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>m'lady
Edition

News & Patch Notes: https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/news

Hero Related Info:
Latest Hero - Morigesh
https://youtu.be/XUp6MdosW58 [Embed] [Embed]
https://youtu.be/kDGpxp4MG1M [Embed] [Embed]
Leaks -
https://soundcloud.com/mehteh-trollfacer/tracks
https://soundcloud.com/omedamusic
http://imgur.com/a/fdnFM
http://imgur.com/a/5t1Am

MMR Tracking (community) and Other Information:
https://agora.gg/
https://fury.gg/
https://paragon.gg/

More Hero Build Info:
https://paragondb.info/calc
http://paragon.wikia.com/wiki/Paragon_Wiki

User IDs: pastebin.com/tMqksTK4
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>>175080827
New updated info
>>175080952
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First bump of the day because we're somehow already on page 5.
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Latest Hero - Revenant
https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/heroes/revenant
https://youtu.be/mzSpb2TnQ8k
https://youtu.be/l0rEmd4BD6I

>>175081039
disregard
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>>175081039
Fucker. Yours does link to the last thread, but I find the lack of /parag/ in the subject line to be disgusting.
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Is revenant fedora-tier?
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>>175081210
Your thread is better. The other will die soon.
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>tfw countess is garbage now
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What characters other than Sparrow can I play with a default deck?
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>>175082515
Make your own decks nigger
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How to play Countess offlane? Shadow Scrolls up the ass?
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>>175083920
You don't play Countess
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>>175081634
>>175084226
>Implying
She's still viable, you're just mad there is an even bigger bully on the block now
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>>175083827
I meant that I have minimal cards. I'm new.
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>>175084301
>All these implications

Oh I've never played Countess and I wouldn't care if she was viable. I can play the better more braindead Countess aka Mori.
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Is there a hero more powercreeped than Greystone
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>>175086685
Is he actually useless? Who better fits his role if so?
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>>175084301
Countess is Godtier late game
The only problem is
>Late Game in Paragon
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>>175086685
ye i was thinking this the other day member when he was like first pick material
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O9cVT_nS48

Official LORE (with IP friendly soundtrack)
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>>175086685
Steel.
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>didn't get to pick revenant, guess i'd better pick iggy
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>>175086837
I'd say if jungle is already taken, both Grux and Kwang do what Grey does and better. If I reworked him I'd honestly replace Assault the Gates with some sort of shield bash cause he doesn't even fucking use the thing.
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>>175090380
That's his only mobility though. also, by "shield bash" do you mean the exact thing that Steel already has
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>>175089419
>Someone else get's to play Revenant
other people dodge
>I get to play Revenant
someone dodges
>just 2 guys want to play Revenant out of 5
the second one dodges because he did not get to play him
>Revenant player that get's to play starts coaching whole team on what to pick and where to go
>Check his Agora 3/15; 2/11; 1/13 as Revenant
embracing the 20 minute dodge timer now...


How the fuck do people even manage to play him, when everybody is dodging.
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>>175092201
I just want to play a real adc, but even if I'm first pick, if I lock anything other than rev, we're going to have a revenant pick. Shit's retarded.
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>be yin
>farming lane, minding my business
>suddenly revenant, must've been stealthed
>ults me
>I instantly ult too
>he's standing right next to me
>whipping him for 400+ dmg while his bullets and abilities do nothing, i feel a profound sense of schadenfreude
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>>175092201
Our revenant dc'd last match early game. 6 minion kills so you know it was early as fuck. Also no Morigesh on my team but on the other team. Interesting. We had Khaimera, Steel, Grux, Revenant, and myself as Sparrow.
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>>175093163
Yeah, yin offlane is definitely the way to go in the 10 revenant meta
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>>175095885
revenant edit featuring countess and Dekker when?
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Three questions guys:

Does the game give rewards or let you complete quests against bots?

Is the autobuy option any good?

Who is overall better Twinblast or Revenant?
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>>175097810
Yes

it's ok but not optimal

Yin
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>>175097810
yes
no
TB if you're good or Rev if you're bad and just want to press Q
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>>175091513
No I meant a stun like Dragon Knight's. If he has a stun he doesn't need mobility and is infinitely more useful as a frontliner.
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>>175098556
>TB better than Rev
Lmfao hell naw
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>>175095885
>>175096103
Didn't bother with countess
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Who is the best healer in the game?
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>>175101894
There are so many to choose from it's hard to say really
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>>175101815
this isn't what I expected
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>>175102514
I like it better that way desu, big daddy dekker protecting the shitter instalock rev
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>>175102694
This guy gets it
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>>175102694
that's fair enough. I like it more this way now too
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>>175101815
>>175102694
I want to see how viable protecting shitters with her is now. Th-Thanks
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Is it me or are games lasting longer with Rev picks?
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Just hit level 5. Any of ya'll niggas wanna play?
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>>175108672
No, games are lasting longer because it no longer takes 20 minutes for a team wipe/Orb Prime stomp
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>>175108672
It's because he has shit damage against towers/raptors/prime
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>>175098110
Why is Twin blast's ult so shit?
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>>175109276
because you're using it wrong
again
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>>175109542
Please enlighten me.
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>>175082515
All of them actually while the default decks aren't the best they're made to be viable, although you do have to look out for a few things like attack speed cards in the sparrow and revanent deck they don't need

look up RGSACE and Slyphin on youtube when you start getting more cards, everytime you save up 15k buy the weekly and after 10k keep buying the random

>>175083920
most casters will want at least 32 ability pen to max out their dmg so yes, don't forget a lifesteal and teleport (true one her's isn't a great escape tool ) like any offlaner stay safe and poke the ranger when possible call for help from mid ONLY if you really need it and expect you tower to fall , if you can hold it great if not hope safe lane gets their tower down fast

>>175101894
with certain cards anyone can heal but the only character with healing built into their kit is Narbash so he is the best
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Remember those days where you made shit happen with whatever cards you have left?
Ahhh I can really appreciate how I don't have to worry about how many minor strikes I have spamming or spamming Brawler's Wards on all my decks because I didn't have any other wards

>>175110067
>lifesteal on a ability hero
what?
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>>175109801
Lead your target it is harder to hit heroes point black you will want them to be at range and it's bullets don't hit the crosshair spot instantaneously
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>>175110067
>Narbash

Exactly what I was looking for seems like he'll be a safe pick when i get into pvp.
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>>175110236
sweet memberries

remember OP dunks?
remember 3000/4000 hp?
remember well designed maps?
member travel mode?
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>>175110454
As a bonus keep a "circlet of health" on him which gives a healing aura of 2.8 hp/s this does stack with his "song of my people"
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>>175109189
You mean since the Prime jumps in at 15 min instead of 10 now?

I mean even then my games used to end in maybe 35-45 min

Now I've played 3 games today that went over 1 hour
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>>175110279
This is the most retarded thing about his game.
>third person action shooter TDM moba
>ZERO fucking hitscan, even shit like Belica's bullets are projectiles
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>>175111414
>He doesn't want projectiles to act like projectiles

Am I missing something?
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>>175111414
>hitscan
Do you not want to have to actually aim your shots, you fucking baby? That's why they're called skill shots.
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Default deck on Aurora is dumb
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I want to like twinblast more, but his dash isn't very good and i don't like how his ult zooms in when you use it
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>Be Morrigan
>Dragged into netherrealm by Rev
>Get thunked by his supporting Narbash outside of Nether
>Die

I mean I thought the ult made it just between us but don't you lie to me Ebic
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>>175119318
Yup that's how I've been dying. Rev's ult is actually broken.
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>>175120152
>Rev ult someone
>Runaway while your team kills them and they can do nothing
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>Team roams around all match feeding the enemy
>No laning and minimal minion kills for all allies
>Lose game
>>175121893
Yup.
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>Get invited to a party by someone who I have relative success with
>"Fuck it at least they'll listen to comms"
>Get locked out of all of my picks
>"Fuck it I'll go offlane Serath"
>Get forced into jungle
>"I haven't jungled in months nut whatever"

>"Proceed to above-average jungeling while my team 1v3's nonstop"

>Defeat
>Get deleted/blocked from the "friend" who invited me

I would care less if I wasn't losing all fucking day in Rev-caused hour long matches. It's been a really bad day. A really fucking bad day. Not to mention this asshole that just blocked me is lower elo than I am. I just should have fucking known better.

This is game-dropping type shit.
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>>175118060
agreed. that shit is useless, he might as well just hop with how far he goes
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bum
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about to go up against some people from Team Oxygen, pray for me /parag/
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>>175132929
NA or EU?
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>>175133017
NA but they're taking forever in their match, so we might not go up against them cause team is getting impatient.
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>>175133180
Which players? They are all pretty fucking good desu
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In what world does 8 kills make dying 14 times acceptable?

Yes I'm the carry and I only had two kills but goddamn when you can't get your head out of your own ass to see that getting one kill for every 2 deaths isn't helping your team you should really go back to fucking grade school and learn basic arithmetic.

Yes I mad.
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>>175133464
If you don't have a 2 k/d/a for a match you went poorly, it's that simple.
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>>175133180
Never mind, we're doing drafts right now.
I know we're going up against MartyRivia for sure.

I'm not sure about everyone else but I think Medzz, Arsenic and either imsKo or iCameron are in there too.
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>>175133795
I just wish that people would realize that just because I'm a carry that doesn't mean I can 1v5 when you lose the basic capacity to understand numbers and die 14 times.
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REMOVE PS4TARD, REMOVE
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>>175133841
We got our ass handed to us but it was really fun just playing against them.
I managed to sneak a kill on imSko and almost killed Arsenic twice but got too nervous with my tether and missed and got too greedy the second time.
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>>175136237
Jesus.
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>tfw actually winning again

We are all going to make it /parag/
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>>175136695
I was where you are just yesterday. It all falls apart eventually.
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I really like Twin Blast. Is there any tricks with him besides sending your double shot right after you normal attack.
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>>175139395
Yea you play Yin.
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Fuck me, why would you not attack while having OP? Can people really be this retarded? I understand that crap its not instawin anymore but it gives a huge fucking bonus to everything. I ended up sitting on my ass someone would accompany my four-shotting ass to the nearest inhib. Goddamnmit
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>>175139946
Not that guy but sell me on Yin what makes so her good?
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>>175139946
I don't like whip tits.
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>Play like total absolute crap
>win
>Play really good
>2 dudes on my team go AFK mid game and lose
>tfw
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>>175140613
Nice range, damage and attack speed per se. Scrubs call her OP all the time. I still prefer TB, been playing with him since Legacy days when he was nerfed out of existence. Just a nice dude overall
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>>175140613
Lifesteal and mobility
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>>175140613
so her good...yep I need to sleep.
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>>175111414
You wanted to play Unreal Tournament the Moba. Suck it up.
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>>175123729
>This new hero causes longer matches

Are you retarded?
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>>175141275
What kinda cunt wants hit scan?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Revenant's ult stops tower from focusing him if its melting minions and he dives you

I AM SO FUCKING MAD AT THIS SHIT DEV TEAM
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>>175142182
People that actually play shooters.
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>we originally intended for revenant ult to be a 1v1
>but we couldn't do it because of time constraints lol

how about if the hero isn't ready don't release them instead of releasing this broken hack fuck of a character just to preserve your epic #le 3 week meme that no one cares about
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>>175143839
I FUCKING LIED IT JUST COMPLETELY NEGATES TOWERS
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>>175144072
So people that have no skill.
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>>175144579
That makes like, zero sense and I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm convinced you don't either.
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>>175145785
Hitscan isn't skill.
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>>175145896
>>175145785
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>been playing voodoo bitch
>end up absolutely destroying the enemy nearly 90% of the time
So this is what it feels like to be cheap.
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Well this is nice.
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>>175148824
Enjoy your rep
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>>175149287
lucky!
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>>175149287
I got four card packs and a lot of rep and I got 1000 coins from the loot crate.
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>enemy Revenant builds 3x Redeye Nitro
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>>175151870
He doesn't really feel like a crit guy. Feels like a caster.
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>Playing ghost bounty hunter
>gideon jumps into our group as we push to the inhibitor
>ults as he is in the air
>send me and him to the shadow realm
>kill him while taking heavy damage
>come out of it and no one took damage but me
>get spammed good jobs
Well that's a fun use for that.
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>>175133464
I had a Yin on my team recently who insisted.that they were better than the rest of our "shit" team because they didn't have 16 kills like them
They couldn't understand when I told them that their 14 deaths made it considerably less impressive.
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>>175138487
This. It's happened more times than I can remember at this point.
>yes, I'm finally, finally getting out of this gold shitshow
>time for the matchmaking to start screwing me over for the next 8 games
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>>175152957
I think it's more that attack speed doesn't really do anything for him except mitigate the reload time.
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Anyone know if there was one of those hour long demo's for Rev like there was for Aurora?
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Three minutes until I can claim my first upgraded Diamond chest!
inb4 cards and rep
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>>175156848
Score!
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>>175156848
40 coins actually ain't bad.
tfw. not that long ago they dropped like over hundred semi-often
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>>175159298
Yeah, I guess I'm spoiled: before Crates and chests, I would go months without a single coin drop.
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Is it possible to save your team from an aurora ult by dragging her to the nether realm after she's ulted them? Or does the stun just go through anyway?
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>>175160730
I think that after the effect has been activated (you started to freeze) it will kick off regardless what you do.
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Thinking of maining Narbash for a while, lads. He seems to have found his way back into common rotation. Never understood why folks chose Dekker over him, desu.
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>>175161558
Dekker is ranged and has a superior ult. Narbash is good now because of the new heavy emphasis on orb/raptors.
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anyone else notice the daily login rewards just get steadily worse the further down the line you go?
I'm expecting day 120 to award 1 rep at this rate
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>>175162343
Yep. Man I was really disappointed to find out after finally getting this Twinblast skin that the 60th day reward isn't another cool skin but a shitty key. I have 3 of those already.
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>>175161672
>Superior Ult
I don't know man. I mean, it synergises really well with Howie, Aurora and Gadget, but Narbash's does too, just not as well. I guess it's more of a defensive option, whereas Narbash's is offensive, but in the TDM meta, that strikes me as a bad thing.
As for her being ranged, I don't count that as a plus, seeing as how her damage is non-existent. I prefer thunk to Stasis Bomb, too, because it's a lot faster and it isn't bugged. Also: throw on Clearheart for yourself, Quenching Scales and Nature's Muse, and I think healing becomes viable with Song of My People and a focus on building Mana Regen.
Obviously Dekker's better, because the statistics speak for themselves (consistently picked at the highest tiers), but I think that Narbash is a solid alternative that's been slept on. I remember when Monolith first dropped with Twin/ Narbash being the default safelane combo.
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>>175162625
The thing is, locking enemies with Dekker's ult so that they can be targetted is just a one way to use it. You can just as well use it to escape pursuing enemies(or catch fleeing ones). You can lock someone under a tower that have targetted them. It's just much more versatile
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>>175162916
I guess. It also doesn't leave you a giant target for the duration, like Narbash's does. Like I said: Dekker's is by all accounts better, but I think I just prefer Narbash's kit, even if healing isn't the most optimal route to go these days. Going off-meta can be pretty fun, must be why you see more Kallaris and Riktors in Plat and Diamond.
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>>175163208
Definitely, I prefer Dekker, but nothing's wrong with Narbash. And autistically clutching to meta is cancer
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>it's another belicia blames the jungler for her mistakes episode
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>>175162524
>tfw I've was happy to get a key because I've been getting rewarded nothing but loot crates
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de_stroyed
sneaky is T R A S H
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>>175165762
>tfw 4 crates but no keys
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>>175166381
Izzat that one bronze smurf asshole with a bunch of sad groupies?
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>>175166381
fuck
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>>175166498
yep
only got 3 elo because of his scumbag tactics instead of the 10+ we should have gotten
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>>175166535
You would think they could organise a decent team comp if they are doing all this retarded smurfing
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So, I am steady and fast climbing through gold and I think I just started hitting the low plat uber toxic shiters that think they should be masters but are stuck in this elo because others drag them down.. At this point, I am not even sure whether it's worth trying to climb or better drop back to bronze where u can "have fun"

Pic Related, gems from few games today, feel free to add your own.
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>>175166385
>tfw 4 keys but no crates
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when is this game coming out of foreverbeta
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>>175167625
fuck these people

>always charge by themselves into huge groups of enemies
>I stay back because I don't want to die
>"WOOOW THANKS FOR LEAVING ME FUCK THIS TEAM"
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>>175166535
Jesus
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>playing Rampage
>after a really rocky start, my team finds its feet
>late game, every time we get 2+ enemies dead, someone pings attack orb
>first time, our carry's already dead
>second time, our carry runs at three enemies alone on mid and dies
>3rd time, our carry leaves to do something halfway through and I get killed by OP because I didn't notice
>they come back as I die to continue, and everyone but me gets the buff while I have to watch their dumb asses fumble into lanes to split push instead of attacking
Now, I'm not going to pretend I didn't fuck up by not retreating when my health was low, but come on.
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>>175171990
They seem to actually be making a lot of improvements. I played it a bit early this year and the current game is better optimized has a ton more heroes and little things like the fps/ping counter actually work.
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>>175174530
>Be carry
>Try to push lane by myself
>Mid laner dies trying to initiate a team fight
>"THANKS FOR THE HELP! GOOD JOB!"

>Try to help in team fights
>"Can someone push right lane? Jesus Christ you're trash"

I don't know what to do
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>>175176959
I was amazed at how fast games loaded after the map rework a few weeks back: instead of taking up to 2 minutes in extreme cases, it's basically instant now. I just wish the map itself was more vertical. I'm not one of those idiots crying for it to come back, but I do really miss Legacy
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>>175166535
I feel like you've got the highest elo here, didnt know cmstarke was that high tho
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>>175177292
Shitters going to keep being shitters. In this game people tend to make the same mistakes over and over again because they don't realize theyre making that mistake
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>>175174530
sometimes that hurts the most. people blame me for not being in the fight but sometimes it just feels like it's not worth it. the enemy will have better position/matchup/numbers so I just fall back because two deaths are worse than one. next thing I know the idiot who got caught up or ran into that shit is blaming me and won't let it go for the next twenty minutes.
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i just got a daily reward for "intermediate heroes" but considering ive been playing the game since it was closed beta i already have them
do i get anything for this daily reward that i havent seen yet?
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>>175180142
I don't think you get anything, unfortunately.
I remember being disappointed that it wasn't substituted for something when my turn to claim that one came around.
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>>175123729
>Rev-caused hour long matches
What did he mean by this?
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Are we on our way to getting the ultimate edgelord team comp?

>Rev as adc/carry
>Gideon mid
>Sevarog jungle
>????
>????
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>>175177292
>>175178947
You can't win. Its even worse with these people who insta lock Revenant and go 1-20 with him.
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feels GREAT mayne
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>>175141437
>>175180823

About 80% of matches that I've have had since Revanant has released and has been on my team have gone well over an hour.

>Play match with Rev teammate
>Lose at 1:07:etc.

>Draft lobby
>Someone wants Revy
>"Please pick a different hero"
>They go Yin
>I Lock in Master Sparrow
>Win at 46:42'

Rev has been wasting my time
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>>175183413
It's probably because no one builds him right
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>>175183413
>Pick Rev
>win at min 17:52

Don't you fucking dare tell me to pick a different hero
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>>175183996
I bet you didn't build full crit/attack speed
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>>175181792
Gideon is not edgy though, at least until they add his voice lines. Add Kallari or Countess to this line up though.
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>>175184548
Revenant, Morigesh, Countess, Kallari, ...
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>>175183996

I'm happy you have been so successful in your endeavors.
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>>175184548

>Look at bio
>"Saw a star explode. Fell in love.
>Spawn in and let's a supernova spawn in his hand to which he collapses it

Gideon is pretty edgy imo
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>>175185792
Half of characters have bio that can be read as edgy in one way or another. And this fact itself isn't that edgy, I mean Supernovas ARE freaking beautiful. If he instead sworn that he would one day control such power or something now that would be edgy.

Don't get me wrong, from what we know of his background information Gideon is an edgelord(although not ad complete one - craving for power doesn't necessarily have to be edgy), but his appearance or powers aren't really edgy by themselves - we have to wait for voicelines to unlock his edge potential.
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How do I Belica /parag/?
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>>175186512
>Place the drone kind of on the side of teamfight or behind enemies so it won't be instantly destroyed
>Your flip up+bomb combo deals serious damage
>Late game your ult fucking deletes enemies with more than half health if they have little mana.
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>>175186512
What's a good way to build her? Full power?
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>>175187214
Different anon but I've been playing her with power and health

I used to run mana regen but with how my games usually goes; late game fights usually require multiple combos of burst damage and if we win or lose a team fight it's much more productive to recall than to stay out in lanes

You can always go to agora.gg to check out decks that people have made
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>>175187214
FULL POWER & Pen, don't forget to make room for 8CP for a Hydroverser. Once you come online you pretty much rape every squishy in the game.
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>>175187214
>>175189000
Probably should clarify that I run mana, power, health currently

Mana regen can be useful early to mid game but maybe for like, one card
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>>175187214
Power and a bit of Ability Pen. Some mana if you want Hydroverser. Health is nice for early/mid game sustain, I start out with a couple adamant edges and discard them for expensive stuff later.
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>>175145785
Hitscan is literary "point and shoot" and one of the worst shit that the casualization of console shooters forced upon the medium since dumbed down games sells more. It rivals regenerative health when it comes to shittines.
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>Niggers who don't call when people are missing from their lanes
It's ok I'm just dancing in mid about to kill the other midlaner while keeping an eye towards the jungle, I don't mind someone suddenly stunning me from behind because the offlaner couldn't fucking bother saying the carry and support is missing you FUCKING CUNT WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE MAKING THE GAME HARDER THAN IT HAS TO DO JUST FUCKING TELL IF THERE'S SOMEONE MISSING IF THERE'S NO WARD HOLY FUCK HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSE TO DEAL WITH SOME FUCKWIT GIDDIDY DIDDION IF I KEEP GETTING GANKED YOU FUCKING USELESS OFFLANER HOLY FUCK UNINSTALL THE GAME PLAY FUCKING TETRIS OR SOMETHING IF YOU'RE TOO FUCKING AUTISTIC TO COMMUNICATE UNDER ANY FUCKING CIRCUMSTANCE
FUCK
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>>175192308
The minimap is so humongous in Paragon compared to other mobas that its impossible not to see when someone is missing from lane. Sounds like you have tunnel vision. Pay attention. Get good.
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So I tried HotS for the first time for the overwatch stuff and I'm somewhat interested in the moba set up, but I'm not too into the top down deal. Paragon looks like it's a more actiony variant. Does it also have the terribly long games that I always see as a complaint?
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>>175193623
They're about an hour typically. Epic has said that they want shorter rounds, but their attempts at hat so far have been pretty bad.
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>>175191871
>console shooters forced upon the medium
man are you stupid or something? hitscan was popularized far before shooters became mainstream on consoles. I'm talking back in quake, unreal tournament, and Counter Strike. I really don't know where you're getting this mentality that hitscan means it's easy to aim. maybe you're thinking of aim assist.

that being said I think projectiles better suit a game like Paragon
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>>175193623
I don't like how Hots is just getting coated in Overshit's garbage.
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>>175194438
That feels like it's maybe a little too long for me. Shame, I like a couple of the characters and that fact that it's not this stupid RTS garbage set up.
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Just once I would like to be on the team that waits for the other team to start raptors/prime before ganking them

This shit has been happening all night.

Who the fuck thinks they can just waltz to the raptors and not attract any attention
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What everyone expected from rev's ult and the reality is hilarious

>rev ults you
>turn and run
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>>175194501
>quake, unreal tournament, and Counter Strike

>that being said I think projectiles better suit a game like Paragon

Then what was the point?
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>>175194902
Before Revenant came out my matches usually came around to about 35-40 minutes

Maybe I'm ass at the game now though
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>>175202081
Yeah, it's fucking hilarious that he ults me and I just run away. When I play him I tend to use it either if the enemy is about to die or to counter a certain dangerous enemy in a team fight.
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>>175203665
That's because OP was an insta-win for the past few weeks, now he's been nerfed a fair amount.
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>want to play howi
>some guy in draft picks him even though i had him ready
>he goes kda of 1.5
>routinely uses his land mine on stupid stuff
>misses rockets
>his KDA is only that high because he got a few assists

why must people torture me
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Dekker is fun
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Just played a match with someone called "RuthlessThugz"

>Lock in Narbash
>They lock in Revenant
>Revenant follows me around the map for direction
>After a minion clear he just stands there
>"Rev what are you doing?"
>"Eating pizza"

>Rev proceeds to push every lane but his, initiate team fights by self and ignore every retreat
>After 20 more minutes we surrender
>Rev goes 3-8-8
>All of this in gold elo

In complete honesty, people tried harder in silver elo and I enjoyed it
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Would you guys be happy if we got a real ranked mode?
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>>175187214
Power and pen, cards with health already on them so I dont have to build it. Divine shield and tele blink.
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3 days until Narbash is unlocked
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>>175205046

Ah ok, didn't realize. Not sure I understand though I thought Ebin wanted shorter match times
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>>175212604
They do, but they've been going about it the wrong way
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would love a support hero with life grip

imo it should be muriels m2
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When does the queue draft reset work? I'd like to know how to abuse it if I don't get Revenant.
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>>175215696
You're the person everyone hates
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>>175215010
dlet this
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>>175215696
This is a thing? Why?
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>>175216095
I can live with that. I noticed it is 4 minutes and then 20 minutes and I'm trying to figure out when it resets.
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>>175212704

Well I liked Monolith because how it did make matches shorter.

But now with how match times have been looking I'd rather be back on legacy.
At least Legacy was fun and the length of the matches were because of how long it took to run through jungles and dunking orb prime

For some reason long matches on Monolith annoy the ever living fuck out of me
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>>175217021
because the map is so tiny. legacy was big and there felt like there were so many places you could be or things you could be doing. the jungle felt like an actual jungle with all of it's confusing twists and turns. monolith is so damn sterile it almost puts me to sleep
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>>175218758

I'd guess that pretty much sums up how I feel.

On another note after winning only maybe 30% of my games with Revenant (locking in or a teammate playing him), I just played with Sparrow and made the enemy team surrender at 23:55'

>Team Comp: Sparrow, Dekker, Morigesh, Aurora

>Enemy team: Revenant, Narbash, Morigesh, Serath, Countess

I don't know what it is but Rev and I just don't have any symmetry...
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>>175219698
it's because you picked the superior carry
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>>175080827
How should I play Aurora?
I have the LS + Pen deck

Last time I played was when you could put a key at towers and it extracted card points, khaimera was my main back then but the meta has changed and I've been playing aurora and shinbi.
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>>175221242
Got master with her recently. Thanks anon, put a smile on my face
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>>175221242
That skin is fake right?
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>>175203536
that your objectively, and most definitely subjectively, an absolute retard
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>>175226076
>that *your objectively, and most definitely subjectively, an absolute retard

>*You're

Furthermore Quake/Unreal Tournament both had weapons that used hitscan as well real time projectile physics.
If you had both kinds of weapons in Unreal tournament you could combo attacks into better attacks such as the slow moving plasma Orb cannon into the railgun.

>inb4 bit the bait
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>>175226424
I'd still rather not have any hitscan in this game.
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>>175226517

I agree with you, but as always, the more popular a game gets, the more casual retards will want it
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>sneaky called a guy I play with a "scrim booster" because someone mentioned the guy "boosted" to his elo
>he was silver, jumped to high plat
>we were just trying to get some practice in
meanwhile
>>175166535
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>>175229134
Who the FUCK is sneaky
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>2 dead on our team
>Enemy team attacks orb prime
>Gideon the only one close enough to do something
>Khaimera wailing on OP like crazy
>Gideon readies his hand

>OP at a sliver of health
>Gideon lowers his hand, stealing orb prime
>Enemy team converges on him
>Gideon jukes them by running into their jungle

>You can see them hunting for him in their jungles
>Makes the run home on some Behind Enemy Lines type shit

>mfw

Man this game can be so good sometimes
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>>175222185
Can't go wrong with pure damage and attack speed. I thought ability pen would be great at first, too, but her offensive abilities aren't for damage and half of her kit is for maneuverability, so it's kind of a waste.
I'd go windcarver, adamant edge and whirling wands with a ward for good measure.
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>>175230063
No idea, some cuck with buttbuddies according to the thread.
>>175230447
Stuff like this keeps me playing.
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i like it how there is a Revenant in every fucking team now, even if the cunt does not fit the team comp at all and can't play for shit
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>>175234045
Yup.
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>Seen nothing but shitty iggys
>play him for the first time cause I unlocked him
>murder the entire team
So like was I either fighting against retards or was I only fighting retard iggys?
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>top 500 originally elo sites now have a seasons considered bronze yet playing with Masters and Diamonds
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>go pure power on Revenant
>can 100-0 squishies with Scar + Obliterate
Jesus
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>retarded tdm deathball meta
>monolith is so tiny if you try to rat push the deathball will just be on you within seconds
>morigesh
>revenant's absolutely retarded ult
this game is just not going in the a good direction and hasnt been for like 4 months
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>>175202081
>rev ults you
>turn and run back to your towers for safety
>it completely negates the tower and you die
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>>175222185

>Go to agora.gg
>Click decks
>Choose character
>??????

>>175239460
I don't mind that it's only you and Revenant dueling when he ults. It's literally a stand off (all things equal).
What's fucking annoying is Ebin fucking up and letting abilities with AOE effect people in the Nether.

Ruined what could have been a really cool ult
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I've been in a losing streak since Revenant came out but the only good thing to have come out of this is overcoming my anxiety of playing Serath in the offlane.
I've never played her in an actual game and always wanted to play her in offlane because that's the lane I feel best in and she's amazing.
By the time I get complete my first item, her damage gets crazy compared to other heroes I've played like Kwang and Greystone. I was surprised by how much she can just burn through enemies in the late game. I was diving their back lines and killing Revenant in 3 quick basics, the only thing that stopped me was if I got caught in Grux or Steel's cc or Countess would just delete me.
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>>175244583
Forgot to mention, anybody got some tips for her, especially if it comes to playing her in offlane?
I usually wait for someone to initiate, then I'll jump in and either help kill the enemy we've focused on or dive the enemy's backline and quickly kill the adc.
Here's my build for her...
https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/deckbuilder/en-US/decks/Synonynonym/054c5ef2-5edf-4d46-81e0-672d9df7f92f
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>>175240082
>Ebin fucking up and letting abilities with AOE effect people in the Nether.
What? That's fucking stupid.
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>>175239141
#legacywasbetter

I had the worst game in awhile where I just kept getting ganked in mid because of those fucking back side flanks (raptor and amber link) on Legacy you could only get ganked from mid by maybe greystone or Howi

Mid is just unfun on Monolith because it's stupid how many retarded holes it has
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>>175234045
He feed buy you should've did better as greystone
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>>175092690
this
yesterday i got one that wanted to play revenant, another one sparrow, and another yin jungle
revenant went mid, still managed to win though
>pic related
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>>175250173
Thing is, if you manage to survive until late game, you're overpowering their asses hands down
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>>175209716
Id be happier with proper matchmaking
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>>175234931
the first one
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>draft
>team comp is almost perfect, second pick just needs to go carry and we're on track
>locks in Howitzer to go safelane with Aurora
>people start freaking out "omg no revenant"
>I'm more concerned about the lack of any carry at all
>"lol u can win with any hero"
>"Rev is a garbage hero"
>"need teamplay"
>"just learn the game mechanics lol"
>Aurora chimes in to agree with Mr. Snrub
>I dodge because fuck that
>check on Agora, Howitzer and Aurora are a pair of buttbuddies that have played 18 games together and autistically play the same characters every single game
>51% win rate
This is why I get annoyed when people tell me to get good and carry myself to higher ELO's instead of relying on a good team: retards like these guys somehow find their way into my games with alarming frequency.
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Is it wrong I want to play Shinbi just because I love bard and singing attacker kind of characters?
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>>175263167
A had a game like that where I'd ended up in a lobby with 4 obvious stack, because they all had the same name with little variations.

I deluded myself into think they were good players. tl;dr they weren't. infact one of them disconnected for 5 minutes and they still wanted to keep going despite being 1 - 10 on kills and 1 player 5 levels behind.
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Just downloaded the game.
Can someone explain decks to me?
I guess you start with a basic deck, and you can buy, or build, or something other items to put in it?
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>>175244583

She's a VERY solid off laner. I'd say that's her role even more-so than jungler. But she can do both so whatevs.

>>175244793
The usual combo is to ascend and then clap. Depending on who you're dealing with you may have to delay the clap until the enemy uses their ability.
>See Yin I attack
>Yin runs
>Attack until she's out of range
>Serath ascends come down on her
>She uses her leap kick
>She never gets far enough out of range for the clap
>Use clap into Serath ult
>Delete Yin

>>175249513
Yeah, Ebin fucking up; What else is new
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>>175249827
I like it in the sense that you actually need wards now, and it gives junglers an actual chance at midlaners
>Be Belica fighting Iggy in mid
>Iggy starts pushing up
>"Wow, this Iggy's either got balls or is retarded"
>Turn around
>MOTHERFUCKINGGRUX.jpg
>Haul ass under tower like a bitch
>Grux Jumps away into Jungle
>I can feel him kek'ing

>Grux was standing there right outside of my camera for a whole 30 seconds when I watch my after match replays

>>175268739
Decks are basically what kind of build you want to make for the hero. What I like about them is that depending on how the match is going you can build through the deck how you like until you reach the end-game cards.

When you get more of an idea of how the game works, you can start building your own decks.

Or you can go to agora.gg, click decks, and copy the best ones
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>>175249936
yes. Can't deny that.
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I have to say, I don't really like this Play X days to unlock heros" thing, especially when none of the starting heroes really appeal to me at all.
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>>175263167
>being this much of a metaslave
>not being able to use your brain beyond "durrr we no have cookie cutter team composition bad comp!!!"
Think how well Aurora and Howie combo, as well as Howie's insane burst late game. Think about Howie's STRONG as fuck CC combined with Aurora's decent CC. If the offlaner gets caught out they're dead, and neither of the two need to be babysat so the other can roam and gank.
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I just had the best game in a while. A neverending clusterfuck of not-so-good players clashing everywhere. You can tell both teams were full of bad players because we both got OP 2 times. Shit was and all-out battle royale. Even though we lost, that match brought joy to me. Its reminded me of the good ol' days, was kek'ing half the time.
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>join solo game
>3 people on my team instalock revenant
>no one has even picked a hero on either team
>draft aborting
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>>175277947
Is this "Revenant is shit" thing similar to the "Serath is useless" crap?
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>tfw you stop playing mobas and turn back into a normal, well adjusted person
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>>175278438

Almost everyone is fucking garbage with him and it pisses me off so much, especially when im supporting him. Ive had three different rounds where either before or just as the initial minion waves are meeting, I unlock scar, charge morigesh, and kill her. I was solo laning vs her on one of these occasions. Watching revenants farm without even trying to harass their mori makes me want to pull my fucking hair out.

I went 20-4 the game I solo'd vs mori. 10 cp and 2 levels higher than her 15 minutes in.
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>>175278438
He lacks cleave and aoe that other ADCs have. He also can't or struggles to solo OP.
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I...just had a Dekker spam ping "Attack right lane!!" and "I need help!!" and just mashed auto at me for 15m because I refused to attack the wave other than for last hits, and tried to pull creeps back to the tower...

This was in plat boys...it doesn't get any better.
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>get blue variation of sparrows new skin
>never get to play her any more
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>>175276401
That system was made so new players couldn't screw up matches by picking high skill characters, and to encourage people to keep coming back. It's annoying, but it's actually a good thing for the game.
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>Howitzer is complaining about kill stealing
>Going to every lane but right and supporting
>Howitzer is currently 2-9-5

I thought the higher I went in gold elo, the better people got

>Name is ElJose

Ah ok
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>>175278438
I feel like most of the random revenants I've played with have been really bad and don't understand basic map awareness or objectives. Granted they'd probably be bad with any other character, but I've been noticing it a decent amount. It's also more noticeable since he was just released and if you solo que 3 separate people will try to play Rev and even if someone picks sparrow and you need an offlaner or support one of those people will decide they needed to play Rev anyway and not help the team at all.

basically this character is really easy to dislike from their edginess and bad teammates flocking to him
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>>175282305
Not even the ranged minions? They deal the most damage to yours and can hurt your support if they try to harass the enemy offlane.

People tend to want to push and destroy the safelane t1 so they can rotate, not sit and farm last hits
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>>175284527
I understand why they did it, but, as you said, it's still very annoying, especially if you don't like how the first groups of characters play.

I guess I'll just run around as Gadget for now until I unlock Crunch. There's just something about a boxing robit that I love.
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I'm east coast us in gold elo

What time do good people get on so I don't play with, Hispanics, dumb asses, and snowflakes?
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>>175285067
you'll be waiting forever
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>>175282305
Change Wife to Dekker and Me to Rev
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>>175276745
Wanting a Carry instead of two chucklefucks in discord trying unsuccessfully to coordinate their ults is being a meta slave? And even if that wasn't a clear red flag, I'm supposed to take it on faith that these guys know what they're doing when they think Revenant is shit? Not a chance.
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>>175267104
Why would it be?
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>>175284527
Keeping advanced characters away from newbies is a good thing, but amount of days on which you logged in is by no means a measure of player's skill and therefore this system doesn't make fucking sense. Even unlock on level up was better than that.
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It's hilarious seeing on here everyone saying Revenant lacks certain things and takes skill to play, but then you go on Reddit and there are a ton of people wanting him to seriously be nerfed.

I've played 3 games with him now, all of which I've gone positive kda 3+. And if Ebin listens to reddits suggestion on nerfing his obliterate, I know for a fact he would be useless.

He has no escape and an ultimate that deals no damage. He needs his obliterate to even function.

Thanks for reading my rant.
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Sure is great getting matched with morons who don't know basic arithmetic or how to tell if the enemies have more people there than we do.

"hurr durr ima fight this 1v3 i can carry rite guise"
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>>175287798
hopefully they understand that obliterate issues is a situational awareness issues on the person being attacked, rather than it just dealing too much damage.
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>Draft lobby
>Pick sparrow
>Tell teammate to not pick rev
>They go Kwang
>No Rev on our team
>Hallelujah.mp3

>Enemy team has a Rev in the offlane
>DisGonBeGood.jpg

>Make them surrender at 15:35

Feels fucking great man
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>>175288837
Pictured is the enemy Kwang feeding you cxp
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>>175288837
Enjoy your 1 good match per 5 shit ones
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>>175289013
>1 good match per 5 shit ones
>Literally how yesterday went

Don't ruin this for me
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>>175268739
Still don't get why they made the deck building so unclear in the game also it would be nice to have the heroes separated by their roles on the drafting screen.
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>>175289679
For whatever reason the card screen is horribly cluttered for me, with tooltips staying on screen after I've stopped mousing over a card.

It's to the point that I have to look for what I want, find it, close the menu, then open it again to grab it.
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>>175289679
I don't know man, it has always been pretty damn intuitive for me, I got it without problems. As for roles, we actually used to have an option to pick a role on drafting screen, but Ebin decided that they want to "move away from traditional role system since many heroes can be played in different ways and replace them with tags". Retarded, I know.
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Down for a game or two. IGN is Agasio
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>>175290826
question is can you carry my sorry ass out of silver
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>>175291256

I'm down for playing with anyone as long as they understand basic game mechanics and know how to do math.
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>>175289865
The tooltip bug happens in the shop too.
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Where is the porn?
Why are their no pictures of Countess getting her sweet butthole fucked and having her intestines pumped full of semen?

Why are there no NarbashxMorigesh pictures where Morigesh is riding Narbash or GreystonexSparrow incest after he imprisons her for raiding his caravans.

Look at the top generals and you will see a common theme. Lewd images for the OP image.
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>>175293334

The game isn't popular.

Order some commissions or invite some drawfags
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>>175284760
ok so listen since this is clearly your first moba. the point of a carry is to CARRY the team late game. as such they scale really well mid-late game. in order to do this they require as much farm as possible.

when you just constantly push the lane and hold auto attacks, not only are you susceptible to ganks (even if you ward the lane you won't make it back to your tower in time before the ganker gets to you or your support) but you make it easier for the offlaner to get experience and gold, and him just being there gives him the advantage. you are making his job easier. it is called the "safe lane" because the offlaner has to push all the way up just to get exp and that makes him very vulnerable.

WHEN you take the tower early as fuck so "you can rotate" you are not only making your job a lot harder (you have to push up even further for last hits which means damn son you're in enemy territory now), your time spent rotating means time you're not earning any xp or cp, and you're stealing cp and xp from other people.

you push to take the tower when you come online, no earlier. auto attacking minions upsets the equilibrium and fucks you up against decent players. if anyone wants to rotate and roam it should be the support after they drop wards and when the wave is near your tower.

im hi as fuck but basic tips if you wanna get outta silver-gold.
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>>175296513
Lol I can tell ur experienced with mobas but bro u forgot this is Paragon? None of that applies its just TDM deathball team fight garbage. There's no snowballing, being behind in CP doesn't matter, just team fight then take OP.
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>>175297316
>being behind in CP doesn't matter

Different anon, you have a point but being behind in CP is a serious disadvantage.
You're grossly understating situations
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>>175287798
>>175288138
to be fair minions aren't always going to be around and late game Rev can literally one shot them so in a scenario where it's just you and him it sucks that he can land a lock on attack (scar) that increases dmg and hit you with a volley of more lock ons (obliterate) that do an insane amount of ability dmg considering he's a ranger not caster and then delete you in like one or two basic follow ups

Think about it no other ADC has more than one lock on hell even Grim is the only one with one and that's his ult which has been hugely nerfed post legacy

Is Rev OP? not more than other ADCs not really, is he brainded to get easy high dmg vs other ADCs that at least take good aim skill, YES
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>>175293334
This game is just lousy with cute girls even the "ugly" ones like Morigesh are still kinda hot.
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>>175297826
Mmmm I guess you're right when being 5CP behind could mean having a blinkshot and escaping death but I was thinking the difference between a Belica and Gideon both lv 7 where Belica has a fountain spike w/ 2 Casts vs Gideon's Raw spike
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I hope the next hero is all skillshots.
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I want someone to rationalize why Morigesh Mark does as much damage as it does.
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>>175305487
Because its a caster nuke, the same that every other caster has, and in fact scales worse than r2000 meteor or gadget mine

The reason why people complain about it is because its not a "skillshot" and hits instantly. Not only does it do less damage, but has half as much range to poke, so stop complaining shitter
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>>175307832

It's on a 5 second cooldown, it's literally undodgable, and it can do upwards of 350 damage late game. Please, tell me why they though it was a good idea.
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>>175307832
The CD is also extremely low lmfao are you kidding me? You're no better than ledditors sucking Epic dick "stop complaining about x, epic is doing a great job and its amazing that they're so charitable and are giving us this game for free"
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Because she can't use it on minions, raptors or OP.

her wave clear is shit and she has to get closer than most casters to poke stuff.

If you nerf her mark, what does she have left?
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>>175308842
This desu.
>>175309523
Her ult :^)
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Muriel is a strange character to play.
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>>175302634
I'm not very experienced in MOBA's, much less Paragon (just got to level 5) but in my experience it is the utility of abilities that cause such issues.

Perhaps the mark should no longer be a lock on. Obliterate's auto locking to anything, thus reducing it's damage, seems enough to warrant its power in various situations.
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>>175312862
Because of her shiny metal ass and weird running animation?
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>Shinbi goes back to base
>can't help but stand around for the music.
What is happening to me...
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>>175313769
I love both her shiny metal ass and her weird running animation. fits her character so well.
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>>175313769
Yeah I suppose.
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>>175313769
She looks like she's trying to run in a pool
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>>175315784
She needs a "be patient I have autism" hat. She's interesting to play though.
>>175314114
I know that feel
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>>175316886
She certainly runs slow enough to be
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So is shinbi useful or was it just a ploy to cater to nips?
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>>175317062
gooks not nips
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>>175317062
shut the fuck up you insufferable inconsiderate insurmountable industrial level retarded racist cunt. shinbi is fun and deserves her spot just as much as any other hero
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is there any point in building armor?
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>our Yin had no attack speed until Blast Harness
>even then it was the bare minimum
Okay then...
On a side note: smaller map size, increased movement and a meta leaning towards high damage is an absolute clusterfuck.
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>>175317062
no she's hot trash just like release serath

>>175317867
no people will just delete you in half a second anyway
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>>175317867
Depends on your hero.

And what you're up against.
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>>175317990
>no people will just delete you in half a second anyway
what about health? or should i just dump it all into damage?
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>>175318096
>Depends on your hero.
greystone
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>>175318113
I have recently started playing a tank Kwang build with Thermo-bond and I have to say it works really well.
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>>175317867
I just played as Countess against a Countess building one Spiked Boneplate and one Thorned Greenweave with two 3 point defense cards in each. it took me ulting her 3 or 4 times before I realised something was wrong, because she was walking away from my combo with health to spare.
tl;dr - it's situational, but it can make a difference. I wouldn't build it on a fighter unless it's Greystone, though (stacks with his passive armour so you're basically doubling up by building it).

Are there any Growth fighters? That would be busted.
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>>175318113
Their composition matters. If they have more heroes that deal mostly ability damage, you can't go wrong with a tuned barrier and 7-9 pts of ability armor.

Me, I go for a balance between both armors and HP. Especially go for thermobond these days with team compositions of extreme CC.
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>>175318341
Tanky Sevarog late game is annoying as fuck
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>>175318113
Dump 100% of it into damage and delete them before they can delete you. That's about as much as you can do for this meta.
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>>175318464
>tfw 3k hp tanky sev
>enemy team hits me with 5 stuns/roots
>start regenerating 60% HP back

it's like people don't check what cards people have equipped
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So how does one find fun and competent people to play paragon with? I'm tired of playing by myself, hell I'll even play bots too.
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>>175319457
i've been asking this question since last july
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>>175320935
Is there like a discord or anyone here down to play a match or two tonight? I'm NA
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>>175319457
Send friend requests to good players you meet in solo queue.

Contemplate suicide when they don't reply.
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>>175322474
That's the thing, most of them are pretty bad, at the very least just someone to talk and play with. I've seen too many BR and non NA peeps
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>>175322474
tfw only invited when I have a good match
tfw trash every other match so I decline friend invites
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What's a good character to learn melee on? I'm tired of feeding as Aurora.
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>>175324408
Probably Greystone, he's easy and his ult gives you a second chance
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D E A D
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>>175324489
Thanks. I'll try him in pvp :^)
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>>175329169
5AM
A
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Rate my "First time Greystone I'm halping" build
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bls wake up
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Great, BR 4-man premade on my team...
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>>175331112
>no wards
>baby damage
>touch of thieves
Try again
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>>175332232
It's too late anon, my match just started
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>>175331112
Lots of expensive cards in there, m8: it's going to take you a while to get up and running proper. Hope you have a good set of early-game cards planned.
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>>175332330
Yeah I dun goofed. At least I'm playing with BRs
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>tried playing Muriel
>every single one of the flankers/junglers jumped into 3 on 1s when I was around thinking my buffs could save them from a jumping into a terrible situation.

lost that one, who could've guessed.
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>>175332885
Literally me several matches ago.
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In all my time playing this game, the two worst experiences I've had were with smurf premades who just stuck to eachother like glue and filled the chat with vile toxic crap when things got bad.
If you're going to smurf, don't be a prick.
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>That feel when you turn a corner and find three enemy heroes and they all ultimate you in and instant.
How hath I offended thee?
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>>175314114

You like K-Pop

It was only a matter of time

Embrace it
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>>175287798
Man, fuck them. I've seen really bad Revs. It's not the same as Mori, you literally have to be retarded to be a bad morigesh player, you just can't go wrong. She actually needed to be nerfed. Thing is, people can't accept they die when someone is better or they do stupid shit, so it necessarily means the hero is OP.

Don't nerf his only real damaging ability fuckwits
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>>175335236
He's "OP" because he ults you in the middle of a teamfight and people you can't see trap you and kill you. Or at least that's my complaints about him. No idea what other shitters are complaining about. I usually lose when a Rev is on my team.
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>>175329813
It's 10pm in Freedom Land
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>>175335442
He's basically a "1v1" carry who is designed to be shit at teamfights (the actual fucking meta). His only contribution is temporarily deleting a hero from the fight and letting others do the work. Shit is so situational you can't call that crap being overpowered. I consider myself a decent rev, but I just play better as Sparrow.
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>>175334795
Worst fucking hero desing
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>>175335941
I might just be salty because I play support and get dlet
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Night /parag/
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>>175337690
Night.
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After playing some games as Serath, even the tankiest Sevarog feels like a squishy to me...
they need to fix armor/health in this game so it's actually viable to run health/armor without being deleted in 6 seconds by one carry.
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>>175336042
This
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>>175345390
We need a card that reduces critical hit damage.
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>>175348892
Not sure, but I think there is at least one, might be misremembering or mistaking it with other game though. It's one of those "activate for 2 second if it's friday and full moon, there are at least 3 enemies nearby and you have exaxtly 21,37% health left" cards, so it's pretty much useless
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>ywn let countess suck your blood
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>>175350796
>Piercing
What a trashy vampire.
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I'm confused. Cards only seem to have power stats. Does this mean they increase damage for any attack, physical and energy, basic and ability? Were cards split between physical and energy damage before?
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>>175351594
Power increases all of your damage.

Yes, they were consolidated into a single power card. Don't remember why.
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>>175351594
Yep. But back then damage type depended on the character, not whether it came from basic attacks or abilities. So you had to pick your damage and penetration cards depending on the character you played and pick your armour cards depending on your enemies. Now it's just power, which increases damage from both basic attacks and abilities.
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>>175352056
>>175351957
Okay, so now when trying to get more defense, you instead look to if a character uses a lot of abilities to deal damage, or if they use mostly basic attacks. Alright, thanks.

I'm obviously really new to this. I just made what I thought was a really good Khaimera deck, only to realize that there's two different kinds of cards, passive and active, and I only had passive stuff, so that game took for fucking ever. I didn't see one in the deck builder, but is there a filter for active versus passive?
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>>175353254
You can put passive cards in active cards slots though and most active cards except for potions have a passive bonus in them as well
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>>175356360
>You can put passive cards in active cards slots though
even with 30 points the game wouldn't let me put any of the passive stuff in the active slots.
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>>175356906
Impossible. How exactly did you try do to it? You should be able to just click on a carde to buy it and then click on an empty active or passive slot to put it in there.
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>>175356906
Sometimes the game glitches out

Every now and then When I assign my wards to my right d-pad button and then assign a potion to another d-pad slot (ps4), the game will switch the slots, making me use potions when I wanted to place a fucking ward.

There's some optimization to be done with the UI
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>>175357830
Definitely. I often have a glitch that doesn't allow me to use health potions and displays an "ability is not ready" message when I try to use them even though I should be able to. Shit's really annoying
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Raven Quill Rev or White Tiger Greystone?
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>>175357335
In the fist instance i could select a card, but not place it anywhere but the passive slots.
In the second I could not even select some cards that I had never used.
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>>175359104
Depends, do you like Bloodborne or Dynasty Warriors more?
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>>175360575
Diff anon but Does this happen when you're going in and out of which cards to use or select next?

Whenever I have something similar to this issue I find that undoing all of my selections and opening the menu again solves it.
Even then, sometimes when I get rid of a card and undo it, it won't show up in my menu, only in the HUD
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>>175360645

Honestly.. Haven't played either. I have heard though that the rev is overused atm so is a skin for him even worth it if ppl will be locking him in before I do?
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>>175360796
No, I've not done that, since this was a bare bones, one build thing I just had the number of cards I could hold at any time, using it in an AI match, so undoing wasn't needed.

I'll use it again when I get the time to play later today and see if it keeps on happening, and if it does, I'll try what you suggested.

Still a filter for active or passive in the card menu should be added.
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>>175359104
I personally think that Rev looks better with the quill top hat, rather than his normal one.

The tiger helmet, to me, clashes with Greystone's armor.

>>175360907
I figure a lot of people are playing him because he's new, it'll die down eventually, get whichever one you like the most.
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Has the revenant storm passed yet?

Are there lobbys where the first pick on both teams isn't revenant?
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>>175362450
Its passing anon, out of 3 games 2 are almost revenant free
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>>175192839
t.shitter who don't ensure first blood in midlane
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>+ <1 Elo

What the fuck is this shit, I'm in Gold trying to climb the ranks, why the fuck did I gain less than 1 elo?

I solo queue, no friends of course.
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>Epic adds runes and masteries
>You can't effectively jungle anymore until level 50 when you unlock the good ones
>Ranked play is gated behind having two full sheets of runes and masteries with tier 2 or higher
>Once the full game is released, new heroes from that point on will cost $10 or 250,000,000,000 rep

What other horrible things could you see ruining the game? I don't want these things to happen, so I am writing them down here where they can be sealed away once the thread dies and never hurt anyone again.
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>>175367057
It's a bug with agora, iirc. Reload the page in a minute or two.
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>>175367057
Did the other team have lower ELO players? You might've been up against smurfs.
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>>175367737
I can buy 10 heroes with all the rep they gave me though
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>>175367737
>epic starts adding epic rarity staple cards for every role that you'll be totally fucked without
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>>175370342
when the first batch of ten rare cards came out, they were generous with giving them out, managed to get them all after a two weeks
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>>175370615
Most of them aren't even that good though. Definitely not indispensable
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>>175367737
There's no way ebin can fuck up that bad like the last point. Thats committing suicide after so much invested in this game
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>>175367737
>Epic creates SJW "viva la feminism" hero
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>>175376517
Please don't give them ideas. Hopefully their Chinese Tencent overlords will stop that
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>>175381856
Tencent owns Epic? That's strange, considering China just lifted its restrictions on Western consoles and stuff sometime last year.
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>>175382476
They own a lot of stuff. It's weird.
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>pick belica mid
>tfw have a revenant and yin on team
>enemy team keeps wrecking the revenant
>he's useless
>our grux won't gank anyone
>enemy team gets orb prime twice and decides to split push and waste it
>my team keeps trying to surrender anytime they die due to trying to 1v4
>vote no everytime
>lose two inhibs, take their right inhib down
>mfw yin and I take orb prime and kill their riktor
>mfw I blink/stun/bomb combo their twin blast whose fleeing
>mfw we take our minion boiz to their core and kill it slowly picking off heroes and sending in wave after wave overwhelming them

fuck u teammates I'm never surrendering
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>>175384310
>Sci-fi character
>story about not giving up
>not quoting Galaxy Quest

Why would you do this
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Whoever designed Howitzer is a fucking moron.

How did such a powerful kit make it into the game without raising some eyebrows?
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give me a quick rundown on sevarog
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>>175387535
killing blows with abilities
build tanky
become miniboss
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>>175376517
Were you not here from December til early April when they released like 600 female chars in a row
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>>175387535
getting killing blows enemies with his Siphon will grant your siphon more power and sevarog more health. Murder in the jungle or whatever and then head into a line and never die.
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I wish they would fix the thermobond bug with dekkers wall.
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>>175386305
Not that anon but I laughed a bit too hard
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>Tfw I play almost only with my roommate since last few months
>In few weeks we'll finish the school year and move away
>No more comfy matches with my mate just sitting next to me without a need for some voice chat bullshit
>Not sure if I will even have much motivation to play anymore
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>team spams attack right lane
>go to right lane with them
>initiate fight because im most tanky
>team fucks off and leaves me to 1v4
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Any good youtube/twitch channels for this game?
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>>175387896
what this anon said

thermobond, toxi-gel, health, armor, some ability pen maybe, the one blink that consumes health

I used to build power and lifesteal, but then i tried a more tanky build and holy shit, you can take so much damage from the enemy team, you are very elusive with your dash, his ult can be used to knock people into your team or away from you, your siphon can hit like a truck once you get stacks.

He might be my favorite hero
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real talk dodge any lobby where people are using clan tags

I guarantee they suck cock
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>>175399981
i want to dodge any rev pick
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>>175400390
>want to play my bae sparrow
>every 14yr old edgelord wants to play revenant or twinblast
kill me
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>finally get a key after 10 loot crates in a row
>duplicate banner
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vumo
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>go on a winning spree
>go on a losing spree
the cycle continues
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>>175401269
i haven't gotten a loot crate drop in months
I've saved up about 1800 coins. I think the game knows im sitting on the coins and is withholding loot crates to try and get me to buy things
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>1AM
>drunk
>wasted hours playing paragon when I could've done something constructive
>I will do the same tomorrow
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>lose a game where we're infinitely ahead because we didnt realize their morigesh was backdooring
15 minions spawning per wave is such a great mechanic, right guys?
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>>175407343
It's amusing how much minions hurt in this game.
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>>175407343
Gotta pay attention to those lanes nigga.
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Paragon has so been unfun as of late. I don't know what went wrong.
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I wish I was playing during Legacy. That map looks cool. There isn't a game mode with it, right?
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>>175410185
no game mode because ebin knows everyone would drop monolith for it
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>>175410976
It looks so much bigger somehow. I hope they have an event with it or something.
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>>175411501
It was like at least 2 times bigger man. One of the main reasons they changed it was that it was too big. It was really great and atmospheric though
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>>175411501
It was a lot larger than Monolith. Move speed was slower too, but there was a travel mode to help move around the map.
I think they want to bring back the same feel to Monolith, but they don't want to spend a bunch of time polishing the map visuals if they decide to scrap it again.
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>lose two games to minions in a row after getting their core to 50% and being infinitely ahead

NERF
FUCKING
MINIONS
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>>175410185
monolith just feels too small
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>>175412420
lmao bro. u just need better map awareness. how to you not realize which direction the lane is being pushed and account for it?
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>>175412420
>mfw we're all sieging the enemy core and a huge minion zerg just arrived at our inhib/core
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>>175412420
>>175414353
>tfw huge fucking mini map in the corner of the screen that shows where the minions are
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>tfw game went so well I spent 95% of my time sat in safelane farming minions.
then after I hit my plateau I went around murdering people in 2-3 hits.

ADCs sure are fun.
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>>175417867
Which one did you play?
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>>175418132
Sparrow
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>>175418298
I like Sparrow more than Twinblast.
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>>175418402
Good taste. Twinblast sucks.
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What's the max account level?
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>>175418718
50
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>>175419035
>silver league
you're definitely fucked
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>>175417867
don't let some people see this post, they'll get mad that you're not taking the tower early then rotating
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>new to moba games
>feel like I'm spending more time looking up terms than actually playing the game
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>>175419721
We did actually focus the tower down after 5-6 minutes.

Was one of those rare matches where the support knew how to help me bully the offlane.Then she rotated and left me alone to safelane. Based dekker.
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This game would be a lot more fun to play and I bet it'd be more popular is it weren't so FUCKING BORING.
Everyone of these heroes has one of 2 roles: CC or press your buttons and do damage and shit bottom tier picks like Kallari, Greystone & Muriel just do not fit either. Iggy had the potential to be a tower deleter with his turrets like Leshrac is but he's just this mediocre fuck who does nothing well.

Closest thing to a real Disabler would be Belica w/ her drone but that thing is pure ass. Morigesh could have been that what with being an evil forest spirit but they decide on another epic damage dealer.
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>>175419390
I-It was a normie joke. That match was easy as fuck. The enemy team tried but they couldn't do a thing.

f6bb4afe88d543fa90b07045300c2671
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>>175421464
I hope the next character will be decent
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ded
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>>175426425
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blemf
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Morigesh isn't fun to play
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>>175426425
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>>175432584
Murdock
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>They still let PS4 players on the same team as PC
>ADC option is not locked out for PS4 players

1 of my 5 stack team was sick today so we didn't get to roll as a full stack and I am fucking appalled at how much a PS4 Revenant can ruin everything.
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>>175432923
PC players aren't doing any better as Rev desu
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>>175421464

There are heroes that fill other roles, they just suck because the best way to win is CC and damage.

Until they nerf crit/lifesteal, you will never EVER see build diversity among the cast. Even fucking Greystone is best played with crit/crit bonus/lifesteal.

We NEED more characters who can silence like Riktor can, that aren't Riktor. Being able to silence a Morigesh or Countess for instance.

We need some better tank options as well, like a card that reduces lifesteal effectiveness on you so that when ADCs don't get as much free health back off you.

Revenant had the potential to be a more varied carry, but people still build him with crit and lifesteal because it's so fucking ridiculously strong, even on a Revenant.

Sure you have people who do well early and mid game with ability pen full power Rev, but that's not enough.
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>>175419940

Paragon actually has way less mechanics wise to remember than other mobas. I tried to get into Dota 2, but even the basic items in the game have actives, multiple passives and huge walls of text and situational use to the point that I had really no fucking idea what anything did and felt like I was studying for a quiz rather than playing.

At least in Paragon, I got in on the ground floor and I'm learning as things get added to the game rather than having to do it all at once.
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>>175432923
>Play with PC Revenant
>He types "Defend Right" instead of using pings
>He sucks, initiates team fight by himself
>Expects us to jump in with him
>Goes 3-7 before 25 minutes
>"Man This game is off for me hahah"

>All of this in gold league

I used to think PC players were smart for some reason
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>Go to campus event
>People start leaving
>Food, snacks and sodas are left over
>Finders keepers etc.

>Arrive home
>Turn on paragon
>Break out snacks I secured from earlier
>Notice that I literally have Doritos and Mountain Dew

As casual as this game is getting I ain't even mad
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>play revenant
>press q, e, and sometimes r
>win
mind explaning, paratards?
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>>175436917
So you're one of the few revs that get this and aren't too much of a retard huh
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>>175433269
>nerf crit/lifesteal
>Greystone is best played with crit/crit bonus/lifesteal
>t. gold
The actual problems that lead to damage being the only way to build in Paragon are
1. Base health is too low on all heroes
2. Stuns are too long (this wouldn't be as much of a problem if #1 was fixed)
3. Hp and resistances cost too much per point
Fix those, and you'll see varied builds. Do it your way and all you'll see is carries removed from the meta in favor of a second mage.
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night bump
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>>175440274
Should I stop building hp/resistances on characters?
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>>175443641
>>175440274
hp is fine, resistances are dogshit. stuns wouldnt be a problem if hunters guile fucking cleansed them and if it was a universal
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>>175436917
Yeah, Scar + Obliterate is ridiculous damage.
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>a robot
>is green
>a fist fighting brawler
>has some kind of a combo system
>"My name is Crunch. I like to punch."

Help, I think I'm in love.
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What are the best picks for offlane? This is the only position I can't deal with for shit.
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So the correct way to build fighters is dmg early but tanky late?
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>>175460494
morigesh
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>>175461803
I've been doing it with Sev lately and it's pretty effective if your team can follow up your CC
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>>175433269
>like a card that reduces lifesteal effectiveness on you so that when ADCs don't get as much free health back off you.
truly gets the neurons firing
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>>175244583
I really like serath, normally I'll play her safe lane or jungle with great success.

I tried playing her offlane against a revenant/dekker combo and literally could not do anything against them. wat do?
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>>175462752
or Thickblood I think it's called, applies the same thing on ability damage. Really great card in general but completely rapes rampage.
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>>175462986
>wat do?
Do not take her offlane, simple as that. For some reason people tend to do it, and I guess with her mobility and burst damage it does make some sense, but from my experience it really isn't a good position for her, unless you play against morons
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Can someone explain what Offlane and Safelane are, and what kinds of abilities are best for them?
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>>175466785
yeah normally I'll play sevarog offlane and do fine, but serath just got shred, especially early game when Rev can just use obliterate
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>>175467059
Safelane is designed for carries(characters which have a potential for growing very powerful, but need lots of card points to achieve it, mostly ranged damage dealers) Safelane's tower is the closest one to enemy part of the map which makes this lane theoretically easiest to push and safest to farm on. It also has the Golden Buff which increases the amount of card points you get and is located just to the main part of your jungle, which makes it easier for your Jungler to help you and gank enemies on your lane.

The offlane is the enemy's safelane, which makes it theoritically the hardest lane to defend and farm on. However, you tend to gain exp faster on offlane than on other lanes, which makes it perfect for characters that rely on quickly unlocking and upgrading their abilities, rather than on buying cards. A good offlaner should be able to sustain himself in harder conditions, so tankier characters are usually prefer. His job is also to make farming as hard as possible for enemy carry, so characters which can poke and damage them safely are good for this role.

Also it it worth noting that the Safelane goes downwards(you have the higher ground) while on offlane you push up the hill(your enemy has higher ground). Realistically this should matter, but I'm not sure if it affects anything in Paragon.

However, you should also remember that a fair part of the community has no damn idea what they're doing, so this theory often goes into trash.
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Hunter's guile doesn't cleanse stuns?
Does Purity Censer?

Is Purity Censer best used as Aurora ults or after you are frozen?

Basically, what do the different cleansing cards actually counter?
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>>175469416
Okay, thanks a lot.
So offlane, you'd want a tankier character that benefits more from their skills, rather than cards, safelane you want an attacker who benefits more from cards, rather than skills. I take it midlane is the obvious middle ground of these traits?

I've yet to unlock him, but I'm curious where a character like Crunch would fit in best. Given what I'd read of him wanting to get his ultimate as fast as possible, being a brawler character, would I be right in guessing that he'd do best in a midlane/offlane sort of position?
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>>175471887
I don't play Crunch but the few good ones I've seen took him into the jungle.
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>>175471887
he is best in the jungle
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>>175470963
purity censer does but only if someone else uses it on you
ie dont fucking buy it for stuns
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>>175460494
Kwang
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I'm thinking about writing a short FAQ section which could be linke in the OP, answering the most common questions and explaining the basic mechanics for new players and people interested in the game. So, a question for new players and people who started fairly recently. What seemed unclear when you've just started and what kind of questions do you think should be covered in the FAQ section?
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>>175476525
make sure to include last hittings for cxp, setting a lane and freezing a lane
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>>175476525
The card system needs a fucking 50 page instruction manual
I remember when I started that shit was so overwhelming and there's no help whatsoever in the game itself so I just gave up and used autobuy+default decks
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>>175476525
A quick rundown on the Crad system, a lot of people have troubles with it at the start. Importance of wards, and as >>175476771
said we need to clarify lane pushing/setting. Most people get it wrong and it's a vital part of the gameplay.
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>>175476804
To be fair the tutorial does a good job of telling you how it goes.

It's really not that hard.

Your hero has affinities. They can only use cards with those in those affinitites.
Everyone can use universal cards.

Cards with only passive abilities should go into the passive slots first.

Active cards are better and can only be put into active slots.

Make sure to have a good amount of cards that equal 60 card points
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>>175476771
>>175477098
I was planning to omit stuff common to all mobas and focus on Paragon specific stuff, but perhaps you're right, this would be worth including as well.
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>>175476525
How much health the minions have
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>>175478226
Melee minions have 500
Range minions have little less
That's all I could figure for the moment
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>>175478059
It's was very intuitive for me as well, and I haven't even played the tutorial, but lots of people seem to have trouble understanding it, so I'm definitely going to explain it in detail
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>>175478059
Why are you telling me NOW how it works? I figured that shit out months ago, and no the tutorial does not tell you jack shit about how the card system works. But even with your redditspaced smug post, you forgot to mention that you need to buy a million one point upgrade cards for early game items that you sell later. Or that the 10 point cards are only in the game as a hilarious prank and should never be bought under any circumstances. Or that strike/cast, and chrono/spark are literally the same thing and there's no reason for both of them to exist. etc etc
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>the games have gotten so bad I have to take supplements to lower my blood pressure.

t. riktor main
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>>175436917
Yes please bring the dotard meme here its my favorite.

>play Morigesh
>win
Nice game paratards
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https://youtu.be/SfdO1OgcGRM
H-he's a 1v1 hero who's useless in teamfights tho definitely not OP haha...
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>>175436917
>>175483094
It's "paragoons" you fucks, I coined this term almost a year ago
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>>175483745
shut the FRICK up meppz
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>>175484302
Who
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>>175483572
what are team fights but a succession of 1v1s?
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>be revenant see enemy khai chasing down low health belica
>just before he ults i use reckoning to cockblock him
>both me and belica escape
feels good man
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why is Paragon just 45-60 minutes of straight teamfight? am I lame for wanting it to slow down a bit? I want more lane focused gameplay and less everyone roams for the entirety of the match to wipe the other team.
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>>175479680

The cards tell you that strike/cast and chrono/spark do the same thing from the get go. It's not any one's fault that you refused to pay attention to the symbols.

Not anyone's fault that the tutorial doesn't hold you hand either. You turn on the auto buy, leave spawn with CP to spare and it tells you right as you step foot out of spawn what the game just did for you
>+12 power, +6 mana regen etc. etc.
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>someone locks in riktor support
>i'm kinda worried already
>15 minutes in
>died 5 times already
>check his cards
>no hp
>no armor
>no teamshield/heal
>full damage

fuck off if this is you
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>>175491882
no im gonna fuck right in
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>the tankiest hero on your team doesn't want to initiate teamfights or even turn up for them
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>>175492174
>tanks
>paragon
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>>175492174
>tank doesn't go in
>REE WHY ISNT HE GOING IN REEE
>know he isn't going in so I will go in anyway and 4v5 then blame this action on the guy who didn't show up even though i had prior knowledge this was going to be a 4v5

ebin
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>>175496702
yeah greystone is much better off farming offlane 95% of the game. doesn't matter whether the enemy team has grouped up or not and is pushing down the mid lane.

he's also the most valuable so he should be entering combat last
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>>175497967
If it makes you feel any better, anon, when I play Greystone I run into all of the enemies all of the time
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>>175420234
Must be nice. Last support I had was an Aurora who did LITERALLY nothing and actually let the enemy Morigesh take our tower instead of putting up a fight while I had recalled )(she had full health, too). Then they spent the rest of the match stealing our jungler's farm and typing abuse into chat. It's not like the rest of the team were any better, though: every time I pinged "I need help" they just ignored me, and then spammed good job when I died. Went 0-8-8 as Rev in that game, and it was almost entirely their fucking fault.
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>>175489251
Damage is the meta, the map is tiny and deathball is too effective to not just immediately default to.
This shit never happened on Legacy, and the games often lasted the same amount of time, anyway.
I might be in the minority, but I liked the pace and length ofLegacy matches; I don't need shorter game times, and I don't know why Epic keep trying to push them.
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>>175492174
>when your initiator is the biggest pussy on the team and just runs randomly in front of the other team
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>>175500653
If you die 8 times over the course of a match a large portion of it is your fault. You'll never improve if you don't stop pointing fingers at others.
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>>175491882
That's me dude full dmg Riktor is a godlike roamer and nobody really expects it lol who cares this game is trash anyway might as well hive fun with some meme builds
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>>175497967
>playing as pussy greystone
get out lad
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ded game ded thread
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>>175478167
That would be helpful, this is my first moba and they treat it like it is your fourth in the game itself.
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>>175508862
I've just finished writing for today, covered the card system and most of the questions about the game itself and out of game mechanics, If I'll find time tomorrow I'll get to the game itself
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>>175510793
Post the doc so I can tell you if you're retarded or not
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>>175511160
Will post it tomorrow morning, when I'll be concious enough to look through it and verify it myself first
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>>175503195
I fully accept that part of it was my fault, that's why I specifically said "almost entirely".
Nothing you can do when no one wards and the enemy Morigesh walks through your own jungle to rape you. And yes, I always buy wards early.
Nothing you can do when the entire team refuses to help, specifically the person whose role is to support you in the early game.
I'm not so lacking in self-awareness that I can't see where I went wrong, but the difference between a good team and a shit team is so stark that you may as well be playing a different game depending on which you get.
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Bump. If only so many normalfags didn't make up the majority of /parag/, then the weekend would be much less of a snoozefest.
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>>175516186
I fucking hate Paragon
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>>175501045
bcuz ebin
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>>175501045
Because shorter games are more attractive to more players.
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D E AD
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>>175513984
lmao if you couldn't even get a single god damn kill as Revenant of all heroes you're hot trash regardless of if your team were morons or not. you bronze or silver?
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>>175523657
Not that anon but I can confirm that silver doesn't ward. Silver also doesn't know how to lane.
3 to a lane all game etc.
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What are the chances that in my first game I'll be grouped up with try hards that will bitch and moan and complain?
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>>175523774
e x p o s e d

>>175513984
umm any explanations, paratard?
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If you get any at all, they'll most likely say "Good Job!" or "Good Game" after you die
It's pretty funny desu
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ded
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>>175527775
deader than ded
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Why is it that the AI Gadget just fucking vaporized me, but player Gadgets don't do shit?
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>>175528505
I rarely see players build power on her for some retarded reason
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>>175528940
I think the players that I'm facing right now just stack cards that are tagged in the deck builder.
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>>175529096
The default deck feels mediocre so maybe that's why.
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>first pick
>want to play Bel but I know in my heart that no one is going to pick a character with any CC so switch to Dekker
>everyone else wants Revenant
>second pick gets him, doesn't declare a lane
>4th and fifth lock in Murdock and Aurora
>dodge
I wish I knew what these people were thinking.
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>every time i get one win away from 70% win rate sevarog i lose one match
>have to win three more after that to get back to 70%
>forever stuck at 69%
its not fair
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>>175531540
Pretty sexy problem.
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>>175532062
how can i get good it my winrate is forever a meme
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>>175491716
>dude you were supposed to go through 300 different cards and check to see if any of them were identical lmao
>not anyone's fault the tutorial sucks dick and leaves new players hanging out to dry just turn on autobuy
these are the same people making 'why is this game not more popular' posts I guarantee it
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I love this game but fuck the playerbase
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>>175532636
>not anyone's fault the tutorial sucks dick

I'm not saying the tutorial is perfect but it explains enough/ I'm saying the autobuy literally tells you what the cards are doing for you. Just don't be braindead.

>go through 300 different cards and check to see if any of them were identical

>"The symbols, Mason; What do they mean?"

>why is this game not more popular

You mean by the lack of marketing as well?
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We need sexy voice lines to reel in more players like LoL.
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>>175532967
damn dude you posted an ancient call of duty meme I guess my argument is invalid
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>>175533250
or you know
good characters/changes to the useless ones
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>>175533250
We fucking need RANKED and all that other good shit.
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>>175533284
>I guess my argument is invalid

Is that the best you can do?
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>>175533294
That'd be nice.
>>175533349
Ranked, voice lines, changes to old characters (buffs/reworks). I'm surprised there isn't a Ranked option already.
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There is nothing in this game more satsfying than launching players into your team as sevarog
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>>175533479
what do you want, an irrelevant meme from 2010 in response?
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>>175531359
they aren't
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>>175533561
>Buffs/reworks

That needs to happen asap the powercreep in this game is becoming blatantly obvious just look at people like Iggy, Greystone, and Feng Mao.
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>>175533629
>what do you want... in response?
>go through 300 different cards and check to see if any of them were identical

I want you to not be retarded and pay attention to what the cards do you manchild
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>>175533618
I have several days until I unlock him. I'm sort of hyped. I should practice with melee characters more.
>>175533782
I thought Feng Mao was good? Or am I thinking of Kwang?
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RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>175533810
I did you goddamn retard. I know what they do now. I'm saying it's stupid and confusing for new players, not for me.
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>>175533852
You are thinking of Kwang. Feng Mao needs to have his cooldowns adjusted and his ult needs a QOL adjustment in my opinion.
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>>175533928
>I'm saying it's stupid and confusing for new players, not for me.

>There are more retarded people out there like me

I can't say I didn't expect this with how popular this game is getting
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>>175534101
You're just being intentionally obtuse at this point. Do you think you're an "epic troll" or something?
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>>175534303
I'm saying it wasn't that hard for me to figure out what the cards did when I first started playing and even after Ebin did the overhaul and made power/cast as well as chrono/maga-regen cards do the same shit.
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>>175534482
The problem isn't "figuring out what the cards do" you illiterate piece of human garbage, it's the system itself being needlessly complicated. It says on the fucking cards what they do, no one is complaining about not being able to tell what they do. Kill yourself.
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>>175534056
Okay, thanks.
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>>175534303
I wanna know why he thinks double spacing is acceptable.
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>>175476804
>The card system needs a fucking 50 page instruction manual
>I remember when I started that shit was so overwhelming and there's no help
>it's the system itself being needlessly complicated.

How is the system complicated? Farm some card power, buy some cards, put them in slots. Those cards in the slots can be upgraded. You can discard them for other shit.

It's alright to admit that you're just a slow learner. You'll be a good example for newer players
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TIL feng Mao can blink up the ledge next to goldbuff
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>>175535060
That's a dodge
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>>175535060
>Edgelord name
>Safe lane countess

Jesus Christ how terrifying
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>>175534482
>>175534656
Okay, I'm not either of you but I just have top know, how the hell did this ten hour long reply chain start? What is actually even being fucking talked about? What is the issue with the card system?
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>>175535013
>get btfo
>decide to pretend to be a different person and start over
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>>175528505
Bots have retarded aimbot aim and will never miss an auto, or skill shot. Can't juke her and not Gadget just spams her mine.
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>>175535352
>pretend to be a different person and start over

I'll bite this bait

>>175535236

From what I gather, anon was having a hard time with learning the card system. I'm saying it's not that hard. Temper tantrum ensues
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>>175535482
>anon was having a hard time with learning the card system
After having it explained to you like 3 different times that this isn't the problem, you still haven't been able to figure it out? That shit about being a slow learner must be projection.
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>>175535749
>The card system needs a fucking 50 page instruction manual
>I remember when I started that shit was so overwhelming and there's no help
>it's the system itself being needlessly complicated.

Yeah man, totally
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>>175535482
I'll admit, the card system was a little daunting at the start. And it really doesn't help that I apparently have a permanent tooltip bug if I use the default deck.

But over all once you get through your first couple of games, the system should be rather evident. After that it's just a matter of figuring out how to make the system work for you, which I've always found is something you're supposed to learn while playing. You shouldn't be told, for example, that you want your starting gear to cost as little as possible, you just see the cards when you build your deck and say "hey, if I had a bunch of these I could get stronger much faster"
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>tfw playing Dekker and the entire enemy team focuses you first
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>>175535894
Whatever dude, fuck new players, fuck player retention, the tutorial should just be a black screen with white text that says "get good noob"
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>>175535895
>once you get through your first couple of games, the system should be rather evident.
Well apparently not for some people.

When I first started playing in like, may of 2016 (Back in legacy) it was even more barebones as fuck. I tried learning the default decks manually and it was a bit difficult, sure.
Then I turned on auto buy, and saw what it was doing whenever I left spawn, and copied that when I turned auto-buy off.
When I started making my own decks and was like "I want more of that power shit! All 3 CP upgrades baby!" I quickly learned that I would have to farm more and help in team fights less.
Simple trial and error

>>175536076
>Whatever dude, fuck new players, fuck player retention, the tutorial should just be a black screen with white text that says "get good noob"

Epic
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>>175536056
>tfw playing sevarog and the entire enemy team blows their ults on you
>dont die
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I used to die very little in games two or three months ago, but now I'll be lucky to keep under 5 deaths per game.
Did I get worse?
Is the TDM bullshit just that bad?
Or is it a just that the new nuke characters like Yin, Morigesh and Revenant can fuck you up harder than Legacy heroes?
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>>175536462
No word of a lie:
>Kwang tether
>Sevarog root
>kwang ults as Sev ults me into their Morigesh and Belica teleblinks in front of me to cut me off
I felt fucking violated.
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>>175536673
>not buying thermobond and hunters guile
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>>175536537
it feels like the new characters can just fuck you up. Older characters needed to catch you off guard and out of position. Revenant can just bully you in offlane near your own T1
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>>175536673
>That feel when you're jungling and putting down your wards
>just about to get to a good ward spot
>turn the corner
>entire enemy team is there and they all ult you, presumably out of surprise.

I had no fucking idea what had just happened.
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>>175313769
>>175315784
>>175316893
>Tfw new players didn't get to see her float "run" animation
>tfw no more float Gideon, "badass" Naruto/Sonic run Grux animation

damn I miss so many of the old running animations
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>>175536992

Travel mode was what got me into this game.
It was that attention to detail that made me think, "man, these devs are serious about this game!"

Little is left of that happiness now.
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>>175536992
>tfw sevarog's lane clearing dash off ledges was a considered a "glitch" because new players kept complaining that momentum was broken
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>>175537143

Forgot to clarify not travel mode exactly, but the travel animations
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>>175536462
The fuck are you building all hp and armor?
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>>175535104
>>175535167
Yeah they went mid instead. Holy shit the other team was bad. If I keep getting bad enemies, I may actually climb out of silver. How terrible.
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>>175537253
The travel mode always looked strange to me, like I wondered "what's the point of this?"
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>>175537543
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>>175536056
Literally me. I bully early game as Dekker and they get mad and take it out on me the rest of the game.
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>>175537613
Really? I can't stand the fact that Sparrow or Twinblast always have their arms up.

Breaks muh immersion
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What's travel mode?
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>>175536769
Scales and Honor take priority.
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>>175536828
Been there
>I'll just ward Raptors real quick
>oh shit

>>175538948
Used to be on Legacy that, after a few seconds of running, your character would break into a sprint with custom animations. Epic scrapped it because you needed to not have attacked/ been hit for a few seconds for it to kick in, and that was death on the old map.
I personally preferred the pace a lot more, but no point in reminiscing, because that shit's never coming back
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>When a teammate chooses Shinbi
N-Not like this
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>>175539652
>Epic scrapped it because you needed to not have attacked/ been hit for a few seconds for it to kick in

That same technique saved my life many times

>Fight enemy range character
>Be low health
>Get in their face
>Run in circles
>Lap around them
>Their aim sucks
>Travel mode kicks in
>"lol bye"
>Recall to base as they try to catch up

I don't even want the speed back, just the animations
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>>175539942
I hear the animations will be back eventually, but the more I think about Legacy, the more nostalgiac I become. Damn it, anon.

>>175539856
On the rare occasion they're actually good, there's no one else you'd want on your team. Kind of like Kallari, but more immediately useful.
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>climbing ELO again, but KDA is in the shitter
Not sure how to feel desu
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>>175540706
A win is a win
>>
ay what if we make a kpop idol that throws dogs lol
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>>175541101
I guess.
Surely it will balance out at higher ELOs and the teams get better.
Surely.
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>>175541165
Why would a Korean throw undercooked Chinese food?
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>needing to log in x amount of days to get the entire roster
>not using account lv instead
>a majority of cards are useless
>higher cost cards are pointless
>just stack 1 point cheap cards for completion bonus then sell them off later
>get matched with someone who has a proper deck he ass rapes me and my team
>feel like shit because rng hasn't given me enough cards to play a single hero properly let alone have one for each role

I want to like this shit, but it just doesn't want me too.
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>>175543039
Card rework soon, son. Until then you could just play PvE with each character to get the free card packs by leveling, as well as enough rep to buy cards and deck slots. That's probably not what you want out of the game, but it's definitely practical, and it gets you used to everyone.
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>>175543545
Any ETA or details on the card rework? I'm having the same problem the other anon has.
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>>175543545
Well that's fucking great, and that's what I've already resorted to doing. Bots get difficult when an Aurora feeds a dozen kills before quitting.
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>>175541189
>He still believes you ever get out of elo hell

I remember when I was like that and found out plat is no different than gold and got promptly pushed back down to gold
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>>175537636
thanks bruv, i'm going to copy this sounds interesting and classic
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>>175545451
>thicc countess
>That folds in the clothing making it look like the clothes are too tight on her
>That slight attention to detail

This pic doesn't have any right being this good.
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Gnight /parag/
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>Still no good cards
Game please
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If most of Rev's damage comes from his left click how come I just see people stacking shadow scrolls? Why not stack Meltdowns or something, does his passive count as APower instead of adding to his BPower?
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>>175550689
shitters who can't hit shots do that because it maxes out your E+Q damage
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>>175550689
Passive gives bonus ability damage to the last shot but all damage is boosted by the power stat, not just basic damage so meltdowns are better.

The game should really tell you that power boosts both basic damage and ability damage.
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>>175550896
Right but the point of my post is that shadow scroll gives you access to A Pen while Meltdown gives you B Pen.

>>175550884
Lol that makes sense
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>>175551256
>Meltdown gives you B Pen.
No it doesn't.
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>>175462986
I play a lot of offlane and Rev/Dekker isn't that scary, you just have to be really wary. Getting caught out of position once will get you killed on the spot and you'll probably lose your tower at the five minute mark. Just play very passively until then and farm up while still trying to help engagements.
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>>175534056
Feng Mao is fine as well, just returned to him recently after a long period of not playing him and was doing perfectly fine.
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>>175539652
>>175539942
Haven't they scrapped it because you had no way of reacting to someone ganking you with travel mode on?
Anyway, I miss it too. Monolith is obviously too small for that, but I was wondering if it would work better if for example instead of waiting period, the sprint would kick in immediately but eat up mana when used. And block all attack/abilities for a second after exiting it.
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You're not dying on me yet!
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FAQ anon here, here is the first part of the document: https://pastebin.com/0S9SiFtH
Tell me if I should change anything. Also, since English isn't my first language, could some native speaker please check it for any mistakes?

As you can see, I haven't got to the actual in-match stuff yet, I'm going to cover it next. Stuff like how different lanes and jungle camps work, what do different character tags mean and possibly some more "advanced" tactics and general rules how to not get your ass kicked. Tell me what else should I add or change
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>>175561879
>Most heroes have two affinities they can use cards from(a few of them have only one affinity)
all of them have 2
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What's the best use of my reputation starting out? Should I save it up for getting mastery on a character, or use it to buy card packs?
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>>175562856
Isn't Twinblast fury only? Or did they changed that and I haven't noticed?
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>>175563853
fury and growth
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>>175563853
>>175563904
Ah, all right, thanks for pointing that out, I'll correct it in a second.
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>>175563619
Card packs
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>>175563619
If you're certain that you will play one character a lot, you can buy mastery for him/her. Otherwise, rather card packs.
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>>175564589
Dont you need the mastery to get any rewards from level five onward?
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>>175566772
You can buy it later and unlocks the rewards.
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>>175567116
oh sweet.
well that changes everything.
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>>175537152
I miss being able to gank someone in their safelane, turn and run up the stairs and fly away all the way to mid lane.

or flying off the stairs and landing right near the gadget trying to kill your teammate and completely surprising them and then absolutely destroying them
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>Playing on a team with a master Shinbi
>My /parag/ sense starts to flare up
>They end up beating the shit out of the enemy team with style and well timed emotes

It doesn't happen often, but I like to see an underpowered character played well.
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>>175552052
but even if I was under my tower I couldn't even go towards the front half of it because dekker would stun + rev obliterate me
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>>175561879
This is fantastic thank you for taking the time out to do this.
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>>175539942

Yeah but for every successful escape story, there was 10 stories of 2-3 enemies taking turns hitting you while the others let travel mode engage to keep leapfrogging you over and over.

No amount of wards could save you from a full sprint Khaimera. It also made stuff like Gadget's boost and Narbash's boost almost useless because travel mode sprinters would come tearing out of the jungle at twice the speed of your boost.

I want the animations back, but no sprint mechanic. Do like other mobas and make movememt speed a stat investment you can build into that sacrifices stats elsewhere.

I miss Narbash's hauling ass run.
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>>175553601
>you had no way of reacting to someone ganking you with travel mode on?
>>175568748
>I want the animations back, but no sprint mechanic.

Pretty much my points exactly. The animations were well done and more immersive. I understand not bringing the speed back at all.
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>>175569789
But how do we bring back the animations without a separate mode?

Maybe a sprint mechanic? Lets you move a little faster, and use the old travel animation, but there's no start up time for it. Basically a bug out ability to flee situations you haven't gotten stuck in on.
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>>175569789
They should use them for when you get a speed boost from blue buff and other shit
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>>175570139
They could just kick in when you're out of combat for long enough. Also this >>175570168
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>>175570139
I was saying just 5 seconds out of combat and the animation kicks in. No speed boost or anything.
Or like >>175570168 was saying. That way it'd be cool to see when you see a hero activate their boost ability like Narbash etc.
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>>175568172
i miss getting one river buff then flying off the mid ledge to go snipe the second
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>both rogue kallari and sparrow are just the base skin with a fucking hood
>$10
incredible
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I'm guessing it's never worth it to buy keys for boxes?
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>>175571638
skins in this game arent worth it in general
>$10 skin in league
>new spell effects sound effects sometimes voice lines recall animations and more
>$10 skin in paragon
>hood and red arrows over base skin
>recolors in league are insanely cheap and not locked behind rng
>recolors in hots are insanely cheap and only half locked behind rng
>recolors in paragon are exclusively from loot crates and you can get them for skins you cant even use
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>>175571972
yeah but you're more likely to get some boost thing from a box right? I guess that just increases your rewards from a game, yeah?

I've just got like 560 coins sitting around and wanted to know if it was worth it to buy a key. I'm guessing the answer is no.
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>>175572171
they removed rep boosts from boxes but they replaced it with generic rep rewards. keys have like a negative drop chance but its $2 for a key, just get a skin you want normally
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>>175572294
I don't want a skin though (okay not true, if I ever do get to play revanant, I'd rahter have the top hat), I just have a loot box from a reward or some shit.
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>>175572636
its just generally not worth getting keys unless you have loads of boxes saved and even then its not great because of the chance of masteries or iggy skins
revenants skin is still on sale if you buy his mastery with rep the raven quill skin is only 389 coins
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>platinum
>people still don't know what lane freezing/setting is
>be howi, lost T1
>sitting at T2 comfortably farming while waiting for shit to go down
>yin and dekker come strolling through, cleave the minions and the next wave
>then they fuck off

I wish I could strangle these fucking people
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>>175574826
Freezing a lane? I thought only sword cirno had ice powers.
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>>175575174
All right, not him but now I'm definitely including this shit in the FAQ
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>>175574826
>diamond
>people still dont even know what farming in general is
>omg why wont you help offlane - 0/6 kwang vs narbash revenant who lost his turret at 3 minutes
also minion ai is horseshit in this game, traditional freezing methods do fuck all
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>3 of us die
>enemy do prime
>last 2 decide to chase aurora out from inhib
>they both die
>core gets facerolled

why are people incapable of playing safe when the enemy have OP buff?
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>>175574826
Its cause you can win in this shit game without even knowing the basics. There are ppl here in plat that don't cs. Carries even. And they are usually the most vocal players in terms of pure anger.

I guess Ebin are afraid of newcomers not having fun because they'd get stomped in lane by an experienced player and Ebin thinks they'll just give up and stop playing? Idk this game doesn't really reward the better player that well compared to other games.
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anyone else feel like belica's drone needs a slight buff? Change it from 2/3/4/5 to 2/4/6/8%. Or maybe a flat rate instead of percentage. Its just not threatening as is, especially when you need it during laning phase when Mori and Howie are poking the shit out of you.

Mori gets around 400 mana at lvl 3, 2% of 400 is 8. If she's an absolute dumbfuck and stands in the drone the entire time, she loses 240 mana. That's if they're a vegetable.

Since Belica doesn't come online til she maxes her bomb and has at least two in seismic, she should have a tool that allows her to counter mids with strong poke.
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>>175583358
No, what the fuck? Her drone is a great zoning tool and it already drains a ton of mana from non-caster heroes.
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>>175583558
Its not for the reason I just said lmao 3% of Greystone's mp a second will not significantly impact him at all. Its not "a great zoning tool" because, again, its not even slightly threatening.

Lategame its OK during teamfights but I'd prefer it being stronger during early game.
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I get that Serath is a carry, but she still seems stupid OP.
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>>175538423
Same. It really hurts muy nuts. But probably ebin will change their animatios back, seeing how revenant doesn't have his left hand up at all times. I still have hope for them.
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>>175585031
She pretty much is as long as you won't screw up early game, but unlike for example Morigesh she requires too much skill for most people to realise that.
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>>175586218
You seem to be a Serath player: how do you play her early game? Want to walk me through your routine (what abilities you prioritise unlocking, cards you buy, when and who to gank)?
I tried her a few times, but it never clicked.
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>>175561879
This is great anon thank you
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Monolith's too small.
There, I said it.
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>>175577639
told ya
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>>175586625
>You seem to be a Serath player
Not exactly my main, but I like to play her from time to time. I usually go jungle with her and focus on upgrading right since it does nice damage and is good for clearing camps. Some upgrades to her area attack are also a good idea since it's a great poker and finisher for escaping enemies. Her leap needs to be unlocked, but not exactly upgraded, you rarely have time to precisely aim it anyway. She works very well on safelane as well, but usually someone else takes an ADC there. As for more specific gameplay tips? I don't really now, I guess I just play her as any other jungler, except she has even bigger damage potential, so lots of crit and power, some attack speed and some lifesteal/pen won't hurt either
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>>175588762
Cool, that's what I've been doing, more or less; suppose I just need to get used her.
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>>175587152
You're not wrong, most people here that got to play on legacy will agree with you, it's not just nostalgia either

but ...
>muh game length - Ebin

when I still have the occasional game that last over 1hr
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>>175589953
You know what's worst? The fact that by the end of Legacy, hell even before they removed dunking, match length was all ready mostly okay. I wouldn't be surprised if it was shorter on average than now. And the map, even if it was slightly too big, was soo much better.
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>>175588762
Personally, I'd swap the Q and E priorities. Q is most useful as a sort of stasis gem - dodge abilities and regen a bit of health. E helps chase fleeing enemies better since you can get RMB + a few auto-attacks generally.
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FAQ anon here, what basic advice would you give on jungling and ganking? I rarely play jungle and feel like I kind of suck at it, so would like to check with you before I properly get to this section.
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>>175594590
When dealing with camps, don't just stand still and let them hit you: kite them around the stone circe area they spawn in so you take fewer hits and can jungle for longer.
If your jungler doesn't have passive lifesteal like Kwang and Khaimera, bring a siphon.
When ganking, communicate your intent to your teammate and don't follow your target into their tower unless you for certain you can finish them quickly and escape.
Junglers aren't just farmers and gankers: if your teammates look like they're in trouble, tell them to retreat and maintain their lane until they're back.
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>>175594590
As a jungler, your job is mainly to kill off camps to deny the enemy resources/secure your own, place down wards, gank, and sub in lanes. Remember killing your camps doesn't just help you, it feeds into a global pool for everyone. YTou can also head into the enemy jungle to take their stored CXP as well.
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So I really like Belica, her whole kit and everything, any tips for her? How I should build a deck for her or where she can play best?
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is there any reason to continueplaying this game? I might go back to overwatch until epic makes it fun again.
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>>175597315
Lots of people build Burst Engines early for damage and mana regen, then mana/ damage/ ability penetration with a Hydroverser late game.
Get used to using her knockup at a moment's notice and get into the rhythm of using all of her abilities in a combo on a single target for maximum damage. Her ult is all but useless unless early game except maybe to finish someone off because the damage scales with how much mana the enemy has lost.
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>>175599476
>Her ult is all but useless unless early game
Her ult can delete enemies with almost full health if their mana is low enough. If anything, it's even better late game since it also scales with your cp. At max level it's pretty much an insta kill on anyone below half their mana, especially as a last part of knockup+bomb combo.
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>>175597315
Belica is generally mostly played mid since her bomb refunds mana per body hit and her stun bomb combo is strong. Her drone can also force your opponent out of the mid lane if used correctly with its mana drain but it gives a lot of cxp if destroyed so dont spam it. Ult is an execution move agianst people with no mana so save it for last in a team fight.

For early game start with a lot of health regen and build a cheap Guardian Ward (the one that gives a lot of health) and multiple cheap Adamant Edges since you're squishy. You shouldn't bother with mana regen items early since you're playing mid so your main source of mana regen should be the river buffs. Problem is thats also your oponents main source of mana regen and you're vulnerable when taking them so make sure to always have those areas warded. If you're having issues controlling the river buffs then skipping an Adamant Edge for a Burst Engine is fine. Afterwards start building some Fountian Spikes and a blink(Blink Charm or Tele-Blink, latter is better but the former gives you an escape) for your blink-->stun-->bomb combo and start rotating. Finally for late game a Hydroverser and Infinity Stream are highly reccomended but if you don't have them then just build power and mana with pen. A Magna-Lens with three 3 cost pen upgrades is enough.

Also something to consider is Honer the Pure to compensate for your squishieness late game, but thats up to you.
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>>175602087
Yeah I like..
I don't have like any of the things you said. I only have the mana wards, so I guess I'll use that for now.
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>>175603409
Adamant Edges are in the starter cards I think, you should have those at least.
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>>175603409
Adamant Edge(x2), Fountian Spike(x2) and Blink Charm(x1) are starter cards. Build those first then go into as much power/ability pen/mana regen you can.
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>>175603409
adamant edge and blink charm are in the basic set
hydroverser+infinity stream is a meme for people who can't do math
just build a couple edges early and transition into power and a little penetration late game
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I'm about to lose my damn mind in solo que since people don't seem to understand that picking yin or revenant after the first pick of our team is sparrow is not a smart idea.
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>>175598141
desu I began to hate overwatch but I played it yesterday and it was way more fun than I've had in paragon in a while
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With Overwatch being mostly FPS based 1st with objective play being 2ndary you can get away with a retard team since you can easily carry also you have 1 more player than Paragon.

There's also the fact that Ults in that game will delete people literally instantly even at full hp were ass in Paragon you have to fucking use them as finishers not to mention in OW you can get a Ult in less than a min by objective play in Paragon you're stuck with you Ult c/d unless you equip c/d reduction which depending on you r hero will cripple their dps.

Paragon still has potential to be a good game but Epic needs to realize there are going to have to be parts of it that need to resemble more traditional MOBA play for that to happen.
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I'm curious as to what they would do in terms of maps to help break up the tedium that is MOBAs
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FAQ anon here, added some basic gameplay description to the dock, please check it and suggest what else should I add or change. I'm going to cover different hero tags and freezing/setting up the lane next. Will go to sleep in a moment so I will make any corrections in the morning.
>>175610516
more verticality. And more projects striding away from the old boring 3 lanes set up
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>>175611263
Also forgot to check it myself first, so there might be some grammatical mistakes or shitty syntax here and there, will correct that in the morning as well.
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>>175571517
Don't forget the red special effects. Arrows are glowy lightsaber red.
:v
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>>175611263
I like the different map objectives in HotS for one thing.
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>>175611263
Raptors don't give the team anything, just whoever last-hits. Might want to add something about letting the carry/jungler last hit them, since they generally need CXP the most.
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>>175614530
Do raptors not add into the CXXP pool from the fortess thingy?
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>>175615018
Nope, only the white and green camps add to the amber link.
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>>175615143
Is the raptor camp not white on the map?

Also, should I just always kill the river flys every time they're up, or does leaving them "rank" up so they give a different buff?
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>>175615318
White camp is a holdover name from legacy, referring to the camps with weak minions. Guess it could have a better name now.
If the midlaner or jungler is low on mana they might want it, but otherwise just take it when it's there. The buff doesn't change until it dies and respawns.
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>>175616052
So pretty much always kill it.
I noticed the runes and such change color, I assume that matches the buggs. What colors go with what buff so I know when stuff will benefit who most?
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>>175616317
Blue is speed boost
Red is ability damage
Black is dot damage
Purple is invis
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>>175616667
Don't they also give you back some mana?
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>>175617087
They give a considerable amount of mana back.
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>>175617212
FAQ anon should add that in, then I don't see that listed about them in the midlane section.
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>>175617326
In most cases, I consider the mana they give more important than the buff.
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>>175616052
As of like a month ago they patched it to where it changes regardless of if someone killed it or not
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>post on the paragon facebook group that minions are op
>someone takes the liberty to post "Because minions are the only ones that follow the objective and dont get off their lane to go chase a kill. Minions are the real Paragon MVPs #TGTBTL" in response
>19 likes on the comment
>minions chase into the jungle all the time and quite frequently chase kills
>he then later takes that quote and my post and puts captions on it
>posts it to his meme page
>check his profile
>mexican
>likes football
>constantly sharing trump hate and muslim love posts
>check his agora
>1146 silver with over 500 games
>he has a stream
>check his most recent videos
>0 views
>0 views
>0 views
>check his meme page
>16 likes
>shares shit like pic related constantly on it

jesus fucking lord i bet the reddit group is less cancer than this
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>>175611263
it wouldn't be considered a MOBA if it didn't have the "boring 3 lane setup" you fucking retard holy shit I thought people DIDNT wnat this game to become a TDM slugfest
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bampjuiceru
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>>175617652
What the fuck that picture. Also, that guy sounds retarded.
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>whole team pre-picks rev
N-not like this
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>>175623994
>figure I'll be fine, no one likes Belica any way
>two other people pick her
>I'm last to draft

help
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>>175624945
belica is the most popular mid laner currently
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>>175625198
literally never had anyone else play her before.
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>>175625198
This desu. No idea why.
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Why does Gideon's auto attack have to shake the screen?
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>>175625198
>>175626713
She seems to have done well in the PCL, so she's a meta pick monkey see monkey do
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>>175629404
Same thing with Rev which pisses me off because it can totally throw off your aim
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>>175611263
Appreciate your work on it man.
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do you ever play with someone so dumb that you have to convince yourself that they are a troll?
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>>175637672
I always get junglers that never gank, so yes.
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What's with all the Feng Mao and Riktor players recently?
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Revenant has an awesome design, yet he fucking sucks in the game
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>>175616317

Just saying when im midlaner I demand constant control of these buffs. More upkeep time more farm better life ez win

I rage when people take the buff while im low on mana nearby and they arent
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>>175640943
Countess jungled last match and bitched because someone kept taking it. "I need river buffs for sustain"
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Now people are dodging because someone is playing Belica. Haha what
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Jesus Christ, Revenant is a terrible character to play as

>reload is slow as fuck
>the worst ult in the game
>Scar is literally useless
>Obliterate is only good as high levels
>low HP so jungling is impossible
Fuck this faggot
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>>175611263
>old boring 3 lanes set up
May I suggest you go back to /r/overwatch and stay there?
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>>175643217
I had some guy say belica is bad. . . he was very bad at the game

also ran into a guy who only plays revenant mid and said gadget is bad

both in gold not that that's worth anything

I don't understand how this happens
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>>175646008
I just played Gadget for the first time ever. She hits hard.
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Almost back up to ...1200...
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>>175638101
Feng I dunno, but Riktor is a good counter to Rev since [silence] shuts down his entire kit
>>175642671
>junglers that don't know river buff is for the midlaner when they are low on mana or need to support left or right

disgusting
>>175643420
we got a new one boyos
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>wtf is ebin DOING!?!

this is a preemptive complaint because you just know patch .40 is gonna mess even more up
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>>175651882
Oh hell, I forgot its Tuesday today
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>>175651882
>>175653694
It changes nothing though, it's just bug fixes, two emotes and a skin.
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>>175653814
>no mention of the shadow slip bug in the patch notes
they just gonna leave that one in and call it a feature?
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>>175654095
Shadow Slip? Did Countess get bugged somehow?
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>>175655759
using it while in the nether realm turns revenant invisible
so you get to fight a 0v5
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>>175656865
>using it while in the nether realm turns revenant invisible
That's the very first thing I would think to test with Countess if I was in Epic's QA department. How the fuck did that one manage to slip by them?
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>>175657380
we are epic's QA department
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>>175657463
Well, that explains a lot.
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>pick kwang
>win

Ah, good ol' china dude
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FUCK, I just finished the FAQ and forgot to save it. Will try to quickly reconstruct it before we reach bump limit. Is there anything other you think I should add besides hero tags and lane setting/freezing?
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>>175659694
You should mention that river buffs restore mana, since thats really important for midlaners to build and play around.
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>>175660758
Yeah, all ready fixed that. Also the mistake I did with the Raptors, thanks for pointing that out
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>>175653814
but i mean the one that's incoming in a couple weeks
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>>175659292
I think he is Korean
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>>175650873
>a 1.25 second silence stops him from deleting you with left clicks you know like a fucking carry
I guess Riktor counters every hero in the game since he shuts down their entire kits
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@175640473
(You)
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>>175664826
It does hurt him more than most carries though since a lot of his damage comes from abilities
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Is epic going to keep this "you can't play a character you want until you've logged in as characters you don't want for twelve days" thing in the full release?
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>>175669781
Probably they will keep having to unlock heroes in some form, but I hope they'll change the specifics, the current system is fucking nonsensical
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>>175669781
It's really shit.
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>Just got a bunch of 2 point fury cards
>got bump juice
Oh boy, though I guess they nerfed the juice.
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game one
>Countess goes offlane, proceeds to feed Revenant
>Sevarog immediately goes for the "good job"
>game immediately goes to shit
>"good job good job good job good job"
game two
>my first game as Gadget
manage to stymie the Rev/ Narbash for twenty minutes, snag a kill
>Dekker pings "ultimate ready, attack mid lane"
>on my way, but she's used it already
>suggest in chat that she wait next time so we can combine ults
>immediately turns toxic
>game goes to shit
game three
>playing Sparrow
>Belica "support"
>I'm doing well, even have a blink on, but the enemy team is deathballing hard
>Belica dies twice, tries to surrender and d/c's when it doesn't go through
>team gets raped non-stop
>surrenders are voted down by the two man premade on our team
>leave and come to vent in /parag/

The best part is, the last game was against a five stack because their Gideon was silver. I think I might be done with this game desu: the damage deathball cc meta on the tiny map isn't fun.
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>enemy team picks kallari mid
>feed their ass off
>we get their trio in lobby next game
>dodge
>look up their agoras

https://agora.gg/profile/733657/scutzi128

dodged a bullet lads
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>that feel when you don't really have the cards to make full early, mid and late game sets.
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>>175571517
>Already have everything else for Sparrow
>Spend $10 to get New Sparrow skin for 800 coins
>"Oh shit score!"
>Khallari skin and Sparrow bundle on sale the next day

Guess I only have myself to blame huh?
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I keep hearing about how patch v.40 is supposed to turn the game upside down with changes what are you guys hoping for, expecting and or afraid of?
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>>175664546
>I think he is Korean

>That's the joke
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>>175690808
>I keep hearing about how patch v.40
What exactly did Epic announced for this patch that everyone is so afraid of it?
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>>175686547
Weird, I saw a couple of guys in draft that wanted to do mid Kallari and Jungle Dekker earlier.
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>>175690808
>>175691298
>I keep hearing about how patch v.40 is supposed to turn the game upside down with changes
God I fucking hope so
As for hopes and wishes:
>damage rebalanced
>armour and health not completely useless
>hero reworks
>more cards/ better changes to existing cards
>increased map size
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Will it fly, or is damage too low?
I figure that, as a carry, his natural damage scaling will mitigate the points spent in other areas.
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