/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

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What do I buy? In sea of flames and STILL no robes.

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shorts under skirt

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>>175700840
Posting best girl in everything even loosely connected to SMT.

How much did SMT 1 sell on the iOS? Why was it not for Android? Don't they know most people that play games have an Android since its easier for emulation?

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>>175701262

>>175701262
Alice a shit

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>>175701074
You only get the robes after meeting Izanami at the end of the Sea of Flames. Until you get to her, you will have to suffer through the damage. There's nothing you can do about it sadly.

>>175701629
Izanami is a bea
then what the fuck is the point of me getting it if I finish the sea of flames? Or does Inferno also deal damage?

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>>175701514
What manga? I need it.

>>175701570
You're a shit, I'm sorry for insulting you man.

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>>175701929
Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Lone Marebito

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>>175701929
Fuck you

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>>175701750
There is a key item you need to beat the game called the White Dragon Orb. It is located in the Sea of Flames, and is inside something called the Holy Vase. You need to hear about the Holy Vase from a skeleton in Infini Palace, and then you need to go back to the Sea of Flames and use Rick's Bracelet to get the White Dragon Orb out of the vase. I presume the robes exsist to make this process a bit less frustrating.

Someone please tell me how to beat Captain Jack

I read on guide that charming him sometimes works, but the success rate is pitiful

>>175701074
Your aspect ratio looks off. Is it set to 4:3? I recommend changing it to 8:7, it looks a lot better that way.

>>175702604
Looks the same to me.

>>175702552
Thanks my man, I am guessing the game tells you that you need the white dragon orb and its located in the sea of flames right? For a NES game (originally anyways) the cryptic bullshit is very small.

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This triggers the /smtg/

>>175702429
Thank you..

>>175702506
That's cold man.

>>175703002
Yep, the game tells you that you need it, and it tells you that it's in the Sea of Flames. I have my problems with this game, but it does a pretty good job at telling you what to do through NPC diolouge.

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FUCKING WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS SHIT IT JUST WASTES YOUR TIME.

>>175702573
Please assist

What the hell am I supposed to do to this guy

I literally can't do enough damage to him

>>175704051
fuse doppelganger

>>175702573
use save states until he doesn't heal himself that turn

>>175702573
I beat him by having 3 repel gun demons and waiting until he killed himself. You'll probably want some more damage on top depending on how often he uses Pure Blue.

>>175704626
That seems like the only way to do this battle

guess it's off to the grind mines for me

>>175702429

Big titty monster adult version of Alice when?

>>175703568
What's the point of playing a videogame when you can just look up the story on youtube?
Just wastes your time.

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>>175703568
>Gather a whole bunch of points in one battle.
>Use Hunt move to kill last enemy for a little more.
>Get Stomachache.
I was a little mad, but that's hardly the worst these games have ever done.

I spent 3 and a half hours on Pandora's fight and then it decided to uses that super butterfly attack twice in a row causing one of my party members to get charmed, who then proceeded to murder my MC because they were faster than him.

>tfw izanami and izanagi were siblings
wtf man

Does Apocalypse not have a true freedom ending like Nocturne or Catherine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgo8-IcE2vs
>tfw this plays
shit gets so real

>>175706751
wtf japaaaaaan

How freely should I use demon sources

I don't want to use any of them, but now I have a bunch of them that are useless anyways

What do

>>175708487
Use them freely. You can get them again on NG+, and they usually become useless after a while if you don't use them right away.

>>175703568
Stop eating so much, fatty.

Am I just being a weeb thinking the english SMT IV voices are really not great? I found them a huge turn off, Isabeau was fine mostly but Sawashiro does a better job. Jonathan makes me want to turn the voices off.

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Post amazing music along with people dancing furiously, please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTJPpJprgqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP2cFu6q-hQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJMrVgnu5Y

And my all time personal favourite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQcnanaCjEA

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>>175701514
I can't find that chapter anywhere.
pls spoonfeed

>>175709797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpb7-HeASnU

>>175709762
To each their own.

I prefer the dubs honestly.

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So apparently this was made by the P1 and 2 guy
is it good?

>>175710092
Maybe I'm biased because I just hate Jonathan's voice and could probably masturbate to Sawashiro's voice if I needed to

>>175710078
I thought it was just going to be something to do with Isamu, but I can get behind this.

>>175710383
I'm trying out the undub and yeah Sawashiro is great. JP Burroughs is good enough to make me miss her English VA either.

In IVA's dub I really liked Krishna, Odin, and Dagda's voices but Asahi was incredibly grating and brought the whole thing down and I bet she's better in JP to make playing through that worth it too.

>>175710367
>PSVita

Guess I'll never know

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>>175709797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOYwChN0tfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxJkWYzt2fE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCmNKiWDfew

>>175710367

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3WN7c_aosU

It doesn't look good to me

ey, I beat captain jack

Found some demons with reflect gun, and it was ez pz

Are there any other boss fights like this? Where you have to reflect certain attacks in order to win?

>>175711552
Yeah Jimenez and Gore, reflecting gun is crucial against Gore, Alice and Dopel are godly in SJ

>>175710367
Oh, yeah, that's the thing that comes out on May 2nd-
>it's fucking may 2nd
>but digital only
I'd rather die than reformat my vita one more time.


>>175711401
>that garbage-looking combat

This has been a roller coaster of emotions.

>>175711767
It could just be a bad video but the menus alone turned me off.

>>175711827
It also reminds me of Lost Dimension, which I hated with a burning passion.

>>175711876
I wish I had the kusoge gene some people have where they can just play shitty 200 hour jrpgs and have fun.

Other than MegaTen I have a hard time finishing RPGs unless they're pretty short

>>175711401
Eh, I've played worse before. The music's pretty neat too.
It'd have to be fairly cheap for me to actually buy it though.

>>175710367
>made the worst persona games
What do you think?

>>175712287
You and me both, man. That's why I envy the guy who said he enjoyed the FExPersona game.

>>175712437
How's Mind=0

>>175709797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IDL5XWQVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXkvn2ctcm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tHAF3gZ7TY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50MTGAvcngM

>>175712493
I don't know man, it wasn't cheap enough for me to justify buying it. I was seriously considering it though.
Plus I've played and enjoyed a lot of objectively bad/boring games anyway.

I don't mind the music from both games honestly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlGnqovzGkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihZkuadMqUw

>>175712473
What? The combat system was at the very least great but too much sessions cutscenes.
I dont see knowing wrong of it outside of the setting

>>175712473
Also if it is a censorship thing you can just pirate and download the uncensor patch

>>175712631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlTqnI-xQwM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t8AtV0Oov8

>>175710367
It's not good, but it's not bad either. It's one of those games you'll actually have to play to find out if you'll enjoy it instead of relying on other people's opinions. It can be hit or miss.

>>175713023
Honestly no one would be even talking about that game if it was not announced as SMT x FE. Early on they changed what it was going to be so it was originaly and at the time of the trailer going to be just that, SMTQ but they changed it for idolshit. And did not sell as well it could have.

>>175713350
True, honestly the setting is something from a compile game but ironically has a budget and it's just feels like at the very least a decent game maybe even great if you dont dislike idolshit. I feel that if it wasn't SMTXFE it would be called funnily enough a hidden gem.

>>175703314
no, just neogaf

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>>175709797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnncLWenZnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTMrtrK8Xf4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RiHmQcHa84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av8BRLzIChU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B274jFa5hxY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPYTkFqH6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCKSr8V5QA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na1JEcog_t4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZyZIZ1MfuM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SImbH918OQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxRXBxRux4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4PCOAJ80lo

How are their humans living in the sea of flames?

>>175703314
HOW DARE THEY MAKE FUN OF GAY PEOPLE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>175712469
He didn't make P4 though.

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>>175713773
>Meguro will die in your lifetime

>>175703314
>>175714667
Isn't it just a throwback to Kashiwagi? Who's also a throwback to the older lady in P3's Babe Hunt? Or I guess it actually physically is Kashiwagi in P3, but you get the point.
I don't see a problem at all.

>>175714954
Anon we have to move past those problematic and ancient years of 2006, back before modern culture and tolerance was invented

>>175703314
The bad thing about them is they were hardly on screen. Their appearance was cut short

>>175715201
So we have to complain about re used and unfunny jokes that are well over ten years old now? Thanks for clearing that up.

>>175715531
Stop taking me so seriously nigga

Any particular reason why Persona fans always get shit on by the mainline fans? Can't have a proper discussion about Persona without being called a casual.

>>175715726
Most persona fans ain't played Persona 2, let alone Persona 1

They get scared by first person dungeons

>>175715848
1 and 2 have absolutely nothing similar to 3,4 and 5 though.

>>175715848
I got through Persona 1, but 2's combat was such a slog that I skipped it.
Personally I'll take P1's fight an enemy every 1 step than play P2's combat.

>>175715848
>They get scared by first person dungeons

It's actually because P1 and P2 are really tedious to play.

>>175715968
P2's combat is boring because they forgot to balance the game. EP is actually challenging and you need to need to properly change commands and personas in battle instead of just doing fusion spells over and over.

>>175715965
Well that's why they're called casuals.

>>175716064
>P1
>Tedious to play
Only if you never get any decent personae and don't properly level up your team.

>>175715726
FUCK PERSONA AND FUCK LAWFAGS

>>175716221
>Only if you never get any decent personae and don't properly level up your team.

Nah man P1 is super slow and negotiations suck ass

It's not just of the times either because like Soul Hackers is super sonic speed comparatively

>>175715848
>They get scared by first person dungeons
I don't know man, Persona 1 was only really hard in Avidia World and that Philemon Shrine Cave. I literally used level 15-20 Personas, right up until Pandora.

P3 was much harder than P1 SEBEC Route, not counting Pandora.

>>175715531
>it's another "Mara puns about it's own appearance" sequence
No! You don't have to do that! It doesn't make the giant dick any funnier when it puns about itself being a giant dick! Is it poetic that a demon of temptation can't resist the temptation to make bad jokes about it's own appearance? In every appearance it makes?

It's funny enough to see that Mara specializes in 'pierce skills' (P3) and is weak to Ice. That kind of gameplay punning is fine, and can be really clever if it's changed to suit the game. But they really beat those dick jokes in dialogue for all they're worth.

Which district had the best music and why is it Ikebukuro
https://youtu.be/nFWrjPwfwYU
https://youtu.be/XEtRzDYYBuY

Which is better gameplay-wise; Soul Hackers or Strange Journey?

>>175716603
Soul Hackers but that's just my odd opinion.

>>175716603
They're both first person dungeon crawlers so the basic gameplay is pretty similar.
SJ has a greater quantity of demons and feels more modern than SH, so if I had to pick one I'd say SJ.

They're both good and worth playing though.

>>175716603
I'm tempted to say SH just because you run so fast in it. It and P1P let you fucking sprint all over the fucking place, I went back to SJ and I forgot that you can't go faster.

God I hope they change that in DSJ. Let me fucking break the speed barrier like I was playing Doom.

Does anyone else feel like P5's soundtrack is really overrated? There are a couple tracks that I like but most of it just seems kind of meh.

>>175716603
SH. SJ bored me.

>>175716973
It fits the mood.

>>175716973
It's not a great OST to listen to on its own.

In game its excellent, though.

>>175716603
SH because even though SJ has tougher dungeons it's slow, the music is mediocre, and the battle system is lame

>>175716973
I'm getting really sick of the "every battle theme has to have lyrics and never changes once throughout the game" meme

>>175717319
Man, I wish more games did that. Like those Tales games, Grandia, or even the Mother series. It really feels awesome getting far into the story and the music changes to fit the mood or story.

>>175716973
besides Beneath The Mask being overused (there should have been a new Tokyo theme for when you come after Shido and are walking around in a hoodie), I enjoyed it immensely.

It has a lot of 60-90 second songs that hit the spot for me, and the battle themes for the minibosses sound straight out of DDS.

>>175716973
Rivers in the Desert (The Instrumental version too), Keeper of Lust, Blooming Villain, Willpower, Yaldabaoth, Whims of Fate, Sunset Bridge and Beneath The Mask (Both regular and - Rain) are all great.

I reckon everything else is just above average, not amazing or anything.

>>175717319
Later on they at least did what they should've done for Nanako's Dungeon in P4, where they play the Dungeon Theme (Heist theme in this case) instead of the regular battle theme.

Personally I just forked over $10 for a new battle theme though.

>>175716719
>>175717021
>>175717209
Can you explain your reasoning?

Genuine question. I don't remember very much about Soul Hackers because I only played it for a bit, but I need to play it if I'm going to complete my quest of playing all the shin megoomy tensays.

>>175717665
Why would you need to know their reasons for why they like it better than SJ if youre going to play it anyways?

>>175717805
Because I like video game discussion?

>>175717665
It's fun. Sorry I'm lame when explaining stuff and saying "It's fun" says nothing about the game.

>>175716973
Agreed. Wasn't already fond of P4's soundtrack either.
Also Rivers in the Desert is shit.

>>175716973
Meguro is overrated in general.

>>175718057
It wasn't that bad.

In SMTIV:A all the fiends have their same HP when you get kicked out if you can't beat them in 10 turns except for the dlc right?

>>175718319
When you get kicked out, the fiends will have the HP you left them with. If you left them in the red, they'll heal up slightly to be just out of the red.

DLC doesn't change this system as far as I'm aware other than reviving the fiends after you complete each cycle

>>175718473
Ah ok because I left him at red and was wondering why he was out of it, thanks anon.

Going through twisted toyko is so fucking boring. It would have been cool if it was like hellfire toyko or blasted toyko in SMTIV and you wonder around fighting tough as fuck demons and fiends.

>>175716973
It was a really mixed bag. Some tracks were great and some made my ears bleed.

The good: The Days When My Mother was There, Price, Last Surprise, Layer Cake
The bad: whatever the hell was going on in Okumura's palace, the way the music in Shido's palace didn't repeat very well

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>Al Saiduq can't damage Polaris
>Requirement: deploy Al Saiduq

>>175718637
I agree, kind of, wish they had made twisted tokyo an actual map instead of a big ass domain.

I don't even mind the 10 turn, get kicked out bullshit, it's just that it trivializes the fights since it matters less about the team you bring in and more about how much you want to slog through TT. they should have made the fiends hit way harder and maybe on higher difficulties make it so the fiends heal completely after a battle. also the lv 999 stuff was dumb padding

>>175717665
I enjoyed the world of SH more. The city felt alive and I liked walking around the city talking to NPCs and going to the casino. SJ just felt lifeless and all the scanning and forma hunting contributes to a tedious time. The grating music and awful leveling system make it even worse.

>>175718783
Sweatshop was good though.

Sounds like something out of the older games, like DDS2's Prison Break or some of the dungeon themes in P1P.

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Is there any way to avoid this fucker so i can fuse shit

>>175719101
Have you considered going through him?

>>175719101
Just punch him in the face you piece of shit.

>>175719315
Nigga has one shot attacks and my party is in need of upgrading

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just bought SMT IV yesterday, I'mat Kiccigiorgi forest now. who are the best demons at this point?

>>175719824
The ones you fuse my man


>>175718864
> also the lv 999 stuff was dumb padding
Yea its feels artificial as fuck just higher numbers. Would't be so bad if I can just go fight them instead of having to treck my way down to TT every single fucking time. I just beat the final boss in TT on war. Pretty fucking easy imo. Some one said he was way harder then Steven but I forgot since I was so focosed on Stephen that you have an AI partner that heals you to max hp/smile chargers you and you can, if you live for 10 turns go back and do it again. Compared to YHVH and Stephen he was a joke

>>175719824
All of them are the same in SMTIV.

>>175720134
w/c of them can have a Bind status move so I can spam Fundraise?

For the Stephen fight in Final, I notice he does not use his melle attacks on demons with Null/ref/drain phys, what happens if I have a team filled with Null/Ref/Drain Phys?

>>175720574
>w/c of them
wut?

And yea if you bind them you take all their dosh

>>175719824
The best demons at that point I think are shit like spriggan (resists phys iirc), forneus, some others. HP type demons (5x as much hp as mp) are generally the most useful types of demons in 4, flynn usually has enough mp to steamroll through everything.

mothman and aeros are the earliest demons that learn shibaboo, a bind skill, but don't worry about macca just yet. the game gives you plenty

>>175720134
en no ozuno was ridiculously easy for me since I run a physical build and he's weak to it. I legitimately can not even begin to understand how people think he's harder than mephisto or vishnuflynn, let alone yhvh or stephen. then again if i remember that same guy was saying mem aleph was a joke too

>>175720890
>aeros
okay thx

>>175720652
pretty sure he'll just spam his almighty or elemental attacks. he's basically a much smarter and stronger yhvh

>>175720890
Dude ALSO said he beat apoc stephen in 4 tries. I think am good at SMT games but that is a whole other level. I think he was just shitposting or something, En no ozuno does not have an ability that removes smirk charge AND dopeing. It was so fucking weird being able to use those moves freely.

>>175721136
Then ill leave Satan and my new matador to have resist phys. IV:A endgame is fun as fuck much better then Masakdo in IV. I hope V has tough as fuck bosses for free

>>175716418

>P3
>harder than anything

That is the game where even if you played only with the protagonist you can beat it without even needing to grind because the game was balanced around having retarded teammates that only added weaknesses and extra turns to the enemy due their weaknesses you can't really do anything against until they evolve.

>>175721302
>Muh-muh tactics
I had it set to exploit weakness and they still fuck up.
>Lets use fire on this enemy with fire shit on it

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I have no idea why this was a feature but it was interesting.

>Demi fiend: I will kill anyone who gets in my way, even the prime minister

I had no idea what he meant by this and am sure some of you guys as well but apparently its a nickname for lucy in nocturne by the japs so its a reference to that.

What should I build my Lucifer in IV:A?

>>175721302
As opposed to beating the whole game with essentially the tutorial Personas?

>you can't really do anything against until they evolve.
What is Makarakarn? What is items? What is guarding? What is Evasion skills? What is buffs? What is switching teammates?

Sure P3 is stupidly easy, but that part is entirely on you not using features.

If P5's gameplay bored me to tears should I still give the rest of SMT a try? I hated how enemy encounters became trivial when you learned their weaknesses. The boss fights were fun though except for Kaneshiro or Okumura.

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>Failure as a human tier
-Persona 3
-Persona 4 and any spin-off
-Nocturne
-SMT4A
-Devil Survivor
-Devil Survivor 2

>Filthy Casualry Tier
-SMT4
-Persona 5
-Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

>Foolish Son of Man tier
-SMT
-SMT II
-Raidou Kuzunoha I and II
-SMTIF
-P3P
-Persona 2: Innocent Sin

>Pascal the Dog has appeared tier
-Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei
-Majin Tensei I and II
-Devil Summoner
-Megami Ibunroku Persona
-SMT Strange Journey

>Good Job Killin' Yer Friends tier
-Soul Hackers
-Digital Devil Saga Deluxe Box Set
-Jack Bros.

>>175723308
Probably not, most fights you just figure out the optimal strategy or you die.

What the fuck is up with the fake YHVH in the Center in SMTII? The three angels beforehand were pretty tame, but then that fake blue fuck shows up and I'm scrambling to survive. After having not died in over 15 hours or so, he manages to kill me twice. Where's some good armor for the Heroine and Aleph? Do I need to travel back down to Roppongi and play the Casino and check the shops?

>>175723426
>Strange Journey.
>Persona 3.
>Nocturne.
>Devil Survivor games.
>Persona Q.
>Persona 4 Arena games.
>Persona 4.
>Persona 1.
>P4DAN.
>Persona 5.
>Digital Devil Saga (In progress)
In this exact order I played all these, I feel like I'm missing one from my list but I honestly can't recall it.

It's ascending order, right? Why's P3P higher than P3:FES?

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>>175716973
Not really, I liked it more than P3/4's. The new singer for the vocal themes is really great.

>>175723914
Is finding out exactly what the optimal strategy is more interesting in other SMT games? The problem with P5 is that all you do is pick the element you think the enemy might be weak to and if you're wrong the fight continues on and if you're right the fight is pretty much over. You don't have to figure anything out really, all it is is a guessing game of picking the right element.

>>175724396
>Why's P3P higher than P3:FES?
Fem protag, probably

>>175724563
It's less forgiving, Persona just tends to be more lenient, I wouldn't say mainline is more complex.

You could try out Devil Survivor if you want something different since it's an SRPG

What kind of tier list is this? First game you played?

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>>175723426
>Pascal the Dog has appeared
>has appeared
Nice try faggot, eat shit.

>>175721676
>lets you literally use any character who has battle stats as a demon
>lets you share demons with others
It's a cool touch. It's like something you'd see in an older game, title screen cheat codes to let you do a bunch of cool shit.

>>175724617
That seems like a weird reason though.

'Cause of the new S.Links FeMC gets? The character shipping? The few new music tracks, which are admittedly really good? Direct party control?

>>175721676
So that in case your friend was a scrub you can send him your JACKED frost to body the game for him.

>>175722526
Throw on dual phys and gun pleromas, charge, riot gun and akasha arts, and life surge/critical eye. Evil shine or whatever his special attack is is garbage, so is glacial blast on him.

>>175700840
>people were complaning about how the general was dead
>last thread reached bump limit in 1 (ONE) day

Interesting.

>>175722526
Have atleast one demon with resist physical.
Then all other demons have null,repeal or drain physical. This is to make Stephen focus his physical attacks on the one thay resists physicals. Only hard mode counts. I never saw him use crack code or the one shit kill on normal.

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Hey friends, I don't have a spare 300 bucks to toss at an Apple device and I'd like to play the iOS port of Shin Megami Tensei. The Emulation General wiki says that there's no iOS emulators, but I don't want to give up hope just yet. Are there any iOS emulators that you guys know of, or am I shit out of luck?

>>175726227
Nigga just play the Snes hack it has the best music.

Why did this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=say8auw2ULI
never fucking play in Final?

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>>175724698
I want a new game with tons of Jack Frost variants to collect and fuse with.

>>175726396
B-but muh more accurate translation and GBA improvements! And a more tolerable encounter rate. I hear it's hell.

>>175726516
>SMT: SAMURAI JACK HO

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This place fucking sucks.

Now that the dust has settled, how do we feel about Shin Megami Tensei IV and its sequel, Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse?

>>175726498
Why did they make an arranged soundtrack for Soul Hackers but never use it in the 3DS version?

Why is there almost 4 hours of unused Nocturne music?

>>175727073
>Why did they make an arranged soundtrack for Soul Hackers
I did not know they even made a arranged sountrack
>Why is there almost 4 hours of unused Nocturne music?
I heard of like 2 songs that were unused and were fucking sweet but god dam 4 hours worth? for what fucking purpose? There is also 3d models of Maya and Ginko in Nocturne as well for some odd reason

>>175727065
Isabeau is nice

The music is pretty good but not 10/10 like some people say

Nanashi should have been a girl


>>175727198
unused nocturne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUQlGdjIhQ

Arranged Soul Hackers that was on a CD that came with the 3DS version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxJkWYzt2fE&index=5&list=PLclP_viZT4VtBx0A5DT9Wetgsnr2d_fzh

>>175726579
Chaos Hero learns Estoma I'm pretty sure. Earliest demon sources of Estoma are Salamander (trade gems at Rag's jewellers) and Megami Kushinada (level 28). Abuse Mazio and Nerve Bullets (take them off heroine before you confront Thorman/choose to kill Gotou for Thorman). Use fastforward on your emulator when you have a battle plan set up (ie if Mazio is hitting first then you can just fast forward most fights because they won't get a hit in).

>>175727073
Maybe it's just for the music cd (if any) to sell? I know TWEWY had the same thing.
>>175727198
>There is also 3d models of Maya and Ginko in Nocturne as well for some odd reason
Either didn't have enough time/budget (especially considering Nocturne was costly to make), or was just used exclusively for debug purposes.

>>175727730
The CD was a pack in for the game. You can't buy it on it's own I believe

>>175727065
Not perfect but really fun, especially the latter fixing up the majority of issues + not getting shitters like Nirasawa and other designers to design demons. The overall quality feels nice, music's pretty damn good, the setting and general atmosphere for the most part is nice.

The writing is the worst part of the games (especially IVA going Persona route and overall too casualized), hopefully we get something better for SMT V.

>>175727383
>but not 10/10 like some people say

But it is though.

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That reminds me, is anyone going to tell me what the fuck this was?

>>175728136
Porn..?

>>175727793
Beats me honestly. Might have just been something to help promote sales of the game, or something the composers wanted to do from passion.

One of the main things that bothered me about SH is the lack of audio options. The music is fantastic but you couldn't hear it too well during battles due to the louder sfx, and I think they could've given us the option to use the arranged ost instead as they've already made it.

Alternatively, I'd like to hear it be used in another game and hopefully not just stuck in DLC.

>>175728136
>complete mongoloid Tatsuya
Jesus christ.

>>175728402
>The music is fantastic but you couldn't hear it too well during battles due to the louder sfx
This is basically a series wide problem, from what I've seen. It's my single biggest complaint about every SMT/Persona/Spin Off game I've ever played, barring Persona Q because it's options were great.

god, the boss fights in SJ are just absurdly shit

>hurr spam group wide attack that does half your life and reduce your attack

nice meme

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>>175728136
Fucking legendary Tatsuya, jesus christ.

>>175728603
IV/IVA gives you the option to adjust music/sfx/vfx, so hopefully we can expect that in the future games. Does Persona 5 include it?

Speaking of music, god damn I hope DSJ includes new music. I wouldn't even mind if a lot of it is just arranged stuff from other games.

>>175728724
Ginko's ginkos

>>175728781
>Does Persona 5 include it?

No but the mixing is pretty good imo

I'd just be nice if you could lower the navigator voice

>>175728136
shitty western porn, if I had to guess

>>175728781
>Does Persona 5 include it?
Nah. You can turn off dialogue in battle, but you've still got the SFX blaring through your speakers.

>I hope DSJ includes new music.
For sure, though I don't want them to change the style around. I didn't like it so much while I was playing, but listening to it again is really nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3YcANVqmIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jaqpQNjJLc

>>175728789
Ginko chinko

>>175728881
>No but the mixing is pretty good imo
That's a shame. I plan on playing it soon, and I'm not particularly fond of the main battle theme cause lyrics.
>>175728883
Shit porn like that I see all the time on Pixiv, so it's most likely not western.

A lot of it is also shit like ballbusting or beating up, for whatever reason.

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Vote for best mainline game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/11542461
Vote for best spinoff game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/12100304

fuck you chaos-cuxks

I am a True Demon now, guys. The Dante section in the Kalpa was goofier than I expected.

>>175729270
>he shoots his guns at you to slow you down as you try to run
Pretty sure it even does minor damage.

>>175729270
It amazes me when people say Nocturne is super edgy, especially when it comes from P3kiddies.

>>175729610
They say it to get under your skin because they know you can't help but bring it up

>>175729489
Yep, since they are E&I.

>>175729610
It's also comedic how fucked your "friends" become.
Btw, the top floor of the Tower leading to Kagutsuchi is floor 666. deep

>>175729610
The amazing part is the fact that neither of those games is really that edgy, or that the term edgy's even used.

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>>175729610
People claim P2IS has a somber plot

>>175729610
How would you describe the tone of SMT games, anyways? Like, they're generally pretty bleak (generally as in 'the world's come to an end, you could die any day now') but it's not like there isn't silly shit. The bigger picture and general atmosphere are gloomy but it's punctuated by shit like demons trying to kill you for comparing them to an apple instead of a tomato and wacky sidequests that reenact parts of myth.

>>175729270
Also, it's good to have finally beaten all the DMC games as well. 1-4. Funny how they had Atlus make DMC2 but bundle it as SMT3.

>>175728136
Innocent Sin Online

>>175729126
Why is this even still a thing? It probably got posted to /pg/ or god forbid even reddit at some point.

Lets just decide it here and now in this thread without some gay ass strawpoll.

So /smtg/,

>Best mainline?
>Best spinoff?

>>175730157
Dark but not really edgy. Edgy to me is like I forgot this show's name, elfien lied where its just blood gore and death 24/7 no happiness and shit. Or the other anime where a group of fucking preschoolers kill a puppy for no reason.

SMT takes itself serous but knows when to be dark/serous and when to have fun . And it does not do "dark/edgy" shit for the sake of it like P3 evokes. It was going to be tarrot cards but to fit the narrative of the story, which is death mind you, they mind it into guns. P4 has the exact opposite problem where its always fucking happy 24/7

I'm at Tiamat in SJ and it really feels like with every major boss, I have to stop and go grind to get some very specific party set up

Gotta have demons with lightning attacks, buff spells, and healing spells. Also a resistance to ice would not hurt.

And I have zero demons that qualify for that

This of course, means I have to grind for money. I spend more time grinding for money than actually playing the game

>>175730356
>Or the other anime where a group of fucking preschoolers kill a puppy for no reason.

Thats elfen lied

>>175730356
Wasn't the excuse for the evoker is to make you feel like you are going to die which triggers the persona?
mind you they would eventually lose the feeling of fear of pulling the trigger since you are doing it 24/7 but you get the point.
I feel that it fits the game.

>>175730349
It's a thing because I like you fuck your mom and she gets really hot and bothered each time i post it.

>>175730541
Yes it is, but the reason WHY it was their was because of that. They explained it in the game of course, as they should but if the tone and story was not about death, it would have been tarrot cards

P3 is also about the Iraq war

>>175730349
Even Mirai anon got banned for spamming.

Maybe a janitor will notice this someday.

>>175730356
>where a group of fucking preschoolers kill a puppy for no reason
children are cunts m8 I used to thrown stones at birds with my friends back in preschool

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Should have stayed like this desu

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>>175730864
Birds are not the same as dogs though. Dogs are naturally, unless specifically bred/trained to love us/humans. They evolved side by side with us and are dependent on us. I doubt you would kill or throw a stone at a dog.

I used to shoot my bb gun at pigeons when I was younger.

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What demons do I need to get dekaja and dekunda on my boy Krishna?

>>175730356
>And it does not do "dark/edgy" shit for the sake of it like P3 evokes
It's a bittersweet tale of a bunch of teenagers with completely innocent motives being dicked around by a cliche anime villain and a group of mistreated children who needed proper parenting. Filled also with tons of humour similar to Nocturne's style.

Sure it deals with death as the main theme, but not in an "edgy" way. The game's message is about accepting death as an inevitability and moving forward despite your loss, hell even the Avatar of Death itself in P3 is as far away from edgy as you can be.

>>175730541
Something about the terror part helps to bring out their Personas, but it still doesn't make sense to me. Kinda like how you awaken in P1 during times of danger and extreme stress, only it's more of a forced situation.

If it means anything, they all experience quite a bit of recoil easily on the level of at least a regular pistol. Aside from Yukari anyway, but I guess she uses two hands?.

>>175731062
Nigga IV and IVA has that op compendium search feature use that. I have no idea why it was not in P5 but it better be in SMTV

>>175731032
Unfortunately it only takes browsing 4chan for a while to see the opposite way of thinking.

There are too many cruel retards in the world, be it children, teens or grown ass adults.

>>175731032
Depends on the breed desu

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>>175731497
Makes me think of this.

>>175731432
Yea I have seen some fucked up shit on 4chan, one of the worst was that gif where some dude ran over some kid and kept on going, more and more people ignored this kid This was in China ofc Also people legitimately think Chaos is a good route so there is that. Neutrel for life

Dogs are the worst, but worse than them only the subhumans called dog lovers.

>>175731879
.t cat lover

>>175729884
By somber they mean fucking awesome

>>175731725
What makes Neutral any better when shit like that still happens?

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>>175731879
You probably only don't like dogs because you're autistic and make them nervous as they've been domesticated with humans, not robots.

>>175730356
>where a group of fucking preschoolers kill a puppy for no reason.
I was expecting a lot worse, not sure why I'm slightly disappointed.
Iggy in Jojo was a lot worse, although he's not a pupper.
>>175730981
The last 1/4 of IV would have been better overall if they didn't do that stupid fusion, or at least until the last fight. Who thought it would've been a good idea to replace established characters with who-gives-a-fucks?

>>175731981
Not him but mostly I just find barking annoying and don't want to put up with it.

>>175731879
this desu

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>>175730404
>Sell a ton of formas for compendium monies
>QUEST: GET 7 AND 7 OF THESE FORMA YOU SOLD

>>175731981
>fujo
>dog lover
into the unclean atomic blackhole it goes

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What the fuck is his problem

>>175732591
Nothing, really.

Should be asking what the fuck is Nozomi's problem.

>>175732636
Nozomi did nothing wrong though

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>>175732636

>>175732591
Nanashi didn't wreck his boipussy

>>175732591
gay

>>175732798
Nozomi really should have gotten the dick.

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>>175732516
>Krishnaposting is fujo now

>>175732798
to be fair, you were going to commit something greater than genocide.

would easily be the worst character if second-half Toki didn't exist.

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>>175732820
Fair

>>175732516
Not every gayboy that gets posted is a fujopost anon

>>175733028
>posts an image by a fujoshit
makes u think
though to be fair I'm pretty sure she supplies like 90% of Krishna's fucking fanart anyway

>>175733080
If everyone dies, no one dies.

>>175733028
Poo in loo

>>175733080
Nanashi could easily resurrect everyone as soon as he became God but obviously your 'friends' couldn't be bothered to even listen to what you were planning.

>>175732591
The artist gave him a pale skin color.

>>175732636
This on the other hand is the real issue.
She is a human with godly powers and is still more dead weight than a ghost or a 14 year old girl.

>>175733336
If they were gonna make some persona bullshit might as well do it fucking right like in DeSu 2.

>Go on sidequests with your friends
>Make Gaston worthy of valhala/get odin's spear
>Make Nozimi the queen of fairys proper or something
>Make halfdemon boy comfortable with being a demonboy
>Navvare gets his bod back
>don't do this they turn on you
or some shit if we had to get these 2 endings

>>175730356
I feel like "dark" is a completely useless term though. What the hell does it even mean? That the story had tragic moments? That the characters felt pain or that there was suffering present in the narrative?

People love to spout the meme that P4 was super fucking happy all the time, but ignore the murder, existential crises, sexual assault, identity crises, and overt nihilism. I'm not saying p4 is as "dark" as other entries in its own spinoff series, but the world typically doesnt end in the Persona series, why the hell would it be?

>>175733465
That's just how faries are man

Giving a fuck goes against their credo

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>>175728972

>>175733523
The murder and all that are greatly overshadowed by how fucking happy everything is man.
>existential crisis
P2 did the face yourself the fucking best becuase what they faced was alot fucking worse then
>I dont want to run the inn but I do
or
>I hate this town
And other stupid bs. Murder is dark but the overall tone does not fit. To say P4 is not overly happy/campy is fucking wrong.

I'm playing Nocturne for the first time and I'm a bit confused about Magatamas. They seem to work off a threshold system of sorts. For example, a Magatama may require you to be at least level 10 upon a level up to unlock the next thing. Does this mean I should be leveling them up all the time? Wouldn't that mean some skills would disappear from me forever because I can only hold so many skills at one time? This is a really odd system.

>>175733652
Just look up the skills each Magatama gives you on the wiki and level them up however you see fit.

>>175733523
Not him but I find it makes more sense to call Nocturne a serious but sometimes light-hearted game with a dark atmosphere than just 'dark'. Like you've said, it can become a pretty vague term.

It can also explain games like IVA better. IVA very much had a dark atmosphere, but definitely not "dark" for obvious reasons.

Yo give me the pros and cons of SMTIV

>>175733523
>the world typically doesnt end in the Persona series
Every Persona game even 4 has a world ending scenario at the end. I think DAN is the only game that doesn't have that, but the big bad would've forced everyone to become what society wants them to be basically resulting in the same situation.

Though P4 and 5 never feel like it at all.

>>175733797
Pros: Good OST, Tokyo is fun to explore despite what the faggy reviewers say
Cons: Everything else

>>175733523
Dark means games I like for mature gamers such as myself. Happy go lucky anime garbage is what I don't like because how dare these characters not be brooding over 2 murders the whole year.

>>175733631
I'd argue that the only shadow on P2 that had any real baggage was Lisa's.

Eikichi being narcissistic and shallow (except not displaying these traits in any substantial way) and Tatsuya thinking "oh gee can i really save the whole world when I don't even have a dream" are supposed to be these significant demons that the protagonists face?

Because anything can sound inconsequential when you overly simplify it.

>>175733652
You only need to equip the ones that are shinning and shaking, and unequip them once they stop doing it. It's that simple.

>>175733797
the game is fucking ugly and has 2D battles
it has good music and a "different" aesthetic, personally I don't like Tokyo being underground, makes everything too samey. SMT1 had it down right.

>>175733797
>Pros: fun game overall, great music
>Cons: shitty overworld map, hard mode locked before first playthrough, writing isn't the strongest, guest-designed demons are shit

>>175733797
-cons
Your fight with friends are lame for spoiler reasons
you dont fight them but some demon the weight of this act is lost
Fusion does not have some sort affinty system and allows shit like jack frost to know Agi

Pros
Fusion is fucking amazing and compedoum searches need to be in every SMT game
Setting and atmosphere
Gameplay
OST


>>175733840
>P5 does feel like it has a world ending scenario
The whole mementos merging was pretty fucking creepy and had some weight to it.

>>175733925
the baggage that the P4 cast is fucking stupid though. and I was also thinking of P2EP
>Ulyaya tried to get the joker to kill her Best friend

P4 is a very happy and very campy game, I thought P4fags loved P4 for that why after P5 have they changed their stance? Also that is not the only problem the game has of course

>>175733840
Right but in most Megaten games the world ends or is ending at the beginning. The world ending scenarios always feel annoyingly tacked on at the end, and how could the characters and world react to shit they dont even know is going to happen?

>>175733951
The game looks alright and 2D battles are an excellent system.

>>175734109
oh boy i love casting ice age and having blue blurry shit going all over the screen excellent looks fine

>>175734052
P4fags are in full damage control and are faring a war against P3 and P5 fags.

It's beautiful.

>>175734052
You're right, P2EP did blow most of the other shit out of the water. Usually I hear people jump straight to IS when shitting on later Persona titles.

I guess some people like P4 for being overly campy, but i always enjoyed it for being both bizarre and grounded. I like the contrast it brings to the table, especially when compared to the rest of the megaten games that I also love. I dont feel like giving an overly sappy backstory of shoving in something for shock value is automatically good writing. And i certainly dont believe that characters not brooding 24/7 automatically equals bad writing.

>>175734052
>>175734290
imo P4 and P5 aren't that dissimilar, aside from the start and end. I would consider P5 to be P4 done better more than Persona going back to it's "roots" or whatever

The characters are generally a lot better written but they still have the issue of having flaws that get glossed over for the sake of appealing to as many people as possible.

>>175734052
>The whole mementos merging was pretty fucking creepy and had some weight to it.
Only in theory, not in execution. The whole ending felt a little rushed and no different than what you've been doing the whole game.

P4 also fails that aspect because of the drawn out reveal and overall tone. Though I guess they focused on seeing the Truth, rather than the world ending in P4.

>>175734057
I suppose that makes sense, it wouldn't really fit with the themes if they did have a post apocalypse scenario either.

>and how could the characters and world react to shit they dont even know is going to happen?
That's not an excuse for the games. You could easily have the reactions for party members, rivals and social links/confidants.
P3 and P5 even ends with exactly that, though the public side felt tacked on exactly like you said.

>>175734290
Me too. Especially because the battle keeps going right away, rather than having to wait for the characters to do some epic animation that got stale after I saw it 50 times already.

>>175733945
I understand that part, I'm just wondering if leveling up each and every one of them is something I should be doing or if it's actually detrimental.

>>175734052
I like that P2:IS was 'teens dealing with shitty, usually inconsequential in the long term teen shit' and in EP it becomes 'adults dealing with shit'. Hell, you get a character whose over 30 in your party. I get that they want these games to be relatable to teenagers P3 onwards, but I'd appreciate seeing something like a college age student or worker as a party member, just to put things in perspective.

>>175734682
You don't level up magatama. If you're a high enough level, you can get the skill from them. Otherwise, you get nothing (to be precise each magatama has different random level up effects if you choose to accept them when prompted ie Satan can curse you whereas another might grant a stat point).

>>175734690
Almost everyone agrees the adults are the best slinks in the game, among those being a 40-something ex Yakuza and a 50+ year old politician

Plus in the spin offs they had no problem showing adult persona users bringing back the P3 cast.

Hopefully we get to see a cast outside of a high school again.

>>175734290
P4 fags just need to wait until P6. Then it'll be cool to like P3 and P4.

I can't wait to see people try to ignore all the happy shit in P4 the way they ignore all the happy shit in P3 and the P2 duology. It's gonna be tough

>>175734847
The amount of happy shit in P4 is a fuck ton though my dude. Its been a problem since it first launched. This is not some contrarian thing that P5 brought about.

>>175734847
The problem of P4 was not about the happy shit though. In fact, problem of P4 is pretty much similar to the problem of P5 (which is the slightly better version of the same boring shit).

>/smtg/ now defends Persona fucking 4(four)
fucking wew

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>>175735016
>smtg is 1 person

>>175734682
It's completely possible and viable as long as you do the TDE route.

But always equip the ones that are glowing and shaking more violently, since those are the ones that are ready to give you skills.

>>175735016
Its legitimately better game than P5.

>>175734925
Why omit Persona 3 when it has nearly all of the same flaws as P4 and P5? Having a slow paced dating sim tacked on to your RPG is a very good reason to be annoyed, why does P3 get a pass?

>>175735126
>why does P3 get a pass?
Isn't it unanimously agreed that P3 has the worst gameplay? Story and music's always a point of argument, but I thought everyone agreed it's the weakest of the bunch by far in terms gameplay. Which obviously includes Social link mechanics.

>>175735016
Sorry we're not a hivemind Lawfag.

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>>175735016
Say what you want, but there was no such cringeworthy shit in P4 and waifus were actually great original characters. This entire hype around Persona 5 is all about reddit-tier visuals for kids.

>>175735268
uh persona 4 is cringy as fuck and i like the game.

>>175735268
>great original characters
wow P4fags are something else

>>175735126
P3 is shit. No one is talking about P3 also.
P3 does alot of edgy shit for the sake of being edgy it has some nice plot points though.

>>175735268
Nice bait

>>175735126
There was more freedom in P3, because developers didn't showed a cutscene in your face every 5 fucking minutes. Yeah, gameplay was weak (still better than Mementos), but stories behind SLinks and characters were actually good. Plus, all of it was 10 years ago, before everybody tired of P4 milking.

>>175735268
>reddit-tier
I hate you.

>>175735373
Nice argument, loser.

>>175735349
>P3 does alot of edgy shit for the sake of being edgy
Name two times man.

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>>175735268
So... this is... the power..... of Megami Ibunroku Persona series................

>>175735442
>but stories behind SLinks and characters were actually good
Ill give you Sun, Devil and the little girl but the rest were fucking awful. P5 has the best slinks hands down and mementos you are their for less then 5 minutes, the real dungeons are the palaces fucking P3babies are sometimes as bad as P4fags with their delusions


>>175735552
Evokers. The only reason why its evokers and not tarrot cards like in P4 was because it fit the theme of death more.
that is a fucking huge one.

The whole begining scene where Yukiria is to scared to shot herself. It tells us nothing about the character and its done again, this time in context atleast, when Door-kun fights the first shadow. I have no problem when she does it at that part because it makes sense to show it, but to show a character with a gun, struggling to pull the trigger, for no fucking reason other then a shock reaction, its fucking pointless.

>>175735704
>P5 has the best slinks hands down
Your taste is shit.

>>175735743
>Politaction
>ex-gang leader
>teacher
>Yusuke
>Sojiro
Ill give P4 Dojima and Nakako. P3 has sun but overall, the weakest of P5 is amazing compared to the weakest of P4 and P3. Yumi is so fucking bad and need I say Moon or Magicain in P3?

>>175735831
>b-but muh maid teacher panderingbait
Fuck off, kid.

>>175735912
>ignoring the fucking rest
Bro the point was not the maid shit but why she had to do it in the first place fucking idiot.

>>175735831
>Yusuke
Dumb Fujo also death was the best link in P4

>>175735831
Also by giving Slinks abilities and stuff it makes them way better by default anyways.

>>175735962
>If you like a characters arc/story and the are a boy you are a fujo
Your birth is a mistake

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>>175700840
Why haven't you guys fused with Persona general yet? You guys are basically the same series by this point.

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Personafags need to leave. Or else.

>>175736041
I was on /pg/ for a bit when P5 came out and it was mostly game discusion but went into waifu posting after a while. Also Persoanfags do not play SMT games

>>175735912
>there's a girl so its pandering
SMT fanbase feels like fucking elementary school sometimes

>>175736060
Why do his arms look so comically tiny?

>>175736030
His link is garbage and more sleep inducing than fucking Makoto and his arc on the main plot was cliche as fuck.

>>175735704
>because it fit the theme of death more.
You literally gave the reason yourself man. They even get them in much the same fashion as Persona 1, through fear and stress.

>The whole begining scene where Yukiria is to scared to shot herself.
It's not for no reason man, again it's related to the theme of the game and even the very first battle.

Notice how Yukari hesitates at the multiple armed shadow fight? She's never experienced anything like the Dark Hour before or even any kind of fighting for that matter, then she's given something that very much resembles a gun and after being told how it is used It's obvious a teenage girl isn't gonna be comfortable with the situation.
It fits with Yukari's character well too.

>>175736248
The act of shooting yourself is pretty fucking edgy and dumb though it would still have worked fine with a tarot card or it just activities. Never does this come up again and its just a tool to appeal to edgy kids

And yes I did notice how she hesitates but if they are going to show it when it matters why show it in the beginning at all other then to put shock value.

>>175736416
It's an interesting hook when 5 minutes into the game you see a character holding a gun to their head. Then when they explain what it actually is it stops being edgy and shouldn't really bother you anymore.

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>>175736416
>Never does this come up again

What? The evoker forces the persona out because that's how SEES thought it worked. Did you play the game at all or are you just trying to find things to complain about about a game you don't want to play and nobody is forcing you to?

>>175735083
I don't say this to fit in and be an "elitist", but P5 genuinely disappointed me for similar reasons to what this anon says >>175734925
I was hoping for P5 to be a big improvement, but in the end I only got a slightly better P4.

Maybe after playing so many other megaten games I forgot what modern Persona was actually like, but the paddling in P5 is super boring and I hate how one of the aspects that I like the most about megaten: the battles; take a backseat to HOURS of cutscenes or things like having the party members explaining you every single shortcut or puzzle that you find in dungeons.
And how the best strategy to tackle the game is to spend as little time in the dungeons as possible, because they take too much time from your schedule.

Compared to other megaten games which are mostly exploration and/or fights with some small 5 to 10 minute cutscenes after you played for an hour or two, P5 is a drag to play.

>>175736416
It fits perfectly with the overall theme, even better than Tarot cards would for P3. What's the problem with Evokers? They're not actually committing suicide, it's even a plot point and an interesting way of summoning them.
Without the Evokers SEES wouldn't be half as effective as they were, It's not that easy to summon Personas without it. It's a slightly different situation than the other Persona games, unlike when Philemon gave them Personas directly or they overcame their shadows themselves.

It even helps build a little more personality to the characters too.

>>175736746
It helps to not expect the same kind of game as a traditional SMT from a Persona. 3 and 4 were paced weird with dungeons/life parts too so I wasn't expecting that to change in 5.

You can spend as much time in dungeons as you want if you get SP recovery items, and on Hard I thought what dungeon crawling there was there was tense since a lot of enemies didn't have weaknesses and made for fun battles.

>>175736218
They guy probably has a malformation or a disease, which is why he hates racists and acquired the motivation to get fit.

Does anyone know if there is an undub version of DDS2?

>>175736591
You have a point it is a nice hook but its so over the top for the sake of being "dark" is what annoys me. I don't mind a dark game or story or whatever if it happens naturely but the creaters forced the evokers to fit its tone. It did not have to be an evoker a tarrot card or w.e works just fine.

>>175736663
People who have not even played the game knows what evokers do anon what I failed to say was that it being a gun has no purpose and is just their, to be darker then it actually has to be. When the game does a fine job with it already in my opnion. It has its stupid happy shit but it knows to be serous. Taking a gun and shooting yourself is pointless. And by that I mean the creative processes in which the designers ended up in that situation.

>>175736746
I mean it is a Persona game. Half of it will be VN shit but atleast the Slinks are intresting and serve a purpose other then more demons to unlock. Thats why I used to say DeSu 2 did slinks better because it effects the story, or in P5 case, the game play more then P3/4. Bringing back real dungeons, negotiations and demons models are a massive improvement desu
even if the dungeons are easy but some people found the last few "hard"

>>175736878
>since a lot of enemies didn't have weaknesses

Did we play the same game? I dropped the game in the middle of Okumura's palace and I think I remember there being like two enemy types (besides bosses obviously) that didn't have a weakness. And even then all you had to do for them was use lucky punch and they became as mindless as every other fight.

>>175737108
The gun stuff obviously had a huge effect on you and your view of the game so it is anything but pointless. Imagery wise it sets a tone and causes reactions like yours which means it's quite effective and replacing it with a tarot card would be completely different.

>>175737108
>it being a gun has no purpose and is just their, to be darker then it actually has to be

Yes it does though

The whole primary theme of the game is confronting death. On top of that it's explained in universe that that's just the best SEES understood how it worked from their experiments trying to forcibly create persona users.

Even if it doesn't make sense to you it 100% fits thematically.

In the spin offs and later on they figure out they don't actually need evokers with enough practice.

People forget that SEES wasn't some all knowing organization, they were figuring things out on the fly and a lot of their understanding got later proven wrong.

>>175737148
nah I didn't play on Normal

>>175737215
It does not have to be a tarrot card. Them just turning it on would have been just fine.

>>175737327
Okay? I played on hard too. What does the difficulty have to do with how many enemies had weaknesses?

>>175737336
>Them just turning it on would have been just fine.

That's not what an evoker does.

>>175737297
Isn't it that the fear of death causes their power to actualize, instead of being truly in control of it?

>>175737108
>it being a gun has no purpose
It's to force the Persona out anon, the SEES cast is under different conditions. They can't just force them out willy nilly until the Arena games.

P4's Persona users either had them given directly by Izanami, or they were an off shoot of Yu's power+TV world's effects.
P1's cast got theirs directly, on top of being in a dream world scenario.

>>175737465
More or less, evokers just simulate you feeling like you're about to die.

I believe it's specifically explained that it's you confronting your fear of death.

It's explained a little better in the movies where it's speculated that becoming apathetic to the idea of death could possibly make your persona gain a will of it's own.

>>175737505
Yes I know why in the story they have it and understand. What I dont understand is why couldt the writers just make the personas pop out willy nilly since it would have not effected the overall story and instead made it something outlandish

>>175737465
The fear of death ,makes it come out its been a while since I played P3 though. If its the fear of death what if you dont fear death at all will it still work?

>>175737505
The P1 cast get their personas in the real world.

>>175737630
>yes I understand its purpose in the story
>why could they have not done something else though
You're just walking around in circles dude. The fact a gun is what's causing the Persona to come out is obviously very specific imagery the creators wanted you to see, and it effected you.

>>175737630
Because it's an original idea that also fits the message of the game a lot better than Tarot Cards ever could? There's no reason it can't be Evokers, and it's not a bad idea at all.

Cards wouldn't add anything, but the Evokers do.

>>175737665
From the Persona game that sends them to Philemon though, and the Deva System was clearly affecting (Or is it effecting?) the real world too.

It's probably more accurate to say they got the potential from Philemon, rather than the Personas themselves.

>>175736746
The Megaten Brand is strong, to me, because it has variety. Some games aren't turn based, some games dont have fusion, some games dont have negotiation, some games are character focused, some games are world focused etc. I really dont understand why Persona has to be more similar to the rest of a franchise that has no unifying quality other than some spell names and Kaneko's Horde of demon designs.

>>175737630
I think you have a point. But the Evokers come off as edgy in the true meaning of the word, as in something bold and provocative, rather than the memey term (being violent for the sake of being seen as cool).

Which in the end proves that the writers succeeded, because compared to the evokers, the fanbase looks at other summoning methods like crushing a tarot card or yelling out loud as an unremarkable afterthought.

>>175738024
>because compared to the evokers, the fanbase looks at other summoning methods like crushing a tarot card or yelling out loud as an unremarkable afterthought.
No, not really, in fact I'd say P5's blood and black faces are more bold and provocative than P3's fake guns.

>>175738151
And guess what came first.
You can even say that the writers were inspired by it.

>>175738257
>And guess what came first.

What does that have to do with anything?

I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue anymore

>>175738151
>P5's blood and black faces
That's the initial awakening, otherwise they just sort of move a little bit in battle.

The Evokers are also completely real guns, they've just kept the firing mechanisms intact, locked the loading parts and added a few more parts to complete it.

>>175738336
>The Evokers are also completely real guns

But that's wrong

>>175738435
They're real pistols refashioned into Evokers. They're not made from scratch.

It's not related to any of this and doesn't even matter at all in terms of story or the theme of the game, but it's something I thought was neat.

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>/smtg/ fags actually taking p5fags bait

can we not guys?

>>175738578
>They're not made from scratch.

Yes they literally are, Kirijo Group manufactures them from scratch.

>>175738302
And what does P5 have to do with the previous argument?
I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue anymore.

But seriously though.
First of all, I'm a different person.
And the second point. The writers of P5 decided to emulate something more bold like the evokers rather than the tamer and safer method of P4. So it proves that the writers of P3 succeeded in creating something memorable, as P5 emulates and pays homage to that "edgy" method of summoning.

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Chances of SMT demons showing up in Atlus' new game? If it does end up happening can we talk about it here? A medieval SMT game that is not shit would be fucking great

Does Nocturne play well on PS2 emulators? And also, I've heard it's the best starting point to get into the series, is this true? I've never played an SMT but I've played all the numbered Persona games, so there's that

>>175738839
It's not really edgy though

>>175738884
Considering that Hashino said in an interview that it's going to follow the tarot thematic of Persona and Catherine, I'd say it's probably going to be it's own thing. But it's also very likely it'll use SMT demons so they don't have to make shit from scratch.

>>175738607
I got the impression that the manufacturing was just them remodelling guns to use the Plumes of Dusk, which would make them be able to function in the Dark Hour.

Maybe I was wrong, but either way it's a neat idea. Especially with the whole Plumes of Dusk making stuff work in the Dark Hour side.

>>175739019
Since when has "manufacture" ever implied "modify for an alternate function"?

>>175738890
Minor graphical issues (mainly shadows), and ladder glitch. You can do a quick search on what the ladder glitch is, since that's important.

Otherwise, fine. Make sure to up the native resolution (or whatever it's called) so it's not blurry as shit.

>>175700840
The other members of the Jack family should get some more love in future games.

>>175739185
They should push Lantern

>>175739073
I don't remember them ever actually saying "manafacture", but I'm probably wrong about that.

It does raise a few questions either way though, why do they even need to have a Plume of Dusk in them to begin with? I know the intended purpose of them, but why does it need electronics to work? Surely a regular gun would work fine, just don't put any bullets in it.