/scg/ /edg/ Elite Citizen: Star Dangerous General #159

>tfw you spot the writer's waifu and you abra kedabra her to death

It's disgusting that the dads had to resort to third party tools for the salami event. True commanders would have managed to defend her without such cheats. This is the price of Hubris. A delicious tubed meat has been killed.

I really hope the retardation of this all spurs FDev on to take better care of its game's story.

>>175400409

Ftroop did incredible damage control and claimed that they had no hand in putting together the event, and that it was all Drew's doing. So they have learned nothing.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/348711-Today-the-destruction-of-Salomé-s-ship-shows-us-why-counter-intelligence-in-wings-teams-and-multi-crew-is-essential

Entertaining reading

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>>175399672
This is the best day in a long time. I was put off to say the least by all the organizational faggotry leading up to this. To have it turn out that the faggotry was intentional to ensure they would be able to take her out without interference, that's just awesome. I'm proud to shitpost in a general that honors heros.

>>175400819
I wouldn't let some shitass bitch of a 3rd-party use my game (that's already got its own heap of issues concerning story) to fuck around with my lore. Even if it was for a book, if I were FDev, I would have had direct control over it or not allowed it to happen at all.

>>175401061
It was pretty damn funny, though.

>>175401230
>I wouldn't let some shitass
Why the dick not it's literally some RP session.

Why can't you shitizens understand that Derek is right and just get refund?

>>175401408
Because I could set $500 on a table and light it on fire as easily as I can give it CIG on the off chance they fuck around and make a good space game. Poorfags who have to get refunds to pay their bills need to climb a rung or two in society so that a few hundred dollars is not a existential crisis for them.

>>175400938

It doesn't matter what any forum faggot has to say, any event like this will never work because there is simply no way to organize a large group of players beyond a Wing because Elite just upfront does not allow it. I knew Salami was going to get throatfucked by pulse lasers the second I heard of the event because there is no way anyone can organize a defense on that scale. Even putting aside the game's horrid networking, how do you know who is friendly? Who is out to kill her or help her? How the fuck can I build trust with other commanders when the only way to do so is through third party programs like Inara to form "fleets?" Though I guess it didn't help that the god forsaken idiots leading this shit heap of an event decided to trust random retards in the first place.

Tl;dr FUCKING CORPS OR DONT DO THIS SHIT AGAIN YOU IDIOTS

>>175401872
Consider the fact that CIG decided to spend $400 million on an office door, and they're ten years behind in development.

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OMG DUDES WE'RE LITERALLY LIKE EVE ONLINE

LOOK THAT DASTARDLY OUTCAST PLAYER GROUP SCHEMED BEHIND OUR BACKS AND BETRAYED US

SUCH IS THE EXTENT OF PLAYER AGENCY POSSIBLE IN (((OUR))) GREAT GAME

PLS BUY SEASON THREE

>>175402749
honestly it's not that different from eve

both are far more entertaining to read about than to actually play

>>175402749

I know you're funposting, but

>people who legitimately think this was an exercise in player agency
>forum now calling for total ban on player content and for FD to railroad the game into a set story because "hurr durr the players are clearly immature and cant handle the responsibility"

Elite has to have one of the worst playerbases I have ever seen. Other games can have annoying 10 year olds or tryhard dudebros but Elite is the one fucking game that has a community that actually calls for the gutting of their own game.

>>175403296
Wait.
This game has a story?

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>>175403279
>honestly it's not that different from eve

>>175403476

Yes, enjoy reading the actual 30k+ posts on the forums to understand it though.

>>175403296
>forum now calling for total ban on player content
Pretty ironic considering salome's whole story and the books about her are basically canonized fan fiction in the first place.

>>175403296
You have to be a total retard to belive that people behind this event were somehow clueless about who sdc or harry potter are.

I know you want to belive that fantasy about a bunch of cool edgy dudes sticking it to the man and all that but this whole thing stinks of a setup.

>>175402612
I don't care about them spending half a billion dollars on an office door and this game being in development for over 30 years. I just want some new fish for my tank. The ones I have are ok, but I'm tired of them and want new fishes. WHERE ARE MY FISHESES?!?

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>>175358026
Game development isn't linear for info, they have enough people to do a lot of planet simultaneously but they won't be released in an Alpha because:
- Even when everything its 98% complete, the 2% left depend on something else being added first
- Alpha are fork, meaning it require a lot of work that won't be part of the main branch, it's also the reason bugfix to alpha are rare. You don't fix an obsolete code.
- Letting player try incomplete feature is a known way to kill their impact at release as change can look much less important than the work they required.

>>175358767
>I'm definitely looking forward to all the planetary tech, but it would have been better in the sequel.
This sort of features is way too big to be added later, planetary tech had to be part of the foundation just like its FPS element.
Even E:D planned it at its core and it's have minimal integration and simplification like no atmosphere. They definitely can add legs and atmosphere but it will feel as a distinct part of the game rather than part of a whole.

That's why CIG absolutely had to throw away the previous code, it could never be modified to have planet later.

>>175403897

From what I have seen from Ftroop and their community, it would not surprise me one single bit if they really didn't have any idea. They are braindead. Besides, if they wanted it to be a set up, they could just get someone to come kill Salami without having to go through the trouble of getting SDC to do their dirty work. Clearly they had some people since they had a full wing of 3 others with Salami, so what's one more to come and interdict her and kill her after a set time?

>>175404161
maybe they all agreed that having the guy named harry potter kill the main character of drew's book was the most hilarious possible outcome

>>175404161
Both ftroop and Drew knew perfectly well who SDC are.

>go through the trouble of getting SDC to do their dirty work
What trouble? Like a bunch of edgy attention whores wouldn't do it for free and suck Brabens cock on top of that all for the chance to stand in a spotlight for a couple of days.

>>175404680

Why would SDC killing Salami achieve anything for Brabo or Drew? It's made them look like absolute retards because they actually trusted them. It would have been much better for them to have some random-named commander kill her if they wanted it to be a set up. Trusting SDC has made the event look like an absolute joke. If they actually trusted SDC just for a set up and that the community would accept that outcome, then they are even dumber than I could ever imagine.

>>175405049
Already said what it gets the, an illusion of a living brating sandboxy game run by players where everything is possible.

Both ftroop and Drew distanced themselves from it and curated this shit through perfect patsies. This whole thing supposed to look like a player run event.

>out of hundreds of players hunting salami it's harry who somehow lucks out to get in the same instance

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>ftroop announces that they acquired the rights to produce a game based on a famous movie franchise

>harry potter gets his name into elite book

>HARRY POTTER

>FAMOUS MOVIE FRANCHISE

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>>175401408
absolute minimum effort

Derek would be ashamed

>>175405635
It's kind of amazing the mental gymnastics the forum dads are going through to try and reconcile these events as a message that the player agency is greater than eve and it's up to the players to deal with elements like SDC.

Yeah good luck with that when P2P instancing directly invalidates any agency and there are a dozen tricks to escape reprisal when you do get caught.

>>175405635
>out of hundreds of players hunting salami it's harry who somehow lucks out to get in the same instance
Probably one of the players who had the highest chance of success, considering his assets. (Drive to do it, credits, engineered ships, an entire player group at his back who share the same goal)

He's not some random idiot who completely lucked out. His group had already began working towards killing her when they helped form PAC and the bullshit rules it had. They were on the track to success before the official event even began.

People crying setup are the same people who can't comprehend Trump being elected without outside interference because "it's too good/bad to be true".

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So let me get this straight. I don't know who this Harry Potter player is, but it sounds like he was obviously someone who would try to kill Salami and yet the Dads entrusted him to protect her anyway?

Bwahahaha.

>>175407570
Dads call him a griefer
I call him a performance artist.

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>>175405635
Your supposition leaves out one consideration. Who benefits in each outcome?

>Salami mission is a success and the merry gang of unarmed ships goes off to whatever the fuck they were supposed to do.
In this case, everyone wins. Fdev gets a ton of twitch and YT time over it. The Know would probably cover it. SDC would become a holy sanctioned guild that would be basically untouchable from then on. Drew would probably benefit too, but idk anything more about him, so fuck him.

>What actually happened today.
Fdev and Drew look like idiots, especially if they set it up. SDC looks like the troll kings while everyone else who took place in the event are left holding their dicks.

Your scenario is possible, but not probable.

>>175407549
>it was an ebick four dimensional ruse all along
Can you be a less of an obvious smellydogcocker? Bitch you're not goons and it's not my fault your shitty setup is so obvious.

>people in charge of protecting an important story character let the bad guys in just because
Uh-uh, not buying that sweety.

>>175407871
>Who benefits in each outcome?

>ftroop sells an illusion of a reactive player influenced world where schemes suck as above are possible
>drew gets a satisfying epic finale for his fan fiction wankery and sells it
>sdc get the attention they crave so much

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>>175407570

>>175407871
>Salami mission is a success and the merry gang of unarmed ships goes off to whatever the fuck they were supposed to do.
This is exactly what happened today, are you even following this shit?

>Fdev and Drew look like idiot
Except they won't in any case. Fdev distanced themselves from the event earrly on and Drew himself said that players will be responsible for how it unfolds.

>>175407887
>people in charge of protecting an important story
The only thing dads have ever been in charge of is being an absolute embarrassment.

Dads are the future.

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>trusting in SDC
seriously nobody saw this coming?
they got what they deserved.

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>>175408909
Mate you either call them dads or call them cryptoSDC, stop flip flopping around.

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Has Fdev or Reddit said anything about this shit show?
Is this even going to affect anything in game at all?

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>stuck working today
>see talk about allowing SDC to help escort Salome
>well SDC is going to murderboner, there's no other way that arrangement can go
>check back a bit later, they're telling dads to come unarmed
>sensible chuckle
>even if they came armed they wouldn't be able to save an FDev employee in a fight
>work gets busy, can't check back until hours later
>salami ded

I'm honestly not sure if I'm more surprised at the dads for trusting SDC, or at myself for thinking the dads wouldn't be this stupid.

>>175409302
What shitsow, it's a successful marketing campaign.

He should have killed salami in the book, she was the worst character in it and dragged the whole thing down. Space speedy gonzales was a better character

>>175409302
>Is this even going to affect anything in game at all?

It'll spawn a few galnet articles and maybe a CG.

>>175407570
It was another pvp group that entrusted his group to do that

Dads never even got near her - they don't do hardcore pvp or engineering so they just sort of gave up when the defence force began dictating rules, like fully engineered ships only or go home.

The dads couldn't have stopped any of this if they tried.

>>175409318
Or it was just a lazy transparent setup all along.

>>175409549
Was this the 9/11 of space games?

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>>175409406

Why in the fuck are you trying so hard to defend Ftroop? Everyone on the forums and reddit is mocking the fuck out of them. They are a joke. Are you Red Anders? Sleutelbos? Pecisk? Only they would be so hostile when it comes to defending Ftroop's honor.

>>175408658
indeed if he didn't want the possibility of this salami character dying why even set up the event in the first place

>>175409195
There is no flip flopping. SDC are not dads. Dads were tricked into participating in a player group that was ultimately being manipulated by SDC.

They were tricked because their anti-pvp sensibilities were preyed upon. (Join this group or you will be destroyed if you participate in this event, and upon joining you're likely just going to running an interdictor and letting other kill people for you.)

You either have half the story or are just meming.

>>175409709
Why are you so butthurt that someone doesn't belive that your furry sdc friends are actually capable of delivering such a cunning plan within a limited framework of ED?

And yes it only will bring more positive exposure to ED.

If you think it will sink ftroop somehow you have to actually explain how, cuz right now you don't make sense.

>>175409840
Why even voluntary befriend THE most evil griefer thus always telling him where you are located?

>>175410023

Nobody gives a shit about SDC, and nobody thinks this will kill Ftroop. Everyone is laughing at FD except you, because you think this is some elaborate scheme that they've pulled off and that backfired right in their face because they are the laughing stock of the playerbase now because this event was such a mismanaged and barely functional trash fire.

>>175410005
Dads were tricked? I thought dads were playing in solo but even then they know who SDC and HP are.

>WE TOTALLY TRICKD EVERYONE TOOK ALL YOU ONA RUSECRUISE XD
Scripted event my dogcocker dude, painfully obvious.

How does it feel to be dev pawns?

>>175410175
I know someone who friended him just so he could track him down and griff him with heat weapons during the height of heat meta.

>>175410402
>Everyone is laughing at FD except you
Well how about you speak for yourself instead of imagining a bunch of invisible friends that laugh wih you for a start.

Lauging at FD why? Simple question rather, keeping in mind they said themselves they are not managing it and consider it a player event.

So where is that big flop you're pissing your pants about?

>>175410656
Yes... and?

>>175410023
>your furry sdc friends

Nobody likes SDC mate.

SDC isn't that cunning. FDev isn't that cunning. There was no elaborate scheme. They tried playing the "new leaf" card and the involved parties just went on to make the worst possible decisions like they always do.

>>175410869

Here's an actual scheme that makes sense, you fucking idiot. They helped promote this shit and even got the third-party devs to get back in line just for the event. If you actually think this was just Drew roleplaying then you're just as dumb as Ftroop.

>whats the big flop???
>knew this event would attract a lot of people so they had forewarning
>barely anyone could connect
>transaction server issues constantly
>instancing issues

Ebin, my friend. Link your forum account so I can rep you.

>>175411016
And that's the answer to your question you explicitly asked.

>>175411025
>There was no elaborate scheme
That is actually true!

The scheme is simple, let the wolves guard a sheep.

Bear in mind I've said "let" because whoever managed that salami npc had every chance of escaping this fate.

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How much is the cutlass going to jump in price?
Also Origin $600 sale when, defender a memey ayylmao shit.

Why do you conspiracy theorists have such hard time believing an author could have the time to write the outlines for a couple of different alternative endings for a story. It's just text.

For ftroop themselves it's zero overhead because they're not the ones writing the story.

>>175410551
This guy is definitely trolling.

But to address your point, in case anyone else is out of the loop, the event was open only.

They had no other choice than to leave solo/private.

>>175411161
>They helped promote this shit and even got the third-party devs to get back in line just for the event.
[citation fucking needed], especially on third party devs. Ftroop didn't promote that event, you mong, Drew did.

>instancing issues
Well, Harry didn't have any issues and event ended succesfully. You're too butthurt to fabricate any convincing drama my man.

>>175411175
>hurr what is context
You might be autistic.

>>175411865
>why would you befriend so you can map each other
>so you can troll the troll
>hurr context

>>175411865
>Ask an open ended question
>Get a response
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE
yes someone here is definitely autistic

>>175411995
Holy shit you're dumb.

Why would a person behind salami befriend a most known griefier that's what I'm asking, you dirty mongoloid.

That's context. Use a dictionary next time.

>>175412123
It's not an open question moron. Read the post you're replying to, we were obviously talking about salami handler.

Maybe take off that fursuit that blocks the oxygen exchange or something.

>>175412549
>talking about salami handler.
you mean, drew wager, barely even plays the game the fan fiction author

possibly maybe he just didn't know who harry potter is.

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>>175412941
>h-he didn't know

Suuuuuuurrrrrreeeeee honey, uh-uh. Too much maybes.

Btw what it has to do with your initial retarded assumption?

Is robigo the best money making method in 2.3? I need a few billion..

To whom it may concern:

Pending state: Election

Fuck yes, automatic win based on influence.

>novel is called premonition
>pick a griefer group to protect your character

mhhhmmmm

>>175413456

POTATO DELIVERIES S O O N

>>175413173
>Btw what it has to do with your initial retarded assumption?
Which "my" assumption?

It was a direct answer to your question, why he would add some guy named harry potter who sends him a friend request.

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>>175413690
Your retarded question was out of conext. Not only that but a question itself was rhetorical.

Indeed, why befriend and constantly tell your position to a player killer if you are trying to stay alive?

But you are too dumb to understand any of that sadly, oh well!

As a member of the GCI (Galactic Combat Initiative, SDC + AA + IW + The Code + independent PVPers), I'm fucking proud of the ruse cruise our brothers in arms put the dads through.

>>175414648
Do dads even know about that?

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>>175414648
*tips solo mode*

Can't ruse me in a game I don't play.

>>175401408
refunds are an american concept, right?

>>175415803

So is tip

>>175414742
>>175415037
There are 1200 of us, and we get shittons of kills, to the point where most of us have lost count of how many virtual lives we've ended.

We'll be playing this game and fighting each other for years, long after the dads get bored of the grinding and leave. And when we make up the majority of the playerbase, FDad will be forced to listen to us, add guild-equivalents and dedicated servers, and remove P2P, randomness, solo and PG.

>>175416134
>all this wishful thinking

Honestly even if you're all that remain they still won't have to do shit for you because they know you NEETs will keep playing anyway.

>>175416262
Theres a difference between wishful thinking and delusion, with that post firmly in the latter.

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>>175416134
*puts on a kenny loggins record*
What?
*jumps into flightchair infront of a huge curved projection screen*
Sorry kid!
*buys every cosmetic item and a couple of horizon passes thus giving Braben sustenance*
You were sayin something but I...
*puts on a helmet and tips the visor*
Can't hear you over the sound of IMAGINATION!

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>>175416134
>someone, perhaps multiple people, may actually believe this

ed is such a futureless stopgap of a game it isn't even funny. glamorous it must be, as kings of shit.

>All these faggots playing these stupid games that will never be good, or even remotely finished
>Not joining the EVE master race
Under TheMittani, faggotry of this degree was punishable by repeated podding.

>"muh immersion"
>"muh cockpit"
Why would you need a cockpit, when lore-wise, your character's nervous system is literally plugged into the ship you're in, and you "see" with all of its sensors. Also, if you're that much of a lorefag, EVE has an actual reason for why dying doesn't remove all your shit, rather than hand-waving "escape pod" bs.

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>>175417642
>retarded goon-fellating dedgame eveposting-in-/scg/edg/

saucy meme

How long did salami last anyway? Did they ruse the dads for a long time or did they turn into psychopaths immediately?

>>175418114
pretty sure that potter and co. duped them as soon as they were able by goading one into slowing down or some shit

probably the first chance they got

>finally get emergent gameplay
>dads are salty it didn't emerge their way

As the saying goes, "git gud".

Why is Elite fun all of a sudden? This doesn't feel right.

Can someone give me a quick rundown on Harry Potter & The Slicing of Salami?

>>175414648
Y-you do know /edg/ has a player faction, right?

>>175418454
Literally Drew Wagar hires sdc to play bad guys in his set up scenario.

That is all.

>>175418114
>ruse the dads
Here's that meme again. Dads don't give a damn about that event, only people who are rused are other PvP groups.

>>175418721
Literally who hires literally what?

>>175418954
Literal fanfic write hires literal r/donald-tier "badguys"

>>175418404
>Why is Elite fun all of a sudden?
Hello Edward Lewis, I suddenly want to spare more money on this game considering it has so much emergent *winks* gameplay!

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>>175419091
Right on CMDR o7

I have not lurked this general for days and something exciting happens about ED, dads and """lore"""

PLEASE FILL ME IN

>>175418404
Elite isn't fun. What you're experiencing is schadenfreude from all the butthurt that you're observing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYzsRMaQpo

>>175419621
>something exciting happens
That's the thing, nothing exciting happened.

>>175419621

Elite lore is the best of any game I've seen so far, and got so much better. Part of the story is now going to be written into a book, and the players decided the ending. Can't wait to see if they do anything else like it.

>>175419621
tl;dr some dumb fanfic character is dead

It has to do with the rift. I'm just going to copy this from dickscord

>Rift in a nutshell.. Some "shadowy people" (probably INRA) setup a Dynasty program to create terraformable worlds wayyyy out past human civilization. They then killed everyone involved. Rebecca found out. Told Salome. Salome did a bunch of crap to tell us the same thing. The "shadowy people" did all of this because THEY (Thargoids) are possibly coming back. Oh.. and the war between Imps and Feds? Its a facade for the training they are actually doing to prepare for the possible invasion.

Spoilers: fucking nothing because you could see this all from a mile away anyways with how painfully drawn out this whole goddamn fucking thing is

maybe we'll get to shoot ayy lmaos soon

>>175418454
I'll sum it up for ya

>PAC and LL, the groups of dads rping to protect salami were on dictator mode being elitist assholes about it on chats
>tell many people to fuck off for not playing by "their rules"
>SDC joins in, offers """""""""protection""""""""", even after they announced they will be the bad guys
>community sees the bluff from a lightyear away, PAC doesn't with the giant stick up their collective asses being assholes to everyone
>everyone tries to warn them but they don't listen
>probably thinking which wolves would dare to eat the sheep when there's a lion guarding it
>PAC now wants anyone to help salami to come unarmed to the system, and gives them scout/spotter roles on systems away
>dads shoots down any players that want to come to the system with guns on their ships
>lions are now guarding the sheep
>sheep gets eaten under dad's noses
>lots of marital fights on households spiked over an hour
>many children have gone missing asking for their parents
>now Drew has to end his book with a "killed by harry potter" kind of ending

The ammount of disinfo, manipulation and subversion there was is really amazing.
Congrats to SDC for doing the impossible: they turned E:D into EVE:O for a couple of minutes.

>>175419801
>>175419807
>>175419819
>>175420161

who is salami? why was the sausage important? did this happen in game?

please i need to feast on some tears

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>>175419819
I'm willing to bet the alien war will hiding behind the second expansion pay gate too. They're not going to build up something this long and then give it for free. 2.4 will be lava planet landings or something stupid and 3.0 will be alien war.

>>175420161
>yiffy dog club still trying to make others belive it was their plan all along
lmoa take that drew cock out of your mouth first

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>>175420343
>please i need to feast on some tears
Wtf is that edgy shit? Are you into cutting and Paramore also?

>>175419807
>thinking that this is player-determined in a big way
As someone who took part in World War Bee, I laugh and you and your pathetic game.

>>175420401
>implying alien war won't be minimally viable appropriation of CZs, just enough to put it in 2.4 and ship in july-august

>>175420597
+1 internet to whoever made that

>>175420867
I've been predicting that the invasion will just be another goods hauling CG with a "You Win!" galnet message at the end and no actual aliens.

>>175420867
>>175421016
>implying it won't just be a total lockdown with a few ayy lmao ships

Those actually require effort. This is FDev we're talking about.

>>175420401

There will probably be alien ships or something and they'll be ridiculously OP and will be locked behind a paywall. Shell out or get shelled on, just like shitgineers.

On the topic of ayylium invasion, I thought up an idea in like 2 minutes

>rip out CQC, its fucking dead and a retarded idea anyways
>put in Naval Air Force Enlistment Program
>basically CQC except its PvE and takes place in the actual game except separated
>get to pick between fighters (1 player), heavy fighter (2 players to encourage friends to play together) and bombers (3-4 players, to encourage even more friends + wings)
>you launch from a Fed/Imp capital and have to defend your fleet from ayylium interceptors and bombers
>fight alongside regular player ships since this takes place in the actual game
>basically dynamic conflict zones that pop up and end once either flagship is destroyed
>players given warning of when theyll pop up so they can go assist players in fighters
>if players take too many losses, humans lose the system (would happen naturally because i'd imagine there'd be too many combat sites to keep up with, players would have to prioritize which systems to hold. maybe have something like credit capitals like in powerplay or something)

Only thing that would be a challenge is the god awful instancing. Hire me Brabo.

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>>175420597
Not marwel at Ftroop ingenuity.

>pre event
>salami what? oh it's that fanfic shit whatever
>after event
>OMG HUGE INTERNET FIGHT DRAMA BETRAYAL EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT OUR GAME

>>175421194

>takes place in the actual game instead of *separated

For whatever reason I always brainstorm when I'm tired.

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>>175418294
But how many minutes long was the actual event?

>>175421569
>implying it's not just you cross-posting like a fucking faggot

>>175421569
>mfw I know that guy from the GCI

>>175421785
>being this butthurt people not buying your smelly dog cock lies
Fite me in game bro, you know my name.

>>175421917
>mfw I know him from before GCI

Actually this guy is fucking everywhere, but I refuse to believe Frontier actually employs someone to play the game.

>>175422008
redpill me on this bug/glitch

>look for multi crew for exploration for over an hour
>zero people joined

literally dead feature

>>175421569
>>175422000
He's just a NEET with literally all day every day to dedicate to this shit.

>>175422189

Wrong. Multicrew is great and probably one of their best features, right along with planet landings. Sorry you have shit internet and can't get connected with anyone.

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>>175422000
>I refuse to believe Frontier actually employs someone to play the game
This harry potter fellow is literally everywhere. Instancing be damned he's in official livestreams, this event, gets cosmetics from FD.

He's like a shadow community manager for target group GRIEFERS.

Actually...

>>175422456
>right along with planet landings

Is this sarcasm?
Braben said that planetary landings that consisted of "nothing but a heightmap" would suck, and look where we are now.

>>175422189
>multi crew for exploration
Haha why would anyone join that shit?

>>175422638
You can count loading screens with someone else.

>>175422601

Well okay, planet landings are more than heightmaps. What more do you want from planet landings? We have planetary mining and combat. Cities will come soon I assume.

>>175422502
Maybe he's the "QA Team" they refer to...

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>>175349472
>CCP buys out FDev
fan fiction goons masturbate to every night

>>175422993
>CCP
>Not Zennimax

Being in the core is actually kinda pretty. Makes me want to go even further out to isolate myself. Seems like it would be comfy. Do I have autism?

>>175426916
>circles
>fucking hexagons
>triangles

NOT EFFICIENT ENOUGH NEEDS MORE SQUARES

>>175423964
Speaking of Zenimax what happened to their spaceship game Starfield or something?

>>175427179
Might be one the two mystery items at the Bethesda's E3 this year. Other has to be the TNO sequel.

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why does this game look so comfy but end up so repetitive

>>175429923
>says the miner

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Game can be very A E S T H E T I C sometimes.

>>175430254
>i actually have to do this to unlock a pay2win feature

never has a game made me contemplate an heroing more than this

>>175430427
>mine 500 tons of ore to proceed.
Yeah, that's where I said fuck that. I can wait for 3.0 at this point. I don't need to engineer my shit that fucking badly.

>>175432598
>wait for 3.0

I'm not paying more until they sort this mess out.

>cqc should be in-game as an arena/pvp mode with bots (and frankly, less shitty progression and more than fighters imo)
>there should be some kind of racing too, with npcs
>needs a real economy
>needs real exploration mechanics
>why the fuck did horizons turn into pay-to-win, fuck engineers are just bad as a design (shoulda been sidegrades)
>mining and surface mining seem like they were thought up in 5 minutes tops
>instances/p2p fucking ruin everything, war will never mean anything more than a higher chance to get interdicted
>why the hell is there no hyperspace instance then
>"""""planets""""" literally just heightmaps projected on spheres and scaled (wew lad)
>what the fuck are player community tools (guilds non-existant, factions take months to be added)
>what the fuck is providing first-party information why do we have to rely on other people to make programs and sites to get this shit in the first place
>nothing in place to prevent abuse of shitty game mechanics/oversights in design/programming
>can't decide if it's an mmo or not
>thus things like powerplay are fundementally fucked
>dads

>>175432598
>>mine 500 tons of ore to proceed.
dang now I wanna play some Spengies

>>175432994
yeah, I meant SC 3.0

The only hope for ED is for it to die and the source code be released. Short of that, nothing can save it.

what would a star citizen tcg be like?

>>175430427
>>175432598
Selene does the armor and reinforcement mods so you're fucked in PVP without her.

There was a brief period a while back when there were no working money exploits and payout from mining the three Ps was better than other mission types or BH'ing. Bulk trading still beat it but I decided to just mine instead so I could kick back with a drink and some netflix. Was kind of comfy like that surprisingly.

Mine, board hop to turn in any mining-only metals, sell the rest and go back out. Already had all my mining done when RNGineers came out.

>>175434676
>so you're fucked in PVP without her.
I know. It's a big world out there, and I'll find a way to soldier on.

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>>175435072
>mfw you don't go PvP without a picture of her hanging around

Just think about how absolutely wrecked that pussy must get with all of those beans in her.

>tfw you will never scream PLEASE TITO MY BURRITO into your mic while you listen to the weeaboo screech of your comrades

>>175433881
Alternatively frontier gets bought out by someone competent.

>>175433881
>>175437013
t. evefags

>>175437013
Not impossible, but game studios getting bought out usually does not improve quality.

>>175437178
I played about 15 minutes and uninstalled after I realized you couldn't actually fly the ship. This was only after they made it free to try.

>>175437178
what caused all the eve hate around these parts?

>>175403296
Wait, I just entered this general to lurk and ask a question about Elite. What the fuck is going on? I see harry potter shit, and people bitching about edgelords, etc.

>>175437461
Maybe the fact isn't isn't a game and it only brings weaponized autism to this general.

>>175437178
Nice projecting, but ccp would be a terrible choice. Their development cycles are longer than frontier seasons and all their non eve projects have died because of terrible choices and mismanagement. Only Valkyrie can be considered something of a success but that's because it exploits the growing VR market.

Imagine
>This year we're going to be remodelling imperial ships to utilize cutting edge pabst blue ribbon technology.
>We're also brainstorming changes to make bounty hunting and drug running an actual thing as well as bring low security into a relevant place, be on the lookout for more info!
*5 years later*
>This year we'll be remodelling federation ships to make use of shader model 420!
>We've also progressed bounty system changes from brainstorming to pre-planning drafts! Work is coming along nicely!

>>175437461
It's part EVE drama, part resentment for not being able to actually pilot any ships, and part Dad posting.

>>175437689
>isn't isn't
FUCK I meant it isn't

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>tfw dads turned into salt golems.

>>175437747
I want Rockstar to make a space genre game. GTA in space, with spaceships.

>>175437336
But what *is* flying a ship?

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>>175437806
no take backs faggot!

>>175437823
>>175437786
Can someone explain to me what the dad insult means? Surely it doesn't actually mean someone who has a kid but some kind of pathetic behavior of a neutered middle age male, right?

>>175437871
either, at the minimum, "direct control" through WASD rather than clicking in a spot to accelerate in that direction, and/or first person cockpit

i imagine this is what turns most people away from Eve Online--that disconnect from your personal avatar

>>175437985
The ship is your personal avatar though.

>>175438061
but i can't spam spacebar to jump every other second

>>175437945
It's something millennial faggots call community members who paid for the game with their own money rather than sucking their moms dick for it.

>>175437945
>some kind of pathetic behavior of a neutered middle age male

It's behavior/attitude that just happens to be common among middle-aged nostalgiafags who played Elite on 8-bits and/or Wing Commander on their 386s. It doesn't actually matter your age or if you have kids or not.

>>175437945
A bit of both.
Dad stemmed from the gen X-er crowd who grew up playing the original elite and wanted ZERO improvements in E:D. They wanted Elite with good graphics, down to the shitty design conventions and gameplay limited by 1980's technology. They have a pathological fear of anything multiplayer because they wake up in cold sweats of that time they were ganked in eve online, and believe all player interaction must be entirely consensual. Being accidentally bumped in open for instance is tantamount to rape.

Most of these individuals are actual dads who remark about how their children enjoy watching them play, and evoke a sort of cognitive dissonance when arguing for the badly designed game elements. Grind for instance doesn't exist for them because they "play the game instead of ginding" and believe "kids should learn to have patience and work for what they earn." In a subsequent thread they'll argue they "have a job and their time is valuable so they don't want non-consensual player interaction (pvp or what they refer to as griefing) wasting their time." But if you confront them on this very point they'll revert back to the muh work and effort argument before going off on a tangent about how kids don't understand, and they're having fun so the game must be fine.

They're literally your 10 year old cousin when someone tells him WoW is shit.

>>175438719
Oh, those were just faggots during my time. I'm of the same generation period (When we were younger, they called us the MTV generation or Doom Generation) and there were always kids who you would go to your or their house to play videogames and they'd bitch if you beat them or gloat if they beat you. They played videogames to feel good and anything that inverted that expectation was criminal. Videogames weren't a challenge like a hobby (playing NES games till you could beat them in an afternoon) they were like a happy ending minus the massage.

I never played Elite back then but I got it on release and a joystick to have fun, and have fun I did. I fucked up encounters with sweaty palms and learned what weapons were good and how to outfit my shitty but basically free ship. Some people learn to fear the hurdle and blame it for life's problems while others practice clearing it.

PvP is a hurdle and failing it is an affront to their ego. It's like people who pull the plug in Souls games. Worst case scenario just let him kill you if you know you suck, why fucking ragequit?

I have kids and they think the game is fascinating. I let one younger one pretend to pilot it with the joystick while I went to go make a snack for us all the time (had the auto-dock module). It's good to see though that there are some fucking places on the internet where gamers retain that which made gamers something to be proud of. Enjoying the challenge and not giving into fucking faggots who wanted to play mario party instead of something with meat.

>>175438223
I've only seen a few complaints paired with it, like PvP aversion and they seem valid. What's the exception?

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>>175437461>>175409514
Non Elite player here, I keep hearing about Salami and Harry Potter.
Can someone explain what going on in simple fact? no meta please I don't know the fanbase that well

All I could take from this is that Fdev organized an event around a character and team, and someone trolled everybody by pretending to be on their side then killed it?

>>175437461
What I know:
Eve Online is unfamously known to let the players do anything as long as it's feasible within the gameplay. It gave us the biggest still-pictures of a thousand ship battle but most of the time the majority of the player base tend to pay* for someone's fun.

I think you probably know that, but this kind of things is looked down by people who want game that put hard-coded limit so that everyone have a chance to have fun

*take that literally, lot of $$$ wasted

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>>175437945
See pictures
or >>175438719 >>175439307

>>175439486
>tend to pay* for someone's fun
do you mean suffer due to losses? because that's largely the appeal of nearly everything in eve--the feel of consequence of all actions
makes for probably more rich gameplay and i wish most MMOs were similar in nature, rather than an endless, vertical gear grind

>>175439486
Harry potter is a well known troll in game.
Salami is the elite waifu character of the guy writing the elite novels and planned an event in game to determine if she lived and delivered her message or died.
Harry convinced people to come to the event without weapons, because the people who attended were the gullible sort. He and his crew then escorted salami for a while and finally killed her when the time was right.

It's not such a big deal other than to highlight how gullible certain parties were. The real shitshow was the event itself which demonstrated in clear light how shit Frontier's servers are and how utterly garbage the P2P instancing system is.

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>>175439865
Holy fucking shit that is absolute gold.

>>175439307
>they'd bitch if you beat them or gloat if they beat you

You'll be pleased to see they haven't changed.
They often gloat and act smug on the forums whenever they can bring up the fact that they play only in open, despite being completely risk averse and do everything in their power to avoid conflict. As well as not using any third party tools which are practically a necessity if you don't want to waste your time by manually scouring stations to find that one module, or that one ship.

Mostly it seems they've gone quiet as more people get fed up with Frontier's bullshit grind design. They still smug it up when they can though.

>>175439865
The main purpose behind feigning to be an escort was to get the Salome player to friend Harry's account so he wouldn't get fucked out of his shot by E:D's shit-tastic P2P instancing.
It's unlikely they would have had to feign being protection to kill her as it's nearly impossible to actually protect another ship in E:D and the person playing Salome was a terrible pilot who got fucking wrecked by gimbals on a Clipper and dumbfire grom bombs.

>>175440584
It would have been funnier if they got salami almost to the end then went full allahu ackbar with sidewinders.

>>175422008
Let me give you the quick rundown

>login to a heavily populated station (ex: Quince's population of people competing to be the Galaxy's worst tour guide).
>The game tries to put you in an unoccupied hangar slot
>It should put you in a new instance if all the slots are full.
>But Ftroop is ftroop, so the game drops its spaghetti instead and puts you in the same slot as somebody else
>Will one of you dare to push the launch button?

>>175440715
Suicidewinder griffing her and getting her murdered by the station as she came in to dock at her final destination would have been comedy platinum.

are you winning son?

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>>175439865
But anon, all the big games use p2p. It simply wouldn't work any other way. Cheers.

>>175440772
Imagine the following.

>Salami makes it to the station
>This is the final stretch. Home free. The good guys prevail!
>Final approach through the mailslot with autodock waltzing Salami's waifu ship in.
>Things look great.
>Wait a minute, what's that rising into view?
>A Type 9 rises up from inside the station and eclipses the mail slot.
>Salami can't enter the station, ABORT ABORT ABORT!
>*CLANG* WHAT WAS THAT?!?!?!
>another Type 9, overlooked as a peaceful trade whale, has positioned itself behind Salami's clipper. SHE'S TRAPPED WITHIN THE MAILSLOT!
>loitering is punishable BY DEATH!
>*pew pew pew BOOOM*

>>175440429
I'm not pleased. They're still bitches, and their kids are bitches. I know one I went to school with moved out near me and his kid is a spoiled moron. He bought him on a whim this 90 dollar motorized nerf gun that the kid can't even lift just because my kid saved up for months to buy a normal nerf gun.

He comes in to the scout pinewood race and just bought a car and they gloated when he won two awards and rubbed it in other kids face who didn't buy a premade car but made it with their own hands out of a block of wood as is the spirit.
It sucks that 4chan is one of the few havens on the internet from these people in all categories of life. Or worse the evolved form of the PC crowd.

>>175440746
I would for the free frag. If for no other reason than it would enrage the other guy. I only wish you could draw on the cockpit glass with fog and a finger so I could fuck with him before nuking us both.

>>175441309
The devs and community would try hard to handwave it away as a game error.

>>175441287
That guy is sorely misinformed. This is what happens when you're not in the tech industry but play a lot of games. People talk and read crap, and as a result think they've gained technical knowledge through osmosis.

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>>175439793
Phrased it that way you could see nothing wrong even in the worst thought out p2w game.
It's not our business if someone like to play in a sandbox that enforce Social Darwinism but players usually get into EVE not knowing that outside of the bubble you'll just become loot pinata for a minority of players. or that "infiltrating an player corporation and disbanding it" is considered part of the game.

>rich gameplay
That's not rich gameplay, it just mean it's easier to lose everything you had in different way so you start the vertical grind again and EVE is the epitome of grinding and getting bigger ship&gear.
EVE is even the closest you can find of a skinner box, except that they don't keep guinea pigs from killing each other outside the bubble.

Rich gameplay would describe SC's plan for lateral progression, limiting the consequences of dying to the minimum (char&name, not ships&money) and making the game 80% npc so players are not dependent on the metagame.

>>175441558
>I would for the free frag. If for no other reason than it would enrage the other guy.

Only the guy who launches dies because you're invulnerable while docked. It'll make a huge racket of scraping and shield buzzing noises but the ship that stays moored takes zero damage.

>>175441810
The guy who launches doesn't die either. He just gets displaced to the side.

Depending on how big his ship is, he might get killed if he gets stuck between a rock and a hard place and sort of starts vibrating to death, but generally you can just fly away.

So I played for a while and they started advertising this...wingman update? I remember hearing it was going to be a paid update to the base game and just deciding to take a break for a while.

What's the cost like to upgrade from a preorder copy into current and is it worth the additional content? I liked it before but there wasn't much to do other than grind cargo or smash other players. They added mining but it was very incomplete.

>>175439865
I see,
can you elaborate on how E:D specific instancing played a role?
From >>175440584 I think I got the bulk of it: "not a friend = not in the same instance to kill her" but what where player outside the instance supposed to do?

>>175441287
I think he is talking about how it result in separate instance rather than a single shard.
But you are right, many game simply wouldn't work without instance even if it was technically possible. There is only so many player you can have in game area before it get cluttered.

>>175442297
Instancing is lolrandumb. Anyone could have potentially entered Salami's instance, but players who are friends are more likely to be placed in the same instance.

>>175442297
>not a friend = not in the same instance to kill her

You can get instanced with someone even if you aren't friends, but friends are prioritized first for entry into your instance so it's highly likely they'll get in over a random.

>what where player outside the instance supposed to do?

Fucking nothing.

Is the Horizons pass worth it now?

Do I need a friend to enjoy multicrew? I don't have one of those

What will happen in SC if I go full Khorne and just start killing literally everything I encounter.

>>175444295
Your spawn point changes to Grimhex and everybody gets wallhax against you for free.

>>175444295
Once your crimestat hits level 5, you trigger a instance wide manhunt and you appear on every players radar

>>175444365
>>175444374
I mean in the final product. Lets say in theory that I am actually a good player, very good even, I go into secure space, murder a LOT of people, kill my way out and then flee to lawless space. Does the UEENdless Npc Armada come find me? Or just get an absurdly high bounty enticing ALL the bounty hunters.

>>175444896
way too early to call one way or the other. wait until 3.0 for real.

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How to we convince CIG to include the Eternal Avtomat?

>>175437985
>needing a cockpit when, canonically, the entire fucking ship is an extension of your nervous system

>mfw there's currently a war brewing in EVE between Pandemic Legion and Curitores Veritas Alliance over anime

>>175445613
i read the title about an anime war but didn't know the combatants
how in the fuck will a roleplay alliance fend off pandemic

>>175445704
So far, they're losing, with their head FC having been headshot mid-fight no less than 5 times.

>>175445613
This holy shit
Eve ships are literally what the space realism autsists in here crave
>No space glass bridges
>heart of the ship enclosed and armored.

>>175446660
The space autists that haunt this are literally EVE-playing game shitting goons who want SC to be first person EVE online. So its really not a surprise. There is a very significant subset of the space sim fanbase that is autistic as fuck about "optimal" space ship design, which is absurd of course because its all fucking theory anyway. That ship autist base who would rather have ships be "efficiently shaped" and whatnot share a large overlap with the literal "goon" section who wants to ruin fun where and whenever they encounter it. So of course they want to combine their tisms and ruin fun by making all the ships samey boring BVR railgun or laser platform that instagib one another with near lightspeed weapons.

Origin $600 when? I want a new Jpeg but Defender a shit.

What do you guys think the final price for the BMM will be? Luckily I had a $0 Redeemer to BMM CCU from before the price hike, so I'm hoping to upgrade my Constellation Andromeda to a Carrack for $25. Though it seems clear that this isn't the last price hike the BMM will get, so I'm debating riding this to the top instead of getting the Carrack. Since recently they've said that this is the Banu capital ship and the new size will be similar to the Polaris, is it feasible to expect around $500-$600?

https://youtu.be/ikmAItVpg0g

I just got done playing this demo and it reminds me that the SC not having semi automated targeting for guns is fucking retarded.

Whats the name of that pixel art space sim game again?

Would the dads have ruined ED if hadn't been a part of the Elite franchise?

>>175449863
starsector?

>>175450176
yes that one thank you

>>175449931
Yes. Just look at the amount they're masturbating over SC.

The only thing that would have saved ED from the dads would be being a first-person EVE, because EVE is their kryptonite.

>>175445198
>le AK47
>le desert eagle
xd

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Is it normal to have problems with the AI pirates? Bought the game 2 days ago and I'm flying an avenger titan. They died pretty easy when I was with the hornet on free weekend, should I consider upgrading guns?

>>175448260
Don't see any automation on that trailer.

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>>175450774
Deagle is a meme cannon, but the AKM and it's derivatives are the most commonly used weapons on earth. I would not be surprised if they are still being used by economically challenged belligerents centuries from now simply because they're cheap, easily maintained, common, reliable and deadly. Everyone will not be able to afford the latest model from behring.

>>175453358
They're common and cheap now because of economy of scale. 900 years from now? Not applicable.

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>>175444896>>175444295
Safe bet/speculation are that your (guilty) ship will be recognized if you reach a certain level of detection while in a space the UEE can scan

maybe:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14926-Design-Notes-Electronic-Warfare
"Scanned Target – Once a target is scanned, all of the information that can be attained with the currently installed scanner suite is made available."

Since I doubt CIG want to keep you criminal scum away from planet you'll probably be able to land on reputable if you do so in another ship and avoid the star-port scanner
Or maybe if there's an illegal landing pad

That or you get in moon who don't care, Levski is supposed to be an anarchic utopia

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>>175450548
>EVE is their kryptonite
go to bed goonlet. eve isn't a lump of krytonite, it's a lump of faggotite and it looks like you use it as a suppository.

>>175455703
Not that anon but I do imagine there will be ways to getting everywhere regardless of your reputation, though as a dirty crim it'll probably be a lot harder, avoiding patrols and the like.

CIG would really be biting off more than they can chew if they were aiming to create equal amounts of "good" and "pirate" landing zones and it really wouldn't make much sense to do so.

>>175453358
I love the weapon design in this game so much. There must be like one token conservative on the art team who has actually used weapons before and at least vaguely knows where to put things.

>>175456849
>thinking I'm a goon
>when I fucking hate goons, they hate the alliance I'm in, and I've been part of the forces that pushed them out of Deklein in January last year

Also
>preferring a game in which nothing you do will change anything to a game where almost everything is directly or indirectly PVP (sell/buy something? Market PVP, because you're undercutting someone/paying someone else/forcing prices down/creating a monopoly)

>>175457787
>I fucking hate goons, they hate the alliance I'm in, and I've been part of the forces that pushed them out of Deklein in January last year

So you're an ousted goon and now you're just assmad.

But none of that matters anyway because you're in the wrong general.

>>175457787

Blah blah blah whatever goonster. Elite is a better game than anything youll ever have.

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>>175457787
no one here cares. go to bed.

rip in pepperoni salami

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ED is great for making screenshots to fuck around with

>>175456907
Careful there, you are talking about wannabee pirate who believe they'll heist UEE galactic bank every day and still be swagging into the UEE to buy an Idris.

If the plan didn't change there will be (Star) citizenship, the given example (2013) are just lore but seeing how it can blend with reputation it's clearly intended to play into factions.
http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Citizenship
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/spectrum-dispatch/12956-Writers-Guide-Part-Two/

guys where can i pirate the hcs voice packs for dangerous citizen: elite star

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The real world is terribly depressing and I am becoming black pilled. I need SC to come out soon so I can have an escapist fantasy to decompress in for a while. The games industry just sucks so completely lately that I can't find anything that's not shit to tide me over. PS2 is so far gone that it's just another frustration more often than not. WoW is dead even after I hung on to it for more than a decade. I need a game to get lost in again so I can ignore the utter lack of hope for my own future.

so I started playing elite, how the fuck am I supposed to make money with 2 cargo and some shitty lasers?

I can't even fly to the closest star that is 8ly away it says I can use only 0.6 fuel.

Can't even buy mining lasers with 1000 credits.

>>175462940
Go to a res site in a planetary ring. If you're still in the starter ship, wait for cops to soften up wanted ships then jump in for the final blow to earn the bounty. Install a kill warrant scanner for more money

>>175409302
something significant happened?
did I missed the fun in the vision train

>>175462853
sounds like you should sort yourself out bucko

>>175462940

what >>175463479 said but also remember nav beacons work too if you don't see res sites. Wait for the cops to pull enemies if you're still in sidewinder- if you can contribute to an Anaconda kill you're well on your way

>>175466204
You have no Idea, but I lack motivation and I'm mostly stable in terms of living conditions. I run into trouble when I have nothing to distract me, I write fiction for a living, but I can't do that literally all the time, and when I'm not writing or gaming or sleeping I tend to think about stuff and when I start thinking about stuff I get stressed out and angry and can't sleep. Lack of sleep causes more stress, frustration and complicates health problems. I'm in serious physical pain pretty much all the time from a collection of highschool sports injuries I was too stupid to recognize and address when I was younger, and the mounting stress really cuts into my ability to block out that pain. I deal with this most reliably by focusing my mind on something else, bur because I got so hyped for SC way back and have spent basically all my Vidya money since then on it, to the exclusion of getting deep into some other game, the lack of meaningful stuff to in SC is kinda fucking with me. I don't do drugs, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't chase trim, I don't chase twinks either. I produce and consume alternate realities, I cannot consume the ones I produce because I made them and kinda by definition I know all the plots, secrets and easter eggs. I'd be some kind of faggot if I wrote something and then read and was like yea, that was a good story.

My lack of distraction is making me look into the shitty world I do my best to hide from and that looking is slowly driving me mad, because I can see most of the things wrong and can even come up with ideas to fix many of them, but completely powerless to apply what I think, because I'm a borderline Invalid with almost no money. The only thing I can think of is literally getting married and having some kids, but then I would literally become the my dad and If family history is any guide I would be a shitty father, because I'm basically the fifth generation of autistic fuck-ups fucking up their sons.

My name is jeff lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPjvKdrvudM

>>175467653

Excellent blog post, Cmdr. +rep. Rep train anyone? :)

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>>175467653
you need to seek some level of education in a field of relative passion or interest to you and then find a job inside it because you clearly require an occupation and associated responsibility to ground your seemingly nebulous life. save up for a couple years of college or learn to code and design some useful software to make money because unless you are willing to supply the impetus to advance you simply never will

>what the fuck did i just read

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>>175467653
>>175468509
you could always do drugs instead

>>175462853
>>175467653
I'm probably going to get dogpiled by forumdads for saying this, but try playing EVE and joining one of the major alliances. Even though you're a tiny part of a massive machine, it's still really fun, you get to know people, and you get to go on fleet operations, which are really fun.

>>175468652
Already did that, got bored fast, xcel is not a fun game.

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>>175468652
You don't have to waste time in EVE if you've got Microsoft Excel

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>>175468871

>>175468594
My brain is literally one of only two parts of me that work well, I'm not dumb enough to toast that shit for some temporary relief/entertainment.

>>175468509
I got like 60% of an EE degree, but realized that I actually hate math with a burning passion and really don't want to be crunching numbers for fourty years. I actually make acceptable money writing and I enjoy it too. Not a lot of money mind you, but enough.

>>175468802
>>175468871
If you actually have to use spreadsheets playing EVE, you're doing it horribly wrong. Only traders and AFK miners do that, and trust me, they're massive fags. As long as you're part of a large alliance that holds claimable space, you will have a good time. Especially if you're in Pandemic Horde or Brave Newbies, because everyone comes to their territory for fights, and middle management will often pay for expensive ships lost in fleet operations.

Why are there so many eve shills in our general all of a sudden?

>>175469109
No, No, EVE is a spreadsheet. Its a spreadsheet disguised as a game.

>>175469205
>>175435386

>>175469047
i can see why you would anticipate sc very very dearly with all of this in mind and do appreciate some of the clarification. my suggestions are inevitably canted towards a certain assumed circumstance and i earnestly wish you an easy wait and payoff in the extreme in all hope here. just take care of yourself as best you possibly can in the meanwhile.

>>175469205
Because EVE has an F2P option now, E:D is choking on it's dying breath, SC doesn't exist yet and people still want to play a space game.

Trouble is they have not yet realized that EVE isn't a game, it's an interpersonal abuse simulator disguised as an astropolitical social experiment disguised as a game.

>>175451795
The Avenger isn't going to do much with its guns. Change the suckerpuch guns out with anything else though. SP don't do direct damage, they only affect power systems, which are not implemented correctly yet.

Enter races to earn REC with your Avenger, and spend the REC at Electronic Access to rent guns to try out. Your goal in the race is to complete at least one lap to get credit.

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What's this about a happening in Elite:Dangerous? I hear someone got infiltrated and skullfucked.

Anyone have a quick rundown?

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>>175469984
>Trouble is they have not yet realized that EVE isn't a game, it's an interpersonal abuse simulator disguised as an astropolitical social experiment disguised as a game.
I'm amazed how they programmed players to be okay working as human-npc for free.

When I look at SC plan's to avoid these downfall I just wonder how it will survive offline black market, people paying real money to gain influence or ship ingame.
I guess the question is still open as to how they'll deal with thousand of Org who will want to capture the same stuffs despite a 100~200 players limits

>>175471938
see >>175439865
If someone have a better rundown about how Fdev was trying to organize that I'm interested

did frontier tried something new with elite?
the moment I stop following the elite someshit happens
can someone give me a quick rundown

>>175473656
nothing happened.

no one was affected.

nothing has changed.

you missed nothing worth regretting.

>Harry Potter and the Slicing of the Salami
Literally the entire story in the title.

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>>175472125
Thanks, anon.

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>>175473656
were you not able to look at the post directly above you to see the answer to the exact question you just asked?
The best part is you would of had to read farther back to then see that something in fact happened to ask what it was.

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>>175474559
nope, because I posted while alt tabbing and thread wasnt on auto refresh

ded game
ded space
ded thread

>people saying nothing happened

We literally changed the course of the story, how did nothing happen? Of course it's still shit since it was a group of retarded grieffers that got the kill, but it was still a great event. I'm only glad that now Frontier is less inclined to introduce grouping tools since they'll be abused to ruin things like that event.

I was on the discord for the defenders throughout. Was going to join in until I found out the no weapons bs. It was worth sticking around just to see everything happen. To make things even more fun, someone stumbled across the listening post data that salami was supposed to give out before he event was over and put it on plebbit. The defenders are trying to damage control the fact that their misguided efforts were wasted. Some ebin sodium chloride though.

>>175481760
this game won't have a decent looking fanbase until it releases, even then you'd need 1 year for the normies to come in and scare the smelly manchildren

>>175481760
First on the left looks like a happy merchant

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wat da fug reddit

>>175482395
My mom says im handsome

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>mfw watching 2 missed atv in a row and it's not suffering

>>175441287
>that random capitalization
why is it always people who are completely delusional that do this?

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I have never been so excited about something so mundane. in 20 years when guns still float on players backs in halo 15 we'll look back and say 'remember when that one game actually addressed this shit?'

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>you want to help Salome?
>ok, please sign here
>and here
>here
>submit your ship build
>social # here
>engineer here
>sign up for Discord
>join our Facebook group
>join this wing
>kill anyone you see that isnt on the list
>....

>ah, SDC
>we've been waiting for you
>please escort Salome to her destination

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>>175471958
With a large and responsive economy real world inputs aren't detrimental, players will always find ways to pay real life money for advantages - if it's discouraged/actively prevented small transactions become non-viable so you only get the big transactions, which, due to a volatile market tied to in-game events and not to a large number of real world currency transactions, result in very visible market fluctuations/game changes. If, rather that being discouraged, it's sensibly brought into the fold (preferably with an official/allowed means of trade, not only for player safety, but for transparency to RSI) there will be a sufficient volume of transactions of all sizes to shore up the economy against real currencies, at which point the game becomes robust against B2W.

As an aside to that, this is probably the best means to guess how long it will take to earn ships in game. Looking at most MMOs efficient grinding with few pre-requisites (e.g. gather professions in low-risk areas) next a currency equivalent of ~£0.85/hr (a bit more than $1/hr), going up to ~£2.50/hr for efficient end-game grind with all 'high-level' pre-requisites and some player skill. Above this sits very high skill actions (game-dependent, but from what I've seen netting anywhere between £5 and £15/hr - so above minimum wage) and merching, which has no real upper limit, and tends to exponentiate.

So, assuming we have a stable market linked in to game currencies, one may assume that a ship in game will cost its current RSI value + 15% + EP in game. Where for lower level ships EP=0, and EP increases with ship net value as a function of increased player earning potential and demand (so players exponentially drive up pricing with demand as a function of what they can earn - demand is likely driven by estimated return).

Based on this a Gladius, which is an entry level combat-ready ship will probably take about 45-60 hours to earn.

>>175471958
>working as human-npc
what did he mean by this

>>175487212
>+ 15%
Someone, I think it was Ben, was talking about a Polaris costing 30-40 times the current RSI value ingame, so the 15% estimation is probably too low.

>>175488463
That's where the +EP term comes in (assuming he wasn't talking about direct sales from RSI). Any person/group looking to buy a Polaris will have a high earning capacity, so the market value of the Polaris will float much higher than its base value due to demand.

I should add, the elephant in the room is supply. If the fictional ship factories pump out the ships at an infinite rate, and these prices are affordable (i.e., the market isn't driven by second-hand sales) they may set the market via these static prices. That said, that's a bad idea in terms of game design unless they are very certain of how much currency can be earned. On the other hand, if all high-value ships are sold on a limited supply/waiting list basis, or perhaps auctioned, the demand model makes sense.

>>175488946
** I should say due to demand AND purchasing power.

>>175484873
he could be German

Hey there guys I'm trying to grind fed rank currently in CEOs/sithis are there any better places to go ATM? Any info would be greatly appreciated

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does it bother anyone else when they fudge these huge looming moons? another example is in area 18 right now. you can see a big moon, but in crusader, none of the moons are within visual range of the planet, nor each other. there's a couple where you can see big crusader in the background, but not vice versa. I wonder if they'll move them closer to get this effect or save that for future systems. it would be impossible to keep faking it once you can fly seamlessly from surface to space.

>>175493316

Hey I know who you are... Hail Sothis!

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>>175494173
i'm always more concerned about how weird the ground textures look, especially in contrast to the rocks, and how they haven't really improved since first showing off the landscapes

I like how forumdads are impressed by chained missions. It took two years to get to this point.

>>175494173
>in area 18 right now
that's not the actual moon. its basically the equivalent of a skybox until 3.0

>>175494584
Fuck I don't know why I keep calling it sithis I'm fucking dumb

>>175493316
Seriously tho any good fed rank grind places ATM?

>>175481542
>We literally changed the course of the story
You literally changed the course of some faggots fanfiction.

>>175496342
I am fully aware of that. what I'm saying is that they continue to perpetuate a false idea of distances with stuff like >>175494173 where we know it's not a skybox, and they placed another moon absurdly close for a photoshoot.

>>175497517
>sperging out because they made a pretty screenshot
>not even E3 bullshit where its completely made up and will never exist
>but a moon being close

>>175496415
Nah man, keep doing it. You're essentially travelling through a formless black void while potentially committing murder, so it fits.

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>>175498034
>sperging out
calm yourself, autist. I am a cultist just like you, in for triple digits. it was just something that struck me as odd.

>>175498034
Go check out mitterand hollow if you have elite. It's a landable moon that orbits its planet around once a minute. You can get some really comfy screenshots if you're quick.

>>175498034
>where its completely made up and will never exist
but in truth, those two particular moons will never be that close, so it is indeed made up.

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Jared "disco faggot" Fuckbuddy annoys the fuck out of me, where is the chubby ginger? He was more tolerable.

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>>175498781
There might be *some* moons that are that close. Its entirely possible.

>>175462736
Use the archive. There used to be a download link for Astra in the old /edg/ OPs.

>>175493316
>>175497134
Just started grinding fed rank last night in Niu Hsing, donation missions are plentiful and you can run data courier missions to a nearby col sector system and back when you inevitably get bored of that. Went from lieutenant to post commander in around 3 hours. Happy grinding

>>175493316
>>175497134
>>175501646
Apparently 55 Ursae Majoris is still good for data missions too, but I haven't been there since 2.3 yet myself. Might be worth looking into.

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There is a type of gamer that gets excited by the idea of being a BTK-style mass murderer. They can't do it in real life as they would get arrested, so they live out their malevolent fantasies by doing every evil thing they can think of in gaming. I hope SC will have a substantial penalty system for these people that forces them to perma rage quit. Then there are the people who are so stupid that they can't learn to go through the airlock to get to the launch pads where their ship spawned so they demand insta-port into their cockpit. My hope is that the game is not dumbed down and these people lose interest in the PU and stick to Star Marine. I'm not trying to insult anyone, just giving my opinion based on 35+ years of gaming.

sc will never be finished, and what I mean by that is that there will never be a final version (excluding bugfixes) they can put on a CD and package to stores. It will be like Dwarf Fortress in perpetual development but will still sell like an actual game.

>>175508793
no shit sherlock

What's the latest from Derek Smart? Post some screenshots please I want to get entertained.

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>>175508793
whoa i never thought...

>>175508793
Wew lad.

>>175507573
the airlocks already asphyxiate you if you forget your space suit, it's hilarious. but the philosophy on griefing is a pretty laizzes-faire one; all punishments will be in fiction and appropriate to your in fiction crimes. kill somebody? you're branded a murderer and probably get a public bounty. annoy people by blocking lanes and being disruptive? annoying, but not illegal. find a way to deal with it.

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>>175485197
I got to agree here, it's not really that incredible by today standard but I started videogame with Half-life 1 and the best multiplayer game (with vehicle no less) was Tribes or Battlezone.

>>175494173
>filename
The current Alpha 2.6 has its zone as completely separate, but if you followed the 3.0 demo it's pretty clear that it is all seamless and they can put the moons at any distance they want.
There was an AtV where they moved the sun itself and you could see the illumination of nearby moon changing along.

>>175502209
Its great during off hours. You can usually fill your mission log with a couple flips. It gets slow during prime time. The neighboring system isnt bad for credit grinds either, you can stack high paying planetary scan missions and complete them with a single data point,

>>175510354
>it is all seamless and they can put the moons at any distance they want.
I know, god damn you. I'm just pointing out that they keep placing them close for these pretty demo shots but based on their system design philosophy thus far this will almost never actually occur in the final game. they space the moons and planets out beyond visible range by necessity to treat each one as a hub with it's own business happening throughout it's local space. these alarmingly close orbits contradict that entirely. not a big deal, not 'omg scam', just an observation.

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>check AtV
>find myself trying to make every dev more attractive in my head so I can actually bother hearing their words

I mean, what's up? Don't they have mirrors at CiG? Some of these fellas just need a haircut and some gym time.

>>175514040
>being this vapid

>>175514482

>using words you don't know the meanings of

You killed the thread. Congrats, goon!