/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

is it just me or the town navigation in the psx version of persona 1 really added a lot for the atmosphere compared to the top down navigation?

>>175926229
Can't say I'm much of a fan of it

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>>175925940
>player name isn't all caps
WITCHCRAFT!

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I want to bully Airi

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>>175925940
>another Kazuya fag
Glad to know there are people who still respect canon names.

>>175926708
Too bad for you he doesn't.

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>>175926701
I want to sexually bully Airi's belly button with my big fat cock if you know what I mean.

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>>175926701
>>175926869
That's not very nice

>>175927787
Don't post ugly neuter monkeys.

>>175927818

Why are you so rude

>>175927873
I'm sorry I just don't really like Isabeau.

>>175926701
>>175926869
In hindsight, Airi was pretty cute. Too bad she was a retarded commie.

>>175927917
Not as cute as Yuzu

>>175929025
I prefer Amane or Haru from DeSu 1.

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>>175927917
>waifuing unoptimal partymembers

>>175929342
My autistic bunny was world of STR so Hinako was pretty useless for me.

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>>175929441
>using STR in game where AGI is king
I bet you used unoptimal casters too

>>175929484
My wife Fumi was my number one caster though.

>>175929484
>AGI
What am I a fag like Daichi?

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>>175927908
Why not

>>175930337
>no option to make asahi/toki put on makeup later and keep it on
Fucking why atlus

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>>175930484
Because buy this game for cute girls also fuck you for liking cute girls

I know there's a Persona related board, but I'm curious.
What's SMTG's favorite S.link/Confidant?

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>>175930638
Ayane, same as Soejima's

>>175930169
Nah, you are just bad at videogames.

>>175929484
Multistrike still gets its damage from STR, not AGI. Agi is only to determine the number of hits.

>>175930638
If I had to pick one, and only one, I'd say Ryotaro Dojima's.
If going through all games. P3, unfortunately, doesn't have one single worthwhile SL,but I guess I'd pick either Sun or Tower. P4 kinda fixed it by having 3 good ones, 1 alright and the rest being shit. Too early to say about P5 but seems like they're alright for the most part.

Man, I suck at these games. I'm playing Nocturne and I'm not sure what I should be fusing. I don't know what demons have what, what demons are where, and when and why I should be fusing them. I don't know when not to fuse either. This is blowin' my mind here.

>>175931005
Fuse for spells and what you need for bosses. If you need more buffs/debuffs, fuse those. If you can fuse 2 canon fodders for a strong demon, fuse em. Fuse if you need a certain element to beat the next boss.

>>175929342
>unoptimal partymembers
What's wrong with that? DeSu 2 is so much easier than DeSu 1 that it really doesn't make that much of a difference.

>>175926869
Maybe I don't remember the game all that well, but why are Airi and Jungo almost always paired together in fanart?

>>175926708
>not naming all MCs after yourself for ultimate immersion

>>175933061
This man knows whats up.

>>175933061
>ultimate immersion
I'm not a japanese living in Tokyo who is willing to download any random software crazy person sends me.
So that argument doesn't really work.

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>>175933357
I don't think you understand how 'Role Playing' Games work, anon. I'm a 28 year old IT guy living in the northeast; while a game based on that premise might be more 'realistic' and 'immersive' since it would perfectly emulate my life and status, it sure as hell wouldn't be fun. Most people play games because they're not like their actual life, I have my actual life to play my life.

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I don't get it guys. How can /pg/ constantly only talk about waifus all the damn time. It's almost as bad as /ksg/

>>175934312
I still don't see how that's an argument for using your own name in a game. If I want to get immersed in the story and characters, of course I use setting appropriate names for maximum immersion.

>>175934465
I blame Antiwhoeverfags and xfags taking the bait.

about to head to Kagome Tower at lvl. 31, that okay?

>>175934487
My thought is that I'm supposed to imagine myself as the MC, so I use my own name. Sure, my Italian last name seems a little out of place in most Megaten games, barring SJ, but I always enjoy the characters calling me out by my actual name, it helps with the immersion for me. If I used a fake name, I certainly could be role playing by the fake name as well, so I see what you're saying. Role playing is role playing; different strokes I suppose.

>>175935518
You might be a little weak, but grinding is for pussies.

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>>175927943
Thanks anon~
Waking up to a compliment is underrated.

started to organize some folder, it have some manga manuals and other things like that
https://mega.nz/#F!GM0UECLJ!7VkfWESeyUuXcPBpzEGN1A

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>>175936890
Noice. Thanks anon, downloading it now.

>>175926701
DON'T

>>175937001
np, it is mostly what i could find from floating pastebin but some things that might be outside like the few raw manga scans there.

on that regard, does anyone have scans of shin megami tensei Kahn?
I have the first volume physically but never could find the rest of what tokyopop translated online

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>>175937165
I think tokyopop only released it up to the 2nd volume but from what I understand, french translation exists.
Good luck anon, I'll keep an eye out.

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>>175936886
You're very welcome, hombre.

>>175937260
yeah, they released something along 2 or 3 volumes out of the 9.
a bit of a shame, it was kinda trashy but fairly entertaining in the overall

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God does no one fucking hate this clown? I've been playing DDS on and off and he always tries to sound like an intellectual but it's so fucking STUPID and annoying as shit.

P5 takes place in Tokyo and involves the destruction of the world by lawfags.
Does that make it mainline?

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>>175937515
It reminds me of an animated series I watched as a kid. I clearly remember the main plotline and watching at least a few episodes with my cousin. Years later went to investigate and apparently it only has something like 8 episodes translated outside of japan. I wish they'd just commit and send shit out here. Understandable why they don't but it still sucks.

>>175937518

Beast Eye

>>175937518
DDS in general doesn't really have any good characters.

Heat is edgelord prime, Sera is another mysterious person with amnesia, Cielo is a faggot, Gale is the pseudointellectual, and I legitimately don't know what Argilla's role is supposed to be. It's basically anime, if you hadn't guessed that from the hair colors.

Yup, Megami Tensei 1 is a game.
First floors, really easy trivial even, lull me into false sense of security and then suddenly 4 demons with fuckton of health and hard hitting attacks and death.

>>175937518
>he doesn't like autism incarnate

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>hating on Gale

>>175937576
More of a mainline game than SJ and IV, less of a mainline game than Kuzunoha Raidou and Friends.

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Aleph. I like his glasses


By the way: how can I delet my Reply when i don't need it?

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IVA's girls are shit

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female MC vs female MC

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>>175938806
>More of a mainline game than SJ and IV

>>175939505
who is IVA?

>>175939114
check the box in the upper-left corner of your post, and then hit the delete button at the very bottom of the page. You can only delete after a set amount of time, and only for a set amount of time; after that, your post is un-deleteable.

>>175939718
SJ takes place in Antartica and have you shoot the fucking planet as Doomguy

It trascended mainline

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>>175939505
SMTIVA...

>>175939505
>>175942652
When did this happen again?

>>175942869
During the main story quests there are a couple of small bonus conversations and even very minor detours you can have with the main cast. This is one of them. The part with Isabeau reading the manga is one of them, or is that mandatory? I don't remember.

>>175937518
>he doesn't comprehend

>>175937518
He doesn't comprehend emotions, but he is genuinely smart.

>>175939710
That's pretty good, anon. Have you done any demon or SMT1 art?

>>175939114
>>175939710
Dude why are you so cool

>>175937576
Are posts like these and "why are there two generals?" the result of many newcomers or just shitposting?

Either way, they make me feel like I'm in the movie of Groundhog's Day.

>>175939114
Those were glasses?
FUCK

>>175943084
not yet , I'm still studying. I find it more difficult than human to draw the devil.
But I will paint.
Which demon do you want to see?

>>175943367
Oh can I request? Just draw your favorite demon, anon. Or Asherah if you want to make me happy.

>>175926229
I like the PSP version because it's more like SMT1/2 and faster, but the creepy 3D graphics are nice.

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>>175937518
What did you mean by this post?

Asherah? from SJ ?

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>>175943782
Yes!

>>175943292
What did you think they were? They are electronic glasses that connect to the COMP.

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>>175939114
>>175939710

>>175942869
Optional scenes you get for exploring during main quest sometimes. There's a couple about Jonathan being glad he didn't have to waste away as a fisherman, Walter about feeling bad for the people who aren't luxurers in Mikado, and Isabeau either talking about her manga or acting cute around Flynn.

>>175943954
>walter feeling bad for people who aren't luxurors
>jonathan glad he wasn't a fisherman
um

>>175944534
I most have had a stroke or some shit.

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What is the lore behind this design?

>>175944714
Probably the Beast of Revelations

>>175939710
please do one of these with dante vs raidou

>>175944714
The whole demonization of an old religion by calling it's gods devils and sheit by a new relgion you know like baal.

>>175943012
>>175943954
Anyway to tell where they will happen? I can't believe I've played IV four times and never saw one.

>>175944714
Couple of things here:

Christians, or really any follower of the abrahamic religions, took over others' 'heathen' lands, and replaced their local deities with animals and vermin and shit. it's meant to be ironic here that once you do strip yhvh of his divinity he's also the same thing, also a big part of apoc's theme about how polytheism gods despise monotheism gods for overtaking them.

the rest is a mix of religious (mostly christian imagery) - snake symbolizes the tempter of eve, locust being part of the plagues, goat and ram having various references throughout the scriptures, etc.

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>>175925902
How do you like your Lucifer, /smtg/?

>>175944982
>>175945121
Interesting.

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>>175945160
Flat

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>>175945313
>flat

>>175944714
There's many things, but one of the biggest is the Axiom clause. Assuming you know what the Axiom/Great Will does, I'll just explain YHVH's side of it. The reason why he stays in his own universe and never steps up unless the messiahs are standing right at his door is because simply looking at YHVH is enough to harm him. The reason for this is because having humans only hear about his divinity and not directly see him helps him create all kinds of illusions in their head by letting their imagination run wild as to how great his features are. When they are able to speak with him and directly question his logic to his face, they are able him and form their own opinions far better than before. In this case, the main cast begins to see him as nothing more than an arrogant demon and the Axiom makes it so, bringing him down to what he truly is.

There's also the symbolism of YHVH's true form being that of a snake (deceitful) and most hideous demon compared to the people he judges. It's the cliche "Deep down your more ugly than everyone else" sort of things.

>>175945121
That's all Old Testament imagery, which is associated far more with Judaism, and largely ignored by most Christians. Most of Megaten's Abrahamic lore is very Judeo, less Christian. It's pretty rad, actually. Old Testament / Torah is best testament.

>>175945060
I don't remember to be honest. I just remember that whenever I played IVA through my many playthroughs my ADHD would force me to search every room and area of the map for items before leaving. The conversation in the screenshots I posted only happened once out of my 5 playthroughs and I think it happened during the neutral route. Maybe it has something to do with the three route affinities and how much you have at the time of the flag.

>>175945160
Definitely not garbage like that.

>>175945663
Are you a homosexual

>>175945160
Giant, mecha, and can headshot a god.

>>175945160
That's supposed to be Lucifer? So they don't even try with anime versions of things these days? I mean, I'm fine with them trying to make demons or whatever into cute girls but at least make the design similar to what you'd expect Lucifer to look like as one. This is just generic cute anime girl with horns.

>>175945805
That isn't her final form.

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>>175945805
Why don't you just watch the anime, dumb dumb?

>>175945925
Do they all have the same exact body type too? lmao

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>>175945805

Tell me about it

>>175945160
I liked him best in Nocturne.

>>175945805
You know, that argument goes directly towards >>175945313 also. You can't bitch about one of those and not of the other.

>>175939505
>>175942652
This really made Isabeau's thirst for Flynn obvious. Maybe it's because I never did neutral, but I didn't really see anything between the two until IVA.

Walter and Jonathan are much more cuter than Flynn, kind of shit taste there.

>>175945925
As if it was worth it.

Once it stops airing, no one will remember it.
Just another seasonal flavour of the month.

>>175946072
Except it's different. Lucifer has appeared as all genders and many different shapes, not once an anime girl with big boobs. There's also the fact that he does it to disguise himself and he appears as normal human beings, not chicks with horns, etc.

>>175945729
No, I've just passed puberty.

>>175946159
IV made her thirst for Flynn obvious but not as much as IVA. There's some instances in the main mandatory conversations where it'll show hits based on how she reacts to things you do or what people say about you. There's the neutral route too where it seems like she's more glad that you specifically stayed by her side, rather than just one of her allies staying with her.

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Does anybody have a VC-injected .cia of SMT1 they could share, please?

>>175945603

The Angel hierarchy is taken directly from the NT.

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>>175945160
In Taisho era-fashion.

>>175945313
I never realized how flat he was here.

>>175946518
Perhaps it's because I've only played the game once (and took Chaos route nonetheless).

I can't really remember too much of her character in IV, despite playing the game several months ago. I feel like she didn't do much in IVA either, disappointingly.

>>175946596
Emil would be a great otouto but he is too pure to wear such a filthy hat.

>>175946882
Don't make me force Emil to put on the Get Fucked hat instead. I'll do it, anon.

Why SMT IV/A and the neo persona games insists so much in redesigning classic demon designs? Shouldn't it be better to simply create new demons instead of butchering old classics with random shit like ayyyylmaos and disco stu between others?

>>175947264
>Why SMT IV/A and the neo persona games insists so much in redesigning classic demon designs

Two reasons

1. Because IV had a thing with the guest artists and allowed them to design their bosses.

2. A lot of the old designs are actually too outdated to even redraw like purple blanket man (original thor)

Of course designs like Lucifer should go back to his original design but even so, the Lucifer in IV/IVA is canonically a Lucifer from another universe from the other games. The Nocturne and IV/IVA Lucifer aren't the same entity.

>>175947562
>Purple Blanket Man
>Thor
Blanket man is Odin. Or Loki if he's blonde.

popped in Nocturne for a bit after having played through most of Strange Journey

Man why couldn't SJ have a soundtrack like Nocturne?

I play SJ muted like 90% of the time

>>175947562
>purple blanket man (original thor)
You better not be mistaking it for Odin. Classic Odin is rad as shit.

Loki is pretty boring however.

>>175947562

Obviously they aren't the same lucifer, after all he has appeared in many continuities mostly unrelated each other. But his design no matter if he was in the relatively older japan of Raidou, the post apocaliptic world of SMT II or in the weird japan turned into a ball of nocturne stayed consistent. And then in SMT IV he's suddenly some sort of alien with an arm tumor, and his two original designs weren't part of the simplistic outdated models a few of kaneko's designs were.

Starting Nocturne for the first time/first SMT game, normal or hard?

>>175948150

I would say normal. Megaten hard modes tend to be more frustrating and at times luck based than legit hard.

>>175947704
I'm getting a lot of names mixed up to day. Sorry about that.

>>175947832
Classic Odin's design is bland as it can get. I'm not asking for some dumb Asmodias kind of over-designed as we got in IV but it's very outdated. Kaneko has many great designs that even age extremely well, Odin's is not one of them.

>>175947996
>Obviously they aren't the same lucifer, after all he has appeared in many continuities mostly unrelated each other. But his design no matter if he was in the relatively older japan of Raidou, the post apocaliptic world of SMT II or in the weird japan turned into a ball of nocturne stayed consistent. And then in SMT IV he's suddenly some sort of alien with an arm tumor, and his two original designs weren't part of the simplistic outdated models a few of kaneko's designs were.

It's still a new universe we haven't seen before so that can more than justify the change. There's also the fact that Lucifer in IV apparently got shit on and lost his form, forcing him to fuse with Jonathan. You can use that as another excuse as to why he looks so disfigured because that clearly isn't his original form, as you can see his entire left hand is carrying a giant tumor with a feral, demonized Jonathan inside it. It even morphs into a mini demon in his second form. And then there's the fact that Nocturne's Lucifer is clearly leagues stronger than IV/IVA's Lucifer so you can use that as an example that the design change isn't the only difference here. One Lucifer can really be THAT different than another.

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>>175948314
>I'm getting a lot of names mixed up to day. Sorry about that.
>There's also the fact that Lucifer in IV apparently got shit on and lost his form, forcing him to fuse with Jonathan.

>>175947562
>purple blanket man
I chuckled.

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>>175948410
Isn't that what happens in IV? Lucifer says something about needing to retain his original form and sacrifices Jon- ...oh... just fuck my shit up.

>>175946656
That's largely false. The most common angel hierarchy in use is of Christian origin, but it is not 'directly' from the New Testament, it's from De Coelesti Hierarchia. Maimonides' hierarchy as laid out in the Mishneh Torah is the most common of Jewish origin, and clearly bears some similarity to the Coelesti Hierarchia, as you can see in that link, and is all tied directly to Old Testament / Torah passages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_angelic_hierarchy.

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>>175947264
Like the other anon said, it was a guest artist thing ie. a marketing ploy. I'm pretty positive even Japan hated the redesigns of archangels and Lucifer overall, so it didn't do any good in the end.

I don't think redesigns are a bad idea inherently, including iconic demons, but the problem is that it's not the easiest to do (especially for the most iconic demons like Satan). You'll not only need to do a good design, but it also should fit in with the rest of the demons + still make sense in terms of origin/mythology.

They should've stuck with minor/ignored demons, like Krishna. Because even if you do a mediocre design, people aren't going to complain too much if it's a demon most people don't care about.

>>175948539
It's okay anon, we all have those days.

>>175948150
Normal.

>>175948314

Fair enough. I just don't like those horrors like nu lucifer to be related with the poster boy of chaos and others.

As there's no shortage of demons yet to be used, they could've always created new demons to fit the role, or if they were really adamant about creating new/guest designs for oldies, at least stay consistent with their themes and what they are meant to represent. After all I dunno what the hell a gray one has to do with the image of lucifer

>>175948625
Well, Hindus care a lot about Krishna. One of the most popular guys in their religion.

>>175948807
Something something Venus.

>>175947761
I liked SJ OST. I thought it fitted the game areas nicely. I can understand being bored by hearing it over and over again on bigger dungeons, though.

>>175948807
>they could've always created new demons to fit the role

Except that is always going to be Lucifer's role and you can't just replace Lucifer with any other demon. I feel like it should be obvious that the IV/IVA design is only going to be used for that game, so I don't really get the fear of it sticking around. The only reason why IVA even stuck with that design when Doi was forced to redraw it is because it was in IV and atlus probably didn't want inconsistencies. IV only got that bad with redesigns because we had random guest artists as a marketing ploy. I doubt that will ever happen again.

>>175948314
>Classic Odin's design is bland as it can get
I've always found him to be really simple but iconic in Nocturne (not a fan of his secondary artwork's depiction), but I can understand why people would think otherwise. Giving him some leg or arm armour would probably solve that.

I love Doi's Odin too, but I wish he had redesigned another demon instead and left Kaneko Odin untouched.

>>175948979
I was referring to SMT, of course.

Which surprises me, you'd expect Krishna to be one of the most used demons but he's in pretty much nothing! I'm glad IVA gave him a chance to shine, hope we can expect sexy HD Krishna for the Switch game too.

>>175949205
>but I wish he had redesigned another demon instead and left Kaneko Odin untouched.

Well Atlus just can't keep leaving old art or outdated designs just because people like them. I mean, they could and have (also to save money but I digress) but eventually there comes a time where the art/design is just far too outdated and won't hold up well in newer games. They got away with a lot of the not story demons in IV/IVA but for guys like Odin who were a part of the story and needed to appear in cutscenes, they had to get new spiffy art for him... otherwise there'd be this very outdated purple guy trying to act cool while wearing nothing but a towel... next to other demons with brand new art.

>>175949558
Isn't Krishna supposed to be his religions equivalent of the GOD? If so, it makes sense why they wouldn't use him. It would be very hard to place two creator god entities in the same story and the only way to make both of them work is to have one either get gimped to death or have it so he could bodied in the past and returned, like what IVA did.

>>175946309
Gay puberty?

>>175946268
>i-it's different because he's a tranny
dumb chaos posters

>>175949730
An aspect that led people. Hinduism is a lot of ambiguous being where pretty much everything is everything else in different forms.

>>175949730
krishna is sometimes referred to as the supreme god of hinduism.

at other times, though, he's referred to as the 8th avatar of vishnu, which is how apoc depicts him. he is, however, the most popular hinduism deity, and hinduism is the largest polytheistic religion in the modern age, so it would make sense that he'd lead the divine powers.

Capcom vs SNK vs Atlus when?

>>175950256
Atlus can't just outsource all their games.

Next time Lucy genderswaps, I hope she's a big titty monster with a suitable lewd fake personality

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>>175950181
So he's more like Hinduism's Jesus, considering his full powered form (through Flynn) is Vishnu?

>>175949580
>old art
I agree. So many demons in general need new art.
>outdated designs
Kind of an opinion there. Also, what's wrong with keeping an "outdated" design if people still like it?
If they were to redesign the older/non-obscure demons (archangels, Odin...), they should at least make it look similar to the previous designs. Mara is a great example of this.
>but for guys like Odin who were a part of the story and needed to appear in cutscenes...
They could've easily not used Odin though, since his mythology was irrelevant to the Divine Powers.
>they had to get new spiffy art
New art =/= redesign, let alone update =! complete redesign like Odin.

>>175950256

Turboweebs are the only reason we get crossover games in the first place.

>>175950898
>his mythology was irrelevant to the Divine Powers

In what way? His mythology also has a destruction and rebirth cycle (Ragnarok) and is pretty popular (after Buddhism and Hinduism it's Greek-Roman and then Norse-German)

>>175950435
You already have Satan for that. Just give Satan a lewd personality, done.

>>175951393
>Lawfag

>>175950898
>Also, what's wrong with keeping an "outdated" design if people still like it?

Some of them just don't match the setting or aesthetic of the games they are in. For example, purple blanky man would look weird standing next to the rest of the divine powers with their more, how do I put this? More polished... themey designs? I mean, just look at Maitreya and Inanna. Purple raincoat dude would look odd having his old sprites next to them.

>They could've easily not used Odin though, since his mythology was irrelevant to the Divine Powers.
Yeah, they didn't have to use Odin... but it seems like all your arguments basically come down to "Well don't use demons with designs I like because you don't have to" and that just isn't fair. Btw have you forgotten about Ragnarock? It works perfectly fine, but they didn't have to use him specifically.

>New art =/= redesign, let alone update =! complete redesign like Odin.
Again, Odin needed both. His art was very outdated and needed to be redrawn, while his old purple taco-wrap design was outdated and too simplified compared to everything else in the game as well.

>>175951539
Inanna probably should have been more humanoid than depicted as.

>>175951460
>>175949934

Is it just me or is SMT 4: Apoc pretty easy, even on War?

I am doing a physical MC for once and Charge is just tearing bosses apart, not to mention how broken Partners are (Navarre in special and the ultra attack).

Even the AI seems to be lacking. Medusa used Zionga on my Demon that was immune to Elec twice.

Should i just move to the highest difficulty? Or will the game pick up eventually?

>>175951735
And Odin shouldn't have been a purple guy a white poncho

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I think we can all agree that this is the best Odin design

>>175952021
Why not?
It is consistent with how he is described in mythology and there is a general trend for more powerful ones to be more humanoid because that is what a human would visualize them as.

>>175951352
It's very loosely tied though, in the same way that Dagda's depiction makes sense (life and death).
I would have liked to see them touch a more ignored deity, including ones also involved in Ragnarok.
>>175951539
I really feel like we'd just go in circles, considering I'd have to repeat some things I've said.
Let's end this discussion.

>>175944714
Is he summoning his Persona or some shit?

>>175951984
Doesn't Apocalypse (or whatever the hardest mode is) say you can't decrease your difficulty later on? That, and I hear things like hit rate goes down a lot, so it's a bit of artificial difficulty.
The thing with IVA is that overall it is easy, but the difficulty really picks up 3/4 of the game, and maybe a few other bosses here and there before that.
>>175952021
Odin's new design doesn't make sense either, except for the wings on his head and his spear. Bad logic here.

>>175952351
Dagda make sense but Irish myth doesn't have a straight up destruction-rebirth cycle like the Ragnarok in Norse-German

>>175952351
>>175952753
>Prefers purple cape dude

>>175951393

But those manboobs, not some sweet rocking tits belonging to a porn star

>>175951984
I thought 4A to be harder than stuff like Nocturne once it picks up.

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with


SMT if... what

>>175952971
I would gladly fuck both Doi and Kaneko Odin, thanks

>>175953197
Careful, Kaneko's Odin is a purple freak in the shits. He even brings his white sheet with him.

>>175953137
Translation was cancelled

>>175953137
Nope. There are no reliable playtesters, so you will have to wait for it 6 more years.

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OOOOH MAH DAWG

>>175943253
It's mostly shitposting in this specific case, but it's designed to get people to think about what makes a game "mainline" or not.
Is it demon negotiation?
Is it the Tokyo setting?
Is it the world ending?
Is it multiple alignment based endings? You fucking die for being a filthy neutral.

>>175953586
See? He's a gentleman. He brought a spare bedsheet so I don't have to do laundry right away.

Doi's Odin wouldn't do that, and his stupid raven would probably just shit on my carpet.

>>175937518
Gale is the true MC of DDS tbqh, he has tons of depth and gets more development than anyone else

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>>175953689

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With kek, ses and jej

>>175954276
and Heroine?

>>175953586
>freak in the shits
Fucking hell, anon.

>>175954515
keksandra

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>Play SMTIV
>Do my best to juggle alignment
>With the final choice arrive perfectly at 0 points
>lol fuck you, you forgot to deliver an egg, no neutral ending for you

Whats the best ending in SMTIV

With your knowledge of the SMT universe how long do you think you could survive?

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>>175955214
Nihilism.

>>175955383
3 hours until I get Mudo cast on me

>>175955383
I'd ask a cute demon girl to kill me.

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>>175955383
>find a comfy room to stand in
>I am now immortal

>>175955383
Do we have COMPs or anything?

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>>175955383
Wait for this faggot to send me his spam.

Anyone got that photo showing hero accepting his spam and his browser full of tool bars?

>>175955383
If I find a demon weak to gun then maybe I can negotiate and try to move from there? Otherwise less than a hour.

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>>175956176

>>175955383
A while, I guess? Like, at least a few months? I'd probably have a blast and just accept my death whenever it happens, unless it made someone sad. "I fight for my friends" is a real thing, man.

Also, I'd make sure to keep my trusty Pixie with me forever.

>>175955383
I'll just keep my starter demon (Pixie probably) and stay indoors.

I have a bag of unopened puffy cheetos, so I can feed her for at least a month.

>>175955383

Survive until killing YHVH and create a world of STR. And then die because some messian cunt randomly got near and had a lucky shot with a generic gun.

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>large bag gives 100 mag
>small gives 1200

Depp

>>175956680
Thanks senpai

>>175959472
don't bully, raidou

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So can some one tell me how much different Toyko is at the end of SMT II in the neutral and chaos routes?

>>175960934
Pretty sure it's blasted by mega magic cannon in both cases.

What's the ideal Luck build in SMT IV?

>>175961367
999 luck, base everything else.

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>>175961595
No but really

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Which DLCs are worth in SMTIVA?

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>>175963162
Obligatory

Kaneko story, good or bad?

Yamai: I received the original draft with the proposed scenario and world setting from Kaneko

Why did you decide to make the protagonist a Samurai?
Yamai: This was also an idea received from Kaneko, together with the world setting

http://dijeh.tumblr.com/post/129579668973/we-all-know-its-never-too-late-for-some-more

>>175963162
I mean, a messiah does need demons after all.

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Does the moon phase have anything to do with the contents of treasure boxes in SMT 1?

>>175963405
SMTIV's plot from a top level works, just didn't capitalize on it.

>>175961787
He's not incorrect.

>>175963162
Cleopatra for one of the best support demons and Messiah for the Steven fight definitely. If you want to do Twisted Tokyo the Incense DLC is absolutely required, no way around it. Mephisto is kinda shitty as a demon but his DLC has the girls lusting over you on the beach so if you are into that, maybe.
The Level, Macca, and App Card DLCs are basically worthless since you'll get plenty of those things just farming the Incense one. The Demon Store one lets you buy some very broken demons for very cheap and gives you easy access to a lot of high level skills, nothing you can't make yourself with a bit of fusion though.

WHAT SMT GAME HAS THE BEST WRITTEN STORY

>>175963975
P2IS

>>175963964
Mephisto also gives you Dark Pierce if you want to fuse a super Alice.

>>175963975
if...

>>175963975
Last Bible III

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>>175929025

GOD YOU'RE SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT! HOW DARE YOU KNOW THINGS I DON'T! WHY AREN'T YOU RUNNING AWAY INTO A HAIL OF BULLETS! EVERY ONE DO EVERYTHING FOR ME!

yeah totes adorbs.

>>175929169

The literal retard Mirdori was was better than Yuzu

Shin Megami Tensei IV Apocalypse Anarchy

That moment when you realized Nanashi have cucked Flynn.

Isabeau went from hating Nanashi into being his ecstatic bottom bitch, and making Flynn his bitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1YhCwcb3GM&list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ7pABsyzZ6bOKGshMroT93E&index=45

>>175963975
DeSu

>>175964102

gideon zhi, when?

>>175964772
>choosing Isabeau over doggo

Also Flynntatron for SMTV when?

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Coffhee anon here.
I fell into temptation.
Gonna put p2 on the side for a bit.

>>175965291
>PS3 P5 Master Race
yeah boi

How is everyone doing on this fine day

>>175965770
I have to cancel my weekend plans because my bank cucked me.

>>175965291
Its the only nu-persona game I can say I like.

The VN stuff which is half the game/Social Links are actually good unlike the majority of it in P3/4 and I liked the cast and their interactions with themselves and the story ALOT more then P4.

>>175966013
It's almost if the games have evolved with time and experience.

>>175965770
it's pouring rain and I'm not looking forward to my walk home after work, but it's friday so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I want to fuck Burroughs

Is gideon zhi lazy?

I want Apoc Medusa to give me a blowjob and then turn me into a statue as i come into her mouth, my ecstasy forever preserved in the tower.

>>175967630
He is just a fucking asshole.

I also hate if I want updates I have to follow him and listen his political bullshit. I also hate how he never gives updates and if you ask for one you get banned.

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>>175967948
Anon..

>>175965770
I managed to get home finally, time to play Persona 5 all night.

>>175968147
Does she have a scaly texture on the teal bits, or is it more like human flesh?

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Will we see /our girl/ again, bros?

>>175968105
why gideon zhi have so many project?
(many are not finish, no update in 8-10 year)majin tensei

>>175968492
>tfw DeSu OC is my favorite SMT game
>tfw I love Srpgs
>Gideon called dibs on BOTH majin tensei

I dont know anon, I do not know.

>>175968331
she looks like if ginnifer goodwin had a sexy evil sister

>>175963405
>Did the artists design the demons they were assigned freely?
>Yamai: We sent them materials in order to understand the mythological background of the demons, but the rest was their own interpretation.
>What was your opinion on their illustrations?
>Yamai: They betrayed my expectations in a good way. We only modified the colour unity and some details a little, but otherwise I didn’t ask for many big alterations.

What exactly was in the packets they sent? For ones like Centaur, Napaea, and Asmodeus they are rather strange. I suppose that Asmodeus' skeletal armor could be seen as being evocative of different heads, and favoring "revenge" over "lust".

>>175955383

Unless I have a COMP or access to Naomi's magic, I throw myself off of a building or something before I die a horrible death at the hands of a Reaper.

Damn, P5 sure went to shit at the end. They should really stop with the whole dealing with minor shit during the entire game and suddenly face a world-ending godly menace at the very last hour.

And Yaldabaot was pretty much a poor man's Nyarlathotep, everything about him is something Nya did before.

I've been trying to fuse Corpse for three hours and I'm getting nothing. At this point I'm starting to get paranoid it won't work. Fuck accident fusion exclusive demons.

>>175973212
Yea but the fight with the archangels and gabby being the least hostile was a nice callback though

>>175937518
>>175938128
Hes a foil for the other characters and also part foreshadowing. Before Sera arrived they all acted logically and emotionlessly. The reasoning for this is more clear when you beat both games, and in the novels its explained that he and other people specifically like him were born into the junkyard for the sole purpose of being a tactician.

>>175968492
It's called having depression and not wanting to finish anything.

>>175973212
The minor shit is what makes it good though.

Taking out Kamoshida was one of my favorite SMT moments, desu

Is there a way to get a "neutral" response to the wall that asks you questions in the Center in SMT2? I'm testing it out using savestates real quick and I think I've done every combo. It's all either Law or Chaos.

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Almost their lads.

Never played a Persona game but I'm bored as fuck and 4 Golden is dirt cheap on PSN so I just bought it. Does MC have a canon name or do I have to come up with one?

>>175975332
Yu Narukami

Am I just getting extremely unlucky with trying to fuse Corpse? I'm using Stalker + Ose which normally gives you level 33 Power. Both are infected with sick status and so is Nanashi. I've gotten some demons 3-4 times (level 35 demons just like Corpse) already and the combination produced Yoshitsune and Dionysus already.

Its getting to be extremely frustrating

>>175975332
Souji Seta

>>175974986
>- N, Y, N = Neutral
Claims gamefaqs walkthrough.

>>175975643
>>175975518
Welp, what do I do now

>>175975060
Yumiko seems to be in a good spot there.

Started playing that myself too. Killed Minotaur so far.

>>175975686
Weird, just tried it and got the Law response. I think it might have something to do with current alignment status.

>>175975785
Make your own fucking decisions.

>>175975785
Souji Seita is his name in the manga

Yu Narukami is the one in the anime

>>175975060
make sure to not name the protagonists of II nakajima and yumiko, that would be retarded

i'm saying this because the game actually suggests this to you if you play it after beating I

why is Gu Huo Niao such a slut

Is Persona Q actually any good? I'm not spoiled on it and I'm interested in playing it after hearing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRZ-_SiCpug

I used to ignore Q like the plague but I am a bit curious about it now.

>>175976341
It's a fairly casualized EO with Persona character (or their character tropes)

>>175976341
From what I've heard it's OK Etrian Odyssey game wrapped with Persona 3+4 fanservise.

>>175976203
You just think that because you can't comprehend a female being nice to you

>>175976341
PQ has:
- extremely good OST that's the best of any persona game bar maybe 3
- fun but ridiculously easy gameplay for an EO game, does a few cool things
- neat visuals
- decent story
- shit characters that are caricatures of already shit characters
Get it if it's on sale if you're a buyfag or pirate it. I liked it, for what it's worth, thought it was not quite as good as Persona 5 and better than P3 or P4

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>>175976641
PQ on risky is harder than EO1

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Neither did I.

Anyways one of you guys said I needed an orb to defeat him but I can deal damage just fine so far.

>>175977532
he'll just full heal every few rounds

>>175977702
Shit I just noticed that.

I am guessing I need the orb from that vase? I can just go their and get it now right? Some skelly and some lawfag told me about it. What about the best wepons/ of the game? Are they somewere in Infini or sea of flames? I never did get the robes from the goddess as well and I tried to explore everything in sea of flames.

>>175976461
>3+4
Makes me salty. I want my P2 characters, dammit.

>>175978012
i'm pretty sure the robes are in plain sight, yes

nakajima's ultimate weapon can be found after you find that one bottled demon and bring him to bien

if you got the clues i think you'll be able to get the orb

>>175978170
I have no idea how I missed the robes fuck. I hate sea of flames so god dam much

Do you know were in Bien?

>>175978303
i think its on the floor where you beat medusa (so the top?)

if i remember correctly there was this one room that gives you that "you can feel a breeze" message or something

be prepared for the most annoying invisible maze ever, the only time i ever used save states the entire game

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>>175978139
PQ2 with P5 and P2 characters when?

>>175976641
>already shit characters

To be fair P3's chars are written quite well. P4's cast come right out of a moe SoL though

What builds are good in Devil Survivor?

>>175979629
Max Mag holy dance + drain on MC
Pierce + physical on Atsuro
2 casters with the elemental dances.

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Literally impossible

>>175979629
You'll need some strength for a boss in the beginning but other than that magic all the way.

I hear they fixed physical in Overclocked, but in the original it's terrible.

>>175979437
>P5 and P2
Why P5 cast? What makes them better then P3/4?

>>175979437
No I don't want them to be flanderized like the PQ cast

>>175979964
One of the few complaints I have heard about the cast of P5, was that they don't act as much as friends as the cast of P4 does and therefor makes them a worst cast somehow? P4fags are cancer

>>175979964
P5 has Yusuke. Rest can go sit in a trashcan for all I care.

>>175979936
Physical in OC is still crap because you still only get 1 pierce.
OC has the piercing physical skills from DeSu2 but they're crap.
It's possible to play with 2 physical groups but you are seriously gimping yourself if you do that.

>>175978520
Perfect thanks my man

Searching for the Urn is a pain in the ass because I forgot where it was and now.

>>175980529
it's on the same floor as infini's entrance i think

>>175980317
It's pretty funny considering the cast of P4 only even talks because of Yu. I haven't played any of the spin off shit but during the actual game it never felt like they were friends at all, they all just admired and wanted to hang out with Yu, not with each other.
P5 has a decent amount of inter-party banter and plenty of events where you run across your party members and confidants doing shit together on their own without you.

So is there a SMT checklist anywhere? Like a drive doc I can use to keep track on which games I /own/played/whatever.

>>175980706
>But don't you see anon-sama it makes perfect sense because you are from the city and this makes it a-ok and not shitty writing!

I understand that since you are the MC the cast will like you, but P4 takes this to a while new level.

>>175980610
Thanks I hope in DSJ you can mark your map, I forgot if at any point you need to do that but just incase. This shit is cancer.

>>175980887
Just use a notepad and write on it?

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>>175980503
Still find it funny how only him, and the MC on the LAW route have these eyelashes and how he gives you skill cards like the demon painter from P2 which was a reference to Kaneko. Amazing how Atlus made a eccentric NON FEMALE character that people like alot. I think the people on the Persona team have alot of talent, but its being used for stupid shit and they are much better at writting adults, case in point the best slinks are adults

>>175980706
Most people don't even remember about P4 plot since it has been so long, at this point their brains basically can't distinguish memories from the actual game and shitposting.

>>175963739
See the Tokyo Reconstruction section.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/snes/564896-shin-megami-tensei/faqs/52976?page=5#section559

>>175981496
Considering the game tries its hardest to push the "best friends forever" angle to you, that's understandable

>>175980503
>haha I am bland as fuck but I like art and I sometimes do weird stuff because I got reduced to being the joke character of the gang xDDD
Either you're a fujo or you need to get some standards anon.

>>175982624
And I think you should get basic proficiency in literacy if that's all you got out of Yusuke.

>>175982624

Felt the same for him. Back when he was being antagonistic he almost had an actual personality and through the palace he seemed to show a tiny bit of personality, but once it was all over he indeed turned into le epic socially inept art autist only good for jokes.

Although to be fair, all of the characters are the same shit, they have some resemblance to having a tiny bit of personality during their debut palace but shortly afterwards are degraded into one dimensional anime stereotypes

>Cherub evolves back into Angel with Luster Candy
Disappointed desu

>>175981362
Yusuke became a core member of my team from the very minute I got him, no lie.

>>175983571

As retarded as he is as a character, there's no denying he's useful in random encounters due baton passes boosting that one skill he has. Although Ryuuji beats him against bosses.

So in IV what's the point of doing the persona thing of letting me attack the unit to engage if they can get first attack anyway

>>175981362
The only people who I've seen liking him so far are fujos desu.

>>175983816
To move away from the encounters from out of nowhere thing

>>175981362
Writing interesting teenagers is pretty hard because teenagers aren't usually very interesting.

>>175983805
I'd argue that Yusuke is superior to Ryuji from a damage point of view for most of the game for any kind of encounter, really. On top of the baton pass bonus you mentioned, he gets more powerful phys skills earlier than Ryuji does. Plus, he gets more useful passive skills. Adverse Resolve is pretty trash because you'll never get ambushed if you're not an idiot.

>>175984352
Ryuji gets matarukaja and charge, and you won't always be getting baton passes against many bosses to make use of Yusuke's skill.

>>175984450
That's why I said "for most of the game". Once Ryuji starts getting high-tier skills he begins to outshine Yusuke. I plan to use both in my NG+ run though because I like them both. Especially their Persona designs. Captain Kidd is top stuff.

>>175965291
>2160x3840
Kill yourself moron.

>>175984352

I dunno man, I kinda like to leave buffs to people like Ryuuji while joker focuses in being an elemental swiss knife and lol swift strike spam (also another reason to use Ryuuji, swift strike is godly against random encounters.

>>175984535
My end game team was pretty much Ryuji, Yusuke, Joker and Makto.
Got too lazy to play around with weaknesses, so decided to just punch everyone to death. Proper world of str style.

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>DUDE PEOPLE ARE DEMONS LMAO

How is that SMT is not as popular as fucksona? P5 literally ripping off SMT ideas for itself and everybody calling it best JRPG ever, fucking casuals.

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>>175984693
That's the way.

>>175984693
>Got too lazy to play around with weaknesses, so decided to just punch everyone to death. Proper world of str style.
That's the best way to play any SMT who cares about weaknesses when everything is dead?

>>175984916
Because dungeon crawlan. EO has lolis and it's less popular than Persona

Also DDS demons designs>persona designs

>>175984916

You said it yourself, it is due persona aim towards attracting filthy casuals and waifufags.

And well, it looks like saving the world from gods and demons is less of a popular power fantasy than it is to be a super popular schoolboy prodigy that aces exams without effort and gets all the pussies wet for him

>>175985330
>saving the world from gods and demons
>saving

>>175985330
>saving the world from gods and demons
>not plunging it into anarchy

Fucking Neutralfags.

>>175985330
>neutralfags

>>175985902
>>175986067
>>175986135
Fuck off you non-neuters

>>175985902

>Not saving the world from non humans

What are you, a lawfag or a chaosfag? Even destroying the world later is fine so long is at the hands of the proud and powerful human species. We need no stinking god to do the destroying for us

>Remeber you can fuse above your lvl in NG+ of Nocturne

Looks like Nocturne on hard won't be so hard after all.

>>175984916
Do you know where they stole these successful ideas? Persona.

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>>175986145
>neutral

>>175988731
Alex vomiting Mara? wew.

>>175988731
YUKIKO IS NOT FOR SEXUAL

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>>175988731
Nice knowing you.

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>>175989332

Anyone have a save file that is ready to fight the demi-fiend in DDS 1?

>>175989409
Yes.

>>175989603
Would you mind uploading it please?

>>175989678
I don't have the hardware to extract memory card data, I'm sorry anon.

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>No longer controlling Serph and his awkward as fuck walk after 1.5 games
>Gale has an even dumber looking walk cycle

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>Get to Abyss
>Talk with Lucifer after some shit goes down, he's still pretty bro like he was in MT2
>Get sent to the Garden of Eden.
>Dude wants me to kill Lucifer
Get fucked Lawfags, Lucifer did nothing wrong.

So I've enjoyed persona 3 - 5 and decided to give SMT a try and I'm 17 hours into nocturne why does this game feel longer and more exhausting than persona?

>>175990370
Because it's not broken up into "dungeon" and "not-a-dungeon", probably. You also have to manage more things (ie your entire party, current lineup for the area you're in etc).

>>175990370
Because you are actually playing a game and thinking and not just mindlessly clicking through text about how sugoi jokah is

So in SMT1, does the main character just carry around his entire computer with him? I just started the game and everything is just so abstract.

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>>175990370
I suppose that's because Nocturne doesn't have any "safe areas". You are always in areas that have a random encounter chance, unlike in Persona where you take large breaks inbetween dungeons. If you are really feeling exhausted, try taking breaks IRL. There is no need to play constantly, just take your time.

>>175990676
it's a wrist mounted computer

in MT1 the protagonist does seem to carry a huge thinkpad around