/stsg/ - Starsector General

Oh neat we have a non empty op for once

>>175978793
>Previous thread: 175861469
I knew I fucked something up

Are high res sensors a buyable hull mod?

If they aren't, what can I do to make them a buyable hull mod? I want to have some sensor pickets so I'm not flying blind everywhere.

GIVE BLACKROCK OR ELSE

>>175979082
THIS.

BLACKROCK NOW NOW NOW

Does higher rep with Independents improve the prices from the high end seller on Prism ?

Can I use Diable Avionics with any other weapon or ship mods?

>>175979940
yes but it voids your warranty

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just out of tutorial
should I?

>>175980110
>Eagle
Ehhhh depends on what fighters you have(if any), unless you know what you're doing then it's ez

>>175980110
If you're just starting out then it's probably not worth it.

If you've played the game a lot before and this is just a new-game, fucking do it.

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>>175980186
>>175980262
ye

>>175980521
Fuck, son, that poor pirate.

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Bootleg Extra System for SS 0.8a.

Enable Ship Upgrades

Original author: Truth Originem

http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=10578.0

The author is MIA, who the hell knows when he will be back. I simply recompiled the src to run on 0.8.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tbmyalv9es6h8f6/Extra%20System.rar?dl=0

Custom Changes:

001 Fighter Upgrade unlocked.

002 Mobility increases burn by a factor of 1. IE Normal will give +1 Burn.

003 Added costs to fighters.

004 Recomplied for SS 0.8a. Fighter codes no longer is called and left as is.

There's no warranty if you crash on your machine.

How do I disable ECM? It's fucking retarded and another stupid idea Alex shoehorns in

>>175981374
It's brutally overpowered, isn't it. A whopping great -20% to all enemy weapon range just because the AI will rarely have that skill and will never field multiple ships with ECM packages.

>>175981551
-15% unless you go for the command point skill which is a waste

>>175981551

I can't even tell what it's designed to do, seems to be there "just because"

>>175982193

The blog post says it meant to encourage players to field more ships instead of soloing fleets with their main ship waifu of choice.

Player would field more ships if the AI were not incompetent as fuck as allies/enemies imo.

>using Diable ships
>too early in game
>have one cruiser, one destroyer, and a combat-freighter with some wanzers
>literally can't kill any fucking frigate ever
Battles are dragging out forever because all of these ships are so fucking slow, have weapons that are so fucking slow and inaccurate and have horribly useless missiles that run out of fuel halfway towards their target.

Diable better start getting good real fucking soon or I'm dropping this mod and waiting for BLACKROCK

Next station refit I'm shoving safety overrides up the ass of every one of these ships.

>>175974684
>some dude doing karate
>a mexican suger skull
>some retarded looking necklace pendant for hipsters
>some dude squatting down to take a shit
>another dude squatting even further down to take a shit
>a fatass's stomach and smoker lungs
It's shit.

desu I think everything in this game is too short-ranged and slow

but editing everything to move 1.5x - 2x faster or 1.5x - 2x more range sounds tedious.

>>175983649
Just use cheatengine and speedhack x2.

>>175983649
the faster you make it the easier you make it

Onslaught is mah waifu

there is any torrent?

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I thought no markets were big enough for the Astral?

>>175987550
how

>>175987550
Fuckinb tri-jews

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>>175981368

Wtf. I managed to get fighter upgrades to work.

>>175987550
>Otohime

>>175988041
>not only jews but W E E B S

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based waifucores

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You faggots don't even know the meaning of ship superiority.

>>175988482
Shut up approchan

>>175988482
post your fleet nerd

>>175988482
and truth originem doesn't even know the meaning of updating his mod

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even the perseans have astral?

Why can't I get this shitty game to work? Every time I press "Play Starsector" my screen goes black for a couple seconds then an error comes up saying "Fatal: null Check starsector.log for more info."

>>175991151
then check the starsector log and tell us

>>175991151
Okay here's MY GUIDE

>download starsector_install-0.8a-RC19
>download starfarer_obj

>install starsector with installer
>double click on starsector
>put random bullshit into the activation code
>click activate, wont work but you need to do it
>replace starfarer_obf in starsector directory with crack starfarer_obf

there, done, should work, no problems

>adding mods crashes me

allocate RAM
>how
download java jre79 NOT jre80
drag and drop the java jre7 folder into the directory, delete original jre and rename jre7 to jre

you may have to go to settings.json and change allowflashversionany whatever it is to TRUE

now change vmparams whatever

what do i do i cant find anymore stations for my drovers to rape ;_;

>>175988252
Do stations respawn or does killing one permanently reduce the amount of content in the world?

>>175985932
cs.rin.ru/forum bro

>>175991628
what wrong with jre80?

>>175987550
>>175987730
How what? The market thing is fixed and has already been said to be fixed. Stop being a retard.
>buy all ships in market
>resell them
>wait
>oh look an astral

>tfw no 0.8.1

>>175989549
The only thing I haven't seen yet from the Perseans are Paragons. When I took a commission they had everything I needed, access to all the tech and markets for surplus supplies and fuel. Completely worth the hostilities which were easy to fix anyway.

do we have a REMOVE LUDD copypasta yet and if not, why

>>175998182
there's nothing wrong with luddite faith or their followers

>>175980047
>>175981368
>warranty
Is this some meme I'm unaware of? Is it a dev meme?

>>175992445
Permanently, in vanilla. You'll run out of things to buy before you run out of sites to salvage.

Is surveying planets worth all the shit I need to bring along and use?

>>176000465
Invest in the skill to reduce the things you need to bring

>>176000465
stick survey crap on your logistics ships that never see combat

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Lol.

>>175999263
They drop colonies on people.

Not really sure how to progress or what to do, I've got like 900,000 credits from just going around surveying shit and doing scans
Do I just buy bigass ships now and try to take on armies of people?

>>176003456
yes

AWACS SHIP WHEN

I am so goddamn tired of running around the entire system slowing to a crawl just to find some random pod or something

A ship that expands your sensor profile massively but also raises your range and is useful as an ECCM/ECM ship in combat would be tops, thank you.

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>>176004036
Diable Avionics Derecho?

Haven't seen anyone have a dedicated ECM Destroyer like them.

>>176004265
Lynx

>>175987550
is the astral the rarest capital still? why did it not used to show up in markets when paragon is clearly larger

>>175982693
I've found some success with Diable ships using safety overrides, with Glauxs and Bucharels mounted on Versants and Vapors. Gotta go fast.

>was running silent to sneak up on battlestation
>destroy it
>go home to tri tach space to turn in cores
>forgot transponder was shut off
>jew police show up
>blah blah blah scans cargo
>OH HO HO LOOK AT THESE 15 GAMMA CORES
>BETTER GIVE THEM TO ME GOOD GOY
>not a cuck so refuse
>battle this retard's tiny fleet because mine is too large to just run
>-157 rep because i shit on his chest
>turn in cores
>back up to 6 rep
>still chased out of the system
NPC interactions really need fleshed out. My rep basically says I'm part of tri tach, but their shit patrol still comes after me like a common smuggler with no way of threatening him or telling him to fuck off. What's the point with having high rep with the military base director if I still get pulled over for having my lights off?

I've spent over a month of in-game time looking for one fucking derelict for a survey and I still can't find it. This prospector fleet won't fuck off either and keeps messing with my radar scans.

>>176009367
it's make sense once you reach cooperative that you become immune to needing transponder and searches other then extreme black market suspicion since your supposed to know higher ups

>>176009940
I would say yes, but only if you have a commission. So that you can't just farm rep with core everywhere and do whatever you want.

>>176010130
have you noticed that factions tend to never go to peace anymore?

>>176010628
I spend nearly all my time in the fringes so I didn't, but that is possible: I read on the forum that there was some weird shit going on with warring factions.

>>176010732
it's really annoying if you have a commission, I've yet to see a faction make peace yet, it's like all the relation events are off

What's the premise of this game anymore?
Wasn't it that the whole core had a fucked up economy? Then why can factions afford to pay up retarded amounts for bounties and surveys?

Why isn't everyone a scout then?

>>176010869
Well we can assume this will be fixed in 0.8.1. And if it doesn't, well SS+ might take care of it?

Speaking of SS+, it updated a little while ago.

>>176011385
what all did ss+ do again?

>>175981368
Doesn't seem to work for me, keep getting

Fatal: Index: 0, Size: 0

when it crashes while loading.

>>176010871
there are quite a few scavenger npcs out there, few people go out there since it's dangerous as fuck I would think regarding running out of fuel and remnants

>>176011423
Some balance changes, crew salaries, larger bounty fleets, vengeance fleet pursuing you if you really piss off someone...
Also your officers level up faster in frigates and destroyers than in Cruisers but have a (small) chance of dying in combat.

>>176011673
so nothing of substance

>>176011697
It adds some flavor and usually fixes some issues left around between patches (like the infamous one that made some ships not follow any order in 0.7.2)

>>176010871
Long time ago, a united human race called the Dominon came to this sector and began collapsing and terraforming the worlds when suddenly the gates that kept everyone connected over long distances went dark for no reason which splintered everyone trapped into several factions. There was a bunch of wars fought over the use of AI which eventually let to all the AIs to be abandoned in the outer reaches. Right now it's a fragile truce compared to the massive war so the factions are paying you a shit ton of money to find new worlds to expand to while maintaining their military to hold the truce.

I swear the game spawns more pirates on iron-man mode

>>176012779
No, but it spawns more for pirated version :)

>>176012865
I wish it would do even more. Finding real fights is much harder than it has any right to be.

>>176011697
You're kidding. You're kidding, right?
SS+ is worth it for the vengeance fleets alone.

>>176013458
don't fall for the industry meme
don't buy ships from markets
don't take any commissions
enjoy your hardmode

>>176013817
you need to stop saying "industry meme" when you mean surveying

>>176013892
surveying is tedious and damages the flow of the game too. it really is a meme.

>>176013961
yes but there's a lot more to industry than just surveying

it will also no doubt play a much bigger part once you can actually conquer worlds

>>176013961
>>176013892
Surveying is more of a placeholder than a meme.
Hopefully it will be eventually serve a more fun purpose than a money fountain, when Alex gets round to filling in the bits. So a couple of years?

>>176013961
If skipping the earlygame of killing 500 wolves under bounty with my wolf is damaging the flow of the game, then the flow of the game can go fuck itself. I hate the earlygame, and that's not really going to change until we have more starting options, including other starting locations with different regional pirates.

>>176013961
>implying the game even has a flow
It's fuckall balanced

>>176013805
nope they took all the good stuff and split it into multiple mods leaving ss+ with nothing good

>>176014424
1. Collect qts
2. Fap to qts
3. Back to 1

>>176014193
Reduced maintenance costs, free repairs, mitigating D mods, more loot.
Industry would still be totally worth it even if surveying and salvaging vanished entirely.

>>176014280
I want start with a beat up destroyer because I loathe flying frigates, but apparently that's "too hard" and "ruins the game".
It really doesn't and lets me skip the bit I hate.

>>176014431
Nope. SS+ handles the vengeance fleets, which are good even without any of the extra ships and guns.
Granted, tha's p. much all it does now.

>>176014280
the most fun part of the game is when you get a couple of destroyers and fuck up small fleets imo. you can get to that point with a few missions. surveying probes/ships/stations doesn't require putting points into industry. capital ships aren't fun to pilot because SLOW

What ship has the highest fighter wing/deploy cost
I want to swarm hard

where the fuck is the scanning target?
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>176014829
If the missions doesn't specifically say that it's "orbiting a barren world" or something, then I think that mission is bugged and the target doesn't exist. I've had that happen.

>>176014424
just like m&b

>>176014783
Drover. Its subsystem essentially doubles the fighter wings you're able to deploy.

>>176014783
Deploy costs per fighter bay:
Condor = 5/bay
Gemini = 8/bay (4 if system doubles stuff)
Drover = 7.5/bay (3.75 if system doubles stuff)
Venture = 5/bay (if you mod the pointless drones out)
Heron = 4/bay
Mora = 4/bay
Astral = 2.5/bay
Odyssey = 20/bay
Legion = 3/bay

So Astral followed by Legion are the absolute best.
Drover is the cheap-but-nearly-as-good option.
Heron and Mora are decent.
And anything else that isn't an Odyssey will work okay.

>>176015397
Very nice, thanks anon
Could add that to efficiency.jpeg
>>176015003
Also thanks to you

>>176015397

I just like the heron since it can keep up with my destroyers easily.

>Starsector + updates finally

>It makes the game more miserable

FFS.

What was it that Starsector+ Even fucking did?

>>176015784
nothing they took all the good stuff and make like three other mods out of it

>>176015784

>Removed Extra Crew bonus

Wtf, I hate SS+ now.

>>176015784
>Starsector + updates finally
>It makes the game more miserable
Disable crew salaries friend.

>>176016142
Considering it adds vengeance fleets in, and then nerfs AI bonuses to rep & cash

It's literally made the game miserable.

Now accepting a Comission is essentially a death sentence.

And most mod factions wont' allow you access to their military grade equipment.
With guess what?

A Commission.
Starsector+ could've just stayed deprecated as far as I'm concerned.

8.1 and Nexelerin & Dynasector plx.

I feel stupid.

I got a Shepherd carrier from starting, with it's base mining drones. I want to upgrade to something else, so I bought a Talon LPC. Now, how in the fuck do I get those mining drones of my ship, and put the Talons on instead?

>>176016610
You don't. The shepherd is a drone tender, it can only use mining drones. The Talon is a full fledged fighter, you can put it on a carrier, not on drone ships.

>>176016341
Just mod the faction files to remove commissions.
Once you do that rep is the only thing you need to unlock the military grade ships.

>kill domain atuomated scout mothership
>not a single core
bullshit

>>176016709
well why did you blow it up then

>>176014280
The early game is too extreme in either direction right now.
Either you grind on pirate fleets you can beat until you get big enough to kill big pirate bounties or you cheese scan missions to make mad dosh and skip the early game.

I wish "industry" was actually a viable way to play. But damaged ships sell for almost nothing so there's no point in going out salvaging after big fleet battles to grab ships to bring back and sell to the black market.

>>176017036
>I wish "industry" was actually a viable way to play.
What makes you say that it isn't? Max out the first three skills and run nothing but (D) ships. Most of your ships will cost half as much or less to maintain and deploy, it's a massive economic boost.

>>176014880
Nah it's around, it's just a broad as fuck area, you literally need the neutrino scan to have a chance at locating the shits outside of dumb luck. If it says it's in the "heart of the system" you have a chance if you systematically use a grid search pattern with sensor bursts. If it's "in the outskirts" you have no practical chance without neutrino scan clues because the mission will time out before you scan half the potential area it could be in.

>>176017153
I'm talking about early game clearly.

>>176017183
You misunderstood, some missions give literally no description of where the target may be, other than "in the _ system". I think those missions are just bugged.

>>176017259
I just tried SS+ and all the scan missions I've seen so far are like this or "outer reaches", motherfuckers.

>>176017257
So am I.

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Anyone got custom ships to share? Here are mine:

Pilotable Diable Avionics Ace Wanzers

"diableavionics_blizzaia_ace_Standard"
"diableavionics_frost_ace_Standard"
"diableavionics_raven_ace_Standard"
"diableavionics_strife_ace_Standard"
"diableavionics_valiant_ace_Standard"
"diableavionics_warlust_ace_Standard"

Made to spawns in DA markets. And they are not overpowered in my opinion. Quite challenging to play in fact.

Extract into the mods folder like any other mods. Have fun.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vh98nxs7n4pla1/DIABLEAVIONICS%20ACE%20WANZERS.rar?dl=0

>>176017330
Maxing out the first 3 skills isn't early game.
And in the time it takes to max out the first 3 skills you can make a mil off scans.

>>176017384
Yes it is. You leave the TUTORIAL with at least two of the skills maxed out, so how is that not early game?

>>176017474
>He plays the tutorial

>>176017036
A guy on SA called Real Cool Catfish did an industry run:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3570400&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=187
It seemed to turn out p. okay for him.

>>176017335
cute!

>>176017384
It's just 6 levels since you start with 3
That's pretty easy to achieve, you get like one when you fight a few frigates at that point

>>176017487
Why would you not play the tutorial?

>>176017632
He probably considers the "free" ships and guns to be cheating, or some other dumb thing.

>>176017632
I don't find doing a bunch of chores in an identical fashion every single game to be fun.

>>176017682
And this isn't an argument. If anyone is inclined to they can skip the tutorial and fly right back to tetra to claim the exact same ships they get in the tutorial.

>>176017779
>>176017846
This is fine. Having a reason not to want to do something you find repetitive is okay.
>>176017487
This however is just being a dick about it.
In other words:
>some other dumb thing

>>176017632
Why would you ever do it more than once

>>176017986
It's a lot less painful than chasing Pirate Scouts in Corvus with your single Wolf.

>>176016341
Looking at the files, SS+:
Nerf Damper Field
Nerf AI cores money printing
Fixes some issues with Ion damage not spreading properly
Nerf the Reapers acceleration
Nerf Hurricane fire rate
Buffs the Quantum Disruptor
Changes in some way half the vanilla hullmods (too lazy to do a diff check on all of them)
Adds background wormholes to battles occurring near them
Adds asteroids to battles occurring near them
Adds Nebulaes to battles occuring near them
Change the size and shape of the battlefield depending on the battle location (larger in Hyper, smaller near planets)
Makes Officers level up faster in frigates and Destroyers
Males Officers Killable.
Increases the number of fleets flying around
Adds assassination missions that targets other factions instead of exclusively the pirates
Adds bounties to pirate players
Adds crew salaries
Handles a lot of back-end stuff for Dynasector

And that is just from looking at the files, there are a lot more stuff going on in the scripts.

>>176018320
>Males Officers Killable.
eheh

>>176018406
That's quite an unfortunate typo... Time to bet if I'll get flammed out for that..

>>176018478
It was a simple mistake, anon. Don't worry about it. Just remember, we all love you no matter what.

>>176018320
>Handles a lot of back-end stuff for Dynasector

That means the real show is coming out soon right?

>>176018406
Check your male privilege.

I just want to know, is a mod that can create new markets on surveyed planets feasible in this version?

>go into system to do sensor package mission
>it's fucking packed, end to end, with extremely hostile, massive salvager fleets

>>176018650
Wow, my 4chan can't be this wholesome!

>>176019261
Congratulations you found space Somalia.

>kit out a dominator with mark-IX autocannon and heavy needler, with light needlers and double machineguns for PD
>still can only barely match a Mora head-to-head because of how powerful its damping field is
>get blown up by last of its fighters after it explodes

This is an insult

>>176020731
>try again wondering if direct head-to-head will work
>damper field prevents me from taking out its guns
>get Typhooned

Fuck this.

What's a good loadout for the Diable Hayle-class destroyer?

I run simulations but no matter the loadout, that thing cannot take down any other destroyers. It made a small dent in a Falcon but ran out of CR before it could do anything more.
If Diable ships need to outnumber the enemy, then we're fucked. Might as well just go pirate with a horde of (d) ships.

>>176015397
Are the legion stats on the wiki outdated? It says 40 deployment cost at 4 wings

>>176020731
>>176020869
Why are you trying to use kinetic weapons against a ship that's designed to tank damage with its armor and hull?

>>176020929
6 harpoons, 3 HVD, expanded racks and targeting core for AI Hayle should work

>>176015397
I don't get your results. Which stats are you looking at? A mora for example costs 20 to deploy and has 3 wings, so 6,66/wing. Where am I going wrong?

>>176002459

They're Zekes?

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Doing some reskins for the perseans

>>176021171
>HVD
Non-Diable weapons on Diable ships?!

Will they even let me do something so profane?

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>located in the heart of the system
yeah fuck you too

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>>176021925

>>176021893
change HVD for recsons and harpoons for whatever diable uses, put them in linked and fill the rest with vents

>>176022050
>3LY range
Holy fuck that's a big fucking system.

>>176022050
>sun

>>176017153
I played this way and it's all going nowhere fast. You earn about as much as you just spent in fuel and supplies to get the salvage in the first place. Maybe after an hour of playing you've got another 20,000 credits in your pocket, if that.

Literally everything you can salvage is fucking worthless except for AI cores, or the rare times you actually get something other than metal, fuel, or guns.

>>176022520
You're supposed to go after survey missions and pick up bounties and such on the way. You'll need to get lucky to find a derelict tanker however but that usually doesn't take very long, at least not for me.

The other kind of survey is the actual industry skill that lets you survey planets, that's the one that lets you become a millionaire within 20 minutes.

>>176022145
The solar systems in this game are not properly scaled. They all measure like 10 lightyears across in the solar system map, and then 1-3 lightyears across in the campaign map, when in reality they shouldn't even span 0.25 lightyears.

>>176022520
Nah, you must be doing something wrong if you not swimming in supplies. You get into fights less often which costs you less supplies and you should always be surveying at 5 supplies first if possible due to your (D) survey ships. Only fuel scales upwards with shit ship but those are dirt cheap if you get them from Sindaria or if you farm them in Orange beacon systems. If you're profits are not at least 60k per run, you're doing something very wrong.

>>176022802
>>176022685
you never said surveying, you said salvaging

I can survey planets and have a million bucks easy.

But salvaging shit is absolutely worthless. The only reason to invest anything into it is for salvaging rare faction ships and weapons to add to your fleet.

>>176022936
>you never said surveying, you said salvaging
???

>>176022719
Solar system distances are measured in Light Years? Since when?

>>176022936
Survey's a skill under industry and we were talking originally about that build. Besides, they give early access to cores from Probes and Ships which can give you good cash right from the start if you are lucky. It's probably the weakest skill in the Industry build though.

How do you keep track of planets you bought storage in? Just curious.

>>176023448
By only having storage on one planet.

>>176020929
Hayle is REALLY good. i do 2 recsons, 1 heavy mortar, 2 micro pd (needed to counter salamanders), rest are harpoons or shrikes.

shield is fixed and is only forwards which is its one weakness

>>176022936
The salvage skill in the industry tree is very valuable though
Go into warning beacon sectors and disassemble stations and such, you get tons of AI core that make loadse money

>>176023281
Think he meant sector maps and the distance from the outer points to the star. Then again, we have no idea how jump points work and they might work like a funnel where you end up relatively further away using one.

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>>176015397
>>176021253
please respond

Who needs SS+ anyway, we want BRDY and Nex

>>176023647
>AI cores are the only thing worth salvaging

This is literally what I already said and why salvaging is actually worthless, especially for the early game.

Surveying is worth it, but salvaging is not. Salvaging is for mid-game when you've got your fleet and want to add faction ships to it without joining a faction.

>>176018320
That honestly doesn't seem like much, nor particularly compelling.

Why doesn't the guy have a complete feature list anywhere?

>>176023281
Go open your map inside a solar system and stare at the ruler marked "lightyears"

>>176024465
All the industry skills are worthless because money is so easy to come by without them and markets are way too accessible so you can just buy anything so why bother salvaging. But at least salvaging related skills offer a new play style, one where you use what you find rather than buying everything.

Surveying on the other hand I don't see ever being useful because once you're on two feet money is never an issue so now you've just wasted 3 (potentially 6) skill points on a skill that only makes money.

>>176024732
It's there to be built upon when Outposts or mining are in from Updates or Nexelin. I imagine you either have to pay from your nose to get data or get lucky from hunting down probes.

>>176024872
I know. I'm just glad I can finally salvage things now because the market really is way too accessible.

>>176024465
Define early game
Yellow beacon systems are pretty easy and can still be profitable

>>176024539
It did more in 0.7.2:
>Removed skills changes
>Removed soft fleet size limit
>Removed extra skill point scaling
>Removed extra crew bonus
>Reverted numerous weapon balance changes
>Reverted ship changes

I suppose that depending on 0.8.1 changes, some might come back? No point in updating things until then.

Also people kept bitching about how they wanted that one feature or that other of SS+ as standalone, so now that mod just handles the basic QoL/balance stuff and is a shadow of what it used to be.

>tfw rolling Battle Brother seeds for hours straight

>>176025738
Find any good anon?
I have few want to check them?

>>176025812
Sure senpai

>>176025829
Damn.
How far are you get in game?

>>176025893
Playing Veteran non-ironman. My current game is 30 days in before I realized a good seed is half the battle.

I really want to know why the Heron insists on trying to be a knife fighter?

>Condor launches Pilums
>Uses Fast Missile Rack
>Instead of launching a second volley of Pilums, it vents instead
every time

Vanilla seriously needs to be rescaled/rebalanced. Bounty fleet size stops growing way too soon. Give 2-3 capitals + 6 heavy cruisers + 15 destroyers etc, you get the idea. Largest fleet i've ever seen was like half of that and it was a 300k deserter bounty. The red beacon redacted fleets should be waayyyy more dangerous too, at least twice the size otherwise they can be farmed within hours on a fresh save. All this is assuming you're NOT using sparks or any of the AI fighter really, if you do then the above fleets should be doubled yet again. Also nerf the paragon, aurora and medusa, they're like pre nerf blackrock ships. Also remove mora damper field. Increase max level to 60. Nerf surveying and analyze-missions. I seriously hope SS+ delivers on the balancing, game is far too easy now.

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>>176023739
I am utterly confused
I now loaded up the data from the file instead of copying it manually from the wiki
My moras deploy for 20 points, but fleet points is listed at 15 there, is there a hidden modifier going on? Or is supply/month the deployment cost? I don't understand

>>176026486
That's because the Wiki page is plain wrong.
How could there be a hidden modifier for deployment cost?

>>176026486
Supply/month IS the deployment cost aka supply/battle in current version. Supply/month and supply/battle are different attributes in older versions.

Giving a dual phase lance medusa to an agressive officer was the best decision of my life

>>176026015
6008d3 -two iron lungs, archer hawk eye
9 - 2 brutes and solid map that let you earn cash by trade
7f3864-2 iron lungs
2- 2 iron lungs

And yeah. Good map is essential for long time survival.
Too bad that there is no map editor or pre made maps.

>>176026819
Sunder with triple phase lance is even better

>>176026938
Thank you, will check it out

>>176027025
I doubt that, Sunder is very slow and AI is bad at judging risk. Medusa can easily just get the fuck out of sticky situations.

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>>176026715
No, I meant ship_data from the starsector folder
That one should be correct
>>176026740
Alright, so the second table should be right? What's fleet_point used for then?
pic related, this time with boosted versions

>>176027138
Remember the battle size slider in the options? That's the fleet point limit of battles. Say like 500. When a battle starts, the number is divided according to the fleet size, if you have a bigger fleet, maybe you get 300 and the enemy 200. Deploying a ship cost fleet points equal to the ship's fleet_point. So in a way it is also a "deployment cost".

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>>176027337
>Deploying a ship cost fleet points equal to the ship's fleet_point
But this is what doesn't add up
fleet_point for Mora is 15, but it deploys for 20 combat points ingame

>>176027636
Huh, it seems that fleet point is also being obsoleted in favor of deployment cost.

>>176027840
Fleet points are only used for the deployment and internally to create the fleets.

>>176027985
But in the deployment screen the points being used are supply/month >>176027636

>>176027636
Does it include the fighters in the cost?

>>176028089
I meant the available points repartition

>>176028263
Ahh, okay.

>>176028153
Don't think so. Fighters are no longer independent things and their "main cost" is their OP cost on their mothership

>>176028153
There's still a fighter_data with fleet points, but that doesn't add up either. That mora has 2 boradswords and a piranha, which add up to 17 points. So I guess they're just natively included in the carrier and don't take any additional deployment costs
I also just tried removing the wings, the cost stays the same

>>176026210
fast missile rack is a mod?

desu I wouldn't mind a hull mod that boosts missile speed / range / maneuverability

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>>176026938
>Too bad that there is no map editor or pre made maps

I think you can change this, actually. I noticed a couple files that had something to do with maps, pic related

I think these spawn and influence how the map looks.

>>176028932
Are we talking about Battle Brothers?
BB is decent but lack content(like SS).
Too bad you can not mod anything and devs are typical German leftists.

>>176029260
I'm talking about starsector

I also found this in the campaign stuff

I checked the sounds but didn't see any "terrain radio chatter" anywhere. Anyone know if this code actually does anything/works? I might just throw some muffled air traffic control in there or something.

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>>176029463
forgot picture

>Lion's Guard Detachment
>11 level 20 Officers
How come the AI can have more officers than you? That's bullshit.

>>176018320
hopefully this means his other modular mods will get updated

>infinitely respawning torpedo bombers
lmao how did alex think this was a good idea

>>176029863
mod settings.json and change how many officers you can have

>>176029963
Most of them probably won't come until after 0.8.1 due to that rules.csv issue

How can I find out where I bought storage on a planet? I can't remember

Does starsector + even add any new ships or is it just bunch of non-fun features?

>>176031302
it adds a shitload of new ships and weapons but there's a separate mod that does the same thing

>>176031302
Not any more.
There are two connected mods, ships and weapons pack and crime syndicate.
But they are not will be updated.

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>this slaps your hull

Is there a way to increase the limit of ships in fleet above the base 30?

>>176031556
>squatting slav

I think all missiles should regenerate ammo. Of course it would have to be very slow so it doesn't break the game.

>>176031653
yeah, its under something like maxshipsinfleet I think or max ships something in settings, easy to change, set it to 50-60

Broadswords need a new sprite.

Two Herons holding back (and defeating) some 8 Destroyers and 15 Frigates. Not Pirates, real targets.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with fighters.

>>176032506
3-12 shots is enough for most fights.
20 shots covers like 95% of fights
Anything over 30 is just covering the last 1% of fights, diminishing returns, and may as well be indistinguishable from infinite ammo in actual practice.

>>176034514
Problem is that AI can not handle it.
They should charge and just nuke carriers but they will not.

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Fuck you Lion's Guard. Now I have my trophy salvage.

What do I even do with this thing.

shadowyards updated

>>176034998
>Version 0.6.1 is ready! This release features a bunch of new content and a style overhaul, as well as getting SRA ships spawning in Pirate, Independent and League fleets.
Style overhaul?
Screenshots pls

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>>176034998
Shadowyards is ugly as fuck.

>>176035408
I bet you think Neutrino ships look good.

Found another red beacon, time to get the Drover fleet ready again :^)

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>>176035256
What is it with Starsector mods and diagonal stripes?

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>>176035504
found a second one

>>176035408
what? they look cool.
>>176035463
I like neutrino ships too

>found a third one

waifucores galore

>>176035682
Did you do that?
How?

>>176035973
Do what?

>>176036016
Stripes.

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>>176035256

Alrighty.

>>176036070
You are not very clever.

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>>176036110

Pirate example

>>176035973

Nah, it's part of the graphical style overhaul

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>>176036156
oh. right

>>176036236
Now that is different

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>>176035682
Stripes are good, stripes are life!

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>mfw 20 burn
>mfw blockade running Chico and the two largest Persean markets

W H O P I T O U T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8

>>176035408
SRA ships are thicc, just like the qts drawn by the mod author

>>176035408
That isn't how they look anymore

>>176035256
pic related, the color scheme changed a bit

>>176034998
The best thing about this update is definitely the pirate/neutral versions of shadowyard ships. Don't know if they're balanced or not yet, but having them show up makes sense and I get easily obtained bootleg copies of their stuff a lot more easily when I start out.

>>176035682
It's a very easy way to add style without visually cluttering the design of the ship. DESU the sub-factions, like the Luddic Knights/Path should use their parent faction ships but their own faction color scheme/style like this.

>>176036626
We need more skins Tart

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>>176037079
forgot my pic

>>176036705
blockade running is easy

run transponder activated until a split second from docking, then hit

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>>176037203
What would you like?

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>11 lightyears to mission
>Payout 20,000cr
>I have 150cr to my name
>Enough fuel to get there
>Not enough to get back

h-here I go

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R8 FLEET

>2 Paragon
>2 Astral, 6 Sparks each
>3 Moras, with high OP cost bombers
>6 Drovers with Piranhas
>13 Drovers with Sparks

Time to go and farm those 3 red beacons

>>176037707
shit taste in portraits
shit taste in ships

>>176037707
>no officers on astrals

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>>176037832
deployment cost m8

save em for the battlestation, and I have limited CR

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>>176037404
I would unironically recommend looking at megamek's camos for ideas. The UI is a bit ass, but there's a shitton of camos you can apply to 2D mech sprites and it's all sorts of lines, stripes, colors, patterns, etc.

pic semi related, I used to use this one for all my units in my ghost bear campaign

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>>176037930
Drovers.

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heheheheh

>load save
>all my money is gone
??????????????what the fug

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>>176037984
There's also a 600-something page thread on the mechwarrior online forum full of mech recolors like this.

>>176038203
No seriously what the actual fuck is this bullshit. I haven't changed anything and suddenly all my money has disappeared.

How do I cheat myself some money?

>>176037707
>moras
0/10. Moras are fucking gay and if you use them than you're gay.

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>my early game fleet of frigates and a destroyer gets caught by a remnant fleet with a carrier and spark wings

Aside from messages that are reminding me that I'm a filthy pirate and making a refrence to Croteam's pink scorpion, is there some anti-piracy measure within the game?

>>176038641
not that I know of

I don't think the dev is that spiteful to make his game shit on pirates

>>176038539
Moras are sexy as fuck

I wish Mora had burn drive.

Then you could just equip close ranged weapons onto Moras and BD ram the enemy, this tactic would be called the Mora Bomb!

>>176038203
>>176038443
It's part of the offline progression system. It incentivize the player to play more.

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station spotted :^)

>>176039017
>Ismael-Wu

if this doesn't prove tri-tachyon is run by jews nothing will

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>>>deployment cost

eh do I sacrifice my drover spam for capitals?
this is against station

>piranha bombs kill you
>every other fucking missile or torpedo in the game doesn't have friendly fire

fucking why

>>176039172
Quit the game and modify deployment values in settings.json

>>176039257
Pretty sure Annihilator missiles also hit your own ships, it's because they are dumbfire ordinance.

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>>176037984
Will take a look, although right now I'm busy adding new stuff to make ORA more interesting to play with...

>>176039382
b-but I thought it's a broadside faction...

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1 down 2 to go :^)

Getting into the game, should I just play vanilla or are there mods necessary?

>>176039798
Vanilla is a passable game, but most of the fun reside in mods

>>176039798
Mods definitely aren't necessary, especially the current available ones. You should also definitely develop your knowledge and tastes of the vanilla game as there are options in how you play the game, and how you even outfit your ships which make it lovingly complex similar to an RPG.

>>176039627
Well people kept complaining that broadsiders all looked similar. So a few ships will be able to both broadside and fight up front with somewhat different shapes. Although I can still decide that the side mediums won't be able to quite reach the front and force it to broadside too.

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RESTOCKED
REFUELED
STILL HAVE WAIFUCORES IN CARGO

2 MORE STATIONS TO BTFO

>>176039978
>Well people kept complaining that broadsiders all looked similar.

And rightfully so. Glad to see you're trying out different shapes.

I'd still prefer more asymmetry.

>>176023739
Load ship_data.csv in a spreadsheet. (Save your sanity, don't use a notepad variant.)
Fighter bays = column L
CR deploy cost = column AI
Then AI/L.

If you want other figures;
CR recover cost = column AL
Supplies per month = column AM

Hope this helps.

>>176040671
Sorry but that faction is not one for asymmetry. I won't go further than off-center bridges on some ships. (fortunately for you, Shadowyard updated with a nice big new asymmetrical carrier)

As for "rightfully", well it was kind of the goal I was going for. Giant phallic bricks of ships bristling with weapons, and that won't change. But I see no harm in adding a handful of different ones for those that are bothered by the mono-shape theme. I mean, the whole faction started as a joke I made once I discovered the trick to make AI friendly broadsiders... (Outer rim Alliance... Phallic ships... All that)

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lol

>>176038443
Cheat engine it, bby. Add .0 to the end or you won't find it.

>>176041935
You can also edit your save. Just open campaign.xml in the save folder, find your money and change it.

>>176041842
>The combat analysis system churns for a few seconds and then beeps angrily instead of producing the usual range oft tactical recommendations.

CA system is cute. CUTE!

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>>176041329
maybe something like this? kind of like a line battle siege ship, covering a wide range of the enemy front

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>two drovers just fly up and die to the station

shoulda checked the officer traits

>>176038443
go to the forum and find the console mod

you can also cheat skillpoints or items or whatever

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last one!

>only got 3 alpha cores from that last one

REE

How do I make a good fleet in this?
Seems like I get fucked up outside of the beginning kind of zones
And should I side with any particular faction to make starting out easier?

Wiat, i see ss+ updated, but wasnt it discontinued adn spread over multiple mods?

>>176042389
play more and you'll learn what works

number one rule is to not take risks you don't have to take, starsector is definitely about playing it safe because you can very easily make a small mistake with catastrophic results

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>11 fleets near me

oh boy

>>176042147
If I ever get around making a second Capital ship I'll think about something along those lines. (or maybe a battle carrier?)

>>176042389
Here's my starting out strat. Get at least one skill point in salvaging. Buy a tanker and fill it up by salvaging in-system wrecks.

As soon as you have enough fuel to do a exploration mission, do it. Solo any remnant probes/ships with your Wolf.

Return to civilised space with the cores. Cash in for 100k and buy a bunch of lashers and wolfs and proceed to do whatever.

>>176042523
>Local carrier fleet not so tough after being raped

>>176042389
Guide
>buy Dram ASAP
>get at least 2.5 fuel needed to destination for things

>I prefer to play bounty hunter and hunt bounties, go low for ez kills
>purchase more wolfs/lashers
>do bigger bounties
>get destroyers
>do bigger bounties
>get cruisers/carriers
>do bigger
>etc etc get bigger

>>176042793
The only way those remnants are gonna win is through CR degradation.
And he's standing on the jump point so its moot anyway

>>176042987
I also have transverse jump

>>176041329

Hey mate, I've a question. I got that Avionic's combat freighter and I've put on all the avionic's weapons on it, but the damn thing just sits there during combat. I tell it to assualt some equally slow foe while faster folk go clean house, but it just sits out of range and never attacks. That normal behavior or am I just using it wrong? Though, I got jumped by a bigass scavenger fleet right outside a jump point and it got destroyed during retreat. Still, I am curious.

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they just keep coming

Nexerelin and BRDY WHEN

Should I go for a big freighter, big civilian ship, or big battleship?
Trying not to run out of supplies or money so I'm not sure what order I should go in or if I should ever even bother with a civilian ship.

>>176043527
That's weird, it doesn't have a Civilian tag so it should act like any other ship. Unless the vanilla bug with some ship-systems is still present. I'll check that.

I forgot where I stored some of my ships
Is there any easy way to find out?

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REEEEE WHERE THE FUCK IS THE STATION

>>176044465
in the sector map toggle "exploration", that will show you whether or not you have been in a system I think

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NO HIDING NOW YOU FUCK

[unintelligible remnant AI code crying about how OP carriers are]

ez a fuck lol

>stations don't move
>piranha bombers get 100% damage in when they're supposed to be innaccurate

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>>176045097
forgot image

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based technologically advanced space jews

>>176045651
>fleet of astrals paragons moras and drovers
>several million in the bank
>still grinding for money
???

>>176045731
>not replacing all drovers with astrals

>>176045815
for one astral you could deploy like 4 drovers which is way more fighters

What's a good gameplay loop that promotes fighting pirates?
In Warband I'm able to ride around killing Sea Raiders and sustain myself with the loot I get from them and even upgrade stuff. In Starsector I lose more supplies post-battle than what I gain from fighting a pirate fleet.

>>176046167
>In Starsector I lose more supplies post-battle than what I gain from fighting a pirate fleet.
Run (D) ships with the Industry skills and now you won't. I can deploy my full fleet of destroyers and frigates and even a cruiser for around 38 supplies and loot twice as many from the enemy.

>>176046167
Make it so selling shit on pirate bases is very profitable but make it so everyone else hates you for doing it.

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Can't wait for the 8.1 and Nex+ updates, a good reeason to throw around muh millions and burn fleets.

>>176046167
Break up bounty hunting with surveying or scavenging. Supplies are a lot more expensive than fuel. Also, pick up multiple bounties at once if they're close by one another.

>>176046362
>(D) ships
What are those exactly? I've been lurking threads and playing. So far these ships in my fleet have negative permanent hull mods and that's it. But I get the impression that there is another type of (D) ships

>>176046412
How?

>>176046753
>So far these ships in my fleet have negative permanent hull mods and that's it.
That's it. They are by default cheaper to deploy, but some of the Industry related skills make them even cheaper and reduce the effects of the negative hull mods.

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check out my collection senpais

>>176046708
Yeah I've been doing Surveying in between which pays out fuckloads. It's basically the thing that allows me to fight pirates, making it the main aspect instead of pirate hunting. I was just wondering if there's a way to reverse these roles

>>176046876
probably bought all of them

>>176046753

>(D) Ships - normal ships damaged in battle with defective hull mods that can be restored
>(D) ships - decommissioned/defective ones that have less OP or/and less weapon mounts and worse stats
>combination of both
Alex told that he will make 2nd category as separate tag(like (P) - for pirate or something).

>Alt tab away for awhile with my big ass Diable survey & salvage fleet

>-70 Supplies
>Missing like 30CR
>fucking 1200 supplies gone in seconds

Holy fuck. The Anti Hyperspace storm effecting skills need to be exponentially fucking stronger.javascript:;

>>176047172
>alt tabbing and not even pausing the game while in a nebula
what exactly did you expect

>>176047172
>>176047338
At least quicksave before!

>>176046987
Not until you have multiple salvaging ships with which the payout for battles in supplies not only covers the cost of deployment but the cost of the trip as well. At that point the only thing you'll be paying is for fuel and with the increasing bounties you'll be raking in the dosh.

Even then it's no match for surveying (or "farming" AIs from encounters with remnants in beacon-ed systems) as far as money goes.

The way the game is right now, best thing you can do at the start is survey what planets you can in the inner systems for the dough and fight the occasional pirate/bounty for the exp.

>Aurora
what do

>>176047092
What does the second category look like in the game?
>>176047456
I see. It will have to do for now then.

>>176047637
They have different descriptions.
Normal ships that have received negative hull mods from battles start with "This ship has suffered extensive..." or something along those lines.