/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

see >>175351970

>>175351813

pls. I want to form Arabia

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I don't know what the fuck is this hrrrrt shit is but I'm killing it before it unites east and west through heirs.

Although idea of fraticelli byzantine is amusing.

>>175352248
What the fuck even is that steppefag langugae

>>175351901
Brown and half-based

>>175351901
W&B

>>175351901
God

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>>175352383
More like mountain slavs or something

>Observing CKII game.
>Karlings constantly reconquer revolting Saxony.
>Murder the spanish Caliphate after every truce ends.
>Constantly hange from West France to East France and or Middle France and back.
If I didn´t know any better, I´d say they have identidy issues.

>>175351841
SuperPower 2

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???

>>175353343
There should really be an option to disable CoA's on the map, desu, they make it look really cluttered.

>>175352750
You must be fucking literally retarded, they're armenians

>>175352248
What titles does the guy have?

Do you get shit modifiers like highway robber bands if you're above your demense limit? I noticed the levy and income penalty caps out at 90% so couldn't you in theory just ignore the demense limit, sooner or later you'll become so big that even with a 90% penalty you'll still be rich and powerful.

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>>175349348
>14th century start date

Is Majapahit OP as shit in that start? If not, they should be.

>>175353817
Francia orientalis >>175353343 which is essentially HRE except neither holy, nor roman nor an empire but rather a Heretical Bulgaro-German Kingdom.

>>175354065
Majapahit have the most development in the region I believe, but not by much. Pasai Malay and Brunei all can be successful, and generally dont mess with Majapahit too much because of AI cant into boats, and have no reason to attack provinces they cant core.

>>175354065
Majapahit has all of indonesia/malaya as vassals.

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>>175354431
>>175354353
Sounds about right, then.

>>175354312
Nice. Ive never seen this happen and I have 500+ hours

Im waiting for HIP to be integrated with Ancient Religions to get back into the game

>>175354495
>>Im waiting for HIP to be integrated with Ancient Religions to get back into the game
>Historical Immersion Project
>dead meme religions

pick one

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>>175354478
This is the 1444 start, none of them are tributaries or vassals of the Majapahit

>>175354602
>vanilla

>>175354065
1444 Majapahit is pretty much dead unless you are playing MEIOU since they have early start.

>>175354602
Well yeah, that makes sense. Majapahit was a titan in the 1300s, but kind of started imploding a little after 1400, partly because of the emergence of Islam in the west of the archipelago. Around 1500, Islam started breaking up the core realm in Java itself, starting with the rise of Demak.

>>175354569
I just want to play as a count who secretly worships Zeus. Its well known that people in power practice paganism so this isnt historically inaccurate

>>175354643
That's fair enough, because of what I just said in >>175354721. I was just asking if, in the non-vanilla earlier start dates of some mods, like 1356, Majapahit started in a better position (since I didn't have MEIOU or other such mods).

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>>175354739
its just larping, no one actually believes that meme shit

>>175354826
Want me to boot up Extended Timeline and check?

>>175354721
Majapahit died because of succession crisis and too much autonomy not because Islam. When Islam came to Archipelago Majapahit was already a skeleton.

>>175354987
I did say "partly," though you're right, it wasn't the chief cause.

I suppose in EU4 terms, they had a civil war disaster happen and everything went to shit.

>>175354968
That would be nice, thanks. If you could post a screencap of both the earliest start date and the 1444-equivalent start date, that'd be fantastic. I'd like to see how accurately/inaccurately they got all the tiny-ass kingdoms.

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>>175355130
The earliest startdate I got with them by toggling the calendar. No vassals or tributaries and other subjects.

>>175353986
>even with a 90% penalty
So you would rather summon 100 troops from over 100 counties instead of summoning 1000 troops from 10 counties?

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>>175355774
The first historical start date I can select in the menu with it. No subjects of any kind either. Started and it gave me a standard mission to subjugate a neighbor. Controls the darker red parts on the islands.

>>175355958
yes

>>175355130
>>175355774
>>175355963
And here is 1444. No vassals and so on either, just territorrial losses.

>>175355774
>those borders
>1290s

Hm. Guess they recycled Majapahit to also represent Singhasari.

Also

>Pagarruyung exists

I thought that kingdom got founded in like the 1350s or something.

>>175356013
Suicide is always an option

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>>175356109
Forgot the 1444 pic. Singhasari is selectable before 1293.

>>175356203
But what if I suicide everyone else by conquering the entire world, owning every single holding and then executing every last courtier, and then killing mysef?

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So is there any way to dismantle Bulgaria? Do I just have to sow dissent or something?

>>175356295
Alright. So they haven't changed the borders from vanilla 1444 EU4, then (aside from giving Tidore control of Halmahera).

I think I ranted about why this map irritated me earlier, here: >>175324585

Thanks for the screenshots.

>>175356449
Invite claimants and push their claims without landing them, that should give them independent realms if I'm not mistaken. Also, have you already run out of things to spend money on? Your bankroll is huge.

>>175356295
>45 tech in all areas

Just how high does the tech tree go in that mod

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>>175351892
Where can I get the cheapset EUIV anons?

>>175354495
It doesn't normally happen. I spent a ton of money keeping HRE from forming by killing the leaders so it all was split in the weird ways. (and they did a good job of dying in battles themselves anyway).
It all almost went to shit when karlings run out of heirs and empire to be merged under Bulgarian king but luckily he was fraticellin (but secretly cathar) and decided to BTFO pope instead forming Cathar patriarchy.
One more generation and what's left of Francia should hopefully shatter to an extent where it will never recover into a monolith state.

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How do I get cream_api to work for CK2?

>>175357084
Really far. It goes to the year 9999 and the last start date 2017 as of now. I think the tech levle was something in the 90s?

If you play in the earliest two start dates 2 and 58 you have to wait decades if not centuries to get the first idea groups due to various penaltys on if you´re in antiquity, early middle ages or somewhere else. There are so called primitive ideas you have to get before even getting the "normal" techlevels. The 40/50 are last I checked the equal to unmodded 4 - 6. Need to look that up again, though.

NWO is the preferred modern day mod for /gsg/, right? When is the start date? Modern politics have me feeling like Cold War and our only chance at a game got scrapped

>>175357675
CWE is the preferred mod, NWO was dropped after the region overhaul

>>175357718
Thanks lad. Anything I should know before I jump in?

>>175357909
Not really, CWE is pretty straightforward. More railroaded from what I can remember, GPs have by far the most flavour and compared to NWO it should be harder for minors to make big land grabs.

>>175357675
what game?

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>declare on france to seize the shitty little indonesian island they started colonizing
>2 years later 25000 swedes invade california

fucking AI

literally everything wrong with this game in a single image

>>175358160
Any game. Unless you mean the canceled one which is EvW. Damn shame as it looked like it was going to be good, even if it was behind schedule. Guessing Paradox really canceled it because of their shift in business model rather than logistics.

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Otto is fighting Persia and Oman.
I'm allied to Otto, but he hasn't called me in yet, worried that he's gonna call me in when oman and persian armies are in awkward places and will devastate some of my prosperous lands.

Should I get EU4? What am I in for? I just want to go and genocide savage (((colored))) people

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>>175356625
For that time being yeah, Constantinople really IS very powerful when it comes to money. I don't really ever run out of money, my monthly balance is within the 19-22 range constantly, but I think I can go even higher soon.

Also Paris is Aztec majority now.

>>175358480
Show map

k lads

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>>175358907
I don't think the Aztecs can get any further than this. I only really enabled them so I can play Duke Nukem and save the women of Europe. I can't do shit until they're close enough though.

Also I'm not helping that Armenian faggot with his constant wars, I just don't want to take the prestige hit.

>>175358983
yeah?

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Burma world power by 3782

>>175359485
based niggermod poster

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I was thinking of Espionage, but I might go exploration just so I can hunt for the seven cities.

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ayyy

>>175359405
>no india, eastern half of urals are gone, mali is gone
That map looks pretty fucking sweet actually. I don't play HIP but their mapper is GOAT

Guys, I want to mod a synthetic rubber factory in Vic2:
- make an invention that allows building this factory
- make factories that benefit from rubber in state benefit from it
- make AI being able to build it
What should I do?

I suppose it should be in the same tech as coal liquefication plant, the factory taking oil as raw resource (or liquor - there is a way to synthetize butadiene from ethanol).

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>get 500 prestige before the ai
>win with free doomstack
I had forgotten how easy it was to blob with tribalshits. Now I just have to wait for 100g and I can form based Poland

Could someone please explain dutch republic for me? After reading about it, it's not clear to me if I get rulers that will rule for life instead of 4 year cycles?

>>175360587
>I want to mod a synthetic rubber factory in Vic2
But synthetic rubber wasn't viable until after Liqqy's timeline.

>>175360587
>make factories that benefit from rubber in state benefit from it

what's the point then? Adding factories and resources in Vicky is a terrible idea, see PDM

>>175361023
But he has a time machine.

>>175361023
>Liqqy
?
Also, the first rubber plant was established before the first coal liquefication plant.

>>175361332
is this your first time posting here?

>>175361202
>what's the point then?
Well, it wold be strange if it consumed any rubber but only benefited from natural rubber.
>Adding factories and resources in Vicky is a terrible idea, see PDM
Yes, but how bad could one end-game factory make it?

>>175361449
No, but I don't know who Liqqy is. Liquor + what?

>>175361332
>the first rubber plant
Cool story, that doesn't make it viable. The reality of the situation is that they were war-time factories as temporary stop gap measures in place of natural rubber. Once the war ended, the factories closed. Viable production of synthetic rubber doesn't even begin until '40 with Ameripol.

>>175361760
Confirmed newfag.

>>175361809
>temporary stop gap measures in place of natural rubber
But in Vic2, rubber shortage is not temporary. It's constant. It would be natural to start the production of synthetic rubber, just as natural as coal liquefication was in the countries that had no access to oil IRL.

>>175362315
Yeah but do you have any idea behind the processes and techonologies behind it?
When it was invented and how efficient it was?

>>175362315
Or you could just tweak rubber production in the files to make it more realistic, but sure, let's go with the ahistorical fantasy approach that the AI has continually proven itself unable to deal with in any way.

Where does the money in V2 initially come from?

I've never actually done a game as the UK in HPM. Worth or nah? Seems like it would be rather micro intensive.

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>>175360724
this guy right here just singlehandedly won me a civil war, thanks m8

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>>175362658
do it

>>175362452
Hm. Well, that might be a solution. How do I do it? And in that case, I'd like to eliminate coal liquefication pant from the game.

>>175362658
UK exists to be ruined and dethroned

>>175362648
Taxes

>>175362648
V2 money comes form gold mines/precious metals

>>175362734
>1024x768
very impressive, my peenoise lad

>>175362746
>How do I do it?
You'd need to find the provincial files for rubber production and then increase the base amount. As to which file it is, you're asking the wrong guy.

>And in that case, I'd like to eliminate coal liquefication pant from the game.
Unsure. You should probably increase oil production in the game as well if you're going to do this.

>>175362734
What do you even do?

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>invest into hospitals
>surviving plague while the rest of the europe shits itself

>>175362986
whatever you want, play world police and support every breakway state, blob, or just get comfy borders and do nothing the whole game

>>175357094
g2a or kinguin

>>175363208
>play world police
Why do redditors not understand this notion? >ew le icky blob why are you playing as icky bloberino?!?!?!
I guess they're just too casual.

>>175363814
>triggered

>>175363814
what did he mean by this

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Time to turn on the dev edict and the dev policy and use mana to change the color of some provinces

>>175364001
How high is your developement? Post GPs.

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>>175364369
395 development right now.
Still a duchy since my prestige has been so shit.

Haasa is my vassal. After universities I will build some in his provinces and develop his land a bit as well.

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>>175364810
1488 my aryan brethren

How do I into victoria 2?
>start as greece
>don't do anything
>haemorrhaging money
>my soldiers are slowly decreasing, not taking attrition or anything
>sit there for 40 years not doing anything, unable to retake my cores from ottoman
>alt f4

>>175365136
Conquer Warri in 1836.

>>175365136
>download cheat engine victoria 2 table
>pant the world

>>175365327
this basically

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what's the best CKII starting date

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Is there any way I can make myself open to missionaries? I want to feudalize ASAP since I don't plan on blobbing, but the Christians won't send any physicians to my court.

>>175365571
But feudalizing is never worth it

>>175365638
>astronomically higher income
>higher quality troops
>higher tech generation
>higher tech spread
>gets access to non-shit succession laws
Feudals outpace tribals pretty fast, tribal is only worth it if you like lots and frequent wars.

>>175365136
don't play pseudo-countries that exist only to diminish the authority of other powers

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>>175365571
also interested in this, my Lithuania playthroughs keep falling through because I can't get out of the tribal shit soon enough

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hmm

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This is fucked up.

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>French Conquest of Aachen
>Aachen is a Free City so Austria joins in
>Aachen is allied to Russia and Brandenburg and they join in
>Aachen is part of Genoas huge trade league so they join in

>>175366054
>oldest European country in the world
>"pseudo"-country

>>175367006
I just realized, just raid/invite (buy a favor to make it work) a catholic/whatever woman to your court, take her as a concubine and then convert

>>175367312
Why does France get that mission anyway? Doeas that have any historical significance or is that one of those crush your small neighbor missions?

Aside from that, should France not be pretty fucked in that war?

Vicky 2 question. Why did HPM remove china's ability to get research points by randomly invading other nations, but leave it in for all the other uncivs? It turns China from a tense game of chicken with the infamy score to just "wait til 1910."
Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

>>175367573
>Who the hell thought that was a good idea?
HPM

>>175367495
>Aside from that, should France not be pretty fucked in that war?
They have aragorn on their side, but they are losing it seems.
Only 20k manpower left.

>>175367495
Aachen was Charlemagne's capital, it's French WEWUZism

>>175365136
Ally Prussia, Russia, or Austria and have them beat up the Ottomans for you
>>175367325
He's not joking. Greece in Vicky 2 exists solely to make the ottomans feel bad.

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Thanks for the gold homie.

>>175364741
>spend infinite mana to make your country the bastion of the world
>STILL weaker than aragon
Bravo, EU4.

>>175367325
this is what modern day "greeks" actually believe

>>175368368
Greeks are better than almost all humans in the world you slavic subhuman.

>>175368368
>>175368593
>/int/ attempts humor
haha..banter..lol..am I right guys..

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>>175368368
Greece is the oldest European country in the world, but modern day Greeks are Turk rape babies rthat have nothing to do with those men. See pic related, ancient Greek statue showing a slave and a Greek, notice the aryan features of the Greek, this is extinct in Batı Türkiye

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EXPLAIN THIS SHIT
cant move bottom army up
thats were i came from
sry for low quality dont know why its like that

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Ex-fucking-scuse me?

>>175368985
>kang
lol its the thing I know to laugh at haha lol top kek as we say on 4cheddit

>>175369101
>managing to form the HRE that early

you are either a wizard or a cheater.

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>>175369034
i reloaded and tried the other fort
CANT move back from a fort to the province withing its zone of control wtf

>>175369116
It's actually called 4chan, not 4cheddit.

>>175369052
there`s so much wrong with this picture

>>175369173
I'm neither. I'm just the count of Bordeaux getting a comfy tall game going. The fucking kingdom of Italy event fires then immediately afterwards this shit happens. I am lost for words

>>175369287
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>175369435
seriously, what are you doing

>>175369639
Imperializing

>>175369819
hmmm
why is everything so dark
why are you attracting migrants
why are you building cavalry instead of hussars
why are you researching steamers instead of saving up one year of research for idealism

I expanded my Kingdom of Florida in after the end, and I was doing pretty well but the Holy Confederation thing declared war on me. I can muster about 3000 men, they over 10000. With some mercenary tactics, I was able to fend them off, but I had to swear featly after. Otherwise I was gonna get assfucked. I feel like a failure having to bend the knee.

Also, did you know making someone your tributary only lasts as long as your lifetime? What a waste of time and men I've been spending making them my tribitches.

>>175370072
Yeah, the tributary system is retarded

>>175370072
Tributaries are great for farming prestige and easy temporary allies. It's a mechanic they ripped from mods AFAIK, but they forgot to implement the part where tributaries get to choose wether to remain a tributary upon your succession or break it, giving you another CB against them.

>>175364001
>>175364741
Did you cheat Mana for that much development?

>>175365468
1066

>>175370710
>because I have settings on dark
Why? Do you live in a basement with no lights?

>>175370879
you don't?

>>175370061
>because I have settings on dark
>because they (the ottomans) occupied sardina
>because I can't afford it
>because I need to break the ottoman blockade

I'm now working my way up to asia mirror

>>175370914
No, I live in a house with lights.

What are some start dates you would like to see in an Europa Universalis game? Just curious.

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If I use random new world can I still transfer my map to Vicy?

>>175371176
1494, 1614, 1815

>>175371139
fucking bourgeois

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>>175371176
1453. Fuck the redditors with their muh byzantium fanwank.

>>175371176
1337 or 1354

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perfect alternative history doesn't exi-

could someone upload Kaiserreich 0.3 for Heart of Iron 4:^)

>>175369201
forts do this shit all the time it's so frustrating

I love how one recent patch note was that they fixed AI being able to walk past forts. all they fixed was the AI wanting to walk past forts, they're still able and do it from time to time.

>>175372072
Speaking of Jews and alt history I read Turtledove lately (don't, it's garbage)
The Jews literally team up with the reptilians against the rest of the human race.

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>>175370716
>Did you cheat Mana for that much development?
Nope

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>>175372072
>by USA
>not by united secular arab republic
so close

>>175372627
>secular
>arab
>republic
what the fuck am I reading

>>175372492
I thought it was supposed to be alt history?

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>>175372072
Nukes right the wrongs of the past.

>>175372492
>don't, it's garbage
Worldwar is a fun read what are you on about

>>175372731
I mean it also has the russians kick reptile ass.

>>175372609
How did you get Iraq to form?

Spawning as Qara and then releasing Iraq?

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>>175372830
It's fun but also braindead, and the Reptiles don't get hit with Pin to the Sky to make them disappear forever.
Also I refuse to believe that literal fucking reptiles would be accepted so easily by Colonization.

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>>175372707
In the middle east there have been several dictators who enforced secular values on the people, Nasser, Sadaam, Assad, etcetera. They still followed the republic format because they had constitutions. Republic ≠ democracy, hence why in the US you can win the presidency without a popular vote.

>>175367573
> but leave it in for all the other uncivs?
All uncivs that are or choose to be isolationist suffer the same gate as china
Like Japan

>>175367573
HPM is a dum-dum

>>175372912
Yeah I started as QQ and released and played as Iraq

>>175373021
This is bordergore

>>175372609
Post simple terrain map, I want to see how much of that is fertile farmland.

Are there good places to play besides Iron Islands in GoT? It's all so boring and no chances to do anything.

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>>175373142
Blame Israel.

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>>175371276
pls

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>>175373143
5 farmland, 5 dryland

>>175373345
>Item condition: --
And the answer is no, of course not. It can't just generate a map based off the RNW.

>>175373313
blame Nasser's delusions you mean.
Pan-Arab nationalism isn't Israel's fault.

>>175372707

All the dudes we forcibly remove from power are secular and usually pan-arab.

The west actively wants to remove secularism from the middle-east for some fucked up reason.

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>>175373512
>it isn't israels fault they stole arab land and are currently keeping the palestinians in concentration camps
Sure thing, Schlomo. Greadest ally, only demogracy in the middle east.

>>175373512

Pan-Arab nationalism is based and almost white.

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>>175373643
>for some fucked up reason
An unstable middle east both promotes Israel's narrative of being muh only stable democracy and allows the western powers to exploit them for oil. This has been the American, French, and British doctrine for the past century.

If it wasn't for Putin (((ISIS))) would have overrun Syria and Israel would have occupied them as a """""""peacekeeping force""""""" like they did in Lebanon before based Hezbollah ran them out.

>>175373926
Ba'athism is Quasi-Fascist and badass. Its the only form government that can reasonably work in the middle east besides a Caliphate.
Assad did nothing wrong.

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rate my map made in MS Paint
I still have to do the he heightmap and the biomes and shit
I'll ignore the western hemisphere for now

>>175373915
>stealing land
>implying this is possible
Where are you from? I can tell you whose land you're """rightfully""" squatting on. They won it through diplomacy and defended it with force. Its theirs and they have all right to genocide the Palestinians if they want to.

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>>175374818
Really though, if you want to talk about working then the greatest state in the middle East, ever, was based Gaddafi's Libya. The HDI was eastern European tier. How can Pan Arabists compete with BASED Jamahiriya?

Is leader shock a better modifier than morale for early game?

Which tradition is going to give my military the biggest advantage at the start?

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>>175375138
I'm in Europe, so my ancestors have been the majority in this land for millenia, nice try with the muh redskins meme though.

All I'm saying is the Jews could have picked some nigger country like Madagascar or some barren country like Patagonia instead of the holiest place in the world. They were needlessly antagonistic in demanding that territory. If it wasn't for their chichanery in Western governments they never would have got it.

How do I deal with rebels in EU4? I always get them popping up unless I use my few military points. Also, Sunnis are always rebelling because I can't convert them what do?

Which country has the best military ideas in EU4? Shimazu? Prussia?

>>175375195
wow, and israel is western european tier
makes you think

>>175375489
Religious ideas and lowered unrest from tolerance of the true faith

>>175375487
i'm glad there's that big ol' star o' dave on his forehead or i wouldn't have known he was a KIKE
thanks for the redpill my aryan bud, always good to get refreshed

>>175375489
take humanist ideas

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>>175375516
That's western Aid, the kikes stealing and lying, as usual.

And the only reason they pay so much to Egypt is so they don't attack Israel.

>>175375676
why is your butt so hurt

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>>175375638
wtf i love israel now

>>175375810
Because Yids are destabalising the world.

>>175375138
So what you're saying is the nazis were right? Well, I mean, it's nice to hear a zionist admit to agreeing with their ideological brethren.

>>175375901
do you have any actual evidence for that or are you just larping as some sort of traditionalist warrior
and i mean a non-blogspot evidence
>>175376332
hey, anything goes captain kike blaster
we're all nazis here

>>175375494
Nepal

>>175375494
Prussia/Sweden

If Nomad +25% cav bonus on attack/flat lands was available for Poland, then Poland.

>>175375487
>redskins meme
>implying
What part of Europe? Because at some point Europe was uninhabited by humans. Do you seriously think the people inhabiting your country is the same as they were a couple thousand years ago? Next you're going to tell me the Italians are Roman. I certainly hope you're not from England, France, Iberia, parts of Germany, or the slavic Balkans.

But no. You take land, it's yours. If the Palestinians want the land they can take it by force, as is how it's always been through history. Who cares if its antagonistic? It's still their land.

>>175376332
Yes.

>>175375494
Prussia, Uesegi

>>175376859
>If the Palestinians want the land they can take it by force
They can't do that because of the Israeli lobby in America blackmailing the politicians. I remember when Obongo started speaking out against Israel and he was lambasted by the (((MSM))), despite him formerly being a good goy.

Why should the snakes of the Earth kill the lions?

>Try out Prussia in Victoria 2
>2 decades in
>nope
>fuck this

>>175378684
>can't win with the tutorial country

>>175378684
based mentally deficient eu4 player

>>175378735
It's cause of the micromagament
>click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click

>>175378859
You know you can pause the game, right? It's not an RTS

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>>175374680

Yeah. I should of said ((((for some reason)))).

>>175375195

Gaddafi was based and handsome.

Why do have a few turkish minors that jewish star? Or was that originally theirs and not from the jews?

>>175378859
unironically kill yourself and anyone related to you by blood

>>175378859
You can fucking ignore industry altogether and still win as Prussia.

>>175379153
It's an abrahamic symbol in general. Muslims believe King Solomon was a prophet and the six pointed star is sometimes called the seal of solomon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Solomon

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Guys I think Im cursed
Everytime I start playing some grand strategy game I get into car related accident
>Pick up stellaris
>Fail my driver´s license test
>Pick up EUIV months later
>Get into car crash

>>175378859
What exactly do you need to micromanage as Prussia that you don't need to do with any other country? You need to play the sphere game with 2, then 3 nations early on and then you're Germany.

>>175379240
>>175379187
Have only played Victoria 2 for 3 days.
And went State Capitalism and played it as an RPG
>this was apparently a mistake

>>175379479
>driver´s license test
underageb&

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>Heh, /gsg/ could NEVER bring peace to the middle east, they have no notion of geopolitics.

>>175379397
Ah, okay. Thanks anon. Time to read up on that then.

>>175379598
the only solution to the region is genocide of every single inhabitant

>>175379538
I literally said I later got into car crash which suggests Im an adult since I was the one driving. Do you have brain damage anon?

>>175379598
Give it all to Erdogan. He'll stop memeing about the Balkans afterwards. Ottomans were terrible for the Balkans and any other European country under their occupation, but they were a positive for the Middle East.

>>175379598
Is this the HoI map?

>>175380124
t. Erdogan

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>>175379598
Prove me wrong.

>>175380537
>all of the Middle East isn't Christian
0/10

>>175379598
Well if we tried other powers would fuck it up immediately because if the Middle East was stable then their Oil prices would be lower than Russia's or America's. This would be bad for everyone else's economies so keeping it a hellhole is good for the economy of other nations.
Plus, the borders drawn after WW2 are basically what happened when Yugoslavia was formed, it normally would best leave it be until it fixes itself, but interventionism has led to a Unity against a common enemy, not unity through understanding over time.
just call me an idealist.

>>175371585
Byzantium is actually pretty interesting if you play it as it is, a rump Roman Remnant trying to survive in a new world. Redditors try to blob it and go MUH NOSTRUM in a time where everyone thought they were just Greek LARPers.

Also a Byzantium post-1453 is fucking stupid. If it died at the siege of Constantinople, it ain't coming back. Your best bet for a New Roman state would come from say, some Italian state deciding to unite Italy using old Roman symbols rather than Italian city-state ones.

>>175380537
>Not the shahdom of Iran

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>>175380424
Nah, EvW.

And tbvqh, it had too many provinces, so here's the V2 map.

>>175379598
Secular Arab Federation.

Where should I colonize as Poland?
Playing Magna Mundi for EU3 for giggles since 4 is still a Trainwreck.

A carriibbean island or two?

>tfw no interesting middle-east with various cultures, religions and nations
Islam was a mistake

>>175381308
>too many provinces
what did he mean by this?

>>175382672
the urals

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Alright, lads, prove me wrong.

Ba'athist Arabia has a port in the south of Arabia to prevent power play in the Persian gulf.
The Jamahiriya of northern Africa makes less oil money than Arabia, but controls the Suez canal for muh tariffs.
Maghreb Union has Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and Western Sahara.
Toureg union because self determination.
Yemen split between Houthi Shia state and southern state to prevent conflict.
independent Holy state to prevent power politics/stop people claiming to be a caliphate.
Turkey has northern Cyprus becaues that area actually is Turk majority, as much as I don't want it to be.
Kurdistan to stop them bitching/revolting and keep Turkey down.

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>>175379598

>>175383195
>israel
>has west bank and gaza

>>175383104
You've totally fucked the balance of power, ensured tons of ethnic and religion conflict, doomed thousands to oppression or genocide, and completely ignored reality.

sykes-picot/10

>>175383341
How so?

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I want to get into Eu3. Should I go full vanilla or should I start with a mod to get the best experience? And if so, which is the best mod to play? Hopefully something that isn't just a giant clusterfuck and actually improves the game.

>>175383452
Start vanilla but player with CanOmer's map so you don't get an eyesore, then move over to something like Miscmods

>>175383452
go with DW if you want to colonize, otherwise HTTT

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Is Stellaris worth the 39,99?

>>175383886
lol

>>175383886
>buying games

>>175383886
It's better than HoI4 and arguably better than EU4

>>175384042
its better than dogshit?
thanks for the info

>>175383452
Vanilla and then go mods.

Playing ck2, is the chance of the goldsmith dying before finishing his work really high? This is the third time a goldsmith has died after 5-10 years and made me lose money

>>175383886
Wait for next sale. Get the base game and Utopia expansion for the same price.

>>175383452
eu3 is as shit as eu4 and the only reason you'll see people itt claim otherwise is that it was their first gs

>>175383438
The "arabia" state completely dominates the Middle East. Right now there is a semblance of some balance of power between Saudi Arabia + the Gulf States / Iran. If Arabia suddenly encompassed all those areas plus all the shit you added, and also had a direct route to the Mediterranean to build its own pipelines to Europe, PLUS being able to go around the gulf entirely, it would be a regional superpower.

Also I'm sure you know this but there are tons of non-arabs in the "arabian union", there are also a fuckload of non-Muslims, and of course there are both Sunnis and Shi'ites in the proposed union, and since you're saying it will be an authoritarian state this will not end well. Yes, Ba'athism is theoretically secular but the theory doesn't always match reality. I hope you've found an immortal philosopher king to govern this country. I also hope that immortal philosopher king gave the former emirs and sheikhs of the varies states the Union absorbed a good deal, because they don't want to form a union. This will also cause conflict.

Having a "holy state" won't stop people from claiming a caliphate by the way. ISIS does that and has never owned Mecca or Medina. In fact having a Holy State set aside for them is probably a poor idea because controlling those cities is very lucrative from a business perspective, I'm pretty sure your massive Arab union would just turn them into a vassal state. Of course this would piss off non-Arabs, more conflict.

Making Oman an Ibadi state by definition would piss off a quarter of the country

Of course Cyprus is still split in your image so that inevitably will cause conflict. Also I'm fairly sure the cypriots don't want to be part of Greece either.

That little Kurdistan sea access thing is funny, but it doesn't really do anything for Kurdistan because they need permission from Turkey to reach the mediterranean anyway (bosphorus strait)

there's more but I think you get the point

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>>175381308
green = russia
blue = france
red = england

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>>175384275
>he fell for the goldsmith meme

>>175384042
HoI IV's third expansion will be worth $25 according to a dev so hopefully that means more than focus trees. Apparently the reason the next expansion/dlc will be so small is because a lot of resources have gone into the AI improvements,overhauling the map and fixing air warfare.

>>175383438
>put israel under control of arab muslims that regularly say they want to murder jews
hmmm

>>175383886
>buying games
>asking that at /gsg/

m8 we used to have all the gsg in a mega for free without a care before the new internal war against the groups.

>>175384275
>died after 5-10 years
What.
They deliver their goods within like, a year

>>175384524
Oh, I thought he meant thousands of people, not thousands of parasitic rats.

>>175383259
Yes, and? Let's be honest, they already have those areas anyway, it's just on paper that some people claim they don't.

>>175384528
i still have that mega saved
don't tell discord

>>175384482
>>175384547
Three goldsmiths in a row have, after three years-ish, gotten incapable at the age of 40 and died without giving me anything

>>175384647
Bless your autistic soul

>>175384634
No no, Arabia is annexing Israel there, not Turkey.

>>175384368
>it would be a regional superpower.
What's the problem?
>
Also I'm sure you know this but there are tons of non-arabs in the "arabian union", there are also a fuckload of non-Muslims, and of course there are both Sunnis and Shi'ites in the proposed union, and since you're saying it will be an authoritarian state this will not end well. Yes, Ba'athism is theoretically secular but the theory doesn't always match reality.
Assad has looked after the Sunnis, Shias, and Christians in Syria well.
The only time a Ba'athist has killed a religious group is when they were revolting against them, like when the Iranians funded Shia militants in Iraq in 1991. Other than that no persecutions have ever taken place, and you couldn't even call this a "persecution" and they were attacking the military, they had to shoot back.
>I hope you've found an immortal philosopher king to govern this country. I also hope that immortal philosopher king gave the former emirs and sheikhs of the varies states the Union absorbed a good deal, because they don't want to form a union. This will also cause conflict.
Then they'll be gassed.
>Having a "holy state" won't stop people from claiming a caliphate by the way. ISIS does that and has never owned Mecca or Medina. In fact having a Holy State set aside for them is probably a poor idea because controlling those cities is very lucrative from a business perspective, I'm pretty sure your massive Arab union would just turn them into a vassal state. Of course this would piss off non-Arabs, more conflict.
Secularists would have no business trying to take holy cities, wanting to form a caliphate is completely alien to Ba'athist ideology, I assume this Holy state would be defended by pretty much everyone. Not least the Ba'athists themselves, they don't want to pillage Mecca.

>Making Oman an Ibadi state by definition would piss off a quarter of the country
Then they can go to Arabia.

>>175383438
You've pulled a Yugoslavia on the entire region. that's how you fucked up. Look at all the nations that were in Yugoslavia, where a similar situation occurred. There is now 5(6 if you count Kosovo's independence) countries where we thought 1 was a good idea, now apply this to the Middle East. Self-determination is important, but that wouldn't help sell other countries oil so intervention after intervention to stop these genocides which the countries stopping them caused.

>>175385204
>where we thought 1 was a good idea
it was a good idea tho

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>Pope calls crusade against Fraticelli Bavaria
>Wins
>Guy that received Bavaria instantly goes fraticelli

Pope BTFO

Heresies seem to be dying out though. Mostly because Cathars can't breed with that glorious -25% fertility penalty x2

>>175384663
How much do you pay them?

I've been pumping maximum money into all smiths and goldsmiths and they always returned to me.

>>175385204
>oil prices are more important thatn people's lives
#imwithher

>>175385104
>>it would be a regional superpower.
>What's the problem?
The balance of power would be upset and the other states would be dominated by it. If you can't understand why this is a problem then you're hopeless. Then again you seem to be a pan-arabist wanking about what amounts to a new secular caliphate so you probably are.

>The only time a Ba'athist has killed a religious group is when they were revolting against them
yes, and surely there won't be any revolts against this enforced overlord state that tramples over religious, legal, historic, and ethnic boundaries

>>you couldn't even call this a "persecution"
>be marginalized, oppressed, harassed, forcibly converted, etc.
>try to rebel against authoritarian gov't allowing this to happen
>get killed
>haha serves them right for fighting back
yeah ok, you're definitely a /pol/tard

>Then they'll be gassed.
yeah confirmed, no need to consider anything you're saying really. I thought you might be serious at first but now I understand you're either larping or baiting

>>175385557
That's America's foreign policy tho, no matter the party, unless it's defending against the damn commies.

>>175385204
Yeah true. Just need one nation to fuck it up for the rest and start the ball rolling for total chaos.

>>175384389
based

which version of NWO or CWE is actually fun?
Side note, how do I egypt in hpm

>>175385679
>the other states would be dominated by it.
Not really, there'd be a regional balance of power between the Jamahiriya, the Maghreb Union and Arabia, and on a global scale Russia, China, America, and the EU would keep them in check.

>yes, and surely there won't be any revolts against this enforced overlord state that tramples over religious, legal, historic, and ethnic boundaries
The "legal, historic" boundaries that were drawn by Britain and France in 1918? How is that their boundary? Plus, like I said, Sadaam and Assad protected minorities, this state would do the same.
>>be marginalized, oppressed, harassed, forcibly converted, etc.
When? Literally when did that happen? Show me a single example of a Ba'athist state attacking/persecuting a minority that hadn't shot at them first.

>yeah confirmed, no need to consider anything you're saying really. I thought you might be serious at first but now I understand you're either larping or baiting
Are you saying people who shoot at government forces should be allowed to? Are you larping as an an-cap?

>>175385448
Max amount, but I also got the event where I have to pay more on each one. Maybe that's why?

So when are Fascists activated in HPM?
It's 1919 and I've got Mass Politics and basicaly every single tech in the culture tab but no Fascist party

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>>175384504
>third expansion
what were the other 2?

>>175386249
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_campaign

>>175386774
After a great war

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>>175386971
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_campaign

>>175386249
>Show me a single example of a Ba'athist state attacking/persecuting a minority that hadn't shot at them first.
literally google "baathist [group] oppression"
insert anything into [group], sunni, shi'ite, kurd, christian, etc.
stop talking about shit you don't understand

>>175387772
>just because I don't repeat CNN lies means I don't understand
Bravo, Chayim. Greater Syria when?

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>>175387489
>>175387881
never, get over it bitch

>>175387881
>CNN lies
We get it, you browse /r/The_Donald.

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>>175387962

>>175388378
>if I spam /pol/ memes maybe they'll take me seriously
just go back

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R8 my dutch blob.

Should I continue colonizing east or should I colonize the east coast of america?

Should my dutch heartland be bigger or is this when I stop blobbing?

>>175388459
>>175388051
>it's reddit to advocate for self determination of indigenous peoples
>it's /r/thedonald not to support israel
Nice try, but Reddit and /r/thedonald love Israel.

alright cucks which one of you is this
http://alexfrd.deviantart.com/gallery/

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i wanna shitpost too

>>175388612
I don't have a suitable throwing up image for this

>>175388809
>alex
i think you know exactly who that is

>>175388839
You mean this is not an aesthetic blob for a dutch superpower?

>>175388809
probably you advertising your deviantart

>>175388709
>leftists must love everything that i hate
>i will ignore all facts leftists love israel kikes ahhh

>>175389070
>reddit
>leftists
They're neo-liberals who want tranny lgbbqwtfiiqfr2d2P, not leftists as in communists.

Is there any way to form germany in HPM as Austria without releasing all my shit?

>>175389181
you're too far gone
you probably think social democrats are socialists

>>175389270
sphere/conquer all germans (just like if you were to form normal germany), then you should eventually get an event where you get to choose between becoming germaniums or giving shit up

>>175389005
You conquered too much of germany, should've stopped at the rhein, or maybe the elbe if you really want to blob

>>175386171
>which version of NWO or CWE is actually fun?
none of them
>Side note, how do I egypt in hpm
spam +relations with france and uk prior to the oriental crisis, activate the reforms on the day the crisis fires and pray no GPs intervene

afterwards either spam relations with ottomans to +100 and hope to get sphered

>>175389332
My statement implied the literal opposite of that, it was you who said liberals and leftists are the same thing.

>>175383886
>buying games

just lmao

>>175386991
>nobody discovered GWs yet
great

Question: Has anyone ever made a mod to play Ned Kelly after a successful Communist overthrow in Australia?

I'd play that.

>>175386171
CWE is better, but in either you should really only play as a power with enough pops. Something like Albania or Serbia is even more useless in CWE/NWO than in regular Liqqy.

>>175390185
communist leech of society

is nigeria better than the congo for rgos?

who vaporwave and /gsg/ here? Is there anything more comfy?

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Time for war with the foul t*rks, but should I annex the territory directly, give it to the knights, or do half and half, with them getting sud Anatolia and me getting nud anatolia?

What should I do with my belgium run, I've taken hong kong and sinai, really enjoying the pop screen being few colonials. Should I blob congo, nigeriums, indonesiums? or do something else?

>>175391275
Vaporware makes me extremely melancholic and lethargic. I don't like playing games while listening too it. I don't really like doing anything while listen too it. I just get lost in the sound.

I'm also re-reading Homestuck and can't be bothered to play any gsg. Got no ideas for a run or any motivation.

>>175391093
kike

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>>175391093
>giving money to swedes
LMAO

>>175391725
>there's no such thing as good vaporwave
You take that back, faggot.

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Thank God I've been weakening the HRE this whole time Xd

>>175391275
Future Funk

>>175391593
Just take the Netherlands and blob into Belgium + Netherlands' maximum historical borders worldwide. South Africa, East Indies, Congo, etc

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>>175391432
haha btfo btfo

>>175391093
*clicks download*
wtf i'm stalin now

>>175391931
>France's nobles can vote in the sejm
>all those fucking people gathering in one place, probably taking their horses with them shitting all over
Can you imagine the smell? Christ

>>175391846
>>175391725
>>175391723
>>175391275
>>175391965

https://youtu.be/rTfa-9aCTYg
Plebs

>>175391725
2 8 4 1 is p good if that counts. Some vaportrap is also good

When's the best time to trigger a Golden Age?

>>175392163
I never said it was bad :( I really enjoy it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgQai3IIMQg
Th-thanks for the (you)