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>What is this?
A general for all strategic, operational, and tactical wargames that can't generate enough traffic to sustain their own generals. ARMA need not apply.

>Attention Grabbing tags:
/wgg/ /sdg/ /rtt/ /rts/ /rtsg/ /tsg/ /mowg/ /mowassg/ /ctag/

>Example welcome games:
Steel Division: Normandy 44
Wargame: Red Dragon
Combat Mission
Call to Arms
Flashpoint Campaigns
Graviteam Tactics
Theatre of War
Men of War
Command: Modern Air Naval Operations
Armored Brigade
Close Combat
Steel Panthers MBT
CMANO

>Introduction to Steel Division:
https://www.paradoxplaza.com/steel-division-player-guide/

>Graviteam Tactics Downloads:
http://pastebin.com/TwMLZQ6h
https://pastebin.com/cgWbuPSS

>Interesting history links:
Cold War military technology ads:
http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/military-ads-1980s
/wgg/ misc Cold War literature:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zfm69f0k91pmf0y/wgg-lit-v1.3.rar
The Soviet Army: troops, organization & equipment
http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf
USMC intelligence North Korea handbook:
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/nkor.pdf
Everything there is to know about the T-62:
http://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.my/2015/12/t-62.html

>Teamspeak server
ts.artificialanimation.com:7997

>Discord
https://discord.gg/Jyqq6tQ

>Legacy Wargame General pasta and game-info repository:
http://pastebin.com/70Nwcb5m
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lon0cgmjfqwq1oi/WargameRD_Hidden_Knowledge_Spreadsheet.xlsx?dl=0
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UvBiH3lrCFzLYnRzNzF49yVtaNHYLfi7dgMpNE517RM/

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1st for reddit get OUT
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>>175567423
Ree ecksdee
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Xth for Wolverines are a waste of a card slot!
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xth for ANIME!
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>>175567570
If you're Scots.
2ID and 3AD need em.
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>>175567613
karen a qt desu
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>>175567570
but thats everything france gets
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>>175567661
>Uncle Sam wants a 17 pounder but his mum won't let him
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>>175567760

They get Wolverines in phase A
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>>175567760
>>175567570
They get them Phase A so they're great for the frogs
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The Discord in the OP is the wrong one

https://discord.gg/cbbQvEP
https://discord.gg/cbbQvEP
https://discord.gg/cbbQvEP

For a not dead Discord
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>>175567253
>Discord
>https://discord.gg/Jyqq6tQ

WEE WOO WEE WOO WEE WOO

ANIME DISCORD ALERT
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PvP & coop scenario editor when?

SD is practically made for that shit, it'd be perfect.
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Prepay beta was a mistake. This content drought is killing me.
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>>175566787
Maybe the small arms ones, but again, arguably so, and the FG42 part is extremely laughable.
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JUST GIVE US THE CONTENT FROM THE CLOSED BETA ARRRGH EUGEN YOU KUKCS
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>>175569497
>>175569171
>>175568908
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21. Panzer when?
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>>175569393
Wasnt it going to have mod support?
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>>175572053
It'll probably get the ability to import 3d models and change sounds but actual proper mod support has about a 0% chance.
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>>175572126
Im not seeing reason to prevent custom maps and scenarios
unless paradox wants to sell everything including the smooth hairstyles for ace pilots
then there wouldnt be mod tools
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>>175572867
Maps are apparently a huge pain in the ass on IrisZoom, I wouldn't expect map tools.
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>>175568908
>banned for posting anime
lol
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>>175573264
Banimed
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do you get anything worth while in the deluxe edition of Steel division? Do the special units have higher veterancy or something?
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>>175574064
No.
You get skins on some tanks.
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>>175574196
wtf why would anyone buy it?
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>>175574459
People are fucking retarded m8, are you new to vidya?

Still laughing at the idiots who bought Civ 6 Deluxe Edition before it was disclosed what's inside and a few months later realising that buying the game and all the DLCs separately would cost them less, fucking DLC preordering faggots.
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>>175575063
Well they got a new nation for a few months that no one else got so for some people that's great value.
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>>175573264
More like banned for being a huge faggot. You're not even playing wargames.
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What's the counter for Avre in phase A, one fucker killed all of my AT guns with an avre and a churchill V
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>>175576276
Le leddit butthurt about anime
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>>175576426
Le weeb butthurt about being a fag
Maybe you should fuck off to /a/ if you're not playing wargames
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this is why discord is a cancer.
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Give me my leafs fucking now reeeeeeeeeee
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>>175576693
Why? Because weebs are fucking manchildren?
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>>175576778
>man
lol i'm female. In reality the discord is full of sad virgins.
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>>175576920
You're like a child
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>>175576124
That was for every preorder, you didn't need to buy the deluxe edition, ie preorder three DLCs before the game is released a)not knowing if the game isn't shit; b)not knowing what will be in those DLCs; c)not knowing what will be the price of the DLCs.
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>>175577002
and you're an edgy teenager
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>>175577126
wtf I love jack now
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Does someone have that pic with every divison and the little description that shows up when you mouse over?
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>>175576778
because this happens;
>>175576920
>>175577002
>>175577126
>>175576426
>>175576615
>>175576276
>>175573264
>>175568908
>>175569171
>>175569497

we don't need the thread filled with your discord wars bullshit.
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>thread is already shit

Nice. Good job guys.

And Jack, fucking kill yourself. You were an annoying shit over at /simg/ because you always started stupid drama, and now you are doing it here.
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>>175577490
You do realise it's all just one weeb who doesn't even play wargames
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>>175577563
>one namedrop and that person is wholly responsible
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>>175577723
Stop fucking the thread up with your drama bullshit you retard. Stop trying to be the center of attention everywhere you go
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>>175567253
>ARMA need not apply.

Why? I don't see it having its own general

I guess this means SQUAD isn't welcome here either?
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>>175577884
I'm literally not. Vast majority of my posts are on topic content to do with Steel Division...
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SHUT THE FUCK UP THE LOT OF YOU

And appreciate just how fucking OP this shit looks..
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>>175578159
Kill your self you idiot bong.
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3CID and GAD will win against all Krautaboos
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>>175577936
The better question is why would a shooter apply to a general about wargames
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>>175578371
what the fuck why do they get them in all phases and so many of em i hate frogs so much
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I'm pretty hpyed for the GAD desu.

I can't wait for my Fireflies to nig King Tigers and Wehraboos will cry rivers
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>>175578419
>implying 1 Pancerna won't be the most OP division in Eugen history
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>>175578371
>Phase A
>2 cards of 2 x m10's
>120 points each
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>>175578462
Because a shooter can be a wargame?

Instead of playing an armchair general you're playing a grunt or an operator on the ground with a squad of people trying to work together
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>>175578648
Arma is not a wargame
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>>175578648
TIL Battlefield is a wargame.
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>>175578691
>>175578798
t. omniscient, telepathic armchair generals
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>>175578371
Nothing new here.
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>>175578884
Yeah, that's how wargames work and that's one of the reasons why Call of Duty or whatever you are playing is not one.
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>>175578648
>A wargame (also war game) is a strategy game that deals with military operations of various types, real or fictional. Wargaming is the hobby dedicated to the play of such games.
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>>175578371
I wonder why the fusis are so expensive. Could be a fullsize squad, but then it should be in INF. Extreme range?
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>>175578371
Would Phase A Achilles be considered too good or just overkill, considering that all this extra AP won't really do much against early German shit?
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>>175579447
Yeah, desu all these Phase A meme tanks just seem to exist purely to hunt each other. I've been having a lot of success just buying more infantry and I imagine that'll continue even with the new divisions.
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Banning Custard and Jack from this community would be a good thing. Jack is an a3g shitter and is always starting drama and trying to be the center of attention, and custard is a disgusting redditor that shitposts and starts drama whilst pretending not to. Don't forget that he started the whole gregposting shit.
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Any of my senpaitachi in here got Graviteam: Tunisia yet? Unlocked on steam ~1 hour ago. This thread needs evaluations.
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>>175579392
They have an expensive transport, it's just a 4-man squad with a bazooka.


Also, they've said on stream they've split M10 in Phase A into two cards of one in a more recent build.
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>>175579930
And both are disgusting bongs. Coincidence? I don't think so.
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Ignore it.
Report it.
Forget about it.
Nobody for the discord is doing this and none of us approve at all. We just wanted a good meeting point for pub games that wasn't teamspeak. I'm sorry the thread has to suffer.
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>>175580091
>Nobody for the discord is doing this and none of us approve at all
Oh how wrong you are, disgusting faggot.
>>175580050
They are as bad as the Americans. Who would've guessed?
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Do you buy firefly first or wait?
I held of yesterday untill just before phase B and was able to to manage.
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>>175580091
>damage control
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>>175580269
Only if I'm playing against 3AD, and even then not every game. Often an AT gun with a leader nearby will do just as a good a job.
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Why not just namedrop more random people since we're so intent on accusing people who didn't do anything of ruining the thread

If only the fucking janny did his job hey?
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>>175580479
You realize it's only Jack and Custard doing this right?
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discordfags ruin every single general they come into contact with, why haven't you people fucking learned.
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How do I into graviteam gaems famalams?
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>>175580846
do the tutorials, and allow your shit to be pushed in for a while. you eventually get the ropes of it.
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Ban the Bong.
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>>175580970
no I mean if is there an order to play the games or if I should just play one game and avoid the others or somthing
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>>175581305
mius is a good one to start with, generally. it's pretty well-refined and everything
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>>175581305
They're not really sequential, just play the one that interests you the most in terms of setting.

Mius Front and their new Tunisia one are supposed to be the most user friendly.
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>>175581305
Pretty sure Mius front is considered to have easier to learn UI, and is easier to get into.

Operation Star has more content overall, and is still an extremely good game.

Mius front doesn't have snow maps either, while Operation Star has a huge abundance (though two DLC's give eastern front summer, and three give summer in other conflicts) - the majority of eastern front scenarios are winter.

I started with Operation Star mainly because of the huge amount of content it has, and I don't regret my decision.

I'm assuming that Tunisia will be using similar UI to Mius front - it just is likely to be light on content until some DLC's come round.
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>>175581540
>>175581583
>>175582063
thanks anons
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>>175567498
>g43 better than the Garand
>Never mind, it's just bait.
As I said earlier, is it that much of a a "wrong" opinion? Lack of grenade launcher and bayonet aside (I don't recall/understand why the G43 lacks them), the G43 has better feeding system, a better action, IIRC they're also supposed to accept optics without modifications and be more accurate.
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Has anyone played this yet?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/485980/Syrian_Warfare/
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war is hell
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>>175583482
No but looking at the reviews I feel compelled to go watch an LP and see what it's like.
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>>175580795
This. /vg/ and TS/Discord should never mix. These """''"'people""""'" want all the attention and recognition you get on reddit, but still want to be cool and say they are ebin 4channers.

Oh wait, the two people that made this general are both frequent redditors. Really activating my almond.
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>>175584206
Greg please
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>>175584206
>leave /wgg/ for a few months
>come back hoping it would better after people had time to sort their shit out
>still full of literally high-school-tier interpersonal drama instead of wargames
Why doesn't everyone just go play some games based on historical conflict and then come back here to talk about them? That seems like it would be way more enjoyable for everyone.
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>>175584746
WW2 is the littest war
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>There will never be this kind of warfare again
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>>175585016
>All nations of the world will never mobilise to their full industrial capacity with the goal of killing eachother as well as possible
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>>175585016
>>175585103
>I didn't want to feel these feels
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>>175585989
Enjoy the ride
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>>175586357
>crew not even returning fire
>most of the gunners are probably wounded or dead

Semi-related I have a collection of nose art, if anyone wants me to dump more.
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>>175585103

>You will never laugh as the so-called post industrial countries try to orient their finance and service economies towards production of military materiel
>You will never witness the opening days of WW3 causing the global financial markets to crash, resulting in the involved countries having to use their armies on their respective rioting populations instead of fighting each other.
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So what's the skinny on Tank Warfare Tunisia 1943? Just another Graviteam title?
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>>175587114
More or less. Mius Front, but in Tunisia.
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>>175584809
WW2 was boring as fuck.
They just drove tanks and marched their troops towards each other. Yawn
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>>175587114
>>175589274
There are some gameplay vids up on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXhHAdJMrxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUVhDbeu0co
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Playing Steel Division for the first time and I can't find the keybinding to lock a camera to a unit in the Options. Did they remove it?
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>Waffen SS gets its own faction in Robz Mod
So an entire faction of elite units and elite tanks, how """"""""""balanced"""""""""""" will this be
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>>175592353
>entire faction of elite units and elite tanks, how """"""""""balanced"""""""""""" will this be
And complete bullshit historically..

>muh elite SS
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>>175592353
>also get the incendiary norbleworfers attached to halftrack early game for 8 SP
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To the anons in the previous thread talking about the recon line "the only good recce is a dead one", pretty sure that's a reference to Patton. Said something along the lines of this to his recon troops "Just drive down that road until you get blown up".
When you want to advance quickly, the best way to the find enemy is literally just to go at them til they shoot at you instead of taking time to look for them carefully and not get shot.
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>>175592706
Are neferwufers OP in every game they appear?
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>>175592353
>every single squad gets multiple panzerfausts except for their "militia" which only get 1
>the militia is just soldiers who are in training so some of them get normal skill levels
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>>175592353
They should be expensive to compensate at least?
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>>175586801
Pls do so.
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>to compensate for germany losing the SS units, now EVERY single German infantry squad gets Panzerfausts in addition to new elite infantry
>only squad without panzerfausts is the new squad that gets literally nothing but STG44's

I cant believe I thought Robz wasnt a wehraboo
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>>175594769
What?
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ITT: ameritards and HATObbbies upset about games that dont follow jewish hollywood propaganda
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>>175597846
What?
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Bought Wargame: European Escalation the other day as it's cheap and I wanted to make sure I'm into this kind of game before splashing lots of cash on them.

Fucking hell it's terrifying. I haven't had a heart rate this high while playing video games in a long, long time. Probably since Resident Evil Remake.

It's great. I mean, currently I'm totally shit and sucking hard but I'm having a great time doing it.

Should I stick EE out or are AirLand Battle or Red Dragon a significant enough improvement to just move on to them now that I know I like this kind of game?
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>>175597940
EE has the best campaign, the other campaigns are just tacked on
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>>175577568
There are two discords so you're just objectively wrong.
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1st Polish Armored is the only allied division that hasn't been featured in any devlog, presentation or stream.

Is it because Eugen wants to postpone the outrage it will cause as the most overpowered deck in the game, or is it because they think they can still trim down the insane imbalance before the release?
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>>175598223
Can you just give it a rest.
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>>175597940

Get Red Dragon even if you don't care about the multiplayer.

17 Countries (plus 4 DLC ones)
TWO THOUSAND (2000) UNITS

Half the time I just go into the armory and jack off to obscure Danish air defense systems.
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>lmao King tiger unstoppable allies won't have a counter haha lmao XD
>Wow the French get two tanks in phase A!!! So OP!!!!!
Really makes me think.
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>>175583482
>Syria
Just pirated it and so far so good, you get car bombed in the first mission and the tutorial is annoying but useful. Are AKs, smokes and frags standard issue for police squads in syria?

Also it looks like it could be painting the syrian government as the good guys and the rebels as the bad guys.
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>>175599149

So it's realistic then?
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>>175599185
Its pretty amusing. Plays like MoW, but it has very nice stuff when it comes to urban warfare.
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>>175599428
>tfw microing ATGM's to fire through holes in buildings
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>>175577398
you know it m8
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>German forces are defending against allied invaders
>Allies historically won the war
>Germans start off weak, and grow to be strong
>Allies start off strong and grow to be weak

This does not compute.
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>>175599185
Yeah I'd say it's worth 10 bucks.
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>>175599969

Allies have better logistics therefore they get shit out on the battlefield sooner
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Is this game any good?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/549080/Tank_Warfare_Tunisia_1943/
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>>175599969
>allies historically had complete control over the skies to the point where Germans had to move at night to avoid getting wiped out
>Germans in game have more than 1 card of planes for any division
This does not compute.
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>>175600151
No

>flat plains
>microsoft Sam American voices
>jew faces for americans
>Americans running out of ammo despite it not being some desperate eastern front struggle
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>when the flammens are werfed just right
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>>175599562
>352 relies on artillery
oh boy I can't wait for even more nerfer werbels.
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>>175599969

The elite german forces were somewhere else because the Germans thought the invasion was going to land elsewhere and not at Normandy.

So it makes sense that they get stronger as the forces are moved to the correct place.
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>>175601736
Did someone say phase A nerbels?
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>>175601739
You only play as a single division
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>>175601849

I can't wait to see what kind of bullshit the 716 infantry has to compensate for their shit infantry
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>>175600546

nowadays it would be all band logos and spurdo/pepe/wojack variants

>you will never see a bf109 with pepe on the nose shooting down a mustang or La7 with wojack on the nose
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>>175601849
can you imagine the fucking butthurt when Soviets are added and the tables are turned on the Germans when Katyushas are added?
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>>175601956

Well maybe your division is just arriving in Normandy after being redirected. The lighter units have gotten there first.

Use your imagination.
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>>175602229

According to von Manstein the largest concentration of artillery the germans ever had was in the siege of Sevastopol where they fielded 25 guns per kilometer of front.

He then goes on to state that the Soviets would field 400 guns per kilometer of front in 1945.
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>>175602431
They are historical divisions who were in the area at the time of the invasion
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>>175602721
>good anatomy and face but absolute garbage breasts
I really hate that meme.
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>>175603610
Your virginness is showing.
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>>175604291
Because women's breasts totally have the same shape as shitty 40s bras, sure.
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Name a better World War 2 division than the British 6th Airborne?

Protip- you can't.
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>>175605026
Literally any SS division. They were nothing but the best of the best
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>>175604779
yeah you're a virgin.
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>it's another 'Eugen's country bias wins a shitter the match' episode
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>>175604779
Do you think the 18 year olds fighting that war had ever seen a pair of tits before?

Of course not, they're just like us except they actually fought in a war and could fly B-17s and shit
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>>175583180
g43 was extremally prone to failing
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>>175606248
>Of course not
Thats quite the assumption you're making there anon, a severely erroneous one I would say.
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>>175606620
If they'd have seen tits they'd be able to paint tits.

I'm just making an assumption based off the evidence
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>>175606248
>Do you think the 18 year olds fighting that war had ever seen a pair of tits before?
I'd be baffled if I any of them didn't. Pron magazines were pretty widespread and as far as I know prostitution was pretty widespread.

>>175606836
>If they'd have seen tits they'd be able to paint tits.
I think it's merely a stylistic thing and a pretty shitty one at that.
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>all these people who haven't seen a female in their lives commenting on how breasts should look like
lmao
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>>175607748
I've seen my mum
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>>175608231
we've all seen her lad
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>>175608439
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>>175606615
Aren't you confusing it with the G41, which used a different gas impingement system which was bad to the point that only copying the SVT managed to make it usable?
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>>175608903
When did the yanks stop painting tits on their planes?
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>>175598335
Overpowered how? What's their lineup likely to be?
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>>175600546
>>175602721
>>175608903
>>175609115
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>tfw great grandfather was in the Scots Guards and then the 6th Airborne

Pretty spooky, but makes me want this game even more.
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>>175609546
>tfw don't even know what regiment my great grandad was in

I just know he was a crewman in a Valentine
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>>175608439
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>>175583482
It's pretty good
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>>175609497
Though I would fly the fuck out of a (badly painted) Urd F-4.
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>>175609648

You should try and find out, it's really interesting.
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>>175611691
I'll see if there's any of his army stuff laying about in my nan's
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>>175612062
>nans
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>>175612289
??
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a man of culture
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Anyone got other more modern nose art?
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>>175612883
>GAYnor

lol fags
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>>175599969
>Germans start off weak
>Literally just had a StuG III solo 2x Cmd Stuarts and 2x Shermans, simultaneously

Seriously having doubts about the balance/meta of the game. In the early game, Allies need to push max throttle because once phase B/C changes over you just get swamped in fucking Panthers, and the 76mm Shermans/M10s are fucking gutless. If you try to push at all with armour, you get hit with 210mm 109s (which aren't even CAS rockets, they're fucking air-to-air), Ju88 nukebomber or get fucked by trickshot Hs129s. Meanwhile fiddycal planes seem to be fairly impotent unless used in 3.
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What is the verdict on Tunisia


Good or bad?
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>>175615216
looks pretty shit to me honestly.
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>>175602460
how the fuck do you defeat this

I'll end up buying SD the second they add USSR but probably not until then 2bh
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Fuck Robz retarded update giving germans 2 overpowered factions while at the same time nerfing the allie
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>Tempted to get steel division
>remember the fucking autism that is wargame: red dragon for someone like me who's still kinda new/bad and the core playerbase

I mean we might get some paradox normies in but I dunno if dealing with the flood of wehraboos is going to be worth it.
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>>175621215
Its not worth it
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>>175621215
You just gave me a Silent Hunter craving. Too bad SH3 aged like shit and the so called free to play version of SH4 fried one of my hard drives.
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>>175620886
What are the factions now, i haven't played it in a while?
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>>175621215
If you arent an autist might as well stay away from wargames in general.
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>>175621812
Too late, I've already nuked oil platforms with a cessna in CMANO.
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>>175622727
>posting the wrong one
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I dislike that infantry individuals don't exist in SD44 game, and that infantry is just a vehicle with no armour and a set amount of health which is reduced.
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>>175622942
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>>175623427
Engine limitations.
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>>175623576
maybe they should update their engine to handle these things better, instead of better graphics.

I would be completely fine with EE graphics and have every engine upgrade be focused on making a more sophisticated combat mechanic.
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>>175623664
>completely fine with EE graphics

better than this cartoony shit
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>17 pounder spam
Hey, stop doing that
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I'm really noticing the Scotts lack of an infantry that excels at close range fights as of late. I can't compete with the German infantry when it comes to holding forests.
Guess that just means I should be playing the 2nd in some cases, but it just feels weird to get out-infantried so hard.
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>>175622942
Sick meme dude
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>>175631175
>OC is reddit now
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What was the Jagdpanther's armour in the clossed beta again?
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When will soviets be added? By December?
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marder is pak in cardboard box and it still works
then why are wolverines shit?
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>>175637434
Because most German tanks are laughably over-armored compared to real life. If you assume that 10mm gave 1 armour value ingame, the M4A1 would have 9 armour just as it does ingame.

Panther Bef would have 10 based on its 102mm turret it has 14 armour value ingame.

Stug IV should have 8 armour value ingame, it has 12.

Jagdpanzer IV should have 9 armour value ingame it has 14.

Jumbo and even M4A3 sherman should also be reduced by 2-3 armour by this logic by the way.
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>>175637937
The game doesn't simulate angling, face-hardened vs. rolled homogenous, welded vs. cast, etc. If you want that level of simulation you need to play something that isn't made by Eugen.
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>>175639682
Talking strictly LOS armour. I am also not going to go into crazy calculations regarding AP APC APBC APCBC.

Either way, Stug IV and Stug 3G should have basically the same armour, most of their hull is around 80mm of the same type of armour. So why does one have 50% more armour ingame?
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>>175609229
They should have the same lineup as Guards Armored, but with stronger early game, going by the description in game.
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>>175634121
15
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>>175643728
nice one thanks.
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>>175619742

I can't wait for them to add in my 30HE, 20 AP, 4km range artillery-fu
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>>175646474
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>>175646552
Nice off map assets you got there.
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>>175646724

Towards the end of the war the Soviets would use these things at almost point-blank range for bunker-busting, they'd absolutely be on-map arty.
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No really, in Steel Division what is the button to lock the camera to a unit? It's not listed in the Options.
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>>175647435
zoom on a unit with scroll
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>>175646724
Not sure why the a 203mm direct fire version couldn't be used, when the avre is already a 290mm direct fire weapon.
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>>175622942
>not scots as best division
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>>175627410
Scots infantry is cheap as shit and almost three times as cheap as German infantry for close to the same performance. They're a strong infantry division because of quantity not quality
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>>175627410
idk man, the scot's rifle sections have 2 SMGs and are only 20pts, they seem pretty great at cqc to me
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ayo, /wgg/ threads are back
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>>175650686
>Wolverines
>Good
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>Pilkington in the Brit div
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>>175650940
>Play Infantry Division
>Spam tanks
Scottish intelligence
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>>175651091
I don't know why Brit players just don't spam MMG carriers in Phase A and run roughshod over everyone.
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>>175623427

wtf is this true?
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>>175623427
>>175651401
Been like that way since Wargame EE, though SD is the best implementation of infantry we've seen so far by Eugen it could be better.
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>>175651485

But I've been playing EE and I can see infantry dudes.
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>>175651485

What's there to gain from simulating individual infantrymen rather than squads?
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>>175651510
You can see individual infantrymen in SD too
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>>175651510
Well yeah... no-one said otherwise?

>>175651520
Very little.
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>>175651520
1 man firing 7 Kar98 2 mp40s and an MG42
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>>175651636
Eugen could easily fix that if they weren't lazy fucks.

>"""engine limitations"""
It's your engine you idiots, that excuse doesn't work.
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Act of Aggression treated individual infantrymen as separate units in line with classic RTS gameplay, the engine is perfectly capable of doing it
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Are the Allies or Axis side favoured in Steel Division right now?
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>>175651887
desu i have just as much success playing either, though ofc axis teams fill up faster because
>muh superior german technoogy
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>>175651887
Allies because you play against wehrs.
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>>175651625

The guy said that infantry are represented by vehicles in SD.

Was he just being over the top?
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>>175652807
Infantry are less like vehicles in SD than any previous Wargame title.
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>>175652807

He means the squad is coded as if it's a vehicle, you have individual infantry models running around but htey're purely a graphical effect.
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Goddamit Eugen, who cares about your baguettes, give us Guards or Poles, or at last Canadians.

(Btw, anyone has a ToE for the 3rd Canadian ID in Normandy?)
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woah since when has /wgg/ been not dead (again)?
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>>175654064
Steel Division is literally saving vidya.

Also AT infantry is cheat
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>>175653346
http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/organization/fieldforces/casf/3rdivision.htm
There's a 1944/1945 Order of Battle for them on this webpage
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>>175654121
Can they one-shot the AVRE? My dudes get vaporised before they get near it usually
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>>175654736
They can one shot anything
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>https://joinsquad.com/readArticle?articleId=162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix9I5A3mivo

Surprise Squad update came out last night
>Mortars
>Mines
>IEDs
>M-ATV
>Better bullet penetration deflection
neato
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>>175654535
Thank you.
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>>175655124
No worries my lad
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>>175654849
Not a wargame
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>>175655910
Figured there's enough overlap here for it to be acceptable
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>>175655910
Eugen trash arent wargames either kiddo
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>>175656854
This general was created in the first place because of Eugen trash, newfag, the rest of the games are here only because they share some similarities with the Wargame series.
Squad shares absolutely nothing.
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>>175656854
They're much closer to wargames than just about any other rts.
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I like tanks.
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>>175656759
/r6g/ may or may not be transitioning into a tactical shooter general. Go try over there.
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Anime is trash
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>>175664132
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Combat Mission or Graviteam, lads?
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>>175664284
Gravimeme
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>>175662476
>>175664132
I love anime about tanks!

I hate AT infantry!
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>>175664459
faggot
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>>175664284
gravyteam
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>>175664284
Both
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>combat missions anti-steam autism
for what purpose
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2e DB will be extremely cancer and I'll start every match against them with 3 ATGs
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>>175665408
It'll be like the firefly except be worth taking in Phase A because it has HE
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>>175665408
They just have a shit ton of light armour right?
>AVRE noises
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>>175665881
>AVRE
>Against 2db
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>>175665175
$$$$$$ whilst not creating the greatest product
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>>175665881
Think Wolverines rather than half tracks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeDlxa3gyc

>101st AB phase A income
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>>175665513
And doesn't cost 200 points.
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Can we get a sequel/DLC with some of the really late war shit like Centurions, Pershings, Chaffees
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The 2in mortar carrier the Scots get is fucking shit
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>>175666825
Probably. But asking for sequels and fucking DLCs before the game is released is wrong.
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>>175667000
u fukn wot m8? It's great.
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>>175667056
What about asking Eugen to realse some interesting divisions apart from the fucking french who are OP already
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>>175667108
It's understandable and even encouraged, because fuck French memes, we want real armored divisions like GAD or 1DPanc.
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>>175667000
SHITTER ALERT

SHITTER ALERT
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Wow Wensday is tomarrow lads
Don't let it die
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>>175671979
But baguettes a shit.
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>>175647827
avre is mortar
though some howitzers can already do direct fire
like the ones luftlande has
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>>175672092
The day of the naziboos tears is tomarrow
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21st Panzer had no shortage of weird ass fucking vehicles...
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Nations you'd like to see in SD?

i'd like to see Sweden and Finland, Sweden because we don't see them in any ww2 game and Finland because they have bunch of captured stuff.
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>>175672982
You're mistaking it for Wargame: Red Dragon WW2
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Wasn't expecting the models to be perfect representations but holy shit someone really dropped the ball with the german AFVs.

This is what a stug IV is supposed to look like for example. I hope some of the current ones are just placeholders.
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>>175673429

It's supposed to be 2" tall?
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Do we have access to the campaign in SD yet or am I gonna have to wait a few weeks for it?
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>>175673429
Stug IV is confirmed placeholder.

The Lorraine SPG used to use the Wespe model, they're slowly updating them.
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>>175658889
Wrong, thus is and always has been a general for wargames and military simulations. Reddit tier Eugenfags have been the downfall of this general
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>>175672982
>sweden
>ww2
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>>175674441
Yeah, Eugenfags totally ruined this general, with out them it was doing so well not existing like before SD beta.
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>>175674929
That post really made me think
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>>175672662
WTF are the first two?

>>175672982
>Sweden because we don't see them in any ww2 game
Hmm, I wonder why.
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>>175674929
As someone who plays wargames that aren't Wargame, yeah I would just go shitpost in /hwg/ on /tg/. Strangely, when /wgg/ is active, /hwg/ threads are awesome.
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>>175675205
Good, I assume it doesn't happen often to you.
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>>175675395
Wow
Rude
I'm never agreeing with you again
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>>175675797
:(
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>>175673429
Shockingly this time they decided to fix wrong models instead of that retarded policy they had in Wargame (e.g. they found one picture of W-3U Salamandra showing its left side, and concluded the canon has been removed, because it's not where it was on the other Sokols, meanwhile the canon was just movies to the right side. The mistake was pointed out instantly, acknowledged, and ignored).

If you find any errors you should post on their forums, although they already know about the StuG.
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>>175676520

According to one of the marshals Eugen used to outsource their 3D modelling work to third parties. If they started making them in-house with SD it would explain the change in policy.
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>>175676520
Fuck, *cannon not canon.
Although that GSh-23L was definitely canon.
(And I fucked up the sides, it was originally on the right and moved to the left side)
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>>175676520
They were willing to do it in ALB but one single forum user so obsessively needled them about it that maddest mat lost his shit and declared no more model changes.
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>>175677061
>local autist ruins it for everybody
Every time...
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>>175677307
>madmat

yes
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>>175677061

Sometimes I try to imagine what MadMat was like in his previous life as a history teacher.
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>>175677061
That's not the whole truth.
They completely fucked up Soviet tank models in EE (don't remember if it was T-72 family, T-80 family or both), they decided to redo them for ALB. All nice and dandy. Except that they fucked up again and the models were still wrong.

So because they failed twice and instead of getting a golden star for effort they got got new requests to fix the still wrong models (some of them might have been a bit rude, but come on, they are proffesional game devs not 5 years olds) they decided to not correct their mistakes ever again.
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>>175674532
>>175675279
Well i guess Finland would only make sense but Sweden does have interesting equipment
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WG>SD
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>>175676696
They outsourced models for Wargame except the DLC which unsurprisingly has better models all around just compare the finnish Mi-8 to the other ones.

>>175678535
Nice meme, i bet an anime poster is behind this post.
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>>175658889
Doesn't change the fact that Eugene trash is just trash good only for one thing, keeping the general afloat for allowing actual humans to talk about actual wargames.
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>>175675279
The second looks like an UE2.
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>>175679752
Wow that post really tipped my Fedora
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Forgive me for any offense, but what did this thread think of Sov-Kor? Anyone upset that it's gone? Anyone HAPPY that it's gone?

Personally I had a good few themed decks in there (like one modeled after Gulf War Iraq) that I was kinda proud of and am kinda irked got deleted. Just wanted to know what this thread thought

have a Korean wearing dot camo anyway
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>>175681450
sovkor should've been this
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Where can i get Mius Front - Fall Blau fanmade missions ?
I would like to play something made by fans and i have no idea how to make missions myself :(
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>>175681450
It was a dumb addition. I'm glad it's gone, but I wish they had also undone the nerfs that it caused.
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I didn't see this posted, it's from their twitter.
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>>175667306
Muh unflappable Guards when?
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>>175664284
Combat Mission if you want to get into multiplayer
Graviteam if you have no friends
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>>175685643
>pre-order bonuses

Fuck, even niche wargames aren't free of that cancer ..
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>>175686026
>eugen shit
>niche wargame
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>>175673429
Does anyone know if they're going to fix the Churchills? There are so many errors at this point...
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>>175685643
????
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>>175673429
>We will never have autistic representations of early, mid and late production like in Combat Mission
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>>175686093
>wargame
>not niche

Nigguh plz
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>>175686026
What? It's just more content to the beta, you can cancel your pre-order anytime before the launch so you're not missing out on anything if you buy it.
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>>175686224
P-38?
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>>175685643
Another two weeks wait for just two fucking divisions, none of them will be GAD or Poles, and 8 divisions will be dropped at once at launch.
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>>175686370
But what about exclusive preorder skins for units and ringtones and forum avatars??!?!!!!!?!?!!
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>>175687256
It's a huge wasted opportunity to actually get some feedback on the full, intended game experience prior to launch.

Not that I expected Eugene to somehow recognize and take advantage of that.
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>>175686689
>Stuka
>Nose guns
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>>175687418
Literally doesn't matter.
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>>175686370
Pre order bonus is a form of psychological manipulation intended on forcing people to but shit without waiting for reviews and fans opinions.

Fuck you, fuck anyone who supports this shit and fuck any scummy developer who do this.
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>>175688103
>STOP TRYING TO SELL YOUR GAME REEEEEEEEE
wew lad
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>>175688103
You get to try out the game and you can cancel it at any time and get your money back i think every game should be like this.
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>>175688552
More like
>stop trying to trick people into buying your shit before it turns out that your game is garbage

you corporate shill.
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>>175688103
I played for 26 hours and had the game for a few weeks, refunded without an issue. Play it as much as you want and refund the day before release
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>>175688103
You can try the game and cancel your preorder at any time, this is the closest we're probably going to get to an actual demo in the modern vidya industry.

Pre-order bonuses are usually indicative of bad business practice, but think critically before you over generalise.
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>>175688918
>having sympathy for stupid people that buy shit they're not certain they want
Those stupid people make capitalism work for the rest of us lad.
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>>175686026
They're not pre order bonuses...
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>>175676520
All of the Bf109s have the wrong cockpits, they're all from the early E models. it's not even hard to fuck this up you have to be trying to.
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>/wgg/ discord
>nobody is playing wargames
lmao

Does anybody want to play MoW
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>>175690828
I hope you posted this on Eugen forums and don't expect the devs to fix errors you report on 4chan.
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>>175691027
We play quiet a bit actually. Check the play with me room and @everyone if your trying to find someone to play with.
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>>175688918
Good thing Eugen doesn't do that shit and you can actually try the game yourself instead of trusting reviewers, and you don't lose anything by not preordering.
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>>175691115
I honestly can't be fucked since I know they won't change it. Besides I forgot my login.
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>>175684990
If Sovkor was dumb, is NORAD also? Entente? Really strong nations that get even better by getting another nations stuff.

USSR is stuck by it self and that's kind of lame. Although honestly looking through the Korean shit, there really isn't anything they have that I'd take outside of being able to have another card of T-90's.

I would kill for an East German/Soviet coalition. Its be OP as fuck though because USSR's weakness is good cheap infantry and Mot.Schutzen are exactly that. Plus LSTR-40's supported by Spetznaz? My dick. Its be OP.
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>>175691381
They almost instantly fixed Firefly, said they are fixing StuG IV and command Panther.
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>>175690828
Whats the difference in the cockpits between the Emils and from F and onwards? I can't remember anything other than the noses off the top of my head.
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>>175691301
All you autists play is Steel Division
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>>175692148
And?
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>>175691793
They've got a more square appearance. Not noticeable while playing but when I see it in the battlegroup my inner autist starts screaming
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>>175692434
I see. Thanks, it's always nice to learn something new.
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>>175692434
Shall I make the post if you're unable to?
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>>175692148
Check the teamspeak those faggots play shit
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>>175692148
People play mowas. @ everyone in the play with me channel and find out for yourself.
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>>175692569
Yeah feel free. Wish I could find a better image of these osprey publishing scans sometimes.
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>>175693146
I think a screenshot of the in game model and that first illustration is more than enough
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>>175691581
Yeah, I agree that the USSR needs its own coalition at least. Personally I saw no harm in Sov-Kor, and the Strela-equipped tanks might have made it worth it.
You also got some tech NK had that the USSR didn't, like older Soviet tech, Chinese tech (Q-5 Fantans and APC's), as well as Yuckjeondae/Jeogockdae (cheaper NK Shock/Elites that could be used in the same role as standard infantry).
Honestly REDFOR needs the coalitions and Sov-Kor would've been a perfect one to ensure everyone on REDFOR got one.
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>tfw managed to win my first battle in Graviteam Dawn of Blau

Feels good even if it was a small skirmish and i lost two tigers..
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>>175691581
>Entente
yes, coalitions with two prime superheavies, super infantry and no significant weaknesses need to be dismantled; yugo should be a standalone nation
>NORAD
nowhere near the same level, but I wouldn't mind it gone if it means USA buffs
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>>175685643
Why won't they release the other divisions as well
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>>175694074
They're not ready probably and if they released everything now they wouldn't have anything for the actual launch except the single-player.
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>>175621215
>Worrying about Wehraboos in one of the few WW2 RTS games where you can harvest the maximum amount of their salt

If you don't try to man-mode their panthers with shermans and from long range you'll be fine. Krauts are only any good when they have long sightlines over open ground, or if you're dumb enough to give 91st Luftlande air dominance. As long as you bring artillery for smoke there's no reason you shouldn't be on at least equal footing with the krauts, if not an outright advantage.
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>>175569943

>carpiquet

Can't fucking wait to get my canuck division gunned down en masse just like in real life!
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>>175693623
>i lost two tigers
>in a small skirmish
How.
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>It's a '10v10 only shitters try to talk about balance in Steel Division' episode
Seriously, 12th SS is barely even playable in normal game modes unless your team is retarded. How do people have this much trouble against germans?
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>>175695620
>3ID us still a month away

why live
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>>175695716
>unless your team is retarded
Considering this you could easily forgive the impressions people get from 10v10.
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>>175693750
>USA buffs
why does it need them?
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>>175696353
I think it's more that you would think people had the intelligence to discern that maybe a 'le ebin huge battles with way more players than is reasonable for an RTS XDDD' game mode is probably not the place to go for balance, or even the intended gameplay experience in general.

DESU 10v10 is the worst fucking meme AirLand Battle ever introduced. It's probably singlehandedly responsible for killing a large chunk of the multiplayer community.
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>>175695687
Not everybody makes completely unbalanced games in the editor
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>>175693623
>lost two tigers
I don't think you won anything lad
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ROBZ SS UPDATE IS OUT

PREPARE FOR WEHRABOO OVERDRIVE IF YOU PLAY ROBZ
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>>175696604
It's fun if you want to just fuck around though. It's just sad that some people never move on.
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Robz has a new image for his mod instead of just a tank.

There are 4 images of German soldiers and the centerpiece is German.
Only non German thing is one image of Americans and one image of a T34
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>>175696481
no viable ifv -> not a viable deck
there's a lot of minor flaws that can be considered intentional weaknesses, but that one is very difficult and expensive to play around
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>>175697821
Super M60, MBT-70 are fine for facing IFVs, and your APCs are pretty much the best. Just overwhelm through Brownings.
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>>175698193
>MGs doing shit
maybe in SD desu.
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I'm trying to play Euro Escalation's campagign, I have a question about the Marder VTS: what's the point of it? It seems to be like a shittier Leopard 1A1, it costs the exact same but it has half its amount of ammo. Is the additional on road speed really that good to warrant using it instead of a Leo?
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>>175698193
Tanks are no substitute for IFV. You can't have every squad escorted by a 60pt tank, whereas the other guy can have every squad escorted by a 20pt TH-495, so relying on those forces you to play a lot more passively.

Plus they don't provide enough suppression for attacking, unless you want to buy multiples of this unit that's basically only good against IFVs. For that, CS is great. But it can't deal with IFVs either.
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>>175691027
I'll play MoW
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>>175654849
Mortars are fucking terrifying. Don't care that it's not a top down wargame, squad is very based.
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>>175698754
>You can't have every squad escorted by a 60pt tank
sure, but how many lanes are there on a map?
IFVs don't give your opponent the freedom to do everything, either. They can't efficiently take forests.

>suppression
5 point Brownings are great. MBT-70 is incredible in that role, too.
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>>175699972
>sure, but how many lanes are there on a map?
punjing has 3 lanes and like 10 possible angles of attack to cover; a typical opener leaves you with about 300pts to spend on tanks, and most of them should go toward stuff that can fight other tanks [which is why I prefer m8 over mbt-70 for the support role]

>>175699972
>5 point Brownings are great. MBT-70 is incredible in that role, too.
By suppression I mean for pushing across open field. If you try to "suppress" a town with mbt-70, best case your infantry gets slaughtered by worried SF, worst case your mbt-70 becomes ATGM food. Bring CS, and everything gets stunned. Brownings take too long to stun too and are shut down by eryx.
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>>175696604
When all the official servers run 10v10, new people will think 10v10 is the official game mode.
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>>175700598
buy ACAV then, rather than CS.
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>>175700924
You mean rather than a tank? It's an option but it only wins against autocannon if the other guy doesn't bring recon.

Look, I'm not looking for tips to play US, I've played plenty of it in ranked. Reliable IFVs alone make it worth dropping 5 activation points to go NORAD. It's very important. Not having them means the other guy can create threats to you for 30pts a pop and you have to overcommit every time in your response. People say that USSR is a deck whose high startup costs force it to play narrow, yet even USSR has GRU+BTR-90.

If US is to be viable as a national deck it should either get a capable IFV, or get most of its other smaller weaknesses fixed leaving IFVs as the only hole.
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>>175700924
In case you thought I'm dissing CS, by "everything gets stunned" I meant every enemy unit. CS is perfect for suppression. The deck's issue is in anti-IFV, there's plenty of good siege units.
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>>175698549
Pls respond
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>- Changed prices of all vet 5+ infantry (reduction
>SS faction is literally all vet infantry
Fuck robz holy shit lmao
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>>175703246
Does it have the same armor and AP? I'd expect more AP and less armor, making it suitable for ambushing expensive tanks and cleaning up harmless shit.
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>>175704296
It does have the same AP and accuracy, let me check. However I do remember that overall they're very similar, the really noticeable difference being more speed and less ammo.
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>>175704519
It's autoloaded in WRD so that's probably the case in EE too. It means morale doesn't affect it's fire rate. But test to be sure.
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>>175700768
Exactly, and 10v10 is the shittiest possible representation of the game.
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I cannot express how much I want the Guards Armoured Division.

I just want Sherman Vs and mech infantry.
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Do reconnaissance units in graviteam titles get any bonuses to spotting?

I find my armor is usually blind, so I just scout with infantry - are the scout cars any better? I'd assumed they'd be as blind as the infantry, and have just been treating them as mobile MG's. My current campaign has given me a reserve of like four 8 wheeler scouts, and a few SS halftrack recon units. I don't want to throw them away as a vanguard, unless they're good at their job.
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>>175705875
I just send my scouts into a place I might find enemies and that's it. If they have any other practical use i'll never know. I guess if they've got vehicles they're more mobile but that's it
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>>175706125
Yeah, that's how I've been treating them. Basically like shittier half-track squads / light tanks. It'd be neat if they had a bonus to spotting or something given that was their designed battlefield role (especially the recon squads with infantry attached), but I doubt one can see much from within.

At the very least, I guess I'd rather have an AT gun reveal itself while killing one of these, as opposed to a marder.
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>>175703739
RobZ argued with me for a long time about how Germans were superior in training, and after several hours of angry arguments and I had given him solid evidence for it wasn't so including a nice lecture by Jonathan M. House, RobZ decided that for gameplay reason Soviets = 2 exp and SS equals 5-7 exp, because it's different play styles and realism isn't important.

Same reason why he reduced the stats of PPSh-41 because it was actually flat out better than the MP40 so he removed the original realism from it.
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>>175706907
wehraboo genocide when
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>>175706907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I98P1AxQRUM
This the lecture?
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>>175707476
Yes! A great video, I linked the part where he talks about how many reserves each nation had, and i put it to RobZ that having 8 million reserve soldiers with actual training, probably meant that people who were put in the fight for a long time probably had more training than the raw recruits Germany had, which they had to train at emergency rate.
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Why would you take a machine gun team?
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>>175708716
The 2 star 2nd infantry are worth it imo. They pin enemy infantry extremely quickly.
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>>175654849
squad is honorary /wgg/
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>>175654849
Not to drag this conversation on or anything - but is Squad worth it?

I've had a ton of fun with ARMA (not with any 4ch related groups though, please don't get triggered and associate me with them) and Red Orchestra 2/RS/Insurgency in the past. Is Squad liable to be something I'd enjoy?

I usually steer as far as possible away from "early access" shit.
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>>175710112
Play Project Reality

Squad is just PR with less content and better graphics
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>>175709841

holy shit where did this come from??
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>>175710394
I really enjoyed the World War 2 mod for PR. Any idea if its dead?
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>>175710112
I personally love Squad. Its not as in depth as ARMA (yet, they are adding features non stop, with a full animation update that includes free look) but its advantage as that getting into a game takes seconds. Just join a server and go.

To enjoy ARMA you have to get a group, install 2000 mods, make sure everyone has those mods, and then play a scenario/mission that someone had to spend countless hours making.

Not to take anything away from ARMA because those are great, but in Squad you get a slightly less realistic gameplay style but there is no set up. Get in, join a squad, go.

/shill
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>>175710752
Which version of the mod? They re-did it and I don't think this new version is released yet.
>>
Speaking of Project Reality: what happened to the Arma version of it? Did it get completely abandoned in favor of Squad?
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>'''realism mods''' in MoW
Why do you people do this to yourselves? The only mod worth playing 'seriously' is world at war/valkyrie.

I don't know why you expect balance, or even intelligent game design, from people purposefully fucking up the core game mechanics and trying to get MoW to play in ways it was never designed or intended to play.
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>>175710394
Also gunplay that isn't total hamfisted dog shit because they tried to force crap on an engine that isn't built to handle it.

Honestly I can't even play PR anymore, it just plays like such shit by comparison. Losing out on some maps no one ever plays because they only cycle the same 3-4 maps over and over isn't a big loss. Hell, you don't even get to play like 90% of the content in PR anyway. Most of the vehicles/factions/maps are never in rotation or voted on in servers.
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>>175711840
Map votes instead of random rotation were a mistake
>Press a number to vote for a map!
>1.Jungle Map with UK and China
>2. Eastern Europe map with RU and Germany
>3. Another Jungle map with China and France
>4. OR MUTTRAH FUCKING CITY AGAIN
>4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
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>>175711619
you don't like any of the realism mods?
>how
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>>175712306
It pretty much kills multiplayer for anyone that doesn't like repetitive as fuck bullshit.

If it isn't Muttrah it's fucking Falklands.

>>175712539
I like having coherent gameplay that doesn't feel like it was slapped together by a 12 year old who just got done watching Girls und Pedo.
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>>175712627
I still haven't managed to play a single Falklands map since it's testing. At least people aren't allergic to vietnam maps.
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>>175712306
PR doesn't have a campaign like RO2?

Also
>play on servers with custom maps
>people vote fucking bridges/Spartanovka/Mamayev

>>175711510
Pls respond
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>>175705125
I don't think that autoloaders are portrayed in EE, but I found out something much better: you can reset your profile and get back all of the combat stars you unlocked, which saved my ass because I basically wasted some combat stars, and I didn't have any tanks suited for playing Ramstein Airbase, at least with decent availability. Resetting stars should also address the complains someone was making on earlier threads about not being able to complete some secondary objectives in the soviet campaign.
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>>175710617
>http://joinsquad.com/readArticle?articleId=163
recap thing released today
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>>175714590
That feel when was playing Bridges back when it was an in development map. Guy who made it used to play on our server.

There was a time before it had tanks. It was suffering. A shame tripwire fucked up the official version of it by messing with the forest caps (need to hold both simultaneously). The version that the map creator reckons is the best has them slightly different (once it's capped, it's capped, plus an extra radio for attackers), and the map runs so much better. At the least, it doesn't devolve into 45 minutes of fucking around in the forest.

Our server went awhile without map voting, because it was just too repetitive.

>>175712306
>>175712627
I just don't understand this shit either. It's CS tier, like, a map can be good, but it doesn't have to be the ONLY FUCKING MAP YOU EVER PLAY. I'll never understand it. It's like wehraboos who refuse to play anything else, even if they're absolute shit.
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>>175715439
The fact that the caps in the forest are permanent sounds nice, if only more servers ran custom maps in the campaign.

Also map voting is one of the reasons why I don't play RO2 during daytime: the euro english speaking community is pure fucking trash (nobody talks, no coordination whatsoever, shitters that play as TLs don't get kicked) and the russian servers always play the same handful of maps because of map voting, and I can't seem to find the only server that ran a campaign anymore.
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>when the booty reveals itself
:D:DD
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Why would I use a Buratino when I could use an Uragan that can shoot from across the world and stay safe, and provide more or less the same stun/panic?

Is it because the Buratino deny's access to that area as well as panicking the fuck out of them? Because they seem to have the same suppression stat.

I just don't like how close a 140 point MRLS system has to get to the front line.
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>>175720651
Three things. First, the Buratino's napalm forcibly dislodges units rather than simply stunning them in place. Second, the Buratino hits much more quickly than the Uragan, allowing basically no time for the enemy to move units out of the probable target zone. Third, a Buratino has 30 rockets (which you can manually separate into two volleys of 15) rather than only 18.

Remember that your 140 point MLRS has the armor of a fucking tank.
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>Soviet pilots
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>>175721409
whoops
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>>175721545
Leave my IL2 and T-70 alone
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>Tank Warfare Tunisia doesn't have Tigers in custom battle.

I just wanted to kill Shermans
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>>175723538
I never understood why anyone would pay so much for such a tiny front with basically no variation.
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>>175723538
they might patch them in
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https://ww2-weapons.com/category/reports/war-games/review/war-thunder/

Please take a look at this guy, who was used as a source on the on the paradox forum. And tell me how hard to cringed as you scrolled down to the bottom of this page.
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>>175722125
Never.
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>>175726014
bully
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>>175725717
There you go
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>>175725717
That paradox forum guy
>aussie but has 1776 and 1911 in his username
>war thunder is a sim

I guess they are shitposters everywhere
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UPDATE WHEN? IT'S WEDNESDAY
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so I told this StuG to save my company and solo a tank platoon and he actually did it the absolute madman
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wasn't this game supposed to be more popular? what happened to 'le paradox audience meme'
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>>175731494
paradox audience remains paradox audience
you cannot make gay marriages in your papal kingdoms here

also whens update?
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>>175672227
i'm gunna rape you with my Tiger I.
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>>175731035
how realistic.
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>>175732748
some people said around 12-13 central european time.
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>>175732952
Slavaboos will never recover
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>>175734889
we'll just have to play more realistic games!
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
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>>175735584
>playing steel divismeme

kys
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>>175736414
Would you rather play something else comrade?
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>>175735584
no one even tries to hold the open areas in the middle
just hiding away from the superior nazi tanks
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>>175737238
I was holding around 50% of the map, the right bottom on the minimap, one guy was holding the center, which is pushed in, but he left because he lost his jumbo. I was too busy to notice until that point, that our last guy, had spend the entire game on that little sliver of land. And I was given everything from the river to the bottom of the map. Then he asked me to hold the line better.
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>>175737385
colombelles will be unbalanced until allies get fireflies
or anything with passable gun aside from challenger
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>>175736414
>playing meme dragon
kys
>>
The next division will be in two weeks, and I bet it will be airborne for allies, because we have two ID and two AD.

AND 6TH AB WAS IN CLOSED BETA, EUGEN WHAT THE FUCK WHY ARE WE WAITING FOR IT LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING NEW AND INTERESTING
That means we have to wait a month for actually interesting Allied divisions, meaning GAD, Poles and Canadians. And despite this whole beta stuff, all those OP divisions will be dropped at once at poor wehrs with no testing or balancing.
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>>175737904
eugen knows all about your refunding plans
so all the fun stuff comes after no refunds
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>>175737904
In order to keep wehrs interested, you have to wait with the only divisions who in eugen's mind was able to deal with German armour. Despite the fact of course that every single allied division did fine against German armour.
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>>175737545
What can Firelfy do that the Challenger can't? Big cats will pop both no problem and Challengers are cheaper.
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>>175737997
memefly can take shots from pak36
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>>175695687
>>175696731
Well i just kinda charged with my 8 Tigers against ~20 Soviet tanks through open field..
Give me a breal, i have no idea how to play this thing yet .:)
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>>175738719
You did well anon, this is the favourite tactic of the fanous Tiger ace Wittmann, and you pulled it off better than him.
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>>175738848
Well thank you.
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>>175737238
>>175737545
>Broke through the center of Colombelles last night against 12 and 17 SS as 15 Scots with 3AD on my left

Massed 25lbers are a hell of a thing.
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>mfw when /warthunder general/ dies while /wgg/ lives.
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Are flamethrowers worth it in EE?

Also what kind of variant of quality and quantity should one use? Utter shit tanks like Leopard 1A1s plus unicorns like the Leo2 or Pattons + RISE Pattons?
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>>175736414
>Red Dragon
>Non-stop quitters, perma 10v10 shitters, and cheese rushers

At least in Steel Division I can actually get a normal game going in a reasonable amount of time because the gameplay isn't dogshit.
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>>175737904
>>175737995
It's not like it's particularly hard to deal with axis armor in the first place

Unless of course you're playing 10v10 and thus bringing panther spam upon yourself.
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>>175740424
Nah, they aren't anywhere near as useful as they are in Steel Division because they're static weapons and do less damage/suppression anyhow. They straight up lose to all those special snowflake napalm launchers like the chinks and ivans get.
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>>175740604
>chinks
>EE
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>>175740662
Oh. EE.

Actually, you're in luck, ulike all the games that followed, flamethrowers, engineer tanks, and support vehicles in general are way more fucking useful, balanced, and relevant to the core gameplay. Flamethrowers in particular don't block their own fucking LOS in EE, and can also be used as indirect weapons so you can bathe a general area instead of just using it like some high-suppression machine gun that can only fire once or twice before becoming useless or eating infantry-AT.

Honestly, if EE didn't have the stupid unlock progression bullshit I don't think people would really play the other ones. EE was way more solid in game mechanics and balance.
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WHEN'S THE UPDATE COMING OUT
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>>175737997
Phase B tank, very important
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>>175740926

If I remember correctly EE had the minor detail that persistent flames were a purely graphical effect and didn't have any impact on units in and around them, it was only AB that introduced the idea of actual napalm creating area denial zones.
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>>175741556
I can't remember if that was the case, but even if it was, that's hardly a problem when you could use a flamethrower like an actual hose that shoots fire. It also hit much harder and was more likely to outright kill squads instead of just forcing them to move.
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>>175740604
They're actually useful in Steel Division? Thought they're big meme units like off-map artillery
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>>175741741
Neither of those are anywhere remotely near meme-units in any possible respect, and certain battlegroups are outright built around the competent use of either.

Are you playing 10v10 or something? Stop that.
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>>175739917
Warthunder is an example of game getting worse the more time devs put in it.
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>>175740926
>can also be used as indirect weapons
I'm pretty sure that got "fixed" at some point.
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>>175742016
Nah, that wasn't changed until halfway during ALB because it broke up the trench warfare bullshit of just zerging infantry into towns. Same with the engineer tanks. All the new people that bought the game because there was an A-10 on the cover couldn't possibly fathom how to deal with flamethrowers mounted on thin-skinned vehicles largely helpless against any kind of actual return fire, so they cried until the units were reworked, like they did with the artillery, which EE also handled way better.
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>>175735584
>that model enlargement
>HATO Symbols
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>>175742732
>not crushing houses with your churchills
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im not really sure what im supposed to do about this

also >us infantry with no AT
???
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>>175742732
>HATO
Kill yourself.
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>>175743167
that's a big churchill
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>>175743851
U U

U U
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>>175720651
They aren't quite the same, burrito is more accurate. The napalm is a double-edged sword since it makes pushing into the area harder.

That said the main advantage of the burrito is that people have internalized the idea of splitting its salvos. You only need 6-7 rockets to panic an area and so it's very common to get 2-4 strikes without a reload time. Nobody does that with uragan, but the meta is constantly evolving - it could just be that nobody good has tried it and it's just undiscovered, so if it works for you use it.
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>>175743996
Is that a crude editor?
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>>175741741
Flamethrowers and off map arty are fucking amazing.
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Where would I go if I wanted to play arma? Since a3g seems to be dead and I have no friends to play with.
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>>175744312
It's a crude armory browser
http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=59265
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>>175744337
/k/ or some clan.
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>>175744367
Have you tried using this on SD44 it would be interesting to see if it worked.
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>>175744431
It doesn't work, the ndfs are structured a bit differently. The code can be adjusted to work with it but I'm not interested in SD yet. You can browse SD files with the mod tools though, just more inconvenient.
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>>175744614
I am still pretty annoyed that they said they were going to make mod tools, and then link us to notepad++
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>>175742195
I'm pretty sure that it got changed in EE too, as flame tanks now require LOS.
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>>175744886
Then that's a retro-active change after they did it in ALB. I still remember the shitstorm it caused when they first did it and basically broke the fucking multiplayer, and left it broke well into RD(Though at least in RD they gave artillery some of it's punch back, but only if you pick the snowflake ones that fuck with gameplay by being usable from long distances.).

I don't know why they had to fuck with it at all in the first place. Shit was perfect in EE and I'm glad they pretty much went right back to that type of artillery for Steel Division. Flame units are still a bit nerfed but still way more useful than their post-rework form in wargame since they can be fired on the move now and infantry play in general has a lot more depth and control.
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So, which "long-expected feature" do you expect Eugen to release "in the coming days"?
MM? Spectator? Armory? French bias?
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>>175745530
i expect nothing but disappointment and french bias
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>>175745530
Off map carpet bombing?
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WHERES THE UPDATE
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>>175745530
fanaticism, SS troops can no longer be panicked.
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>>175746243
be patient mon ami we have only started our 3rd lunch hon hon
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>>175746393
2e DB will be cancer
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>>175746393
can the french ever do anything right
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>>175746532
Meh, they seem like they can be countered pretty easily by 91st, or intelligent autocannon placement from the other two battlegroups on axis.
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>>175746532
>tfw only play Allies
No need for me to worry
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>>175746725
Baguettes will laugh at you for not using the most OP division.
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>>175746590

Not when they're too busy getting massages sensuels in the club across the street from the office.
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Hmm, i am the community manager, and I am in a thread where people ask the simple question of whether this maintenance is before the upload of the update. I could quite simply say yes or no, if i was too busy to explain when exactly the update would be. But then again i am French and typing 2-3 letters extra is a lot of effort for someone who's job it is to inform people.

>Thread locked, maintenance over.
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>>175746759
>OP division
They seem 'alright' at best. I mean, fucking smoke-bombers and their line infantry doesn't even get AT. They'll get fucking smoked by autocannons and air power. 91st and 12th SS will have a field day with them unless you completely fuck up phase A
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>tiger II
>le "I get more and better american 76mms in phase A than 3AD gets for the whole game"
looks like the game will finally be balanced today
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>>175747130
Have they even shown the availability roster? I have a hard time believing this.
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>>175747192
I'm half exaggerating, but M10s aren't fucking horribly overpriced like M4A3(76)s, and le baguettes get ~4 of them in A.
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>>175747384
Keep in mind that they've said on stream that what they were showing an older build, I think they've said M10 will be one per card in A or something like that.
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>>175747384
Depending on their AT gun quality/availabilty, I'm actually fine with this. an M10 is way easier to deal with, especially if it has no vet. They can't hide in hedgerows, can't be anywhere near enemy AT guns, and are open-topped which makes them a lot more vulnerable to artillery and air power.
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At what time did they release the previous update?
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>>175747559
>>175747571
alright, fair enough

I'm still just mad that 3AD arbitrarily doesn't get wolverines
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>>175747659
I think it was pretty early, I'd bet on 1-4 hours from now
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>>175747736
It's stupid as fuck, but at least you get the best transports allies have access too currently. 3AD can do a lot with a little in phase A as is.
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>>175747659
give it 5 hours more.
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>>175747826
>French working at 19:00
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>>175748005
The French are a very intelligent people. Unpaid overtime should be tracked and penentrated by several 3 inch cannons all at the same time in multiple holes.
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>>175748005
Valve updates the download servers of steam. Not Eugen. If you couldn't guess that.
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>>175748005

>Game releases in less than 3 weeks
>"Crunch? Lol, what's that?"
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>>175749119
>France
>Work Ethic
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>>175748898
Useful info, but for DLCs, not patches, famlad. Patches can be released at any time, the last big update was released about 14:00 CEST.
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Please fucking stop this ! French people do not are lazy fuck you !!!!!!!!
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>>175749798
For fucks sake you are supposed to be working on that fucking update.
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>>175749119
>>175748005
Someone has to work for Ahmeds and Fatima social..
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Eugeeennn!
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Red Dragon is *just* complicated enough to make every idiot that plays it think of himself as some kind of tactical genius who only plays hardcore realistic games and is above everyone else.

Prove me wrong.
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>2 new maps
Well at least it'll be worth it.

*stunlocks your KT*
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>>175752814
Red Dragon is just cringe worthy because of the nationalism, delusional people with no self awareness including tactical, and the unfun way they balanced the game with no imagination or methodology, just pandering to a vocal few, while ignoring glaring problems and useless units.
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>>175752814
not an argument
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>>175752904
>just pandering to a vocal few
Reminder that Eugen only listen to the community if you format your feedback as a hamfisted meme and get hundreds of updoots on reddit.
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>>175752814
It's only going to get worse in Steel Division because it's a WW2 game, which cranks the autism up by 300%. Enjoy the current climate of the community while it's still vaguely civilized.

Sticking to this lobby meme instead of having matchmaking replace it like any decent modern RTS does was the biggest mistake of Steel Division. Players shouldn't be able to cherry pick their opponents, leavers should be punished, and match setup times shouldn't be artificially long as fuck because of custom match settings for special snowflakes that can't handle the base game and need way more(Or less) resources than intended.

Honestly it's because they're lazy as fuck, but hopefully quick match isn't dead as fuck like it is in wargame, and hopefully it supports playing with friends.
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>>175753160
pls no

Honestly can't believe they kept the lobby system, how fucking dumb can you get.
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GAD When?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKROVhDb8Gc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hd9m-6myvU
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>>175753258
Same. It was the single dumbest possible fucking decision they could have made for the long term survivability of the game. There's plenty enough players online even during the beta to support matchmaking, and a lot more people are inclined to keep playing regularly if you have a system like CoH2 that is hands off and gets you playing within a few minutes even in 4v4 without you having to hunt down lobbies and deal with a bunch of cherry picking bullshit.
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>>175753553
buuuuuttt muuuuuuuuuhhhhhh taacticals!!!

REEEE

I WANT TO JUST MICRO 4 UNITS INSTEAD OF PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME
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>>175753650
And they can do that.

In private fucking lobbies with friends only, Eugen. Incompetent frogs. They run their multiplayer games like it's still fucking 2001, but don't even get full blown modding like games of the era did.

They literally took all the worst parts of RTS gaming of the past and none of the good parts.
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>>175753828
To be fair. They are French.

Its generally what they do.
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>>175753745
Was there really even a reason to classify one of the new maps today? It's not like we even get to see a picture of it before it goes live anyway, and almost no one knows where the fuck any of the towns and shit are or what they look like unless they are frogs or going full autism to dig up aerial shots of the area during 1944.
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>>175753940
Probably because it's that airfield map from the closed beta.
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>>175754056
Carpiquet?
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>>175754056
I don't it will be, but I'd fucking love that.
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>>175754056
>>175754332
>>175754370
Or a new 10v10.
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>>175754423
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>>175754423
They're shipping with a single 10v10 on release I think.

They've said 15 maps, and there are 14 in the map selection list - which doesn't include 10v10 maps.
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>>175754423
Don't even fucking joke like that.
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Still no sight of the meme division?
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>>175753940
>going full autism to dig up aerial shots of the area during 1944
That's how they made the SD maps in the first place
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>That inf availability
>That inf price
>Nueve don't even get AT
Hahaha jesus, people were fear mongering for nothing, this battlegroup will get it's shit kicked in by 91st and 17th no problem unless you're retarded.
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>>175754712
That makes sense for devs, not so much for players on a map that's releasing the same day.
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>>175754791
13AP is best gun they get
when nazis get infinite panthers
Im pretty sure their artillery tab was piece of shit too
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>>175755131
Honestly the only thing that pops out at me is how many cheap ass spitfires they get. Once you mitigate or get rid of them though, HS's are going to tear this battlegroup a new asshole.
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>>175754791
how can that price be justified for any unit without AT? Are they ninjas that oneshot enemy squads and also ride in battle on t-34?
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>>175755293
flight from madrid costs
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>>175755293
Its basically a us rifle squad with mg42 instead of bars and they come in a 20pt halftrack.
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>>175755293
Nah, it's basically a bootleg Ranger Support squad, but with a halftrack. Except shittier availability, and the bulk of your price is for the vehicle they come in. Not really worth it at all, IMO, if they get used offensively like the deck is designed to be in phase A they'll get pinned by a Fallschirmjager squad all the same, and their low body count will get them shit on by any sort of support weapon like an autocannon or IG.
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>>175754791
>>175755293
>>175755513

Don't forget that they get 105 points per min in phase A. so the price sort of averages out for the usual price of a vet infantry squad with APC
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>>175755513
>Free French forces flying from Naionalist Spain
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>>175755606
Yeah but the main problem here is that they still start with 500 points like everyone else, and have pretty much no cheap units. Their frontline presence is going to be shit at the start, and they have to make their starting force really count in the first engagement. If they get bumped by a well placed AT gun, or hit hard by air or artillery early on, they're fucked and will get forced into constantly being stuck on offense for the rest of the game.
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>>175753160
There's going to be no matchmaking in Steel Division? That's a disappointment
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>>175756578
There 'is' but it's just ranked like in Wargame.
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>>175756320
>spending all your funbuks on a 50 ton shitbox and having to watch it take most of the match to reach the front line just to watch it get shit on by some hillbilly in a P-47

Should have listened to Guderian and parked the things on the beach.
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>>175756620
Sorry I never played Wargame, but a ranked queue sounds exactly what I want
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>>175754791
even with the small number of overpriced infantry, they could be pretty okay outside of 1v1s. could be able to pull an open-ground stuart/M10/M8/mobile bofors rush, and maybe that'll work when you're not 3AD and don't have 65 income.

and by the way, nueve are likely 20 for the half-track +40 for the infantry. luftlande's elites are 45 points, so they're probably about equivalent to that minus the AT.
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>>175756859
Yeah except falls aren't 6 man squads like nueve. They'll get trounced by any sort of focus fire, and outright killed if they aren't quickly retreated.
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>>175757002
Good, that's what they get for being the original antifa shabbos goyim.
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2 strength flamethrower units usable or do they get suppressed fast?
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>>175756693
The problem with ranked in wargame was that it was only for 1v1 and 2v2, and that it was presented in such a way that most people were scared away from using it.
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>>175757970
whats so scary about 1v1?
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Eugen is lazy.
Post history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzgCSuUDd4
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>>175748005
1 hour and 20 minutes left until my prediction is going to be spot on.
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>>175758093
It was tucked away in a background button that presented it as a secondary mode (as opposed to the primary mode of lobbies). It was named "ranked" as opposed to something like "automatch", marking it as a mode for experienced players. Starting was also not intuitive since it put you in something that looks like a lobby where you're waiting for an opponent, but you actually had to "launch" by yourself before it will start searching.
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>>175757803
I don't like them, I think they're too expensive for something that dies in a literal instant if it's targeted by anything outside of 100m or sneezed at by a mortar. In 2ID especially there's absolutely no reason to take one instead of ranger assaults, unless you really, really want more than 6 flamethrowers, or flamethrowers that don't use an infantry slot.

In luftlande they might make sense, especially since they come out earlier than sturmpioniers, have the airborne bonus, and luftlande has only FSJs otherwise for offensive phase A infantry.
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patch notes: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/sd44-new-patch-79074.1018891/
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>Mont Ormel
>still no Poles

Eugeeeeeeenn!
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patch scheduled for 1 hour, 17 mins from now., check Steam.
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>>175759778
Literally downloading now
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>>175759905
reeeeeeeee
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>Sherman tanks' aim time reduced to represent their gyrostabilizer (same change will be added to Stuart in a next patch)

HOLY SHIT THEY DID IT
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>>175759974
they sure did

15th also got half a dozen nerfs
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>>175759974
>17-pdr towed gun's HE rounds removed

What did Eugen mean by this?
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KITAAAAAAAAA
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>>175759593
>Tanks' hull & turret rotation's speeds tweaked to model them better. (Panzer IV J, Panther D and Wolverine had very slow turret rotation speed)

wow, okay that's pretty nice
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>>175760306
Yeah, that's strange, it wasn't a good shell but it existed.
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>>175759593
>Tanks' hull & turret rotation's speeds tweaked to model them better. (Panzer IV J, Panther D and Wolverine had very slow turret rotation speed)
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>>175760538
I'm sceptical untill I see it myself, but this combined with Sherman aim time buff sounds very nice.
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>>175759778
when steam schedules an update, that's local, the update is available. you can just tell it to download right away.

>>175760750
>American-made 76.2mm gun accuracy increased from 5 to 6 (Wolverine, Sherman 76, M1 76mm AT gun)
there's that too, at least
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>phase A pak43
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>French get captured MG42s
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>>175755732
Nueve was the nickname given to the 9th Company of Regiment de marche du Tchad as it was mainly (146 for a total of ~160) made of Spanish Republican.
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>this patch

Is Eugen exacting revenge for Agincourt through SD?
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>Panzergrenadier's double Leichtes MG42's firepower increased to match the firepower of two individual l.MG42
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hello sailor
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This REALLY made me THINK
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>>175762243
>muh 3AD
dongs pls
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SEIG
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>>175762179
FFS Eugen, why do you keep doing that, stop.
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>>175762243
is balance you know ))))))))))
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Which fucking cunt is responsible for these 15th changes?
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>>175762243
Lend-lease makes everything cheap :^)))))
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>>175762243
>I don't understand how economy and deckbuilding work in SD
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>>175762434
Me
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>>175762243
>exact same unit
>french get more of it
>french are vetted
>french are cheaper
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>>175761887
>Eugen forgetting the Audl Alliance and that they like haggisniggers
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>>175762328
Less armour than fucking Jumbo, kek.
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COLLEVILLE IS LITERALLY SWORD CUT DOWN TO 10V10 GOTT STRAFF FRANCE
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>>175762458
>French get better economy than America in A
>BEDDER MAKE THE SCOUT CAR CHEAPER FOR BALANSE ))))))))))))))))))
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the fuck is this thing

>>175762619
what's wrong with that?
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Is this patch confirmed for shitshow then?

I mean we'd be calling them full on wehraboos as well as francoboos if RobZ wasn't trying his hardest to be retarded with his patch too.
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>>175762243
Literally shaking
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Reminder that each French soldier is worth THREE to THREE AND A HALF other men.
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PHASE A KATYUSHKA ALERT
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>>175762778
one of those is a fiddy you dope
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>>175757803
I've yet to find a situation where they were any better than much larger engineer squads. They can't take any fire in CQB or they just die/pin instantly, making them less suitable for, well, the entire concept of using a flamethrower. I suspect they'll be bumped up to at least 4 people in the squad eventually, I've yet to see them successfully employed in their current form. Why ever bother when you can have stumrpios or rangers? Sure you might save an infantry slot but chances are if you're getting flame inf in infantry slots you've already used up most if not all of your line infantry cards.
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>>175762798
>5HE
USELESS
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Why do the French get an anti-infantry AND anti-tank unit?
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>>175762732
nothing desu, it's just a bit lazy
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They did it again, the absolute madmen.
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>>175761509
To be fair, if you're using recon like you're supposed to be doing, all pak 43's end up being is a 'press to make wehraboo ragequit in phase A' button once you grab a mortar or plane.
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new map is giving me ALB flashbacks
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>>175762983
B I A S
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>>175762958
>30somthing rounds
>low spread
NOT USELESS
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>>175762179
>Randomly gets better stats than allied shermans
Why does every WW2 game meme the fuck out of German soldiers?
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>>175762646
They are supposed to reck Phase A so they get cheap stuff and a lot of rubles, as simple as that.
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>>175762328
T H R E E
H
R
E
E

And they're all veterans too, FFS. At least they're 350 points, and almost guaranteed to single-handedly cause a ragequit the moment sneaky marauders pop it before it is able to get a shot off.
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>>175763229
>They're supposed to be OP
>So lets make them win every game by wrecking in A and holding it all game
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>>175762798
>5 he
>12 rounds a minute
You literally do more suppression with rifles in certain squads.
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>>175763152
>>175763152
You don't understand how HE works in wargame, HE is exponential so 2x5HE is a lot less than 10HE this is why the nebelwerfer 42 is so powerful because it has 30HE
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>Hill 262
>No Poles

Why Eugen?
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>>175763348
who are you quoting?
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>>175763697
Eugen.
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>>175763115
Woah, this actually kinda sorta looks like Hill 262. Now I need my Poles.
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I hope your anti tank is full of Wolverines.
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>"the French are here to make allies competitive again" t. Eugen
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>Had hope that Eugen might be competent this time round
>Same shit different day

Thinking about refunding desu
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>>175764145
it looks a solid patch desu, I have a hunch the frogs will just run out of units halfway though the game
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>>175764241
>it looks a solid patch desu,
>>
>AVRE down to 15 armor
F
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>>175764316
>gyrostabs for shermans
>increased acc on 76mm M4A3
>german turrets now take an year to rotate

I'll take my chances
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>>175764535
>Brits get nerfed to fuck needlessly
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>>175764650
bizzare move that was
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>>175764535

"drives around the rear of your tiger"
"stabilizes and loads shell"

heh nothing personnel kid
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>>175764650
They no longer have the USSR to bully.
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POST
DECKNAMES
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Can we all agree Scots are now low tier?
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We'll get our revenge, you French fucks. Just you fucking wait.

I'm going to make Dresden look like a kitchen fire.
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>>175764650
Well with no slavs in the game the French must take out their centuries old vendetta against the UK by listening to whiny ass 10v10 wehraboos.

My head hurts every time I have to see a post bitching about tripostens. Like, nigger, just don't fly your fucking bombers into a crowd of tripostens, like, just use your fucking bullshit artillery, like, call in a schwimwaggon and call in your meme as fuck 210mm off-map bullcrap.
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*blocks your path*
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>>175764332
>adding ~20mm of tracks somehow makes my tank frontally immune to all but 88s
>18 armor value on a tank with an unsloped 100mm plate is ok

the armor values in game are inconsistent and nonsensical but I think the AVRE was the worst offender.
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>Humber Mk.3's BESA 15mm MG AP removed, suppression increased to be slightly higher than .50 cal

But it literally only fires FUCKING ARMOUR PIECING

I can penetrate most of the light vehicles in game.
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>I hope you don't support these nerfs, Anon.
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>>175765373
>the french are trying to be nutty
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>>175765263
>I can penetrate most of the light vehicles in game.

L-lewd, anon.
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>>175765631
3rd armoured would be great if they got these prices.

Do they pay an American tax or something?
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>21st panzer gets a not-AVRE
>That's cheaper
>And has almost twice the range
>Only sacrifices a measly 5 HE, still has more than enough to one-shot any infantry squad, AT gun, or weapons crew it nails, along with light vehicles.

Every WW2 RTS in a fucking nutshell.
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>>175765098
I can't even find tripolstens in British TO&Es
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>>175765879
Import tax. Have to pay it on the shores of Normandy.
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>>175765879
Non-French, untermensch existence tax*
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>>175765879
They pay a HON tax.
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>>175765879

I AIN'T GONNA FORGIVE THIS.

AIN'T GONNA FORGIVE.
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Lend lease was a mistake
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>>175765879
>They get cheaper M8's with higher vet and greater availability
>They get better rangers that even come in a halftrack
>They get better tanks than an american armored division
Fucking Eugen literally cannot resist the urge to have their blatant bias hung out to show to the world as if no one will notice.
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So what's the best Combat Mission game
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>>175766707
>They get better tanks than an american armored division
What?
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>>175766707
>Americucks
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>>175767047
>Recon stuarts
>M10's
>Their 75W's are cheaper for some fucking reason and have greater availability per card
>Elite Easy 8's
>Elite 105's
>M8's are cheaper, higher vet, and greater availability in recon tab
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Holy fuck the 21st Panzer phase A rocket arty haftrack has a volley of 48 rockets.
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>free french have more shermans than the fucking American Armored Division

balance
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>>175767548
M8 is not a tank, neither is M10 and Easy 8 is not even in game. They have like three (76)W in total and don't have the best US tank, the Jumbo, which Eugen granted americoocks despite it being completely ahistorical.
>>
Where is update?
>>
Friendly reminder to complain to parajews not eugen.

Hit them where it hurts.
>>
>tiger finally rolls out
>lose
each deployed king tiger should add at least 500 to your point cap
>>
Quick-play doesn't let you set anything for Axis v. Allies, or Allies v. Allies, or Axis v. Axis.
Kind of annoying.
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>>175768648
respectfully disagree
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>>175767872
>Jumbo
>Best US tank
10v10 shitter detected.
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>>175766707
>>175765879
Spearhead gets 150 points in cat C, it's that price to counterbalance their none existent ramp up.
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>>175769667
I know that's the theory, but in practice spearhead badly needs reasonably priced shermans
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>>175769790
Spearhead needs better infantry I think more than anything, it needs to hold out slightly better during phase A. It starts to feel the pain less in Phase B anyway.
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>>175769557
>French bias
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>>175769557

did the wehraboo rage quit?
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>>175654849
Fuck off. Go create your own general.
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Will we get Marine and Japan packs sometime?
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>rolling bofors
>phase A wolverines that can take out any vehicle till phase C
>shermans
yeah im refunding this shit
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>>175771313
>ameritards justifying warcrimes

LMAO

eastern front or eugene gets glassed
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>>175771617
t. wehraboo who lost his king kong tiger
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>all these buttblasted wehraboos
Wow. This patch more butthurt then I thought. I can just image the manchildren now slamming their keyboard against their desk screaming IM REFUNDING THIS PEICE OF SHIT as their king tiger gets killed by a base Sherman.
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>>175772105
t. cuck old who will buy multiple DLCs from his swedish overlord.
I take it you didn't play red dragon before they nerfed the french militia?
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>the French are supposed to """""""""""fall off""""""""
>have the best equipment the US has to offer from A to C
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>>175772052
>Implying they were warcrimes

Nobody got prosecuted for them. They were a natural escalation of the strategic bombing campaign. It's the same reason Donitz didn't get charged for warcrimes for the submarine campaign - the allies did the same.
>>
What names do you pick for your battlegroups? I used to name everything in previous games after actual divisions. But now they're the actual divisions and I have no idea what to do.
>>
>>175774536
Theme names.

Kurwa! was my go too for polish names
PACT PRIDE WORLD WIDE was my E-bloc deck.
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>>175774536
there's not a lot of reason to build more than 1-2 decks for each division, so I just name stuff "15th Infantry 1v1" or whatever
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>>175774536
i name them after girls

my scottish division is called "marie"
my hitlerjugend division is called "charlotte"

and so on, and so on
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>>175772970
No it doesn't.
Wolverines are hot garbage now.

t. someone who actually plays the game
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>>175765879
It's literally a meme at this point. They cannot help themselves.
>>
so how is quick match?
>>
Nine phase A pioneers is ridiculous. Complete control of towns and forests. And then the tank spam starts shortly after.
>>
>>175775551
It's quick. Very nice. But no control over maps, or stuff alike Axis v. Allies, Axis v. Axis etc.
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>>175776136
>quick
>2 players searching, no matter the mode
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>When phase C hits
>>
are Panzer 4s any good in SD? I don't want to get the game and be forced to use meme cats if I play as Ge*many.
>>
>eugene actually manages to make a pretty good but not OP infantry division in 2ID
>proceeds to nerf rangers repeatedly at the first opportunity
was anybody even complaining about them? I don't fucking understand eugene.
>>
>>175776456
They're very average, not very good armor, average range but decent penetration.
>>
M8 spam as the french is quite fun.
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>talks shit
>gets hit
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>>175777439
Didn't he bring any artillery or planes?
>>
>>175776529
They had to tone them down to make the French rangers in their meme'd the fuck out armored division look better.

Literally no one was complaining about rangers before this patch.
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>>175779381
oh yes, tremendous amounts of arty & planes
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>>175777439
how does one even lose that much to a KT? You have to think the moment they realize it it's on the field they have to start raping the fuck out of it with artillery and aircraft before trying to engage it.
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>>175779703
So he just forgot to use them then.
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>>175779891
He used them aggressively, he just wasn't fighting the guy who made that image.
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I HAVE MORE POINTS GIVE ME MY WIN EUGENE
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>>175779381

To be fair a plane train of 3 P47s with rockets was unable to panic the Tiger II.
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>>175745530
Combat paradrops
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>>175776529
>>175779562
>rangers nerfed
WHERE THE FUCK YOU GETTING THIS INFO FROM? I SWEAR IF THEY NERFED RANGERS I'M GONNA JUST

JUST
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>>175779979
>Wehraboo avatars
Every RTS
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>>175779958
Not very smart when it's the most effective way to annoy the player to death by constantly panicking the KT.

>>175780072
I had good success with large bombs, and then follow up from arty until they fuck off sufficiently far.
>>
>>175780217
Fuck you. I was like 6 years old, checking out that WWII textbook in the library every week that was bigger than me with all the awesome pictures in it. Also it's just my standard profile pic no matter the game I play.
>>
>>175780189
patch notes m8: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/sd44-new-patch-79074.1018891/

>P-38 J Lightning's agility lowered from Good to Medium
>Rangers Cal.30 MG's price increased from 25 to 30, availability per pack reduced from 4 to 3
>Ranger Leader's price increased from 15 to 20
>Assault Rangers' price increased from 25 to 30
>107mm mortar's crew strength reduced from 12 to 6
>P-47 (fighter version)'s veterancy reduced from veteran to rookie
>P-38 with double 1000lb bomb moved from phase B to phase C

and they buffed panzergrenadier while they were at it
>Panzergrenadier's double Leichtes MG42's firepower increased to match the firepower of two individual l.MG42
>>
>>175780189
http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=204&t=59864

>Rangers Cal.30 MG's price increased from 25 to 30, availability per pack reduced from 4 to 3
>Ranger Leader's price increased from 15 to 20
>Assault Rangers' price increased from 25 to 30
>Rangers Cal.30 MG's availability per pack reduced from 4 to 3

And that's just the Ranger nerfs. P-47 got it's veterancy taken away and the P-38 with the heavy bombs got moved from Phase B to C.

Eugen pretty much confirmed that their balance is, once again, based off of a tiny, loud minority of cry babby 10v10 shitters on forums.
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>>175766741
They are all the same after Normandy, just pick which setting you like the mosdt
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>>175780495
>>175780537
>Rangers Cal.30 MG's price increased from 25 to 30, availability per pack reduced from 4 to 3
>Ranger Leader's price increased from 15 to 20
>Assault Rangers' price increased from 25 to 30
>"nerfs"
They did jack shit to nerf them. Rangers, specifically Assault Rangers, still remain supreme on the battlefield
>107mm mortar's crew strength reduced from 12 to 6
EUGEN NOOO!
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>>175780946
>crew strength
Oh wait I thought that was HE for a second. They did jack shit to the 107mm as well.
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>>175780946
>Increasing price on 6 man squads
>That you need to integrate together like pieces to a puzzle in order to even make them effective, as one without the other will simply get fucking rekt by basic line infantry like Pgrens and Fallschirmjagers.
You know, that bullshit adds up. The price increases of leaders and rangers along eat half the price out of calling in a support squad. That shit is critical in the early game.
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>>175781223
they're kinda OP though on phase A
>>
>>175781223
>That you need to integrate together like pieces to a puzzle in order to even make them effective
I don't think you know how powerful Assault Rangers are.
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>>175780946
>>175781130
+5 cost and reduced availability to your best infantry is pretty fucking significant in a 1v1, where 2ID is best. and the 107mm taking a hit to strength means it won't be tanking hits from counterbattery anymore.

the real problem though is that 2ID was completely fine and still received a round of nerfs.
>>
New thread

>>175781369
>>175781369
>>175781369
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>>175781524
They're not that strong. A six man squad with no LMG, and rifles that can't fire on the move. It's mandatory that you have a leader with them or a shitload of smoke cover or they are insta-suppressed, and require a great deal of micro in general to not get their shit slapped by any sort of actual return fire.

At the end of the day it's just an upvetted sturmpio squad.
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>>175779765
Or just avoid it, it looks like the guy spotted the Tiger and started sending units one by one through an open field.
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>>175758323
>>175757970
Well it's Quick Play now.
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>>175781857

>avoid it
>each player in my team had 3, effectively covering the entire map
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>>175782049
>What is smoke
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>>175782049
>1050 points of KT per player
how did that happen
>>
>>175782351

Swiftly.
>>
>>175782202

Something that can't cover a map from one edge to the other and is subject to counter battery fire.
>>
I am new to Eugen games, but not to WW2. For entry-level play should I be up against the AI or join some 3v3s?
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>>175783425
probably do a few AI matches to familiarize yourself with things. at least be able to beat it on easy, but don't worry about hard and up, that's where the AI really starts to cheat and spam and normal tactics stop working.

also, there's a new thread m8, scroll up
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>>175783425
Just test one game against AI to familiarize yourself and then start playing people. The AI doesn't play like a person. 3v3s or 4v4s are fine after that, or 10v10 if you want to do whatever you want to because a lot of the people there are retards anyway.
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