Lightposts in Quince only look like that because there are as many copies of the settlement stacked inside each other as you have missions for them, and that includes the light sources. Sometimes the settlement has multiple ships landed in the same spot intersecting each other and "fun" happens if you provoke them into trying to take off.

>>176154203
>EVE is a totally different genre, and also there's the fact that it sucks. Walking in Stations when? I didn't think so.
>prioritising walking in stations over giant fucking space battles, huge wars, claimable systems, and a player-run economy

Under Elise Randolph, faggotry of this degree is punishable by death

>>176171834
Actually planets and stars are pure fiction in ED. Everybody knows they are supposed to be planar, completely FLAT.

>>176172063
aww man for fuck's sake i accidently rammed and killed a python

such is life. snakes die in shame

>>176168906

I'm guessing you took multiple scan missions. What is happening is that the game is spawning multiples of the buildings inside of one another for every mission you have taken. So if you took 3 missions, there's basically 3 light posts clipped into the same spot and giving out 3 times as much light.

It was fucking insane when you could take 20 missions, to the point where the game visibly lagged hard.

So, what is the maximum amount of time you have spent on scanning missions at Quince? I did this evening and I only got 6 million credits as the missions didn't spawn properly. So at this rate getting to 100s of millions seems unlikely. And this is soul crushingly boring.

>>176175234
the longer you spend refreshing the better the board you take has to be
i just timed it and it takes about 6 minutes from launch to turning in the missions, so with missions for 6 million it wouldn't really be worth it as you can expect about 90 million cr/h with this method.

2 minutes refreshing, you need missions for 12 million
4 minutes refreshing, you need missions for 15 million
10 minutes refreshing, you need missions for 24 million

one thing you can do is to take 2 missions from bad boards that are in the 2-3 million range, that way the missions still spawn as you haven't hit the cap yet

you could also do the passenger missions at the other station in the same system, which gets me about 60-80 million cr/h in my anaconda

>>176164917
Throttle and Mouse will be said by most anons, I do enjoy my Hotas while playing SC

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Had a giggle when one interdicker smashed into a planet then another "GOT ME NOW" exactly when I reached the safe distance to drop to a station.

>>176177702
INTERDICTION DETEC-
This is an Independent starport, Commander.

>>176172305
>Elise Randolph
>Unironically worshiping Pandemic Legion

Go back to /eog/

>>176172305

When will you goons learn to stay where you belong?

>>176181125
>thinking all eve players are goons
Kill yourself

>>176178765
I'll leave when Brave Newbies can kill my Rorqual.
>goodlucktrying.jpg

>>176150815
It was

>>176139408
By the way. did you manage to pick up a Redeemer to Merchantman $0 CCU last year? I think they were available during the anniversary sale.

If you did, hold onto it. Next time the Reclaimer goes on sale, buy the Mercantman to Reclaimer $0 CCU. Then buy or upgrade one of your ships to the Redeemer, then CCU to the Merchantman, then to the Reclaimer. $100 saved. Assuming the Reclaimer isn't next in line for a price hike since it looks further along than we all thought. In that case, you can probably expect to pay $50-100 more.

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>new to SC
>get starter package and avenger titan upgrade
>do jackshit and die constantly on PU
>farm 17000 REC on racing
>try the sabre and fall in love instantly

Boy, I don't even know how is anyone gonna survive with a mustang or an aurora out there in the actual release universe. The difference is huge.

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>>176199414
They're gonna survive for a few days to a couple weeks until they can buy a subtantially better or more specialized hull or until they seriously upgrade their default loadouts.

The starter ships are just that, starter ships. Very very few people are gonna fly them for much more than a month or two until they move on to better things. You can, as a reward for helping to literally fund the creation of the game, skip a couple weeks at the start. This is the part where you call that head start pay to win, at which point I point out the Star Citizen is a sandbox MMO with no end goal and thus is not a race to be won by a head start. Additionally, as you said, you can rent that shit for the competitive modes.

>>176199414
also, The avenger is a multirole ship with a cargo hold and a friggin bed. It's hardly fair comparing it to the most purist interceptor in the game. If you want a Avenger+ to compare to look at the 300 series, Cutlass Blue/Black, Freelancer and the Vanguard.

>>176199414
Combat and surviving isn't everything. Each ship serves it's own purpose.

>>176200568
Well I guess that's true, I don't wanna go full dad but I just hope that in civilized space the cops do a good job patroling because I wouldn't last a minute.

>>176200217
Exactly. All having more ships means is having different playstyles and gameplay features available to you. But you don't even have to own those ships. You can crew or borrow someone else's ship, even steal a ship if you are able to and are willing to put up with the downsides that come with that.

And no ship is perfect at everything. There is a common misinformed belief that getting a Javelin, the most expensive ship that has been sold, means you can obliterate everything in your path. First off, before you can even properly use the thing you need to repair and equip it. Since it is a capital ship intended for large organizations, you can expect the requirements and cost to get it fully operational to go with it. Not to mention the massive operational costs it will require to use it, including the large amount of people or NPCs to properly crew it. Now, if you're a large org with a lot of people and credits aren't an issue, you probably could obliterate smaller and isolated ships, but only for a little while. Doing so in UEE space would make you a criminal, and being in such a rare and highly sought after ship puts a target on your back for pirates. A fight with another capital ship could go either way, but you're really in danger if you're ambushed by a fleet of smaller ships including some capital bombers. And while the Javelin made for battle, don't expect to be able to use it for all aspects of gameplay.

Daily I hate leddit/ED so much reminder. Normally every game has its fair share of shitty communities you want hate. For instance Zelda communities are mindless drones that circlejerk everything Nintendo ever makes, period, no questions asked. COD communities are borderline retarded. BF communities are elitist holier than thou narcissists. Meanwhile ED is filled with soft, weak, cucked, spineless faggots who love to roleplay and go on safaris.

>"good morning commanders"
(I really hate this)
>"latest reports are in, the murderhobos are ruining this game and userbase is at an all time low because of it."
(REALLY FAGGOT Im sure thats exactly the reason your game is dying and not because theres nothing to do)
>"i cant believe they would kill mostly harmless commanders, have they no honor?!?!"
(because its fun)
>"why do people treat this game like COD?"
(because its a gameplay features that allows me to do so)
>"we need to petition FD for more anti RDM features and punishments."

How about you GIT GUD scrubs? I really want to organize a massive purge where we kill as many forumdads as we can for as long as we can.

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>>176202105
DO WHAT MUST BE DONE.

Should I rather pick up a LTI Sabre or a Prospector? I have some of the $350 ships and a Cutlass Black and I want a small non-cargo ship that can earn money reliably.

>>176203565
Sabre for sure

>>176203565
Dedicated fighters will probably not be that profitable, since combat invariably results in damage and upkeep costs, which cuts directly into profit. Basically if you want to makes LOADSAMONE with a combat ships you're gonna have to be pirate/hunter of some sort, or be a mercenary/security working at the pleasure of others who are going to want to pay you as little as possible.

The mining ships is probably a good bet, I have one for that exact reason, I have yet to encounter a game where mining is not absurdly profitable at launch simply due to demand for resources in a fresh economy. Another thing you might Consider is a Reliant Sen/315p/Terrapin or some other single/small crew scout ships. Information leading to minerals or salvage can often be nearly as valuable as the minerals/salvage themselves, this is going to be the bread and butter or "exploration" as a profession. Also this lets you make money from mining without actually doing the extraction(which will be tedious, no exceptions) yourself.

Option three is get a Cutlass Red and Fly CSAR/CASEVAC for which you will be be paid by players and insurance companies.

>>176204030
Do you think the Carrack will be profitable at launch? I know we know very little of how exploration will work. Maybe I'll just use the Carrack as a hauler and go the long way to do side exploration during my route.

>start the grind in ED
>bounty hunting is getting boring
>check missions again
>what is this menu by the way
>I can get paid millions to just take some tourists for a ride, zero risks
why did I even bother

>>176204179
Just to clarify, I didn't mean use it as a hauler indefinitely, just at launch to gain some initial UEC so I can afford longer excursions out in deep space.

>>176204179
Too much of this game is uncertain at the moment. Keep what you have and watch how things play out for the next few years.

>>176204179
If you have interested crew then yeah, it will do the same thing that the small scouts do, but for much much longer trips. like staying out on the rim of a system scouting asteroid belts and whatnot for mineral for literal real world weeks at a time without coming in for fuel or supplies, reporting what you find by message or courier.

If you don't have crewmen NPC upkeep is going to eat into your profits. Basically there will be game systems for determining NPC pay and happiness, those costs will be fixed, and probably high to encourage group play. With human players you are more flexible and they are more likely to work for a cut of whatever, or even without discrete compensation is belt wandering is just what they want to do in game.

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>>176202105
Don't be mean, CMDR.

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>>176204243
The carrack will probably not be profitable as a hauler. It's cargo hold is small for the size of the ship and its operating costs will probably be pretty significant. Cargo is all about minmaxing, hauling as much cargo as possible with as little ship as possible, and keeping that ship and cargo as safe and secure as possible against damage destruction or theft. You want as much of the ship as possible devoted to cargo, not extraneous mass(Sensors, crew quarters, scout ships, hangars, map rooms) that you still have to burn fuel to push around.

There's a reason the hulls are basically flying cargo racks with a cockpit, living spaces and engines.

>>176151051
Liquid water is rare yo :^)

>>176168906
Watch out of this picture is so beautiful that it could fool you into thinking the game is good

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>>176205137
I'm pretty sure /vg/ and /scg/edg/in particular is well aware of the total disconnect between good graphics and good gameplay in the modern gaming industry. A game can have both, but there is nothing tying them together.

>>176204030
>Dedicated fighters will probably not be that profitable

Source: your anus

>>176204030
>I have yet to encounter a game where mining is not absurdly profitable at launch simply due to demand for resources in a fresh economy.

NPCs are going to make up the majority of the economy. You're not going to be in the same situation as a new WoW expac where you can sell some bullshit herb fo a billion gold just because nobody else has - NPCs are already doing it.

Chris not letting combat ships make bank is also fucking absurd and makes me think you don't know who he is.

>>176205943
Explain to me where a fighter pilot makes reliable regular money? Explain what he can do, at will as a for profit exercise.

>>176206081
Pan handling inside a subway station.

>>176206081
Escort duties, Killing of the galaxy's overflowing population of Vanduul, Pirates and other baddies?

>b-but muh overhead costs

Yeah, because someone isn't going to be compensated more for taking out a small pirate gang than delivering ore to another station that any chimp could do.

>>176204343
Not to mention players are smarter and can do a lot more than AI. Ehh, the Carrack is probably a bad choice for me. It will probably be my only ship at launch. None of my friends are interested in the genre and it would take a miracle to convince them. I also like being a solo player from time to time, so I'm sure there will be times where I'll want to take my Carrack out there by myself with an NPC crew. But I'd still choose the Carrack over the Terrapin, I just like it that much more and it is much more equipped for the kind of missions I want to run. I just hope NPC costs won't be exorbidantly high. Like you said it should encourage you players, not force.


>>176204605
I know the ship stat page is out of date, but I'm pretty sure it was 1000 SCU plus even more if you emptied out those modular bays. Won't be as good as a dedicated hauler, but I'm sure you could do some medium sized hauling jobs.This will most likely be my only ship at launch, but I plan to put any money I make from it towards a smaller profitable ship like the Prospector, so I can do some solo missions to fund longer missions with the Carrack. Plus, they could work well together.

>>176206276
More risk, more reward. That chimp most likely just has to pay fuel costs. You may have to get an entirely new ship.

>>176206401
And medical costs from being put back together.

>>176206401
>You may have to get an entirely new ship.

I have to pay insurance just like anyone else. I don't know how this is a hard concept for you, people with combat ships will be making just as much money as anyone else, especially in a game made by CHRIS ROBERTS

>>176206505
Insurance doesn't cover all your fancy upgrades. You are statistically more likely to lose your ship more often than any other profession, since you actively seek out fights. And who knows how much that deductible will be.

Oh boy I can't wait to have arguments about hypothetical values in a virtual economy. Thank fuck these conversations will only last for another two years.

>>176205658
Is this Borderlands?

>>176206803
Why, because once the game flops no one will talk about it anymore?

>>176206401
>More risk, more reward

This mentality that all cargo hauling is going to be a carebear job is great. You'll most likely make crumbs doing runs in safe systems.

>>176206718
Who says I need fancy upgrades to do the low level jobs equivalent to low level hauling?

The jobs that make the most money will be the riskiest, and the converse is true. If you want to make money hauling, chances are you need escort support.

Losing my ship is rather trivial to the huge section of the population with LTI, too

Whatever though, keep thinking that this will be a carebear game where combat makes you peanuts

>>176206276
>Escort
As I said, you're going to be paid as little as possible for escort. to a Cargo liner, escorts are and operating cost to be minmaxed inpursuit of profit margins. The best pilot with the meanest ship willing to work for the least money is going to get the cushy cargo escort missions.

>Killing vanduul.
In vanduul held territory thats the Navy's job, you're not a navy pilot. There will be a bounty on them I'm sure but most of the time theres going to be either not enough to live on or too many to fight without the navy, Individuals do not engage clans and win.

>take out Pirate gangs.
Alone? Be prepared to split those rewards if you want to make a career of it, or eventually you're gonna get fragged and eeach time you get fragged will wipe the profits from several successful missions.

Combat is not a for profit exercise, simply becasue it has a huge, unavoidable potential for loss built into it, and they only way to defray that potential loss is to get friends, which costs money and eats into potential profits. Also, most of the time theres going to be nothing for a sizeable band of warships to do but jerk off.

An individual combatant is a vulnerable combatant. And mercenary work of the scale safe for an individual is probably not going to be all that common. Basically it will come down to bounty hunting or escort. Bounty hunting is high risk and requires, usually, a multirole of some sort. Since you never quite know where or how you're going to take your marks. Cargo Escort will be common and relatively low risk, but also low reward. There's always straight Up piracy, but for that you need either cargo space or enough intimidation value for extortion, And there will be costs associated with being an outlaw as well as the high risk reality that if you're a known outlaw people will be able to just shoot you without consequence and that exactly what most of them will do to a solo pirate. Piracy is once again, a group activity.

>>176206869
Derek leave. Leave Derek.

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>>176206851
Planetside 2, Indar, looking out over the Zurvan Basin as The Crown on the left and Crimson Bluff Tower on the right.

Indar just locked and I am saddened. I just want to play Indarside.

>>176207025
Game had potential, too bad SOE blew it.

>>176207098
DESU it's still pretty fun. Frustrating at times, Steep learning curve, but it's an enjoyable manshooting game, particularly with ~3-5 friends. More than that and coordination becomes work, less than that and you get shit on by rock paper scissors all the time.

Can we colonize planets or is that wishful thinking?

>>176206851
>>176205658
We can narrow it down a bit

Level too detailed to be SC
Too much gameplay to be ED

>>176207598
I do look forward to the eventual play construction system in SC.

It would be neat to make mining bases or pirate clan stronghold or w/e on some dusty backwater world and have them to improve and defend until either you lose them to attack or move on.
The way the outposts are being designed as lego buildings from the ground up gives me hope that CIG is thinking in similar terms, converting a modular building set into a modular, player buy/place/buildable modular construction system isn't that much of a stretch and they've stated intentions along those lines several times. Who knows when, though.

>>176207575
In SC, I mean. I haven't been paying attention to ED.

>>176207903
They've said its the intent eventually, but to to what extent and when are very vague. There's certainly enough space, Each proc planet(like Leir III from the demo) will have millions of square Kilometers of more or less empty space, more than most other sand box building games by many orders of magnitude, and there are dozens of relatively empty but habitable planets, and dozens more moons, some of which are more livable than others. But just in terms of space, a single planet like leir has enough that everyone who currently owns the game could settle an equal distance apart on the same world and never see each other.

Planets are 1/6 scale or w/e it ends up being, but a 1/6th scale planet is still fucking huge in game terms. The catch is that most of that space will be totally empty and totally worthless and the exceptional locations will probably be hotly contested.

>>176207835
Dont you think they are trying to add too many things into one game? I do hope that this game eventually comes out, is fun and playable but at the rate they are going, we are going to have actual space travel before the game is ever released.

They need to make something like Elite Dangerous but with more focus on combat, missions, and being able to walk and do something on planet surfaces. I don't think that's asking for too much, probably like triple the content of Elite but it's possible with their manpower and funding.

However they just keep wanting to add shit with no end in sight. It feels like they are trying to make GTA: North America with a story like MGS, driving simulation like Forza, fighting system like Mortal Kombat, and a leveling system like Skyrim.

>>176204030>>176204243
I have to support >>176206032 that your logic is flawed.
Combat is obviously the main interest of the game and risking your life for objective always pay if you do it for someone who pay a lot for it
Most other means of getting money were originally only stretchgoals, it's just SC aiming to be awesome by using its engine to its fullest.

In fact getting money isn't looking to be the goal for progression, we expect to be switching ship depending of what sort of entertainment we want. Money will just be the balance, the 80% NPC rules to prevent players from destroying the playground by abusing its rules and NPC/ammo/fuel cost to serve as upkeep and moneysink.

Also expect piracy to be like playing hardcore mode, can't expect pirate to be equal to the UEE or other races

>>176208650
>Combat is obviously the main interest of the game
You are being silly

>>176207575>>176208348
There will be place and specific station/base that you can claim but it will be full PVP between Org to keep the and certainly limited by the instancing system.
But no creating npc-city, beside all the other reasons against it this is not realistic from a player's time frame perspective.

>>176207835
Don't expect CIG to let the player have mean of construction.
Pretty sure they looked at EVE and understood how player would inevitably break it and mass produce game breaker items.
If they let you build stations and base it will be prefab bought from those who buy what you mines.

>>176208601
I speak for many saying CIG need to keep doing the opposite of E:D.
There is nothing Elite do that Star Citizen should learn from it. That's the other way around, Elite should learn to stop procedurally generating boring planet and start cranking some actual gameplay and feature to do something.
Also, the way you say it make it sound like SC don't plan since forever to have you do a lot on planet.

That's the difference between quantity and quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdCFTF8j7yI

>have python with 50 mil worth of guns and shit

>shoot down any smallish ship in like 5 seconds flat

>think i can handle two eagles and a viper

>get my ass recked in a matter of seconds

wat

i have like the best sheilds

>>176209601
You also have worse handling than a cruise ship. Either load your mediums with shitty turrets and hope for the best or fly an actual combat ship. Python's just an armed cargo boat these days.

>>176208601

>They need to make something like Elite Dangerous but

Stop. They should make nothing like Elite. The devs of Elite have no idea what they want to be and throw everything at it with the hopes that it will stick.

>>176209601
3 small ships can put out some dps which can suck if you can't turn on them, like you can't in the not-so-nimble python.

>i have like the best sheilds
your shields don't sound like they are engineered. if they were you'd be able to face-tank npc condas and vettes.

>>176132232
Sell your data to SIRA

>>176209413
>There is nothing Elite do that Star Citizen should learn from it
LOL, one thing Brabenier does which Star Pleb should learn is how to make a fucking game and not an assortment of nerd-fleecing assets that they painfully try to stick together.

>>176151771
>colonia

>>176210302

>helping furfaggots

What you should be doing is going to their system and fucking their shit up to ruin their fun. Hopefully they'll fuck off for good.

>>176204030
>The mining ships is probably a good bet, I have one for that exact reason, I have yet to encounter a game where mining is not absurdly profitable at launch simply due to demand for resources in a fresh economy.
You haven't played Elite then.

>>176209413
>CIG need to keep doing the opposite of E:D.
>Elite should learn to stop procedurally generating boring planet
>brags about video that does nearly the same thing as Elite with procedurally generated boring planet
kek. You posted Elite 2.0. Instead of flat round moons, we get moons with mountains and trees.

In all seriousness, I do agree that it's quality over quantity. You can have a game like Mass Effect where you explore 3-5 detailed, unique planets and that's the entire galaxy you can explore or a game like Elite where you explore 1000 of the same planets in a vast galaxy. You can have quality or quantity but you can't have both.

I saw that SC video before. How many detailed, unique and quality planets do you honestly think they are going to have in the full release? Like 10? Maybe 20? Don't kid yourself. They posted a scripted video where you land on a planet, explore a radio beacon, get ambushed by raiders, then get ambushed by sand worm. I take it that's all the content on one planet. Then you'll move on elsewhere and do a similar activity for 15 mins. It'll get repetitive in one respect or another, you just don't realize it yet.

>>176211427
"2.0" is giving it too much honour.

>>176211427
CIG is currently mostly focused on the foundations for the game. Once the mechanics are in place, all they have to do is make content. They have already said making content is orders of magnitude easier than before and will continue to get easier as the core game develops. Can you imagine what a year of content making can produce?

Of course some will only have a few points of interest on them. But we should expect more than just one or two as the norm.