/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

I love megaten!

Asking here because the persona general is cancer incarnate, but what do you think about playing through P5 without ever touching any of the social links?
I haven't started it yet but I keep hearing how broken a lot of them are and how easy the game gets, would playing on Hard and just ignoring social links make it more of a good challenge or just make the game awful to play?

What is persona and shin megami tensei and how are they connected

What are some SMT games where Luck is a really good stat

How the fuck do I beat Izanami in Final? After she uses Diarahan the first time she uses Concentrate, then Smile Charges and uses Megidolaon on the same turn. Then I run out of MP anyway because she uses that shitty curse move and hiroshi doesn't heal nearly enough to be useful

Playing on apocalypse difficulty btw

>>175372560
SLinks are really badly balanced in p5. If you don't use them the game gets tedious but if you use them the game becomes too easy after the 1st palace

Just use them, there's no reason not to and some of them are pretty cool

>>175372560
Hard is sometimes unfair. Confidants aren't as broken as they are made out to seem. You'd have to intentionally grind with confidant levels at are certain point, it doesn't happen by accident. Besides, social links are the point of a persona game.

If you really care about difficulty, download merciless mode.

>>175372560
P5 is about 1/3 dungeon crawling and 2/3 confidant/spending days.

You find it incredibly dull I think if you just focus on a small percentage of the game as a whole.

At any rate most of the confidant perks that break the game are optional.

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>>175372560
I played the game on Hard and I didn't think there was any OP confidant aside from maybe Strength. There are two certain confidants that are great time savers but they're very much needed since the game loves to waste your time as much as possible and you have to worry about your social stats too.

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What does /smtg/ think of the demon redesigns in Apocalypse

>>175372560
Strength and Hermit are the ones that are super broken, if you really want to make the game harder you can just ignore those two.
If you ignore SLinks period you will have almost nothing to do for 2/3 of the game and it will be really fucking boring

>>175372560
Sounds like a horrible idea.

And honestly, the game's difficulty is badly balanced, as most of the game heavily relies in doing All Out Attacks; and if you don't do that, you will be lucky if you survive past the enemy's round.

>>175373483
They're much better. Although I won't miss them if they never come back.

Koga Saburo, Minotaur, Mermaid are the only new designs I'm fond of.

>>175373483
They're okay but I hope they never use them again.

>>175372890
>Debilitate / Venomous Raga
>Luster Candy
>Magaon

>>175373964
>Minotaur
>Mermaid
That's some pretty superb taste you have there anon.

>>175372890
hiroshi attacks = no diarahan

>>175374906
Krishna is after the Cosmic Egg right? Kinda don't want to put off the fight hat long. Also magaon's useless because she smile charges the same turn she uses megidaloan or dark grudge. I am running luster candy but megidolaon does ridiculous damage and cant even miss thanks to smirk, plus she has silent prayer.

Original or Remixed music for P2?

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>>175373760
>All Out Attacks
By last third I had regular attacks do more damage, than all out attacks. That shit is ridiculous.
>>175373483
They kinda look too cartoony, I prefer the SMTIV ones. While I cede that all new designes are terribly cluttered, I really hope that SMTV will either retain them, or at the very least make new designs influenced by these. I'm sick and tired of seeing the same old ones reused again and again for over a decade.

>>175372560
P3P was my first megaten game and I dropped the social links because it sounded retarded, then I couldn't reach another level of that boring dungeon and I almost dropped megaten forever.

Only with SMT4 I started liking this franchise, then played all the PS2/DS/3DS games, minus Devil Survivor because it looks like a Persona game.

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SMT x Edo period

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>>175378756
SMT x Kazuki Takahashi

>>175378756
SMT x Okami

>>175373483
>remake a Garo design
>add tits, the rest is the fucking same

Doi is a hack without originality.

>>175378756
SMT x Post Civil-War America

>>175372560
No, use them. The only one I've maxed which I consider broken are Hermit and Strength, Strength especially since the requirements are so fucking easy for it and it grants you no level restriction on fusing so long as you have enough Yen. Although I do think maxing Strength makes the game way more fun.

Hard mode has been unfair at times but overall is pretty mediocre. At best it'll stop you from clearing dungeons in a single day if you're not good enough.

Lets settle this once and for all

Nocturne is not that good and has aged poorly.

Discuss.

So what stats do I level in DDS? I've been currently dumping everything into STR, at 50 now, and since HP doesn't grow with level ups I assume I'd need some VIT; AGI or Luck.

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>>175379981
I agree.

>>175379981
Wrong.
>>175380003
Should've gone MAG instead since Magic defense is tied to it. VIT is fine too I guess.

>>175379981
>Not that good
It's good but overrated
>Aged poorly
Nah

>>175373483
I definitely like the cleaner look.

>>175379981
I think it's fine, I certainly wouldn't mind a remaster with some quality of life improvements but I'd have to actually think about what those should be.

>>175379981
It didn't age at all to be honest. The cellshading and sterile environments make it look great even today and the gameplay is just as solid as the day it came out.

>>175380205
Being able to choose skills when you fuse demons and maybe a full list of the skills each Magatama gives you but that's about it. IVbabies will also want to save everywhere but they're retarded. Nocturne has aged like fine wine, really.

>>175380092
>Nocturne
>overrated

Its rated exactly where it should be, its the best game in the series.

>>175379981
No discussion, you are wrong.

>>175380350
>IVbabies will also want to save everywhere but they're retarded.
I will never understand this. There's a save point before almost every boss besides the Amala Labryinth.

>>175373483
I like almost all the new demon designs, odin's redesign, medusa's redesign, and satan's redesign.

Everything else is all right but I wouldn't care much if they never return.

Honestly Doi seems to be a good successor to kaneko, kaneko has his fair share of shit designs as well

>>175380350
I don't want to be able to pick the skills when fusing stuff. It'd break a lot of the game and cause the same shit games like IV suffers from where things just stop being remotely challenging because every demon you have starts becoming way too versatile in what they can do.

>>175373483
Some of them are better, but they need to do another complete redesign if they bring them back.

But considering the new SMT has the new Odin design, I won't count on it.

>>175380814
>I don't want to be able to pick the skills when fusing stuff
Me neither but that shit is mandatory these days. I want to know how the fusion is gonna work on DEEP.

>>175380706
>kaneko has his fair share of shit designs as well
I'm not trying to bash you or anything but I am curious to know which ones you don't like.

I wish Doi could redesign Jack Frost and its recolors.

>>175381289
Heresy. It'd look roughly the same anyway, his design is that simple.

>>175380814
And everyone will always try to do the same thing in Nocturne, but you reroll for 30 minutes or until you get bored.

Just cut to the chase and let players fuse demons however they want like in 4:A, or don't let demons learn skills that contradict their design or lore like in P5 and PQ.

I know someone is gonna bash me for saying this, but the affinity system is the best way to balance free fusions.

>>175380814
4 wasn't challenging simply because bosses weren't very hard and enemies couldn't really fuck your shit up because they were too weak.

Final is a great example of how to do the 'pick any skill' system right, because you can't just shove any skill you want onto demons due to affinities and bosses (at least certain ones like sukuna-hikona, yhvh, or vishnu-flynn) actually have the firepower to destroy you regardless of how you build your demons

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>>175381289
What went wrong?

>>175372672
Timeline wise Persona is chronological sequel to one of the Raidou games

As for the game themselves they are spiritual sequel of SMT If...

>>175381457
>And everyone will always try to do the same thing in Nocturne
Only because most people that are here know what everything is and does by now, no matter if they played the game or not. When I originally played it I had no idea that Daisoujou was broken or that Kurama had the strongest single target magic nuke. If you want to reroll for half an hour until you get the skillset you want then that's on you, not the game. The game encourages you to swap demons out regularly and not just fuse a Daisoujou with 10/10 skillset and keep it for 90% of the game.

Honestly I almost wish we'd go back to set skillsets. Maybe have 1 or 2 skills you can inherit at most.

>>175381510
My problem with the affinity system is that it was nowhere near severe enough and straight up did not matter for a lot of skill types. If they increased the cost for off-affinity skills further or just straight up locked you from inheriting things that the demon doesn't have an affinity for then maybe.

>>175381095
Agathion, Valkyrie, Azazel, Seraph, Aramisaki, Ouroboros, off the top of my head from more recent games. DDS also has all my favorite Kaneko art and my least favorite, Indrajit or whatever his name was I think being the biggest offender. Been a while since I can remember artwork done for older games than that but i do dislike the old archangels a lot

>>175372560
The slinks story's themselves for the most part are really good and regarded as the best.

Mainly becuase otherthen your teammates and the local school shooter who is moon ofc, every other Slink are with adults. Who knew that persona would improve if you slowly take away highschool bullshit and add in SMT shit on it?

Set it to hard I fucked up first playthrough and played it on normal. I liked it alot but hated P3 and P4 for different reasons.

>Atlus creates a a fully fledged HD ps4 remake for SMT1 and proceeds to use the assets to help make remakes for SMT2. if, and Devil Summoner

How excited would you be?

>>175379981
played it for the first time last year and it aged well. i didn't find anything about it's mechanics to be dated or annoying.

>>175382128
>demon has 150 SP
>good debuff skill costs 40 or 60 SP because demon has a negative affinity
>in battle you will have to chose between making that demon cast that one skill two times to then turn it useless, or let it fight through the whole match with the skills it specializes in

It feels good enough.
And it applies to damage skills as well, since they do less damage and you will only cast them to get an extra turn.
Maybe they could make the cost numbers grow depending on their level, but the free fusions and affinities are just plain better than randomized skills.

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>>175380706
To be fair, they were redraws of pure shit. Doi made em salvagable and decent so props to him. His OG stuff is great though. Krishna, Mephitos, Odin and I also liked his redraws of the SMT protags alot. Kaneko > Doi > Soijma > Yasuda

>>175382959
That sounds cool but they'll fuck it up somehow.

>>175383063
Alignments are now replaced by slinks with each representatives?

>>175372672
Yeah I'd say they're pretty poor although I do like Azazel's and Seraph's personally. You're right about Indrajit.

>>175383747
>Understand why the girl next door is fucking a lawfag
>learn how based Ozawa was showing a world of STR to chaosfags
>waifu Lilith and reverse link
I'll buy it

>>175383058
Is his freaky little arm ever explained in the game?

>>175384392
Yes, but it's a spoiler.

>>175384392
Yes, right at the very end of the Neutral Route and the Law Route.

>>175379981
Replayed it some months ago and thought it was fine. I do agree that it isn't all that good though.

>>175382959
As long as Yasuda does all the art, extremely.

So we've all come to terms with the fact that Persona 5 is the best SMT game ever made correct? How are you coping?

>>175384392
that's where dagda was sealed in vanilla IV

>>175386510
Persona 5 is an excellent game and there's nothing wrong with that.

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>>175386510
Maybe SMT shouldn't have been retarded and stayed on a shitty handheld for 15 years and thinking it's okay to put in a mediocre effort because your core fanbase will buy whatever trash you try to feed them

>>175386510
Unironically yes.

>>175386745
I find it pretty funny that in 4 there's a quest mandatory to Neutral Route that requires you to get dagda's cauldron, and then Apoc came out and dagda still doesn't have his cauldron

probably why he's so pissed off in the game

>>175387106
I don't understand how IV and IV:A just have that disgusting flaw away from being the best SMT games

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>New Raidou Kuzunoha game
>Developed by Platinum

Would you get it /smtg/?

>>175387959
>Platinum
Eh. They didn't butcher Automata so maybe?

>>175387959
>Raidou x DMC game

Would you get it?

>>175388062
>They didn't butcher Automata so maybe?

Uhh they pretty much did though?

I wanna try one of the older titles. Think I should go for Kyuuyaku or SMT first?

>>175388062
The radiou games are generally simple but it feels like they can have a fun battle system simular towards automata but instead of having pod you can switch the demons you obtained with different spells they have.

>>175388508
It could've been so much worse but it turned out fine.
>>175388570
The pod was so underwhelming in Automata, OG Nier had the superior spells.

>>175388539
I haven't played Kyukakku and should probably get around to it. SMT I is definitely worth it though if you can stomach how much its aged.

>>175388539
I say SMT 1 then 2 then KMT
Lots of refrences to the first 2 SMT but none of KMT in newer SMT. Just started to replay Nocturne on hard and the amala battle sounds alot like SMT 1 battle music.

Also KMT 1 is pure dungeon crawling I like it but I got lost and forgot where to go. Ill look up a guide on what to do after Nocturne on hard. They are a bit slow but with emulation just fast forward when you think the game is to slow for you

>>175388874
>>175388917
Thanks.

I'll go with SMT then. Think I will try it out with the map hack. But I'm not sure yet.

>>175388769
I guess they didn't "butcher" it but Automata easily had the potential to be so much better as a game. Platinum at the very least usually has great boss fights and Automata's were all pretty much legit trash save for like 1 or 2 that were okay. Everything else about the combat was just painfully mediocre. I guess I was expecting that Automata was going to be much more than just barely better than the first Nier.

>>175389454
>just barely better than the first Nier.
That's all I wanted it to be.

>>175389454
It's really a shame the bosses overall sucked so much. The only really good boss is the opera one, the rest range from mediocre to palate swaps of mediocre. It's not really Platinum's fault they had to work with pennies though, blame SE if anything. I think it's pretty amazing that Taro and they managed to develop a game like Automata when they probably had less money to play with total than went into a single one of XV's trailers.

>>175389076
You should try out the map hack. It'll help exploration a lot since opening the map can be an absolute pain at times.

>>175389557
I meant just gameplay-wise.

Honestly I found Automata to be a downgrade in a lot of other areas compared to Nier. The main cast especially. Thankfully at least the side-quests weren't tedious bullshit this time around as once again some of the best character interactions are in them.

I still really enjoyed the game and its my favorite of the big releases this year so far despite its flaws.

Ending E made me cry like a bitch

>>175388508
>being this contrarian

>>175394092
wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg

>>175394959
/cm?

I'm playing through SMT 1 ps1 version right now and its pretty easy is SMT 1 the easiest or something? I'm new to the series and decided to try out the mainline games instead of persona also what can I expect from SMT 2 - 4?

>>175396001
1 and 2 are auto-attack games

>>175386510
Why? Seriously, why? Is the jump in quality from P4 so shocking that people are blinded as fuck because of it? While I'm enjoying P5, I still think it's overall very slow and formulaic, constantly attached to a shitty calendar system. I honestly don't understand this level of praise. I liked IV:A tons more despite the garbage writing.

>>175396176
>Taking a Shintoist seriously
Yea P5 is actually a good game unlike P3 and P4 but even though its half VN I liekd it more then SMTIV:A becuase SMTIV:A pissed me off. The friends of IV:A are some how more moeblod/tropy then those in P5

>>175394092
I admit my post was a bit hyperbolic, but do you really think that Automata's combat was anything but underwhelming?

>>175396603
But P3 is better than P5

>>175396627
Compared to fucking what

>>175396805
>>>>/pg/
>No negoations
>Shit combat
>cant control party members
>tartures
>Other then like 3 Slinks they are all either meh or awful
Please

>>175397367
Why does it have to be compared to something?

The bosses were mostly terrible, the combat balancing was a joke (mainly because of dodge spam being so powerful) enemy variety was trash, and the enemies in general were not nearly aggressive enough. (this was especially apparent in the shootemup sections which got stale very fucking quick) Difficulty balancing was an absolute joke. You literally could not die in normal mode because enemies did so little damage and you could pause the game and heal back up to full health whenever you wanted. In hard mode you died in 1-2 hits right off the bat. There was no middle ground where the game could be fun, but challenging. It was either braindead easy or lmao you die in 1-2 hits. You also play as a character for about half of the game who is just a gimped version of the other characters you play as if you ignore the hacking minigame, which was also shit and added nothing to the gameplay.

>>175398886
Because you called the gameplay underwhelming

Compared to what

>>175398886
Hard mode was fine if you used chips or you know, dodged the incredibly obvious telegraphed attacks like in any other Platinum game.

>>175396603
Honestly IV:A's story is mostly great except for the party. It's like Atlus is subtly encouraging people to do Dagda ending

>>175387316
>no quest where you look for his big stick and cauldron

To have the fights with Dante in Nocturne do I have to go through the amala dungeons or nah? Playing on hard and while the base game is't ball bustingly hard, the first Kalpa sure is so I wanna wait but I dont wanna mess any Dante fights.

>>175401667
Pretty much any other platinum game or any game with semi-decent combat.

>>175401667
The issue isn't just that hard mode is stupidly punishing, it's that normal it's brain dead easy. There needed to be a good middle ground. Also, even if the difficulty scaling was fixed the healing system still ruins it. The game still isnt hard when you die in 2 hits because you can horde healing items and pause the game at any time to heal back up to full health. If an action game is only hard when you die in 1 hit, it's poorly designed.

>>175406726
yes you have to complete the kalpa for dante fights

>>175407064

Also meant for

>>175399646

>>175407064
>Pretty much any other platinum game or any game with semi-decent combat.

Can you name 10 games in the same genre that has better combat in the history of all of video games

What kind of demons/team do I need to fuck up Stephen in the SMTIV:A dlc?

>>175408330
You don't get any demons for that. Just give it a shot, it isn't terribly reliant on your level and stats..

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well, that was fun

>>175408941
What Persona game is this?

>>175408941
nicely done

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Playing DeSu and just started day 3 (just saved Haru). Am I complete shit, or am I supposed to be just barely squeaking by on some of these fights?

I tried grinding a bit, but the regular grind fight doesn't do anything for skill cracks with minuscule XP gains while the hard grind fight is set to bullshit extreme.

I just need to know if I suck, if this is just the way it is, or if I'm supposed to grind my way to victory with thousands of tiny little skirmishes.

>>175409789
That's just kinda the way it is until you stumble upon one of the couple super broken things later on. As long as you can clear fights, even if it's with difficulty, you are good and probably shouldn't grind. It's just not really worth your time for the most part

>>175410309
good to know. thank you very much.

>>175409789
Grinding for skill cracks is A-ok
Make sure you dont let any leader die and also make sure no one dies in events. Have a save slot when you just wake up just in case.

And you might be shit but the game can be hard at time. Crack skills and keep note of your demons racail. Chaos Wave + Double up = Artillery Strikes, Devil speed + Chaos wave is also good.

>>175410481
>Make sure you dont let any leader die

Like, ever? Or in plot related battle type situations?
I ask because Atsuro died in that Haru battle I fought, but he got XP in the little end battle thing and was in the conversation directly after. Did that add some secret behind the scenes anti-bro points or something?

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>>175411075
Ever
and its not that you unlock a secreat but you get a medel and these medals allow you to unlock more stuff into NG+ such as skill cracks, compendium auctions etc etc. If you already saved then no biggie. Just make sure no one actually dies in story segment.

If person X is going to kill themselves make sure you save X or if Z is going to do something stupid making Z get killed saved Z if not they die permanently since they died in the story and you lose a title/medal. Its also just more fun to make sure everyone gets out alive in this lock down.

Also go LAW. It's not shit and is the best in game

Why don't people like IV?

>>175411683
Not enough bananacakes

>>175411683
>Most new demon desighns are shit
>No dungeons
I think that is about it? I dont think people actually HATE IV more just its, to them the weakest mainline. I dont hold that view though becuase Nocturne's random fusion skills and how the MC gets skills is ass. Demon whisper is cool as fuck both the function AND the whole feel to it. Hope its in SMT V

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i played smt iv as my first smt and got the chaos route ask me anything

>>175412085
how many cocks do you suck

>>175412212
at least your mom

>>175412397
i'm sorry but i just don't believe you only suck one cock. tell the truth.

>>175412085
Did you like the ending? The chaos route is pretty cool

Has anyone played Demikids? They were my first SMT games and I'm replaying them now and noticing all the connections between the main games and this one.

I was confused why as a kid I needed to side with with the devil

>>175412085
Who's favorite demon and why is it Mothman?

>>175413008
>pretty cool
>toyko is shit lets make it not only MORE shit but make Mikado the homeland you swore to protect pure shit
>pretty cool

Chaos is lame

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>>175412397
milf futa demons when

>>175413325
Well you become the ruler of it all and there are endless possibilities for both tokyo and mikado

>>175413325
>lets make it more shit
to be fair no one probably cares about tokyo anymore and is just raiding the surface

>mikado the homeland you swore to protect
Yeah up until you realized it was a backwater shithole run by eldritch looking dictators with a class system that deliberately put down the strong or curious

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>>175413789
That is why you go neutral senpai

where is the SMT 1 hero edit of this I forgot to save it last time it was posted

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>>175414126

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>>175386510

This is gonna blow your mind but you can have fun with persona 5 and also still enjoy smt.

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>>175414126
>neutral
my nigga

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This is Asmodeus.

>>175415294
Is this show as lewd as it looks?

>>175415294
Cool.

Is this Asmodeus submissive?

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>>175415294
>yurishit

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>>175415331
Its literally SMT x Queen's Blade with Lucifer's lewd origin as a Demon Lord.

>>175415451
Asmodeus is a dom.

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>>175415671
Damn, it's yurishit? To the trash it goes.

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>>175415671
>yurishit
Why.

>>175414126
>Not just nuking that shithole called Tokyo out of existence

So its been decided that SJ and Nocturne are both overrated and are mid-tier games at best, correct?

>>175416583
Wrong

>>175416808
Write.

>>175416583
Maybe Nocturne, but SJ is a 10/10 game.

>>175416583
Ronde is the only good Atlus game

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fucking play it

>>175417012
Fucking translate it

>>175417012

死ね

>>175414209
Thanks senpai

>>175414372
I like how you said "can have fun with persona 5" and just not persona in general.

Other then P1-P2 is P5 the only agreed upon "decent' Persona game here?

I want to fuck Lucifer-sama.

>>175416583
SJ definitely, but Nocturne is a 10/10 game

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>>175417071
>>175417329
JUST FUCKING PLAY IT

>>175416583
Yes and P5 is the undisputed opus of SMT

>>175416583
Maybe SMT, but TMS is a 10/10 game

Jackbros > Demikids dark >>> Persona 4 DAN > Persona 4 Arena > Demikids Light > TMS >>> Demikids DS > shit > dog shit > chaosfag shit > everything else

man i'm at the ikeburo subway in nocturne fighting the four onis and im just dwelling on the fact that all my demons suck and have no skills that i need. it's like i had the worst luck continually recruiting demons that don't give a wide variety of options to recruit.

i have two fiends too which aren't bad but fuck i don't know what to do

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>try to take lil' shingo/six each room in Haunted House
>it pisses his onee-san off
>one demon does 2/3 of my health with one spell
>onee-san charms my Zeed which was fused with Izanami to give it Megidolaon and Mudoon (this is NG+)
>it deals over 800 damage to my MC and Nemissa
>my face

>>175416583
SJ is definitely overrated

Holy fuck Stephan boss fight is cancer
He smirks himself during the messaih fight and then one shots my whole time the fuck am I suppose to do?

How many people in this thread know moon, anyway?

>>175423259
kill your friends?

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>>175422683
Raidou 1 most underrated one.
>dat final dungeon

>>175423259
Are you serious?

Nigger, bring Magaon, Doping, Dekaja and Dekunda.

>>175423779
He uses during the messiah phase. Pair production

They are fucking scrubs and dont have Magaon so when it goes back to my turn, I get shreded.

>>175424419
Aleph has Sonic Shot, which removes smirk.

>>175424660
Wow am an idiot thanks. Also just noticed the item tab. I havent touched SMTIV:A since the DLC was launched but skiped Stephan for reasons.

is there any rule or rhyme to why in nocturne some skills won't transfer over to demons in fusion? i mean the ones that refuse to show up each time you recycle possible fusions

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>>175373483
Imagine Doi's face when Yamai asked him to redraw this shit with proper lighting in mind.

if you were only allowed to play one SMT game for the rest of time which one would it be

>>175425798
just Pokemon shit where they hate the element they're weak against, etc.

It makes individual demons stand out more if you can't transfer every single skill every time IMO.

>>175426584
Your mom

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literally better than every P5 girl

>>175426773
my moms dead

>>175426883
Try not to feel too bad.

>>175372560
Those Social links legit make me cringe hard
I am a crazy trophy guy so if you need to romance to get a trophy i am not even finish this game.

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What's your favorite SMT quote?
Mine is EYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

>>175427043
>cringe

Cringe.

>>175427104
too much anime for my taste
is like watching those garbage harem anime
so is there trophy for romance or not?

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>>175427056
Pic related

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>>175413131

How long is Eridanus? I'm only on the first floor right after meeting Jack and I'm already done with this bullshit

>>175427026
underrated post

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Anyone got the pic of all the messiahs holding up Stephen's defeated corpse? Once I remembered that the secondary team had items while tense as fuck (hands were shacking) I managed to beat him. I was on Conflict/Normal though. And I was in NG+

>>175428108
>i was on conflict/normal though.
doesn't count, boyo.

gotta beat the ultimate neutralfag on apocalypse if you want those bragging rights.

>>175428259
>cant change the difficulty in the dungeon
Why the fuck not atlus? Not gonna lie, after beating SMT 1 and 2 seeing Hero and Aleph again was cool as fuck. Beast kind of fanservice

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How can mainline even compete?

>>175429294
By having every mainline game actually fun to play.

>>175429294
By being a real RPG in wihch you can control the characters

See: >>175429456

>>175429294
Like the story and writing are good and stuff but god dam is everything else pure shit

P4 on the other hand, the combat is serviceable but the writing and cast is pure ass

>>175429294
This is nearly as bad as the american ICO boxart.

>>175429614
I never really paid attention, but yeah, it's really bad. The blue box is way better.

P1 and P2IS have the best covers in Persona.

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>>175427056

>>175372450
>General is fucked because of persona faggots
>why you hate persona fans again?
see you until they show more of the HD project.
Stay alive and fuck personafags and lawfags

>>175430010
>SMTfag gets triggered at the mere mention of Persona

lol

>>175430010
>>175430286
What'd they mean by this?

>>175429294
Am I sane if I try to solo The Answer on a first playthrough?

What difficulty do I have to run in SMT4a to be able to do everything? War?

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>/smtg/ in 2015

>Someone with autism bought raidou cosplay to wear outside with the cape, just to hang out and got insecure that people told him how stupid that was, and fled the board forever once he got mocked. Someone came back a year later insisting they were him, but no one knows for sure.

>A lot of pointless arguments asking whether feminists from tumblr were invading the board to troll last year based on no evidence.

>Someone desperate for attention posting their dick every time they could for a month or so, and getting repeatedly banned. They insisted that this was an attempt to clear out the board of feminists, but in all likelihood, they just wanted attention. Also, their dick was fuck ugly and looked like plastic.

>Someone posting long tracts about why law is the best, and why you should use anal beads who changed alignment discussions forever. Apparently plans on starting a megaten religion in real life.

>Everyone got together and "ironically" had a group jerkoff session where they pretended that if they were only doing it ironically it didn't count. And realized after the fact that they still did it, despite it originally being a troll plan. And have been filled with shame ever since.

>A lot of people with autism drove most of the board away three months ago, drawing the amount of posts to a halt, because they insist that there should be no posts for some reason, and a lot of people got fed up dealing with them and left. People are slowly coming back though.

Have we improved or not?

>>175432182
No.

Also the new character is extremely useful there.

>>175432592
I think you should leave.

>>175432487
I don't think there's any difficulty locked content in it but play on War it's normal in Japanland

>>175432592
>bait
>brigade faggotry
>faggotposter
>Beadman
>meme
>meme

Basically nothing happened except shitposters got banned and faggots memed that the jews were exiled from SMTG through the desert

>>175432592
I'm glad 2015 was the year I skipped.

>>175432592
>2015

there's your problem

>>175411075
If you're playing Overclocked then guest deaths don't count

Also not >>175411406 but most of the routes are pretty good, Chaos is also fun but it's maybe the one SMT game where Law isn't shit

>>175434634
Yes all routes are great but actual spoilers not meme spoilers that some of you fags use but making Noaya's plan backfire on him was great fun. And him coming to save his brother was also cool as fuck on the 8th day

>>175429604
The girls are cute though

>>175435106
Cute girls don't make a good game anon.
>>>/pg/

>>175432592
>Someone desperate for attention posting their dick every time they could for a month or so, and getting repeatedly banned. They insisted that this was an attempt to clear out the board of feminists, but in all likelihood, they just wanted attention. Also, their dick was fuck ugly and looked like plastic.

I feel like this is much more common than it should be

>>175435216
Yes mainline proved that as well

Is MAG the best way to go in 4:a like in 4 or has STR been improved?

>>175435418
Everything has been approved I think world of Dex is best in SMTIV:A though.

>>175427276
i haven't seen anyone say "fuck you" in nocturne yet, what gives??

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Vote for best mainline game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/11542461
Vote for best spinoff game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/12100304

votang

>>175435878
That's his name, probably.

>>175436259
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12100304
>persona 3-4-5 over 1 and 2
you guys are faggots

Is there any way to play NINE in english?

>>175436853
Casuals vote for Persona

Men vote for Debisama

Why do people think Nocturne and SJ are overrated? What do you people think should actually be considered the best games in the series?

>>175438426
Nocturne isn't really overrate now imo but for a while people were praising it as some secret hidden gem only the coolest cool kids even heard of.

It's kind of like how people hyped up Soul Hackers before it actually did get localized

>>175438426
SJ probably because people generally dislike first person dungeon crawlers, especially with some of the teleporter maze/damage tiles/dark zone shenanigans. Also the combat isn't as good as other smt titles.

>>175438590
But nocturne is an amazing game you faggot. Name me one non SMT related traditional Jrpg that on the PS2 that is better
>SH
SH is pretty good

>>175439172
Dungeons are great in SJ but the combat really is kinda meh compared to other SMT games. Shame DSJ wont have Press turn

>>175439172
>people generally dislike first person dungeon crawlers

Fuckin plebs

>>175439836
Trial and Error pathing with damage tiles can go suck a dick.

>>175439930
Plebs hate turn based games too, it's why they're slowly dying out.

>doing well on Stephen on war
>gets two crits out of nowhere bid way with 2 debiltates on him
>ok whatever
>it does't stop

Either I got really unlucky or this cripple fuck is cheating

>>175438426
Honestly people hype Nocturne a lot but I ended up being disappointed when I played it. The atmosphere and gameplay were really fucking neato but I got kind of bored with it after a while.

Just finished SJ, and I loved it. Is Nocturne's story as good? Thinking about playing that next

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>>175446619
>Nocturne
>story

>>175446901
I asked because I hadn't played it. I guess it's just collect candelabra, kill some friends, then Lucifer?

>Stephan on WAR
Oh wow he does moves he does not do at all on conflict neato.
>Got him down to red
>died
This is frustrating.

>>175447351
Play on Apocalypse, babby

>>175447536
and bring a relic of revival so you don't get MA'd

>>175447536
After I beat him up in war.
I just noticed I dont have a ring equipped. What is the recommended gear to fight this dude? Since his elemental magic moves pierce something that resists physical?

>>175447691
Demonica, so every SMT protag at least is represented in some way

>>175372450

I'm playing SMT IV right now and I just beat the demon who was maintaining the barrier around Ikebukuro. How long is it until I get the cynical man to tell me my alignment, and how long after that is the alignment lock? I'm asking because I want to go neutral but it seems like it's pretty hard to get into that route since you can't constantly monitor your alignment like in SJ

>>175423456
I know elementary Japanese, so I can at least read enough to recognize demon/spell names and some minor kanji (I know how to write 'shin megami tensei' for instance).

>>175436259
no mt2 no vote

>>175427056
ARE YOU READY~?
Atropos's "Uwah!" is also stuck in my head.

>>175447629
Where do I get this

And how do the fiend weapons from twisted Tokyo work again? Its been a long time.

>>175447905
The alignment lock is quite some ways. The game tricks you into thinking the lock is alot sooner, but then you will know when it comes. Also their is a guide in the OP to help you get the nuetrel route

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>>175432592
>Have we improved or not?
Yes.

>>175448065
go to Ginza

>>175448220
Thank you, ill give it one more shot and if I can't get to red again, ill go get more support/healing demons and get better gear.

>>175448335
You'll want to save that relic of revival until you fight him on Apocalypse-mode, trust me.

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>>175427026

>>175448371
Will do. I hate it when you get so close to killing a boss, then after 4 hours you can;t come close again.

I went Dex/Gun did I fuck up for a Apocalypse Stephan boss fight? Its been a while but I forgot if gun builds were up to par

SO

Looks like we agreed with SMT Games Tier List

Top Megatens are:

Nocturne
Baroque
Folklore
Galerians
Knights in the Nightmare
Maken X
Catherine

Great Megatens are:

P2 IS
DDS (both)
NINE

Everything else tier:

everything else

>>175448682
>Folklore
When did this become a meme?

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so if I am getting this right, as far as gameplay and polish of gameplay goes, pic related is the best in the franchise but in terms of story, it is the worst?

>>175448795
Probably at the same time that this did too

>>175448682
>Looks like we agreed

>>175448682
>no El shaddai
>no asura's wrath
>no devil may cry
shit tier

>>175448905
but Asura Wrath is a movie
but EL Shaddai is like Spyro game, not SMT
but DMC Featuring Dante From Devil May Cry. or you meant Detroit Metal City the game?

maybe i should've include TWEWY, what do you think? i mean, it's Square, but it is still good.

>>175448824
something like that

>>175448824
Yeah

Are almighty skills good against YHWH? Someone said he resisted them, but Flynn and Satan can use them just fine?

>>175448824
Its not the story per say but the characters and how the react to the story and stuff

does anyone have that kornheiser of Demifiend with his mouth open which says "ow my balls"

>>175448824

>story is bad

Is this really the case, in comparison to other SMT games? I've only seen SMTfags not liking it because it has waifus but I've not seen people say the story itself is exceptionally bad. I haven't played it myself yet but I bought it with SMT IV and I'm partway through the first one

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>SMT1
>going to Tokyo Destinyland to kill Echidna after killing Haniel
>go over the first luck test
>LMAO CURSED
>go get cured, go back to luck test
>LMAO FROGGED
>go get cured, go back to luck test
>LMAO CURSED
>out of money
Fuck this gay eareth

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>>175415294
nah, this is asmodeus

>>175451624
>Is this really the case, in comparison to other SMT games?
Not as such, no. The story itself is okay most of the time, if a little far-fetched. The writing and characters are what bother most people - the majority of the cast are incredibly out of place within SMTIV's universe and never act the way you'd expect of teenagers living in a warzone on the cusp of collapse. All the incessant droning of love and friendship really does feel like something you'd expect out of Persona, not mainline SMT.

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>>175449202
>>175448682
aaaaaaaaaaaaaand i forgot this one SHin Megami Tensei game

it's pretty SMT, you know

I didnt notice just how many VAs from apocalypse are in p5, and also how much better the sound quality is in apocalypse, I know p5 probably has more lines to record but man they do sound like different people sometimes

>>175453579
Eng or jap?
>Asahi and Futaba are voiced by the same person in english
>sisterfu

>>175452528
>randomized dungeons
It's persona

>>175453579
>>175455167
>Japanese Dagda is Shido
>English Dagda is MC
What did they mean by this?

>>175455491
>You'll never see it coming boyo

>>175455491
STANDING HERE
I REALIZE

>persona
>>>>175445334

>>175455662
>muh pointless us vs them bullshit
>>>/pol/

>>175455628
I SAID MY GODSLAYER WAS A TOOL OF ANARCHY
NOT USED IN BONDS NOT USED FOR FRIENDSHIP BUT NOW
NOW IM NOT SO SURE
AND BESIDES THIS ISNT MY GODSLAYER

>>175451870
desu you should of just stuck with the curse, I might be wrong but I don't think you can be frogged while you're cursed. It's not too hard to deal with. Just heal before the Echidna fight.

>>175456986
I just reloaded, like hell I was dealing with that shit. I'm right before the great flood prompt now trying to fuse some good neuter demons for the last leg of the game.

>>175456986
can't* be frogged while you're cursed. My bad.

>>175457296
Have fun navigating that shit.

>>175457296
You beat 4 kings at this point and you're going via Ginza entrance right?

>>175455776
>muh pointless us vs them bullshit
are you an actual retard?
why would there be two generals if not to have them separated?
anon I'm sorry that you have brain damage but that doesn't entitle you to just imply stuff that simply is not there. I didn't say persona way bad I enjoy the games but unlike you and other know that the discussion should be kept in its general, just as i would not go to persona general to talk about smt

>>175455662
>giving a shit
This is an SMT general but no one gives a fuck if spinoffs are talked about.
No waifushit and it's just easily ignored.

>SMT = Megaten
you've got only yourselves to blame for this, and maybe atlus

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>>175455474
but my persona is SMT game, it doesn't have randomised dungeons

>>175457771
No, you fuck off, this general is for the discussion of the whole franchise.
Persona is just as much a part of the franchise as DDS, Devil Summoner and Devil Survivor is.
If I want to compare persona to other games in the franchise I come here, if you don't like it you can just fuck off.

>>175458163
>Implying Megami Tensei has been relevant since the mid 90s

>>175455474
don't forget the lovecraft influence.

>>175458321
>to brain damaged to go to the appropriate general
>being this mad because he know hes wrong
>telling people that want to talk about the appropriate subject to fuck off so faggots like himself can chat about semi off topic subjects that has its own general
I am getting the feeling that you are american, come back when you have gained a proper education

>>175459316
Did you just google for "arguing techniques that might work on retards"?
You are
1. implying that because a general exists the subject can't be talked about anywhere else
2. ignorant on why the split happened in the first place
3. not contributing to any actual discussions and just trying to show which "team" you are on for god knows what reason

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>>175457608
Yep. I witnessed Chaos and Law heroes yelling at each other from across a hallway, good shit. I do like that both heroes still consider you friend even up to the cathedral entrance. I enjoy the different interactions you get with them a lot.

>ChaosH: You're alright. Don't go to Ikebukuro tomorrow.
>ChaosH: WHAT DID I JUST SAY. Oh well, time to put you under arrest. Don't expect me to bail you out.
>ChaosH: I'm bailing you out.

So tsundere.

>>175459615
Did you just google for "arguing techniques that might work on retards"?
you do know you just called yourself retarded? well thats american education for you.

>implying that because a general exists the subject can't be talked about anywhere else

not saying it cant just saying if you want to talk solely about go to the general, if you want to to talk persona relative to smt games then here would be acceptable. but i doubt anyone brain damaged like yourself can distinguish between anything other then black and white.

>ignorant on why the split happened in the first place
doesn't matter why mate stop bringing up irreverent points.

>not contributing to any actual discussions and just trying to show which "team" you are on for god knows what reason
what like yourself? I actually enjoy both games for different reasons and discuss both of them on their related generals because im not retarded like yourself.

>>175460292
Ok sorry, I misjudged you.
You are not trying to represent a team.
You are trying to sound smart by pointing out that there is a persona general.
Newsflash, spinoffs are part of this general.
If you don't care about the greater series you can go to /pg/
>brain damaged like yourself can distinguish between anything other then black and white.
Yeah, just look all this nuance just oozing from this post >>175455662

>>175460679
>Yeah, just look all this nuance just oozing from this post
you started the autism train friendo, I'm just trying to stop it.

>You are trying to sound smart by pointing out that there is a persona general.
no I'm not a brain dead child like yourself so I do not need to self inflate, I'm only informing people if they solely want to talk about persona that there is a general to do so.

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>>175458374
Your face hasn't been relevant since the mid 90s. Say that to my face at school in the computer lab, not online and see how long you live.

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>start this
>get to the first fight
>now looking at the level up screen for the last 20 minutes
What's the best build for this game?

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What SMT game is this?

>>175380635
People have these things called Jobs and friends. A quicksave option should be in every video game to accommodate for this.

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Anyone play this?
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3299/
https://youtu.be/zLx562Kqmyk

Seems memey as fuck, is it worth downloading if I've been wanting to replay Nocturne? I played Nocturne before so I'm worried I'd just end up making quick work of everything with all the meme demons

>>175461284
Full on magic with some ag to get the -dance spells

>>175382959
>Implying they won't use the Persona 5 models for enemies

Come on anon.

>>175387959
No fuck off. I want depth. Not flashy combat aimed at casuals.

>>175396001
You can beat SMT1 by spamming zio and nerve bullets.

I wish they made a new SMT or even Persona MMO.
I fucking miss Imagine so much. Sure it was kinda trashy, but with a couple simple changes it would have been legit amazing. It's a fucking shame we'll never get anything like it again

>>175461694
I worded my post incorrectly. I meant to say I don't understand why people complain about save everywhere in IV when there's a save at almost every critical point in Nocturne.

>>175396001
None of them are difficult if you know what you are doing.

>>175462347
Not in the Kalpas, where the main part of the difficulty comes from. Having to legitimately fight for your survival after you've made some progress and dungeon crawled for a while is half the fun of that game, if you could save anywhere I imagine it'd get very boring very quickly. That fear of losing all your progress and a lot of spent time is absolutely what makes dungeon crawlers interesting.

>>175434634
>Chaos is also fun but it's maybe the one SMT game where Law isn't shit

I'm pretty new to SMT. Why do I so often see law called shit?

>SMT II
>Beat up Basilisk in Holytown
>Half my demons are dead
>Hell Biker shows up

Should I kill him or run for it?

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>>175462631
God is bad.

Around what level should I try the Messiah Mission in Apocalyose?

>>175462631
Law is usually always responsible for the reasons shit happens in games

>>175463121
Lv99, obviously.

But try and save up enough AP to get fusion boosters to get Satan. He helps out a ton

>>175462631
because most of the time you basically brainwash or outright kill anybody who isn't on your side. Most of the time its not addressing the real problems either

>>175447018
You just summarized the entire plot perfectly. Still play nocturne. It's gameplay,atmosphere and OST are A1. Fucking fantastic game.

>>175463121
90s is perfectly fine for War difficulty. I haven't bothered but if you want to do it on Apocalypse you should probably go a bit higher than 100, not too far though, I imagine it becomes extremely trivial very quickly when you grind for a while.

>>175463620
>>175463281
>I imagine it becomes extremely trivial very quickly when you grind for a while
Can confirm. I didn't buy the DLC until I was around level 130 and it felt basically impossible to lose even on apoc

>people on /v/ unironically think iv:a stephen is the hardest boss in all of megaten
roflmao

>>175462631
Most of the time the actions you take on the law route are forced upon you, rather than following the player's choices or lining up with the choices that lead to that alignment.

Like in SMTIV, where law alignment choices include stuff like "keep a terminal patient in life support, even with no chance of recovery", but the actual law route is "kill everyone in Tokyo, including yourself".

The other alignments generally don't suffer as much from the alignment choices not lining up with the alignment itself.

>>175461694
>not just warping to the nearest terminal in the sector/dungeon and saving
No complaints

>>175462829
>hell biker
Risk it you get a good equipment if you survive

>>175464932
Then who is it faggot

Let me guess, demifiend from dds? Or a meme choice like matador?

>>175466106
The thing with Stephen is you can extremely easily outlevel him. He's not even the hardest encounter in Apocalypse, that'd go to some of the fiends in high TT cycles.
Demifiend is mostly just luck, I have no fucking idea why people keep bringing him up other than muh Nocturne maymays. Satan in DDS2 is a much better designed fight and every bit as difficult.

>>175466536
DDS Hitoshura is a good and fair fight.you can't outlevel him, can't outnumber, you can't debuff him, or just sit on ass and heal all the time

i mean, it's not really luck. oh well, it is, but it's really good and hardcore battle. satan was easyer for sure, and didn't had so much variation, like different demon summoning. and didn't had gaea rage.

>>175466536
What's difference with Satan and Demifiend.
Never played DDS

>>175467448
No matter how much you plan and optimize, Demifiend will still wipe you like 95% of the time. There is nothing you can do about it.
Satan doesn't have that kind of randomness to him nearly as much, if you go in with maxed stats, which are pretty much a requirement for these fights anyways, keep track of the damage you dealt and what turn you are on, you will win 9 out of 10 times. It's just a hell of a lot more fair than Demifiend who can (and will the vast majority of the time) just say fuck you and cause your last ten to twenty minutes to go up in smoke.

I did both of them without a guide when the games came out and while that feeling when I finally beat Demifiend was out of this world, overall I enjoyed progressing on Satan a hell of a lot more.

>>175465678
>Oneshots Beth
Well shit

>>175467959
95% fail is a pretty good rate, i'd say 99%

I mean, it's not like Hitoshura will kill you anyway. I've beat him too, after 2 month of everyday trying. Yes, i know that shit when you battle for 10-20 minutes, and only then, if Gaea Rage won't kill you, you already know if this battle begins, or you just die there.

but you can do it some easier. I mean, you use Close Call on everyone, and damaging first 2 monsters at the same time. they have different numbers of hp, like 18000 and 20000, or something so at first you damaging higher-hp demon with single-targer magical almighty skill (that looks like Freikugel), and then you damaging both of them with Celestial Ray magical skill, that deal same damage to all of them and will kill both demons at the same time, so then Hitoshura will burst with Gaea Rage. BUT if you will have 1 character - you will have the time to res and heal fully, because Hitoshura will be bothered with demon summoning, and won't kill you. not to mention that Celestial Ray damage more than Apocalypse, and not eating your HP. though eating a lot of mana but we have Great Chacra gathered through the whole game

I mean, that's somewhat the key - to use magical Celestial Ray and kill both demons together, every time. Though, it is still take a lot of time, like 1-2 month 2-3-4 hours of everyday trying to fight him


BUT it's Shin Megami Tensei, it's fucking hardcore gaming. we need a lot more things like that, we need some gameplay like DDS2: Hard mode, when every battle may be your last. i'm bored with all that cheese games, even Etrian Odyssey are easy now.

so Hitoshura Fight is like, hardest and fairest fucking battle through all jrpg. i really liked it. and satan isnt so cool.

>>175447763
>tfw no tamaki

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Best SMT for a newfaggish? I've played Person 3-5 so it's not totally unfamiliar

>>175462965

Cute boy (Female)

>>175472414
Any of the PS2 ones.

>>175472414
Read the fucking starter guide. Nocturne.

>>175472414
Play Persona 1 and 2: Innocent Sin.

>>175472414
kyuuyaku megami tensei

>>175472414
Demikids

>>175472509
Calm down nerd

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>>175432592
>first time in this gen
>reading this

What the fuck?! Dont tell me /pg/ is saner then you guys. What gives?

Anyways I came to ask, what's the best SMT game aside Nocturne?

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>>175473327
F*ck you.

>>175473423
Waifufagging hides the darkness in men's hearts.
Try Digital Devil Saga 1&2 on the PS2 or Strange Journey on the DS

>>175473423
DeSu 1 and SMT I. Every other answer is wrong.

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>>175473918
>>175474002
DeSu 1 it is!

Thanks lads, I downloaded most of em and played Nocturne already. Just had a hard time picking what one was next.

>>175473423
/pg/ is a lot saner than us, but that's because they're so drenched in waifuposting and retardation that they don't usually indulge in severe autism and shitposting like we do (though I guess you could say /pg/'s brand of autism is different than ours)

>>175474002
The DeSu games are way overrated in my opinion, I don't understand why you people like them.
The gameplay is complete garbage, a huge part of what makes SMT games so fun is how fast and snappy everything is. DeSu's menus on the other hand are all ridiculously clunky and the combat extremely tedious with transitions and inputs have long delays and lag periods between them. It's physically painful to play.

>>175475409
>(though I guess you could say /pg/'s brand of autism is different than ours)

A coin is coin no matter the face I guess.