/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

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F U N

I was completing a quest

>>175966874
>/hsg/ Tournament
Stop posting this.

>>175966985
>casual
>deck tracker in casual
did you really wait for the new thread to be linked just to share your stupid casual mode screenshot. fucking cringe

>>175967138
>I only enable deck tracker for serious moments in a children's card game
Maybe you should go fuck yourself

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>>175967138
Are you okay anon? You seem a little upset.

In any case, are the last two Kharazan wings worth picking up or should I just leave them be and wait for the next adventure to come out?

>rag shot to the dome past his wide board
>trying to friend me

Heh, greetings

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>Priest shitter invites himself into my deck
>WITHOUT MY CONSENT
Priest players are LITERALLY the rapists of Hearthstone.

>>175967471
>>175968087
such great posts in the span of 10 minutes. good thing a new thread was made or we might have missed them

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>>175967350
Blizz says they're not doing any more adventures. That's the last one you're gonna get. I'd say you might as well. It's still decent dust value in the long run .

p2w

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>>175968220
you can always just go back the way you came

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>tfw outplaying your opponent
feels so good

>>175968224
Oh that's right, they did announce something like that, didn't they? I bet it'll still cost Gold though.

>>175968483
>basic priest
SKILL

last thread sucked btw

>>175968483
How core is Sherazim in Miracle? It's literally the only Rogue lego I don't have

>>175968892
He's main card of deck.

>>175968892
I never draw the fucker in decent time( Van Cleef either). You can definitely get by without it.

>>175968892
It's not absolutely essential for what Miracle does but it goes on top extremely nicely with what they're already doing. Kind of like Van Cleef, but rather than one huge dude you're getting a recurring medium dude throughout the game.

>Pretty much no chance of winning unless my opponent gets Hearthstoned
>Play Jeweled Macaw
>Get a Hydra
>Drop Barnes
>Get a Tundra Rhino
>Play Hydra have exact lethal


Haha that guy just got an epic tale to tell his friends

>>175968892
not core at all, i'm actually considering cutting it.

>>175968087
Is zetalot literally the saddest hearthstone player? He can't participate in tournaments because he only plays priest and he does nothing else besides playing ranked standard in the dumpster ranks.

>>175964116
i just come here for advice and memes, i don't know why would hang in here daily to chat with people
generals are like that

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*blocks your path*

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>>175968660
I'm a bit disappointed we didn't see anything extra in Un'Goro, since if we're looking at the old schedule of expansion/adventure/expansion/adventure, Un'Goro would've been an adventure. Oh well, no dinosaur exploration for us.
>spoiler
It's likely, and whatever the payoff is, it's probably not gonna be nearly the value they had to let go of with Adventure cards, they're not gonna repeat that mistake. You know, I wonder if that's a reason they took out Adventures in the first place, but I digress.

whats even the point of 1-of limit for paladin legendaries

i just came out of a game where i played against two lightlords and two tirions
he had NONE on his base deck

>>175969175
wait, i misread that as shaku. sherazin IS the deck. i also include a shadowcaster and shadowstep for the sole purpose of procreation. sherazin is that good.

>>175970235
How did he get two light lords?

>>175970395
servant of kalimos

>>175969991
adventures were the only thing I paid for after the first year since I knew what I was getting, but since they went full jew, they won't get another cent from me.
>>175970235
I told you discover was cancer.

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>>175970427
>>175970235
Shamans are pulling the same jank with Earth/Fire Elemental and Al-Akir. Not as beefy overall but much more likely to immediately kill you.
I wonder if there's a Wild Concede Shaman around that's running that sort of build, that sounds hilarious.

>>175970569
I'm full f2p but I made sure to earn every tier of every adventure asap. Decently fun to play through and it's nice to know what cards you're getting, in addition they didn't really hold back on the power level of the cards so you really felt like you got some worth for the laddering too.

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*topdecks you*

somebody post me a dragon priest list that isnt gay
>inb4 nigger priest suck cock
>inb4 the person who says that literally plays pirate warrior
>inb4 inb4 is so 2012
> the in b4 time
>little foot snackin on tree stars

>>175971527
You mean Wild, right? Standard Dragon Priest is so gay it's transgendered to Rogue

>>175971763
Wild dragon priest isnt priest. it's shitty taunt warrior. i mean standard dragon priest you fuck.

>giving a minion +2/+6 costs 5 mana
>giving a minion +2/+6, taunt and deathrattle: summon a 2/6 with taunt costs 6 mana

how in the fuck is spikeridged steel even R E M O T E L Y balanced

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Can you lose stars at rank 10?

>>175968892
he's a second van cleef, so he's pretty good

give me your best meme deck

>>175972312
You cant drop below rank 10 0 stars

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>Hungry Crab enemies murloc
>they always concede

>build a fucking incredible WIDE board dome burner package deck
>even include a dome healer package
>utterly REKT my way from 20 to 19

No stopping me lads

>>175972560
yeah
pretty much every paladin player expects to win the game by having early board control, taking that away from them is like playing reno when you're at 1 hp vs a face deck

i have never beaten aggro druid

>>175972292
It's not
It's overloaded like crazy
You either have the perfect answer aka silence or transformation to it or you get outvalued/tempoed

>>175972863
I have as Taunt Warrior

Even a game where he had like 3x 4+ attack minions on the board turn 2

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man this used to be a fun deck earlier today, really made some quest rogues cry, but now I only get taunt quest or face warriors, litereally 7 warriors in 8 matches, and I only managed to win once against a warrior.

Now this deck is probably shit, but I tried to do something different without any deck guides and it's fun.

How could I improve it?

>>175973196
Medivh instead of dragons and a second amber

>>175973325
that....could work. What are some good "use medivh more than once" cards? Or what would you suggest otherwise to fill the deck?

>>175972623
I actually lold.

>silence does not affect quest rogue minions 5/5 values

Welp. Into the trash it goes. Always used dragonfire potion, never knew that.

>build a full burn package deck
>burn face every turn

Could it work?

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my greetings

>>175973196
What is this deck supposed to do
Your win condition is ysera or what?
>mass dispel
>spellbreaker
>operative with your only dragon being ysera
>no shadow visions

If you want to survive until turn 9 for ysera you'll need dragonfire potions or other crazy defensive tools which this deck clearly lacks

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very funny Blizzard

>>175974216
Pay up anon
A small entry fee of a thousand gold

>>175974079
You're right, it lacked. Though there was one more draconite operative and a dragon seer, that was never much of a problem.

Defensive tools was having high HP minions ready to kill other minions, which worked suprisingly well.

I mainly did it just to annoy quest rogues which really pissed me off, so it's full of 5/6 minions and silence, which I thought would reduce their minions to 1/1 again.

Yes I failed.

>>175973785
not sure. no ones ever tried aggro before

>>175968087

If priests are rapists because they have all of the cards that get random copies of cards from their opponents deck, what does that make rogues and mages?

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why the fuck is EVERYONE playing Mage now???

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>>175974340
>which I thought would reduce their minions to 1/1 again
I wish I could've seen you the moment you tried to silence one with your silence deck

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>>175969175
>>175970245
>not core at all, i'm actually considering cutting it.
>wait, i misread that as shaku. sherazin IS the deck.

*wipes sweat from brow*

Also vilespine slayer x2 is core, right? That 800 dust cost is fucking me right now god fucking dammit

>>175974573
I'm sure it was extra funny since I had the gall to send "greetings" just before I UNLEASHED THE SILENCE.

>>175974426
They're netdecking that shitty Medivh mage

>>175974426

Most fun deck in the game because they have all of the best/most competitive RNG cards. Also the best 1 drop, ice block, and if all else fails the best burn.

Is it possible to drop ranks in this game?

>>175974759
Kharazan was a mistake

>>175974762
You cannot drop lower than 20, 15, 5 and Legend respectively once you reach them.

The fuck? I didn't get a new quest for today.
Blizzard robbed me.

Is this a common occurance?

>>175974910
>15, 5
what

>play medivh
>priest opponent opens elise pack
>gets ooze from it
>also pyros
>next turn he drops flameblaze elemental

fun and balanced having to play around an entire set worth of cards.

>>175975138
He meant 20,10,5,legend

>>175975136
sorry goy, but they have to eat too

>>175975138
I knew I was missing something and after reading my comment twice I still saw nothing wrong.
Yes, also 10.

I'm going to bed, fuck NA /hsg/ anyway.

>>175975156
At least you had a story to tell your friends
If that's what you can call us

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just lost a game vs a mage with 4 iceblocks

>>175974029
*plays dirty rat*
*damages your hydra*
*executes your hydra*

I'll crush you!

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>>175975539
>in the 2 card brawl sometimes people would run ice block and another card
>with babbling book you could get over 15 ice blocks in a game potentially

>>175975539
I had a mage with 3 ice blocks, 3 pyroblasts and 3 fireballs once, alot of good my 40 armor did.

who need 80g post id

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>>175975848
>I'll

>>175974645
Vilespine Slayer is the second best plant.

>>175975958
Which server?

>>175976020
okay

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how do I emotionally detach from the outcome of the game?

>>175976107
EU

>>175976257
Werty#2246

I could use it considering I just got robbed of a quest.

>>175976180

by realizing that its just a game, and that by getting so upset over it, you're outting yourself as an autist and a disgrace to humanity

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Have you ever seen more cancerous openers?

RUTGERS PACKS ARE IN

RUTGERS PACKS ARE IN

I REPEAT

WE ARE WIN

EVEN THOUGH IT'S MEAN STREETS PACKS

>>175976350
okay

>>175976180
Cut yourself
Not joking it should help

>>175976449
>tfw i voted canada

did i screw myself?

>>175976001
>epic instead of a rare

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

>>175969743
>>175971256
Yugioh players must fucking geniuses cuz i don't understand a single word from those cards.

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>>175976405
>cancer #1
>cancer #2

based sense of humor anon

>>175976449
FAKE NEWS

>>175976636
its on EU obv

>>175976616
Must be*

>>175976708
I'm on EU and I've got nothing

>>175976636
I'm EU. Didn't know it mattered. I guess it did just pass midnight. Open your EU server account and they should be there.

>>175976857
Then what did I just get the packs for? Relog?

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>he top decks the answer

>>175976616
>First one:
You can not summon this minion normally, you must summon it by having these types of minions on the board, discard them once you summon this minion
Effect: Every time your opponent plays or tries to activate a card, you may choose to discard it instead, you may only do this once per turn.
Deathrattle: Summon another minion
>Second one:
You can not summon this minion normally. You must summon it by playing these three exact minions and having them on the board at one time.
Battlecry: Win

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>current year
>not being a weed gamer
>not having powerful neuronal connections and increased focus

Why do you enjoy losing so much, guys?

>>175977102
>Teammate on weed in Overwatch/CS:GO/Dota 2
>Lose because they're shit
This happened enough to convince me not to do drugs.

>>175976180
I listened to a podcast that suggested focusing on just playing a certain number of games each day to work toward a golden hero. Then, in theory, you can view each game as contributing toward your goal regardless of the outcome.

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>play quest rogue for my rank 5 climb
>people 's turns getting slower and slower the closer you get to finishing the quest
>concede the second you finish it

>>175977090
>discard

anon what

destroy

>>175977102

>be stoned
>play combos in wrong order
>position minions wrong
>attack in incorrect order

I love playing the game high, i'm just too retarded to not make mistakes

>>175973480

>Medivh
>2x Amber
>1x Mind Control

MEMES

>>175977232
I did this and got gold Jaina

Now I just meme deck

>>175976180

Basically understand that variance is a thing, even the best of the best players top out at 70% win rate, and 1 game doesn't matter compared to 100 games.

Use deck tracker, it keeps track of your wins and losses and even saves replays you can watch later. Then you look at the games you lost and analyze WHY you lost. Did you make a mistake? Or did the opponent just get lucky once, twice, X times?

What matters is that you make the best move every turn of every game with a good, complete deck. You can be upset if you lost a game you could have otherwise won because you fucked up, you should just laugh at RNG because there will be just as many if not more games where YOU will be the one winning because of bullshit RNG, over the course of 100+ games.

The short version is that you don't look at 1 game, you look at 10 games or 50 games or 100 games. Variance.

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>>175977090
>Battlecry: Win
Countered by Dirty Rat LMAO

>>175977102
Because I unironically have much better things to do when stoned instead of playing Hearthstone.

It's a 100% shitter/lunch break/train game for me.

How the hell do you win against quest rogue?

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>>175977521
>You can be upset if you lost a game you could have otherwise won because you fucked up
But this doesn't make me angry at all, it gives me something to reflect on and learn from.

>you should just laugh at RNG
This is what makes me angry because I have no control over it and it feels as though my RNG is always less favorable than my opponent. A win stolen from me due to RNG feels like a personal sleight against me. Nothing of value is gained when you win or lose due to RNG, it's just frustration.

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>mfw as a token druid I'm faster than pirate warriors

>>175977857
Keep hitting her in the face when she's bouncing minions.

>>175977857
>dirty rat
>a small loan of six million ice blocks
>SMOrc

>>175977857

Counterspell

>>175977857
bully their face

>>175978053
>*casts prep*
>"Amazing!"

>>175977857

Play hunter. I've honestly never lost in all roughly 25 games vs quest rogue as hunter.

>>175978163

Even prep is a good counter desu

>>175978289
Yeah you'll definitely win the game over that

>>175977857
Eye for an Eye off Hydrologist

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>glyph into another fuckign freeze
>my board has fucking frozen for 5 turns

>>175977892
It's the concept of relative perception. People tend to focus twice as much on negative events than they are on positive events, due to the human mind always having an intent behind it that negative events run contrary to. Akin to getting a crit in Pokémon or TF2, you would have to have positive random events happen to you twice as often as negative random events for you to feel that they balance out. The importan thing to remember is that the person you're playing against has felt that feeling just as often as you, and that it's nothing serious. Instead, focus on what you can directly improve. Track your winrate and deck matchups, see what you want to curve out with, your answers, etc. channeling that frustration into improving will help you far more and give you confidence.

>>175977857
shove your curve down their ass and hope they dont have a double shadowstep hand

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>top deck c'thun
>top deck faceless manipulator
>top deck eater secrets

full satisfaction

>>175978921
LISTO

>>175979134
Looks like renolock, but instead of running good minions he runs c thun and his followers

>>175978921
>retard mage takes 1 min to figure out he should pyro face with ice block up
>half way through my deck and no flare that I put in just for these assholes.

No fucking justice.

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Is murloc pally the new cancer?

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>missing all palladin legendaries
>only crafting 1 or 2 will be a half measure at best

Do you think Kibler jerks himself off in the corner every night while Natalie gets penetrated in every orifice?

>>175979379
I don't think about e-celebs
Sorry anon

>>175977857
Quest Rogue doesn't run any heal. Her mission is to play 4 minions of the same name - yours is to deal 30 damage to her. So basically smorc the shit out of her

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How can i tweak this list? Do I need Dirty Rats? Is Dragon better to play than Miracle or Silence?

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every day until you like it

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>>175978849
Very insightful, anon.

red pill me on the strongest rogue deck right now

>>175979210
It is one of the best meta decks right now and will probably survive around the top at least until the next set.

Token druid is actually the king of pure bullshit bottom right aggro plays, even if it's not as consistent as murloc pally or pirate warrior.

>>175979379
no way, he does it while licking the guy's balls

why is playing against priest so unfun?

>>175979698
It plays a different game than all the other decks and it's really effective, although not unbeatable.

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>tfw the only match you lost today was the mirror

>>175974216
I just got it too

I thought they fixed it last time, what the fuck

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>>175979210
Is priest the new cancer?

>>175979639
too fucking greedy
>>175979889
cause the games are slow no matter what
either they draw their cards in the right order or slowly lose

>>175979889
Because priest has no clear win condition except for random Inner Fire and turns the entire match into wading through his bullshit. In the end you lose because you're overwhelemed by bullshit, or he loses because his bullshit can't deal with your gameplan.

>>175979639
I'd say switch Ysera for a Defender of Argus, taunting up a Twilight Drake makes quest rogues weep and if you really are versing a control matchup you can just pick an Ysera from the Historians anyway

You could also try switching Free from Amber for a Book Wyrm because I'm guessing you end up with a hand full of value and not enough mana to play it all the time, right?

>build this deck
>http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/817550-legend-value-control-mage
>Only 10 and 6 with it
sigh

>>175980684
Yep to the unplayable hand thing. Do you think 2x Argus and one Bookwyrm would be better?

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best girl is streaming Hearthstone again! ^__^

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How do I beat the final boss of Karazan on heroic?

>>175980927
just play secret mage it's fun as fuck pham

>>175980971
cut ysera, the oracle, free from amber
cut lyra or elise 1 or the other running both is too greedy. id say lyra theres not enough synergies and if youre holding spells for it youre playing it wrong
put in weapon removal(new ooze is good cause lots of pirates, medivh, and pallys), book wyrms and glimmeroot

some kind of proactive early game plays so you dont get run over by every aggro deck in the game

your deck makes 0 sense unless all you play against is fedora warrior and nzoth palladins

>>175981495
how so?

>>175981308
Thaddius Shaman

>>175981213
what a goddess :o

>>175981570
are you asking why secret mage is fun?

>>175979794
Yea but he shits on both pirate warrior and murloc pally.

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>Houndmaster isn't a beast

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>>175979639
I also like being a priestfag

>>175979639
Dragonfire ended up being a dead card in my hand in way too many times so I cut one. I had much better results after. If you really need it you can shadow visions it anyway.

>>175982272
because he's a humanoid

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post some golds

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Should I craft the second Living Mana for Aggro Druid? Atm I have only one, but sometimes I feel that I need it more often. But it is also a dead card until you actually need it, and I can't afford to many dead cards in a deck like this. Thoughts?

>watching new player play hearthstone
>they put lord of the arena in their deck and remove senjin
>believe magma rager is good until someone tells them otherwise
>they would probably be paired against net decks if they played rank
Why is the new player experience so bad?

>>175982637
Just stop playing the game desu

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>>175982725

>>175982637
the decks not worth playing without 2
this only doesnt apply if you play wild where theres better options

>>175981308

The orc is retarded and goes full SMOrc if your life is lower than 15.

>Pick mage
>Fill your deck with defensive shit like water elemental.
>Pick counterspell
>Pick animated armor and healbot.
>Use animated armor when you are below 14 and SMOrc will just ignore it and hit your face for fuck all damage.
>Use healing and CC to control the flow of the board and keep your health between 6-14 while you draw your deck and get your board filled.
>Play counterspell and push over to the Prince and counterspell removes the twisting nether.
>Go face and win quickly.

Easy when you know how but might take 2 or 3 goes.

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>forgot to attack with Patches again

>>175982971
its been 6 months now you have no excuse anymore

>>175982637

I made a second one for wild memes

>>175982971
this kind of player is the reason quests cost 1 mana

>>175982272
>inb4 go play wow and learn lore

>>175982971

It's because the animation takes so long to start.

>>175982494
kindly grandmother

?

>>175983385

WoW is where lore goes to die

>>175983486
it's a beta

>>175982725
>they would probably be paired against net decks if they played rank
I play on new acc. Rank 20 looks like this
>quest rogue
>quest rogue
>quest warrior
>quest warrior
>midrange hunter
>midrange hunter
>some exotic decks with tons of legendaries
Hearthstone is not dead only because of fanatics and whales

>>175983409
this.

Blizzard needs to get rid of the meme cannon and just make him drop onto the board immediately after playing a pirate. The animation wastes so much time.

>>175983495
WoW lore is great.

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How come I can destroy a murloc, and a pirate but I can't destroy a dragon?

>Disguised toast is currently 7-2 with Renouncelock

How far did you get with your meta netdeck /hsg/?

>>175983672

Warcraft lore is great
WoW lore is a mess

>>175983713

I've got to rank 5 with wild control hunter

>>175983768
>Warcraft lore is great
Nostalgia goggles.

>>175983713
I can't afford 10 dollars

>>175983876

Don't you just know it all. I only played warcraft 3 last year.

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>>175983713
I don't have any decks.

>>175983839
Thats impressive but not heroic brawl.

>>175983713
I don't play this game.

>>175984082

Oh, I didn't realise it was the brawl. That's crazy that renounce is working.

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Do you think we will ever be able to pause quest progress?

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>>175984460
>quest: kill yourself
>reward: 10000 gold

>>175984678
I'm at 26/26.

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>>175984678
ez

>select flame geyser
>game selects meteor for me
>I play meteor on a 1/2

S M A L L I N D I E C O M P A N Y

>>175984460
no, blizzard wants us completing these shitty quests since it means we get less gold

thats why the meak minions, spells, 3 wins, 5 cost minions are all 40 gold

>>175982971
>>175983409
>>175983551

You are all retards.

Good lord this game is so expensive now

Any "f2p legend run" streams? Or it's not possible now?

>>175984893
Why do they have to be such cunts about it though. I get that they hate f2p, but at least don't be so sneaky.

>>175985104
its probably possible but it would take way more games on average and be really boring

why would you want to watch that

>>175983713
>He is 8 now.
>This game is considered esport

brb crafting renounce

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>playing any high attack minion
>gets punished by a 3 mana 3/3

For such a powerful card is really does have a fucking bullshit statline.

Is having the ability set attack equal to 1 not valuable enough to penalty a card to being higher mana? You practically make any fucking card useless

>>175985104
It's entirely possible, especially with how cheap hunter is

Never understood the point of those runs though since they don't prove anything, it's tournament-level pros farming arenas for easy gold and disenchanting everything that's not going to be in a Tier1 deck, something actual F2Pers can't and don't do

>>175985809

>Complaining about follow da rules.
>Tarim is literally all round better by several degrees.

>>175985985
Follow le rules is a classic card

Tarim fucks off in 2 years

Therefore le draenei 1 attack man is more powerful

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>It's another "only lose to constructed decks" arena run

>>175986175
the more i play arena the more i start to sympathize with Kripp

>>175985809
>a body on the board is useless
okay

>>175972959
it does need a target, and gets hardcountered by sap

>>175986406
The worst part is I always start 4-0 and then end 5-3 or 6-3. Mostly because my opponent starts chaining blazecallers or some other bullshit.

>>175986824
the difference between a 4/5 and 1/5 is massive.

>>175985809
>don't realize that having a high hp minion with 1 attack is actually prettty good vs paladin
The devs knew what they were doing with the basic set, it only turned to shit afterwards
.

Post Zeriyah Nudes!

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>>175987071

I feel bad for Savjz, being trapped in a relationship with a jewy old hag

>>175986872
It can even cost you the game if you're clicking face with your Kor'Kron elite.

>>175987293
Who said anything about aggro

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reminder that you can do anything if you can set your mind to it

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>>175987141
thats a sandwich....

>>175987393
Because if losing 3 attack on a minion is massive for your gameplan, then what else are you suppossed to be playing

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>>175987071

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Can someone seriously explain to me how Primordial is remotely balanced? Even Unstable Portal was bullshit, but at least they didn't get to fucking discover it. Like, name 10 bad Mage spells, and the fact they get to choose is even more bullshit. The odds of getting a bad card of Glyph is low, and Mage needs a fucking nerf.

>>175987602
you're a fucking sandwich

>>175987781
and everyone likes sandwiches :>

>>175987771
because you're paying 2 mana to do nothing

I'm not justifying that's why it's not bullshit, it's bullshit because it's discover that makes it bullshit but that's why blizzard sees it as "balance", because you pay 2 mana to do essentially nothing.

>>175987771
lol just play around it

>>175966985
sorry lads which deck tracker is this? mine looks like shit

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>>175982954
HOLY FUCK, I THOUGHT YOU ONLY COULD USE STANDARD CARDS BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO SWITCH TO WILD FROM PLAY MODE!!!


HOLY FUCK, THANK YOU!

>>175987871
>because you're paying 2 mana to do nothing
it does do something though. it lets you discover an answer with putting the answer in your deck. you even the play the discovered card for the same amount you would if it was in your deck.

>>175987771
>shatter
>freezing potion
>every secret except iceblock
>arcane missiles (in most matchups)
>greater arcane missiles
>flame geyser
>mirror image
>molten reflection

Mage has a shit-ton of shitty spells. The problem is that the good mage spells are busted as fuck. That's why glyph is a gazillion times better than truly random shit like tome.

>>175988086
But it doesn't have an immediate impact on board.

>>175988289
Yes it does, because you don't pay mana for it. You search for an answer and you get to play it on the same turn.

>>175988086
If you're on turn 7, and you need a flamestrike and you glyph into a flamestrike you still payed 7 mana for that flamestrike.

I think it's the fact it can draw shit like ice block that tends to get to people more

>>175988289
The spells you pull often have very much immediate impact.

You don't play it on curve unless you have mana wyrm out obviously and it's easy to play it whenever you'd float mana otherwise.

>start arena
>got one epic card and no legendaries

Nice.

>>175985081

I thought this all the way back in GvG even but I honestly believe Naxx (when you could get the first wing for free) was the last time you could legitimately start the game and remain f2p forever while maintaining a decently sized collection.

Still thankful all the time that I got in during that time just before the door shut.

>>175988289
it does but it doesnt even need to. discovering another pyroblast or iceblock is insane already.

>>175988486
i think it's the fact that you can discover the perfect answer is what triggers people, because you can't really play around that.

>>175988067
literally your first reply was mentioning Wild-only cards.......

>>175986175

>Last rogue deck
>5-2
>Mage gets glyph into pyroblast the turn before I kill him.
>Stories to tell your friends!

>>175988509
>>175988725
That's not what immediate board impact means you retards

>>175989023
>glyph into flamestrike
>clear opponents board
how is that not immediate board impact? it directly affects the board

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>watching DeerNadia's stream
>tries to Coin+Innervate+Living Mana on turn 2
>gets bitchy when she only gets 2 treants
why are women SO entitled???

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>Just beat this guy
>He was legend playing Nzoth priest I think
>I was playing Maly Rogue and killed him from 27

Bask in the salt with me fellows

>>175989102
I'm talking about the idiots who think holding a pyroblast is "board impact"

>>175989023
It isn't guaranteed immediate board impact, but it obviously impacts the board when you pull a good spell. Is this bait?

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>>175989125
>>watching DeerNadia's stream

>>175989234
You have to play a spell to have an "impact on the board" ya fucking idiot.

If you pick up a spell and hold it that's not impacting shit. You idiots are arguing that paying 2 mana to do nothing but choose a spell and then ntohing with it is literally swinging the game in your favour when you've done nothing.

>>175983876
>see warlords
>see legion
>see tbc retcons
No, wow lore is a fucking mess and it just have gotten worse

>>175989338
Are you thinking that you can only play glyph on turn 2?

>Priest - 2 mana, discover a spell in your deck (literally 2 mana do nothing).
>Paladin 6 mana, 4/4 (shit stats), discover a paladin spell, heal that much mana cost.
>Warrior - 1 mana, discover a taunt (lots of terrible 3/2 shit)
>Hunter - TOPLOL CARD DRAW
>Mage - 2 mana, discover a great spell, get 12 mana worth of burst on another turn or an instant reaction this turn for free.

One of these is not balanced with the others...

>>175988725
>i think it's the fact that you can discover the perfect answer is what triggers people, because you can't really play around that

This is the thing.

The taunt turtle is another problematic card, but while especially paladin can get some insane pulls from that, very few taunts can heavily impact the game immediately - basically only Dirty Rat, sometimes Tarim depending on the board, Primordial Drake which you can't even play on the same turn because there is no discount. That makes it much easier to at least try and play around it knowing they just pulled a taunt since they're more limited in what they can do.

Glyph is just much more flexible.

desu I've been playing wild the last few days probably like most everyone else and while I think Glyph is the most cancerous Un'Goro card so far, it barely compares to some of the old bullshit, so I'll take that.

>>175989403
Shadow Visions is fucking stupid what are you even smoking you shieldbearer.

>2 mana draw your shadow word pain or death

That's more stupid than some inane RNG shit from glyph

>>175987871
>because you're paying 2 mana to do nothing

Besides the fact that it also discounts your spell (which means you pay exactly 0 mana to choose a spell for siuation), the main problem is the fact that you now can't play around ANYTHING.

You can't predict the amount of aoe, burn or secrets they might have anymore. You start playing blind and just pray that mage's discover rng is bad. Mage matches are total rngfests right now. I don't remember a very successful deck consistently depending on this much rng before.

Lol look what happens when you suck blizzards dick so much, reddit literally sucked brode's dick for discover, now it's a problem and ruining the game, go figure.

>>175989221
it's pretty annoying to lose against solitaire decks though........

>>175989338
You can play it to fish for whatever you think you might want later and not float mana because of the discount.

Or you can play it when you need immediate answer.

What is so difficult to understand about this concept

>>175989638
No its not, you can only draw spells you put into your deck. That's actually great design. You have to keep track of the spells in your deck and you have to think about when to play it, because your next draw can always be the spell you wanted to discover with it.

>140 wins until golden hero

fuck

>>175990069
>2 mana draw your answer
>it's not strong!

Maybe if it's the last card in your deck but truth be told you're usually mulliganning for it.

It also doesn't take away the cake your draw from it, it only duplicates it, 3 dragonfire potions in 1 game? Yeah that's not stupid.

>>175989435

>Full list of mage spells

Great to get

>Arcane Intellect
>Fireball
>Flamestrike
>Frostbolt
>Polymorph
>Firelands Portal
>Blizzard
>Cabalist's Tome
>Greater Arcane Missiles
>Ice Block
>Meteor
>Primordial Glyph
>Pyroblast

Situational

>Arcane Missiles
>Freezing Potion
>Mirror Entity
>Mana Bind
>Counterspell
>Molten Reflection
>Potion of Polymorph
>Vaporize
>Volcanic Potion
>Spellbender

Bad

>Arcane Explosion
>Frost Nova
>Mirror Image
>Cone of Cold
>Ice Barrier
>Shatter
>Forbidden Flame

>Odds of getting all bad spells
>7/30 then 6/30 then 5/30
>Literally fuck all.

>>175989638
I agree with this anon >>175990069

Also shadow visions doesn't discount your spell like glyph so you can't shadow visions into dragonfire on turn 6.

>>175990180
>Frost Nova
>bad

>>175990180

Ahh fuck I swapped some of the spells round in Situational and bad. Please ignore. It's still a point though.

>LoE comes out

"Discover is great for the game!"

"This is amazing wow!"

>Un'goro

Discover is literally cancer!

Fuck you blizzard!

I hate standard!

>>175990281

Yeah Arcane missles, freezing are supposed to be bad and

>Arcane Explosion
>Frost Nova
>Mirror Image
>Cone of Cold
>Ice Barrier

are supposed to be situational.

>>175990335

>6 mana 6/3 Discover a Spell (shitty but aggressive stats if unanswered).

vs

>0 mana, discover a spell

Really comparable...

The only way discover needs to stick around is if it

A. Gets more restrictions (None of this vague bullshit like "spell") more like (3 mana spell) etc.

B. Gets taxed more as in the effect of discovering a card brings drown the statline or raises the mana.

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What could it be?

>>175990165
I didn't say it's not strong. You want only shitty new cards, so your poverty ass doesn't have to craft new cards? It's an interesting new cards that remedies the fact that all of priests spells are situational.

>>175990528
>>0 mana, discover a spell


This meme really needs to end. A discount doesn't void the fact that you still need to pay 2 mana to cast it in the first place.

God you fucking idiots need to learn some mathematics.

>>175990548
ZEEEPHYRS

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>suddenly "Explore Ungoro" arena RNG
>Soggoth ruined everything
>Grommash out of nowhere under taunt protection
>Malchezaar in the end
I hate this game.

>>175990180
There's some bad mage spells, but shit like Mirror Image or Frost Nova can be good if you get to pick it when you need it.

Same thing with secrets if you don't need to put them in your deck. Playing a discovered secret before their power turn can be sometimes worth more than picking up burn if they can't afford to play around mirror entity or counterspell.

>>175990650

>You have to play everything the turn you get it.

No...it's basically banking 2 mana for a turn.

Think of it this way. Imagine innervate lets you discover a druid card that you cannot play that turn.

>>175990691
Yeah you're right. I was so booty bothered by getting a dupe of him that I forgot to cap it lmao

>>175990650
It doesnt matter if you play it on turn 7 and discover flamestrike/meteor.

>>175990650
>A discount doesn't void the fact that you still need to pay 2 mana to cast it in the first place.
it literally does though
2 + x - 2 = ???

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>>175979653
>mfw had a dream about this guy posting this exact image again
strange feel.

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>>175988089
>every secret except iceblock
>flame geyser
>mirror image
>2 mana molten reflection
>shitty

Those are all potential game winners, anon. Fuck, I've had Shatter win me a few games, even though that IS shitty. Counterspelling/Spellbendering heal/removal is unreal in the salt that it generates

>>175990794
Uh no that's not even comparable, innervate allows you to skip turns while glyph is the equivalent to 2 emperor thaurrisan ticks.

There's a difference between being able to play a 4 mana drop on turn 1 than doing anything with glyph.

Innervate is one of the most stupid cards in this games existence and will forever make druid a viable deck.

You know what the most expensive card is in the history of Magic the Gathering? A worse innervate

>>175990950
>while glyph is the equivalent to 2 emperor thaurrisan ticks
what the fuck are you even talking about

>>175990180
>KKona Colt
>Nova
>Mirror Image
>Forbidden Flame
>bad

>>175991091
let me spell it out for you

Skipping turns you haven't reached yet is more powerful than discounting cards.

Glyph doesn't skip turns, it only discounts the cost, like a turn of Emperor Thaurrisan reduces the cost by 1.

>>175990950

>Glyph with spare mana T4
>T5 - Firelands Portal.

Does the same thing but costs you 2 mana on a turn of your convenience vs 1 card 'wasted'. Obviously 1 card is better to pay but innervate doesn't let you find bullshit that you need.

>>175990950
Black Lotus is a better innervate though, it gives you 3 mana.

Should I craft Patches or Wickerflame?

>>175991184
Innervate does enable to play more powerful shit that needs to be answered.

Let's say this, if Mage had glyph taken away from them, they'd still be fine.

If you remove Innervate from druid the class ceases to exist like Warlock right now.

Not saying Glyph isn't dumb, but Innervate is a way more important card for a class.

>>175991259
patches

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Not even memeing, this might be the worst card they've ever created.

>>175991298

Obviously that is the case but does it not say a lot about how much bullshit mage has that you can remove insanely powerful tools and they don't even feel it?

Though it's the RNG factor that most people hate. Obviously mages aren't pushing top win rates on ladder (arena is pretty broken though if they get a couple of 'power cards')

>>175991183
But you can't use the discounted emperor cards on the same fucking turn you absolute retard, how can you even compare these two

Innervate is also a bad comparison, although nowhere near as retarded.

Seriously, if you don't understand how paying mana upfront even if you don't want to play the card on the same turn is a good thing in cardstone, not even getting into le perfect answers discover, I don't know what to tell you.

>>175991519

Give it two patches and it will be a meta breaker.

>Cough unicorn priest cough

>>175991619
Unless they create more cards like silverware from karazhan the only thing this card will break is hopes and dreams of people who sadly get it from packs

>>175991519

It doesn't take a genius to work out that Blizzard is going to push discard lock until its busted. Happened with pirates, murloc, pally secrets and mass taunts, which they've been trying to do literally since GVG. Keeping this legendary because I know its going to happen.

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jade druid is way too strong right now, they need to nerf the fuck out of jade idol

>>175990902
Do you post this picture of jaina literally every single day?

>>175991519
>be warlock main
>actually spend time on this card
>build a deck that can't make it past rank 16

kill me

>>175991895
Until you can choose what cards you want to discoard and it's not "random" I don't see it happening.

>>175991298
>If you remove Innervate from druid the class ceases to exist like Warlock right now.

Except many, if not most token druid decks played at high ranks cut innervate, and that's always been the case with the stronger wild variant...

>>175981213
omg who is this

>>175992065
I wouldn't exactly call aggro a good indicator over a card's power level like Innervate.

Highmane is literally a legendary you can have 2 of and even Face Hunter didn't run it

>>175991521
...what? There are multiple Mage decks with tier 1 winrates right now.

>>175992019

They'll probably introduce discard mechanics that are more controllable, like discord the lowest costing card.

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Daily reminder there is no viable counter to quest rogue

>>175992514
my hunter says others

>>175991942
:)

>>175992514

The viable counter is called smash their face.

>>175992514
>goes first and plays a 1 drop
heh greetings

>>175992123
DeerNadia

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>>175992514
"Greetings, Traveler"

>>175992673
ty. she's really cute ;_;

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This game is garbage

I never ever get the correct cards in order to deal with this shit

Everyone who says taunt warrior is good are liars and use meme decks in order to climb ladder

>>175992980
and people wonder why it's dropping off the tier lists

>>175992980
dirty rat
execute
armorsmith

that should keep you alive

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>>175992952
she is P E R F E C T

>>175991519
Nah that's Kaleidosaur, I opened it as one of the 3 legendaries I get per expansion, imagine my fucking disappointment.

I tried making a whole deck around buffs, got wrecked.
I tried making it a hybrid with deathrattles, got wrecked.
I tried making it a hybrid with murlocs, got wrecked.
all this at ranks 17-20 btw where technically everything should work

At least Lakkari is good in Wild, but Kaleidosaur is shit fucking everywhere. Even if it only needed 4 buffs and the enemy minions counted as well, it would still be unplayable. What the fuck were they thinking.

>>175992980

I assume you hard mulligan for brawl and don't keep the quest? 90+% of druids are aggro, might as well discard that quest as it's worthless.

That leaves you seeing up to 14 cards (+ card draw) in your deck. Odds were pretty good you would get that brawl and he would be fucking dead. That looks like an all-in play to me and he hoped you didn't have a brawl in 8 possible cards...

Statistically you were favored to win that more than 50% of the time to be honest.

>>175974376
You're a cuck when a man fucks your girl, but are you a cuck if he instead fucks a complete stranger that happens to be your same ethnicity? Cunck about it.

>>175993203
her eyes are so pretty

>jade rogue

>>175993639
is fun

>literally every mage in arena now runs a pyroblast

F U N