/shmupg/ - Shoot 'em Up General

First for MAME is unacceptable for serious play. The chinks agree.

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There should be more games like Revolver360. The camera movement mechanic in this game was revolutionary. Was just too frantic for my taste.

i want to fuck some touhous

>>175932047
which touhous wud you like to fugg?

>>175932787
Reimu my favorite, then Reisen.

>>175933648
Such a normie taste.

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>>175929928
>Last
Is Casper gonna die or something?

>>175931386
Doesnt seem like anyone cares about this game at all. Is it bad?

>>175936803
No, I think it's one of the best shmups on steam. It's just very unique and plays very differently from your usual shmup, which is probably why nobody plays it.

>>175937095
>>175936803
The thing I dislike about the game is just that it is so frantic and has a shield system.
Similar like Astebreed, which is also very well done, but just too chaotic.
Another thing I dislike is also that it partly plays like a rail shooter. It's very much inspired by REZ I think, which is not really my type of game.

Still, a very unique and interesting game though, with very cool art style and music too.

How should you respond to someone who turns on a game for the first time, doesn't check what the button assignment is, starts first stage and launches a bomb with the first button they press and then gets mad at the game.

Should shmups have to follow a rigid button layout for the base buttons (shoot, bomb) even if they have 4+ buttons or is this on the player?

>>175941228
You call them a fucking retard for not reading info thats clearly spelled out for them as soon as they begin the game, what else?

>>175941228
you should tell them to go back to special ed because they're clearly a fucking retard

>>175941228
you congratulate them for passing the test, they've tested negative and can lead a healthy happy normal life.

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>>175941228
Reminds me of this one Deathsmiles LP video that I took a peek at once.

>She chooses a character
>Leaves tutorial on "Yes"
>"Tutorial, press the A button to fire, yeah yeah yeah"
>Mashes start immediately and skips the tutorial
>heads into the first level
>about 3 seconds in, enemy spawns from the left
>"AAAAH WHAT HOW DO I SHOOT LEFT"
>dies

>>175942362
>she
No wonder

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Do you guys know the definition of hell?

>>175947482
best cave tlb

So I heard /2hug/ died and ended up here

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>>175949249
>ended up here

There has always been a small 2hu base here (much to the chagrin of some of the other members)

>>175949605
On one side it's dirty secondaries and on another it's plain old doesn't-belong-here, huh?
Not like we have a choice now

>>175949249
I don't mind as long as they focus on discussing the games, we could use the activity anyway.

>>175952089
Oh they discussed games alright just not the shmups.

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I like Koakuma's game.

Except for Sakuya's last spell card. And Royal Flare now that I think about it. Scarlet Netherworld is also difficult for me...

>>175952727
The only game Koakuma has is playing fetch for Patchouli.

>>175947482
This is depresing

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>>175953008
Actually! Koakuma is the only character in EoSD that hasn't appeared in a game since. Therefore, EoSD is moreso Koakuma's game than anyone else's! She's exclusive to it!

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>>175953697
Please don't give undue praise to the pet

Speaking of which, do we have a full release date for 2hu16?

>>175947482
pc port when?

Senko no ronde hype!

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>>175958980

>>175949249
did the poohoo general really die?

>>175961664
The one outside of /jp/ yeah. Probably because it was outside of /jp/ and everyone who wanted to focus talk on the games/characters was inside /jp/

Actually really like how my game looks so far...
Too bad I can't think of a single gameplay design without turning it into a clone.
If only I was an idea guy, then I actually would be able to produce something for a change.

>>175961664
sounds like someone got served by an AI

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>>175962560
AI does that.

>>175962464
>If only I was an idea guy
Man, I hate this feeling, either you're someone that can do something but has no ideas, or you're someone that has ideas but can't do anything.

>>175963293
It's always been like this for me. I also always could draw manga well, but never had the ideas to come up with an own story.

>>175963293
>either you're someone that can do something but has no ideas
it's very common

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>>175956268
Koakuma deserves all the praise. Fuck Daiyousei for running off and getting in another game behind her back.

I think my problem is just that I try to steal too often from one and the same games.
That's also why CCWI still works I think. Because it doesn't steal too much from any game, but rather steals from all kind of games.
>main scoring system from Ketsui
>lock-on from Soukyugurentai
>hyper/break mode from DOJ
>break rate and bullet cancel from Mushihimesame I think

It just steals from all kinds of games, that's why it still comes across as original.

>>175949249
let's remake it before this thread gets further infected

Can anyone explain to me how the scoring in Guwange works?
Especially the spirit mechanic. I think it is something I actually want to have in my game.

>>175971449
I wouldn't mind if they post here. At least this general is not dying then.

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Don't mind me, just taking out the trash.

I think Guwange is actually Caves best game. I really like the style of this game.

>>175978220
guwange is shit dumbass

>>175979150
It really isn't. It's just a bit weird to play with the spirit.

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What is my score here? I made it past the castle boss for the time.

Also, is the spirit actually doing any damage or something when you are not controlling it but it is still sitting on the enemy?

Man, the mechanics of Guwange are really weird and complicated.

>>175985689
it's a crap game. almost as bad as touhou really

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Hey /shmupg/, I released a demo for a shmup I've been working on. If any of you remember that one shmup with all the stolen shit, it's the sequel to that

Check it out at sinoc.itch.io/shmoop2
I'd love to get some opinions from expert players.

>>175985949
For a cave game is actually pretty good. Just very unique.

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>>175986764
Well I'm not an expert player but it looks, sounds and plays pretty great imo.

>>175971449
You do it.

Feveron in a few minutes
https://www.twitch tv/draconicimpulse

>>175986764
Things which suck so far:
>can't use analogue stick for option menus
>have to press a button instead of direction to change an option (who the hell does this?)
>tutorial only for keyboard
>can't skip intro sequence
>randomised power-ups (afaik)
>screen clamping is horrible (I can move almost out of the screen with my hitbox and just sit at the bottom barely having to dodge)
>these enemies with the yellow heads are just OP and annoying (3 of them appear shortly after the start and shoot lasers almost immediately, they also appear on the mid-boss)
>the mid-boss doesn't have a timer afaik, which means you can milk him for hours
>the playershots come out of your hitbox instead of a gun barrel it seems and look not really good
>having low firepower is boring after dying
>these turrets on the top on the ceiling shortly after you enter this thing after the mid-boss are just unfair
>this "burst" thing seemed useless to me
>no way to remap buttons

Further i haven't played yet.

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>>175990021
Not him but unless you mean a different weapon (if it has them) then the shot looks like it is coming out of the lower mounted guns, pic related

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twitch tv draconicimpulse

Draco just went live with Dangun Feveron~
Dance on!

>>175990329
May be, but it doesn't look good, especially also because there is no muzzle flash.

Also, the level is way too long and difficult for a Stage 1. Especially the endboss is just pure bullshit and full of instant deaths for a first stage.

Also, another thing is that the multiplier timer is not visible enough hidden there in its small corner.

And I also noticed that there is screen tearing.

/2hug/ is up again

>>175986764
You're good at making fun boss fights but the stages need a lot of work. Unless I am playing it wrong, this game just forces you into a defensive playstyle because a lot of the enemies shoot too quickly and have too much HP for quick killing. Half the time it's better to not bother killing enemies at all for survival, which is only compounded by the lack of aimed bullets. I can just sit at the bottom of the screen and use burst every now and then. The guns feel weak, both damage wise and animations. Randomized power ups is a stupid decision, and catching them is too hard. In general there are too many annoying enemies that while challenging aren't very fun to kill. The bullet patterns are quite uninspired too.

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I come to shmup general for the first time a year and there seriously isn't a word about the Blazing Star re-release? First time Blazing Star appears on a non-phone platform since the Neo Geo? With leader boards, wide display mode (displays visuals that were cropped out from the original), and rapid-shot support?

I suppose I'll go back to taking on the Japs in the leaderboards by myself.

>>175994719
>for switch
Who the hell plays this shit?

>>175994719
Also, shmupg is dead. Nobody posts here anymore.

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T-the stream has turned into Puyo Tetris

still fun though

>>175994882
With Switch's "arcade game" attachment rate and at the rate it's selling in Japan, by the end of this year ever last remaining shmup developer in Japan will be working on switch. Neo geo ports have already hit 200k+ sales on Switch ($8 a pop). Bomberman has hit 500k+ sales. Zelda aside, Switch owners (particularly in JP) are flocking to pick-up and play games.

>>175995652
Never ever

>>175995389
Forgot about Puyo Tetris.

Also..M2 is about to make some major $$$ by bringing Secret of Mana to switch. Assuming that succeeds, expect them to pivot their resources over to it.

>>175994719
>switch
lol is this a meme or something?

>>175995652
>by the end of this year ever last remaining shmup developer in Japan will be working on switch
so...CAVE? the list could go on...

Sorry about the delay, real life happened
It's nice to get some feedback from people who actualy play shmups rather than the sort of shmucks that hang around /agdg/.
>>175988394
Thanks anon!
>>175990021
>>175990809
Noted. I didn't even think about a couple of those points, like the clamping. I've goten some other complaints about the laser enemies and I'll be toning them down.

It's going to have a relatively low number of stages (to keep the art requirements down, bassicly) so I wanted to keep them decently lengthy. Witch end boss do you mean though? There's a secret one if you get over 50k points

>>175992527
If you use bombs frequently and wrack up combos to get more bombs quicker you can go pretty offensively. The powerups are on a hidden coutnter, but the type of powerup it drops when the counter rolls over is random between the two, but you can change it to your current shot type by bursting on it.

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>>175994719
People don't understand Blazing Star is one of the greatest shmups ever made. Up there with Ikaruga:

At the age of 16 I went on my very first date. I was thrilled. He played football and was popular. We ate, saw a movie, and drove around our rural area for a little while. We went to some of his family's property and walked around looking at horses. My first date, which seemed like a total dream, soon turned into a nightmare when he forcibly raped me in a barn.

I didn’t think a lot about the possibility of being pregnant because I had a distorted view that because it was rape, then it was somehow less likely I’d become pregnant. It wasn’t until I started having symptoms that I began to realize I might be pregnant. I drove to a different town by myself to buy a pregnancy test kit, doing the test in the gas station bathroom so no one in my town would ever know. I felt extremely scared and angry there all alone in the gas station restroom. I was angry at God, asking “How could you allow me to raped?”

Scared out of my mind of facing ridicule, having to address the rumors the rapist was already spreading, already overwhelmed from my reputation being slandered, I drove to an abortion clinic that same day. The abortion clinic was cold and sterile. There were others in the waiting room, but no one would look at each other or acknowledge each other’s presence in any way. There was no privacy speaking to the receptionist, telling her why I was there. She said they could see me, but I’d have to make an appointment to come back to get the procedure done the next day. I told her I couldn’t skip school another day, so she said they would take me right away.

There was no waiting and no questions. All they cared about was that I had the money to pay. They didn't even care that I was by myself. It was the absolute worst experience of my life -- even worse than the rape.

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>>175996712

>>175996689
>The powerups are on a hidden coutnter, but the type of powerup it drops when the counter rolls over is random between the two
Yeah that's what I meant, the hidden counter is fine even though confusing. Is it completely random or some kind of bag randomizer? Being able to change it with burst is good but sometimes if I want to use the laser it refuses to drop.

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some keys for an online coop shmup on steam

QNB74-TKPZX-9RN2[seven]
CDN[en]E-RQ7L[arr]-ZRX9[eh]
66H[three]H-[pee]N5HC-Q8BI[em]

>>175999260
> I want to use the laser it refuses to drop.
I was thinking about having bursting on your current shot type making it split into the two others once homing is in, that should solve that.

>>175990021
Forgot to mention, the first miniboss's spawns don't give points so there's no point to farming him.

>>175999592
Your game still makes windows completely lock up on my machine anon.

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>>175999784
When is the last time you tried it? I haven't gotten a report about that in.. like months.

It locks your entire system up and CTRL+ALT+DEL doesn't work? What specs do you have again?

>>175999784
Could just make bursting bounce the power ups back and cycle between the shot types. Why are they random to begin with? Because you want the player to think if they want to reset the multiplier by bursting to change weapon?

Advertising is forbidden on 4chan

>>175999935
A few weeks ago, when you showed up in one of the /v/ gamedev threads. It seems fine now though, but I reinstalled a bunch of drivers and such a couple days ago for an unrelated problem, so that might've actually been my issue.

>>176000026
Because going spread>laser>homing(soon™) and back again seemed like it would make it hard to get what you wanted off the bat. I'll play around with it though; I guess I just didn't think about how other games did it since it isn't an issue most of the time.

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>>176000089

>>176000392
That doesn't count

t. Hirohito

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>>176000356
I've fixed a few bugs in the last few weeks, so it might have been that. We'll never know.

Well, come join our game then. We're at 2 players and at least 1 more is on the way.

>>175989885
It's over.

Wound up playing more PPT than Dangun. I'll try to fix that tomorrow.

>>175996712
is this a lore of blazing star?

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>>175986764
Looks really fucking rad so far, good job. I haven't really looked to see what others have said, but here's a couple of things I've noticed so far:
The enemies that appear and shoot a yellow/orange laser across two thirds of the screen have little to no indication before the laser appears and instantly becomes active, so it's easy to die seemingly out of nowhere because you happened to be standing in front of them when they appear.
At the beginning of the level, when you're completely underpowered, there quite a few enemies with a lot of HP that you can't kill more than one of before they quickly attempt to leave the screen. I feel like this is fairly annoying for both survival and scoring, because either you ignore killing ships for points or you die in a head-on collision trying to take a second one out with your pea shooter.
Very related to the last two points, my deaths are almost always the result of either slamming into an enemy, or sometimes getting hit by a laser. I don't die often to the actual bullets, which makes the burst technique fairly useless to me.
In the corridor section, you're able to fly through the level geometry during post-death invincibility, which surprised me, but isn't actually that big of a deal.
The biggest issue I can see is the randomized powerups, which are complete hell from a scoring standpoint. Unless each type of weapon is so homogenized that it doesn't matter which you use, putting score runs at the mercy of randomly getting the right powerups is terrible. The idea you mentioned here >>175999784 is also pretty bad in my opinion, because then you can either choose to neuter your multiplier (and thus your score) and get the drop you want, or restart the run and hope you don't have to do so next time. If I had to suggest a fix, I'd say having the drops rotate which type of powerup they provide, similar to what Raiden does, would work pretty well.

>>176003069
Thanks anon. The idea was that players would be aggressive with the bombs early game to build a good base for the multiplier, but it seems like that isn't really being done so I'll retool the enemies a bit to be squishier. I know about the laser guys too, I figured a 22 frame window would've been big enough to react, but I guess not (fighting games have lead me astray).

I think I'll add both the rotating powerups and the burst changing, so if a player didn't care about score they could force themselves to power. It'd probably be best to have it always start on spread and cycle though, to minimize rng.

>>176000502
I can't judge it fairly because that run was super nuts, but the game seems a little easy when you have the intended amount of firepower. It's also seemed like there was long amounts of downtime between waves, but we might've just been shooting them down prompto with infinity fire power.

>>176004009
People call my game a lot of things but easy isn't one of them.

Ya, that bug gave us super OP mode. It was kinda fun actually.

I'm going to play another game if anybody would like to join.

LA9DR-EC6BI-35FE[ex]
BZN[4+1]Q-L6ALQ-QVIK[six]
RR[L?NOP]TK-A[3+2]Y52-7IM[nine]T
M3L52-T9XP[dee]-[1*2]Z2Q[nine]

>>175947482
Graphic looks like ass

>>176004009
Sounds like you're designing the game too rigidly around your own playstyle desu, instead of trying out different approaches and making sure they feel fun. Aggressive bomb use should be the default playstyle because it's something that would form as a way to optimize your playstyle after a lot of repetition, but you have to make sure that getting to that point feels fun too and right now the ship just feels really weak by itself.

>>176004691
does it have a single player campaign or is it entirely multiplayer focused?

>>175947482
I feel angry and I'm not even the one playing.

Were you the player here, or was it someone else? My condolences, if that was you.

>>176004697
better than unity shmups at least

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>>176004009
No problem. Thinking about it now, I feel like using bombs in that manner could actually work really well, but there needs to be some concrete indication that your bombs are a resource that are designed to be expended instead of hoarded, kind of like Battle Garegga. The way it is now, there's no indication when you regain bombs, and as such I didn't even realized you could for a while.
Also, just out of curiosity, does this image happen to hold any significance to you?

>>176005540
There's a sound effect for when you get a new bomb, but I should probably do a visual somewhere too.
Yes, I am THAT Sinoc. I still talk to most of the people from those threads every day. How did you know?

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>>176005689
I noticed your itch.io username and remembered back to the days of people begging for your stream. It's nice to see you're still alive and well.

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>>176005960
Good to see the soku thread people are still floating around. It'll come back some day when you least expect it.

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Last bahmpu before bed~

Keep flying, /shmupg/

Sleepy time.

Good night, /shmupg/. Sweet dreams of 1cc and high scores.

>>175982853
1,416,336 which is impressively low but keep going, i usually leave stage 2 with 3-3.5mill.

>>175971774
>Can anyone explain to me how the scoring in Guwange works?
I'm the only one that can but as you sperg on me all the time i'l just try linking this, i can explain more advanced things later if you need them.

>>175979371
>It really isn't. It's just a bit weird to play with the spirit.
It's caves only truly original title and it's brilliantly executed, most people just hate that the multi tasking and routing for 2 with quick switching between both makes their brains feel retarded and limited because they are.

>>175983406
>Also, is the spirit actually doing any damage or something when you are not controlling it but it is still sitting on the enemy?
No, it only damages when you hold the button however the skull counter drops slightly slower if it's hovering over something with no input, a technique you need to learn with higher play is bursts of spirit to raise the counter to safe levels without damaging to much so you can use the shot to milk things (cat and stage 2 boss legs).

>>175985949
Low i.q detected.

>>176009082
>i'l just try linking this
http://world-of-arcades.net/Cave/Guwange/mode7/index.htm

oops forgot paste

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>>176004998
Yeah, it has single player. The campaign is Starfox64 style. Pic related. And you can play it online coop.

>>176009082
>i usually leave stage 2 with 3-3.5mill
Yea, I just watched a replay of yours. You are pretty good at the game. However I will practice this from now on til I beat you. J-just wait.

>as you sperg on me all the time
Hey i thought like the banter.

>It's caves only truly original title and it's brilliantly executed
I agree with this. The artstyle and music in this game is also brilliant. Prefer it much more than caves other games. One thing I just dislike about it is, that you are very stationary most of the time I think. But after playing a bit more, it's actually pretty fun.

Thanks for the replies!

>>176009987
who are you using btw?

>>176009987
>that you are very stationary most of the time I think.
This is only true in lower spirit dependent play, as you get good you map out positions a lot and have areas you want to use the shot instead etc but more on that later.

>>176010089
I haven't played that much yet, but I tend to use the girl. Not sure who is the best for me yet though.

>>176010237
>but I tend to use the girl.
Don't fall for this, every other westie did this to because "muh swy" but she's actually wank unless you are extremely skilled. The prob is her shiki is retarded and damages everything to much so you will end up with much lower coins and score due to weak cancels etc, her strength is her shot which is only going to help you if you're milking catspider a bunch. Shishin has the multi direction shot with high frequency and a smaller spirit which is great for precision but not as good for coverage. Gensuke has a piercing shot with lower frequency and a super fast spirit/slower movement with medium coverage.

Also don't worry about the cat milk for a long time, with gensuke or shishin and good strats you can get 35/40mill without it or just doing 2 easy cycles.

>>176010662
But if the girl has a good shot, plus big spirit coverage, doesn't this mean it's actually a very good character for beginners?

I just wanna clear the game first.

>>176010936
Nah she's wank honestly, her shiki takes longest to down bosses if survival is your game. You'll get the clear in a couple weeks regardless i guess.

>>176004691
thanks

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>>176012083
>>176009551
>>176004691
>>175999592


Starting another game. Here are some more keys:

2WCWY-58F[two]6-BQ30[dee]
4AZLG-HA[AB?D]M4-CQX3[tee]
GRVE[five]-PG7A[ef]-DBMY[kay]
KMAK[5*1+0]-F[2+1]RL[ex]-G4NQ[seven]

>>176022731
let it die

>>176022731
Don't listen to him. Shmupg always needed some bumps.

>>176023307
>let me die
fixed

i can't even play for 100 hours before it stops being fun, i'll never get good

>>176026746
tough luck
you'll need to put in at least 10,000 before i respect your opinion

>>176026746
it shouldn't take 100 hours to clear most games, and really there is no need to play after you do that.

>>176028212
i cleared it in a little over 50 and i regret doing it so fast, as if i didn't really try, but the more i play the harder it is to actually try, i just play for 30-120 minutes a day like it's a job, telling myself that one day i'll do it, but will the result be really worth it? i won't know until i do it, so i gotta do it.

>>176026746
What's the point of gitting gud if you don't enjoy it?

>>176028996
to have no regrets? and maybe i'll start enjoying it at some point. cee said there are periods when playing is not fun, but if you keep going it will get fun again.

imagine wasting your life playing video games you don't enjoy just so you can try and claim to be good at something

>>175947482
>you will never design a game like this

>>175947482
someone make a webm that doesn't look like a shitty vhs rip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYXbbE3W36M

>>176029405
what is doom anyway? a turtle?

>>176015046
>next-to-last key
Thanks, man!

>>176029283
that's hard to imagine, for one thing being good at something actually feels good.
being able to do something like this >>176029405 is worth the pain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJBDM5xyXs

>>176030249
Okay.

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Stay alive dammit or else bad things will happen.

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ah so close, fucking rng got me

>>176029283
Nothing I do in life is really enjoyable to me. It's more just like things you do to get by

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I wanna have that artbook.

I hate Real Battle Phase 1. I was so fucking close to beating it and being able to fight the true final boss until that stray bullet that I did not see made me lose a life, locking me out of the true ending. It blended into the background! I couldn't even see it because I was so focused on everything else!

>>176047162
>Not letting best titcow, Cattleya, join the club

Enjoy your second rate members

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>>176048453
>implying that Cattleya's 89cm bust measurement is large enough to get into the big boobs club

Nah. Even Plumeria at 91cm wasn't qualified. The "big boobs club" was a compilation of what I thought was the largest-breasted girls I had in my collection. The three of them are tied at 92cm.

However! The image is outdated, as I eventually realized that Nui Harime here blows them all completely out of the water with her massive 98cm bust measurement. God damn.

>>176048226
i struggle with bullet visibility in that ga,me also.

>>176051050
I swear I can get to that level fine but then when it comes to that particular level, I feel blind because it blends with my bullets, the background, and the enemies so I can't see them.

i like boobies

>>176052593
they're ok i guess

BIG TITS OUT

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>>176053998
If only it were that easy to see them.

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>>176053998
If you insist.

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>>176054747
Hey!

In Guwange, how do I spawn food items? I once got one right before the tank/castle boss, but don't know how I did this.

Whats the best setup to use in poo revolver

>>176059259
>In Guwange, how do I spawn food items?
>stage 3
as you approach the middle of the stage with the 4 pots in the bottom right corner, the gargoyle statues around the edge are randomised with one always being bigger, kill the big one first for a health item. if full health you get 2000 coins instead.

>stage 4
the worm that bursts from the wall, kill the cow remains first for health from worm.

>stage 5 a
one situated in a catapult before the roof ambush

>stage 5 b
certain big spiders give a normal, a big and a banquet all health refill. the carriage rush every cart gives one to, the last health item is the right flame thing of the boss before baby.

>>176061736
Thanks! This will be very helpful for me I think.

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Don't give up shmupg, you can do it!

>>176066976
a-are you sure?

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>>176069179
Yes, I am.

>>176066976
The grind never ends.

Hm... somehow the food item never spawns for me when killing the cow and worm. I guess I am not allowed to bomb it huh?

how the fuck do you get past the worms in ccwi stage 3 reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>176074728
use break right before you kill the last flower, then double break right before first break is finished on the worms

Stgweekly Raiden 2 tomorrow

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>>176081817
more like stgyearly rofl

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How is your Saturday evening going, /shmupg/?

>>176084712
Played quake 3 defrag for 5 hours and darius gaiden for 10 mins + emptied a bottle of wine while playing.

>>176084712
Pretty decent, although it's not Saturday evening anymore, rather 5 in the morning here. Played Titan Quest with a mate, which was fun. No shmups though...

How about you?

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>>176084712
Listening to gensokyoradio,net and making things while drinking hot tea. Going to be a long night. Yourself?

>>176084712
drinking tea and relaxing, no shmups tonight. you?

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/shmupg/, my lower back is in unbearable pain from an eternity of too much slouching during runs and not enough exercise, what should I do?

>>176084712
Played some more Dragon Blaze. Maybe I shouldn't use Rob after all, his slow speed is very frustrating.

>>176088037
Get up and stretch after each credit

>>176088037
>too much slouching during runs and not enough exercise
try exercising and not slouching

>>176084712
I went to work, then when I got home I played Puyo Puyo Tetris. Now I'm about to take some sleeping pills because I have a nasty case of insomnia.

Guess I could practice Dangun while the pills kick in.

>>176088037
Hang from an overhead bar (or sturdy door), this lets gravity stretch your back gently. Try the human bridge for a meaner spine hyperextension, but this might hurt a lot if you're already suffering symptoms.

did anyone else notice that the harder the game is the better you play? i switched to type I and while it's a lot harder than type Z i did better than expected in practice.

Uh is it bad that Hibachi actually makes me scared of bees? Like, I've never been more terrified of bees until that fucker showed up in my life.

>>176091189
if you are man enough to make it that far you shouldn't be affraid of some little bee. i had a bee hive under my window last year, that was pretty scary, maybe it's still there.

>>176091548
That's because an everyday bee doesn't puke bullets like it's going out of style.

>>176090487
how far along are you?

>>176091750
i rarely do runs, lost all lifes like a retard trying to score in stage 2 when i did one yesterday. before that, when i used to play type 1 a bit, i made it to stage 4 just once. with type z i've almost made it to boss 5.

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>>176085010
That's cool. Playing Darius for an extended period of time sounds like it would be hazardous to your health, though. Shmup responsibly.

>>176086006
>>176086934
I didn't shmup tonight either, but I did play Puyo VS with a friend so that was fun for a while.

>>176086418
Gensokyo Radio? I used to listen to that a few years ago, but since then I forgot it exists. I'll have to give it a listen again soon.

>>176088037
Get better posture and exercise more, I guess. Maybe.

>>176088080
>>176088249
Good luck with those! Shmup enough for all of us.

One time I fell asleep playing while Mountain of Faith. That was weird.

>>176092157
also, i noticed that bullets were a lot slower in beginning of stage 2 than when i played with type z, but the gold star difference wasn' THAT big, maybe rating increases not gradually, but after you reach a certain star count? i believe i had a bit less than 50k at the start of the stage 2, then after i hit 50k mark bullet speed came back to normal. or maybe there are some other things that affect rating, like how many extra enemies you spawned.

>>176093307
this is something i have been wondering about myself. is it a specific numerical threshold that causes the rank increase? do bombs affect it? does it change instantly or does it wait till the next stage to happen?

>>176093723
Does anyone even like these obscure rank systems?

>>176095696
local dad shits mostly

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It begins

>>176096842
The demo's been out for a while, though.

>>176096842
the poohou thread is that way ->

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>>176098526

>>176098669
it's not supposed to be, pooper

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>that one kid who used wide shot instead of focus shot at school

>>176096842
some chinese man showcases bootleg anime?

>>176099208
pointblanking with wide is for cool kids

>>176088037
>/shmupg/, my lower back is in unbearable pain from an eternity of too much slouching during runs and not enough exercise, what should I do?

You need to strengthen your core to take stress from the back, ab exercise basically. Lay on your stomach with your head up to create a reverse arch, do this when relaxing or watching tv etc to bend the back the other way.

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i just played shmups without giving a shit about how i perform and it was FUN and i even did ok

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rate my digits

>>176104319
never played poohoo but normal is for normans/10

>>176105582
lunatic too hard for me

>>176105897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGhy4x1tRMQ

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Is playing psikyo games with the default stage order cheating?

What's your opinion on Lords of Thunder?
It looks awesome, but don't know if it's a good game for shmupers

>>176108064
rule of thumb for shmups
if it's not made by cave it's shit

>>176108064
never heard of this, but doesnt look too bad

>>176108064
It has a sword attack so it can't be too bad

>>176108267
>never heard of this
Really? I thought it was rather popular

>>176110028
Not a Sega CD expert sry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nfEAFUg2tg
i want this poojin on steam, i want all poojins on steam, but they are shutting greenlight down, no more poojins

>>176111856
>no more poojins
hallelujah

>>176061736
>kill the cow remains first for health from worm
I am doing this, but it doesn't work for me somehow.

>>176112953
chinese bootleg dvd factory?

>>176112646
NVM, I am getting it, but it's really not much you get there.

Jaimers is streaming the demo for the new Touhou game.

twitch tv/jaimers91

>>176112953
just bring it on digital distribution holy fuck

>>176113705
The health drops become much less about health and much more about coins when you get good, a hit free run that gets all the health drops is the difference between a 30k full chain and a 60k one.

>>176115975
I was already expecting something like this, but I'm still far from a hit free run. Currently stage 4 is a wall to me. I never have enough resources when I get there.

>>176112953
Will he ever stop milking this series? Will there be a Touhou 25 too?

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>>176115274
this looks like the same boring shit that is every 2hu past ufo

>>176115274
it looks like an ugly piece of shit just like every poohou game. can't zun afford to hire some people to make a good game yet?

>>176117336
IN is the only remotely decent poohou

Whenever I try to destroy the big statue to get the food item in stage 3 I always lose my first life.
It's tricky to destroy it while still dodging the incoming bullets. Except the rng places it right at the start of the statues

>>176127094
is this how they gonna sell it? lmao poohoo is a shovelware

>>176108164
I don't get it
Is this a meme or do people actually believe this

>>176108164
rule of thumb for cave
if it's not guwange it's shit

>>176108164
rule of thumb for X
if it's not something i like it's shit

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>>176128872

>>176129197
rule of thumb for desusniffers
if it's not casper she's shit

>>176108164
i agree with this post.

rule of thumb for /shmupg/ posters
if it's not me it's shit

>>176129468
rude!

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>>176129468

Could a shmup released today ever be mainstream? I think the closest we've come is Ikaruga, and that was released 15 years ago.

>>176130601
I hope not. Mainstream nowadays is garbage pure.

>>176130601
CCWI is mainstream

>>176132871
There isn't a shmup which is mainstream nowadays. Games like Undertale are 100 times more popular than CCWI.

Shmups are too difficult and short to be mainstream.

>>176130601
Jamestown is mainstream too

>>176130601
undertale is as popular as call of duty on steam, it's not a shmup, but ikaruga isn't the purest shmup there is either. it won't surprise me if a lot of people got into shmups thanks to undertale like myself.
>>176132871
5 critic reviews on metacritic and you call that mainstream? even ikaruga is not mainstream compared to gradius or space invaders.

>>176133530
>it's not a shmup, but ikaruga isn't the purest shmup there is either
>says the Undertale player
Why is Ikaruga less of a shmup than other shmups? Because it isn't another cave clone but actually innovative? LMAO

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>>176133530
>spoiler

>>176133675
Why the fuck has bullet hell taken over shmups? Where's the thunder forces and gradiuses?

>>176133008
according to steamspy

CCWI
Owners: 114,929

Undertale
Owners: 2,542,723

so Understale is ~22x more popular on Steam at least

>>176133847
there are a few new flood shmups, but I agree, its mostly bullet hell.

>>176133675
>says the Undertale player
i don't play it anymore, there is nothing to play, shit lasted maybe 30 hours with all endings.
>Why is Ikaruga less of a shmup than other shmups?
i'm not saying it's not a shmup like some memers, but it is very unusual and chinks agree.

>>176134164
he didn't literally mean 100 times more
>Owners: 114,929
how many actually bought the game? i've heard it was included in humble bundle or someshit and the game is dirt cheap on sale. meanwhile undertail rarely has even -50% discount.

>>176134457
I wasn't trying to criticize, I just like actual numbers instead of speculation.

You make a good point. A lot of those will be key activation. Who knows how many.

>>176134189
>but it is very unusual and chinks agree
Guwange is also very unusual. Doesn't mean it's less of a shmup or "gimmicky shit". It just means it's unique.

>>176133847
>Where's the thunder forces and gradiuses?
They turned into Sine Mora

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>>176127167

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I figured it out!

>>176137414
L-link?

I might buy the new 2hu, is zun going to release it this year? I've played the demo for a bit now and I think it's a cool game.

>>176133847
>Why the fuck has bullet hell taken over shmups?
because it's good

>Where's the thunder forces and gradiuses?
left in some dad's basement

>>176137663
I'm not a dad, I'm 21, that's just what I played as a kid

>>176137517
http://www.mediafire.com/file/gupmju297gp40xl/th16tr.rar

>>176137414
What is happening?

>>176138391
Caveshit.

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well /shmupg/?

>>176137414
this ability so op, touhou is not hard anymore

>>176138757
i use pad mostly, but i play better on keyboard

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>>176137824
you are the best, anon

raiden 2 on stgweekly NOW

>>176141116
Damn, it's already been six years since their last stream?

>>176141246
>STGDecadely

>>176141116
Why is there no STGWeekly CCWI episode?

>>176142280
Probably because nobody plays it. Not hipster enough as steam exclusive in the west.

>>176133847
>Why the fuck has bullet hell taken over shmups?
So there's this weird thing that happens, where professional devs will make things that sell, and indie devs will make things they like to play OR what will sell.

Really makes you think, yeah?

>>176133847
>Where's the thunder forces and gradiuses?
workin on it anon

>>176149520
Pretty sure Gradius V sold more than any Cave game.

Real reason bullet hell took over is because it is easier to make.

>>176141116
damn i miss it

>>176150832
>bullet hell
>easier to make
It's the exact same shit though, except you just spawn more bullets.

>>176151094
nice me.me

>>176151094
>It's the exact same shit though
It really isn't. Compare any bullet hell game to games like Gradius V or R-Type Final... There is so much more work in these games, it's not even comparable. Just alone the work which went into creating 100 ships in R-Type Final blows any Cave game out of the water.

Why do you think so many poojins are bullet hell? Because it's a good way to make them interesting without putting much work in it. Games like ChoRensha would never work if it wasn't bullet, because it actually would have to have some content apart from just bullet patterns.

>>176151094
>>176151776
It's easy to make bullet hells if all you are doing is spewing rng nonsense all over the screen. To properly balance patterns so they are fair and rely on skill rather than luck takes hard work. Also when you consider that they anticipate player behaviors when dodging aimed shots to try and lead you into a patch of static pattern bullets unless you are keeping aware. Sadly most bullet hells nowadays don't do that, but to blanket statement that all bullet hells are easier to make just because the majority of devs don't try is a bit much.

>>176151560
>>176151776
I'm talking about the programming aspect you dumb fucks, you could put twenty years of effort and work into creating an excellent bullet hell or you can spend one week making a trash non-danmaku game, and conversely the same is true. However, at the base level neither is easier to make than the other.

>Why do you think so many poojins are bullet hell?
Because they make games that cater to their own personal taste, and it just so happens that they have shit taste.

>>176152072
Perhaps it is not easier to make, but it is easier to make it interesting. You don't have to have very detailed backgrounds and such stuff, you basically just need bullet patterns.

>>176152623
Completely fair and I concede the point. If you have an awe inspiring pattern you would get more immediate attention than a slow, well crafted stage until people are able to dive into the hori and experience for themselves.

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i need to learn how get three red digits before stage 5

DU3 is hard..

>>176155479
i need to learn how to get a kusoclear

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>>176160129
So she had one... all... along...
Follett was right to be afraid.

>>176160129
>>176160678
Gay.

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>>176160678
Follett was afraid?

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>>176164147
This is the look of trauma. That forever potato face and thousand yard stare is no coincidence.

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>>176165896
Hmm, so that's what happened? Very well, updating headcanon.

>>176151776
>Just alone the work which went into creating 100 ships in R-Type Final blows any Cave game out of the water.

If only they put the same amount of effort into the actual game instead of that stupid pokemon of shmups gimmick

>>176167885
The game itself is also good. It was just ahead of its time, and the PS2 couldn't run it well. The system it was on was too weak for it.

>>176168223
would be cool to see a new high budget 3d r type game with nasty detailed textures and nice shaders

>>176167885
>stupid pokemon of shmups gimmick
Great ship variety is one of the best aspects in many shmups like Batrider or Raiden Fighters for example.

>>176173281
I'd rather them make 10 vastly different ships than 100 similar ones

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Best fucking girl

>>176178330
Seems a little young to be the best fucking girl, desu.

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>>176178395
Well I guess I could've said "Fucking best girl" to the same effect, but I feel that would've been easier to misinterpret...

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Last bahmpu before bed~

Keep flying, /shmupg/

>>176029405

Is he even dodging at this point or is it a movement pattern burned into his muscle memory?

Sort of like finishing the turbo tunnel in Battletoads - you can't react to what your vision tells you (there's no time, if you try to do so, you'l fail), you have to just concentrate on pressing jump in a certain rhytm.

I'm actually interested for scientific reasons, if he's dodging, then cognitive psychologists might be wrong about the limits attention capacity.

Does online multiplayer in shmups make sense, or is it an all around bad idea?

Why do basically all shmups avoid online multiplayer?

>>176187279
Fightcade proves that yes it's a great idea. Probably just too hard to implement, especially when you consider most shmups are arcade ports so they'd have to do some major work to add online multiplayer.

>>176116579
>Currently stage 4 is a wall to me.
stage 4 is when you really need to think about switching to shot in sections, the last stretch you can either stay right back and go for shiki cancels or really aggressively storm the section with shot then switch to shiki half way or so. It's a bit of a run killer for a whilst even still occasionally for me now

>>176187147
>or is it a movement pattern burned into his muscle memory?
It's a mix of familiarity and reaction as dooms fight has a lot of rng mostly in the form of skewing the patterns with different doom positions when spawning and timing on other whist a couple are fixed.

is it over?

Which keyboard inputs for movement are superior? Regular arrow keys, numpad arrow keys or HJKL?

>>176200282
wasd

>>176200282
Numpad arrows is the worst because it has a key in between up and down making one of the main flaws of keyboard controls even worse, the others are all the same shit.

>>176133847
Bullet hell games look harder for onlookers

>>176133847
>Why the fuck has bullet hell taken over shmups?
Well a few reasons desu, dodonpachi was the first game to really create a greater skill spectrum than ever before by allowing noobs to feel great and get the same andrenaline rush by weaving around mindlessly and by offering a legit challenge to the top tier. They seem to be more appealing to spectators and normies as stated and generally just offer a softer beginning to massage players egos unlike the brutal reality of a raiden game for example where there is no middle man only "you know what you're doing i'l let you live but you better execute fuckfish" and "you're dead spastic go dribble on another machine and get off the fuck out". I actually find spectators respond the most warmly tosuper fast bullets with good density ie 2nd loop psikyo or high rank futari original etc because i think sometimes they just get lost in the screen fill and it goes beyond the appreciable for inexperienced minds.

>>176175748
There are many vastly different ships in Final. Just also a lot of fillers.

>>176200282
I don't think one specific is superior

HJKL specifically is a meme from old keyboard layouts, I don't understand why would someone use it for games these days

>>176201613
>dodonpachi was the first game
I'd rather say it was Garegga.

>>176206385
I couldn't give a fuck what you say because you're wrong and misunderstood the point which is it was the first to really explore the tiny hitbox survival thing, try noob diving around in garegga and see how long you last. Top marks for just parroting a point from that japanese docu though.

>>176213543
Garegga also had a tinier hitbox than usual.

> try noob diving around in garegga and see how long you last
I last about the same as in cave games. Usually stage 4 is the end for me in cave games, and in Garegga it is stage 6 or 5.

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>>176217548
>when your fanart is miles better than your official art

What was that dreamcast shump where you grinded bullets to increase shot power?

>>176218190
Psyvariar

>>176214359
jesus christ you pedantic dickhead learn some fucking social cues.

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Current Indiegala deal (pic related)

>>176220309
What are you fucking chav even trying to say with this?

>>175947482
oh god I can hear its theme music.

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Bumping

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Bahmpu~

>>176228664
literal who poojin kusoge lmao

>>176228664
Another one? They just announced Senko poo Rondo

>>176228664
Why don't they release good games (CAVE only) instead?

>>176230006
>CAVE
>good games

>>176228664
this is weird game, also animeshit

>>176228664
it's actually a great game but not a patch on the sequels imo although thirdstrike was pretty fanatical about the first.

>>176178395
Nah that's just right

>>176228664
Genuinely interested in this more than Senko. At least it is a 'proper' shmup

>>176233445
it's a bit rough looking but it's very good, the prob is all 3 are already ported to pc and easy to acquire... 3 is amazing has some yagawa esque strats to it.

>>176233396
This.

Is it even possible to beat Guwange if I just bomb my way through stage 4 and end up with nothing left?

I imagine the endboss just being gigantic faggot and a resource dump like all cave games.

>>176234721
yes because you can get a full life health refill in 5, the end boss last form is a bit rng trolly but no its not a resource dump at all. I work from the bottom right corner for the last form myself.

>>176228664
At least it's a shmup this time... but honestly if it's not presented by CAVE, why bother presenting it at all?